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The project of the fifth generation nuclear submarine "Kalina" received the number 777A

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The project of the fifth generation nuclear submarine "Kalina" received the number 777A

The fifth generation non-nuclear submarine Kalina under development will be of low tonnage. This is stated in the annual report of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).


The fifth-generation Kalina nuclear submarine project was numbered 777A, according to the USC report, it is designing a small-tonnage submarine of the Kalina 777A project. In addition, the corporation continues work on technical re-equipment in order to create the production of systems, component equipment, devices and mechanisms for the non-nuclear submarine Kalina.

In early September of this year, the head of the USC, Rakhmanov, said that the corporation continues to work on the fifth generation submarines of the Kalina nuclear submarine and the Husky nuclear submarine. At the same time, he stressed that the work is being carried out on an initiative basis.

Nobody canceled these projects. We are continuing to develop them as part of what can be done proactively. There was part of the work that was paid for by the Ministry of Defense, part of the work is now continuing on its own initiative

- said the head of USC.

The Kalina submarine is being created to replace the Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarine currently in service. The submarine is being developed by the Rubin design bureau. The submarine should receive an air-independent power plant, at what stage the work on this topic is still not reported.

In 2017, it was reported that the program for the construction of fifth-generation non-nuclear submarines was included in the state armament program. Development work on Kalina should be completed by 2025.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 20 October 2020 16: 21
    -2
    The fifth-generation Kalina nuclear submarine project received the number 777A

    So the matter is moving.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 20 October 2020 16: 25
      +2
      The fifth generation non-nuclear submarine Kalina under development will be of low tonnage. This is stated in the annual report of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

      Low tonnage, among other things, will not be achieved by using a one-and-a-half-hull boat design?
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 20 October 2020 23: 47
        +3
        Quote: BDRM 667
        Low tonnage, among other things, will not be achieved by using a one-and-a-half-hull boat design?

        Judging by the cut, yes!
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 21 October 2020 07: 48
          +3
          Quote: ZEMCH
          Judging by the cut, yes!

          Asking this question, I just proceeded from the photo of the submarine layout available in the article yes
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 20 October 2020 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: figvam
      So the matter is moving.

      Exactly. More projects, good and different. It would be better to please with the adoption of new technology.
      1. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 20 October 2020 16: 58
        -12 qualifying.
        Again, "news" in the future conjugation ... Given the "success" of VAZ "Kalina", to call the submarine project by that name .... well .... let's say, "not kamilfo", like: as you call the ship, so it is ... that ... will float (or in this case, dive) ...
        1. venik
          venik 20 October 2020 18: 06
          0
          Quote: Kuzya the Cat
          Given the "success" of VAZ "Kalina", to call the project of the submarine by that name .... well .... let's just say, "not kamilfo"

          ========
          Yes, at least call it a pot ..... If only the project WILL HAPPENED!
        2. Pechkin
          Pechkin 20 October 2020 18: 16
          +2
          But what difference does it make how they call even yogurt, even an ocean destroyer. The main thing is to take the project of a new boat, bring the naval suit (it’s the navy, not the lobby) to working order and put it into production, on which our submariners will serve and perform the assigned tasks en masse.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 October 2020 18: 33
          +4
          Quote: Kuzya the Cat
          "news" in the future conjugation...

          Colleague, these are verbs conjugated, and they are more and more news from the future to the present abide! yes
          If you don't believe me, then consider this:
          "Yesterday Today was Tomorrow!" (from) laughing
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 20 October 2020 19: 38
            -4
            You are thinking dangerously.
            and what happened then the day before yesterday from the day before yesterday?
        4. ANDREW1987
          ANDREW1987 20 October 2020 20: 17
          10
          In vain you rivet on "Kalina" (car) ... I've been driving for more than 5 years - of the problems, only one "cricket" in the cabin. There are no thoughts and knowledge of your own - so you scratch with your tongue, misconceptions heard somewhere. And what about the Kalina submarine - everything will work out too, I'm sure!
          And, by the way, for the illiterate: not a kamilfo, but a komilfo!
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 21 October 2020 14: 45
            +1
            For their money, the 1st generation Kalina car was just a bomb. Salvation for a poor population. Synergy 93rd and Oka, = Kalina-Universal, unpretentious and more inside than outside. These are now all sorts of Kalina-crosses - expensive children of marketing that have unreasonably increased in price. And about the 777A submarine will become clear only when it is clear what exactly it will carry with its "small size". In any case, an air-independent installation is a necessary step forward.
        5. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 20 October 2020 23: 52
          +5
          Quote: Kuzya the Cat
          Again, "news" in the future conjugation ... Given the "success" of VAZ "Kalina", to call the submarine project by that name .... well .... let's say, "not kamilfo", like: as you call the ship, so it is ... that ... will float (or in this case, dive) ...

