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The Senate of France proposed to recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh

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France may be the first European country to recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh. French Senator Valerie Boyer made a corresponding proposal.


Boyer suggested France to recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh. According to her, opposing the "offensive of Azerbaijan" in Karabakh is the same as opposing the "spread of Turkish Islam in Europe."

By the end of this week, the senator intends to submit to the French Senate a document on the recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, as well as condemnation of the actions of Azerbaijan and Turkey. It has not yet been announced when this document will be considered.

Let us remind that France, along with Russia and the United States, is the co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group for a peaceful settlement in Karabakh.

Meanwhile, as previously reported, recently Paris has a very negative attitude to Ankara's initiatives, a particular negative reaction from France was caused by Turkey's open support for Azerbaijan.

French President Emmanuel Macron directly announced the transfer of militants of pro-Turkish groups to Karabakh to participate in hostilities on the side of Azerbaijan. In response, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev demanded an apology from Paris. Earlier, he warned that Baku would immediately sever all diplomatic ties with the country that recognizes the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh.

For our part, we note that France has a very large and strong Armenian diaspora, which includes many famous French politicians and cultural figures.

It should be reminded that Armenia itself has not yet recognized the independence of Artsakh.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 20 October 2020 11: 37
    11
    Apparently the Armenian diasporas have started their "work". More than 800 thousand Armenians live in France. There is a very strong Armenian lobby in the United States, there are even more Armenians there, up to two million.
    Let's see what happens.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 20 October 2020 11: 42
      17
      Most of them, alas, are with us .. No matter how they start to "work" here ... I really don't want to fit into them with the Azerbaijanis a get-together ..
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 20 October 2020 11: 58
        +9
        Quote: paul3390
        Most of them, alas, are with us .. No matter how they start to "work" here ... I really don't want to fit into them with the Azerbaijanis a get-together ..

        Judging by the absence of rallies and blocked roads as in the same states, our authorities in this case decided not to play with tolerance. And good.
        1. Wilderness
          Wilderness 20 October 2020 12: 12
          0
          These methods do not work for us. The relationship will be, to put it mildly, not tolerant. More efficiently through television and other media, there are all kinds of nightingales ...
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 20 October 2020 12: 25
            14
            Quote: Wilderness
            These methods do not work for us. The relationship will be, to put it mildly, not tolerant. More efficiently through television and other media, there are all kinds of nightingales ...

            So far, the effect is rather the opposite. The more they scream how we MUST save them, the fewer people who want to climb at all.
      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 20 October 2020 12: 10
        +3
        Most of them, alas, we have ..
        I'm here, too, "at you", excuse me, is that nothing?
        This is not a get-together, as you put it. This is the embodiment of the idea of ​​the great Turan - cutting through a corridor to the Caspian Sea and beyond, where the Turkish dream only strives - up to the Uyghur district in China.
        And if the statements the other day about the elimination of terrorists from Syria on the territory of Russia, the statements of Naryshkin about the actions of Islamic terrorists on the territory of Azerbaijan mean nothing to you ... then it's a pity.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 20 October 2020 14: 12
          +3
          Quote: Artavazdych
          This is the embodiment of the idea of ​​the great Turan - cutting a corridor to the Caspian Sea

          And in 89, did Erdogan unleash the same? It is clear, of course, that even then Turkey could not do without and it seeks out any reason for destabilization in neighboring (and not only) countries, in order to use the conflicts in their own interests. But the Turks forget that any stick has two ends and such a policy will turn out to be a big sideways for them. That's it, the times of Turkish ports are long gone, and in the modern world, with imperial ambitions, who would rock the boat, but not the Turks. Moreover, with their resource base, which, frankly, does not exist at all. It was 300-400 years ago, the main resource was people and territories, now everything is far from the same.
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 20 October 2020 14: 18
            -1
            In 89, of course, not the Turks. Although...
            I remember Turkish radio of those years, as well as radio "freedom", BBC, etc.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 20 October 2020 14: 22
              +1
              Quote: Artavazdych
              I remember Turkish radio of those years, as well as radio "freedom", BBC, etc.

