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Camouflage does not help: Azerbaijan showed the destruction of MLRS and other military equipment of the enemy

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The network discusses publications of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, which demonstrate the destruction of enemy equipment. The destruction of warehouses of fuels and lubricants by air strikes is demonstrated.


The footage presented by the Azerbaijani military department shows that after the airstrike, a fire started on the territory of the building complex.

You can also see the damage that is caused by an air strike.


Another video demonstrates the destruction of armored vehicles and multiple launch rocket systems of the Armenian forces in the conflict zone in Nagorno-Karabakh. Direct hits to the MLRS are visible. It is also clearly visible that the strikes were applied to the technique, which was disguised by the Armenian side. Earlier, the troops of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic deployed equipment, including Tanks, without any camouflage, in fact in an open area. But, as this video shows, camouflage does not help, including a specific camouflage under the branches of separately growing bushes.


In this video, you can also see the detonation of ammunition of military equipment, into which shells (missiles) of Azerbaijani troops fall.

Earlier it was reported about the destruction of the Armenian army by the Azerbaijani troops of the S-300 air defense system. Attention is drawn to the fact that the complex was in a "combat state". The Armenian side did not comment on these statements.
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  1. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 17: 03 New
    -11
    It is also clearly visible that the strikes were applied to the equipment, which was disguised by the Armenian side.


    Helped?




    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 October 2020 17: 12 New
      40
      These bushes grow well, very apart from the rest. In Russian they say - WITHOUT PALEV.
      1. venik
        venik 17 October 2020 19: 19 New
        11
        Quote: Krasnodar
        These bushes grow well, very apart from the rest. In Russian they say - WITHOUT PALEV.

        =======
        Ну и кроме того могли быть использованы ИК камеры, а там уж одними "кустами" - не замаскируешься - если техника нагрета - все равно "светиться" будет!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 October 2020 19: 21 New
          24
          Yes, but besides that there is a rut
          Fair? This is a massacre
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 17 October 2020 20: 16 New
            +7
            Из всех кадров замаскированы были только вот эти "кусты".
            Only some pale ones. They stand separately, and the tracks approach them.
            And the rest are under the open sky.
            If they were able to open the caponier, was it really impossible to hang a net over it?
            Прям лето 1941-ого, господство фашистов в небе. Турки ведь и там были "вроде как нейтралы", а на собирались присоединиться к Гитлеру в конце 1942-ого. Зато, как только немцы стали проигрывать, сразу присоединились к антигитлеровской коалиции.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 17 October 2020 20: 23 New
              -5
              A couple of days ago, rocket launchers were destroyed on the territory of Armenia. This is already an attack on the territory of a CSTO member state.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 17 October 2020 20: 25 New
                +5
                Quote: military_cat
                A couple of days ago, rocket launchers were destroyed on the territory of Armenia. This is already an attack on the territory of a CSTO member state.

                Do not confuse offense and defense.
                1. Graz
                  Graz 18 October 2020 01: 50 New
                  -27
                  and yet Russia must launch a missile strike on the infrastructure of Azerbaijan, it is in our interests to prevent the expansion of Turkey to the Caucasus in the bud only in this way, under the threat of the complete impoverishment of Azerbaijanis
                  1. Old Kaa
                    Old Kaa 18 October 2020 22: 37 New
                    -1
                    Judging by the number of minuses, it is not in Russia's interests to prevent Turkey's expansion to the Caucasus and further to Central Asia and Siberia.
                    1. nora
                      nora 19 October 2020 08: 17 New
                      0
                      certainly not in the interest
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 17 October 2020 20: 26 New
                0
                Yes, but there was a video of their combat deployment.
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 17 October 2020 20: 58 New
                  +5
                  In the definition of aggression according to UN Resolution 3314, the bombing or shelling of territory is included, but preparation for anything is not included.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 17 October 2020 21: 15 New
                    +6
                    The question is not in the definitions of the UN, but in the rules of the CSTO. They, of course, can also be interpreted in different ways, but here everything depends on Russia's desire.
                    Today, according to the Russian World website, 17% of schoolchildren in Azerbaijan study in Russian classes.
                    URL:
                    https://russkiymir.ru/news/277808/
                    A respectful attitude towards the Russian language is preserved in Azerbaijan, and most of the population of Azerbaijan speaks it. The interest of young people in its study remains.

                    Let us remind you that earlier Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted the popularity of Russian-language education in Azerbaijan.
                    1. the Saint
                      the Saint 17 October 2020 22: 00 New
                      24
                      Expert of the Institute for Strategic Studies Eurasia Tatiana Borzova.
                      “We have researched sociological data over the past 12 years. The situation in Armenia impressed us the most. It ranks first in terms of the ratio of Russian-speaking people who left the country to the total number of emigrants - 64%, followed by Kazakhstan - 54%, followed by Moldova and Transnistria - 50%, ”she said. As it turned out, it is in Armenia that the smallest number of Russians and Russian-speaking population live - this country is practically mono-ethnic. The research formula shows a very alarming situation.

                      “The existence of foreign language schools in Azerbaijan is not allowed at all. An attempt to allow at least primary education not in Armenian caused an explosion of discontent in Armenia "
                      It becomes clear that the reason for the outflow of the Russian population is due not only to the economic crisis and ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijan, but also because of the anti-Russian policy of the ruling elite, as well as Russophobic sentiments among ordinary citizens of Armenia.
                    2. Misha Honest
                      Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 23 New
                      -12
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      17% of schoolchildren in Azerbaijan study in Russian classes.

                      Uh-huh - they prepare martyrs for the Turks ... Hurray! fellow hi
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 24 New
                        +1
                        Rather, wholesalers for trade with Russia.
                      2. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 26 New
                        -8
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Rather, wholesalers for trade with Russia.

                        One does not interfere with the other - yesterday wholesalers - tomorrow martyrs ...
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 31 New
                        0
                        The day after tomorrow - workers of the socialist trade, free from effendi, after the day after tomorrow - the Kemalists. So what are these allusions to their religion for?
                      4. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 33 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The day after tomorrow - workers of the socialist trade, free from effendi, after the day after tomorrow - the Kemalists. So what are these allusions to their religion for?

                        Chechnya, Syria, Libya ... Are there so few HINTS for you that your brain is numb ?!
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 39 New
                        +2
                        Iran, the Palestinians - are friends, for example, with the Armenians. Though religions are different. Therefore, it is not a matter of religion. hi
                      6. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 43 New
                        -8
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Iran, the Palestinians - are friends, for example, with the Armenians. Though religions are different. Therefore, it is not a matter of religion.

                        That is precisely the point. The pro-Turkish Azeroths are the work of Turkey, the Syrian militants are the work of Turkey, the mercenaries are the work of Turkey, the Pakistanis are the work of Pakistan. And then all this trash will fall on our Caucasus ... You are just enchanting lol
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 45 New
                        +2
                        Hmm ... in 1982, Asal's Armenian organization fought on the side of the Palestinians against the IDF in Beirut. And what? laughing
                      8. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 46 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        in 1982 year

                        don't compare 82 and 20.
                      9. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 48 New
                        -11
                        In my humble opinion, you cannot find it more stupid for this person ...
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 49 New
                        0
                        It’s naive to find you laughing
                      11. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 52 New
                        -2
                        Stalemate laughing
                      12. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 18 October 2020 01: 26 New
                        -3
                        He is not naive, rather, he suffered the coronavirus, which has left its mark on some organs of the perception of the world. Can't it be seen that he cannot distinguish carrots from beets?
                      13. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 01: 35 New
                        -1
                        Ta ... don't mind
                2. Old Kaa
                  Old Kaa 18 October 2020 22: 53 New
                  +1
                  Probably because the IDF terrorized the local population?
                3. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 18 October 2020 23: 15 New
                  +1
                  Probably because in the Civil War in Lebanon, they sided with the Muslims and Syrians. Israel is on the side of Lebanese Christians (based on their interests, of course). I mean, there is no need to put pressure on the religious factor, in the case of Armenians it is not appropriate.
          2. vadim dok
            vadim dok 18 October 2020 14: 05 New
            +7
            There are about 100 Armenians living in Turkey, no one oppresses them, there is a party in parliament, many Armenian schools, temples, churches! There are more than 000 OPERATING Orthodox churches and churches in Azerbaijan, there is an Orthodox University, in all universities and schools there is a Russian sector. And in Armenia there is nothing of the above, and there are NO Russians (except for soldiers)!
          3. Old tanker
            Old tanker 18 October 2020 14: 33 New
            +3
            You are absolutely right! Both the people of Azerbaijan and the government are much closer to Russia than Armenia and treat the Russians living there well. His relatives (Russians) in Baku and classmates are Azerbaijanis.
          4. Old Kaa
            Old Kaa 18 October 2020 23: 06 New
            +2
            Well, since it is much closer, they will soon open a Russian base, enter the CSTO, expel the troops of the NATO country and the mujahideen from their country, and the soros will do the same in reverse order. So what?
            .
        2. Yuriy6116
          Yuriy6116 18 October 2020 20: 15 New
          0
          What is Armenia? Armenians are all in Moscow, Ukrainians are in Canada, but here, so, in checkers, Chapaev is played.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 19 October 2020 15: 40 New
      0
      and who is cooked in Armenia? It's like they have memorials to the Nazis in the central squares, don't they?
  2. Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 31 New
    -4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Rather, wholesalers for trade with Russia.

    In any case, it's time to end Azeroth before the martyrs creep out.
  3. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 40 New
    +5
    Well, if you want to go to the front line in Ar + Tsakh - go ahead!
  4. Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 45 New
    -9
    And you - just - passionate .. lol With what I congratulate you
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 48 New
    +1
    I think that the Armenians will show their military spirit and torpedo all the pan-Turkist neo-Ottoman inclinations of the criminal clique of novoyanissaries! soldier
  6. Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 18 October 2020 00: 51 New
    -4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    I think that the Armenians will show their military spirit and torpedo all the pan-Turkist neo-Ottoman inclinations of the criminal clique of novoyanissaries!

    It's even undeniable. ) Otherwise, why the hell has all this pro-Turkish baida been stalling for 3 weeks in small Karabakh? laughing
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 October 2020 00: 54 New
    -3
    I agree! All hope is for the defenders of Arts-akh, the spearhead of the Christian world in the matter of protection against the Turkish threat from the Transcaucasus! soldier
  8. vadim dok
    vadim dok 18 October 2020 14: 20 New
    0
    РФ лучше позаботиться о армянском сепаратизме ,очаг зреет в Краснодарском крае,как бы там не было второго "нагорного карабаха"
  9. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 October 2020 14: 26 New
    0
    I advise you to watch a series about the life of one of the greatest theoretical physicists of our time - Sheldon Cooper. You will find at least one thing in common with him. Guselnite "The Big Bang Theory TV Series". ...
  10. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 19 October 2020 15: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    christian spear point

    exactly Christian? not Soros? laughing
  11. vadim dok
    vadim dok 18 October 2020 14: 09 New
    +1
    Turkey and Azerbaijan are secular states, there has never been ANY case of an Azeri or Turk shahid! And the Armenians blew up the metro in Moscow!
  12. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 18 October 2020 14: 29 New
    +1
    Do you know what a shahid is?
  13. Andrey sh
    Andrey sh 18 October 2020 16: 58 New
    0
    Metro in Moscow was blown up by Armenian martyrs? Who, then, was shot for this? And from the same series, it was Azerbaijanis who poisoned several dozen people with hawthorn based on methyl alcohol ...
  • Egor53
    Egor53 17 October 2020 22: 21 New
    14
    Это с какой это стати это "нападение на Армению"? С армянской территории обстрелы территории Азербайджана имеют место. Нечего из Армении невинную овечку делать. Влезли армяне в войну - так пусть сами и отвечают. А про ОДКБ у себя на кухнях трындят.
  • Yuriy6116
    Yuriy6116 18 October 2020 20: 13 New
    -1
    So what? Want a big war?
  • Gelos
    Gelos 18 October 2020 22: 14 New
    0
    И значит... Так где эти ..."члены"- союзнички?
  • Tochilka
    Tochilka 17 October 2020 21: 31 New
    +5
    yes, the shots are creepy. looked and goosebumps. It just happened, BAM! And the pieces are one in all directions.
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 October 2020 05: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: Tochilka
      yes, the shots are creepy. looked and goosebumps. It just happened, BAM! And the pieces are one in all directions.

