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“Can there come a time when Russia in Karabakh will take one of the sides?” - journalists asked the vice-president of Turkey

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Presidents of Russia and Turkey



The journalists asked the Vice-President of Turkey Fuat Oktay whether such a moment can come in the armed conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan in Karabakh, after which the Russian Federation will definitely take one of the parties. At the moment, Russia is trying to act as a neutral state, a mediator, advocating an early cessation of hostilities on its southern borders.

Turkish Vice President's answer to the question asked:

We hope that the conflict will not escalate to the extent that Russia intervenes. Our political leaders are in constant contact. We cooperate with Russia on all major issues. The channel for the exchange of views between Presidents Recep Erdogan and Vladimir Putin operates in a 24 by 7 format.

Fuat Oktay noted that there are some issues on which Ankara and Moscow have “slightly different positions,” and immediately added:

But we have much more areas in which we cooperate, in which we can work and work together.

The Vice President of Turkey recalled Ankara's “unequivocal position”. According to him, it lies in the fact that Turkey is ready to provide Azerbaijan with any assistance, including military, at the request of Baku. At the same time, Oktay noted that "he hopes that no third country will interfere in the conflict."

Oktay was also asked about Ankara's position on the Cyprus problem. The Turkish vice-president noted that Ankara is ready to consider the scenario of the federalization of Cyprus - "so that the interests of its Turkish population are also taken into account."
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 22 October 2020 08: 25
    +7
    At the same time, Oktay noted that "he hopes that no third country will interfere in the conflict."

    He is the "Third Country". So I would sit quietly and not pump. Better to take your freaks back to Syria. Our aviation is waiting for them there.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 22 October 2020 08: 33
      +5
      Quote: Pereira
      He is the "Third Country".

      Quite right, moreover, this is the side that pushed, armed and commands the first side.

      "Could there come a time when Russia in Karabakh will take one of the sides?"

      Russia has its OWN side and this side does not need Turkey and its Islamist terrorists right on the southern border of Russia.
      1. MTN
        MTN 22 October 2020 09: 02
        -5
        Quote: Olgovich
        Russia has its OWN side and this side does not need Turkey and its Islamist terrorists right on the southern border of Russia.

        Armenians think differently :)

        1. Kart
          Kart 22 October 2020 09: 34
          +2
          For normal people it is obvious that some really want to drag Russia into this.
          And Russia again did not come to the war.
          This should be obvious even to propagandists from both sides, even here, on VO,
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 15: 03
            0
            Quote: Carte
            Russia again did not come to war

            He won't come a few more times, and there will be no need to come again - the war itself will come to Russia. It is much wiser to accept combat on the distant approaches to your borders than inside them.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 October 2020 09: 04
        -3
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quite right, moreover, this is the side that pushed, armed and commands the first side.

        And also created. trained and armed 100 army of SNA terrorists who are now in Karabakh.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 22 October 2020 08: 37
      +5
      We can only defend the territory of Armenia itself, which is what we are doing. Armenia itself does not recognize the NKR.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 22 October 2020 08: 44
        +6
        Legally, NKR is a part of Azerbaijan. How can Russia pacify a country that wants to return the lost territory? And Armenia should not interfere at all, there are no territorial claims against it.
        1. fif21
          fif21 22 October 2020 09: 31
          -9
          Quote: Deniska999
          Legally NKR is a part of Azerbaijan

          Remember your words when Ukraine will "squeeze" Crimea. Legally, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. request
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 22 October 2020 09: 36
            +8
            Quote: fif21

            Remember your words when Ukraine will "squeeze" Crimea. Legally, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. request

            In what parallel universe is this scenario possible? laughing
            In Our World, if you try to "squeeze out" Crimea, the non-state called Ukraine will disappear on the world map.
          2. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 22 October 2020 09: 36
            +7
            Quote: fif21
            Quote: Deniska999
            Legally NKR is a part of Azerbaijan

            Remember your words when Ukraine will "squeeze" Crimea. Legally, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. request

