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Who threw Yanukovych: expert opinion after the signing of the law on language policy

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We did not have time to dry the ink on the law On the Basics of the State Language Policy, signed by President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych, as this step provoked a real storm of radical, even mutually exclusive, comments. At both sides. In particular, the participant of the meeting with the intelligentsia held on the eve (a format that sends greetings to the Soviet nomenklatura past) writer and people's deputy Pavel Movchan (“Reforms for the Future”) called Viktor Yanukovych’s actions “real gadgetry” and made it clear that the guarantor was “ threw "all who, having arrived in Foros, believed him. On the other hand, adherents of granting second-state status to the Russian language in Ukraine (and there are many such in the ranks of the Party of Regions) say that the President of Ukraine has not yet fulfilled the promises made in this sphere during the presidential election, and the signed law has nothing to do with them It has. In the context of current events around the “language theme”, the question arises - who in reality was the president “threw”?

Vasily Stoyakin, political scientist, Center for Political Marketing:
The president threw everyone without exception. People who advised this decision to him, see in him the highest state wisdom - to throw a bone with this and that so that they and others should be pleased. In fact, this is the highest state nonsense, because, firstly, “how many wolves do not feed, it still looks into the forest,” and secondly, there is no sense to “satisfy absolutely everyone” and cannot be.

This situation - frankly idiotic. After all, if you look at the so-called “linguistic situation” in the country from any point of view - as from public opinion, protection of the rights of citizens, European practice - there is no other option than to fulfill your election promises, the president actually does not have. This will satisfy the absolute majority of citizens of the country, but will leave the order of 15% unhappy somewhere. After all, really - to adopt a law that would suit everyone, is impossible. And in such an ideological issue as here, you just need to focus on the opinion of the majority, taking into account the interests of the minority.

Vladimir Fesenko, Penta political analysis center:
The head of state did not “throw” anyone. Everyone has his own motivation in such a harsh assessment of the presidential decision. At a meeting with the intelligentsia, perhaps everyone heard what he wanted to hear. I believe that Viktor Yanukovych, signing this law, acted on the basis of two The first is the fulfillment of their own election promises. Indeed, in the Party of Regions program there is a thesis about granting Russian the status of a second state language, but the president has repeatedly said about a more realistic option: that is, he fulfilled his promises to the voters who voted for him in 2010. Secondly, he helps his own party, for which the “language theme” is one of the main elections. sign this law because it is in the interests of both its voters and its party.

Viktor Yanukovych feels and understands to another extent how the country's leader, that this law is not entirely in favor of state interests and in accordance with his own interests as president of the country. Because you do not need a split of society, the growth of political and social tension. And that is why Yanukovych had to compensate, somehow neutralize the negative consequences of putting this law into action. This is a double format of the president’s interests. He signed, but also demonstrated that he listens to critical comments, in particular, the meeting with the intelligentsia was aimed at this, taking care of the interests of the development of the Ukrainian language. Therefore, statements were made that they would: develop a state program for the development of the Ukrainian language, prepare legislative proposals for the improvement of the signed law.

The president, I repeat, did not have the task of “throwing” anyone. I also note that there is no need to primitize Yanukovych, and other Ukrainian politicians. Here I am now observing the assessments regarding the parallel congress of deputies from the Batkivshchyna All-Ukrainian Public Organization, where Tymoshenko is being presented as a fool. But this is far from the case!

Once again, in such a delicate matter as language, you need to look for a systemic and flexible compromise, and not focus strictly on the majority. We cannot ignore the fact that we have at least a third, according to the census, Russian-speaking citizens. To say that everything is fine here and there are no problems is not worth it. Formally and in reality, there are no big problems for Russian speakers in Ukraine. But the fact that a significant part of them reacts to a language issue in a political sense and the Party of Regions uses this issue in its electoral rhetoric and it works, indicates that the problem exists. You can not close her eyes.

Another issue is that the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law is in its essence the law on state guarantees for the languages ​​of national minorities, and not the law on the fundamentals of the state language policy. And therefore I am committed to the fact that we need to develop a new balanced law that, on the one hand, would provide guarantees and a material basis for the development of the Ukrainian language as the state language, and on the other, could satisfy the linguistic, ethnocultural rights and needs of national minorities. And it is necessary that this law was prepared not by politicians, but by experts, and so that it was depoliticized to the maximum.

Victor Nebozhenko, political scientist, sociological service “Ukrainian Barometer”:
Yanukovych "threw", first of all, his comrades. Because in fact, now we have the PARLIAMENTARY election campaign, not the presidential one. Therefore, it’s not all Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who loses the status of a stabilizer and guardian in this way, but specific candidates for people's deputies who will make a pass to the Verkhovna Rada for themselves on the signed law. Not more!

Although the law itself needs very serious improvement, and the president himself, I think, understands this very well. But still, the electoral technology and the electoral situation outweighed the need for a wise decision. I will add that this law will not be enforced. If the president speaks Ukrainian and all documentation is conducted in Ukrainian, how do you imagine its implementation? Now, if tomorrow the presidential administration and Yanukovych himself will switch to Russian, then the entire Ukrainian bureaucracy will understand: “Yes, the law must be implemented”. And since this will not happen, then there is no doubt that no one will encourage sociocultural autonomy of either the Russian language, or Hungarian, or Polish, or Romanian, or Tatar, as representatives of other nationalities living in Ukraine expect.

It is clear that the president here has gone on about the political strategists of the Party of Regions, who believe that thanks to this law the electoral superiority of the “regionals” will be restored. Although, in my opinion, this is not true. The signed Law will not have any serous influence on the election campaign.

Alexey Garan, political scientist, school of political analyst, NAUKMA
If we evaluate the decision of the president from such positions, then, probably, it is worth saying that having signed this law, he “threw” Ukraine and, paradoxically, himself. Because in reality from this all stories The state as a whole and the position of the president, including in foreign policy negotiations with Russia, have become weakened. It should be understood that as a result the country has polarized. Instead of acting as president of the whole of Ukraine and seeking reasonable compromises, he made an attempt to obtain additional votes in the East and South of the country.

The problem is that such issues, firstly, are not resolved on the eve of the elections, secondly, they are not done by the hands of such deputies (odious even among the Party of Regions) like Kolesnichenko and Kivalov, and thirdly, which is extremely important, the law was adopted in the Verkhovna Rada with numerous violations of parliamentary procedure. That is, it could not sign, even from a formal point of view. A smart compromise would be to make the necessary changes and adopt a new, improved law. And so it all looked like some kind of not very decent maneuver, election game, which weakens the position of the country.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 13 August 2012 08: 36
    +3
    It’s time for some to understand that you can’t sit on two chairs. And the language issue will be resolved sooner or later in favor of the majority. It's time to go ashore, but stupidity does not.
    1. spender
      spender 13 August 2012 09: 04
      +4
      Actually, you will not envy Yanukovych, the country's population is divided into two camps and opposed to the Law on the second state language - Russian. Time is lost, but further tactics of "sticking their heads in the sand" will further exacerbate the situation. 15% of the population is a great force, moreover, it should be borne in mind that these 15% are more united and politically active (most are always inertial). I don't know, it seems reasonable to me to lower the resolution of the situation to the regional (local) level. This would "smooth out" the situation hi IMHO
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 August 2012 10: 20
        +4
        Tranzhira, glad to see you in good health, unless of course nothing has changed since then. let me disagree about the local level.
        not quite the right decision. Crimea will speak in Tatar and Russian, and this will be the impetus for the autonomy of the Tatars in Crimea as the next step. They are already pumping. And the lobby is powerful there.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 10: 26
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          You are in good health, unless of course nothing has changed

          Hi Sanya, even as it has changed, look at his comments and you will see laughing
          Quote: vorobey
          and this will be the impetus for the autonomy of the Tatars in the Crimea as the next step.

          And how many Tatars there are compared to the Russians, a very small percentage, the only loot flows from the same Turkey to support. Hence all the fuss. The authorities in Kiev are not up to them with elections on the nose.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 13 August 2012 10: 57
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: vorobey
            You are in good health, unless of course nothing has changed

            Hi Sanya, even as it has changed, look at his comments and you will see


            Sanya read, I look at him after a shovel on the ridge only posture became slimmer, but his appetite did not diminish.
            1. spender
              spender 13 August 2012 11: 47
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              I look at him after a shovel along the ridge, only the posture has become slimmer, but my appetite has not diminished.

              Sanya, hello! Well, life's difficulties only temper normal people, they "break" weaklings. I have a hardening from the Soviet Army, you can break me laughing I propose to make the shovel the property of the site and use instead of bans
              - one hit with a shovel on the ridge
              - three hits with a shovel on the ridge
              .....
              - instillation forever laughing
              You have to pay rent for renting an instrument drinks
              Threat Romanova in performers laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 11: 52
                +1
                Quote: spender
                Threat Romanova in performers

                Hi Alexey, I'm afraid I will be the first to get on this ridge on this ridge crying and why, as far as a shovel is concerned, I am always the first in line, eh.
                1. spender
                  spender 13 August 2012 11: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I'm afraid I will be the first to get on this ridge on this ridge

                  I’ll probably be the second, and you think what would I put forward my person as a performer? Business trips to Moscow with gatherings, to Israel with lodges on the shore ... We will receive penalties, and you will lead a traveling life with receiving business trips + salary + huckster laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 12: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: spender
                    to Israel with lodges on the shore ...