      And don't the Armenians know that when struck from a drone, debris will fly along with human intestines? I think they imagined how it happens. Didn't the Armenians know that Baku was buying modern reconnaissance means and attack UAVs? They knew it was no secret to anyone. Didn't they know for whom all this was being prepared? not only assumed, but also were sure that all this would eventually fly their heads.
      And now the main question is - if everyone knew perfectly well, then what .... !!! .... the devil, what were they waiting for and scratching their asses, not preparing to repel such a blow?
      1. sektant777
        sektant777 18 October 2020 07: 38 New
        +8
        They were preparing for the Maidans, the Russians interfered with them. Let now sip their own with the Russophobic leadership.
      2. Andylw
        Andylw 18 October 2020 14: 06 New
        -2
        Baku buys modern reconnaissance means and attack UAVs?

        Does Russia buy modern reconnaissance assets and attack UAVs?

        what .... !!! .... damn it, they were waiting for something and scratching their asses, not preparing to repel such a blow?

        Do you want to ask the Russian Defense Ministry this question ???
        1. Grits
          Grits 18 October 2020 14: 12 New
          0
          Quote: AndyLW
          Do you want to ask the Russian Defense Ministry this question ???

          Want. This also applies to us. True, we are still being saved by a less decent air defense system. But, as the experience of using Turkish and Israeli UAVs has shown, air defense is not a panacea at all and does not always save.
      3. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 19 October 2020 15: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        Didn't the Armenians know that Baku was buying modern reconnaissance means and attack UAVs? They knew it was no secret to anyone.

        ну как "не знали", конечно об этом все знали ибо это никто не скрывал, но Пашинян был занят попилом свежедобытого богатства laughing so to speak, there were more important things to do yes
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 October 2020 20: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: venik
    Ну и кроме того могли быть использованы ИК камеры, а там уж одними "кустами" - не замаскируешься - если техника нагрета - все равно "светиться" будет!

    It's not just about IR cameras! There are full-color high-resolution camcorders that distinguish dozens of shades of colors! Such a video camera easily distinguishes a fresh natural bush from cut branches with withered leaves ... armor in green paint among the crowns of green trees ...! And all in shades of green .... gray ..... gray-brown-crimson!
    1. Andrey sh
      Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 00 New
      +4
      Through one place disguised - he will distinguish. And normally - nothing.
      1. sektant777
        sektant777 18 October 2020 07: 46 New
        0
        With the modern level of photo and video electronics, it is useless to mask something in the field with improvised means. You can even distinguish trench underground passages.
        Scientists need to smash their heads over new technologies for sheltering military equipment.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 18 October 2020 08: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: sektant777
          Scientists need to smash their heads over new technologies for sheltering military equipment.

          Such technologies already exist ... but they are characterized by high costs and the need to establish high-tech production!
          1. Gelos
            Gelos 18 October 2020 22: 21 New
            0
            Put jamming stations! Delov ... More screeching.
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        4. Datarem
          Datarem 18 October 2020 10: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: sektant777
          With the modern level of photo and video electronics, it is useless to mask something in the field with improvised means. You can even distinguish trench underground passages.
          Scientists need to smash their heads over new technologies for sheltering military equipment.


          How to hide equipment in the bare steppe ?? By creating a large number of decoys. For example, put a technique under tents, with the creation of 5-10 false ones for each one. For technology:
          from national


          from modern


          for an individual shooter, machine gunner, ATGM operator

          with the creation of 20-30 false.

          All this should be placed in the base of a kilometer by a kilometer or more, plus artillery and missile defense systems in distant base stations. It is better to remove the RZSO from trucks for easier camouflage.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 18 October 2020 14: 42 New
            0
            A platoon stronghold with such a density will be broken through twice. Learn tactics! Perform calculations on the density of fire in the line of fire of such a platoon. And already in fool this will become clear. It is even possible not to touch upon the organization of fire interaction between squads and fire weapons, the overlap of strips and sectors of fire, the organization of fire cover when making a maneuver, etc. etc.
            Although, what am I talking about with you? In words, to remove the RZSO from the trucks says it all laughing
            1. Andrey sh
              Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 04 New
              0
              And where did you get the idea that there will be only one platoon? And what should be the density of fire to suppress everything for a kilometer in DEPTH, and even hidden in trenches?
            2. Datarem
              Datarem 18 October 2020 18: 46 New
              0
              Quote: Old Tankman
              In words, to remove the RZSO from the trucks says it all


              And what are the claims to her, justify ??
            3. Datarem
              Datarem 18 October 2020 18: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Old Tankman
              Perform calculations on the density of fire in the line of fire of such a platoon.


              Apparently the lieutenant is sitting here, and he cannot think more by the yardstick of one platoon laughing

              Habit apparently lol
            4. Datarem
              Datarem 18 October 2020 18: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Old Tankman
              It is even possible not to touch upon the organization of fire interaction between squads and fire weapons, the overlap of strips and sectors of fire, the organization of fire cover when making a maneuver, etc. etc.


              Yes, apparently no one has ever defended more than a platoon good
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 18 October 2020 23: 12 New
            0
            Идея,считаю ,хорошая ! Над ней стоит поработать ...хотя подобное уже применялось и ,пожалуй,применяется ! А чё? Нарыть окопы под технику ...загнать тудыть оную... сверху настилы,тенты ! А рядышком с настоящими окопами...ложные "щели" ,но накрытые такими же настилами,тентами...! Причём, под "настоящие" тенты можно экранирующую алюминиевую фольгу подкладывать ; а под "ложные" тенты - электронагревающую плёнку для "тёплых полов"...!
            1. Datarem
              Datarem 19 October 2020 09: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              а под "ложные" тенты - электронагревающую плёнку для "тёплых полов"...!

              Or a heat gun. And to simulate shots, a pneumatic cannon. Close the trenches from above with boards. And to simulate trenches, you can simply put boards on the ground. Well, and unexpectedly attack the UAV, over there, Armenia's su 30 are idle.
            2. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 19 October 2020 16: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Идея,считаю ,хорошая ! Над ней стоит поработать ...хотя подобное уже применялось и ,пожалуй,применяется ! А чё? Нарыть окопы под технику ...загнать тудыть оную... сверху настилы,тенты ! А рядышком с настоящими окопами...ложные "щели" ,но накрытые такими же настилами,тентами...!

              not an option. how many years will you dig? roughly speaking today we arrived at the position, tomorrow you will be attacked. when will you dig false positions and will you have time to prepare at least the main ones. Well, let's add that all this is not for nothing. can better spend these resources on creating capable air defense and preparing calculations?
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 19 October 2020 17: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: SanichSan
                How many years will you dig?

                Well, why are you so primitive about the proposal? stop По "настоящему" копать надо настоящие окопы, как я уже говорил! Их все равно копают ...и в Карабахе, и на Донбассе, и в Сирии, и на учениях российских ВС ... Ложные "окопы" копать "по-настоящему" не надо !! Достаточно имитации окопов ! Разница в затрате "трудоресурсов"- на порядки ! Чтобы затруднить распознавание настоящих и ложных позиций, они укрываются одинаковыми ,например,тентами ! Могут быть лишь "нюансы"! По большому счёту ,тенты призваны сравнять позиции с ландшафтом ! 1.Можно выкопать окоп в полный профиль для танка ...накрыть его бревенчатым настилом или бетонной плитой и присыпать землёй...2. Выкопать на штык котлованчик по периметру окопа , положить шифер и присыпать землёй... Разница в устройстве окопа и имитации окопа(затраты времени, материалов,людского труда....) -на порядок ! P.S. А про устройство окопов с помощью кумулятивно-фугасного заряда и "пускового" станка вы в "курсях" ?
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 19 October 2020 17: 41 New
                  +1
                  well, all this is relevant if the sky is completely pumped, like the Armenians wink
                  and you need to be able to do all this! we need training and experience, and judging by the photo, this is not about Armenians.
        5. Andrey sh
          Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 00 New
          +1
          And you ask scientists what is possible and what is not. Sensors are tricked in a bunch of ways ...
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 19 October 2020 16: 05 New
            0
            забыли добавить "при определенных условиях с некоторой вероятностью". wink
    2. malyvalv
      malyvalv 18 October 2020 03: 43 New
      0
      This is if you know in advance about where it is. Finding a well-camouflaged object with an area of ​​20 meters on a plot of 10 square meters is still a challenge.
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 19 October 2020 15: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      It's not just about IR cameras! There are full-color high-resolution camcorders that distinguish dozens of shades of colors!

      what for? forgive me, but all that is on the footage is the same reliable camouflage as a forest camouflage in the subway yes all this would have been revealed even by the Germans in 1940 looking at black and white aerial photographs.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 19 October 2020 21: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: SanichSan
        What for?

        Ну,я же не связываю полноцветные видеокамеры с Карабахом ! "Кто-то" упомянул ИК камеры,как "общее явление" ...я упомянул полноцветные видеокамеры,как "общее явление" ! Такие видеокамеры начали разрабатывать американцы в конце своей "вьетнамской" войны! У них даже был проект малокалиберной противотанковой авиабомбы с телевизионной ГСН,которая должна находить зелёные (окрашенные) танки среди зелёной листвы джунглей по различию в цветовом спектре... Кстати,американцам приписывают авторство в использовании ИК аппаратуры для обнаружения замаскированных танковых подразделений в джунглях... они обнаруживали даже тепловые "следы" "вчерашних биваков" танковых подразделений...с чего получали инфу о перемещении танков противника из пункта А в пункт Б...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 19 October 2020 21: 36 New
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          well, yes. can! soldier but in the specific case is clearly redundant yes
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 October 2020 23: 23 New
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    And if the engine did not start for a day? Will it be noticeable? Is it difficult to build a covered caponier, one roll of logs? I drove out, fired a volley - backed up. You can pour water around
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 19 October 2020 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      And if the engine did not start for a day? Will it be noticeable?

      a hefty bush with a track that appeared in the middle of a field or an asphalt industrial area?
      thus intelligence is carried out using a variety of means. to deceive everything is extremely problematic. it is hoped that the enemy does not have some capabilities, but this is not a fact. wink
      Quote: TermNachTER
      I drove out, fired a volley - backed up. You can pour water around

      can. but for this you need to have a lot of combat experience and be able to do it, and all this does not seem to be the strong point of the Armenian reservists request
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 19 October 2020 18: 03 New
        +1
        Я вообще не про куст, а про нормальную маскировку. Бороться с колеей, оставшейся после прохода техники, умели еще во время ВОВ. Скажу честно - очень скептически отношусь ко всем этим видосикам от "Баку беобахтер"))) армяне может не ахти какие вояки, но и не + знание местности.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 19 October 2020 18: 04 New
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          PS editor cleaned up - in general, Armenians are not stupid))))
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 19 October 2020 18: 31 New
          0
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Скажу честно - очень скептически отношусь ко всем этим видосикам от "Баку беобахтер")))

          he is skeptical about both. while it is obvious that the Azerbaijanis are advancing, and the Armenians are retreating request it is also obvious that Azerbaijan's PR department is a cut above the Armenian one.
          it is obvious that Azerbaijan demonstrates modern methods of warfare using precision weapons and drones, while the Armenians operate within the framework of the old doctrine.
          unlike the events in Belarus, I would not argue with the jagermeister who is who bully
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Armenians may not be so hot what warriors, but also not + knowledge of the area.

          probably yes, but I was very surprised by the footage of the first days of the conflict. tanks are blown up by anti-tank mines ... they are on their own territory. what about local knowledge? Don't they know where they put the mines themselves?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 October 2020 17: 16 New
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    This is not a camouflage, because the equipment is not dug in, the traces of the approach to the position are not overwritten, they are simply stupidly overlaid with branches, possibly in the switched on state. By the way, in some videos, a light pulse is visible on the body of the equipment before being hit, which indicates that the missiles are guided at the target by a laser beam. We need systems to suppress not only radio channels, but also scattering laser radiation missile guidance systems of attack drones.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 17: 32 New
      -10
      During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 17 October 2020 17: 44 New
        -8
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.
      2. Kolka Semenov
        Kolka Semenov 17 October 2020 18: 01 New
        +7
        Is there a video confirmation?
        1. MTN
          MTN 17 October 2020 18: 05 New
          -20
          Quote: Kolka Semyonov
          Is there a video confirmation?

