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"Return to Negotiations": EU and US Appeal to Russia in MH17 Case

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"Return to Negotiations": EU and US Appeal to Russia in MH17 Case

Europe and the United States urged Russia to return to the negotiating table with Australia and the Netherlands to investigate the crash of flight MH17 in Donbas. The corresponding statement was made on October 22 during a meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council.


The EU calls on the Russian Federation to continue trilateral negotiations between Australia, the Netherlands and the Russian Federation regarding the downed flight MH17. Six years after this tragic event, 298 victims and their next of kin deserve justice. Return to negotiations.

- said in a statement.

The EU also assured that it would support efforts to establish the truth in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 2166.

Note that this is not the first call to Russia to return to negotiations on the plane crash after Russia refused to participate in the trilateral group. On October 16, the summit of the heads of state and government of the European Union called on Russia to resume consultations.

On October 15 this year, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that it would refuse further consultations in the format of a trilateral group with Australia and the Netherlands on the Malaysian Boeing MH17 case. As the Foreign Ministry explained, this decision was made after a series of unfriendly actions on the part of the Netherlands, which, without even waiting for the interim results of the work, filed a complaint against Russia with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

The Foreign Ministry called the consultations "meaningless" due to the fact that the commission in any case does not accept any arguments, making it clear that the perpetrators had been appointed long before the publication of the "preliminary results of the investigation."

In addition, back in July, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused the Netherlands of politicizing the case, stressing that from the moment the investigation began, the investigation had pre-designated Russia as guilty, looking for any confirmation of its guilt, while ignoring any arguments that contradict the Western version.
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  1. Fungus
    Fungus 23 October 2020 11: 45
    64
    Let them go to the same place with their fake investigation. Until the truth begins to look for any conversations with them.
    1. smel
      smel 23 October 2020 12: 06
      17
      Quote: Fungus
      ... Until the truth begins to look for any conversations with them.

      I agree. They have already been told that they are tired of making excuses with or without reason. Soon in general, all gay Europeans will fall out of the orbit of Russia's interests
      1. Machito
        Machito 23 October 2020 12: 38
        14
        Quote: smel
        Quote: Fungus
        ... Until the truth begins to look for any conversations with them.

        I agree. They have already been told that they are tired of making excuses with or without reason. Soon in general, all gay Europeans will fall out of the orbit of Russia's interests

        Contact the Sexual Reform League. Ostap Suleiman Berta Maria Bender Bey.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 12: 42
        +6
        Quote: smel
        Quote: Fungus
        ... Until the truth begins to look for any conversations with them.

        I agree. They have already been told that they are tired of making excuses with or without reason. Soon in general, all gay Europeans will fall out of the orbit of Russia's interests

        And the most interesting thing is that it is impossible to talk to them, because we have not reached the ground in advance, the debris has not yet reached the ground, we are to blame for everything. And not to talk - again, damn it, guilty! "We are leaving the dialogue, we do not want to establish the truth" and other, again, nonsense.

        Both are to blame ...
        And where should the peasant go? (from)
        Send everyone ON and take on the bleed? Again, thank God - we want to occupy the whole world, it turns out ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 23 October 2020 13: 23
          +8
          Quote: Zoldat_A

          Both are to blame ...
          And where should the peasant go? (from)
          Send everyone ON and take on the bleed? Again, thank God - we want to occupy the whole world, it turns out ...

          There you have already begun to boil over the fact that Russia is planning to reduce the army by 100 thousand people against the background of how they are building up their grouping near our borders. They say this is not casual and there is a threat to their safety ... On the way, they fall into paranoia there)))
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 13: 41
            +6
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            There you have already begun to boil over the fact that Russia is planning to reduce the army by 100 thousand people against the background of how they are building up their grouping near our borders. They say this is not casual and there is a threat to their safety ...

            Here I am about that.
            Gathering to reduce the army is a threat. And they would have gathered to build up - just a guard!

            One gets the impression that the West would be calm only in one case - if Russia did not exist. Absolutely.
            Only this is unlikely. Have tried already. And more than once ... And after that for some time everyone liked everything ...

            By the way, about the reduction - Siluanov thought of it himself or did Marshal Taburetkin advise him?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 23 October 2020 16: 26
              +8
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              By the way, about the reduction - Siluanov thought of it himself or did Marshal Taburetkin advise him?