            Let the squeezer grow, then we will remember. For some reason I think that Ukraine will not last so much so that the wringer grows. And the comparison is incorrect. We legally recognized Crimea as ours. If they want to go back, let them declare war. Let's laugh ...
          3. Deniska999
            Deniska999 22 October 2020 10: 04
            +4
            Did Armenia recognize NKR or annex it to itself?
          4. lelik613
            lelik613 22 October 2020 18: 34
            +1
            Legally, Russia is the legal owner of all these lands conquered by the blood of Russian soldiers and bought for Russian money. And while she is counting on a drop of prudence from all this circus of monty python who consider themselves "rulers of sovereign states."
          5. Airdefense
            Airdefense 23 October 2020 12: 40
            +1
            Russia "did not hesitate" to recognize Crimea as its territory, for which it received sanctions and lives with it, Armenia wanted to act more cunningly, but in the end they outsmarted themselves.
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 15: 10
          0
          Quote: Deniska999
          How can Russia pacify a country that wants to return the lost territory?

          Georgia, in its time, returned so much - that it still pisses at night. And then the guys were much more serious than some Turks behind the Georgians.
          We included Karabakh in Azerbaijan. Who gave - he took.
          The question is not “right”, but desire and benefit.
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 22 October 2020 08: 49
        +2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        We can only defend the territory of Armenia itself, which is what we are doing. Armenia itself does not recognize the NKR.

        Quite right. In Karabakh, Russia definitely has nothing to do, all our allied obligations within the framework of the CSTO concern only the territory of Armenia. We can help diplomats, provide a platform for negotiations, but no more. Well, let them figure it out for themselves!
        Interesting part of the statement on the Federalization of Cyprus! It's a pity there is little information on this issue.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 09: 03
          +2
          Quote: Hunter 2
          In Karabakh, Russia definitely has nothing to do, all our allied obligations within the framework of the CSTO concern only the territory of Armenia.

          Ours have already indicated their presence on the border of Armenia and NKR. There is a photo with Russian Flags.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 22 October 2020 09: 06
            0
            Quote: LiSiCyn

            Ours have already indicated their presence on the border of Armenia and NKR. There is a photo with Russian Flags.

            Let them stay there! Greetings hi
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 09: 12
              +3
              And ours, to you ... hi
              Pashinyan called everyone under arms, so let's see how much they love their homeland.
              The Azerbaijanis have already turned north towards Lachin. If the Armenians have not prepared a new line of defense with all sorts of surprises, then they can slowly begin to surrender.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 22 October 2020 09: 20
                +4
                Quote: LiSiCyn

                Pashinyan called everyone under arms, so let's see how much they love their homeland.

                Now is not 41 years old, the number of volunteers will most likely only increase the number of victims. Pashinyan needs to shake the diaspora for banknotes and the inclusion of the Armenian lobby. Money is the blood of War, it is both Weapons and Professionals.
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 09: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Pashinyan needs to shake the diaspora for banknotes

                  If every Armenian donates at least 1000 rubles, it will already be a huge amount. If we take the "foreign" Armenians, then for them $ 13, not money at all.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 22 October 2020 10: 51
                    +6
                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    Quote: Hunter 2
                    Pashinyan needs to shake the diaspora for banknotes

                    If every Armenian donates at least 1000 rubles, it will already be a huge amount. If we take the "foreign" Armenians, then for them $ 13, not money at all.

                    Alexey and Stas, welcome!
                    1000 rubles multiplied by 10 million Armenians of the diaspora - it turns out 10 billion rubles
                    Or 120 million tanks
                    About nothing, have already collected more
                    1. LiSiCyn
                      LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 11: 01
                      +2
                      Greetings! hi
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Or 120 million tanks
                      About nothing, have already collected more

                      Those beyond the hillock can even throw off one hundred meters. And this is already another amount at once. Again, there would be a desire ... Armenia could already buy strategic missile carriers. The question is, who would sell her? what
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 11: 03
                        +3
                        This is a billion euros))
                        Missile carriers at Armenian distances? laughing yes, it's easier to buy all sorts of OTRK with the same effect
                      2. LiSiCyn
                        LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 11: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        yes, it's easier to buy all sorts of OTRK with the same effect

                        Here ... And dropping them from missile carriers. winked
                        But seriously, Armenians need time. And they have it sorely lacking.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 11: 29
                        +3
                        Where? They will reach Baku anyway))
                        Armenians need to sit down with Aliyev at the negotiating table, make some third party a guarantee of the NKR's security after the transfer to Azerbaijan as a very broad Armenian autonomy
                      4. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 22 October 2020 11: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: LiSiCyn

                        But seriously, Armenians need time. And they have it sorely lacking.