          Sorry not in the topic, but there is material about something else. Who do you need to be to use photographs of dead Azerbaijani children, passing them off as Armenian children, allegedly killed by Azerbaijanis.

          The video, prepared for a foreign audience, says in particular that the Armenians are actively using photographs of two-year-old Zakhra Guliyeva, who was killed in 2017 during the Armenian shelling. In addition, for their propaganda, the Armenians use photographs of Azerbaijani children killed and wounded during the rocket attack on Ganja.

          https://haqqin.az/news/191789

          Now I have a question. About prisoners and severed heads, not just another handwriting of Armenians?
          1. ashot1973
            ashot1973 18 October 2020 00: 10 New
            +1
            About prisoners and severed heads, not another handwriting of Armenians?

            I want to refresh your memory.
            19 февраля 2004 года лейтенант Вооруженных сил Армении Гурген Маргарян, командированный в Будапешт на курсы английского языка в рамках программы НАТО "Партнерство во имя мира", был ночью, во время сна, зарублен топором азербайджанским офицером Рамилем Сафаровым. Последнего обвинили по статье 166.2 УК Венгрии (убийство при отягчающих обстоятельствах). 13 апреля 2006 года Сафаров был осужден на пожизненное лишение свободы без права на амнистию в течение 30 лет.
            Well, of course, Azerbaijan has very negatively perceived the verdict of the Hungarian court, which condemned the Azerbaijani officer Ramil Safarov to life imprisonment for the murder of an Armenian officer. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Justice of Azerbaijan raised a petition to the Ministry of Justice of Hungary for the transfer to the Azerbaijani side of the criminal Safarov, who was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Budapest court.
            In February 2006. the killer of the Armenian officer - Azerbaijani Ramil Safarov - has been declared the person of the year in Baku.
            On August 31, 2012, he was transferred to Azerbaijan for further serving his sentence, but on the same day he was pardoned by the decree of the President of Azerbaijan. In Azerbaijan, Safarov was greeted as a hero, he received an apartment as a gift and was promoted to major, with a salary for the eight years he spent in prison.
            Here is the handwriting of an Azerbaijani ... or rather a Turk or a Turk ...
            You only know how to bomb and hack to death and be proud of this, and for this, without shame, appropriate heroes of the Turkic nation like Ramil ...
            1. MTN
              MTN 18 October 2020 01: 37 New
              -3
              Quote: ashot1973
              was hacked to death with an ax at night

              Again 25) did he sleep in a cave? There were no doors? Did you sleep in the front yard during NATO training? Why is the valiant Armenian terminator. the second who was with Gurgen ended up in the Estonians' room? Why didn't you help a friend or fellow countryman? And he was punished for the fact that he insulted and spat on our flag. One thing pleases, next time you will behave well.

              Quote: ashot1973
              Here is the handwriting of an Azerbaijani ... or rather a Turk or a Turk ...

              Gurgen Yanikyan, who killed in 1973 in Santa Barbara two of his guests, Turkish diplomats, whom he invited to dinner at a hotel to present a picture and behind whom he went to fire shots from there in a truly Armenian style at the moment when they ate food!

              Isn't that a national feature of Armenians - to shoot their guests in the back when they eat? The cowardly Armenian murderer was given life imprisonment, but in Armenia he was elevated to the rank of a hero and even a play was dedicated to him, the premiere of which was not attended by anyone, but by the head of state. Isn't it time for the Armenian propagandists, after all these shameful facts, to fill their mouths with shame (if any) and shut up?

              Таких "героев " у вас не мало.
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 18 October 2020 06: 29 New
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                Isn't this a national feature of Armenians?
                Do you know what is the similarity between Armenians and Azerbaijanis? When you are few in any Russian-speaking team (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc., it doesn't matter) you are polite, it is pleasant to talk to you, you smile and laugh with everyone at the jokes. But. But it is worth getting into a situation where you are a crowd, and there are only a few people of another nationality (faith, etc.), everything changes, you immediately take off your masks.
      3. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 17 October 2020 18: 17 New
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        over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems have been destroyed by an accurate strike


        Why only three? Write six or nine, let the giaurs suffer ... wassat
      4. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 00: 52 New
        -5
        Well done video.

        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 18 October 2020 01: 08 New
          -3
          Да,качественно и наглядно.Согласитесь,далеко не буду ходит,даже 6-7 лет назад никто от страны "помидоров и туризма"не ожидал такого прорыва.Не только в беспилотниках,а в целом ВПК.
      5. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 19 October 2020 18: 34 New
        0
        The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, now needs to think about how to save the southern grouping before it is drowned out. And not to tell fairy tales)))) and to transfer troops to the Iranian border, because the Persians will remember you and Turkish jokes about Western Azerbaijan)))
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 17: 07 New
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    Is this a disguise? Have they had their brains amputated? Inability to fight will turn out to be a lot of blood for Armenians. In modern realities. Alas, the Armenians are hopelessly losing this war ... Just some kind of extermination.
    1. sedoj
      sedoj 17 October 2020 17: 16 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Is this a disguise? Have they had their brains amputated?

      A good disguise: there is a bush in the middle of the track.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 17: 25 New
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        Quote: sedoj
        A good disguise: there is a bush in the middle of the track.

        Here, and I'm about the same. Another would be to draw a cross, with an arrow ... White paint!
    2. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 17 October 2020 17: 24 New
      -21
      I'll tell you this, Russia is at war with Turkey, we saw the same picture, our equipment destroyed with impunity, For they have technological superiority on their side.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 17: 34 New
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        Quote: Alexey from Perm
        For they have technological superiority on their side

        Ну видел же, что происходило в Идлибе? Сирийцев "Байрактары" начали крушить, как прям сейчас . И их было не меньше, чем сейчас в Азербайджане. Но подтянули силы РЭБ и ПВО, и через неделю все эти "ударники" с неба исчезли. Часть попадала, остатки перестали летать, в силу полной бесперспективности попыток. Это было? Факт. А ведь это далеко не армейская ПВО российской армии. Посему, не надо подобных фантазий. Байрактар реально опасен против формирований, не имеющих реальной системы ПВО, ещё и не умеющих использовать то, что есть.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 18: 27 New
          -7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Ну видел же, что происходило в Идлибе? Сирийцев "Байрактары" начали крушить, как прям сейчас

          News from a parallel universe. As the Bayraktars flew during the operation in Idlib, they still fly. They destroyed a lot of ground equipment, including Armor. Yes, Bayraktars were also shot down, let's put + for this great achievement like the "SAR army"
          By the way, all this happened near the Khmeimim base and our radar stations with electronic warfare definitely took part in the work against the Turkish UAVs.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 18: 50 New
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            Quote: OgnennyiKotik

            News from a parallel universe. As the Bayraktars flew during the operation in Idlib, they still fly. They destroyed a lot of ground equipment, including Armor. Yes

            Да, были. Но их подбивали, и больше они не летают. Там были и более мощные и дорогие "Анки" их тоже посбивали. А мне пожалуйста ссылку, на применение турецких "ударников" в Идлибе, в последнее время.
            And then we really have different universes. Non-overlapping ...
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 19: 04 New
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              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              А мне пожалуйста ссылку, на применение турецких "ударников" в Идлибе, в последнее время.

              Easy. The end of the fighting is the beginning of March.
              At the talks on March 5 in Moscow, the presidents of Russia and Turkey reached an agreement on the establishment of a truce in the conflict zone, from 0:00 the same day; in addition, a security corridor is being created around the M4 Latakia-Aleppo highway, 6 km deep on both sides

              1.https: //topwar.ru/170685-sirija-28-aprelja-v-idlibe-konflikt-mezhdu-turciej-i-dzhihadistami.html
              Syria, April 28: Turkish UAVs hit militants previously supported

              2.https://topwar.ru/172417-tureckie-bespilotniki-nanesli-udar-po-pozicijam-armii-sirii-v-rajone-serakiba.html
              Turkish drones attacked Syrian army positions in Serakib
              23 2020 June
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 19: 15 New
                +6
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Syria, April 28: Turkish UAVs hit militants previously supported

                Well, these kind of did everything right, why shoot them down? wassat
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Turkish drones attacked Syrian army positions in Serakib
                23 2020 June

                I'll check it now ...
                Cross references give nothing. No details. It looks like sarin in Guta.
                Of course there is, even a hundred tomahawks have been exhausted ... What a vulgar stuffing ...
            2. Alexey from Perm
              Alexey from Perm 17 October 2020 20: 16 New
              -3
              You do not read the news there at all, how the truce was concluded after that and do not fly)))
        2. FerrariStradale
          FerrariStradale 17 October 2020 18: 44 New
          -4
          There is no data on the successful use of electronic warfare against Turkish UAVs from Syria.
          On the Internet, I found only two photos of the fallen Bikers in Idlib
          It is not clear from your beautiful story who pulled up the air defense after which the Turkish UAVs fled losing their slippers? Russia or Assad.
          As in a joke, Stirlitz crossed the border imperceptibly, he learned about this from the morning newspapers.
          1. Alexey from Perm
            Alexey from Perm 17 October 2020 20: 17 New
            +1
            do not pay attention, hurray patriots for that and hurray, to win on the Internet
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 18 October 2020 01: 15 New
            +4
            exactly. probably due to their advantage, the Turks refused all their demands, such as retreating to their old positions))) the successful or not use of electronic warfare means can only be discussed in the aggregate of all means of protection. and the fact that the Syrian army took all the positions and did not give them up suggests that the very factor of using drones did not affect anything at all. and after the destruction of the vanguard of Turkish specialists who in some strange way found themselves in the positions of militants, the Turks enlightened. a pair of su 34 can do much more damage than a UAV.
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 18 October 2020 20: 42 New
              0
              The Syrian army lost a bunch of armored vehicles and artillery in 3 days and it was no longer a question of continuing the offensive on Idlib, the question was to stay in position under continuous drone strikes. In the end, the threat was stopped, but to say that it had nothing to do with it is to put it mildly very disingenuous.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 19 October 2020 01: 24 New
                +1
                you better study what tactical tasks were being solved. at the same time, look at the maps and you will understand that this is not the way to step on a large settlement. at the same time))) there only the child does not understand that the main task was to go to the tracks and control them. which was done. losses? do you own the entire tactical situation at that moment? worst of all in this life is that people who do not understand the topic make conclusions and analysis. all these days, including yesterday's videoconferencing, they destroyed everything that moves. In less than a month, the SAA managed to defeat a serious enemy grouping, recapture the most important strategic settlements and free the M-5 highway. the strategic section was taken under control and the road m 4. losses were and will always be. what did the use of drones in Turkey give? strategically NOTHING. or remind you how the Syrian army rushed so that the Turkish checkpoints simply remained in their rear,))))
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 19 October 2020 16: 38 New
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                Quote: uhu189
                The Syrian army lost a bunch of armored vehicles and artillery in 3 days