              Probably I consulted with the head of the IMF Kristalina Georgieva. hi
              Our "accountants" from the economic block of the government are very sensitive to the wishes of this structure and the recommendations received from there are carried out in good faith. Last time, in May 2017, during consultations with the IMF, they were given recommendations to raise the retirement age and VAT (by 4%), which was done diligently in 2018, except that the VAT was raised by only 2% - like " "and showed" independence. " Pandemic, you know, the IMF wants to cover its costs by cutting costs by countries replenishing its egg-box. Here is the "accountant" Siluanov and "came up with" where you can pinch off and cut costs, and the fact that this goes to the detriment of the country's defense is secondary for him, because this calculator thinks in a template - "there is no war yet, but the costs are already there", while completely ignoring the truth - "who does not want to feed his army, he will feed the army of another."
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 16: 56
                12
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                this calculator thinks in a template - "there is no war yet, but there are already expenses"

                For one such thought of this "calculator" from the ministerial chair, direct fire to me at the construction site. I will accept - there is a smart job for him. Stack bricks on pallets, for example ... Or dig trenches in the thickets - where it's a pity to drive an excavator because of the roots.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 23 October 2020 17: 09
                  11
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  of this "calculator" from the ministerial chair, directing it to me at the construction site. I will accept - there is a smart job for him. Stack bricks on pallets, for example ... Or dig trenches in the thickets - where it's a pity to drive an excavator because of the roots.

                  There, with the right approach, more than one brigade of "excavators-Novostakhanovites" will be recruited. The second brigade may be headed by Gref, who stated that Russia does not need so many engineers and turners. It would be interesting to see how the capitalists Siluanov and Gref compete for the title of "hero of socialist labor" at your construction site. laughing
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 17: 25
                    10
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    It would be interesting to see how the capitalists Siluanov and Gref compete for the title of "hero of socialist labor" at your construction site.

                    I have one brigadier, Marat (you can't pronounce the name according to the passport). Tajik, from guest workers. He came back in the 90s to work, received citizenship, married a Russian, children - everything as it should be. I always send him with the brigade "for a breakthrough", and to him in the brigade for "re-education" of the irresponsible. In a week, any quitter becomes a Stakhanovite.

                    I would have sent Gref and Siluanov to him. In a week they would have become leaders (Marat has a fist the size of my head), and then the Hero of Socialist Labor is not far from there. They would have liked "career growth" ...
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 23 October 2020 17: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      I would have sent Gref and Siluanov to him. In a week they would have become leaders (Marat has a fist the size of my head), and then the Hero of Socialist Labor is not far from there. They would have liked "career growth" ...

                      It's five!!! I'll take it to the piggy bank laughing
              2. Cetron
                Cetron 23 October 2020 19: 48
                +6
                And for Siluanov which army is his own and which is foreign? Where is his home, savings, family at last? Answer this question for yourself, and everything will fall into place!
                1. your1970
                  your1970 24 October 2020 22: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Cetron
                  Where is his home, savings, family at last? Answer this question for yourself, and everything will fall into place!

                  Apparently for the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee this country was also a stranger - since their children almost without exception ended up abroad (including Alilueva) .... Yes ?? !!
                  Judging fathers by the actions of their children and vice versa is the most recent thing ... To stick a shortcut to a matter of one minute ...
                  "Children are not defendants for their fathers!"
            2. venik
              venik 23 October 2020 16: 56
              0
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              One gets the impression that the West would be calm only in one case - if Russia did not exist.

              =======
              No-no! If Russia did not exist..... "Progressive", "dermocratic" and terribly "philanthropic" "West" ..... It would have had to her (Russia) urgently invent! AND ON WHOM do you still write off all your sins ??? request
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 17: 01
                +4
                Quote: venik
                AND ON WHOM do you still write off all your sins ???

                Well ... There is Iran, North Korea ... Although, of course, the target is of the wrong scale.

                Why, they say, in the army "storekeepers-financiers" banned barley? Yes, because on rice and buckwheat because of the price you can steal much more than on a penny barley. So here ...
                1. venik
                  venik 23 October 2020 17: 27
                  0
                  Greetings Igor! hi
                  -------
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Well ... There is Iran, North Korea ... Although, of course, the target is of the wrong scale.

