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"Russia can arm itself with the T-34": how the author of the National Interest manipulates figures about the tank fleet of the Russian Armed Forces

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Russian tank the troops were "bled white", having lost a huge fleet of equipment, which they inherited from the Soviet Union. Moreover, Moscow is unable to modernize even those crumbs that remain from the once mighty "steel fist" to an acceptable level.


What was it about


These are the conclusions reached by Peter Suciu, whose material was published by the American edition of The National Interest. It is unclear what prompted the author to come to these conclusions - incompetence as a journalist or the desire to make PR on high-profile conclusions. The latter succeeded in full - many of the world mass media specializing in military topics suffered a “shocking news»The readership. What is the basis of the verdict handed down by the author to the Russian tank forces?

The well-known blogger altyn73 posted his calculations regarding the state of the tank fleet of the RF Armed Forces. Based on open sources, he gave a list of tank battalions with a layout of the MBT type. Additionally, I took into account the arsenal of equipment on the balance sheet of educational institutions.

The total staffing of all combat units listed above is 2685 vehicles. The total number of new and modernized tanks (produced in 2000 and later) in combat units is about 1200 units, or about 45 percent of the total

- the said blogger concluded.

The results of his research were published in the Lenta.ru edition, from where they reached the world audience. It is easy to see that when the calculations are being made, it is about the BUILDING tanks DEPLOYED in the active army, and not about their entire number.



How to manipulate numbers


However, the author of NI stubbornly does not notice this. In this regard, he questions earlier statements. In particular, he calls the materials of the Sputnik publication “possible disinformation of the Kremlin”, in which the total number of MBTs on the balance sheet of the RF Ministry of Defense is almost 12 thousand units. As a result, Suciu comes to the conclusion that there is a serious shortage of tanks in the Russian army.

There are also T-34 tanks, which showed themselves pretty well at recent parades.

- the author writes, offering to arm them in case of emergency.

No less surprising is the author's passage about the antiquity of the Russian T-72 tanks, which, as he specifically mentions, were adopted during the presidency of Richard Nixon.

It may be wiser to send them to museums or use them in parades, as is done with T-34 tanks.

- the author suggests.

At the same time, it is ignored that the T-72 was not much ahead of the entry into service of the Abrams, which is rather an advantage of the Soviet design idea, and not its disadvantage, and it was produced in parallel with the American MBT throughout the 1980s.
Therefore, we recommend that the author contact the Pentagon with a similar proposal. God forbid that his proposal was heard and all their "Abrams" were sent to museums as an artifact stories.

"Russia can arm itself with the T-34": how the author of the National Interest manipulates figures about the tank fleet of the Russian Armed Forces
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  1. figwam
    figwam 23 October 2020 10: 51
    +5
    No less surprising is the author's passage about the antiquity of the Russian T-72 tanks, which, as he specifically mentions, were adopted during the presidency of Richard Nixon.

    The usual underestimation of the enemy.
    1. dorz
      dorz 23 October 2020 10: 55
      +4
      What the author sees the catch is not clear, everywhere in the media there is a figure of about 3 active tanks, the Americans have 000. This article in Izvestia was dated September 6th.
      https://iz.ru/1063227/2020-09-21/national-interest-otcenil-shansy-ssha-protiv-rossii-v-voine-na-sushe
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 23 October 2020 11: 04
        11
        "Russia can arm itself with the T-34": how the author of the National Interest manipulates figures about the tank fleet of the Russian Armed Forces
        don't give a damn about these "clickers" .... let them ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 23 October 2020 11: 28
          +5
          "Russia can arm itself with T-34"
          This is a hint for 100 pieces. T-34, bought by Shoigu for parades! Their humor is farmer!
          1. Machito
            Machito 24 October 2020 10: 28
            0
            I remember in Donbass the IS-3 was removed from the pedestal and sent to the front. We only have so many tanks in the form of monuments that it will be enough to roll half of Europe into asphalt.
          2. Simon
            Simon 26 October 2020 12: 27
            +2
            The T-34 is a tank of victory in the Great Patriotic War and let this living symbol take part in parades. There is nothing like that in the west, but our descendants will still see these living exhibits. Although we still have something to show off to the West about new developments, which they still do not have in sight. tongue wink
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 23 October 2020 14: 30
          +7
          Quote: Dead Day
          "Russia can arm itself with the T-34": how the author of the National Interest manipulates figures about the tank fleet of the Russian Armed Forces
          don't give a damn about these "clickers" .... let them ...