                a bunch is how much? 2, 3, 10? and this despite the fact that the Syrians were forbidden to attack the Turkish positions from where the Torquay attacked with impunity. but this did not apply to the Turkish barmaley, and when they tried a joint attack with the Turks, it is known what happened. wink
                1. uhu189
                  uhu189 19 October 2020 22: 04 New
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                  See for yourself how much https://lostarmour.info/syria/
                  Artillery turned out - 9 Carnations, 5 Acacias and 7 hail. This is only for videos that were on the internet. How much in fact - I don't know ... Tell me a little? Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles yourself can count
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 19 October 2020 22: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: uhu189
                    Tell me a little? Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles yourself can count

                    looked. 36 units from drones. a normal result for a situation where the Syrians did not have air defense. apparently did not expect the Turks to become so insolent. It is also known that with the arrival of the Pntsir, the successes of the Turkish UAVs ended. request
                    if you want to say something here about incredible efficiency and irreparable losses, then the same resource contains data for several years. in 2017, in battles with the barmaley, we lost more than 300 units of equipment, in 2020 118 and 36 of them from drones request not bad but not phenomenal.
                    what did you want to say? what if the air is not controlled then there will be losses? so it's understandable. that the attack drone is the ultimate weapon? so this is nonsense yes
                    by the way, the Turkish aviation never dared to poke into the region ...
                    1. uhu189
                      uhu189 19 October 2020 23: 16 New
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                      What did you want to say? That there will not be enough BUKs and TORs for all drones with their massive use. Even if they are exchanged at 4-5 per installation, air defense systems will end much earlier than UAVs. And the production of UAVs is much cheaper and faster, and so is the training of operators. Yes, air defense can significantly reduce the threat, but the creation of air defense cannot be compared in terms of costs with the creation of a UAV. And now I do not see effective methods of counteracting them. Maybe I'm wrong, and God forbid, if I'm wrong. And in my understanding, Karabakh is not just a bell - it is an alarm.
                      And about the Turks and their aviation - there was an agreement, they did not meddle. After our headquarters bombed Erdogan freaked out and gave the order to use drones. Yes, the F-16 did not risk it, but it was not necessary
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 20 October 2020 00: 53 New
                        +1
                        basically agree with you. in the event of this conflict, yes.
                        Quote: uhu189
                        That there will not be enough BUKs and TORs for all drones with their massive use.

                        judging by what is happening with the Armenian crews, yes.
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Even if they are exchanged at 4-5 per installation, air defense systems will end much earlier than UAVs. And the production of UAVs is much cheaper and faster, and so does the training of operators. Yes, air defense can significantly reduce the threat, but the creation of air defense cannot be compared in terms of costs with the creation of a UAV.

                        but this is already a caption in its purest form. a cheap drone has a small radius, low speed, low ceiling and an easy target even for cannon air defense. expensive, shock or reconnaissance, not a very cheap pleasure.
                        Quote: uhu189
                        And now I do not see effective methods of counteracting them.

                        look at Khmeimin, you can see how, and in Idlib, the Sultan's shells landed request if you forgot the score in Idlib 14-0 in favor of the shells.
                        you decide whether you do not see or really do not want to see?
                        Quote: uhu189
                        And about the Turks and their aviation - there was an agreement, they did not meddle.

                        there seemed to be a lot of agreements. for example, the Syrians, Turkish checkpoints, did not extinguish the Turks directly, unlike the Syrians, the Turks there violated everything they could and because of direct assistance to the terrorists suffered losses.

                        PS
                        drones are undoubtedly the new face of modern warfare, but they do not at all replace the rest of the military.
                        shock drones are a very controversial direction. effective against low tech forces.
                        kamikaze drones are very good help for the infantry.
                        Reconnaissance drones are what allows the rest of the military to realize their striking potential. in my opinion, the most promising direction for the RF Armed Forces. soldier
                      2. uhu189
                        uhu189 20 October 2020 09: 44 New
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        look at Khmeimin, you can see how, and in Idlib, the Sultan's shells landed if they forgot the score in Idlib 14-0 in favor of the shells.
                        you decide whether you do not see or really do not want to see?
                        Khmeimim was not attacked by combat drones, only homemade ones. And about Idlib - even at a briefing, the Ministry of Defense admitted that 2 shells were lost. And how much in fact - one can only guess.
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 22 October 2020 15: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Хмеймим не атаковали боевые беспилотники, только самоделки.

                        угу. самоделки которые наводили с Посейдона амеровского.. ничего такие самоделки.
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Идлиба - даже на брифинге МО признало, что было потеряно 2 панциря. А сколько по факту - можно только догадываться.

                        ой брехня wink во первых не потеряны, а повреждены, и уже восстановлены. их восстановление заканчивалось на момент брифинга. во вторых там было 4 Сирийских панциря, но судя по вашим представлениям вы веруете в 8 уничтоженных турками.
                        вот только фото уничтоженных или даже поврежденных нету request ни один из беспилотников не долетел чтоб снять bully
                      4. uhu189
                        uhu189 22 October 2020 23: 15 New
                        0
                        А вы уверены, что с Посейдона именно их наводили? Я вот не знаю так ли это или нет... И даже если и так, даже если аппаратура управления была продвинутой - сами они по конструкции самоделки.

                        Ну как повреждены - да, там может шасси осталось, но не оборудование. И да, наверное если не сгорели - значит повреждены, можно и так сказать. Видео-то было с поражением, и там не только ливийские панцири были. А по поводу 8 - нет, не верую, турки врут почище наших, тем более они рекламу своим дронам делали. Я не пытаюсь панцири принизить, не в коем разе, просто они сами по себе не панацея и в единичных количествах тем более...
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 23 October 2020 00: 49 New
                        +2
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Ну как повреждены - да, там может шасси осталось, но не оборудование.

                        да? и к брифингу уже вернули в строй? воистину наши ремонтники творят чудеса! belay
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Видео-то было с поражением, и там не только ливийские панцири были.

                        где ж было? ни видео, ни фото не было. скажите, зачем вам такие грубые подтасовки? фактически подтверждено уничтожение в Сирии панциря израильским спайком. все. зачем выдумывать то? вы турок?
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Я не пытаюсь панцири принизить, не в коем разе, просто они сами по себе не панацея и в единичных количествах тем более...
                        конечно не панацея, но весьма эффективное средство против БПЛА. и это они доказали. не самое рациональное но вполне эффективное.
                        если вы вдруг забыли то ударный БПЛА это идеальная низкоскоростная цель. квалифицированные расчеты с современными средствами поражения и обнаружения должны щелкать их как орешки ибо и эти расчеты и это оборудование создано для уничтожения значительно более сложных целей как баллистические ракеты, крылатые ракеты и сверхзвуковые маневрирующие цели, а тут БПЛА - мишень для инвалидов.
                        почему у армян проблемы? возможно низкая квалификация расчетов, возможно устаревшее оборудование прошлого века... request
  • KARAKURT777
    KARAKURT777 17 October 2020 19: 11 New
    +2
    Does Assad have a real air defense system?))
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 17 October 2020 20: 45 New
      +1
      ... Does Assad have a real air defense system?))

      What is there? It would be, the Israelites would not be so successful in solving their problems in Syria
  • pytar
    pytar 17 October 2020 19: 37 New
    +3
    Сирийцев "Байрактары" начали крушить, как прям сейчас .

    Dear, Eugene hi , unfortunately there is nothing like that in reality. Despite opposition from the Russian side. Electronic warfare and air defense, the air supremacy of Turkish UAVs was never overcome. Its efficiency was somewhat reduced and the losses of these devices increased, but nothing dramatic. The UAVs inflicted tangible damage on all ground equipment and personnel, while the operators calmly work from a distance in safety.
    Думаю, мы все должные наконец признать факта отставания России в области БПЛА и не эфективности нынешних росс. систем РЭБ и ПВО. По мне, это очевидные факты! И пора уже, не завтра, а "вчера" предпринимать срочные мэры! БПЛА оказались настолько опасные, что при отсуствием эфективного противодействия, переломляют ход сражениях! 21st century, robotization, already here !!!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 20: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: pytar

      Dear, Eugene, unfortunately there is nothing like that in reality. Despite opposition from the Russian side. Electronic warfare and air defense, the air supremacy of Turkish UAVs was never overcome. Its efficiency was somewhat reduced and the losses of these devices increased, but nothing dramatic. The UAVs inflicted tangible damage on all ground equipment and personnel, while the operators calmly work from a distance in safety.

      Я смотрю на факты. Сирийское наступление продолжилось, турок выдавили за трассу М5 ( или М4 лень карту смотреть) показали 5 сбитых "Анок" и 7 "Байрактаров", и упоминания о смертоносных турецких БПЛА в сирийском небе исчезли из новостей. Этого не было? Было. Значит, не так уж страшен черт... ПВО было Сирийское, с Хмеймима локаторы туда не достанут, да и ПВО базы не занимается этим. Похоже, наши советники объяснили сирийцам, что надо делать и как. Сирийцы подтянули Буки, и закрыли небо.
      Have a conscience. A reinforced air regiment from one airbase turned the tide of the war in Syria. This indicates the backwardness of technology. Our drone was hanging in the air day and night. And the drums will catch up. Perhaps already there. And then some strange disruption of preparation for the chemical attack in Idlib happened. With victims among the organizers ... And silence. I’m thinking - but have we classified this development?
      1. Yaik Cossack
        Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 20: 28 New
        +1
        The offensive of the Syrian army and ichtamnets on Idlib, covered by Russian air defense systems, had to be stopped in order to destroy the enclave due to extremely heavy losses. The Turks have achieved their goal.
        When the hooray patriots run out of winning chants, they begin to invent top secret victories.
        The Russian Federation has reconnaissance drones in service - the best - according to Israeli technology. There are no drums and it is not known when they will be.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 01: 02 New
        -6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        показали 5 сбитых "Анок" и 7 "Байрактаров", и упоминания о смертоносных турецких БПЛА в сирийском небе исчезли из новостей.