          VAZ Kalina, more than 5 years old, in the countryside without any complaints!
          Well, "camilfo" is mistakenly written "comme il faut", because from the French comme il faut! laughing
        6. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 21 October 2020 20: 47
          0
          they wrote nonsense .. with the same success it is impossible to name ANYTHING, because there is a "bad example" .. and yes, Kalina was produced for 14 years in quantities of 950 K machines ... yes, "terrible car")
      2. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 21 October 2020 12: 21
        +1
        Yes, it's a great project, but it's just a project. And where is the promised VNEU ??? sad
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 16: 21
    +8
    Nobody canceled these projects. We are continuing to develop them as part of what can be done proactively. There was part of the work that was paid for by the Ministry of Defense, part of the work is now continuing on its own initiative
    You can say whatever you want, but the situevina with VNEU looks shameful.
    1. vVvAD
      vVvAD 20 October 2020 16: 23
      +2
      A submarine with VNEU is definitely needed. And a project like Varshavyanka is ideal for testing VNEU technologies.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 21 October 2020 02: 34
        0
        I would like to. But for some reason, the project to create non-nuclear submarines with anaerobic power plants is closed.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 21 October 2020 20: 47
          0
          one closed-the other opened-work is underway
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 20 October 2020 17: 45
      +1
      Yes, probably faster, a compact nuclear reactor for VNEU will appear. Although "Piranha" from VNEU was presented last year. They promise by 21-22 years. build. https://rg.ru/2019/07/11/reg-szfo/podlodku-s-vozduhonezavisimoj-energoustanovkoj-predstavili-v-peterburge.html
    3. dzvero
      dzvero 20 October 2020 17: 59
      +5
      and the situevina with VNEU looks shameful.

      The Japanese seem to have abandoned Stirling in a new project (it was on topvar two or three days ago). Diesel and many, many batteries. Similar German submarines, it seems, are also not quite on the move. Most likely not a "cursed place" or "hands from under the waist", but more prosaic - a stone flower does not come out at the current level of technology ...
    4. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 20 October 2020 23: 57
      +5
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      You can say whatever you want, but the situevina with VNEU looks shameful.

      In the Soviet fleet, the existing VNEU were used back in the 60s - the submarine of pr. 615, the only one considered to be in operation, stands in our school in Pushkin in the form of a laboratory, with a working power plant.
      VNEU did not justify itself, the underwater speed is small, there are many risks and difficulties. We need to find more innovative solutions than we are doing)))
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  4. rocket757
    rocket757 20 October 2020 16: 33
    +3
    Aha, laid down ??? And what will comrade say to this .... the Minister of Finance with his used brothers?
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 20 October 2020 16: 40
      +4
      He will say - cut. This is all superfluous. And so Washington owes tribute for three years.
    2. marchcat
      marchcat 20 October 2020 16: 41
      0
      Surely this is a luxury for the Russian army. This is the accountant who is imposed on the country.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 October 2020 16: 46
        +2
        In general, we'll see ... if we don't forget by the time the project was planned to be implemented.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 20 October 2020 19: 40
        0
        and impose the country.


