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China showed for the first time a more powerful analogue of the Russian "Dagger"

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China showed for the first time a more powerful analogue of the Russian "Dagger"

The first photographs of the Chinese H-6N bomber equipped with a ballistic missile appeared in the media and the Web. Military Watch Magazine writes about it.


After long expectations, the newspaper writes, China has shown for the first time a new air-launched ballistic missile designed for PLA H-6N bombers. It is assumed that the new air-launched anti-ship missile is a modification of the DF-21D anti-ship missile of the Dongfeng-21 (East Wind-21) ground-based anti-ship missile. The rocket is a relatively compact solid-propellant rocket with an estimated range of more than 2500 km.

It is noted that the Chinese missile was deployed after the appearance of the Russian "Dagger" - the Kh-47M2 hypersonic ballistic missile, which is entrusted with both anti-ship and strike functions. The Russian "Dagger" is intended for installation on high-speed interceptors MiG-31K and Tu-22M3 missile carriers.

According to experts, the Chinese missile is larger than the Russian Dagger. This missile, the newspaper writes, will allow the PLA to control the western part of the Pacific Ocean, keeping the US Navy ships at a farther distance than ground-based anti-ship missiles. The question remains whether it is possible to install a nuclear warhead on a new anti-ship missile system.

Just as experts note, it is not yet clear on which carriers, besides the H-6N bombers, the new missile can be used. Among the likely carriers are the JH-7 strike fighter and the promising H-20 stealth bomber.
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  1. VoroncoV
    VoroncoV 18 October 2020 12: 38
    -10 qualifying.
    Is everyone copying from Russia? Well, the good fellows, the Chinese, know how to concentrate the resources of the whole country in significant areas.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 October 2020 13: 27
      +3
      China is starting to get a little ... alarming. they are moving forward very violently. we have real competitors.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 18 October 2020 13: 35
        21
        Yes, he is not a competitor already ... but a Leader ...
        1. VoroncoV
          VoroncoV 18 October 2020 14: 39
          -3
          Quote: SaLaR
          Yes, he is not a competitor already ... but a Leader ...

          Well, in something yes .. And so China is on its own mind .. He is not a leader in world politics, they do not have the strength of mind to go into conflict and keep the line
          They prefer to wait for the enemy's corpse to float down the river ..
          And we in Russia prefer to wet it if they are already starting to become impudent ..
          This is the mentality soldier
          1. ancient
            ancient 18 October 2020 17: 51
            18
            Quote: VoroncoV
            He is not a leader in world politics; they do not have the strength of mind to go into conflict and keep the line

            And then we have ... well, just awesome fortitude and stuff ... crying
            1. novel66
              novel66 19 October 2020 11: 56
              0
              fortitude is measured in kilofedotes
          2. Machete
            Machete 18 October 2020 17: 54
            +7
            The mock "trade war" with the United States has shown that China is like mattresses. Money comes first. They immediately merged their political interests to please the dough.
            1. stels_07
              stels_07 19 October 2020 09: 18
              +3
              Politics are almost always for the sake of money
            2. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 20 October 2020 11: 20
              0
              Quote: Machete
              The mock "trade war" with the United States has shown that China is like mattresses. Money comes first. They immediately merged their political interests to please the dough.


              Is it okay that the United States unleashed a "war of duties" just because the PRC beat them according to their own rules?
              Yes, he won so much that the trade balance was with a huge advantage on the side of the PRC.
              If the previous US administrations put pressure on China in terms of strengthening the yuan, forcing that Chinese goods were not so profitable in price (and China strengthened the yuan from 8 yuan per dollar to 5,3 yuan per dollar, then the Trump administration took a course towards introducing protective duties. which is contrary to the rules of the WTO.
              Those. set the rules themselves, changed them when they lost ...
              Yes - China agreed to buy American gas in order to straighten the trade balance, avoid trade confrontation, but in response, China devalued the yuan to 6,05-6,1 yuan per dollar.

              Russia followed the same path - introducing protective "anti-dumping" duties on Chinese goods (car tires, bulldozers, etc.).
              Putin traditionally devalued the ruble, temporarily solving the problem of inept management of the Russian economy, through the next impoverishment of the population.
              Now the Russians and Chinese goods are expensive ...
          3. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik 18 October 2020 20: 41
            0
            This is the mentality

            Something has not been observed lately, the mentality ...
      2. Yves762
        Yves762 18 October 2020 14: 01
        +1
        "Pop grabbed the balls .. repeat ... when Easter has passed ... "- they say.
      3. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 18 October 2020 14: 32
        +7
        Quote: Dead Day
        China is starting to get a little ... alarming. they are moving forward very violently. we have real competitors.

        Well, if only competitors. Who knows what their plans are for the future?
        1. the Saint
          the Saint 19 October 2020 16: 43
          -5
          Probably, they are going to buy from Russia a lot, a lot of gas and oil, timber and Ukrainian slaves, and pay for this with us with their most modern weapons with military experts in order to jointly bring NATO to its knees.
      4. VoroncoV
        VoroncoV 18 October 2020 14: 34
        -7
        Quote: Dead Day
        China is starting to get a little ... alarming. they are moving forward very violently. we have real competitors.

        Well, well done, the Chinese .. That's only the United States is alarming, but we take it off, agree and agree hi
        1. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 18 October 2020 14: 39
          +2
          Quote: VoroncoV
          Well, well done, the Chinese .. That's only the United States is alarming, but we take it off, agree and agree

          "and we take off WHILE we agree and agree hi
          1. ancient
            ancient 18 October 2020 17: 53
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            "and we take off WHILE we agree and agree

            "And we with them will ALWAYS only ..... negotiate and negotiate ... well, maximum .. we will express a little concern .., but not very big .. so that tea would not be offended .. seriously"
      5. Lesorub
        Lesorub 18 October 2020 15: 18
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        they are going forward very violently

        China is an economic lump - so they can afford - and copy and create and buy both finished products and individual specialists - so the result is obvious.
        1. ancient
          ancient 18 October 2020 18: 01
          13
          Quote: Lesorub
          China is an economic lump

          I agree completely, but ... a natural, but ... territorial question arises ... (which, in principle, does not require an answer wassat bully)
          Blagoveshchensk and Heihe 37 years ago and now (2 photos)

          Our days belay wink
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 18 October 2020 18: 25
            13
            Quote: ancient
            Blagoveshchensk and Heihe 37 years ago and now (2 photos)

            "Stability" on one side and Development on the other! )))
          2. Volder
            Volder 19 October 2020 22: 29
            0
            Quote: ancient
            Blagoveshchensk and Heihe 37 years ago and now (2 photos)
            The Chinese breed like rabbits, unlike the Russians. Therefore, China is forced to build new cities and settlements on wastelands. These new "modern" skyscrapers are made up of one-room apartments. There are not many apartments with a large area in China; only wealthy Chinese connected with business can afford them. For the most part, apartments in newly built high-rises have an area of ​​3 * 3 meters or less. On YouTube, if you wish, you can find stories about how ordinary Chinese live, especially in the provinces. In this respect, the Chinese could even envy the Soviet houses in the Russian Federation - most often they are in good condition, i.e. the structure is not destroyed. There you just need to carry out a cap. renovation - to replace the roof, windows, doors, utilities, not to mention the interior decoration. I live in a house built in 1969, so I know what I'm talking about.
            1. ancient
              ancient 19 October 2020 22: 40
              +1
              Quote: Volder
              I live in a house built in 1969, so I know what I'm talking about.