                    I'm afraid after visiting Israel, I will get a life sentence. Israel is canceled, there is Esther and she will be happy to break a dozen shovels on my ridge negative
                    1. spender
                      spender 13 August 2012 12: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Esther is there and she’s very happy to break a dozen shovels on my ridge

                      It is in vain that you think so "primitively" of her, I would rather believe that she, with her delicate mental organization, will whip you with a bouquet of roses so that you will not be able to sleep for a month ... laughing
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 12: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: spender
                        with a bouquet of roses it’ll spoil you so that you can’t sleep for a month ...

                        Alexey, believe me, there will be no bouquets, but the beadball is more than likely, the nature is delicate, but severe. I feel the hour of reckoning is near negative
                      2. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 13: 21
                        +1
                        spender,
                        Brooms are canceled. Now Romanov will turn 23, I will give a short barrel for his birthday. News is not a topic, but also interesting. Acquisition and storage of a short barrel can be legalized

                        August 9 2012
                        A bill has been submitted to the State Duma that allows citizens who have reached 23 years of age to purchase and store self-defense fire-rifled short-barreled weapons. We are talking about weapons with muzzle energy not exceeding 300 J.

                        We would like to remind that currently, on the basis of Art. 3, 6 and 13 of the Federal Law of December 13, 1996 No. 150-FZ "On Weapons", citizens do not have the right to acquire and store such weapons for the specified purposes.

                        As follows from the explanatory note to the bill, the main reason for its development is the difficulty of using smooth-bore long-barreled weapons, which is currently authorized for self-defense. Due to the special storage rules and dimensions, bringing it into combat condition takes time, and this reduces the ability to quickly respond to a threat.

                        In this regard, the authors of the bill suggest allowing the purchase and storage of short-barreled rifled firearms, but at the same time establish a ban on their free carrying (taking into account the fact that weapons, in accordance with the requirements of current legislation, should be stored in the place of residence of a citizen).

                        According to the developers of the document, these measures guarantee citizens the opportunity to fully realize their right to self-defense in the event of illegal entry into their home and encroachment on their lives.

                        The bill was published on the website of the State Duma for general review under the number 123846-6. Its full name: draft federal law "On Amendments to the Federal Law" On Weapons ".

                        Share:
                        Source: IA "GARANT"
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 13: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        So Romanov 23 will be fulfilled,

                        How old, how old am I? belay
                      4. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        How old, how old am I?

                        Sanya, what are you doing? fool Dance from the fact that she is 18, so how old are you? laughing It’s strange that Esther decided not to give you a present for her 20th birthday (the fact that the birthday present was more expensive made you 23 years old for the anniversary) laughing
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 13: 41
                        +4
                        Alexei, I saw the photo in the top comment, the gift will be just that, give and shoot. What in the present mrent very much dreams. So dance, in honor of their own funeral, hi
                      6. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , the gift will be just that, give and shoot. What in the present mrent very much dreams. So to dance, in honor of their own funeral,

                        Contemporary remake of "See Israel and Die" laughing Sanya, buy me a Kevlar body armor, sell it inexpensively, buy a spade from Voroby, cover your face and eggs (in the direction of the trunk you will understand what is more relevant) and Good luck Sanya, the site will not survive the loss of half of yourself laughing
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 13 August 2012 11: 56
                +3
                Quote: spender
                Threat Romanova in performers


                Oh I am. Romanof ekzucien nyurlikh, das izgut.

                Quote: spender
                I propose to make the shovel the property of the site and use instead of bans
                - one hit with a shovel on the ridge
                - three hits with a shovel on the ridge
                .....
                - instillation forever


                This is an idea. Moreover, shovels should be hung next to the avatar, like stars for a downed one and painted in a different color. A society without the color differentiation of pants is not a society.
                1. spender
                  spender 13 August 2012 11: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  This is an idea. Moreover, shovels should be hung next to the avatar, like stars for a downed one and painted in a different color. A society without the color differentiation of pants is not a society.

                  Well, go creative wink It remains only to lobby for the adoption of the amendments at the top ... The rent of a shovel and travel expenses can be paid by the person undergoing the "correction" (according to the Chinese model) laughing
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 13 August 2012 12: 12
                    +2
                    A paragraph, and if I do it myself. Myself, with your own shovel. how is that widow?
                    Is Romanov also pleased to deliver? He will walk from the heart, he will also sing at the same time.
                    1. spender
                      spender 13 August 2012 12: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: vorobey
                      A paragraph, and if I do it myself. Myself, with your own shovel. how is that widow?
                      Is Romanov also pleased to deliver? He will walk from the heart, he will also sing at the same time.

                      Everything will depend on the "ransom" offered by you, then that this comerice will establish a tax, do not even doubt ... laughing Do not converge in price, not only will he sing like that, and he will begin to dance with pleasure wassat
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 12: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: vorobey
                      He will walk from the heart, he will also sing at the same time.

                      Well, it remains only to agree with Smirnov, but then he will ask for the percentage of difficulties, you will pay for the services of the site. And then you can and for working with the song. Along the ridge, I’ll go through, but shovel-I’ll go through from the heart ........ wrinkled ribs am
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 12: 23
                        +2
                        Not in the subject, but for some reason it occurred to me about pears and fool around.
                      2. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 13: 08
                        +1
                        vorobey,
                        Not in the subject, but for some reason it occurred to me about pears and fool around.

                        A healthy mind, you can put the pear on the drink, and then some mead tried to drink the floor of the site. I will not point a finger at them who laughing
                      3. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 13: 12
                        +2
                        Esther Hello. Daya read opuses for the glory of the mead.
                      4. Armata
                        Armata 13 August 2012 13: 18
                        +2
                        Hi Esther. There was moonshine, I do not remember mead.
                        Quote: Odessa
                        and then some mead tried to drink the floor of the site.
                      5. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 13: 28
                        +2
                        Locomotive,
                        There was moonshine, I do not remember mead.

                        This is a cat, came after a bath (i.e. a ban) with a box of mead, but I wasn’t there, I didn’t drink honey beer laughing
                      6. Armata
                        Armata 13 August 2012 13: 32
                        +3
                        I can’t calmly look at his profile picture. all the time it seems that he will soon be torn from such a pace of devouring. laughing
                      7. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: Steam Train
                        all the time it seems that he will soon be torn from such a pace of devouring.

                        Do not wait, there the process is going on, the toilet below did not enter the profile picture laughing
                      8. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        This is a cat, came after a bath (i.e. a ban) with a box of mead

                        Shah, woman, do not confuse the concept of not with a box but with 4 drawers laughing
                        Quote: Odessa
                        but I wasn’t there, I didn’t drink beer beer

                        We don’t accept fresh boiled pork chops that you buy in the nearest village, we don’t accept boars killed by Druzes and eaten by jackals laughing
                      9. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 13: 38
                        +4
                        exel moxel. Kotyara is already broadcasting from the states.
                      10. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Kotyara is already broadcasting from the states.

                        The toilet was hot, the nearest one in the Oval Office turned out to be, the prices really bite, I wanted to slip through a freebie, but the owner tapped a spade along the ridge, I had to shell out laughing
                      11. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 13: 50
                        +3


                        Kotyara is back.
                      12. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 14: 03
                        +2
                        vorobey,
                        Kotyara is back.

                        You can see right away that you love the cat, since such a video was timed laughing
                      13. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 14: 06
                        +3
                        I love everyone. And this is our caring and faithful Sasha Romanov
                        And a steam locomotive communicates with a cat in a neighboring branch about Pak Fa.
                      14. Armata
                        Armata 13 August 2012 14: 24
                        +2
                        Good you Sanya and cartoons are the same. good
                      15. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 14: 28
                        +2
                        did you see yourself in the topic about t50? there you argue with the cat. and this is Esther and Tranzhira.
                      16. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 14: 44
                        +2
                        vorobey,
                        This is Esther and Spender

                        And Romanov with a butterfly net in the video, and you Sparrow, in the bushes with a shovel, did not get into the frame laughing
                      17. Armata
                        Armata 13 August 2012 15: 30
                        +2
                        I saw that cartoon too. Only on a hedgehog I look a little shaved laughing
                      18. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 15: 36
                        +4
                        Oh thank you, I won’t forget. I will bring a cat and I will train on voby, urgently need to reduce the population of the golden billion.
                      19. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 15: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        urgently need to reduce the population of the golden billion.

                        If from the eastern Kamasutroseklualnoy perverted cult to remake "golden rain" into "golden hail", then if I were you, I would not go out of the house to the street, the sparrows are not vindictive, they have a good memory ... laughing
                        I can sell a raincoat inexpensively, it will save your clothes from revenge, there is no cover for a car, save your cars with improvised means laughing
                      20. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 15: 51
                        +4
                        Quote: spender
                        I can sell an inexpensive raincoat, it will save your clothes from revenge

                        do you want to leave a spender, a best guy with no money? Ask a steam locomotive for useful locomotion.
                        When we catch up with him fraternally, he has either a bonus or a salary.
                      21. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 16: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        When we catch up with him fraternally, he has either a bonus or a salary.

                        Considering
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Ask a steam locomotive for useful locomotion.