        The fact that the news about how drones work has not been read or forgotten does not mean that they were not there. And the news about there that the UAV is being shot down has disappeared, I agree with that. Here is a video of those days.
        February 29

        March 1

        3 March.

        An armistice was announced on March 5.
      3. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 18 October 2020 01: 19 New
        -6
        Well, the news IN those days. As you can see, UAVs flew and bombed until the last days of the conflict and later.
        https://topwar.ru/168446-turcija-pokazala-kadry-nanesenija-massirovannogo-udar-po-saa-v-idlibe.html
        https://topwar.ru/168467-tureckaja-armija-udarila-po-ajerodromu-k-vostoku-ot-aleppo-i-obstreljali-kurdskie-goroda.html
        https://topwar.ru/168518-tureckie-bpla-nanesli-udar-po-ajerodromu-v-hame-rf-ne-garantiruet-bezopasnost-dlja-vvs-turcii-nad-siriej.html
    2. Andrey sh
      Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 08 New
      0
      Какие меры и зачем? Подцепить "на хвост" БПЛА несколько планирующих или барражирующих бомб и разнести место базирования вместе с операторами. Если это будет в АВТОМАТИЧЕСКОМ режиме то пуст докажут что было нарушение каких то границ - дрон САМ притащил ответное оружие на базу.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 October 2020 01: 20 New
      +4
      I am begging you. of course there is a lag and this is a fact. and the damage was done. having 10 ANOK units, half was lost. wherever the operators sit, this is a loss of 50 percent of the entire fleet. plus you forget a more important fact. while the Turks struck UAVs from the other side, the strikes were delivered by front-line bombers. which is incommensurable in strength. Well, they have already explained to you that Turkey did not gain anything from their use, since the Syrian army took up positions it planned to push the beards out of the way.
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 18 October 2020 22: 36 New
    0
    I think the truce arrived in time.
  • kventinasd
    kventinasd 17 October 2020 17: 38 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexey from Perm
    I'll tell you this, Russia is at war with Turkey, we saw the same picture, our equipment destroyed with impunity, For they have technological superiority on their side

    If Turkey was at war with Russia, the Ottomans would not even have a chance to do something like that, since absolutely all of their military infrastructure would be destroyed on their own territory in the first hours of the war. Even the planes would not have time to lift, let alone drones. And all this without the use of special ammunition, of which Russia has a great many. I will modestly keep silent about the nuclear response, because Turkey will remain only in history books.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 20: 31 New
      -2
      Nuclear weapons against NATO countries. They drifted to attack Ukraine, and here ... aniki-warriors
      Some kind of fireworks of fantasies ... Vilimo was burnt by the fighters from agitprop)))
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 17 October 2020 22: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
        Nuclear weapons yes against a NATO country.

        Even if nuclear, which is unlikely. For the Turks, if they play against Russia, none of NATO will fit in. These will silently watch as they eliminate Erdogashka, who they do not like.
      2. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 17 October 2020 22: 21 New
        10
        First, officially declare war on Russia - then we will attack. In the meantime, fight the Donbass militia and vacationers. Paremozhniki ...
    2. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 17 October 2020 21: 11 New
      -5
      absolutely all of their military infrastructure will be destroyed on their own territory in the first hours of the war. Even planes will not have time to lift, let alone drones. And all this without the use of special ammunition
      Прямо-таки любопытно, каким образом? Чем уничтожать планируете, да еще так, что "самолеты поднять не успеют"?
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 17 October 2020 21: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        Прямо-таки любопытно, каким образом? Чем уничтожать планируете, да еще так, что "самолеты поднять не успеют"?

        On the southern borders of Russia there is a squadron of MiG 31 with daggers, and calibers with Iskanders will fly from the Caspian and the Black Sea coast, so the Turks will not even have time to wake up and the S400 will not help. But I hope it won't come to that, because Edik is a coward.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 17 October 2020 22: 49 New
          0
          Короче говоря, внезапный удар эскадрильи МиГов с Кинжалами и полсотни крылатых ракет "Калибр" рушат все турецкую армию и военную промышленность. И Искандеры с официальным радиусом в 500 км "с Каспия прилетят". Стесняюсь спросить, куда именно.
          1. kventinasd
            kventinasd 18 October 2020 13: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            И Искандеры с официальным радиусом в 500 км "с Каспия прилетят". Стесняюсь спросить, куда именно.

            If you don't know, the Iskanders are in service with Armenia, and if necessary, they will quickly appear at the Russian base in Gyumri, and even with nuclear warheads. They exactly cover half of the Turkish infrastructure.
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 18 October 2020 17: 42 New
              -2
              1. If you are not in the know, read clause 19 of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 “On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence”:
              "...19. Условиями, определяющими возможность применения Российской Федерацией ядерного оружия, являются:
              a) the receipt of reliable information about the launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;
              b) the use by the enemy of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction in the territories of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;
              c) the enemy's influence on critical state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the disabling of which will lead to the disruption of the response actions of the nuclear forces;
              г) агрессия против Российской Федерации с применением обычного оружия, когда под угрозу поставлено само существование государства."
              Then start a message about nuclear warheads and the consequences of its use against a NATO country.
              2. If you are not aware, in Armenia there are a maximum of 8 Iskander complexes in export performance (radius - 280 km). And one has already been destroyed by the Azerbaijanis.
              3. Think at your leisure to be with this base in Gyumri, and at the same time with Khmeimim after such brave launches. There, the Turkish artillery gets out from their own territory without any problems.
              4. This is for geography education:
              1. kventinasd
                kventinasd 18 October 2020 17: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                This is for geographic education

                For those in the tank: The Iskander complexes have cruise missiles with a range of 2500 km, and given the fact that the INF Treaty is practically over, it is possible that there are already ballistic missiles of the same range for this complex. So from the territory of Russia they will reach any point in Turkey.
    3. Vlad_S
      Vlad_S 18 October 2020 00: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: kventinasd
      If Turkey was at war with Russia, the Ottomans would not even have a chance to do something like that, since absolutely all of their military infrastructure would be destroyed on their own territory in the first hours of the war. Even the planes would not have time to lift, let alone drones. And all this without the use of special ammunition, of which Russia has a great many. I will modestly keep silent about the nuclear response, because Turkey will remain only in history books.


      Comrade commander-in-chief, tell us how you will destroy.
    4. nekromonger
      nekromonger 18 October 2020 01: 16 New
      0
      we already heard this in 41, nothing has changed.
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  • the finish
    the finish 17 October 2020 18: 19 New
    +1
    По информации издания "Коммерсантъ" (https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/44722) в Азербайджане размещены около 600 турецких военнослужащих, включая:
    - battalion tactical group of 200 people,
    - 50 instructors in Nakhichevan,
    - 90 military advisers in Baku (they provided a liaison in the conduct of hostilities in the brigade-corps-general staff chain);
    - 120 flight personnel at the Gabala airbase;
    - 20 drone operators at Dallar airfield,
    - 50 instructors at the Yevlakh airfield,
    - 50 instructors in the 4th Army Corps (Pirekeshkul);
    - 20 people at the naval base and at the Heydar Aliyev military school in Baku.
    1. Egor53
      Egor53 17 October 2020 22: 33 New
      +4
      Finish - and after all, in the link you proposed https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/44722 there are NO numbers that you give.
      1. the finish
        the finish 18 October 2020 12: 43 New
        0
        оригинал с самого Коммерсанта, статья "Принуждение к конфликту"
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4537733#id1962785
        In the military observer there is a news time at 16.45. the link may not open correctly.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 17 October 2020 19: 50 New
    -3
    If God forbid we have to see this, then Turkish airfields, as well as factories for the production of drones, tanks, ammunition scatter in the first hours after the start of hostilities, the rest is cleaned by MLRS and TOS
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 17 October 2020 21: 12 New
      +3
      also factories for the production of drones, tanks, ammunition scatter in the first hours

      We'll cover with tactical sofas, yeah.
      1. the Saint
        the Saint 17 October 2020 22: 15 New
        -4
        Throw into Turkey through Georgia and the Black Sea, where the Turkish fleet will not leave chips from the Russian. This strategist is vaguely familiar with geography. Here is the USSR, that yes, it bordered on Turkey, thanks to which Air Force captain Alexander Zuev was able to hijack his MiG-1989 there in 29.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 October 2020 00: 45 New
          +3
          In which case, in the first raid on Turkey, our strategic aviation will launch more than 800 cruise missiles at it.
      2. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 17 October 2020 22: 26 New
        +2
        We'll cover with tactical sofas, yeah.

        Iskander + calibers, strike from a height by strategists under the cover of fighters, then unfortunately there will be a ground operation
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 17 October 2020 22: 44 New
          -2
          Вы всерьез собрались разрушить основную военную инфраструктуру Турции "Искандерами"? Вы хотя бы понимаете на какую дальность они работать могут? Комплекс "предназначен для поражения боевыми частями в обычном снаряжении малоразмерных и площадных целей в the depth of the operational formation of enemy troops."
          И сколько "Калибров" в совместном залпе Черноморского флота и Каспийской флотилии? Поинтересуйтесь.
          strike from a height by strategists under the cover of fighters
          - Turkish air force and air defense at this time smoke hookah. In the meantime, learn something about the Turkish Navy.
          land operation unfortunately
          - here I agree. The ground part of the operation against the Turks, due to the current state of the continent of Eurasia and the outline of political borders, is possible only in Syria. For the Khmeimim base, this will indeed be a complete regret.
          R.S. this is not to mention the fact that Turkey is a NATO member for a second.
          1. Boomandroid
            Boomandroid 17 October 2020 23: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            Вы всерьез собрались разрушить основную военную инфраструктуру Турции "Искандерами"? Вы хотя бы понимаете на какую дальность они работать могут? Комплекс "предназначен для поражения боевыми частями в обычном снаряжении малоразмерных и площадных целей в the depth of the operational formation of enemy troops."
            И сколько "Калибров" в совместном залпе Черноморского флота и Каспийской флотилии? Поинтересуйтесь.
            strike from a height by strategists under the cover of fighters
            - Turkish air force and air defense at this time smoke hookah. In the meantime, learn something about the Turkish Navy.
            land operation unfortunately
            - here I agree. The ground part of the operation against the Turks, due to the current state of the continent of Eurasia and the outline of political borders, is possible only in Syria. For the Khmeimim base, this will indeed be a complete regret.
            R.S. this is not to mention the fact that Turkey is a NATO member for a second.

            Yes, we'll throw you there in a wig ... Pretend to be Natasha, you have all the attention of the Turks ... And we will throw snot and tape (as you say) into the great and very technologically advanced Turks
          2. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 15 New
            0
            I absolutely agree - this is overkill and a declaration of war. But the launched rocket, aiming at this very drone - no. And the fact that the Turks, after the strike, dragged both the drone and its escort to their base are their problems. And the devices that automatically captured aircraft as a beacon for guidance and followed them until they landed in the USSR began to be developed back in the 70s - why look for an aircraft carrier if the aircraft from it CAM returns to it?
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 October 2020 23: 28 New
    +1
    What exactly is superiority? In commercials?)))) Yes, the Israelis are also great specialists to shoot entertaining vidos - because the product sells better.
  • Gelos
    Gelos 18 October 2020 22: 34 New
    -1
    Зато у расиян - авангарды, кинжалы и другие из мультяшек "гаранта".
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 18: 59 New
    +6
    Допустим маскировали так,что их не видно.Дальше то что? Над их головами 24 часа в сутки летают куча дронов на разных высотах.При первом же оживлении этого "куста",сразу заметят.Если до конца войны будет стоять как куст,то не вопрос,пусть стоит)
    1. pytar
      pytar 17 October 2020 19: 50 New
      +3
      Над их головами 24 часа в сутки летают куча дронов на разных высотах.При первом же оживлении этого "куста",сразу заметят.

      Absolutely right! Monitoring on the battlefield is constant, and there is a victory! The UAV is practically to block the entire teren! Ground troops are paralyzed, as their every movement is visible and immediately blows are delivered to them, from which there is nowhere to hide!
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 17 October 2020 23: 31 New
        +2
        24 hours a day over an area of ​​several thousand km. sq.?))) How much UAV, operators, fuel, etc. do you need? Citizens return to earth)))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 October 2020 00: 47 New
          +2
          Several hundred is not a problem even for Azerbaijan now.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 October 2020 10: 16 New
            0
            Вы работаете в министерстве финансов Азербайджана или в МО? Насколько я знаю, из открытых источников, финансовая ситуация в Азербайджане (Турции) сейчас далеко не блестящая, так что, "танцевать до упаду" они вряд ли смогут.
        2. pytar
          pytar 18 October 2020 11: 11 New
          +3
          24 hours a day over an area of ​​several thousand km. sq.?))

