Turkish drones are not affordable for everyone: the French press on the high cost of attack UAVs

Ankara is actively promoting the products of its defense industry, in particular drones, which became the "calling card" of the Turkish military-industrial complex during the latest escalation in Karabakh. However, are potential customers ready to purchase such expensive products?

Ankara is conducting a rather aggressive PR campaign, trying to make its drone drone "war heroes". The Azerbaijani side is apparently actively promoting this. At least, the advertising of the products offered by Ankara is facilitated by individual official statements, for example, the words that only Turkish drones inflicted damage on the enemy in the amount of $ 1 billion.

However, it is not noticeable that following the popularization of their products, Turkish UAV manufacturers managed to expand their client base. There is only interest in the guided munitions with which drones are armed.

Countries such as Indonesia and Tunisia [...] have a high demand for the purchase of "smart" miniature ammunition MAM-L [weight 22 kg] and MAM-C [weight 6,5 kg] - the main weapons systems installed on Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles

- explained on October 19 in the Turkish company Roketsan.

The reason for the low demand for drones themselves is their high cost, which is not affordable for all potential customers. So, as the French edition of Africa Intelligence explains, Tunisia, which ordered six Anka-S complexes (each with two UAVs), was forced to terminate the contract in September due to the fact that it could not find the necessary funds: the price of the agreement was about $ 80 million. Indonesia is also not going to buy UAVs from Turkey, but only ammunition for them, hoping to create its own unmanned strike vehicle.

Comments

[A. Privalov]

War, in general, is an expensive thing.

[Ka-52]

War, in general, is an expensive thing.

especially if as a result of it you lose your country as an independent state.

[EnGenius]

That is why the growth in sales of relatively "cheap" UAVs will lead to an increase in sales of very expensive integrated air defense systems around the world. Indeed, in the presence of attack UAVs on both sides of the conflict, the side that has good air defense will win. So let the countries compete in the export of UAVs - Russia has already lost the most "cream", the main thing for itself is to adopt and adopt reliable BPA. And you need to look to the future and negotiate the supply of air defense for export. Moreover, as a result of the war in Syria, some of the systems have already been modernized for the tasks of combating UAVs.

[Alexey from Perm]

the result is not yet unambiguous.

[unhappy]

It was cheap when one tribe fought with another tribe (but everyone was proud and free). Then knights and heroes appeared with expensive weapons and protection, the majority of the population were no longer proud and not very free, some of them became slaves. True, those who have strength, woe to the vanquished, if you want peace, get ready for war ... corny

[Megatron]

They don't take Anka, even if they fork out for Petka!

[DAQ]

Chinese drones are the best selling.
Good value for money.
Multi-billion dollar orders annually.
The choice of models is richer than in the USA
In general, the Chinese rule in this market

CH-5 does not match the ripper in characteristics, but clearly surpasses the traitor. Of the chips: 6 suspension points, up to 24 high-precision ammunition takes for 1 flight.
Turks are not competitors to the Chinese. The Turks are more likely to be engaged in production for their own needs, there is almost no export.

[Nychego]

Quote: Nasdaq

CH-5 does not match the ripper in characteristics, but clearly surpasses the traitor. Of the chips: 6 suspension points, up to 24 high-precision ammunition takes for 1 flight.

... and is definitely inferior to Bayraktar in terms of the area of ​​the image intensifier (more precisely, it surpasses many times in absolute terms, but the image intensifier is like this: the smaller the better).
Bayraktar showed itself exactly as a balanced machine for a local conflict.

Let's see what we can get from Indonesia - a really developing country with a very good development potential.

[lucul]

.and is unequivocally inferior to Bayraktar in terms of the area of ​​the image intensifier (more precisely, it surpasses many times in absolute terms, but the image intensifier is like this: the smaller the better).
Bayraktar showed itself exactly as a balanced machine for a local conflict.

Bayraktar in any case will yield to Caliber, although Bayraktar is more expensive)))

[DAQ]

The Chinese have cheaper and smaller drones.
As strange as it may sound, today in this market competition is rather not between countries, but between Chinese manufacturers.
The Americans really tupanuli: at first they did not want to sell the ancient MQ-1 traitor to anyone, they sold it only as a reconnaissance vehicle, without weapons. Only then did they begin to push their allies. As a result, even the Saudis ordered 300 pieces (plus tons of ammunition) in China, and even with the localization of production.
In general, most of the United States' Middle Eastern allies are armed with Chinese drones.
Perhaps 10 years ago, the United States did not think that the Chinese "could"

[Professor]

Quote: Nasdaq

As strange as it may sound, today in this market competition is rather not between countries, but between Chinese manufacturers.