              Here I am about the same.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 20 October 2020 15: 38
          +2
          Quote: Artavazdych
          wherever the Turkish dream only strives - up to the Uyghur region in China.

          The ultimate dream of Erdogan, I think, is going to the Caspian coast. China is too much.

          Quote: Artavazdych
          the actions of Islamic terrorists on the territory of Azerbaijan mean nothing to you ... that's a pity.

          Что мы можем сделать?
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 20 October 2020 16: 01
            +2
            The ultimate dream ... the Caspian coast

            Was it by chance that Uzbekistan switched to the Latin alphabet, like Azerbaijan? Kazakhs also exaggerate this issue.
            Was a coup in Kyrgyzstan coincidental with the war in Karabakh accidental?
            Well, all their forums are full of such cards:
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 20 October 2020 15: 31
        +4
        Quote: paul3390
        Most of them, alas, we have ..

        How can I imagine what splendid infantry divisions and corps could have been assembled to help Artsakh ... No Bayraktars would have stopped ... And Russia would not have had to ask to intervene.
        I left the market, went to fight,
        To give the land of Artsakh to the Armenians ...
        But instead, the Armenians are assembling a women's battalion ... request
    2. credo
      credo 20 October 2020 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Apparently the Armenian diasporas have started their "work". More than 800 thousand Armenians live in France. There is a very strong Armenian lobby in the United States, there are even more Armenians there, up to two million.
      Let's see what happens.

      That is unlikely.
      Despite the fact that there are many Shiite Muslims in Azerbaijan, it will not be difficult to raise Sunni Muslims and other movements in France, for the sake of solidarity and against the Orthodox Armenians of Artsakh and Armenia. Why Macron does this is not entirely clear, given that the confrontation has been going on for more than 25 years.
      The same applies to the United States, especially on the eve of the upcoming presidential elections, which of the candidates would come up with the idea to incite local Muslims against themselves.
      1. vadim dok
        vadim dok 20 October 2020 15: 46
        +3
        This is where you get "Orthodox Armenians? The Armenians are NOT Orthodox and have NEVER been! They are Gregorians! Christians, but closer to Catholics!"
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 20 October 2020 18: 16
          0
          Where did you get the "Orthodox Armenians? The Armenians are NOT Orthodox and have NEVER been! They are Gregorians!"

          Religions are hard to understand. 70 Bibles were written, many Korans and other tales, because of which people, intoxicated by religion, are ready to kill each other.
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 20 October 2020 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Apparently the Armenian diasporas have started their "work".

      Yes, they have been operating there since the time of Louis 14. The most famous French Armenian is Dartanyan Ashot Vazgenovich.
      1. the finish
        the finish 20 October 2020 16: 54
        +2
        You are wrong. Seed lawn. The personal bodyguard of Napoleon is an Armenian from Karabakh - Rustam. Ask at your leisure.
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 21 October 2020 14: 35
      +1
      Let Donbass be recognized at the same time.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 October 2020 11: 37
    12
    France may be the first European country to recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh
    Or he may not admit, which is likely to happen. But even the submission of this issue to the Senate suggests that the role is played not only by the great "caution" of France towards Turkey, but also by the work of the Armenian diaspora.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 11: 52
      +6
      Or another option:
      Introduced ...
      Drew up a document ...
      Submitted for consideration ...
      The debate began ...
      The conflict is over ....
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 20 October 2020 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        The conflict is over ....