                        You also need money and a well-thought-out defense strategy. The Command staff should be changed accordingly.
                    2. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 22 October 2020 11: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      This is a billion euros))

                      Albert, does Israel trade weapons under gray schemes through third countries? Heard nothing?
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 11: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      This is a billion euros))

                      Albert, does Israel trade weapons under gray schemes through third countries? Heard nothing?

                      Naturally, like all manufacturers))
                      But it is very expensive and, as a rule, nothing new is sold this way. Mostly old stuff - up to Soviet or Russian-made trophies. The newest is the ATGM Kornet taken from Hezbollah. Armenia can take all this in white and cheaper. New items - they will not pull and today hardly anyone will sell them to them.
            2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 15: 30
              0
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              If every Armenian donates at least 1000 rubles, it will already be a huge amount.

              The number of Armenians is estimated at 12 million. If you chip in on 1 tr, you get 12 billion rubles. It's just:
              8 SU-34,
              or 10 "Shells"
              or 100 T-90

              Excluding the cost of ammunition, excluding the cost of training crews, etc., etc. In a word, the course of the war will not change. But if, for example, 10 tr. chipped in, or even more, but not today, but the day before yesterday - then the conversation, no doubt, would have been completely different.
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 22 October 2020 14: 31
            +3
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Now is not 41 years old
            It's right (!!!).... in 41 probably a wounded Armenian, he pulled out a wounded Azerbaijanian (and vice versa too), from the battlefield ... (!) Grandfathers.... it was about the same in 81-85 in the mountains of Afghanistan ... (!) Fathers.... interesting, that in 2020 happened to their grandchildren? !!! have degenerated ?!... Instead of living together in Karabakh (as in the USSR, before the early 90s), and commemoration with the pride of ancestors, they on someone else's money, with joy, and shouts of patriotism and THEIR RIGHTdo not hesitate to cut each other (!). .. on their own land, to the delight of foreigners ?!.
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 October 2020 09: 54
    -2
    Quote: Hunter 2
    In Karabakh, Russia definitely has nothing to do

    And how I agree with you Turkey, with might and main operating there!
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 22 October 2020 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      Quote: Hunter 2
      In Karabakh, Russia definitely has nothing to do

      And how I agree with you Turkey, with might and main operating there!

      Olgovich, you love history, but history always repeats itself. In all the clashes between Russia and Turkey, the result was the same. The Turks lost their Army, Navy, Lands and influence. The Armenians themselves do not recognize Karabakh, on what basis should Russia interfere in this conflict? We have already given information above that the Russian military took up positions on the border of Karabakh and Armenia. This is where they should stay.
      Well, personally, if you have a desire to fight for Karabakh, you can sign up as a volunteer, Pashinyan accepts everyone, not understanding one thing - while he showed Russian figurines and rode on the Maidan, the Azerbaijanis qualitatively changed the army.
      The Armenians have only one way out, to carry the War to the mountains, nose to nose, where air superiority is not so critical, to drag out the War until winter - increasing the number of 200-300 to an unacceptable number for Azerbaijanis. Collect money from their diasporas and buy weapons - capable of qualitatively resisting the technical superiority of Azerbaijanis.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 22 October 2020 18: 11
        -2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Olgovich, you love history, but history always repeats itself. In all the clashes between Russia and Turkey, the result was the same. The Turks lost their Army, Navy, Lands and influence. The Armenians themselves do not recognize Karabakh, on what basis should Russia interfere in this conflict? We have already given information above that the Russian military took up positions on the border of Karabakh and Armenia. This is where they should stay.
        Well, personally, if you have a desire to fight for Karabakh, you can sign up as a volunteer, Pashinyan accepts everyone, not understanding one thing - while he showed Russian figurines and rode on the Maidan, the Azerbaijanis qualitatively changed the army.
        The Armenians have only one way out, to carry the War to the mountains, nose to nose, where air superiority is not so critical, to drag out the War until winter - increasing the number of 200-300 to an unacceptable number for Azerbaijanis. Collect money from their diasporas and buy weapons - capable of qualitatively resisting the technical superiority of Azerbaijanis.

        For some reason, Turkey DOES care about Artsakh: they give money and send their own people (special forces and specialists), etc.