          Have sunk ... A blogger with a speaking, mind you, the name of the tank potential evaluates. Not a military expert, not a general staff officer (at least a former one), but a BLOGER, Karl!

          And why doesn't he write about beauty and fashion? No, it's up to the tanks to count ... Let the penguins in Antarctica count. Or in the Arctic - it's the same for him ...
        3. venik
          venik 23 October 2020 17: 33
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          don't give a damn about these "clickers" .... let them ...

          =======
          drinks Moreover, the author's "surname" speaks for itself: Peter Suciu (Peter Suciu) !!! belay
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 23 October 2020 11: 27
        +6
        Let's not remember the vehicles that are on storage ... and yes ... someday the T-72 will pass like a Victory tank ... but this hack will not know about it. )))
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 October 2020 12: 03
          -15 qualifying.
          ... someday the T-72 will pass like a Victory tank

          Interesting fantasy. What kind of war is expected?
          1. Simon
            Simon 26 October 2020 12: 34
            +1
            And the war is already going on a political-economic one, first against the USSR, and now against Russia. The West surrounds the Russian state with its bases even in the post-Soviet space.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 October 2020 12: 40
              -2
              Well, it goes, so what? Are you already expecting a victory parade on which the T-72 will crawl past the festive stands? Are you sure there will be a reason?
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 October 2020 11: 28
        +4
        Quote: dorz
        What the author sees the catch is not clear

        The fact that the tanks are in storage, this Suchiu Peter does not consider tanks
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 23 October 2020 13: 01
          12
          Quote: Piramidon
          This Suciu Peter does not consider tanks

          He's a big Suciu and also Peter. That says it all.
      4. Hermit21
        Hermit21 23 October 2020 11: 50
        +8
        Dap-Dap for the Americans? Less than one and a half thousand in SV and NG
        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3741180.html

        On the contrary, Russia has more, 4-5 thousand
      5. Lyokha Lokhavich
        Lyokha Lokhavich 23 October 2020 12: 01
        +7
        Russia currently has 22 tanks. 000 of them are modified for modern warfare, and 6 is the second wave ... that is, when all electronics and communications are castrated, 000 will appear on the field, etc. ... and with 16 without auxiliary electronic help will not be easy to handle
      6. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 24 October 2020 02: 44
        +2
        one more ... sometimes it's amazing when people read the text and see something else ... tanks in storage are also WORKING as you put it. every year, during the exercise, vehicles are specially removed from storage and, when they are brought into combat readiness, they are shown at what speed this is done. so your numbers, even American ones, are wrong at all. combat vehicles yes. there are about 3000 thousand of them. and at least 10000 in storage in the states of just under 3000 combatants and at least 3500 in storage. but you think of their machines in storage as combatants.
      7. EvilLion
        EvilLion 26 October 2020 08: 49
        0
        The same wiki lists 10288 released "Abrams". Some were sold, some were burned down (a variant was delivered to someone and burned down, like, for example, 140 vehicles transferred to Iraq), some were drowned by American mechanized drivers, who are no worse off than ours. Some of the early production cars may have simply been decommissioned. Wiki writes about "775 M1A1 SA, 1609 M1A2 SEPv2 (over 3500 M1 / ​​M2 in storage) [74] and 447 M1A1 in ILC, as of 2017". Angloviki gives about the same numbers, excluding the location of vehicles in the warehouse, or in units with 8100 tanks transferred to the American army for the entire time.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 23 October 2020 12: 16
      +8
      Quote: figvam
      The usual underestimation of the enemy.

      the standard statement about the "Colossus with feet of clay" (with such expressions the preparation for the world massacre begins), Napoleon, Kaiser, Hitler and other lemongrass with the Turks were convinced of this, as a result, practically all of them received "mustal" with a parade in their capitals, for with the exception of Constantinople, London and Washington - but there will be a parade over time ...
      1. swnvaleria
        swnvaleria 23 October 2020 12: 47
        +6
        in London and Fashington, we probably don't need to hold parades, there will be a lot of radiation there
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 23 October 2020 18: 20
          +6
          Quote: swnvaleria
          in London and Fashington, we probably don't need to hold parades, there will be a lot of radiation there

          Nitsche, in the OZK we go under:
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 October 2020 10: 52
    14
    A good enemy article.
    Helps to release tension.
    Why should they be afraid now?
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 23 October 2020 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      A good enemy article.
      Helps to release tension.
      Why should they be afraid now?

