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A video of tests of the American maneuverable air defense system IM-SHORAD appeared on the web

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A video of tests of the American maneuverable air defense system IM-SHORAD appeared on the web

A video of testing a short-range air defense system - Interim Maneuver-Short-Range Air Defense (IM-SHORAD) - has appeared on the Web. The video was posted on its YouTube channel by General Dynamics Land Systems.


Tests were reportedly conducted earlier this year, with the military testing the main weapons of the IM-SHORAD, including Hellfire, Stinger missiles and a 30mm cannon.

On October 2, the US Department of Defense signed an agreement with General Dynamics to supply the American army with a new maneuverable air defense system based on the Stryker armored personnel carrier. As part of the signed contract, the company begins pre-series production of new IM-SHORAD combat vehicles.


The deadline for the contract is September 30, 2025, the total number of ordered cars has not been reported. It is known that at the first stage, funds are allocated for the production of 28 machines with subsequent renewal. Earlier it was announced plans to supply up to 144 IM-SHORAD systems.

The IM-SHORAD complex is installed on the Stryker platform. The reconfigurable integrated weapons platform (RIwP) can carry four Stinger MANPADS and two Hellfire anti-tank missiles. The module is also equipped with a 30-mm automatic gun M230LF with a coaxial machine gun. To detect targets using a hemispherical radar manufactured by the Israeli company Rada. The system can interact with air defense systems and Blue Force Tracker, a system of field identification "friend or foe".

IM-SHORAD is designed to counter both unmanned aerial vehicles and enemy helicopters and aircraft on the march and in the field of deployment. New mobile air defense systems should fill the possible shortage of air defense and missile defense systems.
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  1. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 18 October 2020 15: 38
    10
    IM-SHORAD is designed to counter both unmanned aerial vehicles ...

    Will they be saved from Bayraktar? repeat
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 18 October 2020 15: 47
      15
      Will they be saved from Bayraktar?

      It looks like no. Stinger and a 30-mm cannon with a ceiling of 4 km. are. The Turkish brainchild flies much higher. request
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 18 October 2020 16: 02
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: Doccor18
        Will they be saved from Bayraktar?

        It looks like no. Stinger and a 30-mm cannon with a ceiling of 4 km. are. The Turkish brainchild flies much higher. request

        The Americans have plenty of other means of destruction. But everything that he can release or drop. He will interrupt and reset his use. If he manages to shoot at the Americans, of course. And don't forget about Hellfire.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 18 October 2020 16: 04
          +5
          Well, come on, list what mattresses have against bayraktars?
          just don't talk about the Air Force.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 18 October 2020 16: 07
            -10 qualifying.
            Quote: Dodikson
            Well, come on, list what mattresses have against bayraktars?
            just don't talk about the Air Force.

            Dodik study US air defense. Honor. It helps. In order not to ask stupid questions. This nag that barely flies (by aircraft standards) only against those stuck with weapons of the middle of the last century is dangerous.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 18 October 2020 16: 21
              18
              Nablik, I carefully studied this air defense when you were still trying to learn words, but I did not know anything about letters at all.
              tell me how exactly im-shorad will shoot down bayraktars who can smack umtas and mam-ls from 8 kilometers in range and 8 kilometers in height?
              you wrote that the bayraktar will be able to bring down exactly im-shorad.
              Well, then you will tell me about the Avengers with the same stingers, well, or how once the sergeant of Yorkies or chaperells were in service with the mattresses, well, you will also tell about the Hawks. By the way, they are still in service with the Turks. and the Iranians too.
              1. prodi
                prodi 18 October 2020 17: 23
                +5
                Yes, there is currently no effective weapon against light and medium drones, i.e. you can shoot down, but it will turn out to be commensurate or more expensive than the drone itself with weapons
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 18 October 2020 17: 46
                  +2
                  not entirely true, if we take combat UAVs. then the price tag is not humane.
                  the same bayraktar costs 10-15 million per unit.
                  those that are simpler, too, for a couple of lyams come out at a price. and it's not about rubles.
                  those that are kamikaze drones are, yes, relatively inexpensive, but their range and time of barrage are not so hot, and the fact that they are disposable.
                  1. prodi
                    prodi 18 October 2020 17: 58
                    0
                    Well, and I, about the same: to shoot down Bayraktar - you can, apparently, and missiles are not a pity, but with a one-time trifle - "oops!"
                    1. mihail_mihail0620
                      mihail_mihail0620 18 October 2020 19: 21
                      +4
                      Quote: prodi
                      but with a one-time trifle - "oops!"