          Bearing in mind at what height these devices usually fly and the approximate angle of view, you yourself can calculate the area of ​​the strip that one UAV can monitor. I was too lazy, even though in the past I was professionally engaged in photogrammetry / section in geodesy /.

          There is no need to constantly hang over one point, since the video recording allows frame-by-frame analysis and every change is immediately noticed, even without human participation. The corresponding computer programs in automatic mode do the analysis and, when a suspicious element appears, they signal the operator, and he himself makes decisions.
          It is very difficult for ground forces to camouflage themselves, since the camouflage measures themselves are also easily identifiable.
          How much UAV, operators, fuel, etc. do you need?

          As for the UAV maintenance personnel, they sit at a distance in safety. Among them, the losses, if any, are 1000 times less than among the objects of UAV impact.
          Citizens return to earth)))

          It is necessary to move to another level of technology and rise into the sky, otherwise they will easily be killed on the ground. hi
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 October 2020 11: 27 New
            0
            I would like to point out that the fortification works have been carried out for 30 years. Above the structures that were built in the early 90s, a forest has already grown, and not some kind of disguise
            1. pytar
              pytar 18 October 2020 12: 30 New
              0
              I would like to point out that the fortification works have been carried out for 30 years. Above the structures that were built in the early 90s, a forest has already grown, and not some kind of disguise

              If it is so, then their location has probably been studied in detail by the Azarbaydzhan intelligence service for a long time, using classical methods. hi And I also want to remind you that Turkey has intelligence satellites that fly over this region!
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 18 October 2020 15: 16 New
                +1
                An Azerbaijani walking around the NKAO? Quite an exotic way to make yourself into trouble, even lethal))) Satellite reconnaissance - here, on the next branch, Captain Tsur zee Timokhin proved that this is not a panacea. I doubt that the Turks have already hung a satellite over Karabakh. Until recently, they had completely different courses of action.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 19 October 2020 16: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  Satellite reconnaissance - here, on the next branch, Captain Tsur zee Timokhin proved that this is not a panacea.

                  I beg of you! laughing Well, you are not Timokhin! in addition to satellites, there is field reconnaissance, undercover intelligence (which, by the way, can hand over the entire fortification plan, so to speak, first-hand, how the South Koreans surrendered all of Saddam's fortification that was being built wink ) aerial reconnaissance. when they build chtol are strongly masked? Well, maybe someone does, but certainly not Armenians.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 19 October 2020 17: 59 New
                    0
                    For Armenians it is a matter of survival, a spy is hardly possible. They built the fortification themselves, not Korea or someone else. Built a long time ago - no need to mask, there is already a forest.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 19 October 2020 18: 39 New
                      0
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      Built a long time ago - no need to mask, there is already a forest.

                      ну дык а когда строили что? они азербайджанцам, как в мультфильме капитан Флинт собравшийся закопать сокровища, сказали "отвернитесь негодяи!" и те смущенно отвернулись?
                      while it is obvious that all these fortifications could not stop Azerbaijan.
                    2. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 19 October 2020 23: 10 New
                      0
                      Когда они строили, ни одного живого азербайджанца не было в радиусе 30 км. Строительство началось, когда азербайджанцы от туда дружно "слиняли")))) и те кто там раньше жил, даже как проводников не используешь, потому что за 30 лет многое изменилось.
                    3. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 20 October 2020 00: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      Строительство началось, когда азербайджанцы от туда дружно "слиняли"))))

                      Well, so they kicked out and did not fade. by the way from their native land. yes what now? Azerbaijanis also want to fled the Armenians from there. Why are they worse than Armenians? lived there together, and the Armenians started kipish.
                      as for leadership, one friend of the Sultan, the other friend of Soros request Azerbaijanis with pan-Turkism, Armenians with home-grown fascism. horseradish radish is not sweeter.
                      официально руководство РФ как бы за армян но очень так... как бы выражая озабоченность. я бы так сказал что за прекращение конфликта. в новостях не выпячиваю каких-то "страшных преступлений кровавого рыжыма". обычно если говорят о обстреле одной стороны то тут же сообщают и об обстреле другой стороны.
                      Well, if you suddenly thought that the Russian Federation is for the Armenians. wink
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      and those who used to live there, don't even use them as guides, because a lot has changed over the past 30 years.

                      judging by the footage of the explosions of Armenian tanks on mines, all this applies to the Armenians ...
                    4. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 20 October 2020 09: 14 New
                      +1
                      Do you know how many explosions have ukroSS in Donbass, almost every day. If they mine haphazardly and do not map the fields, it is a common occurrence.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 19 October 2020 16: 52 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Absolutely right! Monitoring on the battlefield is constant, and there is a victory!

    To do this, you need to completely control the situation in the sky and so that the enemy completely gives you this sky, like the Armenians.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 17 October 2020 19: 52 New
    +3
    Допустим маскировали так,что их не видно.Дальше то что? Над их головами 24 часа в сутки летают куча дронов на разных высотах.При первом же оживлении этого "куста",сразу заметят.Если до конца войны будет стоять как куст,то не вопрос,пусть стоит

    Conclusion - Armenians need to transplant bushes to other places using the track laughing
  • Andrey sh
    Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 17 New
    -1
    MANPADS, these drones will remove almost everything. The problem is to find them, but this is also solvable. But when the technique is masked THAT, then these are not the problems of drones, but of those who are fighting on it ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 00: 49 New
      +2
      "ПЗРК эти дроны снимет почти все" Ну да снимет дроны у которых винтовые электродвигатели ГСН ПЗРК их даже не увидит.
      1. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 15 New
        0
        It depends on what kind of MANPADS and what kind of guidance. With a heat head, he can easily see a piston engine from behind, electric motors have one problem - they don't need small batteries, so their range and altitude are not very good. And there are rockets not with a thermal seeker, especially the old ones. Here's how to place them correctly - that's a problem. For it will be necessary to shoot down drones at medium and long distances for MANPADS, and this is a very short time for detection and guidance.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 19 October 2020 17: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey sh
          For it will be necessary to shoot down drones at medium and long distances for MANPADS, and this is a very short time for detection and guidance.

          MANPADS are not an option. Drones operate at altitudes of 5 + km, and for Armenian MANPADS this is the ceiling. will not get it.
  • KARAKURT777
    KARAKURT777 17 October 2020 19: 09 New
    +9
    How is this inability to fight? Immediately for 100 years they write the opposite, that the Azerbaijanis do not know how to fight))
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 19 October 2020 18: 37 New
    0
    Azerbaijan is losing the war, and the situation is getting worse every day.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 October 2020 17: 08 New
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    It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
    Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?
    1. max702
      max702 17 October 2020 17: 32 New
      28
      It seems to me that camouflage by all the rules will not help .. There, apparently, not only visual (although the quality of the video is a cut above what we were shown from Syria) but also electronic and other stuff .. A reason to think very seriously about our Armed Forces ..
    2. cmax
      cmax 17 October 2020 17: 38 New
      27
      Quote: Observer2014
      but of course it is powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put the grid on and say. I'm in the house.
      Tactics pr

      Хорошо бы пенсионеры с МинОбороны посмотрели бы эти ролики. Может это заставит по-быстрее получать в войска "не имеющее аналогов оружие" В стране, у которой проблемы с новыми технологиями, производством электроники, новых станков с раздутыми ФГУПАми ( боже ,какой там низкий уровень управления, сам там работал) по идее не может появиться ничего нового, прорывного. Танки 72 \ 80 ( которых большинство в войсках) без активной защиты как были так и остались, самолеты, вертолеты - модификации из 80-х годов прошлого века ( просто улучшают можно сказать, пилят средства, ничего нового). Коллиматорных прицелов, оптических прицелов у мотострелков как не было так и нет ( разве в спецназе). Флот......, без комментариев, скора каждый новый Раптор будут встречать салютом, отсутствие новых торпед, противоминных сил, десантных кораблей, авиации флота, энергонезависимых установок для новых подлодок. Производство в год аж по 2-3 ИЛ-76 "достижение"! Стрельба из пушек Панцырей вообще отдельная книга - разве можно , что-то сбить стреляя из них, только перевод снарядов. Неужели нельзя что-сделать , чтобы просто не дырявить небо. И т.д. Извиняюсь за чернуху, но если война опять людьми обепечивать победу.
      1. Sergei Sovetkin
        Sergei Sovetkin 17 October 2020 21: 44 New
        +1
        At least one sober opinion. Everything is correct
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 17: 43 New
      +8
      Quote: Observer2014
      Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

      Roughly speaking, the ammunition of these Bayraktars is not too large caliber. Type ATGM warhead. I suppose the dugout covers will not break through at once. And you can't see through the ceilings whether there is anything inside or not. If you are not able to provide the army with the means of observation and detection - bury yourself ... Expensive - yes, expensive ... And the army is an expensive thing.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 17 October 2020 17: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Quote: Observer2014
        Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

        Roughly speaking, the ammunition of these Bayraktars is not too large caliber. Type ATGM warhead. I suppose the dugout covers will not break through at once. And you can't see through the ceilings whether there is anything inside or not. If you are not able to provide the army with the means of observation and detection - bury yourself ... Expensive - yes, expensive ... And the army is an expensive thing.

        I swear to you, five times I printed a whole article today, instead of a comment. I erased. I could not send. About the new American reconnaissance helicopter. hi
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 18: 13 New
          -5
          Quote: Observer2014
          I swear to you, five times I printed a whole article today, instead of a comment. I erased. I could not send. About the new American reconnaissance helicopter.
          it just infuriates. I always copy the message before submitting.
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 17: 51 New
        +4

        Developed by the Turkish company Roketsan specifically for use with UAVs, the high-precision small-sized ammunition (bomb) MAM-L (SMM - Smart Micro Munition) weighing 22 kg is actually a "cut" version of the Roketsan L-UMTAS ATGM (weight 37,5 kg) with removal sections of the rocket engine and equipping with a semi-active laser guidance system. Ammunition length 1 m, caliber 160 mm. A warhead weighing 10 kg can be of two types - high-explosive fragmentation or tandem cumulative. It is stated that when dropped from a significant altitude, the MAM-L flight range exceeds 8 km. MAM-L (Smart Micro Munition) is a special lightweight guided munition designed for attack drones. This bomb is equipped with a high-precision laser guidance system and performs a gliding flight to the target. The ammunition guidance system allows you to hit with an error of no more than one meter. The combat effectiveness of the MAM-L has already been proven with the use of Bayraktar TB2 by the armed forces of the Turkish Republic. As the experience of the Turkish army has proven, high-precision aiming of ammunition and a relatively small warhead allow the use of the MAM-L against an enemy covered by civilian objects, without risking the civilian population.
      3. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 18: 03 New
        +1
        One of the widely used kamikaze in Karabakh.



        The Azerbaijani military unmanned aerial vehicle of the Zerbe model is presented in an aircraft-type configuration, moreover, this drone has a fairly compact overall dimensions, which significantly increases the maneuverability of the UAV, and also simplifies the process of operation and transportation.

        It will also be important to clarify that the unmanned aerial vehicle of the Zerbe model can also carry out combat missions, which is connected with the fact that this device is transporting a two kilogram fragmentation bomb that can cause significant damage to the live enemy fillets and lightly armored vehicles.