        "Turaki", apparently, yes ...

        Only the "clever" non-interventionists do not need anything - neither the South Caucasus, nor the North: apparently, near Moscow they will only find weighty reasons for their intervention
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 22 October 2020 22: 04
      0
      https://youtu.be/NhmIRLDajkg?list=TLPQMjIxMDIwMjBWQ_GbcsWyEg
  • Victorio
    Victorio 22 October 2020 09: 17
    +5
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    We can only defend the territory of Armenia itself, which is what we are doing. Armenia itself does not recognize the NKR.

    ===
    so the Russian Federation does not recognize the LDNR
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 22 October 2020 09: 31
      +3
      Quote: Victorio
      so the Russian Federation does not recognize the LDNR

      So the question we have is not so acute. It was first necessary to "saturate" these territories with Russian citizens by issuing passports and citizenship. At the moment, in the event of the start of full-scale hostilities, the issue of recognition will be resolved quickly. As well as rendering any help.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 22 October 2020 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: Victorio
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      We can only defend the territory of Armenia itself, which is what we are doing. Armenia itself does not recognize the NKR.

      ===
      so the Russian Federation does not recognize the LDNR

      The balance of forces between Azerbaijan and Armenia is one thing, but between Russia and Ukraine is another. The question is in the capabilities of the parties.
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 22 October 2020 10: 31
    -2
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    We can only defend the territory of Armenia itself.

    And the presence in the ranks of the Azerbaijani army of natives of BV is an excellent reason provided to our Armed Forces to intervene if something happens. If suddenly events take on an uncontrollable character.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 22 October 2020 09: 23
    +4
    I do not understand both parties to the conflict - they are "played", and not even in the dark. None of the beneficiaries of this mess hide their goals. And Azerbaijanis, like children, rejoice in every village, which no one needs the fuck.
    1. il-z
      il-z 22 October 2020 11: 10
      +2
      IMHO for the inhabitants of Azerbaijan it is (to return these territories) almost at the level of religion, a sacred duty - you could say that. And religion is beyond logic and common sense. I think in the same way as for many Japanese "northern territories" have acquired some "sacral" meaning as a result of many years of brainwashing.
      Of course, these serial documentaries from the battlefield, posted on the Internet by both sides of the conflict, leave a depressing impression, each artillery or air strike is followed by the n-th number of killed, maimed or wounded people, the tragedy of their families, etc.
      It seems that the Caucasus is large, but the peoples living there all the time cramped ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 22 October 2020 12: 33
        +1
        The problem is that all the cream from this mess will be given to others, the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan will be left with corpses and cripples. I do not blame or excuse anyone
  • iouris
    iouris 22 October 2020 10: 02
    -3
    Quote: Pereira
    I'd rather take my freaks back to Syria. Our aviation is waiting for them there.

    And what prevents to work in the Transcaucasus?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 October 2020 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: Pereira
      I'd rather take my freaks back to Syria. Our aviation is waiting for them there.

      And what prevents to work in the Transcaucasus?

      Why spoil your relationship with someone? Even if there are mercenaries from Syria, believe that they will be the first to be abandoned to storm the mountains. Pure mathematics - less people, less money. They are used as consumables for opening Armenian firing points. Many of them will not remain after that.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 22 October 2020 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: Pereira
      I'd rather take my freaks back to Syria. Our aviation is waiting for them there.

      And what prevents to work in the Transcaucasus?