                  ====
                  That's just it! The "target" is too small - on Iran from the DPRK - you can't write off all your own "sins" ... Their own граждане won't believe! The scale is not the same! And Russia .... Russia is BIG! You can "push" EVERYTHING on it!
                  Well, yes and ..... Figs with them! They all go .... "forest"! Then again .... "forest" .... And .... "ravine" !!! angry
                  ------
                  drinks
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 17: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: venik
                    Figs with them! They all go .... "forest"! Then again .... "forest" .... And .... "ravine" !!!

                    There them, Vladimir! drinks
          2. Kent0001
            Kent0001 23 October 2020 14: 37
            +1
            have already sunk, and for a long time ...
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 23 October 2020 19: 25
          +2
          Super insolence and rudeness: "Go back to negotiations! We will teach you and scold you a little !!!" negative
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 23 October 2020 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: Fungus
      Until the truth begins to look for any conversations with them.

      Disclosure of US data must be a strict condition of return.
      Let them be pressured if there is a crush.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 23 October 2020 15: 12
        +2
        Disclosure of US data must be a strict condition of return.

        And also in the phrase:
        Return to negotiations.

        the OSCE forgot the magic word "you are welcome"!
        Uncommandated as at home. bully
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 23 October 2020 21: 21
      +3
      Quote: Fungus
      Let them go to the same place with their fake investigation. Until the truth begins to look for any conversations with them.

      In fact, blaming Russia for organizing the MH-17 disaster, these infallible elves give the real culprits an opportunity to evade justice. This is called harboring and aiding. No negotiations with terrorists and their accomplices!
  2. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 23 October 2020 11: 45
    +8
    It doesn't make any sense. Russia was appointed guilty by the court without a trial on the merits. What to negotiate.?
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 October 2020 11: 50
      +9
      And that the court has already been? belay
    2. lucul
      lucul 23 October 2020 12: 09
      0
      It doesn't make any sense. Russia was appointed guilty by the court without a trial on the merits. What to negotiate.?

      This whole Boeing story is just another Casus belli. No more.
    3. frruc
      frruc 23 October 2020 12: 23
      +1
      it makes no sense to negotiate with those who cannot be negotiated. go to chort.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 October 2020 11: 46
    11
    There is no need to take part in this trial. Some sort of masochism ... They started it themselves, let them get out of it.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 23 October 2020 16: 31
      +2
      Non-participation in the "event" is a reason for non-recognition of its results. bully
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 October 2020 11: 46
    +7
    Need a whipping boy? Looks like the shores are beguiled! The forest! fool
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 23 October 2020 11: 48
      +4
      They have a strange style - by negotiation they mean excuses.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 23 October 2020 11: 52
        +3
        After 45, the languages ​​in some places were in the former United Europe. United Europe 2 is already on the beaten track, that is, to nowhere ...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 23 October 2020 12: 03
          +2
          So they themselves understand that they are going the wrong way.
          But who will admit that they exist under the "new colonial order" about which Comrade Trump told them in such detail?
          hi
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 23 October 2020 12: 19
            +6
            I have the impression that Europe is going crazy, not the people of course. Although the people choose "crazy" politicians. Only insults are heard from them, but behind the scenes: Submit, on your knees and repent! Can they make them repent? Change the tone in the Mead! Maybe it's nice to hear about START 3. By the evening the US will switch to screeching on START XNUMX, now they are digesting how their nose about the table, see the Aierikan muzzle here and read the syllables about our proposals. And do not invent your own, or yes, or by the Forest.!
    2. cniza
      cniza 23 October 2020 11: 50
      +7
      No, they just need Russia, so yes, the forest.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 23 October 2020 12: 05
        +8
        Quote: cniza
        No, they just need Russia, so yes, the forest.

        And it's clear why. From Ukraine what you get hell. And Russia is rich, it can be "milked". This is the obvious next step.
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 October 2020 12: 10
          +3
          It goes without saying, but they want to humiliate Russia, make her repent ...
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 23 October 2020 12: 12
            +6
            Quote: cniza
            It goes without saying, but they want to humiliate Russia, make her repent ...

            In psychology, "forcing you to repent" is the first step in subduing a person and turning him into a slave. Therefore, you can never repent and under any circumstances. This is a technology that has been worked out by religious cults.
            1. cniza
              cniza 23 October 2020 12: 22
              +6
              That's right, so we won't have anything to do with cheaters.
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 12: 45
              +1
              Quote: Cube123
              In psychology, "forcing you to repent" is the first step in subduing a person and turning him into a slave. Therefore, you can never repent and under any circumstances. This is a technology that has been worked out by religious cults.