        The power section of the UAV is represented by one electric motor, which is capable of accelerating the drone to the maximum speed of the flight of 120 km / h, with the range of flight at 40 kilometers.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 18: 24 New
          10
          Friend of the Azerbaijani soldier




          Согласно тактике боевого применения "Harop" он выполняет барражирование в районе выполнения задачи. При этом предусмотрено два режима наведения и поражения целей. В первом он должен сам автоматически наводиться на обнаруженные автономно самим БПЛА источники радиоизлучения, в том числе мобильные, причем это не только РЛС. Рядом находящийся второй БПЛА данного типа может использоваться для оценки важности атаки с возможным последующей ее отменой оператором в ручном режиме. Во втором режиме выбор цели осуществляет оператор с помощью бортовой РЛС и оптико-электронной системы. Также в этом режиме данный дрон может выполнять разведывательные задания. В случае если цель не найдена, данный дрон способен вернуться на базу вылета и приземлиться там самостоятельно. Поражение цели осуществляется посредством подрыва "Harop" вместе с объектом атаки. Для этого он несет на себе боевую часть весом 23 кг. Главными целями данного БПЛА являются системы ПВО противника. Может применяться для атак кораблей и судов.
          Harop" построен по аэродинамической схеме утка, с передним горизонтальным оперением и двухкилевым вертикальным. Двигатель внутреннего сгорания расположен в задней части фюзеляжа. Винт толкающий. Оборудование управления и наведения расположено в носовой части. Круглосуточная всепогодная система разведки и наведения состоит из телевизионной камеры с телевизионным и инфракрасным каналами, системой обнаружения радиосигналов и РЛС. Длительность барражирования достигает 9 часов. Старт осуществляется с мобильной пусковой установки контейнерного типа при помощи твердотопливных ускорителей. Она может размещаться не только на суше, но и на кораблях, также возможен старт данного БПЛА с других летательных аппаратов. Старт возможен при любом угле возвышения и любой ориентации "Harop" на момент старта в пространстве. Дрон находится в контейнере в постоянной готовности к запуску, для этого система запуска имеет систему заправки "Harop" топливом.
          Maximum flight speed 417 km / h
          Cruising speed 185 km / h
          Practical range of 1000 km.
          Takeoff weight 135 kg.
          Warhead weight 23 kg.
          1. the Saint
            the Saint 17 October 2020 22: 21 New
            +5
            Russia has much better, but this advanced development that has no analogues in the world is strictly classified, and even the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is prohibited from showing cartoons about it on TV.
          2. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 20 New
            +1
            But the flight altitude let us down - 3 km. In principle, MANPADS of the 70s should go astray ...
      4. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 17 October 2020 23: 34 New
        +2
        I think they have dug up enough there for 30 years, you just need to use it correctly. Indoor caponier for technology is the basics of camouflage and safety.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 October 2020 00: 53 New
          0
          And it is, alas, not a panacea from drone UAVs, since they are armed with gliding bombs with a penetrating warhead.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 October 2020 10: 13 New
            +1
            What weight should the ammunition have to penetrate 0,5 m of reinforced concrete + 1 m of soil? What kind of drone will carry such ammunition? How many such ammunition will be able to lift? How many such drones and ammunition does Azerbaijan have? How much do they cost? How quickly can I replenish those spent? And if the Armenians, tomorrow they will launch a counterattack? The situation in the south reminds me more and more of Barvenkovo, in the summer of 42.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 October 2020 12: 33 New
              0
              А если армяне, завтра перейдут в контратаку? Уже нечем контратаковать . "Какого веса должен быть боеприпас, чтобы пробить 0,5 м. ж/б + 1 м. грунта? Таже GBU 39 и её аналоги
              Characteristics
              Weight, kg 130 kg
              Length, mm 1800 mm
              Width, mm 190 mm
              Maximum
              range 110 km
              Explosive mass
              SDB: 93 kg high-explosive penetration
              As you can see reinforced concrete breaks through with a bang
              and Azerbaijan's carriers from Turkey most likely have already ordered Bayraktar Akıncı bomb and missile load of 1350 kilograms and its armament range is much more serious than that of Bayraktar TB2
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 18 October 2020 15: 01 New
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                The picture is not drawn well. I ordered it - I haven't received it yet and haven't applied it on the battlefield. Nothing to counterattack? Where does the information come from? Also from Baku? If you believe their information, there are no soldiers or equipment in NKAO, but who are they fighting with then?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 18 October 2020 16: 54 New
                  +1
                  У НКАО техники считайте уже нет - так как её десятками единиц в день захватывают и уничтожают сегодня одних пушек и гаубиц на брошенной армянской базе больше 10 захватили. "Тоже из Баку? Если верить их информации в НКАО уже нет ни солдат, ни техники" Такую информацию в основном Армения штампует так как дела оной в Карабахе уже патовые.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 18 October 2020 18: 30 New
                    +1
                    Как говорится, "слепой сказал - увидим", думаю уже недолго осталось. Середина октября, а там ноябрь - дожди, снег, грязь, в горах холодно. Армянам хорошо, у них бункера, построенные еще в 90 - ых, ну и так по - мелочи. Десятками каждый день захватывают?))) Вы сами считали или это фотоотчеты от "Азербайджан беобахтер"?)))))
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 19 October 2020 17: 17 New
                      +1
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      Как говорится, "слепой сказал - увидим", думаю уже недолго осталось. Середина октября, а там ноябрь - дожди, снег, грязь, в горах холодно. Армянам хорошо, у них бункера, построенные еще в 90 - ых, ну и так по - мелочи.

                      а вот тут неувязочка. посмотрите на линию фронта. те самые "армянские бункеры построенные в 90-е" уже у Азербайджана, а армянские резервисты в голом поле request
                      I don’t know about the counteroffensive. to rely on news is somehow not very good. in the news, both of them win every day ... but the fact that the Azerbaijanis advanced, and the Armenians retreated is a fact. whether there will be a counterattack we'll see, but I doubt it. the Armenians completely merged the sky. without sky control what kind of offensive can we talk about?
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 19 October 2020 17: 57 New
                        +1
                        Azerbaijan has begun the transfer of troops to the Iranian border. I think you are aware that Iran has very bad relations with Azerbaijan (Turkey). Iran can take advantage of the situation. The only road along which the southern group is supplied goes along the Iranian border. We take the road under artillery control and the strike group turns into an endangered one. About the fact that the Armenians are sitting in a bare field. I read somewhere that 7 defense lines were equipped there, the Azerbaijanis passed 3. The direction was convenient for the offensive - the Armenians were waiting.
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 19 October 2020 18: 54 New
                        -1
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Azerbaijan has begun the transfer of troops to the Iranian border. I think you are aware that Iran has very bad relations with Azerbaijan (Turkey). Iran can take advantage of the situation. The only road along which the southern group is supplied goes along the Iranian border. We take the road under artillery control and the strike group turns into an endangered one.

                        as an option. but so far Iran has not commented on the situation at all and it is not known whether it will get involved in it. they have enough of their troubles there. start a war on 2 fronts with the United States and Turkey, you understand that the United States will immediately take advantage of the conflict with a NATO member. possible, but unlikely.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        I read somewhere that 7 defense lines were equipped there, the Azerbaijanis passed 3. The direction was convenient for the offensive - the Armenians were waiting.

                        is the difference between death and slow death big?
                        the line of defense is certainly good, but since the middle of the last century, the war is mobile. Back in 1943, the Germans told the Finns that you wouldn’t sit out in the pillboxes and that mobile groups were needed for counterattacks, but the Finns did not listen with a natural result. By the way, the Germans themselves also broke through the Mazheno line. sitting on the defensive won't win a war, at least not now. while Azerbaijan has the initiative request while the Armenians are not very much with counterattacks. they immediately tried apparently. remember the footage of the destroyed columns on the march? without taking control of the sky, you cannot go on the attack request
                        maybe the Armenians will be able to put things in order in the air defense and close the sky, but if they do not do this, then they are covered.
                      3. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 19 October 2020 23: 06 New
                        0
                        После падения на территории Ирана азербайджанского, в смысле турецкого, точнее еврейского БПЛА, Тегеран недвусмысленно предупредил Баку. И начал переброску КСИР к азербайджанской границе. Последнее время Эрдоган совершенно открыто хамил Трампу, Макрону, Путину - сегодня было заседание Совбеза ООН по Карабаху, посмотрим на его резолюцию. На Турцию никто нападать не будет, по крайней мере - не сейчас. Иран ударит по Азербайджану. Он не член НАТО, не член ОДКБ, кто будет помогать Баку в такой ситуации? Эрдоган пойдет на еще одну войну? Ему двух мало?))) Да и отношения у Турции с НАТО не особо. А как НАТО действует? Когда Италия обратилась за финансовой помощью (не военной) для борьбы с "короной", итальянцев просто "послали". Почему вы думаете, что в отношении Турции Европа поступит лучше? По поводу армянской обороны. Немцы линию Мажино не прорвали, а обошли (Вторая Мировая - моя специализация), армянам надо продержаться еще месяц, возможно чуть больше. Война закончится. Вопрос - на каких условия?
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                      5. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 20 October 2020 09: 18 New
                        0
                        I don't see any logic in Erdogan's actions at all. Having a bunch of problems inside the country and two conflicts of medium intensity outside its borders, incomprehensible with Greece, he starts a third. Such suspicions that this is not an autumn aggravation, but something worse.
                      6. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 22 October 2020 16: 01 New
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                        странно за что мой комент снесли? вроде не матерился laughing
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Имея кучу проблем внутри страны и два конфликта средней интенсивности за ее пределами, непонятки с Грецией, он затевает третий.

                        похоже дело в этих проблемах. война это способ мобилизовать население страны и отвлечь от внутренних проблем. также обратите внимание что только в Сирии турки присутствуют напрямую, все остальное гибридные конфликты, а это значит контракты на поставки оружия. забудьте байки что в регионах с нефтью нечем платить wink
                        также расширение сферы влияния. сплошные плюсы. good Эрдоган совсем не и не псих, вопрос в том хватит ли у него ресурсов?
                        PS
                        по поводу прорыва линии Мажено я ссылку кидал. операция "Тигр" 1940 года. можете сами найти или тут спросить. я вам в личку кину ссылку. (может за нее комент снесли request )
                      7. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 22 October 2020 18: 05 New
                        0
                        Не думаю, что ливийские бармалеи могут эксплуатировать БПЛА или ЗРК, так что, в каких- то количествах турки присутствуют. С расширением сферы влияния у Эрдогана пока плохо получается. По поводу линии Мажино, если немцы уже были в Париже, зачем ее штурмовать? Надо было подождать пару дней, французы сами разбежались бы
                      8. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 22 October 2020 18: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        С расширением сферы влияния у Эрдогана пока плохо получается.

                        ну как сказать... в Сирии он плотно засел договорившись с Россией. в Ливии атаку Хавтара отбили и теперь это не марионеточное правительство Франции (как было изначально) а марионетки Турции. чем обернется успех Аербайджана пока не очевидно. если успех все таки будет то Азербайджан будет сильно обязан Турции за поддержку, а это нефть и не последняя страна в регионе... к тому же какая реклама турецких БПЛА после сумбурного выступления в Идлибе.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        По поводу линии Мажино, если немцы уже были в Париже, зачем ее штурмовать? Надо было подождать пару дней, французы сами разбежались бы

                        совершенно верно. операция началась after падения Парижа, но ее проведение это исторический факт.
                        зачем? может в целях тренировки и подготовки войск. request может в рекламных и пропагандистских целях... в общем так или иначе, но это сделали.
  • Andrey sh
    Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 21 New
    0
    Its size is also much larger. So the question is how invisible it is to air defense ...
  • sektant777
    sektant777 18 October 2020 08: 06 New
    0
    Yes, even from these videos it is not clear how damaged the equipment, especially the tanks. Why don't the Azerbaijanis show the results of the hits, but only the arrival itself and the dust?
    Naturally, this warhead is enough for infantry and lightly armored vehicles.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 12: 37 New
      0
      In fact, they showed it, and yes, after such minibombs with a warhead of 10 kilograms hit, all the equipment receives decent damage and in fact it is simply thrown onto the battlefield.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 17 October 2020 19: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Observer2014
    Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?
    Is.
    This is not a tactic.
    This is dementia and courage.
    Sadly.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 17 October 2020 19: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Observer2014
    It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
    Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

    In the last century, the isoorthochromatic film Type 25K (if I remember correctly) already made such a disguise pointless. So it's not about the last century, but about the brains.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 17 October 2020 20: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Doliva63
      Quote: Observer2014
      It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
      Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

      In the last century, the isoorthochromatic film Type 25K (if I remember correctly) already made such a disguise pointless. So it's not about the last century, but about the brains.