                        You're on the hook and on yourself ... laughing
                        No offense drinks Himself framed lol
                      22. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: spender
                        Himself framed

                        What insults, the word is not a sparrow.
                      23. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 15: 52
                        +4
                        Alexander Romanov,
                        Sanka, more careful with sparrows, especially with those on the site here laughing
                      24. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 15: 57
                        +2
                        Well, come on, come on, I'll change the avatar now and then we'll look at Romanovskaya's silushka, everyone will taste "gingerbread and feces angry whose"
                      25. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 16: 01
                        +4
                        Alexander Romanov,
                        Well, come on, come on, I’ll change the avatar for seichas and then we’ll look at the Silovka Romanov’s,

                        Romanov, the sun, not in the avatar of power!
                      26. bachast
                        bachast 13 August 2012 16: 42
                        +3
                        power is not in the avatar!
                      27. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 13
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, come on, come on, I'll change the avatar now and then we'll look at Romanovskaya's silushka, everyone will taste "gingerbread and whose feces"


                        Just do not put this
                      28. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 13
                        +4
                        Enough is enough, otherwise we’ll agree that children will be scared by sparrows love
                      29. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 16: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        enough, otherwise we’ll agree that children will be scared by sparrows

                        I have already made a firm decision for myself if I’ll be born the next one I will teach to the pot using pictures of a sparrow, only until I decided how to go outside for a walk laughing
                        Okay, I'll limit myself to the threat: "If you are naughty, the sparrow will fly." winked
                        Shl Right now, the formidable Banshee will run into us and take off all the birds and the skin-bearing ones and "Smile and wave" and the fruits of Ouspensky's drunken visions ... laughing
                        If anything, blame me: "the cat has 9 lives, and I am actively living my third drinks
                      30. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 14: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        You can see right away that you love a cat

                        Sha girl wink We have a partnership, and we leave the love to you and the 23-year-old Romanov laughing
                        And we, as it turned out, "old soldiers and do not know the words of love ..." Upbringing and age approximately coincide, so we have a "fellowship of the red-headed and the feathered billion." drinks
                      31. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 14: 36
                        +3
                        Alexei, do you have a flag of the republic of Mozambique? Put it, I want to see how it looks. laughing
                      32. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 14: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Do you have the flag of the republic of mozambique? Put it, I want to see how it looks.

                        Admire

                        One of the many state flags on which AK is depicted
                      33. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 15: 03
                        +5
                        In the topic of the Russian language.
                        there is no holier partnership. (Taras Bulba)
                      34. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 15: 07
                        +3
                        vorobey, well, I’ve drunk mead, why the fuck I’m putting it out, tell the people how you 5 km to my house on a hump laughing
                      35. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 15: 13
                        +3
                        spender,
                        Well, he cut mead, why the compru lay out, still tell the people, how are you 5 km to the house on the hump

                        Yes, well, with whom it does not happen, we believe! laughing
                      36. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 15: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Yes, well, with whom it does not happen, we believe!

                        Esther, immediately change the photo, I won’t allow Ala Zvereva to be myself !!! angry
                        Fuuu, what a glamorous muck ... negative
                      37. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 15: 23
                        +3
                        spender,
                        change photo immediately

                        Is this better? Now have a bite to eat, and again for the pen, write comments! laughing
                        It is necessary to click on it, stir!
                      38. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 15: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Is this better? Now have a bite to eat, and again for the pen, write comments!
                        It is necessary to click on it, stir!

                        From this class !!! drinks
                        You just don’t need to press, otherwise it moves so that it looks more like masturbation feel
                        I make other movements laughing
                      39. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 15: 42
                        +3
                        Burned to the fullest laughing laughing laughing
                      40. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: spender
                        You just don’t need to press, otherwise it moves so that it looks more like masturbation
                        I make other movements


                        Head to sausage? no offense, he framed himself drinks
                      41. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 17: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Head to sausage?

                        From a table with a glass to your mouth laughing Today, the eldest daughter came to see the old man moonshine from the Motherland (Saratov region. Brought), the mead is temporarily forgotten, but she converges with the guy I think I will have to give the house, although it has settled down, but where to get my own blood ... Again, it’s obvious that the new one will return look for a house recourse
                      42. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 17: 07
                        +3
                        If you do not just eat. but you also catch mice, I think there will be no problems with the shelter. I think there are many who wish to shelter such a cat. Some pluses. Yes, and if Th beat on the red face is more pleasant. But it's like someone's taste.
                      43. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 15: 18
                        +2
                        So you don’t remember anything? Right? Exactly nothing at all?

                      44. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 15: 17
                        +2
                        Kotyara will not stay hungry, lunch serves himself to the table laughing Minus one sparrow, and write crying
                      45. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 15: 44
                        +2
                        Come on, immediately minus one. Drunken cat sober that the sober president of America. At the time, to hand the Nobel Peace Prize, drank with mice. he asked to reproach feathers, he sang a duet with ravens, the truth forced Valerian to eat without a snack and climbed to cuddle, but this is bearable.
                      46. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 15: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Drunken cat sober that the sober president of America.

                        Sasha, just a storehouse of wisdom good
                        Quote: vorobey
                        At the time of the Nobel Peace Prize to present

                        No, it’s not necessary, otherwise cats will have to declare war on someone else’s territory (rich in mice), because they only receive the Nobel laureates of the world laughing
                        Quote: vorobey
                        drank with the mice.

                        Well, I’m peaceful, and I don’t like oriental cuisine, It’s possible to eat fried rats with Esther laughing
                        Quote: vorobey
                        feathers vilify requested

                        This message has nothing to do with tripper, there were more than three feathers laughing
                        Quote: vorobey
                        with crows sang a duet

                        Insolent lies I had a solo part, crows were backing vocalists laughing
                        Quote: vorobey
                        the truth valerian forced to eat without a snack and climbed to cuddle, but it is bearable.

                        This is better than the case when you drunk home with kettlebells and flew away on autopilot. Peaceful citizens are still cautiously looking at the sky laughing
                        Remind me how many times I dropped weights on the way? The fact that the route ran through Azerbaijan and Iran and all were stupidly attributed to the earthquake was simply lucky wink
                      47. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 16: 06
                        +2
                        spender,
                        Well, I’m peaceful, and I don’t like oriental cuisine, It’s possible to eat fried rats with Esther

                        How many times to say to remember, it is in Taiwan they are guzzled.
                      48. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: spender
                        this is than the case when you got drunk with kettlebells home on autopilot flew away. Peaceful citizens are still cautiously looking at the sky
                        Remind me how many times I dropped weights on the way? The fact that the route ran through Azerbaijan and Iran and all were stupidly attributed to the earthquake was simply lucky


                        You’ll scorch to the fullest, well then I’ll tell you how you tied cans drunk to your tail. The Krishnas, thinking that it was a bell, could not keep up with you. So they ran. You are the first day from the cans and the other two from the Hare Krishnas.
                      49. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 16: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Well then, I’ll tell you how you tied cans drunk to the tail. The Krishnas, thinking that it was a bell, could not keep up with you. So they ran. You are the first day from the cans and the other two from the Hare Krishnas.

                        Well then all fell and you, moderators and admins, and you know who regularly spoils you on a car ... laughing And yet, and also you "did" on the Banshee several times laughing
                      50. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 39
                        +4
                        O moon-faced and omnipotent Banshee. I do not mean it from evil, but to the re-teaching of the red-haired man. (Ginger, aren't you choking?)

                        Yes, and agree how the site ratings rose after that.
                      51. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 16: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        (Ginger, aren't you choking?)

                        I can’t bring down hiccups belay
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Yes, and agree how the site ratings rose after that.

                        Did you "figured out" his advertising site? Contact Romanov, you will pop up advertisements for the sale of cars ... laughing
                      52. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 16: 49
                        +2
                        Toyota and Lada things are not compatible. Go broke with such an advertisement. And finally, you are lucky today everything is stuck and the avatar does not change. Esther help is urgently needed in the fight against pickers of litter am
                      53. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 16: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And finally you are lucky today it all hung

                        Sasha, address your intimate problems not to us laughing
                      54. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 17: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: spender
                        intimate problems

                        Yes, with you sex, one big round-the-clock booze laughing No sex, no problem wassat
                      55. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 20: 49
                        0
                        Alexander Romanov,
                        in the fight against pickers

                        Already I rush, peddlers disinfect only alcohol solution or its analogue.
                      56. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: spender
                        Contact Romanov will be an advertisement for the sale of cars to deflate


                        Send you to the bathhouse. Am I to you that airbrush? Art painting drive.
                      57. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 13: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        . I will not point a finger at them who

                        It’s not going to be a finger, when it’s possible for someone especially persistent and along the ridge
                      58. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        and then some mead tried to drink the floor of the site

                        Sasha Romanov, according to your assessment, pulls on a half-site ... laughing I am lost in vague doubts whether Saturn.nnn is the second half? laughing All the same, they dragged one into the orbit and buy a car for another laughing Jokes about Malvina terrible power wassat
                      59. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 13: 31
                        +2
                        Alexei, and that the flag of Amers set, is encrypted what There is no sense unambiguously monitored.
                      60. spender
                        spender 13 August 2012 13: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , and that the flag of amers has been set, encrypted. There is no sense in unambiguously scouting.

                        I don’t normally go in. IP banned, I go out through the program, which wears comments halfway around the world on servers wink
                      61. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 13: 33
                        +2
                        spender,
                        I am lost in vague doubts not Saturn.

                        I asked Saturn to revolve within `` his solar system '', otherwise his anecdotes about Malvina would have hammered the airwaves until today wassat
                      62. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2012 13: 44
                        +2
                        Esther, and did I really break the promise, like no soldier
                      63. Odessa
                        Odessa 13 August 2012 13: 51
                        +2
                        Alexander Romanov,
                        Esther, and did I really break the promise, like no

                        It seems not, but about violations to the Admins, we are malicious violators of the rules of the site, we will be punished with a ban, but this time the Admin has mercy smile
                      64. Armata
                        Armata 13 August 2012 12: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey

                        A paragraph, and if I do it myself.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Esther and she with great pleasure will break a dozen shovels on my ridge

                        Quote: spender
                        you will be sprinkled with a bouquet of roses so that you can’t sleep for a month ...