      It all depends on what actions this "news" of our enemies will push.
      If they relax and stop scaring themselves with Russia, stop sleeping with an ax under their pillow, then this is a good article.
      But if, in the joy that Russia is now "unusually weakened", they decide that it is time for them to gather together and go with axes "to solve the Russian question," then I do not even know how to evaluate such articles.
  3. RealPilot
    RealPilot 23 October 2020 10: 52
    +7
    Journalists are looking for hot topics ...
    Without understanding them, and often without even wanting to!

    Profession costs laughing
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 23 October 2020 10: 52
    +6
    Peter Suciu, whose material was published by the American edition of The National Interest.
    "You can't put a scarf on every mouth." Let themselves be izgolyatsya, he will also pay money for it.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 October 2020 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Peter Suciu (Peter Suciu), whose material was published by the American edition of The National Interest.
      "You can't put a scarf on every mouth." Let themselves be izgolyatsya, he will also pay money for it.


      What is the name, such is the article ... yes
  5. AML
    AML 23 October 2020 10: 53
    12
    It was the first year of quarantine. On the second, there will be a shortage of UFO combat units, on the third, that Russia owns only one galaxy.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 11: 05
      +4
      Quote: AML
      On the second, there will be a shortage of UFO combat units, on the third, that Russia owns only one galaxy.

      on the Death Star, Andropov again, in a binge ... how terrible it is to live.
  6. deniso
    deniso 23 October 2020 10: 53
    +3
    By the way, the Czech Republic is in no hurry to change their T-72s in the army. First, the Abrams and Leopards cost insane amounts of money, including exploitation. And secondly, the T-72 has an amazing supply for modernization. Of course, Armata cannot be reached, but it is quite enough for Leopard or Leclerc. Although the T-72 is morally outdated, in many ways it is a brilliant tank that will be relevant in 20 years.
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 October 2020 10: 54
    12
    He still, to his horror, did not count the monuments! And with those T-34-85, IS, and SU, we can arm a couple of divisions!
    Fortunately, these cars drive into the pedestal on their own! am
    1. ghby
      ghby 23 October 2020 11: 04
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      He still, to his horror, did not count the monuments! And with those T-34-85, IS, and SU, we can arm a couple of divisions!
      Fortunately, these cars drive into the pedestal on their own!

      Tyuyu, this year we have two T-80s on pedestals, one in the center of the city, the second at the entrance of the plant that made them. True, they say that they have been demilitarized.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 23 October 2020 11: 08
        +3
        So I looked at the list later. According to Mother Russia and BMP are, and BMD, and MTLB, Shilki, Tunguska ...
        Again, the new tanks you indicated.
        In general, even a motorized rifle brigade with an art battalion can be naskebsti! laughing
        1. Warrior-80
          Warrior-80 23 October 2020 11: 51
          +1
          Likewise, there is darkness on the memorials for aviation, we have a moment of 21, so you can assemble several air regiments yes
        2. ghby
          ghby 23 October 2020 14: 26
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          According to Mother Russia and BMP are, and BMD, and MTLB, Shilki, Tunguska ...

          In our courtyards this is what was standing, now I don't know if it's worth it ..




      2. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 23 October 2020 11: 22
        +1
        so the hole in the barrel is not long and weld ...
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 October 2020 11: 19
      -4
      Leader, this is a common and rather cheap rhetorical trick - knowing our, to put it mildly, specific attitude to the T-34, poke sarcasm into this tight-knit symbol. The metaphor with the T-34 is rather stupid, but it hurts many for a living. Which was pursued.
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 11: 19
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      He still, to his horror, did not count the monuments! And with those T-34-85, IS, and SU, we can arm a couple of divisions!
      Fortunately, these cars drive into the pedestal on their own! am

      only need to repaint, the current authorities do not bother with color.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 23 October 2020 11: 31
        0
        And in some colors it can even be worse! laughing
        The adversaries will run away, as from the Odessa "no"!
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 October 2020 11: 34
        -1
        Quote: Dead Day
        just need to repaint

        maybe wash it to the "native" paint? laughing
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 23 October 2020 12: 20
          +1
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Quote: Dead Day
          just need to repaint

          maybe wash it to the "native" paint? laughing

          duck prices are not Christian for "solik" then ... but a mulberry-tank. request "special means" again ... the paint is probably lost from the Soviet remnants. you will wash it off, out of the blue ...
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  9. deniso
    deniso 23 October 2020 10: 58
    +4
    Is Peter Suciu the American equivalent of the "outstanding" "military" "analyst" Pavel Felgenhauer? The quality of the analysis is very similar ... lol
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 11: 39
      +1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Is Peter Suciu the American equivalent of the "outstanding" "military" "analyst" Pavel Felgenhauer? The quality of the analysis is very similar ... lol