              So you are very big .. lucky. wink
              When I had an apartment, a house built in 1980 (moved in 2000) ... everything needs to be changed and repaired ... the basement was flooded all the time ... there was a swamp, the roof was rubbish, the balconies were rubbish ... a house made of reinforced concrete, 5 storey.
              Overhaul ... somewhere in the distant future ... 2 years ago, the pipes in the basement were changed, the risers, who wanted (batteries for a fee) and for a fee "sheathed" the house (who wanted panels now looks "fucking" the house itself is salad, and the panels ... are pinkish wassat
              And what about us .. "Khrushchobs" were good with 4-meter kitchens? And in an apartment with a water-heating boiler on wood or coal ... did not live?
      6. dorz
        dorz 18 October 2020 15: 30
        -1
        Quote: Dead Day
        China is starting to get a little ... alarming. they are moving forward very violently. we have real competitors.

        AGM-183A ARRW should become the first example of a US hypersonic weapon and go into service in early 2023. The product is already undergoing tests and will be able to fly about 10 km in 12 - 1600 minutes, the speed of the warhead is between M = 6,5 and M = 8. Created by Lockheed Martin for the US Air Force.
        1. the Saint
          the Saint 19 October 2020 16: 45
          -3
          We, amicably minus such malicious messages, will try to prevent this.
      7. the Saint
        the Saint 19 October 2020 16: 40
        -2
        No, China is our faithful ally, helper and younger brother. Back in the Academy of the General Staff we sang in the 50s that "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever ..."
        1. Kapany3
          Kapany3 20 October 2020 10: 56
          +1
          So you are a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, since you studied at the Academy of the General Staff in the late fifties?
          1. the Saint
            the Saint 20 October 2020 14: 50
            -2
            And the yak? The farther from the war and the more benefits, the more numerous are the ranks of veterans and blockades. )
            We, the Soviet people, sang this song everywhere, including in all academies. )
          2. Igor Semenov
            Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 13: 58
            -1
            This is his sarcasm so ... hidden
    2. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 18 October 2020 13: 46
      17
      And I liked it .... China has a missile MORE than the Russian "Dagger".

      Previously, the USSR had the largest microcircuits.

      Is the size of a rocket an indicator of coolness?
      1. ancient
        ancient 18 October 2020 14: 00
        -3
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Is the size of a rocket an indicator of coolness?

        Larger size, more fuel and warhead power (about the usual version) and, accordingly, a longer range ... subsonic carrier ... in the aggregate carrier + rocket ... we are at such a range ... well, no way (if only flies next to you tanker).
        And on the H-6N, the rocket is already .. being transported (even if it is "weight and size" ... but for the Tu-22M3M ... also .. "the horse did not roll around"
        So - an EXCELLENT indicator of ... "coolness" good
        And more honesty - they call "things by their proper names" wassat
        1. Rostislav
          Rostislav 18 October 2020 14: 27
          +2
          With regard to such missiles, the indicator of "coolness" is primarily the ability to break through air defense. What is the use of a missile that doesn't make it?
          One thing is said in the article about these characteristics - it is "larger in size than the" Dagger ".
          In any case, the Chinese should admit that the Chinese are developing rapidly. And the range is 2500 km. - good cold shower for "exceptional"
          1. ancient
            ancient 18 October 2020 14: 37
            +5
            Quote: Rostislav
            it is primarily the ability to break through air defense. What is the use of a missile that doesn't make it?

            So you think. that our "Dagger" will definitely fly ... but the Chinese air-launched ballistic missile ..... will not fly? belay
            Is there an interesting "approach" you have? ... Again "urya- fellow "? wink
            Probably, when the Chinese also stick the term .. "hypersonic" to their missile ... then it will be the very thing ... wassat wassat
            1. Rostislav
              Rostislav 18 October 2020 14: 43
              +1
              Personalization is the first sign that there is essentially nothing to say about the topic.
              "Dagger" is a hypersonic missile, this alone dramatically increases its ability to break through air defense.
              The article does not say anything about the capabilities of the Chinese rocket, which is what I noted.
              Against the background of your words about "... the honesty of the Chinese ..." lol
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 October 2020 14: 57
                +9
                "" Dagger "hypersonic missile" ///
                ----
                ALL ballistic missiles are hypersonic. For over 60 years,
                hypersonic.
                The dagger is an Iskander launched from an airplane, not from the ground.
                1. Rostislav
                  Rostislav 18 October 2020 15: 09
                  +5
                  This is so, almost all ballistic ones are hypersonic.
                  But we are talking about the "Dagger" - an aircraft-based missile system, the missile of which has a speed of about 10M and at the same time is able to maneuver on the way to the target.
                  I am sure that you also know that a "ballistic missile" is a missile moving along a ballistic trajectory (most of the time), that is, it is in uncontrolled motion.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 18 October 2020 15: 30
                    -9
                    Quote: Rostislav
                    whose rocket has a speed of about 10M

                    Firstly, it .. "fairy tales" .. secondly ..... REACHES or can REACH such speeds, but this is not a hyper-sonic rocket .. as it should be .. STEADY flight (if you are talking about this "THIS", says something wassat )
                    Quote: Rostislav
                    while being able to maneuver on the way to the goal.

                    Well, we were already told ... from the "high stands" about flights with maneuvering at speeds M> 27 in dense layers of the atmosphere " lol
                    Quote: Rostislav
                    A "ballistic missile" is a missile that travels along a ballistic trajectory (most of the time), that is, is in uncontrolled motion.

                    After that..you should be sent ... to elementary school, as remember that a rocket flying along a PROGRAMMED route, with the performance of any kind of correction, is a ... CONTROLLED MISSION WEAPON.
                    I'm embarrassed to ask ... what class (from vacation) did you turn on the site from? wassat
                    1. Volder
                      Volder 19 October 2020 22: 59
                      -3
                      Quote: ancient
                      So you think that our "Dagger" will definitely fly ... but the Chinese air-launched ballistic missile ... will not fly?
                      Exactly. It is quite possible to intercept a ballistic missile by calculating its course for an anti-missile. It is impossible to calculate the course of a quasi-ballistic (maneuvering) missile - this is about our "Dagger".
                      Quote: Rostislav
                      whose rocket has a speed of about 10M
                      Quote: ancient
                      Firstly it .. "fairy tales" .. secondly ..... REACHES or can REACH such speeds, but it is not a hypersonic missile .. as it should be .. STEADY flight
                      If the speed exceeds Mach 5 on any part of the path, then this is already hypersound. A steady flight or not is no longer important.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 20 October 2020 12: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Volder
                        It is impossible to calculate the course of a quasi-ballistic (maneuvering) missile - this is about our "Dagger".

                        Who told you that the "maneuvers" at such an altitude will be very amplitude, which will make it possible to disrupt the guidance, command control and capture of the missile defense missile at the NPP? belay (I already wrote to you that all these "maneuvers" are ... so ... for a word of mouth, everything is only according to the programmed)
                        On a dive, it is no longer maneuvers, but aiming at the target ... wake up to maneuver .. you will never hit. wink
                2. Pechkin
                  Pechkin 18 October 2020 15: 24
                  +5
                  It's also surprising, people don't know that even the V-2 is a hypersonic ballistic rocket, and a dagger is an aeroballistic rocket.
                  1. Volder
                    Volder 19 October 2020 22: 46
                    -2
                    Quote: Pechkin
                    Also surprising, people don't know that even the V-2 is a hypersonic ballistic missile. And the dagger is an aeroballistic rocket.
                    One does not interfere with the other: the rocket of the Dagger complex is a hypersonic aeroballistic one.
                  2. the Saint
                    the Saint 20 October 2020 22: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Pechkin
                    Also surprising, people do not know

                    We do not know this. They did not study in gymnasiums. (C)
                    An orphanage (or a large low-income family)> Suvorovskoye,> Higher military> 20 years of service> pension and a post in a private security company, coupled with insanity.
                3. ancient
                  ancient 18 October 2020 15: 42
                  -5
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  ALL ballistic missiles are hypersonic. For over 60 years,
                  hypersonic.