                        What kind of bunch of bdsm lovers? Damn shovels, roses Fufufu is not good, in the USSR there is no sex.
                      65. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 August 2012 12: 48
                        +2
                        Zhenya, so we are not talking about sex, we are talking about the bath.
                      66. igor67
                        igor67 13 August 2012 15: 27
                        0
                        The wife accidentally looked into her husband's email inbox, and there is a message:
                        "On the dating site **** your profile has 0 views."
                        She turns to her husband standing behind her and calmly says this:
                        - Let me at least take a look, otherwise people are ashamed!
          2. biglow
            biglow 13 August 2012 19: 01
            0
            Alexander Romanov, the Tatars in Crimea, along with the Uzbeks who mow under the Tatars so that they would receive less than 10 percent help and there is no unity between them, they are all divided into mountain and steppe clans, and like any small nation there are many internal contradictions. Well, as always, Russians will wait until the last and then .... In short, it’s better not to touch us
      2. alexng
        alexng 13 August 2012 11: 07
        +3
        Quote: spender
        Actually, you won’t envy Yanukovych, the country's population is divided into two camps and opposed to the Law on the second state language - Russian.

        In fact, there have always been two Ukraine: one is an explosive mixture of Hungarians, Romanians, Poles and Ukrainians, and the second is also a mixture of Ukrainians and Russians. And sooner or later Ukraine will be divided if the idiocy of nationalism is not cured. But since nationalism in the world is already considered atavism, the western half will be in splendid isolation. For Europe, this is ballast, and they will never accept, no matter how the minions of monolingualism try, but for the eastern neighbor, i.e. Russia, Western Ukraine is ge_Mora. So don’t worry, and nobody needs nationalism in the world.
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 12: 26
        +2
        The so-called 15% are fragmented, even in their own camp of politicians they have numerous splits.
        Tymoshenko sits and her party members do not want her to leave, they have a party as a sect. Tymoshenko did not listen to anyone, because of which thirteen chiefs of staffs of regions left her, how many heads of headquarters of cities left I can not even imagine.
        Lutsenko is also sitting.
        Yatsenyuk created a party and did not include many "screamers in the media" on the electoral list.
        Klitschko, too, did not take many popular politicians, or excluded him from the lists.
        Korolkevskaya was expelled from BYuT, Akhmetov bought it, now she has her own party, from where she gathers thousandth congresses. Although congresses are party members and you need to work with them to join the party, but here in a couple of summer months there are already thousandth congresses. Zyuganov would envy her.
        Lyashko, too, was thrown out of BYuT and he created his own dwarf party. Any small European party or Our Ukraine there, is unlikely to go to parliament.
        There are practically no social parties. The Communist Party supports the party of regions.

        In short, a lot of parties screaming, but really did not do anything even in their small towns and villages. And the people already taught little telly believes in their election slogans.
        1. Orey
          Orey 13 August 2012 12: 58
          0
          Quote: Sith Lord
          The so-called 15% are fragmented,

          Quote: spender
          Time is lost, but further tactics of "sticking their heads in the sand" will further exacerbate the situation. 15% of the population is a great force, moreover, it should be borne in mind that these 15% are more united and politically active (most are always inertial).

          To the question of 15% ...
          If the elections to the Verkhovna Rada were in July 2012, the united opposition would be a victory as part of the Batkivshchyna, Front Zmin and Civic Position parties. In total, four parties or blocs go to parliament.
          These are the results of a survey conducted by the Sociological Group “Rating”, reports “Ukrainian Truth”.
          If the elections took place in July 2012, then 42% of respondents would have definitely taken part in them, another 32% would have probably taken part.
          Among them, 25,5% of respondents would vote for a single list of opposition, 20,3% - for the Party of Regions, 10,6% - for the party of BLOW Klitschko, 9,8% - for the Communist Party, 4,4% each for “Freedom” and the Royal party “Ukraine - Forward!”.

          Table of all polls conducted in Ukraine before the elections to the Rada:
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1

          %82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D

          0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5_%282012%29

          15 percent say laughing
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 13: 40
            0
            Understand, I worked at the headquarters of Our Ukraine, specially worked to see how everything is done inside. We - the headquarters paid to rating agencies and newspapers for the publication of such ratings. So that you can count your head and reason: - So, the PR rating is falling, BYuT is slowing down something, if I go I will vote for a single list of the opposition !! It seems like the people are voting, apparently that they know that I will.

            You will look for what the rating agencies published in 2007 before the early parliamentary elections. Or what ratings were published before the presidential elections. especially the "Razumkov rating agency" bought by BYuT was painted there at 62% for Tymoshenko. The rest of the agencies gave 30% for it. There you run through the agencies and see who is dancing to whom. There are also not clean ones who simply copy the data of other agencies, changing a couple of%, and the money allocated for the research is stolen.
            1. Orey
              Orey 13 August 2012 13: 59
              0
              Quote: Sith Lord
              Understand, I worked at the headquarters of Our Ukraine, specially worked to see how everything is done inside. We - the headquarters paid to rating agencies and newspapers for the publication of such ratings. So that you can count your head and reason: - So, the PR rating is falling, BYuT is slowing down something, if I go I will vote for a single list of the opposition !! It seems like the people are voting, apparently that they know that I will.

              You will look for what the rating agencies published in 2007 before the early parliamentary elections. Or what ratings were published before the presidential elections. especially the "Razumkov rating agency" bought by BYuT was painted there at 62% for Tymoshenko. The rest of the agencies gave 30% for it. There you run through the agencies and see who is dancing to whom. There are also not clean ones who simply copy the data of other agencies, changing a couple of%, and the money allocated for the research is stolen.


              Since you no longer mention about 15 percent, we will consider it a tacit recognition that they were just your fantasies)))

              I don’t remember a single election in the last five years where the survey numbers diverged by more than a few percent.
              The PR voter at any ratings will not vote for BYuT and for turnover.
              In the last elections, the PRs with the communists did not have a majority. Today’s majority of PRs in the Rada is obtained by outbidding deputies.
              The fact that today's PR ratings after 2 years in power will be even less is a fact.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 18: 24
                0
                I have to prove to you in every line about 15%? So you do not think that I lost in something?) So I will turn out to feed you like a troll. I hope BYuT as well as PR to the opposition you do not include? Those were in power, then these.
    2. Civil
      Civil 13 August 2012 09: 55
      -2
      so there will be a stalk in Ukraine, one village so, another in Russian, for Ukraine, probably the only way not to share in 2 halves at once
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 12: 55
        +1
        I do not agree, I think the best option is federalization.
        1. Orey
          Orey 13 August 2012 13: 14
          0
          Quote: Sith Lord
          I do not agree, I think the best option is federalization.

          Yeah, each regional center - the president, parliament, cabinet, Mercedes, free housing, and strawberries for 600 UAH.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 13: 51
            +1
            When dozens of nationalities live in the state, only the Federation will save the situation. In Russia, they live normally in the Federation. We are not Belgium, there are only two state languages ​​and two people. We have a lot of nationalities.
            National composition of the population (2001):
            Ukrainians - 77,8% (make up the majority in all regions except Crimea)
            Russians - 17,3% (make up a significant part of the population in the eastern and southern regions, especially in the Crimea, as well as in large cities)
            Belarusians - 0,6%
            Moldavians - 0,5%
            Crimean Tatars - 0,5%
            Bulgarians - 0,4%
            Hungarians - 0,3%
            Romanians - 0,3%
            Poles - 0,3%
            Jews - 0,2%
            Armenians - 0,2%
            Greeks - 0,2%
            Tatars - 0,2%
            others - 1,2%

            1. Orey
              Orey 13 August 2012 14: 07
              -1
              So why the federation if Ukrainians 78%?
              Only Moscow needs this federation to make it easier to manage the small federal princes from Ukraine.
              1. uizik
                uizik 13 August 2012 16: 46
                +1
                Of which 78%! As soon as the orange came to power, everyone became Ukrainians under the comb, and they fled to Litvin’s party. In addition, they began to Ukrainize everything, everyone and everything. And who does this? Yatsynyuki-Jews, Tymoshenko-Armenian-Jews and the like. The titular Ukrainians appeared, reference, national-svіdomі, etc.
                1. Orey
                  Orey 13 August 2012 16: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: uizik
                  Of which 78%! As soon as the orange came to power, everyone became Ukrainians under the comb, and they fled to Litvin’s party. In addition, they began to Ukrainize everything, everyone and everything. And who does this? Yatsynyuki-Jews, Tymoshenko-Armenian-Jews and the like. The titular Ukrainians appeared, reference, national-svіdomі, etc.

                  Quote: Captain Vrungel
                  And where did you get this data? Tyagnibokovites did not count. And how did they calculate if the "nationality" column was abolished. Why are there Armenians and no Georgians and Azerbaijanis? The fiction is all custom-made.

                  Learn materiel - 2001 census... you live in Ukraine and do not know ... and you are not ashamed.
                  PS Census 1989goda - Ukrainians 72% What are the orange blame too? Pereperednik? laughing
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0
                  %BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C_%D0
                  %BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_2001_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B
                  0
                  1. alexng
                    alexng 14 August 2012 00: 56
                    +1
                    This is Wikipendria, not Cyclopendria, but where is the official source? On the wiki, anyone can edit or create text according to their vision, etc. A more authoritative source is needed. There is a lot of mess about Vicki and you can't trust him. In general, I never focus on Wikipedia. The bullshit there overshadowed the truth on almost any issue.
              2. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 18: 27
                0
                For whom did I show the map, what language do 78% of Ukrainians speak? Now, find out how many millions live in each of these areas. And you will understand that up to 70% of the population of the whole country speak Russian.
                1. Kievan
                  Kievan 13 August 2012 18: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  For whom did I show the map, what language do 78% of Ukrainians speak? Now, find out how many millions live in each of these areas. And you will understand that up to 70% of the population of the whole country speak Russian.