      "do not read American newspapers before dinner ..." Preobrazhensky. (C)
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 23 October 2020 12: 29
        +1
        read more articles by Dave Majumdar on toshchak - you will immediately sign up for a gastroenterologist and a psychiatrist. yes
  10. meandr51
    meandr51 23 October 2020 10: 58
    +2
    This is our agent. His task is to leave the Pentagon without tanks.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 12: 12
      0
      Quote: meandr51
      This is our agent. His task is to leave the Pentagon without tanks.

      well, if so ... the small-shavens finally decided to abandon tanks, seeing that in Karabakh ...
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 October 2020 11: 03
    +4
    Houthis do not burn T-72 with cardboard boxes. Unlike Abramov
  12. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 23 October 2020 11: 04
    -1
    the number of tanks is quite sufficient, but the level of their modernization, indeed, does not correspond to modern threats, it is not for nothing that at one time there were plans to supply several thousand armatures to the troops, but the lack of money made its own adjustments, and now everyone pretends that everything is normal , they say we were going to do so
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: _Ugene_
      several thousand armatures,
      duck, it seems, by the mercy passed ... almost, one did not do it. and so all the rules, and those almost two dozen that are on the "state" supposedly, too, so-so, business travelers got bored ...
      1. MinskFox
        MinskFox 23 October 2020 20: 54
        +1
        Where does the information about "so-so" come from?
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 October 2020 20: 56
        0
        Everything was fine at the parade, it was stalled at rehearsals.
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 October 2020 11: 06
    +2
    NI is such a publication, a lot of shouts, priest and articles of controversial value. A sort of hybrid of jaundice and some kind of more or less digital analytics. We are very fond of referring to him - they say that's what the bourgeoisie write, that's what they think! And in fact, there are immigrants from the USSR at the helm who simply have their own niche on the hype and stale topic.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 23 October 2020 11: 12
    +5
    Why did copy-paste of frank delirium often appear on VO?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 23 October 2020 11: 16
      +4
      I would answer ...
      But after my last comment about Bayrak, as about manure, they dipped me into the same manure ... laughing
      hi
    2. Gado
      Gado 23 October 2020 12: 08
      +3
      I'm surprised too. And these articles continue to be published with enviable consistency, although they are not even worth the time we spend reading them. Maybe this is easier for the authors, there is no need to invent anything, just translate everything in a bunch.
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2020 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Why did copy-paste of frank delirium often appear on VO?

      duck give money for a letter! wassat
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 13: 41
      -1
      Did she disappear?
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 October 2020 21: 01
      0
      Suffice it to recall the delusional article of two co-authors, who often publish here, that appeared on the site the other day, about the refusal of privatization in China, based on materials from a satirical site of fake news. And after all, users of the site were led to this bullshit, warmly supported the "return" of the PRC leadership to truly communist principles. Moreover, people, in principle, reasoning quite adequately on other topics, were also led.
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  16. Mouse
    Mouse 23 October 2020 11: 18
    +3
    Why doesn't he juggle the numbers in the US tank park ... recourse
    Although it is more than true, there will be manipulation with the opposite sign ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 23 October 2020 12: 45
      +2
      Ha! yes, they don't even have a factory, the fact that "Abramov" were produced
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 October 2020 11: 19
    0
    Peter Suciu... publication of The National Interest
    That's what Suciu is, so that from the "whole soul" a bucket of slops.
    There are also T-34 tanks, which showed themselves pretty well at recent parades.
    Dirty American it is not clear what origin is trying to bravely mock. On this occasion, in Russia they say: "The bug is small, but it stinks."
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 23 October 2020 12: 48
      +3
      "Small bug, yes smelly"