                  And even Buran and Shuttle and all detachable and non-detachable BGs are the same ... hypersonic wink
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The dagger is an Iskander launched from an airplane, not from the ground.

                  Don't put your opponent in the paint wassat ..there is no way to understand that 9M723, 9M723-1 missiles have a speed of .... "about" ..1 800 m / s (from the official media .. I especially like .. "about" wink ) i.e. .. around yes about 5M
                  And then the rocket was reduced in size and suddenly ... it flew ..10M belay belay ... they have no leisure ... that they do not have "direct flow", but offered add a second stage with a 9X820 engine from the 9M723 missile of the Iskander-M complex.
                  Then it will be possible to talk about such speeds at the end of the active section (!!!),
                  but at the same time, of course, the rocket will "recover" to 7500–7600 kilograms and lengthen up to 11 meters.
                  Then he (the rocket) will receive, at the end of the active section, four thousand meters per second, when launched from the MiG-31, necessary to achieve a range of two thousand kilometers.
                  That's where ... wink
                  1. Volder
                    Volder 19 October 2020 23: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: ancient
                    missiles 9M723, 9M723-1 have a speed of .... "about" ..1 800 m / s (from the official media ... I especially like "about", i.e. ... around and about 5M
                    Since the booster section of the Kinzhal missile system has been significantly reduced due to the airborne missile (as opposed to the ground-based Iskander missile), and it maneuvers in all sections of the path, standard sets of passive decoys from ICBMs to break through the missile defense system can be to lay. Instead, a second engine is most likely installed to achieve hypersonic speed and a range of 2000 km.
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 20 October 2020 12: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Volder
                      and she maneuvers all the way

                      This is only possible when programming this mode wink
                      Quote: Volder
                      most likely, a second engine was installed to achieve hypersonic speed and a range of 2000 km.

                      I already wrote to you about this .. another accelerating stage was being assembled ... but on what "they decided" ... I don't know bully
                      Quote: Volder
                      range of 2000 km.

                      This is achieved solely due to the initial speed of the carrier and the operation of the rocket engine on OUT ... then flight only by inertia with braking ... otherwise you will not have any guidance on maneuvering targets wassat
              2. ancient
                ancient 18 October 2020 15: 24
                -9
                Quote: Rostislav
                Personalization is the first sign that there is essentially nothing to say about the topic.

                It is clear ..... decided to portray a "offended" .. is it from incompetence or ... spiritual bonds do not allow? ... And mind you ... this is not a transition to personalities, but just interested in understanding your .. "essence "... it's nice to talk with an interlocutor who is competent and not very good with the category .." fellow -kalok ".... that's why I'm interested.
                Quote: Rostislav
                "Dagger" hypersonic missile,

                After this .. "phrase" of yours ... everything falls into place .. it turns out .. "the chest just opens" lol
                Liebez is already tired .. so try to do it yourself .. although why do you need it ..... "the elder ordered ... lumin .. so it is" lol
                Quote: Rostislav
                The article does not say anything about the capabilities of the Chinese missile

                I already wrote to you about the Chinese rocket ..., and the Chinese wrote in BIG letters (I hope there are no problems with these? wink
                Their missile is a modification of the DF-21D anti-ship missile system of the Dongfeng-21 family, that is .. AEROBALLISTIC and ... X-47M2 .. the same .. AEROBALLISTIC .. why ... already tired of explaining ... so. .. "call" hi
            2. the Saint
              the Saint 19 October 2020 16: 48
              -5
              "Dagger" has no world analogues, according to the TV.
              And American and Chinese missiles already have an analogue in the form of the "Dagger". Therefore, they are much worse than the "Dagger" and will certainly not reach the right place.
        2. Норд
          Норд 18 October 2020 21: 05
          +3
          I'm embarrassed to ask: what and by whom will this wunderpie be guided at such a distance?
          1. ancient
            ancient 19 October 2020 10: 39
            -1
            Quote: Nord
            I'm embarrassed to ask: what and by whom will this wunderpie be guided at such a distance?

            I don't raise such questions here anymore ..... remember in the old days the slogan - ".. who is not with us, he is against us" .. just like that here ... in an instant you will be minus like .. a hedgehog in an autumn forest wink
          2. the Saint
            the Saint 19 October 2020 16: 52
            -6
            Any patriot-Yunarmets without hesitation will answer that Russian missiles are guided from satellites from space. And enemy missiles cannot be aimed at all, and if they try to aim, they will be knocked off the course of the Khibiny, Krasukh and other electronic warfare equipment of the RF Armed Forces, the best in the world and having no world analogues.
            1. Volder
              Volder 19 October 2020 23: 35
              -2
              Quote: el Santo
              And enemy missiles cannot be aimed at all, and if they try to aim, they will be knocked off the course of the Khibiny, Krasukh and other electronic warfare equipment of the RF Armed Forces, the best in the world and having no world analogues.
              Russian electronic warfare systems are indeed the best in the world. The United States admits its technological lag in this direction and from time to time, through the lips of generals, express concerns.
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 20 October 2020 09: 51
                -1
                Quote: Volder
                Russian electronic warfare systems are indeed the best in the world.

                And so that the electorate does not forget about it (to whose wise leadership he owes the best in the world and has no analogues in the world and for which he pays with the African quality of life), he is thrown into funny patriotic tales about how an old Soviet bomber with a container of microcircuits immobilized and death was frightened by the powerful newest US destroyer, ignoring the fact that the Khibiny multifunctional air-based electronic warfare complex (which, in principle, is not able to "spoil" the destroyer, but, rather, everything will turn out the other way around) was never installed on the Su-24.
      2. Harry.km
        Harry.km 18 October 2020 14: 24
        +2
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Previously, the USSR had the largest microcircuits.


        Two news:

        1. December 10, 2014. Scientists of TUSUR have created the first Russian mock-up of a full-color organic OLED-matrix produced by the method of printer printing, and also developed a measuring complex for analyzing the characteristics of such matrices.

        2. According to the source, the Chinese company TCL expects to begin mass production of OLED TV panels using inkjet printing in 2024. TCL's R&D chief confirmed that the company is already designing a T8 production line, which will be located in Guangzhou, at TCL's CSOT (TCL China Star Optoelectronics Technology) facility, owned by TCL Tech.

        According to the Guangzhou Development and Reform Commission 2020 issued by the Guangzhou Development and Reform Commission in June this year, the total investment in the print and flexible display design and manufacturing project exceeds $ 6,8 billion. The construction of the new production facility is scheduled for the period from 2021 to 2023.