Not at all. The Chinese are far from being the leaders in this market. They are only trying to copy, theirs is not yet there.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Nasdaq

The Turks are more likely to be engaged in production for their own needs, there is almost no export.

First of all, their army and the armies of the closest allies are saturated. There is still not enough resources to do for oneself and for selling.
Yes, and they sell for a lot.
For his army 2-3 million for 1 Bayraktar, for export 4-5 million. This is without ground control points (there are 3 for 6 aircraft), training, weapons, service, etc.

[Nychego]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

for export 4-5 million. This is without ground control points (there are 3 for 6 aircraft), training, weapons, service, etc.

Well, Tunisia was offered 13 million of evergreens for a set of 2 UAVs, plus a PU.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Unrealistic numbers, like those written in the article.

Tunisia, which ordered six Anka-S complexes (each with two UAVs), was forced to terminate the contract in September due to the fact that it could not find the necessary funds: the price of the agreement was about $ 80 million.

Here are the real ones:

The Ukrainian side nevertheless signed a contract worth $ 69 million for the purchase of two Bayraktar TB2 reconnaissance and attack unmanned aerial vehicles manufactured by the Turkish private company Baykar Makina. The delivery will include six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, two ground control stations and 200 guided missiles (apparently Roketsan MAM-L). The price also includes a set of spare parts, service support and training of personnel.

[donavi49]

You are confusing warm and soft.

Anka is done by TAI - it's like the UAC. That is, mega-production, which rivets from helicopters and airplanes to quadcopters for panoramic shooting of cottage areas. Plus, the UAV itself is of a higher class than TV2.

Seljuk makes cheap, mass-produced and consumable battlefield UAVs. The same class as the Iranian Shahid129 or the junior CH3 of the Chinese. It is, of course, cheaper, since commercial cooperation (we buy parts from someone cheaper, on the world market) and in general the devices are simpler and lighter.

Its expensive trump card is a new heavy-class UAV. Which is already on trial. There the price tag will be higher than that of Akshugur from TAI. But Akinchi's characteristics are also impressive.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I do not confuse. Therefore, I am writing six Anka-S complexes (each with two UAVs) for 80 million unrealistic price. I'm sure of the price I indicated for TB2.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Nasdaq

The Turks are more likely to be engaged in production for their own needs, there is almost no export.

First of all, their army and the armies of the closest allies are saturated. There is still not enough resources to do for oneself and for selling.
Yes, and they sell for a lot.
For his army 2-3 million for 1 Bayraktar, for export 4-5 million. This is without ground control points (there are 3 for 6 aircraft), training, weapons, service, etc.

The main thing here is to be creative.

After Azerbaijan deployed the Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 attack unmanned aerial vehicles to strike at the territory of NKR and Armenia, Russia unexpectedly launched its unique weapons, which were impossible to detect, and in less than 48 hours it destroyed 9 Bayraktar attack drones TB-2 worth about $ 8-10 million.



According to sources, after Turkey's provocative actions with the flights of Bayraktar TB-2 attack drones near the Russian military base in Gyumri, Russia was forced to resort to placing the Krasukha-4 complexes on constant alert, which were involved in the genocide of Turkish drones. forcing the latter to fall directly onto the territory of NKR and Armenia.

https://avia.pro/news/no-fly-zone-rossiyskoe-superoruzhie-unichtozhilo-uzhe-9-tureckih-bespilotnikov-vsego-lish-za-48

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Turkish drones are not affordable for everyone: the French press on the high cost of attack UAVs

It turns out that Ukraine is not a completely poverty-stricken state, since it can afford Turkish UAVs.

[Koval Sergey]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

It turns out that Ukraine is not a completely poverty-stricken state, since it can afford Turkish UAVs

It's just that the priorities are different. First, war + curtsey to the current partner (Turkey), and social sphere and everything else are secondary.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Sergey Koval

It's just that the priorities are different. First, war + curtsey to the current partner (Turkey), and social sphere and everything else are secondary.