                      And if the amount includes the cost of the target?
                2. Ali
                  Ali 18 October 2020 18: 56
                  -6
                  Quote: prodi
                  yes no effective weapons against light and medium drones today, i.e. you can shoot down, but it will turn out to be commensurate or more expensive than the drone itself with weapons

                  prodi. No need to write lies! "Pantsir-SM" easily knocks down light and medium UAVs and is in service with the Russian troops, and on May 9 it was shown at the military parade! And with new small-sized anti-aircraft missiles - "nails"!
                  1. Zhevlonenko
                    Zhevlonenko 19 October 2020 02: 54
                    -1
                    You are running ahead of the locomotive, the carapace is not in service, but still. And even more so it is not massively present in the troops
                    1. Ali
                      Ali 19 October 2020 07: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Zhevlonenko (Evgen
                      You are running ahead of the locomotive, the carapace is not in service, but still. And even more so it is not massively present in the troops

                      Zhevlonenko (Evgen). You don't know a lot! And Russia can saturate the troops and is doing everything for this! Therefore, you are all out of anger at Russia, write nonsense about Interim Maneuver-Short-Range Air Defense (IM-SHORAD)Which a priori, it cannot shoot down UAVs flying above 4 km. Learn materiel, illiterate fighters of the invisible front!
                      And, in Ukraine, there is certainly nothing and never will be!
                      1. Zhevlonenko
                        Zhevlonenko 19 October 2020 12: 40
                        +1
                        "Out of anger at Russia"? Did I show anger somewhere? I stated a fact.
                  2. prodi
                    prodi 19 October 2020 08: 28
                    -3
                    the fact is that this "nail" will still be much more expensive than a drone assembled from parts bought on Ali-Express, which means that quantitatively drones are winning. An attempt to jam the EW communication channel is not bad, but then one should expect a "response" in the form of an anti-radar missile from the same Bayraktor
              2. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 18 October 2020 23: 32
                +1
                Only NASAMS air defense systems, Patriot, but they are in a stationary version, military air defense as such in the United States is now not capable of shooting down at an altitude of 8 km
          2. mihail_mihail0620
            mihail_mihail0620 18 October 2020 18: 43
            +1
            Quote: Dodikson
            just don't talk about the Air Force.

            Why did you exclude the Air Force?
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 18 October 2020 19: 10
              +6
              because im-shorad is not a plane.
              Moreover, not everyone who has at least a parody of air defense has a parody of the Air Force.
              moreover, the air defense protects the object constantly, and the air force only while the plane is on duty
              1. mihail_mihail0620
                mihail_mihail0620 18 October 2020 19: 26
                0
                yes no effective weapons against light and medium drones today

                Quote from "prodi"
                It seemed to me that the "prodi" in this phrase expanded the arsenal.
          3. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 19 October 2020 11: 05
            0
            on the territory of the United States in 1958 there were stationary air defense positions MIM-14 Nike-Hercules - they were removed from service in 1974.
            Something like this was implemented us later in the S-300P in the 70s, and in terms of range they surpassed in the S-200 air defense system.
            It makes sense for the United States to create a new mobile air defense system with SM-3 and SM-6 missiles
            or integrate them into the PAC-3 air defense system
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 18 October 2020 15: 54
      -19 qualifying.
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      IM-SHORAD is designed to counter both unmanned aerial vehicles ...

      Will they be saved from Bayraktar? repeat
      laughing Easily. Two types of melee missiles plus a cannon. Even with remote detonation of a projectile Although they do not talk about it. But you don’t even need to talk to understand that it will be so. And the most important thing is total superiority in everything. And even more against the air. Especially against countries that have this "Bayraktar" Yes, this complex is simply sharpened against such UAVs. The Americans have supplemented their troops with the short-range air defense system they need. And it won't seem a little on the ground. "Hellfire" is not that to you.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 18 October 2020 16: 04
        13
        And what exactly from this complex will get to the bayraktar?
      2. Zhevlonenko
        Zhevlonenko 19 October 2020 02: 57
        +1
        Let’s put the missiles at him, with what radar? How effective it is for him. How long will he have time to detect the same bayraktar before that blow strikes?
    3. garri-lin
      garri-lin 18 October 2020 15: 56
      +9
      If you think well, it won't save you from anyone. The range is not the same. Only shoot down ammunition. And it is not clear whether Stinger will be able to visit a kamikaze with an electric motor.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2020 16: 38
        10
        The Yankees are hoping for ... aviation, as always. They have grounds, because they have long ceased to contact those who can land their aircraft on the ground.
        And the air defense of ground troops is only against the classic targets of the past period of wars.
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 October 2020 17: 10
          +7
          Yes, they believe that aviation can destroy all means and radars before the air defense work zones, but as always there are many but ...
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 18 October 2020 17: 32
            +4
            I was the only one that thought it was a parody of our "armor"? I note with pleasure, since the striped ones rushed into this niche, it means that they appreciated the "armor".
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 17: 46
              -1
              Quote: Dead Day
              is it a parody of our "armor"?