        It doesn't even surprise ... There is only one question - how long? The resource of scientists is not endless.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 18 October 2020 15: 06
          -8
          Quote: Harry.km
          The resource of scientists is not endless

          Scientists do not want to reproduce themselves.
          And they don't want to work.
          As the saying goes, those who want will find 100 opportunities, those who don't want - 1000 reasons.
          After all, you can somehow organize the workflow. For example, during the day I chastised couples or worked on a wunderwafe at a research institute, and after that you can work as a courier in Yandex Food for 2-3 hours. After sedentary mental work, health-promoting activity, consider, went for a walk. And sometimes fresh ideas come along on the go. No wonder Aristotle and his students called themselves Peripatetics.
          Or, if the legs are not worn well, but there is a car, then in Uber or Yandex-taxi.
          And on weekends, you can do tutoring or, if finances are more or less bearable, bring up a young shift.
          It is necessary to spin, in general. Times are difficult now, but this is not a reason not to repay the debt to the Motherland.
          1. the Saint
            the Saint 19 October 2020 19: 23
            -1
            First of all, scientific scientists need a complete ban on traveling abroad under any pretext and complete secrecy of their work together with the installation data.
            And those who refuse or will not be able to invent new unprecedented weapons at large, then they will be rounded up in sharashka and forced to work for rations and a phone call at will, taking their families hostage. The history of the USSR testifies to an unprecedented rise in the productivity of scientific work under such conditions.
      3. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 18 October 2020 15: 53
        +2
        Our carrier plays the role of the first stage, and they have a solid-propellant rocket to turn on ramjet engines
      4. halflife3
        halflife3 18 October 2020 16: 37
        +1
        This is a Super Dagger. Approximately 13 meters long
        laughing
      5. Thrombus
        Thrombus 18 October 2020 21: 14
        -1
        How can you launch a rocket suspended from below to an airplane "unpretentious" into space ??? And why ??? She's ballistic and not hypersonic, it's a gibberish, turn your head on though.
      6. Vadim_2
        Vadim_2 19 October 2020 00: 54
        -1
        For most of the experts here, yes.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 October 2020 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: VoroncoV
      Is everyone copying from Russia?

      This is not a copy of Dagger. They are silent about hypersound. So many of their "copies" do not reach the originals.
    4. deniso
      deniso 18 October 2020 16: 25
      +1
      It rarely happens that the Chinese counterpart is better than the real one ...
    5. Overlock
      Overlock 18 October 2020 23: 56
      +5
      Quote: VoroncoV
      Is everyone copying from Russia?

      how much did the USSR and Russia copy itself? what is industrial and military espionage for?
  2. SaLaR
    SaLaR 18 October 2020 12: 39
    -16 qualifying.
    Catch up and overtake Russia ... and in fact they will overtake ... Russia, let's wake up and harness the top three daring ...
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 18 October 2020 12: 50
      -5
      Catch up and overtake Russia ... and they will overtake ...

      For a long time already surpassed this
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 18 October 2020 13: 31
        +8
        Quote: strelokmira
        Catch up and overtake Russia ... and they will overtake ...

        For a long time already surpassed this

        I don’t know about space, I guess they cannot show anything except the ISS. India is stepping on their heels if not we. (minus people, huh me!) Rogozin Foreva looks like, and until there is "Korolev", things will not be very ... what are Putin's ministers like that? Mutki, Rogozin ... and so on are absolutely incompetent. "Don't we leave our own?"
        1. vka
          vka 18 October 2020 15: 08
          0
          there are no others, the rest are lying on the couch and scribbling comments !!!!!
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 18 October 2020 15: 46
            +2
            Everyone should do their own thing wink
      2. Warrior-80
        Warrior-80 18 October 2020 13: 32
        -2
        What was overtaken by drones, it may not be a fact, but in general news bullshit, a hypersonic dagger, here is not a word about it
    2. SaLaR
      SaLaR 18 October 2020 13: 31
      +3
      How many minuses ... and they also say that they do not take offense at the truth .... probably lie ..)))))))
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 18 October 2020 13: 33
        -2
        although it is logical ... it is TRUE, she after all, it hurts eyes ...
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 October 2020 12: 41
    0
    Some kind of "Dagger" - an overgrown ... wassat Well, everything is big in China ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 October 2020 13: 36
      +9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Some kind of "Dagger" - an overgrown ... wassat Well, everything is big in China ...

      so is China big. you can laugh and ridicule them, but the pension today in China, for a city dweller, for example, is twice as high as the Russian one, despite the fact that there are much more pensioners by definition. and in Russia, a rich country with such resources, no one needs old people. but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 18 October 2020 13: 54
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: Dead Day
        but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.

        It is enviable that you have
        hari
        not
        fatty
        or what you don't
        sit in Gazprom

        Feed
        hari fat
        and you will be happy ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 18 October 2020 14: 08
          +6
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Quote: Dead Day
          but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.

          It is enviable that you have
          hari
          not
          fatty
          or what you don't
          sit in Gazprom

          Feed
          hari fat
          and you will be happy ...

          What is this "stream of consciousness"?
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 18 October 2020 14: 36
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Quote: Dead Day
          but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.

          It is enviable that you have
          hari
          not
          fatty
          or what you don't
          sit in Gazprom

          Feed
          hari fat
          and you will be happy ...

          and you, pray for your boar-gods ... yeah.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 18 October 2020 14: 41
            -8
            Quote: Dead Day
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Dead Day
            but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.

            It is enviable that you have
            hari
            not
            fatty
            or what you don't
            sit in Gazprom

            Feed
            hari fat
            and you will be happy ...

            and you, pray for your boar-gods ... yeah.

            This is without you and your friends, how and to whom should I pray ...
            On the topic of the article, you and your friend aleksejkabanets, have something or only antires to salary
            boar gods
            that
            sit in Gazprom
      2. KKND
        KKND 18 October 2020 14: 07
        -4
        Quote: Dead Day
        A rich country with such resources no one needs old people. but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.

        Soviet people must live in asceticism. This is a very dignified way of life in the opinion of most peoples and a huge number of philosophers. Or disagree? Or do you want to have fun with women in Courchevel all your life?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 18 October 2020 14: 40
          +6
          Quote: KKND
          Quote: Dead Day
          A rich country with such resources no one needs old people. but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.

          Soviet people must live in asceticism. This is a very dignified way of life in the opinion of most peoples and a huge number of philosophers. Or disagree? Or do you want to have fun with women in Courchevel all your life?

          well, live in the garbage ... "philosopher", and I, having given my life and health to the country, do not want to run around like a cat in the garbage. the country can be seen in relation to the elderly and children. old people in poverty, children on TV collect money for operations. all Paragraph.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 19 October 2020 00: 10
          +3
          Quote: KKND
          Soviet people must live in asceticism.

          so thought the leaders of the USSR, building communism on a world scale and profiting the development of the country itself. So thinks the Russian authorities and repeats the same mistake. How did it end?
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 18 October 2020 14: 56
        -2
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Some kind of "Dagger" - an overgrown ... wassat Well, everything is big in China ...

        so is China big. you can laugh and ridicule them, but the pension today in China, for a city dweller, for example, is twice as high as the Russian one, despite the fact that there are much more pensioners by definition. and in Russia, a rich country with such resources, no one needs old people. but fat hari sit in Gazprom. refute.
        Pension in China for urban residents in terms of our 24.6 thousand rubles. for rural residents (while the majority of the population) 1240 rubles. So that's it. In Moscow, the pension is 20 thousand ... with or without additional payments ...
        1. smart fellow
          smart fellow 18 October 2020 23: 12
          0
          It might be wrong to compare average country pension with increased in a separate region?
          https://chinese-russian.ru/news/?news=337
          The size of the pension varies from province to province. Highest average pension in Tibet - 4071 yuan (47385 rubles. at the yuan exchange rate as of 17.10.2020/817/XNUMX), the lowest in Chongqing city - XNUMX yuan (9509 rubles.)
          pension for agricultural workers and unemployed urban residents. These populations receive minimum content from the PRC government: on average, 600-700 yuan (about 5600-6500 rubles), in some provinces - 1200 yuan (11 200 rubles).
      4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 18 October 2020 15: 30
        -7
        Quote: Dead Day
        disprove