I forgot to add "(srkzm)" at the end of my comment.

[Gate68]

To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear

[rotmistr60]

trying to make their attack drones "war heroes". This is apparently actively promoted by the Azerbaijani side.

Not apparently, but directly cooperates, praising and showing the destruction of enemy equipment. It is enough to read the comments on the VO of regular Azerbaijani propagandists who suddenly and immediately appeared to understand this. But these outpourings and vows of love, friendship, "one people - two countries", sewing two national flags into one already causes natural nausea. Azerbaijan licks Erdogan in such a way that he becomes even more belligerent and frostbitten with pleasure.

[Ganja]

It’s like you’re so angry with Erdogan, or you don’t really understand that Azerbaijan was waiting for understanding from the Russian side for a long time, and in Azerbaijan they didn’t close Russian schools, don’t muddle everything Russian, fulfill all obligations in all agreements with the Russian Federation, appreciate the relationship with Russia not from for being afraid of something, simply because it has been so for decades. Those Russians who are free of Armenian propaganda understand perfectly well that nothing bad is expected from Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians who have changed their masters more than once, which is very clearly demonstrated by the past four decades.

[meandr51]

It is quite possible that it is more profitable for Russia to keep Armenia "in a black body" through cooperation with Azerbaijan.

[DAQ]

The link is a Chinese / Saudi drone strike against the Houthis. https://youtu.be/q35gwX8Q11A
Old model CH-4

[OgnennyiKotik]

Through this button, you can make the video show, and not be a link. More comfortable.

[voyaka uh]

Large-scale production in China.
In Turkey - small batch.
Accordingly, the price of the Chinese is lower.
The most precious thing about these drones is electronics and optics.
Details: wings and fuselage can be printed on hundreds of 3-D printers 24 hours a day

[Dikson]

Details .. on the printer .. yeah .. yes we still have shells for missiles and torpedoes with wooden mallets to mind)))

[Vadim237]

In your parallel universe, it can and do.

[Archivist Vasya]

Anka-S is expensive and sophisticated, but Bayraktar is quite a good combination of price and quality for local showdowns that have been going on here and there lately.

[113262a]

Whatever one may say, non-brothers actively fly on Bayraktars in Donbass, they can be clearly seen behind the river, a healthy barn! They patrol, not reaching the front end of 4-5 kilometers. The OSCE does not touch them, they are based in Severodonetsk at the airfield.

[Old26]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Yes, and they sell for a lot.
For his army 2-3 million for 1 Bayraktar, for export 4-5 million. This is without ground control points (there are 3 for 6 aircraft), training, weapons, service, etc.

Well, selling for cheap is at a loss. Everybody does it. The same "Caliber" for the Russian consumer costs 0,8 million dollars, and for the Indian EMNIP it is twice as expensive

[OgnennyiKotik]

Here's how to trade Turks don't need to be taught rather, the question is in the mass production, the needs of your army and paramilitary structures need to be satisfied, the closest allies, then the rest dearly. In the next year, I think the price will drop and start selling in large quantities. Advertising is rife.

[DimDimych]

Quote: Nasdaq

Turks are not competitors to the Chinese. Turks are more likely to be engaged in production for their own needs, there is almost no export

Anadolu Agency:

Azerbaijan in September became Turkey's main importer in the defense and aviation industries, the Turkish Exporters Union (TİM) reported.
Turkey's exports in September amounted to $ 16,013 billion, which is 4,8 percent more than last year, and 28,5 percent more than in August.
Exports of the defense and aviation industry in January-September fell by 17 percent - to $ 1,521 billion.
In September, it grew by 80 percent compared to last year and 58,7 percent compared to August - up to 281 million 582 thousand dollars.
The share of aviation and defense industry exports in Turkey's exports is 1,9 percent.
Azerbaijan became the main importer of Turkey in September - $ 77,167 million. It is followed by Oman - 62,974 million, the United States - 62,077 million, India - 15,673 million and Germany - 14,588 million.
Over the past nine months, the United States has become the main importer of the defense and aviation industry - $ 531 million 107 thousand.

[lvov_aleksey]

blah blah blah!!! normal specialists understand that the Russian Federation will never sell advanced technologies! That is, the rubbish on the Internet about our air defense is a duck.))) More precisely, I will say (I repeat) - the problem is in the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat (as the driver voiced) !!!!