      What they pay for, about that and stinks ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 October 2020 21: 02
      0
      The surname is similar to Romanian.
  18. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 23 October 2020 11: 20
    +1
    Bloggers, for information, be it even complete crap, do not bear any responsibility. This, as it is written here "famous blogger", published his opus on the tape. ru, did not call for extremism, did not insult anyone personally, in a word, did not commit any illegal actions. Wrote and published. Someone picked up this information and made some conclusions of their own. Now what? Start a storm in a teapot on this?
    On VO, sometimes, there are very interesting informative articles, but no one in the West studies or discusses them. This is bad. On the other hand, it may be for the best.
    Imagine, on The National Interest in all seriousness they parse not good, but a hundred times ridiculed and spattered articles from VO? Me not.
  19. Shuttle
    Shuttle 23 October 2020 11: 27
    +1
    Article about article.
    Yes, the bugger has made something hot, the magazine-headline writers sold the "news" to the consumers-headline readers. And woo-a-la! Clickbaits, rhubarb-sharing, budgeting - petty!
    Here is just the result of all the activity - the production of CO2 and SO4
  20. pereselenec
    pereselenec 23 October 2020 11: 29
    10
    Long ago I noticed such a tendency in VO: someone's bunch is taken from a marginal third-rate publication, or even from social networks, and retold here under dramatic titles such as: "ALARM IN THE WEST", "DISCUSSED IN CHINA", " POLAND COMMENTED ".

    Who is it for?
  21. ufpb
    ufpb 23 October 2020 11: 31
    +1
    Let them think so - "the Russians have no tanks." They know less, sleep better.
  22. HAM
    HAM 23 October 2020 11: 32
    +2
    It turns out interestingly: the Americans from all their irons are broadcasting about "aggressive Russia", which constantly threatens to attack the "democratic" west, and, under this noise, they themselves are moving closer. .... Where is the logic? .... Although, they do not need it .... you cannot praise yourself, so no one will knock down ....
    ON THE SOFA TANKS COUNTED ..... well, well .......
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 23 October 2020 12: 21
      -1
      I think about it myself. It looks like Peter Suciu (in tune with you understood me) Robespierre Putin, or even worse: another NKVD spy, was sent to lull the vigilance of the Pentagon and the CIA
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 23 October 2020 13: 07
      -1
      I just think that Peter Suciu is a "sent Cossack" or VV was sent or another NKVD agent. Who was hiding under McCarthur.
      And if she did not. Interestingly, a lot of our scouts were exposed then and another question: except for Rosenberg, no one died? Perhaps who owns the information?
      However, this is on the "branch" History translates
  23. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2020 11: 36
    +2
    It is unclear what prompted the author to come to these conclusions - incompetence as a journalist or a desire to make PR on high-profile conclusions.

    Both
  24. 501Legion
    501Legion 23 October 2020 11: 38
    +2
    still listen to these idiots from the Internet. pfff
  25. Alien From
    Alien From 23 October 2020 11: 46
    +1
    The author has forgotten about the balalaika))))))
  26. Lyokha Lokhavich
    Lyokha Lokhavich 23 October 2020 11: 57
    0
    Russia has 22 tank military parks .... 000!
  27. Ulysses
    Ulysses 23 October 2020 11: 58
    +3
    Hey, admins, don't turn the resource into a latrine for any slag ..
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      23 October 2020 17: 31
      0
      defending altyn
  28. vladcub
    vladcub 23 October 2020 12: 13
    -1
    I suspect that National-interest is some wrong magazine. After all, everyone knows that the Soviets, and now the Russians, are preparing to attack the chaste nun day and night by the Neanderthals. True, this nun forgot about chastity back in a thousand shaggy year, and there are so many "beautiful things" hidden under her skirt and bosom that mommy don’t cry
  29. Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 23 October 2020 12: 14
    0
    Some kind of LitRPG and not a magazine, they will write so soon that the Russians have no resurrection points
  30. avdkrd
    avdkrd 23 October 2020 12: 29
    0
    Western analysts have real schizophrenia, they can not determine, Russia is a gas station armed with rusty old stuff or a power with a weapon head and shoulders above the West.
  31. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 October 2020 12: 40
    +2
    The well-known blogger altyn73 posted his calculations regarding the state of the tank fleet of the RF Armed Forces. Based on open sources, he gave a list of tank battalions with a layout of the MBT type. Additionally, I took into account the arsenal of equipment on the balance sheet of educational institutions.
    The total staffing of all combat units listed above is 2685 vehicles. The total number of new and modernized tanks (produced in 2000 and later) in combat units is about 1200 units, or about 45 percent of the total

    - the said blogger concluded.