        -that's on this platform, imposed on time, the country keeps afloat.
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 20 October 2020 23: 52
      0
      Didn't you hear what Min Fin said today? it would be necessary to cut the army by 100, cut the development of seniority, the length of service is different, too early apartments are given to young officers ... a lot of what Sin Fin said.
      https://m.vz.ru/news/2020/10/20/1066269.html
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 October 2020 05: 07
        +1
        It seems like about 10 talk, it seemed, was going .... although, this is no longer important, everything else accompanying is ENOUGH FOR ALL !!!
        When the managerial economists-accountants begin to steer in the state, you can start writing a requiem and not delay this business, it will be needed SOON !!!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 October 2020 16: 38
    +7
    Only yesterday there was an article about the refusal of the Japanese to use VNEU and the transition to lithium-ion batteries.
    Well ...
    1. Kart
      Kart 20 October 2020 16: 56
      +4
      So ...
      The training manuals have not yet been brought up, so they continue to cry about the shame without VNEU.
      Tomorrow they will start doing the same for the batteries.
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 20 October 2020 16: 38
    +2
    I remember that recently they wrote on VO that things are bad with us with VNEU ....... and here you see what news ...
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 20 October 2020 16: 49
      +5
      We simply did not follow the outdated Stirling and decided to develop our own, and this, alas, takes longer than copy-paste
  7. Pechkin
    Pechkin 20 October 2020 17: 07
    +7
    Give a series of new boats instead of new projects. As much as possible in the navy to be engaged in projecting. One project is not perfect, give a new one and so on, and that paper will endure. And be sure to 25-30. Like Khuja Nasreddin, that once argued with the Emir of Bukhara, who will teach his donkey theology so that the donkey will know him no worse than the emir himself. It takes a wallet of gold and twenty years of time. If he does not fulfill the conditions of the dispute head off the shoulders. Nasreddin is not afraid of imminent execution: After all, in twenty years, one of the three of us will surely die, either the emir, or the donkey, or me. And then go and figure out who knew better theology.
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 20 October 2020 18: 10
      +1
      Why is the fleet worse than space?
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 20 October 2020 18: 15
        0
        Well, here, unfortunately, yes.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 20 October 2020 18: 13
      -1
      Quote: Pechkin
      Give a series of new boats and not new projects.

      DO NOT confuse designers with shipbuilders.
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 20 October 2020 18: 35
        0
        I can agree, but if the project does not go. Look at what the problem is, you cannot design anything without communication with the suppliers of the components of your project. Otherwise, you are designing a spherical horse in a vacuum.
  8. rudolff
    rudolff 20 October 2020 17: 19
    10
    Fifth generation? Even my slippers laughed! And what will be in it that is not in the boats of the fourth generation? And where is our fourth generation? The only Lada St. Petersburg, which has not yet been accepted into the combat composition of the fleet due to its unsuitability and which is still in trial operation? A project that Rubin managed to screw up even without VNEU? I don't even want to remember VNEU, the Mongols will develop their own faster or the Belarusians. It would be better to keep silent about the fifth generation, they would not look so stupid. A desperate attempt to rectify the situation with Lada and still make his own NAPL. The fourth, but not the fifth generation. In the hope that by the end of the ROC and the beginning of technical design, at least some kind of VNEU, or LIABs, will appear.
    But regarding the displacement, the question is interesting. It is not clear what is meant and what is being compared with. Lada, aka Amur-1650, and so much less in / and Halibut / Varshavyanka. Perhaps this will be a revised project of Lada. Then it will be VNEU at EHG. But the even smaller Amur-950 can be taken as a basis, then there is an option with a closed-cycle Malachite turbine.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 October 2020 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      Fifth generation? Even my slippers laughed! And what will be in it that is not in boats of the fourth generation? And where is our fourth generation?