        In China, the minimum pension is about 7 thousand rubles of ours. And almost 50% of Chinese pensioners receive this minimum wage.
        The average pension of the remaining 50% is about 25 thousand of our rubles. BUT! At the same time, the size of the pension strongly depends on the region and belonging to the state bureaucratic cohort. In other words, the same average 25 tr. obtained by adding small pensions from hundreds of other millions of pensioners from a poor province and a couple of million pensions from really wealthy pensioners from the same Hong Kong or Mokao, and even not forgetting to add retired officials here, about whom China traditionally cares more than everyone else. It teaches that even these 25 thousand rubles is the average for the hospital, moreover, only for half of the pensioners. The remaining half are content with 7 tr. per month.
        Details spoil your picture a bit, don't they? Twice as high and not close.
        And if, for example, we also remember that there is no free medicine as such in China (hello to our communists, who offer to learn social justice from China), then it turns out quite sad. So they devour bats out of despair.
        1. smart fellow
          smart fellow 18 October 2020 23: 29
          0
          Chinese retirees have recently been seen abroad as often as Japanese
          https://rg.ru/2018/07/25/kak-ustroena-pensionnaia-sistema-v-sovremennom-kitae.html
          Where did you see the hopelessness?

          The transition of the Chinese economy from a planned to a market model negatively affected the development of healthcare in the country. The government launched a series of reforms in this area, and by the end of the 80s, health indicators across the country improved, life expectancy increased to about 70 years, and infant mortality decreased. However, free treatment was available only to state employees and the military. In October 2008, a new project of medical reforms was presented, which included the following goals: to ensure coverage of medical insurance for 90% of the population by 2011; create a powerful pharmaceutical industry, including innovative drugs; improve the infrastructure of primary health care. 125 billion dollars have been allocated for the implementation, and investments are currently going on schedule. By 2020, China plans to provide 100% of the population with basic health care through budget funding, as well as introduce multi-tier health insurance. On June 10, 2016, the China Health 2030 project was proposed as part of the health development program.
          https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/7ed3baaa
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 19 October 2020 01: 05
            0
            Quote: smart fellow
            Chinese retirees have recently been seen abroad as often as Japanese

            I clearly wrote that there are, for example, Hong Kong and Macau retirees or civil service retirees who are, as it were, a drop in the bucket among Chinese retirees, but which, due to the total number of Chinese, are still not a couple of hundred and they are noticeable. Not mastered the entire text? In vain.

            Quote: smart fellow
            In October 2008 <...> a project of medical reforms <...> by 2011 <...> 125 billion dollars were allocated for implementation

            Did you have a division operation at school?
            We divide 125 billion by the population of China (1.4 billion) and divide by 3 years, we get about $ 30 per person per year! I am sure that this reform has just radically turned the whole medicine of China)))) For 30 bucks a year you can turn mountains)))))) It's as much as 3 bottles of brilliant green per month per person!
            1. smart fellow
              smart fellow 19 October 2020 08: 05
              0
              I clearly wrote that there are, for example, Hong Kong and Macau retirees or civil service retirees who are, as it were, a drop in the bucket among Chinese retirees, but which, due to the total number of Chinese, are still not a couple of hundred and they are noticeable. Not mastered the entire text? In vain.

              Okay, let's go in order.
              In Russia, similarly, there are pensioners such as V. Matvienko, governors, whose pensions are hundreds of thousands of rubles a month, therefore, for comparison, the average pension in China is taken
              25 thousand rubles is the average for the hospital
              The average pension in Russia is 15 thousand rubles.
              In China, the minimum pension is about 7 thousand rubles of ours.

              pension for agricultural workers and unemployed urban residents. These groups of the population receive the minimum allowance from the PRC government: on average, 600-700 yuan (about 5600-6500 rubles), in some provinces - 1200 yuan (11 rubles).
              https://chinese-russian.ru/news/?news=337
              In Russia, the fixed payment is RUB 5334,19. This is the minimum pension, which is lower than the Chinese one.
              And almost 50% of Chinese pensioners receive this minimum wage.

              This is for rural pensioners, while in China the rural population is not 50%, but 40%.
              There is no need to compare warm with spicy, the brains must also be turned on.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 19 October 2020 22: 46
                -1
                Quote: smart fellow
                In Russia, the fixed payment is 5334,19 rubles

                None of the pensioners gets their hands on less than the living wage in Russia. And this is about 9 thousand. In China, they learn from the hands of 5 kopecks.

                Quote: smart fellow
                The average pension in Russia is 15 thousand rubles.

                Well, tau is the average in Russia, not in Moscow. I understand that it is difficult for you to perform the simplest calculations, so I will help you.

                To start:
                Quote: smart fellow
                the rural population is not 50%, but 40%.

                This happened relatively recently. Young people (attention - youth) went to the cities, as a result the Chinese claim that now the rural population is 40%. But the old people just stayed in the villages and stayed there - only the youth moved. Thus, we can safely say that at least 60% of Chinese pensioners live in the countryside and receive their 5 (okay, even 6). Thus, the average pension in China is no more than: 25 * 0.4 + 6 * 0.6 ~ 14 thousand rubles. At the same time, it is distributed extremely unevenly, the majority of Chinese receive 5 kopecks, which is almost 2 times less than our minimum.
                At the same time, the unfortunate Chinese still have to pay for medicine! Those. they seem to be given a pension, but they immediately take it back through paid medical services, etc. And there is no such thing as a disability pension for all incentives in China at all.
                And what is the point of giving us an example of this cannibalistic state?
                1. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 20 October 2020 01: 18
                  +1
                  Why is China a cannibalistic state? The cannibalistic (this is not my wording) pension reform has not taken place in Russia. Then it turns out that Russia is a cannibalistic state. The population is declining in absolute terms, and even the influx of migrants (Tajiks, Uzbeks, Donbass residents, ...) cannot compensate for the population decline.

                  I have not used China as an example. I noticed that you are juggling numbers and, by the way, continue to do so.

                  Why are Chinese people unhappy? This year they will get rid of poverty officially, and in Russia there are 20 million poor officially.

                  About Chinese tourists. There are more and more of them in Russia and how many of them are "rich" Chinese pensioners? "Rich" Chinese pensioners go to Europe, the United States, not Russia. I myself was not abroad because I was a couch potato. On the contrary, my brother needs to visit there at least 2 times a year. In extreme cases in Seoul or China, if it does not work in Norway or the USA. The last time he was vacationing in Sanya (this was before the COVID pandemic), all the popular places were packed with Chinese retirees from the mainland.
      5. Dodikson
        Dodikson 18 October 2020 15: 35
        -2
        you should have had Kolomoisky on your ava.
        the same gussky who lies that he breathes.
        China's pension is less than ours, and less than a third of older people receive it.
        the vast majority in China live on $ 10 a month. so leave your tales kaklam, they willingly believe in this.
      6. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 18 October 2020 16: 47
        0
        Stop lying already. Well, there are no pensions in China from the word - at all, only to civil servants, of whom there are very few ... You at least prepare a subject for whining ...
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 18 October 2020 17: 57
          -2
          Quote: Cottodraton
          Well, there are no pensions in China from the word-at all,