    It is most likely about the article "Review of the state of the tank forces of the Russian Armed Forces."
    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1437693.html
    The tank industry has sharply accelerated the pace of modernization of old machines. If in 1998-2010. about 150 T-72B and T-80U tanks were updated to the level of T-72BA and T-80UE-1, then in 2011-2020. supplies to the troops amounted to more than 600 T-72B3 tanks, more than 300 T-72B3M tanks and more than 60 T-80BVM tanks. After a ten-year hiatus, deliveries of new cars were resumed.
    The total staffing of all combat units listed above is 2685 vehicles. The total number of new and modernized tanks (produced in 2000 and later) in combat units is about 1200 units, or about 45 percent of the total.

    The problem is that the numbers in the article do not match industry statements about the supply of more than 1000 T-72B3 (first version) at the end of 2019.
    1. Aag
      Aag 23 October 2020 13: 50
      0
      hi First informative comment ...
    2. Eugene-Eugene
      23 October 2020 20: 11
      0
      no, you are wrong, B3 are fighting - this is beyond the altyn's calculations
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 October 2020 20: 25
        0
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        no, you are wrong, B3 are fighting - this is beyond the altyn's calculations

        I was referring specifically to Altyn's article.
        See for yourself.
        Altyn's:
        in 2011-2020 supplies to the troops amounted to more than 600 T-72B3 tanks, more than 300 T-72B3M tanks and more than 60 T-80BVM tanks.

        These are exactly supplies to the troops. Not the presence in combat units, but the total number of vehicles supplied to the RF Armed Forces for 2020.
        And at the same time, the industry said that already in 20196 it had upgraded more than 1000 T-72B3 for the army.
        Answering the question, how many T-72s have already been upgraded to the T-72B3 level, Sienko said that "about a thousand."
        © Army-2016
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          23 October 2020 22: 14
          0
          There is a statement by Shoigu about the number of MBTs that have undergone modernization ... The numbers are beating, but somehow crooked.
  32. Volder
    Volder 23 October 2020 13: 33
    0
    Tanks in the USA can be ignored at all, because in a threatened war period, they will not be able to be transferred to Europe (our long-range aircraft and submarines will hunt for UDC and AUG), and if they can, then a little and not promptly. It should also be borne in mind that the list of military equipment in European countries is very different from the actual presence in combat readiness. The payroll can be safely divided by 2. The combat readiness of combat tanks in Russia exceeds 90%, and in storage in warehouses - at least 50% (see the transfer "Military acceptance").
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 October 2020 15: 05
      +3
      Quote: Volder
      Tanks in the USA can be ignored at all, because in a wartime threatened period they will not be able to be transferred to Europe (our long-range aircraft and submarines will hunt for UDC and AUG)

      Our long-range aviation has long and firmly hammered into work on AUG. She took the cars from the MPA and is now engaged in purely native Air Force tasks.
      Our submarines ... are all 5 or 6 combat-ready? So they still have their SSBNs to protect.
      And even if SSNS / SSGNs are allocated to the Atlantic, they will still need to break through the enemy ASW in the person of the 6th Fleet (East Atlantic), 2nd Fleet (West Atlantic) and the fleets of the US NATO allies.

      By the way, if our long-range aircraft and submarines will hunt UDC and AUGthen who will sink ships with tanks? wink They will not be transported on aircraft carriers and UDC, but on the ships of the Shipping Command.
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        23 October 2020 20: 08
        0
        The main thing is the release of cruisers, nothing has changed
  33. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 October 2020 14: 03
    +1
    As always, NI sculpts any cranberry to order. It is at least imprudent to speak of his "affiliates" as journalists. These are the same journalists, like our sofa experts, who now suffer from prolongation at school, and in the evenings they write about anything from diets to nuclear energy. So you can laugh and forget.
  34. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 October 2020 16: 48
    +1
    If, God forbid, a specific war begins between NATO, Russia and the rest of the participants, then at the beginning T72 and Abrams will fight, and at the end T34, T54, 55, etc. It seems that someone recently counted on their technical excellence and super duper tanks, and the simple T34 and Shermans won.
  35. razved
    razved 23 October 2020 21: 15
    +1
    It's very good that they have such "anal" ichiks, they will listen to them, then, if anything, there will be a surprise ... laughing
  36. Split
    Split 23 October 2020 21: 19
    +2
    What can I say su ... chio ... Dogs bark - the caravan goes (s)
  37. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 24 October 2020 13: 15
    -1
    The American girls do not understand one thing: in the next war, EMP means will be widely used. And all their electronic stuff will become a heap of scrap metal. UAVs, planes and other nishtyaks can also become trash ...