                  We are Ukrainians, regardless of what language we speak and 78% of us and it is not necessary to divide us into federations. For example, in Kiev, I speak excellent Russian and without any federations ...
            2. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 13 August 2012 16: 49
              0
              And where did you get this data? Tyagnibokovites did not count. And how did they calculate if the "nationality" column was abolished. Why are there Armenians and no Georgians and Azerbaijanis? The fiction is all custom-made.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 18: 29
                0
                and other 1,2%
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 13 August 2012 14: 18
            0
            "... Each regional center-president ..." It will not work. The districts also want to live like a king, regardless. Only we have Moldovan, Gagauz, Bulgarian, Czech, Gypsy, half-Germans, half-Greeks. And in each region the leader wants to have a coat of arms, a flag and a company of the guard of honor. What to waste on trifles. Share, so share. And then everything is like in the wonderful film "Intervention". Everybody sings, everybody dances, walks, relaxes and waits for a steamer under an import flag with humanitarian aid and secondhand that they didn’t eat there and didn’t report.
            And so simple. Follow the Constitution, the laws. Prison bandits, Nara thieves. Policies hard labor with complete isolation and self-sufficiency. Let them survive. They lived in paradise at our expense. Live for yourself for your own.
        2. Barrel
          Barrel 13 August 2012 13: 36
          0
          Of course, having one autonomous region it is no longer possible to remain a unitary state, but federalization will not solve the problem, but only exacerbate it.
    3. Liasenski
      Liasenski 13 August 2012 13: 32
      +6
      We have two official languages ​​in Belarus and we all feel good, I would like to unmount the Belarusian, and we want Russian, good !!!
      1. Orey
        Orey 13 August 2012 16: 00
        0
        how many Belarusians speak Belarusian? 4%? 10%?
        no language - no people.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 18: 32
          +1
          I agree, but if he is not there, then Yushchenko will not instill him by force, understand?
          Not a single national party, including the orange ones, has opened a single cultural center. Did not buy textbooks for schools at least on the study of the Ukrainian language or Ukrainian history. But Bender put a monument for 120 million.
          1. Kievan
            Kievan 13 August 2012 18: 58
            -1
            Quote: Sith Lord
            But Bender put a monument for 120 million.

            What nonsense ??? Are you from your parallel world or are you working out money here?
          2. LAO
            LAO 13 August 2012 20: 44
            0
            Not only Bender, but famine. And the rest of the money (including from the sale of Krivorozhstal) Tymoshenko put in her pocket. Nothing more was enough (and you are some textbooks, hospitals, army ....).
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 13 August 2012 18: 07
      0
      Quote: alexneg
      anyway, the language issue will be resolved sooner or later in favor of the majority

      What are you talking about the majority, if about Ukrainian, then familiarize yourself with at least the main, very different dialects: "Main dialects:
      Northwest (Polesie), experienced the influence of the Belarusian language;
      southwestern (Transnistrian, Transcarpathian, Bukovinian), experienced the influence of the Polish and Slovak languages;
      southeastern (Dnieper), were the basis of the literary language.
      northeastern (Slobozhansky), were influenced by the Russian language "- from Viki.
      And notice major dialects.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 18: 33
        +1
        The correct map.
  2. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 13 August 2012 08: 39
    +10
    All. who I know, living in Ukraine, who goes to visit relatives, my relatives near Zhmerinka speak and write Russian ... And no problem.
    Russians should speak Russian that's all ...
    And already the folk language (Ukrainian) existed, exists and will always exist among the people of Ukraine.
    And vaasche I don’t understand how it was possible for the Russian people to "get" with these figures - dreamers about the division of the Russian nation in the post-Soviet space ... They are devils in one word, from Kuchma to Yanukovych. They and all their fat slips ... Acne on the body of the Ukrainian Russian people.
    But "Old Man" is just brilliant ...
    1. White
      White 13 August 2012 10: 32
      +4
      That's when you come from Russia and do not understand a word in Ukrainian how to speak with you, I don’t understand.
      Here, everyone who says with tricolor says that when they speak Russian to them in Ukraine, how should you talk?
      Do you even understand your argument?

      I speak mainly Ukrainian but here I write comments in Russian.
      1. Evil Tatar
        Evil Tatar 13 August 2012 11: 29
        0
        Quote: White
        That's when you come from Russia and do not understand a word in Ukrainian how to speak with you, I don’t understand.

        Yes, ah, I’ve sprouted ...))))) I’ll take a chance ... Some of the good Ukrainian Natsiks are really fucking ...
        I mean, you want to say that I, in order to come to you, must know your language? )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        And then you, agree with me to speak Russian in my territory?))))) Threat ...

        Go wait in the corner ... Think about what you said ... Then come back, son, let's continue.
        1. White
          White 13 August 2012 11: 34
          +1
          Did I say so.
          Here, very often the argument says the phrase that I went to Ukraine and everyone spoke Russian, it’s clear that Russian is so convenient you understand us we are you. When you go somewhere on vacation, you will most likely communicate in English in spite of your language and the state language of that country because it is so convenient.

          What makes you think that I am a nationalist that I can’t speak Ukrainian, I just like that.
          1. Evil Tatar
            Evil Tatar 13 August 2012 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: White
            What makes you think that I am a nationalist that I can’t speak Ukrainian, I just like that.

            Glad I'm not a nationalist ...
            Think, neighbor, why is IM very important that they do not speak Russian in Ukraine?
            And then you will understand that your nation is waiting ... Yes, and we will get ...
            The global task of Russian (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, etc.) citizens of their countries is to make them able to speak the whole WORLD, if possible, in the language of the Empire - the community of those states with which it will be possible to survive difficult situations ...
            And do not scatter around the corners, bonfires to each other on each other in a strange language ...
            And here your ability to speak and write correctly in the Great Russian language will turn out to be a wonderful piece of gold in your hands, and not a handout of the parents who taught you this language.
            1. White
              White 13 August 2012 12: 51
              0
              I explain my position again. I don’t have anything against Russia (except for gas cine) and the Russian language, for that matter, in truth for me surzhik will be the closest to me, but I like Ukrainian and I want it to develop.
              And such ill-conceived political laws displace him.

              But I often do not like the position of double standards, and here there is already a comment - accept Russian as the state language, and if you want to speak Ukrainian, speak. But what is the difference if I say all tries to translate into Ukrainian if you want to speak Russian.

              And by the way, you there casually recalled Kazakhstan as far as I heard that position in the national language is unequivocal and very harsh, although with the collapse of the USSR, the percentage of people speaking Russian was more than in Ukraine. But for some reason it completely satisfies you, and you directly hate everything in Ukraine.
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 12: 59
          +1
          I live in Ukraine, speak Russian. But you are insulting a person in vain!
      2. Purgen
        Purgen 13 August 2012 13: 55
        +1
        Dear White. Any Russian getting to Ukraine. He understands at least half of the speech on the mov right away. A month later, he understands everything that they say to him. After three, he can also freely communicate on a mov. If, of course, a Russian is not a complete club with a vocabulary of Ellochka-Ogre. A week, as from Ukraine (was at the Relatives). There were no problems understanding Mova. The same as Russian only side view. And in the East of the South of Ukraine in Crimea, only street names and advertisements on mov. Everyone speaks Russian. Everything. It was fun to watch the interview of Azarov. Azarov in Russian answers. Magazines on mov ask questions.
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 August 2012 15: 04
          0
          another branch of hoh l osracha)))) yes it’s good already
          1. White
            White 13 August 2012 15: 19
            0
            Katsapo srach wassat
            1. Purgen
              Purgen 13 August 2012 16: 10
              +3
              Down with srach. Everything in Ukraine is normal with languages ​​and with mov and with Russian. Everyone understands each other. Everyone speaks a language that is convenient for them. The overwhelming majority of the population are sane people. And they understand what's what. And they don’t see problems with communication languages. This is political masturbation with this law. No more.
              1. White
                White 13 August 2012 16: 14
                +1
                Your koment confirms that you also have excellent sane people ++
              2. spender
                spender 13 August 2012 16: 19
                +4
                Quote: Purgen
                Down with srach

                With such a nickname and such an appeal !!! laughing
                1. Purgen
                  Purgen 14 August 2012 10: 13
                  0
                  Yes, I am like this)))) bully
  3. Ustas
    Ustas 13 August 2012 09: 03
    +2
    The signed Law will not have any serous effect on the election campaign.