      Rudolph, hello! drinks
      As Arkady Isaich said: - "The question, of course, is interesting ...." (c)
      A couple of thoughts on the matter.
      1. The fifth generation (we were told) should bear the NPA! to have an unauthorized ASBU, to have a 360 * "outlook" in passive mode and to "listen" to the whole okiyan-sea on infrasound ... I don't remember that we have grown up to that ... Yeah, really! recourse
      2. Our "quasi 4th generation" stands on the modernist style in St. Petersburg ... What other cities are attributed to Faberge's namesake - that is, a terrible ... military ... secret ... It would be nice to move the underwater passage without air in They shoved him in ... Maybe it would have turned out tady ... So far - some riddles, guesses ... Already the coffee grounds are over!
      3. Lazurites with a turbine stir up ... Here are just vague doubts to gnaw at me: is Stirling 4 times louder than the EHG, then at once the TURBINK will have the voice of the DSa !? Maybe ours, like amas, switched to stockings instead of panels-panels? (Lightning-2)
      In short, in essence the problem and now there is no one to talk to ... only guesses and assumptions remained ... bully
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 20 October 2020 20: 15
        +3
        Good evening, buddy! Yes, what kind of dviglo there is without air, God forbid what is to make it work normally! It is just right to return to the electrical circuit of Varshavyanka and not disgrace further with this experimental operation.
        I don't know about the turbine. The very doubts are gnawing. The turbine is high-speed, it should sing in samples. The dog knows him! We once had experience in the construction and operation of submarines with Walter engines, even before lighters. They say Kurchatov himself came to see these turbines. But now the French steam generator MESMA is also equipped with a turbine, and for a submarine it is quite normal displacement. Maybe Malachite will succeed. I no longer expect anything good from Rubin.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 October 2020 20: 54
          +1
          Quote: rudolff
          French steam generator MESMA

          Rudolph, friend!
          The French are vulgar - a locomotive! Moreover, they took a lot from their nuclear-powered ships and space systems ... Why can't we do this? unclear...
          Ours decided to make a diesel locomotive ... it seems that such an AIP should be better in terms of efficiency. But something is not being danced ... It's time for Rosatom to join this problem as well. Perhaps the Sarov people will say their weighty word in this problem too?
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 20 October 2020 21: 11
            +6
            Yes, there is no time for fat, maybe I would live. Anything, but it's high time to give birth to something! Even an ECH on a fuel cell, even a Stirling, even a ZTs turbine, even traction LIABs, even a compact nuclear power plant, but at least something! We are already complete outsiders in non-nuclear submarine shipbuilding, so we risk burying all hopes!
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 20 October 2020 21: 43
              +1
              Quote: rudolff
              We are already complete outsiders in non-nuclear submarine shipbuilding, so we risk burying all hopes!

              The only hope is that the Strategic Missile Forces have already been rearmed by 70-80%. Now it's up to the fleet. Maybe that will get off the ground. Otherwise - an iron kaput! yes
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 20 October 2020 18: 36
    0
    You read science news, so almost every week about new batteries without lithium, without fire hazard, without degradation ... including here in Russia.
    And our submarines are like in the First World War on lead-acid batteries.
    Well, since mechanical VNEUs do not work out, they would have strained, but made normal batteries.
  10. garri-lin
    garri-lin 20 October 2020 19: 57
    -2
    With these VNEU all over the world, the best is the enemy of the Good.
    1. agond
      agond 20 October 2020 21: 09
      -1
      With a pedal drive, the same NAPL, at least clarify what is there
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 20 October 2020 21: 36
        0
        The fact that everything was bad with the pedal drive was clear a couple of hundred years ago. But with VNEU they still can't play enough. Technologies have not matured yet. Or noisy. Stirling Either dangerous. ECH. Either look for other options or wait for a breakthrough in batteries. Not in terms of capacity, but in terms of safety.
  11. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 20 October 2020 21: 28
    -1
    Will it be built or not, IMHO, the thirteenth thing. And the fact that research is going on in this area is very good.
    At the expense of the efficiency or generally the suitability of boats with VNEU, I will not spread my thoughts along the tree, since I am not a specialist in VNEU, as well as most of those who argue here on this topic.
    Something of these developments will probably come in handy sooner or later. Maybe they will even calculate everything and close it themselves, for hopelessness. Or maybe they will invent another air-independent AK-47. But in order to understand all this, we must plunge ourselves into this topic, and not be hypocritical, what works for whom and why we don’t have it. In other words, even if the result is negative, it will be the result. Not yet.
  12. Alf
    Alf 20 October 2020 22: 09
    +3
    received the number 777A,