      The official position of the Armenian authorities, which do not want to ask for help from the Russian Federation, which is a bit strange. It seems that Pashinyan is deliberately dumping Karabakh in order to then take Armenia to the West.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 22 October 2020 12: 36
        0
        If Pashinyan does so, then he is a "political corpse" - forever. Russia will intervene when Pashinyan writes "a statement of his own" and a pro-Russian politician comes in his place
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 22 October 2020 08: 25
    +2
    "We hope that the conflict will not escalate to the extent that Russia intervenes."
    Good answer.
    In essence, the recognition of Russia's right to intervene in a certain situation.
    I wonder how realistic the scenario of the federalization of Cyprus can be.
    "The Turkish Vice President noted that Ankara is ready to consider the scenario of the federalization of Cyprus -" so that the interests of its Turkish population are also taken into account. "
    1. novel66
      novel66 22 October 2020 08: 41
      +5
      about Cyprus - politically correct chatter
    2. the finish
      the finish 22 October 2020 08: 46
      +2
      What about the federalization of the AR itself with the interest of Karabakh, Lezgins, Talysh?
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 22 October 2020 08: 53
        +2
        Federalization of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
        A very interesting point and option.
        Perhaps more will be considered.
        It depends on how things will be on the fronts of Karabakh.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 22 October 2020 09: 24
          +1
          Yeah, taking into account the interests of Iran.
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 22 October 2020 10: 05
            +2
            Please explain Nikolay. hi
            What is Iran's interest?
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 22 October 2020 12: 46
              +2
              Iran's interest lies in the fact that in the Iranian provinces Zap. and Vost. Azerbaijan, there are many Azerbaijanis. There are no exact numbers, but it is said about millions of people. There are certain separate sentiments fueled by Baku. Somewhere they wrote that emigrants from there even wanted to hold parliamentary elections and create a government in exile, with its subsequent recognition. But it didn't come to that. Iran's interest is to weaken Azerbaijan as much as possible, and ideally, to have a president in Baku, who will deal with the problems of Azerbaijan and not enter the adjacent territories. Tehran does not like Turkey getting into these problems. The IRGC was transferred to the border. If Iran sees a favorable situation, they may strike. I read on the Internet that the Persians have already inflicted artillery strikes on the positions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, and that Baku is removing troops from the NKAO and transferring them to the south. But so far, no one has confirmed it, but neither has it been denied. Therefore, everything can be and the consequences can be the most unpredictable
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2020 11: 00
        +3
        Quote: finish
        What about the federalization of the AR itself with the interest of Karabakh, Lezgins, Talysh?

        I think Aliyev will not mind if Armenia goes to negotiations and stipulates the inclusion of the NKR in Azerbaijan by Federalization)). For him, it will be a victory and an opportunity to make a broad gesture to the national minorities of his country for participating in the war on the side of Baku.
        1. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 24 October 2020 00: 11
          +1
          If the Armenian "forces" do not remain there, the Armenians will not remain there either.
          Federalization, a guarantee - it would work in the Donbass if Kiev fulfilled "Minsk". There is no "interethnic" conflict in Ukraine. There, an ethnic Ukrainian can easily walk around Donetsk (and speak Ukrainian) and Russian around Lviv (and speak Russian)
          Here is an example of interethnic relations between Azerbaijanis and Armenians on YouTube.
          "Love" is mutual. It won't work here. They will squeeze out all the locals, if not immediately, then quietly. And Aliyev does not care about his image in front of the West. There will be no sanctions. Nobody cares.
          Well, maybe the European Union and the states will throw some money for refugees to arrange, and even then not much.

          Maybe I'm wrong, but I think so.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 24 October 2020 00: 31
            0
            As for the sanctions, already 50 democrats have submitted to the Congress for sanctions against Azerbaijan. Most likely, it will not dig in the Senate because of the republican majority, but this is the first involvement of the Armenian lobby in the States)).
            1. Nasdaq
              Nasdaq 24 October 2020 00: 44
              +1
              Sorry, I wanted to say there will be no serious economic sanctions.
              If the locals are squeezed out, they will be banned from entering the key security officials and those involved in squeezing out officials into the EU and the United States. Maybe they will stop selling weapons for 5-10 years. Not more. Ato and less, business all the same.
              But they will not restrict the supply of equipment for oil and gas to freeze the state's accounts (Azerbaijan has more than 50 billion international reserves).
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 24 October 2020 00: 59
                +1
                Even funnier:
                https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
                It is planned to introduce direct sanctions against Aliyev, the leadership of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense and the leadership of the ground forces and the Azerbaijani Air Force for violating human rights and using prohibited means of warfare, such as cluster munitions. The shelling of a Christian cathedral in Shusha (the same one during which military commander Yuri Kitten was wounded) is separately mentioned.
                At the current stage, it is the individual sanctions for all of the above that are proposed, which are unlikely to cause significant damage to the Azerbaijani economy, but will indicate the hegemon's displeasure with what is happening.