              It is also necessary that the GDP both recognize Katyn and “recognize” it. Let the Poles show the Germans to Goebbels personally ... And then they became insolent - and with the drunken Poles near Smolensk we also "dropped" the plane ...
            3. pipetro
              pipetro 23 October 2020 22: 00
              0
              Psychology is a pseudoscience. Stop trusting everything these charlatans say. After all, all their writings are completely unproven scientifically (with a large sample of people and with the correct experimental conditions). I also have a lot to say.
        2. Dodikson
          Dodikson 23 October 2020 12: 11
          +3
          it's not about milking, but about making Russia an empire of evil.
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 23 October 2020 12: 15
            +1
            Quote: Dodikson
            it's not about milking, but about making Russia an empire of evil.

            Two or three billion "green" is enough reason to break the comedy that we are now watching.
            1. swnvaleria
              swnvaleria 23 October 2020 12: 39
              +1
              the West deliberately stalls for time and for all its strength does not see the obvious things, it looks more like an instrument of pressure on Ukraine if it decides to move closer to the Russian Federation
  5. faterdom
    faterdom 23 October 2020 11: 47
    +5
    I don't understand why they call it "negotiations"?
    In my opinion, this is a rude and impudent hitting, as with the creaks (by the way, where are they, poor fellows, are they alive? Okay, dad is a traitor, and daughter and cat fell under the distribution in the name of what?)
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 23 October 2020 12: 08
      12
      So nothing has been heard about Navalny. The Newbie has some strange action in general. People do not die from it, but disappear. recourse
  6. cniza
    cniza 23 October 2020 11: 49
    +5
    Six years after this tragic event, 298 victims and their immediate family deserve justice


    Are you waiting for Russia to say this to us? Funny wait next, if you do not want to objectively investigate ...
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 23 October 2020 12: 41
      +1
      Why should they investigate something, if almost on the first day of the disaster they named Russia guilty, imposed sanctions, then gradually began to compose evidence. And at the same time they urge Russia to return to negotiations. What can you talk about with them? talk! wink
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 October 2020 11: 52
    +2
    Europe and the United States urged Russia to return to the negotiating table with the participation of Australia and the Netherlands
    The message is that we may forgive you, but the main thing is to admit that it was you who shot down.
    Six years after this tragic event, 298 victims and their immediate family deserve justice
    Seriously? And why Holland with "helpers" for 6 years pulled the cat by the tail, trying to pull the far-fetched ears to the tragedy? Russia endured for 6 years, citing facts, the results of control attacks on the model of the aircraft, indicating who is the owner of the rocket, which they allegedly found, exposing outright fakes and ...? Patience ran out and you were directly told that we no longer want to have anything to do with you.
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 23 October 2020 11: 55
    +3
    Send them to hell. Sergey Lavrov's phrase fits here like never before.
  9. deniso
    deniso 23 October 2020 11: 59
    +9
    “Who is howling in the swamps, Barimore? - It is the EU calling for a return, sir laughing
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 25 October 2020 13: 56
      +1
      Best comment! good
  10. deniso
    deniso 23 October 2020 12: 00
    +3
    Close all contacts with them, they still accuse Russia of the tragedy.
  11. Ulysses
    Ulysses 23 October 2020 12: 01
    +4
    First, let them demonstrate a willingness to listen and draw appropriate conclusions from what they hear.
  12. Mouse
    Mouse 23 October 2020 12: 08
    +5
    Negotiations mean the conclusions and opinions of the two parties, if our conclusions do not hear and do not want to hear the bullshit, should we do there?
    And the states, yes ... they are all so clean, they earn a cheap population for themselves ...
  13. askort154
    askort154 23 October 2020 12: 09
    +8
    The Anglo-Saxons, in their information war strategy, set a task for their vassals - not a single day, without mentioning Russia in a negative color: Crimea, Donbass, MH-17, Syria, "Japanese Islands", history of the Second World War, Litvinenko, Skripal, interference in elections, the Arctic , SP-2, Navalny ... and so on in a circle, repeating one after another, at intervals. The world must firmly understand that the most aggressive country on Earth is Russia. And the reason for their behavior is the same - they cannot come to terms with the fact that there is a state on Earth that can destroy the United States.
  14. bzbo
    bzbo 23 October 2020 12: 18
    -13 qualifying.
    The main witnesses are waiting in the wings and live in Russia
    The corpses of passengers are stored in Russia
    Black boxes part in Russia
    The main elements of the aircraft with numbers and damage in Russia
    Satellite fixation in Russia
    and the most important thing
    The eggs of those who made all this porridge are also stored in Russia
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 October 2020 12: 24
      +8
      Share where you got this information and how reliable it is.
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 23 October 2020 12: 26
      +4
      Quote: bzbo
      The main witnesses are waiting in the wings and live in Russia
      The corpses of passengers are stored in Russia
      Black boxes part in Russia
      The main elements of the aircraft with numbers and damage in Russia
      Satellite fixation in Russia
      and the most important thing
      The eggs of those who made all this porridge are also stored in Russia