          It seems like they have appeared recently. But the situation with them is still far from normal. I described above
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 19 October 2020 00: 11
          +4
          Quote: Cottodraton
          Well, there are no pensions in China from the word-at all

          so there is no pension fund
      7. Leon68
        Leon68 18 October 2020 20: 43
        +2
        And it is possible to clarify how much the pension in China is greater than in Russia, and to whom, in general, is it received? And then when visiting the Celestial Empire, personally from the guide, I clarified about pensions. So the answer was that only a few strata of their society receive a pension: functionaries (party and administrative), military and civil servants. And it's almost truncated. The bulk of the population DOES NOT RECEIVE a pension! This is the answer received from the Chinese guide. The question was asked due to the fact that a lot of old people (over 70 years old) caught the eye of those working in different fields.
        1. smart fellow
          smart fellow 19 October 2020 10: 26
          0
          Search ask
          pensions in china

          for example website
          https://chinese-russian.ru/news/?news=337
      8. skifd
        skifd 19 October 2020 10: 49
        0
        Old (who is a "grandfather"), a network to help you, googled the weak about pensions in a bureaucrat for social groups of the population and may you be happy ...
    2. halpat
      halpat 18 October 2020 14: 11
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Some kind of "Dagger" - an overgrown ... wassat Well, everything is big in China ...

      except for the Chinese :) but in this aspect they take the number :))
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 18 October 2020 23: 33
        -1
        An acquaintance served in Mongolia during the Soviet era. Chinese soldiers averaged 1m 90cm. Small southerners, in the same Hong Kong, 1,5 m each.
  4. poquello
    poquello 18 October 2020 12: 42
    0
    "Among the likely carriers are the JH-7 strike fighter."
    and what are the dimensions of their bomber?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 18 October 2020 13: 57
      -3
      Quote: poquello
      "Among the likely carriers are the JH-7 strike fighter."
      and what are their dimensions bomber?

      JH-7 is a fighter-bomber, which follows from the letter designation ....
      Initially, the new aircraft was designated H-7 (H - Hongzhaji, or bomber), and then was renamed JH-7 (Jianjiji-Hongzhaji - fighter-bomber).

      https://topwar.ru/61758-kitayskiy-istrebitel-bombardirovschik-jh-7-letayuschiy-leopard.html
      1. poquello
        poquello 18 October 2020 14: 55
        0
        Quote: Lara Croft
        JH-7 is a fighter-bomber, which follows from the letter designation ....

        Well

        length 21 meters and hung with a length of almost 35, and the rocket in the photo with a third of the hung
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 18 October 2020 15: 21
          -3
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Lara Croft
          JH-7 is a fighter-bomber, which follows from the letter designation ....

          Well

          length 21 meters and hung with a length of almost 35, and the rocket in the photo with a third of the hung

          what is all this for?
          1. poquello
            poquello 18 October 2020 15: 31
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft
            what is all this for?

            how it will look if you draw a rocket
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 18 October 2020 15: 51
              -1
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Lara Croft
              what is all this for?

              how it will look if you draw a rocket

              Lord, it was created to replace the outdated Q-5 attack aircraft, created on the basis of the MiG-19 ...
              JH-7A is a more advanced version, the author probably meant it ... and even then ...
              see bottom my comment ...
  5. wow
    wow 18 October 2020 12: 46
    -7
    Chinese "partners" are good copywriters, nothing more. Tu - 16 in its pure form and, the rocket is most likely from the same "baggage".
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 18 October 2020 13: 43
      +2
      Quote: yo-mine
      good copywriters

      The word "copywriter" (copywriter) is interpreted as "writer of advertising and propaganda texts"
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 October 2020 14: 06
      +5
      Quote: yo-mine
      Chinese "partners" are good copywriters

      All the time, copying is reproached with China. Guys, did the USSR not copy anything? Or the USA? Or Europe?
      EVERYONE COPIES FROM ANOTHER! And the special services in the same way extract information about the new developments of the enemy, in order to then create their own using these data. Or is it a big secret?
      Che for the puppy squeals about copying then?
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 18 October 2020 14: 41
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS
        ALL COPY FROM EACH OTHER!

        TRUE! good
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 18 October 2020 13: 02
    +1
    In give, do not lag behind in anything)
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 October 2020 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      In give, do not lag behind in anything

      And in terms of speed?
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 18 October 2020 18: 18
        +1
        I think this is classified information.
  7. DEVIL LIFE`S
    DEVIL LIFE`S 18 October 2020 13: 03
    -2
    Though cumbersome, it probably works.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 18 October 2020 13: 10
    +7
    Yes, I look at the Chinese bombers, but I see Soviet aviation! request
  9. Operator
    Operator 18 October 2020 13: 16
    -2
    The Chinese H-6N missile carrier, armed with the DF-21D MRBM, will completely clear the coastal water area of ​​5000 km from American aircraft carriers, which coincides with the detection range of surface targets of the Chinese ZGRLS, created on the basis of the Russian "Container":
    maximum detection range of 6000 km - radius of land dead zone 1000 km.

    The Chinese rule while the aircraft carrier lobby in Russia chews on other people's snot.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 18 October 2020 13: 21
      +5
      The Chinese H-6N missile carrier, armed with the DF-21D MRBM, will completely clear the coastal water area of ​​5000 km from American aircraft carriers, which coincides with the detection range of surface targets of the Chinese ZGRLS, created on the basis of the Russian "Container":


      And target designation?
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 18 October 2020 13: 34
        +7
        Zgrls cannot give target designation, only bring it to the target. Or warn of a missile strike thousands of kilometers away, the range allows the air defense to have time to react. This is where it is useful.
        1. KKND
          KKND 18 October 2020 13: 47
          0
          Quote: Pechkin
          Zgrls cannot give target designation, only bring to the target

          Maybe only the height cannot be measured, but for ground targets it does not matter. On the ancient "Komar" there was a small ZGRLS "Rangout" and worked up to 80 kilometers.
          Another thing, I'm not sure that it is possible to transmit accurate data from a ground-based ZGRLS to destroy sea targets from an aircraft. And the capacity for 4000 km may not be enough. The EPR of even an aircraft carrier is much smaller than that of the launching BR. The operator is sometimes right, but he often loves to fantasize.
      2. ancient
        ancient 18 October 2020 18: 24
        +2
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        And target designation?

        Target designation is carried out by means of radar and optoelectronic equipment of Yaogan satellites. wink
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 18 October 2020 18: 26
          0
          Target designation is carried out by means of radar and optoelectronic equipment of Yaogan satellites.


          Thanks! I'm not in radar. And in Chinese and completely. If they can, then everything is in chocolate. hi
          1. Igor Semenov
            Igor Semenov 19 October 2020 19: 30
            0
            Hello Keyser Soze! Here our colleague Timokhin A.A. talks in detail and very sensibly about the difficulties of detecting surface forces. There is, among other things, about the capabilities of satellites. https://topwar.ru/176082-morskaja-vojna-dlja-nachinajuschih-vyvodim-avianosec-na-udar.html This Chinese fool will not find any ship for 2500 km. For geostationary sites only (Guam?)
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 18 October 2020 13: 31
    +2
    So then all "are weapons", this is not news.
    The question is, who is this warning intended for?
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 October 2020 15: 38
      +2
      Definitely, first of all, "exceptional", and then, and then to us ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2020 15: 50
        +1
        And yet, such a weapon is very specific. It is more a means of protection against specific threats.
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 October 2020 15: 53
          +3
          Of course, this is a direct signal to the United States and to us - what they say we can ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 October 2020 16: 50
            0
            Basically, just a big rocket, this is a large, visible target, which is easier to hit. It all depends on her performance characteristics !!!
            1. cniza
              cniza 18 October 2020 17: 07
              +2
              The size of course affects, but speed and ability to maneuver are important, and this is no longer quite a ballistic missile ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 08
                +2
                You can stuff a lot into a big rocket! Electronic warfare equipment and so on, but without maneuvering and overspeed, everything becomes boring for her.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 18 October 2020 18: 19
                  +2
                  The Chinese really want to be in the same row with us and they succeed ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 22
                    +2
                    Perseverance and finances they have enough ... a design school, not an ICE!
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 18 October 2020 18: 28
                      +2
                      Well, in materials, metals and others, not everyone can ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 36
                        +1
                        Advanced rocket technology, this is not halam balam. Here you need to BE ABLE and KNOW.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 18 October 2020 18: 39
                        +2
                        And also to have a school, and it has been developing for decades ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 October 2020 18: 49
                        +2
                        They will do it, because the rod is in this direction, but the advanced rocket builders will go ahead ... if they do not mark time.
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 18 October 2020 20: 54
                        +2
                        Here the systematic approach should work, they try very hard ...
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 October 2020 21: 17
                        0
                        Good time, resources and TEACHERS are needed! Plus, a serious academic scientific school.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 18 October 2020 13: 31
    11
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    The Chinese H-6N missile carrier, armed with the DF-21D MRBM, will completely clear the coastal water area of ​​5000 km from American aircraft carriers, which coincides with the detection range of surface targets of the Chinese ZGRLS, created on the basis of the Russian "Container":


    And target designation?