                The main thing is that a precedent has already been created - the Armenians have begun to lobby for something in favor of their national home)).
  • nnm
    nnm 22 October 2020 08: 28
    +8
    One question regarding Russia's participation - "WHAT FOR"?
    To pour your blood on unwillingness to prepare your string for defense?
    To show how generous we are and have forgotten how in the 90s both these countries slaughtered Russians and survived from their territory?
    What would fit between the interests of Soros and Erdogan?
    What would then again these sides in a couple of years screaming at us about what kind of occupiers we are and dreamed of a night of long knives?
    To show that we do not notice how the Russian language, Russian TV, Russian schools were banned in these republics?
    .
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 22 October 2020 08: 32
      +7
      Whatever the outcome, Russia will be guilty for what it did and triple for what it didn’t. They will also demand compensation. Wait.
    2. passerby
      passerby 22 October 2020 08: 33
      +5
      I agree 100 percent. Let them figure it out among themselves.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 22 October 2020 09: 26
      0
      Russia does not have to send infantry there; it can help, as in Syria, by air strikes. Russia's interest is to replace Pashinyan with a pro-Russian politician.
    4. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 24 October 2020 00: 55
      0
      Be more careful on the "turns". Center E does not sleep (who knows, he will understand).
      This is me about the night of long knives and the massacre.
  • Ren
    Ren 22 October 2020 08: 31
    -2
    It is necessary to create an independent Transcaucasian Democratic Federal Republic under the protectorate of the Russian Federation, consisting of:
    1. Armenian Republic,
    2. Nagorno-Karabakh Republic,
    3. Nakhichevan Republic,
    4. Azerbaijan Republic.
    With the subsequent entry of the Georgian Republic.
    A protectorate in the form of a supreme governing body under the leadership of the Russian Federation can also be formalized in the form of a triumvirate of the Russian Federation, Turkey and Iran. wassat
    1. Ren
      Ren 22 October 2020 08: 43
      -1
      The capital is Nakhichevan.
    2. HAM
      HAM 22 October 2020 08: 48
      +2
      And why do we need these freeloaders? You've probably forgotten how they projected themselves in the Union ....
      1. Ren
        Ren 22 October 2020 08: 53
        0
        Quote: HAM
        And why do we need these freeloaders? You've probably forgotten how they projected themselves in the Union ....

        And no one is going to contain them, only military bases wink
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 22 October 2020 09: 17
          -2
          And without content, they don't agree. They all need a master to drink sweetly, feed them nourishingly, scratch behind their ears, and if anything, they could pull them out with a whip .. Otherwise they cannot ..
    3. MTN
      MTN 22 October 2020 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: Ren
      It is necessary to create an independent Transcaucasian Democratic Federal Republic under the protectorate of the Russian Federation, consisting of:

      it happened before. THE USSR. Thanks to Gorbachev, he flunked everything and made everyone an enemy. So that he burns in hell.
    4. Pereira
      Pereira 22 October 2020 09: 05
      +2
      But what about the Talysh and Lezgin republics?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 October 2020 08: 35
    +3
    Well, God forbid. The choice is not the easiest one. On the one hand, Azerbaijan, with its attraction to Turkey, on the other, Pashinyan Armenia. And Pashinyan is still a Russophobic infection.
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 October 2020 09: 39
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      And Pashinyan is still a Russophobic infection.


      Follow the line to the end - this is the USA ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 22 October 2020 08: 41
    +2
    So, in general, this is the ultimate goal of the collective West, to drag Russia into the conflict, and then save democracy in Baku, which the Russian barbarians encroached on, to take part in the conflict with a clear conscience.
  • MTN
    MTN 22 October 2020 08: 50
    +2
    I have said many times that this conflict has been discussed with Putin to a thread. In this region, I even beg your pardon to fart without the knowledge of Russia is impossible.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 22 October 2020 08: 56
      +4
      Negotiated about the "red lines".
      Everything else is at the mercy of the parties to the conflict.
      We are ready to kill ourselves and bring our countries to poverty.
      Forward to the minefield.
  • HAM
    HAM 22 October 2020 09: 00
    +2
    Quote: Ren
    Quote: HAM
    And why do we need these freeloaders? You've probably forgotten how they projected themselves in the Union ....