      If everything were so, the impact on the Boeing would have ended long ago ...
      1. bzbo
        bzbo 16 November 2020 07: 47
        0
        Why finish something that allows you to hold by the balls
    3. dragy52rus
      dragy52rus 23 October 2020 12: 57
      +1
      what a stormy fantasy you have.
    4. Hagen
      Hagen 23 October 2020 13: 30
      0
      Quote: bzbo
      The eggs of those who made all this porridge are also stored in Russia

      Could it be more detailed about the owners of these eggs? I would like, at least approximately, to see the grounds for such statements. Not from British intelligence ...
  15. times
    times 23 October 2020 12: 30
    21
    One of those cases when I agree with the position of our Foreign Ministry - in the absence of a constructive dialogue, there is no point in continuing it.
  16. Sly
    Sly 23 October 2020 12: 37
    +4
    Quote: bzbo
    The main witnesses are waiting in the wings and live in Russia
    The corpses of passengers are stored in Russia
    Black boxes part in Russia
    The main elements of the aircraft with numbers and damage in Russia
    Satellite fixation in Russia
    and the most important thing
    The eggs of those who made all this porridge are also stored in Russia

    Boo-ha-ha, have you read the censor or something? ))))
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 23 October 2020 12: 38
    +2
    Initially, it was necessary to conduct the case only on condition that the West did not violate the rules of the investigation. The violation began not yesterday, but from the first hours. Ukraine refused to investigate the accident and shook its head for three days until the entire investigation was handed over to the Netherlands, which is already nonsense ! And then the more and the further we agreed, the more guilt hung over us! In fact, it was necessary to immediately join the investigation team or send this gang .............
    1. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 23 October 2020 12: 42
      0
      Have you been invited to join the investigation team?
      You can send, but then the whole country will be declared a sponsor of terrorism and that's all ..
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 October 2020 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: Mishanya74_2
        Have you been invited to join the investigation team?

        The point is that they were not invited, but this had to be strenuously pursued, since the accusation sounded from the first seconds. And then our policy in the first days, how would it all happen in Ukraine and it does not concern us, but affected!
        Quote: Mishanya74_2
        You can send, but then the whole country will be declared a sponsor of terrorism and that's all ..

        And so we will not be declared sponsors of terrorism? Not only that we are also recognized by the court (HRC) responsible for this act of terrorism, even if the investigation comes to the opposite conclusion !!!
        1. Mishanya74_2
          Mishanya74_2 23 October 2020 13: 09
          +1
          It is unlikely ... they will call it a tragic accident, they will declare the guilty, they will be obliged to pay compensation ...
          They also do not want to spoil their relations with us at all ... Therefore, they offer to cooperate ..
        2. Mishanya74_2
          Mishanya74_2 23 October 2020 13: 10
          0
          The investigation will no longer come to the opposite result .. The names have been named .. The only question is whether the higher names will be named .. Accordingly, the consequences will be different
      2. your1970
        your1970 24 October 2020 23: 27
        0
        Quote: Mishanya74_2
        You can send, but then the whole country will be declared a sponsor of terrorism and that's all ..