    Good project name, very good. Those who are from the USSR will forever remember the magic combination of 777 or Three Axes. laughing
    1. CastroRuiz
      CastroRuiz 25 October 2020 19: 31
      0
      Dumayu, eto bilo kakoe to bukhlo. :)
      1. Alf
        Alf 25 October 2020 19: 38
        +2
        Quote: CastroRuiz
        Dumayu, eto bilo kakoe to bukhlo. :)

        It is immediately evident that you did not live in those great and happy times.
        laughing
        1. CastroRuiz
          CastroRuiz 25 October 2020 20: 30
          +1
          Da ya zhil. Mne vishshe 60 let.
          I pravilno ya vzpomnil shto eto bil alk. napitok.
          1. Alf
            Alf 25 October 2020 20: 40
            +1
            Quote: CastroRuiz
            Da ya zhil. Mne vishshe 60 let.
            I pravilno ya vzpomnil shto eto bil alk. napitok.

            drinks
  13. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 20 October 2020 23: 54
    0
    Again "Kalina" ?! What is, there are no other names or what? Those who named it, have tasted this berry, smelled it? Well, after all, frank shit ... it stinks and the taste is frankly for an amateur. Or on the principle "the more rotten, the more deadly for the enemy"? A numbered number, yes ... Like a showman in the capital ...
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 21 October 2020 11: 20
      0
      Would there be a "Cranberry"?
  14. silver_roman
    silver_roman 20 October 2020 23: 58
    -2
    VNEU is a good thing, but still they are far from perfect today. All the same diesel-electric submarines are coastal solutions. no VNEU will give speed like that of a nuclear submarine, and therefore there is nothing to do in the ocean. The same AUG order won't be able to catch up. and in the seas such as black and Baltic 636 is quite enough. I am sure that we have not yet made the VNEU of the German level, because this level does not meet the requirements of the fleet.
  15. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 21 October 2020 04: 31
    0
    And this project will run into the absence of VNEU.
    It would be better to first bring the engine (which they have not been able to bring since the 90s), and then the submarine was designed for it.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 October 2020 08: 22
    +2
    Already LiYON batteries began to be installed on diesel-electric submarines. It seems to me that this direction is cheaper than VNEU ..... and simpler.
    1. agond
      agond 21 October 2020 10: 01
      0
      It is not a question of creating a quiet engine with a stirring cycle of sufficient power for a submarine with a displacement of up to 2000 tons with heating, for example, from burning aluminum in water (although you will still have to have a supply of liquid oxygen on board, since hydrogen will be released during the reaction, and it is better to burn it), By the way, the price of 1 kg of aluminum at the non-ferrous metal acceptance point is close to the price of 1 liter of diesel fuel at a gas station. An external combustion heat engine for a ship is technologically simpler and more affordable in construction than a diesel, a vivid example, Erickson in 1853 for a sea ship. built a huge four-cylinder engine with a piston diameter of 4,27 m, a stroke of 1,52 m, a rotational speed of 9 rpm, and developed a power of about 220 kW (300 hp). the ship crossed the Atlantic, but it was an atmospheric engine, the high pressure stirring will be an order of magnitude less and an order of magnitude more powerful
  17. Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 21 October 2020 14: 16
    +1
    A strange name for a nautical theme ....
  18. Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 21 October 2020 21: 16
    +1
    One project failed. Now let's fail the new one. There is plenty of finance in the country.
  19. Romanenko
    Romanenko 22 October 2020 15: 17
    +1
    As a result, they will build something before the end of the century? There are many projects, little sense. We beat the drums loudly at presentations of layouts, open financing and ...
    We quietly stop work for an indefinite period.
    Lada so under a copper basin and rested, now is the turn of the new brand?
  20. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 25 October 2020 19: 33
    0
    Nu kak zhe "tri topora" poplivut. :)
    1. agond
      agond 30 October 2020 20: 10
      +1
      If in project 615 a steam engine were installed instead of a diesel engine, it would be quieter, but with a steam turbine and an electric ship in general.