    Likely.
  4. slas
    slas 13 August 2012 09: 58
    +8
    This bunch of preoccupations lives in some kind of our own world. We live and speak the language taught by parents. Who in Russian understands perfectly who is in Ukrainian and vice versa and no one (I have never witnessed or even heard about it in Central Ukraine) doesn’t bother with this in everyday communication Well, maybe some woman Paraska will meet with the brains of a chicken (but this is one) And these minds artificially raise these questions because they don’t know how to deal with real affairs on the wrong scale car service to manage a maximum In short, they are all hostages of their non-professionalism and incompetence
  5. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 13 August 2012 10: 44
    +1
    When politicians have nothing to say to the people, when all their promises remain an empty phrase, they clutch at the problem of language, at the rescue straw on duty. And without their participation, the Russian language lived, lives and will live. No matter how rotten his orange-tongued loungers were, and how blue political aunts would not have been promoted on him in a criminal godfather.
  6. T72B
    T72B 13 August 2012 10: 56
    +4
    Something experts in the last two decades have spread immeasurably. And everything is presented in such a tricky way. True, sometimes everyone strays from philosophical terminology to a more familiar thug fenya like: "Whom did Hanukovich throw?" Not what? All our boys. You can bend your fingers too. And the terpila will be clearer. True, such expert assessments cloud what is happening even more. Or maybe it was so conceived? Can the experts get their salaries for this?
    Give more experts of different blue and red!
    1. slas
      slas 13 August 2012 11: 06
      +1
      T72B Or maybe it was so conceived? Can experts get salaries precisely for this? 100 %
  7. The cat
    The cat 13 August 2012 11: 05
    -1
    Russian will never become the second state language in Ukraine, simply because no one wants to forever throw out the political trump card. Although the weight of this trump card is steadily falling.
  8. Lexo
    Lexo 13 August 2012 11: 06
    +5
    It seems to me that the language issue is a question of the "Soviet" countries .. Where else in the world is this question so much discussed = in Europe, in general, people speak different languages ​​.... In our country, getting a minuscule amount of living on bread and milk, prices are rising so that young families wonder whether to give birth just do? That's what you need to think about and exaggerate!
    And what language should I speak with the Russian Ukrainian Belarus Georgian = I can figure it out without any laws !!!
    Language and Religion is a good tool for inciting conflict!
  9. White
    White 13 August 2012 11: 18
    +3
    - In another topic about the language in Ukraine, I tried to defend my state language, but they all pecked at me and didn’t understand anything of what I had in mind (perhaps because of the search with emotions, I didn’t clearly state my point of view). For this I’ll try to say briefly everything I wanted.
    - The question with the Russian language and in truth needed to be settled somehow, but it had to be considered in a narrower direction. To expand the use of documents and in the courts. In all other respects, there are no problems for those who speak Russian in the press, TV, Internet, radio, but no one is running after people and bet them for the Russian language, speak as you like ..
    - In Ukraine there are plenty of Russian-language schools in the eastern and southern regions. But here is my opinion that it should have been done this way - to introduce a full Russian language course in Ukrainian schools (when I studied Russian it was but not a full course) and when studying in literature by a Russian author, study texts in the original language, respectively, introduce a full Ukrainian course in Russian schools language, and Ukrainian literature in the original language. This could simply smooth out the issue in the future since people would be fluent in both languages.
    - When you are actively defending the Russian language, I understand you very well, but that’s why you are sure that you don’t understand what is happening in our bell tower. If your opinion is based on information from ORT and RTR, then these are far from the most objective sources of information.

    will be continued please read everything first.
    1. White
      White 13 August 2012 11: 19
      +2
      - In Ukraine, Ukrainian is very widespread and develops in three areas:
      1. Cinema since 2009, we have all films duplicated in Ukrainian, contrary to the statements of the defenders of the Russian language since that time, movie theater fees have only grown. But already there were attempts to cover the B&H studio which duplicates more than half of all films in Ukrainian. By the way, if anyone doesn’t like the Ukrainian translation, you can always watch a DVD with a Russian translation, whereas earlier I had no choice but only Russian.
      2. The state document about this I wrote above.
      3. Schools about this, I also wrote above.
      So I have a question why protecting the rights of others infringe on my rights because I have a much less choice for Ukrainian speakers.
      Regarding the law itself.
      1. It was taken with huge violations that would entail inevitable consequences.
      2. If all of them use it, then according to estimates it can cost more than 2 mrd. $.
      3. This law applies not only to the Russian language, but another 12 others, so we may have areas where neither Ukrainian nor Russian can be understood, which can greatly affect the integrity of Ukraine. I remember the conversations on this forum about Yugoslavia that the evil Yankees took to pieces if you really wanted it for us, would anyone really benefit from it?
      1. White
        White 13 August 2012 11: 19
        0
        In other discussions, they threw me the word “mov” means colloquial speech of peasants, but how can a linguist explain to me how since then the word language has become more respectable, significant and generally noble in origin.
        They talked a lot about the fact that the Ukrainian language very often changed under the influence of other languages ​​- yes this is true. But even now you don’t speak native Russian, there is a poster in front of me with a decree of Peter I on gun quality control so you can break it until you read it (by the way, Peter I carried out a lot of language reforms), but there are a lot of church services in general.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 13 August 2012 11: 42
      +2
      Quote: White
      but that's why you are sure that you from your bell tower know better what is happening with us is incomprehensible to me.

      Because our bell tower is located in Ukraine, in the Sumy region. And I don’t understand why it was necessary to change the signs, road signs and street names into Ukrainian. Often, simply redrawing the Russian "and" into Ukrainian. Moreover, all this is presented as if it remains to change one more sign, and we will live, as in Europe. Why were Russian schools closed? There is not a single one left in our city. If you want to speak Ukrainian, please! Do the same as in Western Ukraine, duplicate the signs, street names, institutions. There signboards in Ukrainian and Romanian (Hungarian, Czech). But the policy of such a Russian language is declared imperial, the language of the occupiers. That is, I have spoken Russian all my life, my parents, grandfathers, and all of a sudden, the language of the occupiers? That's what causes complete rejection ...
      1. White
        White 13 August 2012 11: 53
        +1
        I didn’t write about the language of the invaders, the position of either Yanukovych or those who were before him (Yushchenko) is acceptable for them, they both cut down in the bud without going into the details and essence of the issue, and no one thinks about the consequences of what Yushchenko’s decree about the ban on speaking Russian for breaks is not normal. But even the way the party of regions acts is a strong excess.

        PS My grandfather is a war veteran, two injured, the Order of Glory, another grandfather was held captive in Austria for two years (he did not fight since he was still young).
        So do not take me as a nationalist, I am not happy with throwing to extremes.
        1. tan0472
          tan0472 13 August 2012 13: 03
          +1
          Dear White. If in Ukraine Russian becomes the second official language, what will change for you?
          1. White
            White 13 August 2012 13: 11
            -1
            For example, the same dubbing in the movie is very likely to be extorted.
            1. tan0472
              tan0472 13 August 2012 13: 17
              +2
              But what about your words "you can always watch a DVD with a Russian (Ukrainian) translation"?
              1. White
                White 13 August 2012 13: 20
                0
                When there was a Russian translation of Ukrainian was not in the prince, I had no choice as of now. No one will be wasted on dubbing just for disks.
                1. tan0472
                  tan0472 13 August 2012 13: 23
                  +1
                  How? And UNA-UNSO and others? Really will not throw off? For native mov then?
                  1. REPA1963
                    REPA1963 13 August 2012 23: 43
                    -1
                    For reedna mov ..
            2. BYRY
              BYRY 13 August 2012 15: 39
              -2
              Do you really need him? As they said in the 95th quarter: Enough to transfer our money.
              1. White
                White 13 August 2012 15: 56
                -2
                Personally, I like the Ukrainian translation in most films much more than Russian.
                And in this case, we do not spend money because dubbing into the national language is paid by the film distributor studio. So we even make money on it.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 13 August 2012 16: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: White
                  Personally, I like the Ukrainian translation in most films much more than Russian.

                  the only translation I liked, this is a cartoon, Hunting Season, neighing for a long time. But when Schwarzenegger in Ukrainian as it is already perceive
                2. White
                  White 14 August 2012 11: 09
                  0
                  The question is to who is pounding the minus - you can argue than you are not happy with my preferences
      2. BYRY
        BYRY 13 August 2012 15: 37
        0
        The signs not only rewrote, but also changed the names of streets and cities. Was Nikolaev - became Mikolaev, Was Victory Avenue - became Perimogi Avenue, and how to look for it if the map says in Russian.
        1. igor67
          igor67 13 August 2012 16: 17
          0
          BYRY,
          it’s easy if you turn on the logic before there was a single Old Russian language, then for various reasons it was transformed but the meaning is: PROSPECT OF VICTORY-TRANSFER, TRANSFER (in Russian mogi, maybe,} the prefix can-over, over-could, some roots. just a reluctance to understand.
  10. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 13 August 2012 11: 35
    +7
    Hold a referendum. With a majority of 2/3, make Russian the second state language and close this topic.
    It is simply beneficial for Ukrainian politicians before the elections to earn additional votes, play on this issue and, in turn, split the country artificially into two camps.
    1. Lexo
      Lexo 13 August 2012 12: 12
      +5
      100%. Let Russian become the second state and all matters! I grew up in Kiev and adore my city! But I am a Russian-speaking Ukrainian, besides semi-Georgian ...... I was born in the USSR)) .... I am most comfortable with Russian ... But I also really love Ukrainian culture ... this people ... for all that happened to us after the assassination of the USSR is a great personal tragedy and shock to me!
      Let's not quarrel over the language ... we always understand each other .... you need to think about prices, thieves (on a national scale) and just about the economy ...
  11. Barrel
    Barrel 13 August 2012 13: 48
    -2
    Brother Ukrainian! I urge you not to marnuvati for an hour that nerves on the same thing, since the "great Russians" do not take anything out of it, surrounded by their comfort and convenience. They do not have such problems yet, but soon the Middle Asian, Chinese, Caucasian movs will be available fifty hundred thousand from the population and to remember the stench of vimagati more rights for themselves (like the Arabs in France), in addition Also, let’s guess what yak I want, but I know yak won’t.
    1. BYRY
      BYRY 13 August 2012 15: 53
      0
      Well, no matter what the "broad Ukrainian" does not come to the Russian-speaking site, this does not happen, and that he would not frighten the "sworn to her" with the Chinese threat, well, without it.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 30
        +2
        Do not pay attention, Dima has solid phobias despite his youth.
        1. Barrel
          Barrel 14 August 2012 01: 36
          0
          I just urge you not to waste time on such topics. And you will not prove anything and you will not convince us.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 18: 42
      +2
      Russia is thousands of years old, and something Kazan has not yet risen uprising, or Yakutia or anyone else)) Chechnya and Ingushetia and Dagestan later joined the Soviet Union.
      And you, dear man, apparently drink American Coca-Cola, wear a Turkish leather jacket, and Chinese jeans? But the Russian you neither from him from you heartburn ????