        It seems to me that this will not end so quickly. Interethnic conflicts are either extinguished immediately with a bucket of cold water poured on hot heads, or rivers of blood spilled when it flares up properly. Until now, I still haven't seen buckets of water from Russia, as supposedly one of the most interested parties. Some appeals for peace and negotiations. No more. So they let the abscess burst. Blood is shed, but there are no people who want to climb as a human shield between the warring parties. It remains to be expected that either Azerbaijan will seize NK with all adjacent territories and stop at the Armenian border, or the Armenians, inflicting significant losses on Azerbaijan, will reverse the offensive and establish their control in the aforementioned territories. And then the war in its hot phase will end. And a peace treaty will be signed. And then the French recognition of the independence of NK, if this happens, may well play a cruel joke with them, for by that time NK may well become Azerbaijani.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 14: 41
          +2
          Azerbaijan will seize NK with all adjacent territories and stop at the Armenian border,
          I am not Wanga and not Cassandra, but it seems to me that the ending will be like that ...
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 20 October 2020 14: 52
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I am not Wanga and not Cassandra, but it seems to me that the ending will be like that ...

            Here, as it were, it is not necessary to be especially visionary to assume that Turkish military assistance can provide Azerbaijan with superiority in arms. But there is still the possibility of making strategic mistakes, for example, the formation of large "cauldrons", successful counter-offensive operations, etc. which can radically change the course of the database. Or the harsh intervention of a third force, superior in power to both sides of the conflict. We can only watch. hi
  3. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 20 October 2020 11: 42
    +9
    It is unlikely that France will recognize Karabakh as independent. Armenia should be the first to recognize Karabakh, but this is just another touch to the escalation of relations between Turkey and France.
  4. Victorio
    Victorio 20 October 2020 11: 44
    +3
    well, a shelter, in the photo, the soldiers prepared, a mass grave
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 20 October 2020 11: 52
      +3
      Quote: Victorio
      mass grave

      Even for this it is not suitable, such well-fed warriors will not fit there ...
    2. bairat
      bairat 20 October 2020 12: 12
      +3
      Social distancing is especially relevant there. 20 meters. Better 30.
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 11: 47
    +2
    What's the point? If the Armenians themselves have not yet recognized it? But if recognized in France, it will be interesting ..
  6. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 October 2020 11: 52
    0
    I remember the famous chansonnier was the ambassador
    Is .. alive?
  7. Roman070280
    Roman070280 20 October 2020 11: 52
    +4
    As long as they recognize something .. there will already be Azerbaijanis everywhere .. on their own land recognized by all ..
    And what will it give then ??
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 20 October 2020 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: Roman070280
      And what will it give then ??

      They will re-equip and recognize the NK as a separatist entity.
  8. Selevc
    Selevc 20 October 2020 11: 56
    +3
    All these talks about the recognition of Karabakh will remain just talk !!! Moreover, recognition from whom ??? - from the country that first bombed Tripoli ??? - from a country that has long been deciding nothing serious in international politics ??? !!! These are the same cover operations for Azerbaijan and Turkey as, for example, some threats against Turkey from the United States. We must not listen to what the US and Turkey are saying - we must watch what they are doing.

    And what they are doing is this - the United States, having occupied the northern regions of Syria, distracted the Kurds and calmed them down - and thereby untied Turkey's hands for war in all hot spots !!! And what Trump and Erdogan say on camera is always one lie !!!
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  10. askort154
    askort154 20 October 2020 11: 58
    +4
    The influence on the policy of the state is exerted not so much by the number of people living in the diaspora as by their "qualitative" penetration into the structures of power. In Russia, the most numerous diasporas are Azerbaijani and Armenian, and the Jewish, in comparison with them, is "minuscule", but the influence on the government is very significant. The situation is similar in the United States. Only they have legalized "lobbying".
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 October 2020 11: 59
    0
    Valerie Boyer, 63 years old, from a family of Franco-Algerian repatriates. Persona non grata for Azerbaijan, for visiting Naglny Karabakh in 2011. In 2011, her law was adopted on the denial of the Armenian genocide with all the ensuing consequences in international relations with Turkey. Something like this. repeat
  12. Hello from Baku
    Hello from Baku 20 October 2020 12: 04
    +6
    President Aliyev said that if any country recognizes NK, relations with it will be severed within half an hour. We do not depend on France, there is no large diaspora, economic ties can be said to be scanty.
    In 2019, Azerbaijan conducted the main export operations with Italy (28,72% of total exports), Turkey (14,58%), Israel (6,78%), India (4,87%), Germany (4,75 %), China (3,83%), Russia (3,73%).