        And?
        Germany will leave the EU and NATO in half an hour after that .... They will have to pay money for gas, and to do it to the country of terrorists' accomplices, they will pay ...
        After that, everyone will run from there ... Poland will run ahead, which perfectly understands, that if we are friends with Germany, then it is better to be friends with us first
        Well, the dollar will become kind of unavailable to us, like their bonds lol who will suffer from this? We of course ... The suffering of the United States does not count lol
  18. kit88
    kit88 23 October 2020 12: 46
    +9
    Why only at the "negotiation" table?
    Let's immediately sign that Boeing - we, Navalny - personally Himself, Kennedy - of course we are, but I just don't know about the chapel in the 14th century to write?
    laughing
    In short, the forest guys, l-e-s-o-m.
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 October 2020 13: 08
    -1
    And what the hell is Australia doing there, and let the striped ones give out pictures from their satellites and radio intercepts. In the meantime, there are uneducated fezeushniki conducting analysis, we have nothing to do there.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 24 October 2020 17: 14
      0
      What the hell is Australia doing there

      Many Australians were killed on the plane.
      And what does Russia have to do with it is not clear. Someone is fighting with someone, and Russia should answer?
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 23 October 2020 13: 16
    -2
    Six years have passed and zero sense is probably in the opinion of the West relatives do not deserve any justice.
  21. Hagen
    Hagen 23 October 2020 13: 24
    +1
    Europe and the United States urged Russia to return to the negotiating table with Australia and the Netherlands to investigate the crash of flight MH17 in Donbas.

    Usually, the return is more expensive than simply participating in the consultation. I remember that at the very beginning of the investigation, Russia sent to the investigation team a list of its questions, the answers to which should be heard in the materials of the investigation. I think that until the answers to these questions appear, as well as a detailed consideration of the materials transferred to the investigation in the future, there is no point in participating in this clownery. And the participation itself should be with full access to the case materials, with the participation of our experts in the assessment of the material and digital artifacts presented. At the same time, the right of Ukraine to secret the case materials should be canceled. I doubt that the EU + US + Ukraine will agree to these conditions.
    in the EU assured that they will support the efforts to establish the truth

    These words are cheaper today than the paper on which they are written.
  22. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 October 2020 13: 29
    0
    What is the point of participating in this booth if the culprit was named on the first day?))))
  23. iouris
    iouris 23 October 2020 13: 51
    -1
    Essno, since we went to work ... And there was no need to bend.
  24. rotfuks
    rotfuks 23 October 2020 14: 17
    +3
    Investigation into the crash of flight MH17 is still under way in the investigation of the crash over Lochbury, Scotland. Then Libya and the leader of Gaddafi were accused of the explosion. The conclusions about the guilt of Libya were made on the basis of the fact that among the wreckage of the liner a tiny piece of plastic the size of a SIM card from a phone was found. Allegedly, this is a piece of plastic from a mine detonator purchased earlier by Libya. There are a lot of former military men in the discussion here and everyone knows about the temperatures in the center of the explosion. How did a tiny piece of plastic survive at these temperatures? But then the world community accepted the version of Gaddafia's guilt, he even paid all the victims a million dollars in compensation. But this did not save Gaddafi and his country from being torn apart.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 October 2020 17: 12
      0
      Quote: rotfuks
      this did not save Gaddafi and his country from being torn apart.

      Did this teach anyone? Well, at least Dmitry Anatolyevich?
  25. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 23 October 2020 14: 21
    0
    There were negotiations? belay
  26. Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 23 October 2020 14: 23
    +3
    It is better not to play cards with a sharpie, you have to hit him on the head with a candelabrum.
  27. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 23 October 2020 14: 29
    0
    In the case of the plane shot down by the outskirts of the army over the territory of the outskirts, they call on Russia for negotiations, there is no causal relationship.
  28. Kelwin
    Kelwin 23 October 2020 14: 58
    +2
    On the good, it is necessary to answer not just with a refusal, but also to impose sanctions against the participants in this clownery. Sooner or later, this situation will soon lead to an exchange of sanctions, why not start now.
  29. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 October 2020 16: 12
    +1
    Negotiations on the EU and the US: Russia admit you shot down. Russia: we didn't shoot down. And you admit it anyway.
  30. fif21
    fif21 23 October 2020 16: 12
    0
    Everything is said and shown. Go gentlemen on a distant erotic voyage. hi
  31. Shadow041
    Shadow041 23 October 2020 18: 02
    +2
    There is nothing for Russia to talk to you about. The case is out of thin air, Russia has already been assigned to the accused. The point is for us to participate in this Russophobic farce ?!
  32. Gordei
    Gordei 23 October 2020 19: 58
    +5
    Europe and the United States urged Russia to return to the negotiating table with the participation of Australia and the Netherlands