    Through the tick tock
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 18 October 2020 13: 49
    0
    Among the likely carriers are the JH-7 strike fighter.

    It's unlikely ...
    After the appearance of a new modification of the Flying Leopard with improved combat characteristics, the aircraft entered service with the PLA Air Force in 2004. In many ways, this was a forced measure associated with aging and the urgent need to replace the main Chinese light carriers of tactical nuclear weapons - the outdated Q-5 attack aircraft, created on the basis of the MiG-19.
    If analogs of the JH-7 can be considered such aircraft of the late 1960s as the F-4K and F-4E, then the JH-7A fighter-bomber is more appropriate to compare with the Phantoms upgraded in the 1980s-90s (for example, the Israeli Phantom 2000 or the Japanese F-4EJKai).

    https://topwar.ru/61758-kitayskiy-istrebitel-bombardirovschik-jh-7-letayuschiy-leopard.html
    ....... and the promising stealth bomber H-20

    It's not soon ...
    In the foreign press at different times there were versions about the use of their own Chinese and imported engines. According to the first, an upgraded version of the WS-20 turbojet was created for the H-10. According to another version, China ordered from Russia one of the options for the existing NK-32... At the expense of H-20, the PLA will update their strategic aviation, and the strategic nuclear forces will have a full-fledged modern and combat-ready air component capable of threatening a potential enemy. Naturally, the appearance of such an aircraft will not go unnoticed by other countries and will become an incentive for the development of air defense and air forces. At the same time, the bomber will contribute to the growth of tension in the AP region, since none of the opposing countries will want to give up their positions.
    However, all this is a matter of the distant future. While the main topic can be considered the expected first display of a promising aircraft. If South China Morning Post sources are correct, the public will see the Xian H-20 next fall. And the first show of the bomber will be a step towards all further events. According to various sources, serial production of the H-20 should begin by the middle of the decade, and approximately in 2025 the aircraft will begin service.

    https://topwar.ru/171149-bombardirovschik-xian-h-20-pervyj-pokaz-jepidemija-i-politika.html
  • askort154
    askort154 18 October 2020 13: 49
    +2
    It is assumed that the new air-launched anti-ship missile is a modification of the DF-21D anti-ship missile family "Dongfeng-21" (East wind-21) ground-based.

    A strange name - "East Wind"? If you bind, literally, to the cardinal points,
    which Chinese "enemy" falls under this direction? USA - in the East of China, Russia in the North, India in the South-West, purely in the West - all the "trifle" (Afghanistan, Iran, etc.). It turns out that this is not an encroachment on individual states, but on today's civilization, conditionally divided into Eastern and Western. Five-thousand-year-old China continues to think not for tens of years, but for hundreds of years ahead. Therefore, already now, many countries are enviously looking at him, although half a century ago, he was not taken "seriously."
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 18 October 2020 19: 14
      -1
      1. "The wind is blowing into the compass."
      2. East wind is the wind from the east side.
      3. To the east of the PRC - the Pacific Ocean.
  • Safer
    Safer 18 October 2020 13: 52
    +7
    The article contains only assumptions. It is not at all clear what the Chinese complex is, the same with the "Dagger". VO somehow becomes shallow, instead of a constructive discussion, in comments, CHSH, one nonsense about copying technologies and so on, not directly related to the article.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 18 October 2020 13: 52
    0
    By the way, for those who do not know - the modernized "Chinese Tu-16"
    not only not worse than the Tu-22m3, but even better in some aspects.
    1. KKND
      KKND 18 October 2020 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: Bez 310
      "Chinese Tu-16"

      the ancient Tu-16 was also very praised ...
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 18 October 2020 15: 38
      0
      and why is it better?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 18 October 2020 15: 49
        0
        Well, more economical, it's definitely ...
        The combat radius is larger.
        And most importantly, he is more human.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 22 October 2020 13: 24
          0
          There people come through the door!
    3. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 18 October 2020 15: 47
      0
      And for those who know, but not everything, I wonder what is the advantage of the Chinese bomber (except, perhaps, the cost)?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 October 2020 14: 07
    0
    And what's wrong with these missiles. After all, the main thing for her is to quickly determine her location, speed and direction of flight of the carrier. And after dropping and turning on the engines, start maneuvering towards the target, like a conventional ground missile.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 18 October 2020 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      And what's wrong with these missiles.

      Range 2500 km.
      Presumably.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 18 October 2020 14: 29
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    I was interested in the carrier - an analogue - almost a copy of the Soviet TU-16. But only in the post-USSR a quarter of a century was it removed from service. And in China, an analogue of the H6 with might and main drags along promising missiles.

    Lean, devils wassat
  • bang
    bang 18 October 2020 14: 33
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    China showed for the first time a more powerful analogue of the Russian "Dagger"
    RCC DF-21D

    The Dagger is not a ballistic missile. This Chinese "analogue" is "the first and only anti-ship ballistic rocket. "And it means that it has no analogues in the world.
    The only thing that unites the Chinese missile with the "Dagger" is the task of reducing the composition of the enemy fleet.
  • asr55
    asr55 18 October 2020 15: 13
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    The Kinzhal hypersonic aviation missile system (ARC) is designed to deliver high-precision strikes against moving surface and stationary ground targets. It includes a high-speed carrier aircraft and the Kh-47M2 aeroballistic missile. Show it doesn't mean anything yet. The United States has been showing the flight of its hypersonic missile for ten years. But there is still no controlled, controlled flight.
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  • Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A 18 October 2020 15: 29
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    Until there is a successful real test of this flying "hair dryer" on a naval moving target, everyone "gives a damn about it."
  • deniso
    deniso 18 October 2020 16: 26
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    Oh dagger, dagger ... first you need to do it, confirm what you did with successful tests, and only then talk about the dagger. And if they can only show a cartoon, then they did it. However, a cartoon is enough for the naive.
  • shadow
    shadow 18 October 2020 16: 33
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    The model was shown, and how much squeal, perhaps not even flying.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 18 October 2020 16: 34
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    The "experts" are always surprising. Everyone has already counted and passed a verdict ... but who provided these guys with the performance characteristics?)
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  • Old26
    Old26 18 October 2020 16: 44
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    Quote: Rostislav
    "Dagger" is a hypersonic missile, this alone dramatically increases its ability to break through air defense.
    The article does not say anything about the capabilities of the Chinese rocket, which is what I noted.