              Not even close. Our analogue is Strela-10 / Sosna.
              Direct analogue of Sosna - RA
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 18 October 2020 17: 53
                -4
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Quote: Dead Day
                is it a parody of our "armor"?

                Not even close. Our direct analogue is Strela-10 / Sosna.

                oh well ... where is the "pine" gun? without a gun - "low".
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 17: 54
                  0
                  Pine - RA, I remembered about him after the publication of the comment.
                  1. Grandfather
                    Grandfather 18 October 2020 17: 55
                    -4
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Pine - RA

                    all one cannon netuti ... means "non-analogue". request
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 17: 56
                      +1
                      There is a 30-mm 2A38 cannon, look at the photo.
                      1. Grandfather
                        Grandfather 18 October 2020 18: 16
                        -4
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        There is a 30-mm 2A38 cannon, look at the photo.

                        "concept"? -Nezachot ", did not observe in the troops.
            2. cniza
              cniza 18 October 2020 18: 11
              +5
              Quote: Dead Day
              I was the only one that thought it was a parody of our "armor"? I note with pleasure, since the striped ones rushed into this niche, it means that they appreciated the "armor".


              It looks like a lot along the contours ...
            3. rocket757
              rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 15
              +3
              And what else can provide cover for mobile army units, if aviation suddenly does not fly, and everything, different, not pleasant can fall on your head?
            4. zwlad
              zwlad 19 October 2020 14: 32
              0
              Not alone. So it seemed to me too.
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 13
            +2
            You can count in different ways, until you try, you don't know.
            Although, their generals also expressed that against a serious air defense, a serious state, plans to build ... are fraught, you can be left not only without aviation, but also without infrastructure for support and other strike assets. Pyrrhic victory, if there will be that victory at all !!!
            1. cniza
              cniza 18 October 2020 18: 22
              +4
              It is not the United States that does not rypnitsya against the serious, they will incite others ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 33
                +2
                Others will look around, put something to their noses and "advance" without leaving their seats, but they will yell heartily.
                There are a lot of bad, but complete idiots to find, you still have to be able to.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 18 October 2020 18: 38
                  +4
                  At our side, such people are brought up and taught that they will be able to win ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 47
                    +2
                    You can raise a generation in hatred, but how many of them will be bursting with life for all sorts of bad ideas .... different things will also fall on them and from all sides.
                    The constant utilization of the most frostbitten ones is going on in Donbass and there are not many more of them .... all the same, WE and everything next to it, on the real "dark lords" of the past DO NOT PUSH! No, cheap, they can't do anything. Greed, a serious incentive, but it is much safer to sculpt street vendors and other small ones, and they no longer shine more ... just a couple of meters deep. Most of this will be explained clearly.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 18 October 2020 20: 52
                      +2
                      The scary thing is that there is not just a separation of Ukraine from Russia, but a process of growing anti-Russia ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 October 2020 21: 14
                        +2
                        Raising haters, any, will come back to haunt the society itself very soon !!! Bar, gentlemen, who have arranged all this, will be fenced in by guards, high fences, or faded into "warm" edges !!! And those who now have a "hut on the edge" will feel all this horror on their beloved skins ... not long to wait! So it was, is, will ALWAYS be!
  2. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 18 October 2020 15: 42
    0
    To detect targets, a hemispherical radar manufactured by the Israeli company Rada is used.
    Are these four thumbs on the sides?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 18 October 2020 16: 39
      -1
      The Israelis have a large "packet" of missiles on their radars ...
  3. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 18 October 2020 16: 21
    18
    I was not impressed.
    Stinger doesn't hit high
    Hellfire hits up to 8 km (range), if from a height on a ground target.
    Does it hit high in the air? Perhaps even lower than the stinger.
    In general, it looks like the air defense of the last line, when they will try to shoot down everything with this at least.