    Azerbaijan carried out the main import operations with Russia (16,76%), Turkey (12,05%), China (10,48%), Switzerland (8,95%), USA (5,62%), Germany (5,2 , 3,42%), Ukraine (3,31%), Iran (2,91%), Canada (XNUMX%).
    It is the French who have economic interests in Azerbaijan, Total, together with SOCAR, participates in the project for the development of the Absheron field, which is one of the largest gas condensate fields in Azerbaijan, as well as the largest discovery of Total over the past 10 years.
    So that you can ask them politely.
    But if, say, Russia or the United States recognizes, then it will really be a disaster for us, and for Russia
    large economic and geopolitical losses, plus the acquisition of another unfriendly neighbor in the Caucasus.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 20 October 2020 12: 28
      +2
      Russia will definitely not fit in for NK. Moreover, Moscow unambiguously knew about Baku's intentions ... and did not react in any way (not counting general words about peace and so on after the outbreak of hostilities), thus Baku's hands are untied ...

      It is time to sum up the independence in the vastness of the former USSR and build strong economic relations. And the lack of resolution in relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan does not suit Moscow. Moscow has given the go-ahead for "cutting" the Gordeev's knot along the NK ...
  13. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 20 October 2020 12: 09
    +4
    There are many more Armenians living abroad than in Armenia itself ...
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 20 October 2020 12: 13
    +3
    What will it give to Karabakh? France will send its soldiers - will not! And all the rest of the assistance just fits very well into the strategy of the United States and NATO. They will supply two warring nations, earning and weakening the countries, leading them into a loop of dependence on the West, for one thing and influencing the neighbors. it will be generally a victory.
  15. Livonetc
    Livonetc 20 October 2020 12: 22
    +2
    Co-forum members from Armenia and Azerbaijan have disappeared from the comments somewhere.
    I missed one, sorry.
    "Greetings from Baku".
    Hello to you.
    1. deniso
      deniso 20 October 2020 12: 25
      +3
      They turned off the Internet
      1. Hello from Baku
        Hello from Baku 20 October 2020 12: 45
        +1
        They did not disconnect anything, they simply restricted access to social networks, which is bypassed through VPN.
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 20 October 2020 12: 37
      +5
      Co-forum members from Armenia and Azerbaijan have disappeared from the comments somewhere.