      Have you any grandmother at least helped to buy and bring medicines? Or maybe they painted a fence in a kindergarten with friends? Or did the UNA-UNSO veterans help in trousers and a jacket? Or maybe you took off and bought 100 textbooks on the Ukrainian language or on Ukrainian history ???

      Here they think who loves Ukraine. those who flatter with England in the ass kiss or who actually helps their country. Do not eat hamburgers at McDonald's, but it would be better if they took 100 hryvnias to the grandfather.
      1. The cat
        The cat 13 August 2012 18: 59
        0
        You, as I understand it, have already done all of the above?
        PS By the way, enlighten how many thousands of years in Russia? Very interesting.
        PPS Yes, I would also like to know about UNSO veterans.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 13 August 2012 22: 12
          +1
          Yes, I listed what I did. As for the veterans, it was trolling, at least the veterans of "their" UNSovs supported)
          1. Barrel
            Barrel 14 August 2012 01: 45
            0
            Being a patriot does not mean using exclusively domestic goods. Not all of our services can provide us with our homeland. If I come across a product that is attractive to me, it will not be a problem for me that it is Russian. I respect all nationalities. religions and cultures (except for Americans - there is no nationality or culture) and I NOT I urge you to hate Russians. I am for living in friendship, but friendship is possible only if you, your language and culture are respected.
            PS Well, I help my city a bit, in particular with cleanliness
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 14 August 2012 02: 23
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Here they think who loves Ukraine. those who flatter with England in the ass kiss or who actually helps their country

        Someone plows at metallurgical plants in the South-East, digs coal (which is now due to the fault of the national patriots, instead of gas at the CHP and TPP, the sky will smoke the sky), and someone "kokhae Ridna nightingale in beaten embroidered shirts" and lives
        subsidy account. Live, since you only know how to trade and “vote” and “starve” (I don’t know why you get the greatest buzz), get subsidies, just don’t meddle with your charter in someone else’s monastery. There is a state language - we speak it, respect it, but earn for a life for yourself and for those subsidized, to rest after that leave the opportunity to choose for us as it is more convenient, including in our native Russian. And stop Russophobic hysteria, better organize cheap book printing in Ukrainian. In my (Soviet-imperialist) childhood, I read all the world's fiction only in Ukrainian - it was piled high and at cheap prices, the Russian diverged so much that you couldn't get away. And where are the cheap Ukrainian and Russian books now? Here is your first "Timurov" assignment.
  12. bistrov.
    bistrov. 13 August 2012 14: 22
    +2
    Many opinions: - Russian is needed, Russian is not needed. Let's start with the fact that according to various estimates, there are only 8 to 12 million ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. In addition, there is a large number of Ukrainians for whom Russian is their mother tongue. A total of 25-30 million Russian speakers. And the state language is Ukrainian. This means that the language rights of at least 25 million Ukrainian citizens (most of them) were constantly violated. It's only about Russian speakers. But many other nationalities also live in Ukraine, Hungarians and Czechs in Transcarpathia, Poles in western Ukraine, Romanians in Bukovina, now, thanks to Gorbachev, Tatars in Crimea also appeared. The linguistic rights of these nationalities were also not respected. Therefore, the law on languages, even if it does not provide the rights of Russian-speakers throughout Ukraine, but in places of compact residence, violent ukroinizatsiya is almost impossible, and therefore nationalists and the so-called "opposition" fell into hysterics, which is practically the same thing. Now many voices are being heard that, they say, the law on languages ​​was adopted with violations, without appropriate discussion. And who did not allow the opposition to discuss it, if they not only did not allow it to be discussed, but also in every possible way prevented even the introduction of the bill, blocked the rostrum, did not want to consider it in the specialized committee, where a month was given for this, Lytvyn refused to put the bill to a vote. What would you like to do in this case? So the supporters of the adoption of the law went to all sorts of tricks, in the end the law was adopted by a majority vote and signed by the president. Now let the "oppositionists" bite themselves in one place, they are primarily to blame for this. I believe that the law will have a progressive meaning, it will somewhat smooth out the confrontation between East and West, in addition, it will give impetus to the development of the Ukrainian language, the development of which has practically stopped and it has sunk to the level of "native".
    1. Barrel
      Barrel 13 August 2012 14: 34
      -3
      The rights of Ukrainians were infringed upon by the Russians for several hundred years, so they will suffer, it’s not a foreign language, so everything can be returned in ten years.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 13 August 2012 17: 02
        0
        [b
        Quote: Barrel
        The rights of Ukrainians were infringed upon by Russians for several hundred years

        For example, which ones?
        1. Orey
          Orey 13 August 2012 17: 19
          +2
          Quote: bistrov.
          For example, which ones?

          1627. By the decree of the Tsar of Moscow Alexei Mikhailovich and his father, Patriarch Filaret, it was ordered to collect the books of the Ukrainian press and burn them in the fires, with a strict prohibition to buy Ukrainian books ever in the future. So, in Moscow, the 'Teaching Gospel' of Tranquilion-Stavrovetsky was burned together with his other books and the 'Catechism' of Lawrence Zizaniy Tustanovsky.
          * 1669. After the Union of Lublin - persecution of Ukrainian books printed on Polish territory,
          * 1672. A decree prohibiting people from holding all ranks in all cities to keep books openly or secretly in the Ukrainian press at home and in Poland, and whoever has them is severely ordered to bring and deliver the governor, the local ruler.
          * 1677. The Moscow Patriarch Joachim ordered from Ukrainian books to destroy sheets that differ from Moscow books.
          * 1689. The Synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print And the volume of "Cheti-Mena" by Dmitry Rostovsky.
          * 1690. Moscow Patriarch Joachim by decree banned all Ukrainian writing, and the volume of the book "Chetya-Menaion" by Daniel the Zatochnik was ordered to be burned.
          * 1693. Letter from the Moscow Patriarch to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra on the prohibition of any books in the Ukrainian language.
          * 1709 year. The decree of Peter I on the prohibition of printing books in the Ukrainian language, and books printed in Church Slavonic, check with the Russian edition, so that there is no difference.
          * 1720. Decree of Peter I, so that again no books should be printed except for church previous editions in Ukraine, and those old books with books of the Great Russian press should be equalized so that they do not have any difference and special dialect.
          1. Orey
            Orey 13 August 2012 17: 21
            0
            * December 20, 1720. Peter I issued a decree to the Kiev provincial prince Golitsyn, so that - in all the monasteries remaining in the Russian state, to inspect and pick up the ancient letters of letters and other curious letters of the original, as well as historical, manuscript and printed books.
            * 1721. Synod’s order to send books from Ukrainian printing houses to the synodal office to correct them in accordance with Russian requirements and pronunciation and comparison with the censor’s mark.
            * 1724. The printing house of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra was fined one thousand rubles for printing books that are not very similar in every way. The Chernigov printing house, which was transported to Moscow, was also fined for the same amount and for the same "guilt".
            * 1726. Kiev Metropolitan Joseph Krokovsky composed an akathist to St. Barbara. Moscow allowed the Lavra the seal, but with the condition of its translation into Russian (“into Great Russian adverts”). In August 1726, the Synod ordered the prohibition of printing any book that had not previously been published by the St. Petersburg or Moscow synodal printing house. Again, it was ordered that the spelling and stress be exactly repeated in Moscow.
            * 1729. The order of Peter on the rewriting in Ukraine of government regulations and orders from the Ukrainian language to Russian.
            * 1740. The Russian Empress Anna Ivanovna created the board of the hetman government under the leadership of Moscow Prince Alexei Shakhovsky and introduced the Russian language in office work on the territory of Ukraine. The censuses of 1740 - 1748 indicate that in the seven regiments of the Hetman region in 1094 villages there were 866 schools with the Ukrainian language. In 1804, a royal decree was issued that banned the study of the Ukrainian language. The results of national oppression immediately affected the state of education in Ukraine. Already the census of 1897 showed that for 100 people there were only 13 literate.
            * 1748. The order of the Synod to Metropolitan Samuel Miloslavsky of Kiev to introduce the Russian language of instruction at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy and in all schools of Ukraine, as a result of which 866 Ukrainian schools disappeared on the Left Bank.
            1. Orey
              Orey 13 August 2012 17: 22
              +1
              * 1750 year. After the abolition of the Chancellery of the Ministry of Management of Little Russian Affairs in the town of Glukhov, clandestine paperwork was removed from it and transported to Russia. Documents of the archive of the Zaporizhzhya Sich, found during the ruin of the Sich by Lieutenant-General Tekelia in a chest under the throne of the Sich Church, were in the office of the General Archive of the General Staff.
              * 1755. The Synod ordered the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to translate into Russian the "Chetya-Menaion" of St. Dmitry Rostovsky and the Kiev-Pechersky patericon. * 1763. Decree of Catherine II on the prohibition of spreading the Ukrainian language in the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.
              * 1764 year. The cancellation of Ukrainian hetman by Catherine II, and with it the liquidation of Ukrainian educational and cultural institutions and the removal of Ukrainian-speaking officials from power. * 1765. Liquidation by Catherine II of the Cossack system in Slobozhanshchina and Cossack schools.
              * 1766. The synod issued a stern decree to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra to print only those books that are in the Moscow printing house 1769. The synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print primers in the Ukrainian language and ordered them to take away primers that were already in their hands.
              * 1782. Catherine II created a commission for the establishment of public schools in Russia, the tasks of which were to introduce the only form of study and teaching the Russian language in all schools of the empire.
              * 1784. The synod orders Metropolitan of Kiev and Galitsky Samuel to punish students and dismiss teachers of the Kiev-Mohyla Academy for moving away from the Russian language.
              * 1785. The order of Catherine II in all the churches of the empire to rule the service of God in Russian. The Russian language is instituted in all schools of Ukraine.
              * 1786. The synod again orders the Metropolitan of Kiev to control the Lavra printing house so that there is no difference with the Moscow editions, and that the Kiev-Mohyla Academy immediately introduce a training system that was legalized for the whole empire. 1789. In St. Petersburg, on the initiative of Catherine II, a Comparative Dictionary of All Languages ​​was published, in which the Ukrainian language is defined as Russian, distorted by Polish.
              * 1811 year. The closure of the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.
              * 1847 year. The defeat of the Cyril and Methodius Brotherhood.
              * 1862 year. Cursed Ukrainian Sunday schools. The publication of the Ukrainian literary and scientific-political journal Osnova ceased.
              * 1863. Valuevsky circular: "There was no Ukrainian language, there is not and cannot be, and who does not understand this is the enemy of Russia."1864 year. Thousands of pounds of archival materials were taken to Moscow after the judicial reform. According to the offender of the Ministry of Justice of December 3, 1866, a large number of documents of liquidated institutions from Volyn, Kiev, Yekaterinoslav, Podolsky, Kherson and Chernigov provinces got there.
              1. Orey
                Orey 13 August 2012 17: 22
                +1
                * 1869 year. By law, officials of all departments were assigned a significant surcharge for Russification. * 1876. Ems Decree. The ban on importing Ukrainian books from abroad, the ban on signing Ukrainian texts with notes, the ban on Ukrainian performances. It is no coincidence that M. Lisenko’s choir was forced to sing the Ukrainian folk song Rain in French in a concert.
                * 1881 year. The law on permission to print dictionaries in the Ukrainian language, but for Russian spelling, and the production of Ukrainian submissions depends on the local authorities.
                * 1887 year. The censor turned the manuscript of the grammar of the Ukrainian language without reading, writing to the author that there was no need to allow the grammar of that language, which is doomed to non-existence, to be published.
                * 1888 year. Decree of Alexander III "On the prohibition of getting used to the official institutions of the Ukrainian language and the baptism of Ukrainian names."