    Wangyu !!!! the price will be horse, "cavalry"
    One platform is a striker of what it is, but here they poked everyone.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 18 October 2020 16: 31
    0
    The Armenians will now be forced to ... like it will help ...
    1. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 18 October 2020 16: 57
      +3
      Armenia is a member of the CSTO. For Armenia, the ZRPK shell costs 8 lamas, if not less.
      And "this" for Armenia will cost more than a shell. Even allies won't buy much. And Armenia on the line of foreign military sales (with a markup for a non-US ally) will "lose weight" only from the announced price
      1. mvg
        mvg 18 October 2020 21: 37
        +1
        ZRPK carapace is worth 8

        In what tugriks ??? Look at the cost of the Armor for the Russian Federation. The shell costs about 800 million rubles, plus missiles and a trained crew. More than billion for export
        1. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 18 October 2020 21: 50
          0
          Wherever I've seen, export price plus minus $ 14.000.000
          Internal prices differ 2 times, but this is on average. In addition, internal prices are set in rubles. Taking into account the movement of the ruble exchange rate, life there can be more than 2 times cheaper.
          1. mvg
            mvg 18 October 2020 22: 01
            +3
            Intra prices differ 2 times

            Nifiga is not. We'll see how it goes. Figures flashed from the MO just for 800 tr, not cheap. We are not monopolists for a long time, we are forced to sell as it is. Otherwise, as with the MiG-35, which is more expensive than the F-16 Viper, with AFAR and 5th generation avionics. Russian weapons are not the cheapest, as shown by Indian air defense tenders.
            1. Nasdaq
              Nasdaq 18 October 2020 22: 15
              0
              Yes??? Interestingly, it turns out that for Kazakhstan, su 30 costs less than $ 30 million, and an instant is more expensive for Russia than f-16?
              1. mvg
                mvg 18 October 2020 22: 26
                -1
                and a moment is more expensive for Russia than f-16

                And what, the F-16 is being sold in Russia ?? Or to Kazakhstan? On the market for the Su-30 MK * they ask for 80 million. And the F-16 in the early blocks 25, and in 70/72 35 for naked. The MiG-35 is priced at 50. Look at the prices for Egypt.
                And in terms of air defense, our Tunguska preferred YuK, and our Polyment, Barak-8. It is significant.
                Yes, and on the radar, for example, the same Syria and Iran.
                1. Nasdaq
                  Nasdaq 18 October 2020 22: 52
                  +3
                  You yourself answered: su 30 for $ 80, this is the export price, the internal price is 2.5 times cheaper.
                  You will probably be surprised when you find out the price of the Su-57: 76 fighters for 170 billion rubles. That is, for 1 plane $ 30 with kopecks. This is the internal price.
                  Tie the srach. Domestic prices are radically different from export prices, this is a fact. And any weapon for Armenia is cheaper than for countries not included in the ODKB.
                  You will tell American clients about the top-end f 16 for 35 lamas, for example, to the Arabs. They will be surprised
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 23: 04
                    -3
                    Quote: Nasdaq
                    Domestic prices are radically different from export prices, this is a fact.

                    Domestic prices are frank lies, funding goes through several channels, we are shown only the tip of the iceberg.
                  2. mvg
                    mvg 19 October 2020 00: 40
                    +2
                    76 fighters for 170 billion rubles

                    Have you set a lot?
                    You know, at the beginning of 2000 I was a little involved in deliveries to a large plant. The price tag is very different from the tender. Finally, open your eyes and see how it happens with us. Kuzya, Nakhimov as an example to you. Vostochny cosmodrome. The difference is many times ... and this is only official.
                    Remember the stadium in St. Petersburg at last.
                    PS: Rose-colored glasses are not bad, you can live more peacefully with them.
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 22: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: mvg
                  and at 70/72 35 for naked.

                  Retrofitting old F16 units to 70/72 could cost $ 35 million, a new one definitely isn't.
                  Here is the Bulgarian contract:
                  “There is a two-week timeline in which the US government will present to Bulgaria a draft Letter of Offer and Acceptance in which the expected price for the eight jets with a package of necessary related equipment will be within $ 1.2 billion,” the ministry said in a statement, according to Reuters.