    And no one is going to contain them, only military bases wink

    It does not happen. Even the Americans realized that just the base is expensive, the natives are trying to squeeze out all sorts of goodies for these bases ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 October 2020 09: 24
    +1
    The channel for the exchange of views between Presidents Recep Erdogan and Vladimir Putin operates in a 24 by 7 format.
    Kohl 24 hours 7 times a week, why did Erdogan not discuss with the GDP the issue of Turkey's direct participation in the conflict, and even in the region of our interests? So I really wanted to present Russia with a "surprise".
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 October 2020 09: 37
      +1
      They thought that Russia would not notice, and when the surprise was made it would be too late, but it did not work out very quickly ...
    2. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 25 October 2020 15: 26
      -1
      Kohl 24 hours 7 times a week, why did Erdogan not discuss with the GDP the issue of Turkey's direct participation in the conflict, and even in the region of our interests? So I really wanted to present Russia with a "surprise".

      What makes you think that they did not agree in advance?
  • Alexander Suvorov_2
    Alexander Suvorov_2 22 October 2020 09: 34
    -3
    The Duma has already allowed the landing of the Russian troops in the NKR ... the issue has already been resolved (on the sidelines)
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 22 October 2020 09: 40
      +2
      The Duma only thinks that it is deciding questions. The Kremlin decides. And the Kremlin is silenthi
      1. Alexander Suvorov_2
        Alexander Suvorov_2 22 October 2020 09: 46
        -1
        I mean, the Kremlin has already decided everything)))) The Duma is not independent and we all know that)
        1. Alexander Suvorov_2
          Alexander Suvorov_2 22 October 2020 16: 10
          0
          https://m.gazeta.ru/army/news/2020/10/22/15115633.shtml
  • cniza
    cniza 22 October 2020 09: 36
    +1
    Oktay was also asked about Ankara's position on the Cyprus problem. The Turkish vice-president noted that Ankara is ready to consider the scenario of the federalization of Cyprus - "so that the interests of its Turkish population are also taken into account."


    What's this ? Turkey starts bargaining ...
  • iouris
    iouris 22 October 2020 10: 26
    0
    By the way, we must once again ask what are our national interests.
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 22 October 2020 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    He is the "Third Country" ... Our aviation is waiting for them there.

    And he understands this - and he reads it between the lines. Therefore, they help at the most with information, arms supplies and "volunteers."
    Oktay was also asked about Ankara's position on the Cyprus problem. The Turkish vice-president noted that Ankara is ready to consider the scenario of the federalization of Cyprus - "so that the interests of its Turkish population are also taken into account."

    But this is more interesting. The fact is that the Turkish population from Cyprus has been living there for almost half a century. And the solution to the issue by exile will not add peace to the planet. And the fact that Turkey is ready to consider the issue of federalization of Cyprus, i.e. the unification of its Greek and Turkish parts within one state - under the supervision of Greece and Turkey, respectively, is already a good sign. Officials of this rank simply do not say anything. It seems that consultations with the Turkish side could also touch upon the issue of resolving the status of Northern Cyprus: Turkey is in any case interested in having a minimum of problems and enemies in order to increase economic power and expand its influence, since at this stage, they are unable to compete with Russia and the United States.
  • Bilal
    Bilal 23 October 2020 12: 41
    -1
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    Quote: Hunter 2
    In Karabakh, Russia definitely has nothing to do, all our allied obligations within the framework of the CSTO concern only the territory of Armenia.

    Ours have already indicated their presence on the border of Armenia and NKR. There is a photo with Russian Flags.


    Sorry, but not "NKR" but Azerbaijan ... And even more so not Armenia, but Russia))) I applaud the subtle hints of Russian diplomacy in the form of a flag.
  • Bilal
    Bilal 23 October 2020 12: 52
    -1
    Quote: TermNachTER
    I do not understand both parties to the conflict - they are "played", and not even in the dark. None of the beneficiaries of this mess hide their goals. And Azerbaijanis, like children, rejoice in every village, which no one needs the fuck.


    Sorry, but maybe you don’t need to fuck ... But we really need it. You can spend hours debating about "it is necessary - it is not necessary". But the native land (read - MOTHERLAND) does not understand this. She's either yours or not ...
  • Bilal
    Bilal 23 October 2020 13: 04
    -1
    Russia, figuratively speaking, has already supported one of the parties. And this side is "TRUTH". We have been trying to achieve this for about 30 years. And finally V.V. Putin openly announced this at the Valdai Forum. For which I thank him and all the Russians in general ...