                * 1889 year. In Kiev, at the archaeological congress, it is allowed to read essays in all languages ​​except Ukrainian.
                * 1892 year. The Russian government orders the censors to be careful to prevent Ukrainian literary translations from the Russian language. * 1894. Prohibition of the import of Ukrainian books from abroad. * 1895. Prohibition of Ukrainian anthology and Ukrainian books for children.
                * 1905 year. The Cabinet of Ministers of Russia rejected the petition of Kiev and Kharkov universities to lift the ban on the Ukrainian language, defining this as untimely.
                * 1906 and 1907. Enlightenment closure in Odessa and Nikolaev.
                * 1908 year. Senate decree that educational work in Ukraine is harmful and dangerous for Russia.
                * 1910 year. Stolypin’s decree on the transfer of Ukrainian to the category of foreigners and the prohibition of any Ukrainian organizations.
                * 1914 year. Decree of Nicholas I on the prohibition of the Ukrainian press.
                1. bistrov.
                  bistrov. 13 August 2012 23: 03
                  +2
                  For Ouray. All of these your transfers are useless. I did not see any violations of the rights of the Ukrainian people here. Firstly, "Ukraine", then "Little Russia", was part of Russia and naturally the tsarist government strove for uniformity, including the language sphere. Nevertheless, no one prohibited the Ukrainian language, as evidenced by the work of T.G. Shevchenko, I. Franko and other writers.
                  1. Kievan
                    Kievan 13 August 2012 23: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: bistrov.
                    I did not see any violations of the rights of the Ukrainian people here.

                    Valuev Circular - the secret circular of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Empire Petr Valuev of July 18, 1863, according to which a significant part of publications in the Ukrainian language (in the then terminology - in Little Russian or Little Russian dialect [1]) was suspended.
                    As a reason for the ban, the circular indicates an increasing number of publications in the Ukrainian language, “coinciding with the political intentions of the Poles” and meeting the “separatist intentions” of some Ukrainians. The circular noted, with reference to anonymous Ukrainians, that "there was no special Little Russian language, there is not and cannot be," and that the Ukrainian language is the same Russian language, only spoiled by Polish influence on it.
                    The circular ordered the Censorship Committees to prohibit the publication of religious, teaching and educational books in the Ukrainian language, but allowed the publication of fiction (subsequently banned by the Ems Decree).

                    Ems Decree - an order of Emperor Alexander II, signed on May 18 (30), 1876 in Bad Ems (Bad Ems, Germany), aimed at restricting the use and teaching of the Ukrainian language ("Little Russian dialect") in the Russian Empire.
                    The Emsky decree supplemented the main provisions of the Valuev Circular 1863. The immediate reason for publication was a memorandum sent to the tsar by an assistant trustee of the Kiev school district, Mikhail Yuzefovich, who accused the Ukrainian enlighteners of wanting “free Ukraine in the form of a republic, with a hetman at the head.”

                    Quote: bistrov.
                    Nevertheless, no one forbade the Ukrainian language,evidence of the performance of T.G.Shevchenko, I. Franko and other writers.

                    Either you have problems with logic or with the Russian language. If this is not a language ban then what do you call a ban?
                    By the way, Franco wrote in Lviv (Austria-Hungary) and has nothing to do with Russia ....
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 14 August 2012 02: 39
            0
            Quote: Orey
            1669. After the Union of Lublin - persecution of Ukrainian books printed on Polish territory,

            But were not the Uniates the enemies of the Orthodox? The same applies to the remaining points, there was an ideological struggle between the Orthodox and the Catholic world, which did not shun ideological sabotage, changing canonical texts. The eternal struggle of East and West, which is seething now.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 14 August 2012 02: 34
        0
        Quote: Barrel
        so tolerate

        Remember, and tell your friends and children, RUSSIAN "terpila" NEVER were!
    2. Orey
      Orey 13 August 2012 16: 14
      0
      Quote: bistrov.
      This means that the language rights of at least 25 million citizens of Ukraine (for the most part) were constantly violated.

      Just do not write here Russian-speaking Ukrainians. And the fact that here on the federal channels of the Russian Federation they like to enroll us in supporters of the second state, which is completely different ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 August 2012 16: 33
        +6
        men do not behave like Poles. all were offended all their lives. They will say it now with or without reason. If you like it ... not to taste and taste ...
      2. bistrov.
        bistrov. 13 August 2012 17: 06
        +3
        So, even then, the authorities are afraid to hold a referendum on this topic, the required number of signatures was collected under Kuchma, then under Yushchenko, none of them announced a referendum on the state language.
  13. igor67
    igor67 13 August 2012 16: 51
    0
    [/ color let the train go (in which direction)?
  14. igor67
    igor67 13 August 2012 16: 52
    0
    Velma Chanovna Panism !! Be your kindness! ht do you know where the trains from the Boryspil airport started (in which direction)?
    1. Orey
      Orey 13 August 2012 17: 06
      +1
      Yes, they didn’t seem to be allowed yet ...
      1. igor67
        igor67 13 August 2012 17: 11
        0
        Orey,
        sort of like going to the European Championship
  15. uizik
    uizik 13 August 2012 17: 03
    +2
    Who writes that the problem of language is from Soviet times, then it is simply mistaken or did not live then. I explain that in the USSR, Russian was the language of international communication. And if the government wanted it, you would all speak Russian. However, on the contrary, the authorities gave priority to the development of languages ​​of other peoples living in the USSR. Ukrainian and Russian were fluent in Ukraine. A similar situation was in Kazakhstan and Georgia. Now you are faced with their foreheads, like rams. The herd is easier to manage.
  16. Odessa
    Odessa 13 August 2012 21: 10
    +1
    So we got to grips, two kindred people, bound by tight ties since the times of Kievan Rus, border, language dispute, economic squabble-horror!
  17. igor67
    igor67 13 August 2012 21: 15
    +1
    Odessa,
    if I translate, the inscription into Russian, the people will break the yak mavpa gazetu
  18. wax
    wax 13 August 2012 22: 40
    +1
    "The official languages ​​of Switzerland are: German, French, Italian and Romansh (the latter is official only for communication with native speakers of the Romansh language" - Wikipedia. And no problem - you just have to work, and not politicize.
  19. slas
    slas 13 August 2012 23: 25
    +1
    Offended? Well, as they drove on to you and they will carry Poles and others like them) As they laid on you in Europe laughing and they will lay down until they stop licking and stop bending to every western foreigner I don’t expect any answers because they are spraying with saliva tongue
    1. Purgen
      Purgen 14 August 2012 12: 47
      0
      "They lie in the ass" .. Learn the rules of the Russian language. And look in the ass Europe and Ameram. Only for this you are fit. In Russia up to the waist on Europu Amerov and their opinion. Adies amigo.