                  It turns out 150 million per unit with special stages, if the price of special stages is a third, the price of the aircraft is 100 million.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 19 October 2020 00: 43
                    -1
                    Comes out 150 million per unit with dopas

                    Yesterday there was an article for this contract. It does not say what the supplements are for. Maybe simulators, weapons, training, service. Which is most likely. But the price tag of 35 million is overboard. Something like this
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 19 October 2020 00: 52
                      -1
                      Share the link? In the Slovak contract, 207 million went overboard, but there are a lot of weapons, the special stages were exactly half the contract. According to this and the Indian contract, it is definitely not cheaper than 100-120 million overboard with an engine.
        2. Nasdaq
          Nasdaq 18 October 2020 22: 10
          0

          Information from sipri
          If interested, you can climb there, so to speak, ask the price.
          It is not specified what is included in the contract (zip, ammunition, training, etc.)
          1. mvg
            mvg 18 October 2020 22: 53
            +1
            It is not specified what is included in the contract

            For the UAE, there was a contract for 50 complexes, for $ 700 million. True MAN chassis. This is 2014, the contract is from 2013, BEFORE the default. Now it is clearly more expensive in rubles.
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/739633.html
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 18 October 2020 18: 26
      +3
      Armenia is just an example of the fact that such a technique is ineffective from the word just do it. The carrier will not reach. On ammunition can work limited. 30 mm will not hit. Halfair might hit. Stinger might not even see.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 18 October 2020 18: 29
        +4
        This is actually what we are talking about, that the system is about nothing.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 18 October 2020 19: 25
          0
          Instead of a 30 mm laser, so that 1 km could ignite plastics. Instead of Stinger, a Hydra-based rocket with radio command guidance or a laser trail. A much more working machine will turn out albeit with a very short range.
  5. deniso
    deniso 18 October 2020 16: 31
    +7
    I still do not understand - in one bottle - everything you want?
    Mobility - Stryker Platform.
    Air defense - here are 4 Stingers.
    Infantry - well, that's 30 mm and 7,62 mm to boot!
    PTO - so 2 "Hellfire" is!
    And what is it for?
    short-range air defense combat vehicle IM-SHORAD - they already had, "Avenger", it seems. A specific short-range air defense system.
    And nahua?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 17: 03
      +4
      The task was to create a universal car near air defense zones, for cheap, from what is in service and mass-produced. Like in the song:
      I blinded him from what was,
      And then what happened, and then fell in love.

      The Avenger is highly specialized and has actually only stingers in service, IM-SHORAD is a much more versatile system and a better radar. Given that they have an army in all operations of the world, universal systems are needed. The main targets are converted from civilian drones, NARs launched from a pickup truck, a helicopter or a propeller-driven aircraft, etc. If anything on the ground could work. Against serious armies and weapon systems, it is useless, but in conditional Syria, Afghanistan, Niger or Congo it will come in handy. You can arm a PMC, it’s not scary to lose.
      Consider the XM1296 Stryker ICV Dragoon with an air defense system and a hellfire.
    2. Alex_You
      Alex_You 18 October 2020 17: 06
      +4
      As if it did not come out like with Bradley. We wanted a lot in one thing, but in the end it was not BMP, not BMP.
  6. Klingon
    Klingon 18 October 2020 17: 14
    +7
    Why did they bungle anti-tank weapons in the amount of 2 pieces on a close air defense vehicle? is it air defense or both shampoo and rinse ?? 4 swingers with homing heads of infrared part of the spectrum and one 30mm pukalka is somehow liquid. and how, for example, to aim swingers at non-infrared gliding bombs?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 17: 22
      +3
      Quote: Klingon
      like aiming swingers at non-infrared gliding bombs?

      The answer is terribly simple - no way. Hellfire is a universal system, it can work on anything: a helicopter, a tank, a bunker, a boat, etc. The task was to create a universal machine for cheap, against any flying crap in guerrilla wars. Consider a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle with air defense capabilities. is he not analogue of Armor from the word at all.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 17: 29
      +1
      By the way, the KMP has a similar LAV-AD machine.
  7. jeka424
    jeka424 18 October 2020 17: 48
    +2
    does it shoot from a stationary state? some wires go to it
  8. Grandfather
    Grandfather 18 October 2020 18: 21
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    You can count in different ways, until you try, you don't know.