    And Australia has something to do with it? wassat
    It had long been necessary to send them all and leave the commission .. Let them whine! And let them interrogate their vassal Potroshenko with partiality and Biden with his son a swindler .. There ears stick out !!!! And Russia washes its hands and shows you ..
    After this monstrous provocation, Russia was accused and the sanctions immediately went to the full US, EU and, in parallel, the plundering of the Ukrainian industry (which remained after the collapse of the USSR) and knocking out ties with Russia and, worst of all, they tied the blood of many recruits in Ukraine by participating in the ATO under machine guns Bandera National Battalions scum ..
    EVERYTHING, then it went like clockwork with dumplings ..
    They chose Zelensky the clown, they hoped that Putin would communicate with him and negotiate ha ha ha negative
    And the whole world will be like watching in a circus .. Here is figs you gentlemen! Clowns are you and your British scientists who are trying to prove something to Russia and the Russians ha
  33. King3214
    King3214 23 October 2020 21: 21
    -1
    They shot down themselves, they themselves are investigating and they themselves also drag Russia into this case.
    There is no limit to the vile hypocrisy of the Euroheans.
  34. Vlad_S
    Vlad_S 24 October 2020 00: 51
    +1
    After the West refused to even consider the version with the Spanish dispatcher Carlos, everything became clear with them - this is a trial and we were appointed guilty
  35. anjey
    anjey 24 October 2020 04: 08
    +1
    And Krajina, as always, has nothing to do with, their houses are on the edge, that's just over whose territory and in whose airspace was this plane ??? This is who is primarily responsible, even starting from the fact that it did not close the airspace and did not redirect the board, and if it also knocked it down, this Krajina is to blame for the tonsils. The idiocy of the West and their stubborn and stubborn Lie is already beyond reason.
  36. Gray-haired Zinnik
    Gray-haired Zinnik 24 October 2020 06: 15
    0
    Come back and repent, yeah. Old song.
  37. Suslin
    Suslin 24 October 2020 08: 31
    0
    I consider it necessary for the Russian representatives to the OSCE and the Council of Europe to document inquire in what status the representatives of Russia will act in this process. As the prosecution or as witnesses? Only upon receipt of documents confirming the status of a witness, you can continue cooperation.
  38. varakin_54
    varakin_54 24 October 2020 12: 12
    0
    Negotiation or investigation. There is nothing to negotiate about.
  39. Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 24 October 2020 12: 50
    -1
    Show the way to these gentlemen ... you can add a pendel to the road ...
  40. xomaNN
    xomaNN 24 October 2020 14: 46
    0
    Expressing over the hair dryer "Zapadlo sits at the same table with those cheaters" ...

    Russia is seen there only as a wordless whipping boy wassat
  41. Cynic
    Cynic 24 October 2020 15: 34
    0
    Honestly: I'm tired! There are international agreements: Who, where and how carries out such investigations!
    In the muddy water of the reports-revelations of public investigators, the results of the actions of the IAC / ICAO are not visible ... and were there any?
  42. nnz226
    nnz226 24 October 2020 17: 55
    0
    Don't care about the calls! Until they ask for an apology for the impudence and give legal promises in the objectivity of the investigation - ignore in every possible way!
  43. Sergey Kiforenko
    Sergey Kiforenko 24 October 2020 19: 24
    0
    Time has passed, and with it the witnesses.
  44. meandr51
    meandr51 24 October 2020 19: 56
    0
    What does the Netherlands have to do with it? And what kind of country is this compared to Russia? They all smoked there ...
    It is best to forget about them and do your own thing, not paying attention to the tying of small mongrels.
  45. Vakhnakov
    Vakhnakov 24 October 2020 22: 55
    0
    The West itself organized and Ukraine carried out the plane crash of Flight MH17 to designate Russia as the culprit. We decided that the time had come to deal with Russia by military means. Did not work out. And now they want to put the blame on Russia in any way, pulling it into discussion in the direction they need. So gentlemen, Western go there deeper and do not bother Russia.
  46. certero
    certero 24 October 2020 23: 04
    0
    I think that on other issues Russia needs to respond in the same way. it's just worth negotiating with those who are ready to negotiate. not the USA not Europe with Russia do not want to negotiate
  47. rocket757
    rocket757 25 October 2020 12: 08
    0
    And what, it is not enough for ours with foreign countries to have the same useless, harmful sites of "communication", "consultation" and other toxic? A whole list can be made.