    Comrade! And the religion itself does not allow to search for the necessary information. Finding her is a matter of two minutes. The CH-AS-X-13 rocket is based on the DF-21 rocket. Created with composite materials to make it lighter. The range of the DF-21 is 2000 km. For missiles with a range of 2000 km, the speed at the end of the OUT is 4000 m / s, which, when converted to the M number, gives about 13M. The speed of the "Dagger" at the end of OUT is about 2100 m / s, which gives 6,6M. That is, the speed of the Chinese is 2 times higher. Since with its capabilities

    Quote: Rostislav
    But we are talking about the "Dagger" - an aircraft-based missile system, the missile of which has a speed of about 10M and at the same time is able to maneuver on the way to the target.
    I am sure that you also know that a "ballistic missile" is a missile moving along a ballistic trajectory (most of the time), that is, it is in uncontrolled motion.

    The Dagger's own speed at the end of the OUT is 6,6M. Plus, add to this about 1,5M of the carrier, which can be considered as the first stage of the system. The speed will be about 9M. About maneuvering on the way to the target. How and how the Dagger can maneuver. when he has an engine running time of 15-20 seconds. He maneuvers a lot with aerodynamic planes.

    Quote: KKND
    Soviet people must live in asceticism. This is a very dignified way of life in the opinion of most peoples and a huge number of philosophers. Or disagree? Or do you want to have fun with women in Courchevel all your life?

    Stereotype of thinking, dear. If a person wants to live like normal people live in other countries, then one should immediately think that for him the purpose of life is Courchevel and girls?
    Why should a person who has given 40-50 years of his life for the good of his country live on the brink of poverty, or, as you say, be an ascetic. Limit yourself in everything. For what? Why?
    Nobody forbids you to live in asceticism. Limit yourself to only the most essential food, put away (or throw away in the trash) TV, mobile phone, computer. Lead an ascetic lifestyle. Maybe you will become a philosopher. And most of the people prefer a decent lifestyle. Most have lived ascetically for most of their lives anyway.

    Quote: Dead Day
    well, live in the garbage ... "philosopher", and I, having given my life and health to the country, do not want to run around like a cat in the garbage. the country can be seen in relation to the elderly and children. old people in poverty, children on TV collect money for operations. all Paragraph.

    good

    Quote: Lara Croft
    JH-7 is a fighter-bomber, which follows from the letter designation ....

    But he is unlikely to lift even a light version of the DF-21D. And it EMNIP weighs 14,7 tons. Even in the aviation version it was made lighter, but it is unlikely that it could be lifted by a fighter-bomber

    Quote: askort154
    It is assumed that the new air-launched anti-ship missile is a modification of the DF-21D anti-ship missile family "Dongfeng-21" (East wind-21) ground-based.

    A strange name - "East Wind"? If you bind, literally, to the cardinal points,
    which Chinese "enemy" falls under this direction? USA - in the East of China, Russia in the North, India in the South-West, purely in the West - all the "trifle" (Afghanistan, Iran, etc.). It turns out that this is not an encroachment on individual states, but on today's civilization, conditionally divided into Eastern and Western. Five-thousand-year-old China continues to think not for tens of years, but for hundreds of years ahead. Therefore, already now, many countries are enviously looking at him, although half a century ago, he was not taken "seriously."

    There is no need to look for meaning in their names. For them, the same cruise missiles may be called "Red Bird" or "Shock Eagle". And SLBM - "Big Wave". And dozens of flowery, purely oriental names

    Quote: bang-bong
    The Dagger is not a ballistic missile.

    And which one? Air-launched ballistic missile - or aeroballistic missile if you like
  • Gunther
    Gunther 18 October 2020 19: 11
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    Quote: Author
    China showed for the first time a more powerful analogue of the Russian "Dagger"

    belay
    the word "analogue" means - with the same performance characteristics, where is ANALOGUE here?
    At best, which I doubt is a repetition of the R27K project hi
  • Aleksandr Strukov
    Aleksandr Strukov 18 October 2020 19: 50
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    YES, well done. Well, hardworking nation, you won’t say anything. Russia is a lazy people. Although the most self-sufficient country in the world, it depends on imports. Disgracers. There is nothing of my own. Neither sophisticated household appliances, office or industrial. All because of the "hillock" (but mainly from China) we are taking. Thank God, at least with the military we are not lagging behind.
  • Operator
    Operator 18 October 2020 21: 19
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    Quote: Keyser Soze
    And target designation?

    External - ZGRLS is the same: at least with the determination of the square of the target location 100x100 km (with subsequent radar homing of the missile head on AB at the terminal section of the trajectory).
  • amr
    amr 18 October 2020 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: VoroncoV
    And we in Russia prefer to wet it if they are already starting to become impudent ..
    This is the mentality

    aha, it’s a pity that it’s always with the last bit of strength!
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 19 October 2020 00: 04
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    Just as experts note, it is not yet clear on which carriers, besides the H-6N bombers, the new missile can be used. Among the likely carriers are the JH-7 strike fighter and the promising H-20 stealth bomber.

    Of course, I understand that you can write an article through Google translator, but damn the size of what you are describing can you imagine?
    In the photo DF-21D

    I understand that a strategic bomber will take one such, but write about a fighter !!)))
  • skifd
    skifd 19 October 2020 10: 24
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    No, well, damn it is cool, as a bunch of commentators rushed to admire the "article" about the great-rank-wunderwaffle!
  • kiborg
    kiborg 19 October 2020 10: 37
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    Analogue of the Dagger in what parameters ?? Nothing is said about speed, but this is the main characteristic.
  • Old26
    Old26 19 October 2020 14: 11
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    Quote: Alexander 3
    Our carrier plays the role of the first stage, and they have a solid-propellant rocket to turn on ramjet engines

    If it is made on the basis of the DF-21D, then there are no direct-flow engines in the second stage. Conventional solid rocket

    Quote: Thrombus
    How can you launch a rocket suspended from below to an airplane "unpretentious" into space ??? And why ??? She's ballistic and not hypersonic, it's a gibberish, turn your head on though.

    And it's elementary. Take the same American Pegasus. Launched in general from the cargo version of the DC-10 passenger aircraft
    ASAT was generally launched from the F-15. And they have it not only ballistic (more precisely aeroballistic), but also hypersonic (the speed is about 3-4M more than that of our "Dagger")

    Quote: kiborg
    Analogue of the Dagger in what parameters ?? Nothing is said about speed, but this is the main characteristic.

    And take and see the speed of a rocket with a range of 2000-2500 km. Almost 11M
  • Woland
    Woland 19 October 2020 17: 01
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    The distance between "say" and "do" is very large and not always overcome. Wait and see. The Americans also wanted a lot. threatened to do but things are still there. Not everything is as seen. money decides
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 19 October 2020 18: 56
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    From 2500 km on a surface target? It is extremely unlikely to hit something
  • meandr51
    meandr51 19 October 2020 19: 35
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    The Dagger is not a ballistic missile. Otherwise, everything is correct.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 19 October 2020 21: 24
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    China showed for the first time a more powerful analogue of the Russian "Dagger"


    The title of the article is interesting, but in reality we are dealing with conventional weapons incapable of reaching hypersonic speeds like that of the Dagger.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 20 October 2020 01: 43
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    Well, there seems to be no copying of our Dagger of the PRC, but a ballistic missile with a range of 2500 km has been made. We already need to learn something from them. After all, their enemy is the same as that of theirs. But they will also achieve that they will equip this missile with a nuclear charge and the Merikans in the ocean will run away from them.
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 22 October 2020 13: 23
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    This is an American waverider-type missile - hypersonic with a scramjet engine. Our similar missile is the Zircon, not the Dagger. And he immediately got on the plane from the Chinese, and not like ours ... Author, look at the photo, please.