    Namely, Syria helped to draw conclusions, I hope, and the next "armor" (by the way, everyone is waiting), will already be finalized taking into account all the nuances, the fact that Syria is a polygon is no longer a secret, and the Turntables began to be finalized, and much more, a big breakthrough war gives, how sad it is.
  9. Gunther
    Gunther 18 October 2020 18: 48
    +2
    Why destroy missiles when it is possible to destroy the NPU (ground control post) of the same bayraktars - two strikes and 6 bayraktaroas go through the forest, even the Armenians have the opportunity for this - from sabotage groups for aiming, to "Tochki-U", "Iskander" and MLRS ... hi
  10. FerrariStradale
    FerrariStradale 18 October 2020 18: 48
    -1
    Now let's represent the USA in Karabakh against drones /
    Laser buggy, burning out drones.

    Field electronic warfare against drones

    Electronic warfare on a buggy

    Stinger to Oshkosh for high altitudes

    SAM Nasamas height up to 16m. On the AIM-000 rocket. This is essentially a Buk air defense system in a small version
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 19: 07
      -1
      NASAMS is a great system, no questions asked. Everything else is crap useless against military UAVs. The specified laser will not have time to burn light UAVs, maximum optics will dazzle, electronic warfare works only against civilian drones, stingers against MALE is useless, against kamikaze drones it will not have time to detect and react, Osa has already proven this.
      1. FerrariStradale
        FerrariStradale 18 October 2020 19: 19
        -1
        What does useless mean? Look only at field radars and buggies, they give up to 10 km of detection of small UAVs. It changes everything. The soldiers will receive alarms. Will be able to take action.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 19: 25
          -1
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          they give up to 10km of detection of small UAVs

          In the desert / steppe, it can be seen at a distance of 1-2 km, on rough terrain only "point-blank"
          1. FerrariStradale
            FerrariStradale 18 October 2020 19: 31
            0
            Do you even know that even a height of 50 meters is a line of sight of 25 kilometers. And drones in Karabakh, judging by the quality of filming at heights of several kilometers
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 19: 45
              -2
              What kind? MALE? I say NASAMS will solve problems with them. Against light UAVs, kamikaze drones that fly at a distance of tens, maybe hundreds of meters the radars you specified (on a buggy, Oshkosh, field) are useless, full-fledged complexes (better air ones) connected into a network are needed, then at least there is some hope.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 19: 38
      -1
      If we consider the US systems.
      SAM NASAMS agrees, problems with class MALE are resolved.

      ZRPK Skyguard-Sparrow extreme modifications, for the near-small zone

      MZAU "Volcano-Falanx" for the nearest

      + RTR funds
      1. FerrariStradale
        FerrariStradale 18 October 2020 19: 51
        -1
        First, the Buggy laser destroys a light UAV in 2 seconds, and this is at a range of 145 m.
        If you take the Azerbaijani kamikaze UAVs Nagor, then it has a dive speed of about 20 meters per second. It will be detected and shot down by the laser.
        Stinger will be able to shoot down kamikaze drones hundreds of meters away.
        Electronic warfare can overload the receiving antenna of a military UAV.
        Sorry, but OSA, an old system designed for the destruction of large or high-speed targets.
        American radars are able to distinguish UAVs from birds, these are new principles of radars, new software. Therefore, the OSA lost against small UAV kamikaze.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 20: 14
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          Quote: FerrariStradale
          The Buggy laser destroys a light UAV in 2 seconds, and this is at a range of 145 m.

          Marketing nonsense, not enough power.
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          Stinger will be able to shoot down kamikaze drones hundreds of meters away.

          If he finds and can visit
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          Electronic warfare can overload the receiving antenna of a military UAV.

          Under sterile conditions, testing is possible, in reality not. Well, maybe Chinese, Israeli and Turkish definitely not.
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          American radars are able to distinguish UAVs from birds, these are new principles of radars, new software.

          In theory it can, but these are fully networked systems.