      Pigeons are sent posts. The Internet remained only with the smart propagandists of the mighty Turanian army ... laughing
      1. Hello from Baku
        Hello from Baku 20 October 2020 12: 45
        +1
        Why lie?
    3. Rubina
      Rubina 20 October 2020 13: 00
      0
      We are here. Yesterday, all of Azerbaijan was shocked by Shakhnazarov's speech in the 60-minute program, where this activist broadcast that it was necessary to give not 5, but all 7 regions and there could be no question of NK's self-determination. A week ago he was the mouthpiece of the Armenian position and such a turn.
      Also Semyon Pegov from WarGonzo said that he was already in Khabarovsk.
      It looks like it won't be long to wait.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 20 October 2020 13: 32
        0
        And what about the wait is not long.
        7 regions or also Karabakh?
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 20 October 2020 14: 01
          +5
          Everything will return to the situation that was before 1988 in Karabakh, with some adjustments. The Armenians wanted to secede and grab another 7 regions, but, they did not calculate their strength, did not take into account the geopolitics of the 21st century, they lose. As a result, they will leave (or rather force) 7 districts. And Karabakh, early they persisted in secession and annexation to Armenia. And Azerbaijan offered them the highest autonomy that is in the world. Now, after a lot of blood (brought to war, missed a peaceful solution) they will receive some kind of status, but not the highest, and then, if they stop the war tomorrow, without losing Khankendi. If they do not stop now, they will lose the chance of status in Karabakh. In this case, they will live in Karabakh, just like Azerbaijanis live in other regions, with the status - District The general picture will be that, you'll see.
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 20 October 2020 14: 32
            +1
            It is highly doubtful Jeyhun.
            So far there are no signs that Azerbaijan is capable of returning all territories by force.
            Further it will only be more difficult for Azerbaijan and the Azerbaijani army.
            Armenia in all its manifestations (I mean the diaspora, financial injections and lobbying) is mobilizing.
            The war is becoming protracted.
            In a relatively short period of time, the Armenians will have new weapons systems and appropriate specialists.
            And this flow will be established not from Russia or Russia.
            Azerbaijan will be worn out, and Turkey will eventually step aside, as it has done more than once.
            I do not approve of such an outcome, but it is quite probable.
            hi
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 20 October 2020 14: 38
              +5
              Yes, there is such a version and probability. But, while all the rules. Ilham Aliyev: over the last day, the city of Zengilan and dozens of villages in the regions of Khojavend, Fizuli, Jubrail and Zengilan have been liberated. (25 settlements) hi
            2. Selevc
              Selevc 20 October 2020 15: 32
              +3
              So far there are no signs that Azerbaijan is capable of returning all territories by force.

              In general, I fundamentally disagree - only three weeks of war have passed and Azerbaijan has already entered small towns ...

              Who will guarantee that if the war, for example, reaches the highest point of confrontation between the parties and Azerbaijan repels Karabakh, they will not enter the territory of Armenia ??? There are no guarantees for this at all - on the contrary, it will be strategically beneficial for Azerbaijan to link its territories with the Nakhichevan enclave by land and, by the way, create a kind of land corridor with Turkey in the future !!! Who will guarantee that after 30 years of the Karabakh conflict the Azerbaijanis will not want to do the same with the Armenians themselves what they did to them in the 90s ??? They will simply enter the territory of Armenia and lay claim to it and come up with 200 more ancient reasons and reasons for the possession of this territory !!!
              In any war, usually both sides always want peace - but the strongest side always dictates its terms of this very peace !!!
            3. Buka001
              Buka001 23 October 2020 16: 17
              -1
              Well, from the beginning of the operation to clean up the territory of Azerbaijan from the occupants, everyone here doubted any success of the Azerbaijani army. The results are evident. You keep doubting .....
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 20 October 2020 13: 34
        -2
        We are here. Yesterday all of Azerbaijan was shocked by Shakhnazarov's speech in the program


        Let's get interesting .... I give free marketing advice!
        In the morning, start fasting with the word "Hastily" and "The Azerbaijani army entered Stepanakert"
        For Lunch, let's - "Urgent", "Shock", three exclamation points, "Armenians are fleeing to Georgia", "Yerevan is fallen", "Pashinyan is wanted.
        In the evening - "Sensation", "The US is bringing ammunition to Azerbaijan", "Trump and Macron call on Armenia to surrender", "The SU 35S of the Armenian Air Force was shot down", "The S700 of Armenia's air defense was destroyed", "The Armenians are leaving Yerevan in panic.

        I hope your agitprop helped, otherwise he began to suffer from lack of ideas and lack of personnel - after all, it’s a little difficult to get from the bazaar and the Internet. laughing
  16. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 20 October 2020 12: 27
    +1
    Well, here are new friends. Let's speak French among ourselves again. I do not believe!!!
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 October 2020 14: 14
    +1
    The Senate of France proposed to recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh
    belay fool And then admit the fact of aggression against the free and independent and send their troops or will they send NATO, or the troops of the coalition of the UN countries? fool
  18. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 20 October 2020 17: 02
    +2
    let Crimea be officially recognized right away, we had a referendum !!!