          We need full-fledged air defense / missile defense systems, what you wrote (except for NASAMS) are not adopted for service, not tested in real conditions, extremely controversial systems. Yes, they look nice and cool, but in the USA there are more advanced and tested complexes.
          1. FerrariStradale
            FerrariStradale 18 October 2020 20: 27
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            Don't hang noodles. The laser destroys at 145m, this is the video of the test. In short, everything you write can be multiplied by zero. I'm not going to answer your nonsense anymore. You come up with answers on the go.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 20: 46
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              In factory tests, everything explodes perfectly, burns, is detected. As with our uryaklov. As soon as it comes to reality, there is not a single example of a successfully applied ground-based electronic warfare or laser against UAVs. Only in sterile conditions of factory tests, as soon as they begin to be tested by the troops, they turn back (I mean the USA, the RF Armed Forces make political decisions)
              In reality, there is one laser system that began to enter serially in the US Navy ODIN.
              Everything else is being tested with unknown effectiveness.
        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 18 October 2020 23: 51
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          Quote: FerrariStradale
          First, the Buggy laser destroys a light UAV in 2 seconds, and this is at a range of 145 m.
          If you take the Azerbaijani kamikaze UAVs Nagor, then it has a dive speed of about 20 meters per second. It will be detected and shot down by the laser.

          There is no power, you are being deceived
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          Stinger will be able to shoot down kamikaze drones hundreds of meters away.

          He will not see, infrared seeker
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          Electronic warfare can overload the receiving antenna of a military UAV.

          The overload channel is directional, and when you can't see?
          Quote: FerrariStradale
          American radars are able to distinguish UAVs from birds, these are new principles of radars, new software.

          They don't have such in the troops, maybe NASAMS, but it shoots at sectors, at least 4 will have to be set
        3. Airdefense
          Airdefense 20 October 2020 00: 48
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          First, the Buggy laser destroys a light UAV in 2 seconds, and this is at a range of 145 m.

          145 meters is not a great distance at all, given the capriciousness of laser weapons, the use of such a complex will be very limited.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 20: 04
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      By the way, the Turks have optimal air defense against UAVs.
      Hisar-O medium range, distance up to 40 km and altitude up to 15 km. The MALE class is closed.

      SAM Hisar-A range up to 16 km and an altitude of up to 5 km

      SAM "Rapira" range up to 6,5 km and an altitude of about 3 km.

      ZSU Korkut
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 18 October 2020 21: 57
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        By the way, the Turks have optimal air defense against UAVs.
        Hisar-O medium range, distance up to 40 km and altitude up to 15 km. The MALE class is closed.


        From the beginning, six cheap models or AN-2 fly, then a kamikaze drone destroys the defenseless complex. Not UAVs have changed everything, here you need air defense either with a hundred missiles, so that it would be difficult to overload it, or some new principles of destruction.

        But most likely everything will come to the conclusion that a 100% effective fight against drones will be to destroy them before launch. The Chinese have demonstrated the launch of a swarm of small drones so far from a distance of 10 km, but nothing prevents them from increasing the distance to the level of modern MLRS, and “teach” the drones to choose their own target in case of loss of communication from electronic warfare.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 22: 08
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          Quote: Airdefense
          But most likely everything will come to the conclusion that a 100% effective fight against drones will be to destroy them before launch.

          With this I agree, the seizure of superiority (if the strength allows) in the air and strikes on the central control. What I wrote is all against the "large" UAVs and not massive small ones.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 22: 23
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          Quote: Airdefense
          The Chinese have demonstrated the launch of a swarm of small drones so far from a distance of 10 km, but nothing prevents them from increasing the distance to the level of modern MLRS,

          I'm not sure about China, but it is being tested in the United States. Against them, from the real world, only 30-40 mm rapid-fire cannons with programmable shells come to mind.
    4. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 22: 00
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      Here is a video of testing the HELWS ground laser system.

      The lightest drone in ideal weather conditions, Hangs on unknown amount of time, then it is valiantly knocked down. Great marketing video good
      And here is a video of Harop's work, and he still does not maneuver

      By the way, the KuRFS radar is capable of detecting drones.

      It doesn't smell like funny buggies.
  11. businessv
    businessv 18 October 2020 19: 24
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    A video of testing a short-range air defense system - Interim Maneuver-Short-Range Air Defense (IM-SHORAD) - has appeared on the Web.
    What is a peasant, so is a monkey! With such a rate of fire of a 30 mm cannon, you can only shoot at standing targets in the shooting range!
  12. Olfred
    Olfred 19 October 2020 11: 34
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    As far as my memory serves me, the amers already had something similar

    M6 Bradley Linebacker
    so what's the catch? the gun along the way, the same bushmaster, the same stingers ... added an ATGM (!) and put it on the striker ... laughing it's not even fish or meat, you've seen enough of the shells and also want something similar hi