      Вот именно в мозгах.Я в прошлом веке на фото кружок ходил.Мои фото были представлены даже на одном известном конкурсе.И кстати из моих достижений на моей фотке восемь Лун .Обожал фотик широкоформатный "Любитель 2 " good wink
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 19 October 2020 18: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Observer2014
        Quote: Doliva63
        Quote: Observer2014
        It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
        Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

        In the last century, the isoorthochromatic film Type 25K (if I remember correctly) already made such a disguise pointless. So it's not about the last century, but about the brains.

        Вот именно в мозгах.Я в прошлом веке на фото кружок ходил.Мои фото были представлены даже на одном известном конкурсе.И кстати из моих достижений на моей фотке восемь Лун .Обожал фотик широкоформатный "Любитель 2 " good wink

        Yes, Lover was awesome! laughing Я тоже прошёл через них - Любитель, Смена-6, Смена-7, ФЭД, Зоркий, куча разных Зенитов, включая Фотоснайперы, из "импортных" - пара Практик с моторчиком. А потом - АФА на самолётах-разведчиках. drinks
  • Andrey sh
    Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 18 New
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    If the net was thrown over the trench, hell would this drone see what.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 00: 54 New
      +2
      Considering the resolution of the cameras of these drones, the operators would immediately see the grid on the trench.
      1. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 25 New
        +1
        Well, let them see her. The main thing is that they will not see it underneath. Nobody has canceled false targets yet. And the resolution will not save - first you need to find a grid of the same color as the surrounding surface on a piece of ten kilometers. And this is not very fast ...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 19 October 2020 17: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey sh
          Well, let them see her. The main thing is that they will not see it underneath. Nobody has canceled false targets yet. And the resolution will not save - first you need to find a grid of the same color as the surrounding surface on a piece of ten kilometers. And this is not very fast ...

          tell me, and the absence of other means of intelligence in your reasoning is the convention with which you intend to defend your position? preparation of positions, arrival of equipment, is all this also under the net and using the arrival of false technology?
  • iouris
    iouris 17 October 2020 17: 10 New
    0
    It was not Azerbaijan that showed you: Turkish and Israeli equipment. They showed it. Or someone who owns inaccessible technologies. Thinking hard, thinking, what did they mean by that?
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  • edeligor
    edeligor 17 October 2020 17: 13 New
    +2
    I don't understand one thing - where are the Armenian electronic warfare equipment? Why are Turkish and Israeli UAVs doing what they want? In modern information support, a different picture, thrown off in time, is better than winning a battle.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 October 2020 17: 17 New
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      Burned down in the early days. And the benefits of electronic warfare are overestimated, to put it mildly. Rather, it is relevant for the technology of the 90s - early 00s.

      Now every year UAVs are getting more and more autonomous functions. Work by type loaded the signatures of the goals, their priorities - launch-forget - this is already a prospect by the beginning of the 30th. There is electronic warfare, and in theory, even everything.
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 17 October 2020 17: 26 New
        +8
        And the benefits of electronic warfare are overestimated, to put it mildly.
        Strongly disagree.
        Work by type uploaded target signatures, their priorities - start-forget
        Работает давно. Никаких будущих 30-х. Я к тому, любое БПЛА, хоть камикадзе, хоть небесный тихоход турецкого производства, имеет канал связи, да ещё какой! Вот только не надо "в уши гадить" по поводу супер пупер защиты! Никакая защита не справится с направленным ЭМ воздействием, даже не заикаюсь про направленные помехи.
        relevant for the technology of the 90s - early 00s.
        It was then that damping algorithms for such a technique were developed.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 17: 32 New
          0
          Quote: edeligor
          Strongly disagree.

          So give an example with evidence of the successful use of electronic warfare? There are many words, about the same Iranian RQ-170, here are only 0 proofs.
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 17 October 2020 17: 49 New
            +9
            And the defense of our base in Syria? Perfume drones are launched every day and are completely unsuccessful
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 17: 51 New
              0
              I wrote about this already.
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik

              There is only one known successful anti-drone target, the Khmeimim base.

              Joint air defense system consisting of:
              • ZRPK short-range "Pantsir-S1";
              • Osa-AKM short-range air defense system;
              • S-125 "Pechora-2M";
              • Buk-M2E medium-range air defense system;
              • Long-range air defense system S-200VE "Vega";
              • S-400 "Triumph".
              • S-300FM "Fort-M" (missile cruisers "Moskva" and "Varyag" with combat service areas in the coastal waters of the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea).
              • Electronic warfare "Krasukha-4".

              They make up three echelons:
              Long-range systems - the S-400 Triumph air defense system and the S-200VE Vega air defense system - provide long-range approaches to the defended object.
              At medium ranges, the S-300FM Fort and Buk-M2E medium-range air defense systems are fighting the air enemy.
              Short-range air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" and S-125 "Pechora-2M".

              Let's add fighter and assault aircraft here.

              All this combined can provide reliable air defense.
              1. Liam
                Liam 17 October 2020 18: 09 New
                +4
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                I wrote about this already.

                What drones are used against Khmeimim?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 17 October 2020 19: 35 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Liam
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  I wrote about this already.

                  What drones are used against Khmeimim?

                  Shalom! Kum vyatse? hi
                  Civilians with artisanal attached ammunition or artisanal with army grenades or homemade explosives
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 17 October 2020 19: 43 New
                    +5
                    Noroc! We are fighting the second wave. How are you?
                    Therefore, I was surprised by the ranting about
                    There is only one known successful anti-drone target, the Khmeimim base.
                    .
                    What is the relation of these devices from the city of N and sticks from Aliexpress on electrical tape to a combat UAV.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 17 October 2020 19: 52 New
                      0
                      In Krasnodar, people in masks walk in the proportion of one to a hundred. Muscovites complain (or boast) that many have been transferred to a remote location.
                      Well, like, they also fly and can kill
                      And the goal is not easy
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 17 October 2020 19: 55 New
                        +1
                        We have a mask obligation in any public place, including the street.
                        The difference between these devices and the UAV is about the same as between a home-made village scooter and a Formula 1 car)
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 20: 00 New
                        0
                        I agree, but if such garbage explodes near an aircraft worth tens of millions of tanks, you end up on expensive repairs and a decrease in the combat capability of the Aerospace Forces group
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 17 October 2020 20: 09 New
                        +6
                        They burst like that. There were photos.
                        It's just that these statements are propaganda and self-deception. How Khmeimim's air defense will cope with an attack on real combat UAVs, no one knows, although you can roughly estimate. And building illusions based on successes with these rudimentary homemade products will end badly. Over the past year, this is the third theater of operations where Soviet The Russian air defense concept suffers a deafening failure in the fight against far from the most advanced UAVs of a rather secondary military and technological country like Turkey.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 20: 17 New
                        +1
                        In Khmeimim, training is underway to counter drones in principle. One of the tasks of finding the Russian Armed Forces in Syria is training. About if - but I do not know. Most likely, they would have pushed through the Khmeimim air defense system in bulk, but this is a war with the Russian Federation, and this is not the most pleasant thing for Turkey, and in principle not acceptable for most of the other NATO countries ..
                      5. Liam
                        Liam 17 October 2020 20: 27 New
                        +3
                        )))
                        And what prevents to practice and please with success with real UAVs. There are at least three theaters where allies of Russia, armed with Russian air defense systems and trained by Russian instructors, with the partial participation of Russian personnel, are smashed to smithereens. Yet they look at these events, analyze and make conclusions. Fighting scooters on duct tape will not deceive anyone. Numerous videos with the Carapaces blown to smithereens are real and convincing, in contrast to the vigorous press releases about how the Carapaces smash scooters over Khmeimim.
                        And complacency that no one will dare to fight with Russia is a dangerous self-deception that will one day play a cruel joke
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 20: 32 New
                        +3
                        In principle, I agree. The army must be ready to meet with any enemy, and the construction of multi-layered air defense centers is a priori pushed through by CD and drones.
                      7. Liam
                        Liam 17 October 2020 20: 39 New
                        +6
                        The entire 100-year history of combat aviation proves convincingly and without exception that exclusively ground-based air defense will always lose with a bang to aviation. Aviation can only be defeated by other aviation.
                        The problem of Russia with the fight against attack UAVs is that the Russian Federation does not have such as a type of weapons, and it is impossible to work out any effective methods in the same exercises.
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 20: 53 New
                        -1
                        Not always - 1970-1973 Soviet and Arab air defenses significantly reduced the effectiveness of Heil Avir, knocking him out as a means capable of determining or turning the tide of a war.
                      9. Liam
                        Liam 17 October 2020 21: 14 New
                        0
                        I think that the Israeli colleagues on the site will answer you in more detail than I do for this statement)
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 21: 21 New
                        0
                        Here I can act as an Israeli colleague who knows the military history of this country well)).
                      11. Liam
                        Liam 17 October 2020 21: 26 New
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                        Я знаю).Просто я тоже знаком в общем с перипетиями "странной войны" и моя оценка расходится с Вашей в этой части.Но спорить/доказывать-израильтяне сделают это более убедительно.Если прочтут)
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 21: 33 New
                        +3
                        This is the 1973 war - the so-called. Oktyabrskaya
                        For the first time in three days of the war, the Arabs put about a quarter of the Israeli aviation's air defense, along with dozens of their aircraft, however
                        Then they tried not to leave the air defense umbrella, so the Israelis crossed the Suez Canal and crushed the air defense missile system with tanks
                        In the Syrian direction, the air defense of the Arabs remained effective
                        In 1982, the Israelis began a massive use of drones to break through the Syrian air defense in Lebanon.
                        That's the whole story))
                      13. Andrey sh
                        Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 25 New
                        0
                        The story is that the Syrians did not launch anything modern across Israel. Nothing at all. It is for control systems and home aerodromes. And as you know, wars are not won by defense.
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 October 2020 23: 36 New
                        +2
                        How was it not allowed? There were OTRK strikes on the Israeli military airfield Ramat David after the retaliatory bombing of the Syrian General Staff and Air Force Headquarters in Damascus, this instantly stopped.
                      15. Andrey sh
                        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 31 New
                        0
                        Once? This is what was not used. Who prevents, in response to strikes from the territory of Libya, from launching air-to-surface missiles from there after every Israeli air raid? And the same for headquarters and warehouses?
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 October 2020 19: 48 New
                        0
                        From the territory of Libya? Geography. History. And the possibility of the destruction of any Lebanese, Syrian, etc. hinders. cities by quarters during the day. hi
  • sektant777
    sektant777 18 October 2020 08: 11 New
    0
    Ahaha!
    And who won in the first two theaters? Yours?))
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 19 October 2020 17: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Liam
    They burst like that. There were photos.

    do you mean mortar shelling? where does the air defense and the UAV? heard the ringing but does not know where he is laughing
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 19 October 2020 17: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Liam
    The difference between these devices and the UAV is about the same as between a home-made village scooter and a Formula 1 car)

    Of course, it was made of guan and sticks, but they acted in a flock and from Amerovsky Poseidon they tried to bypass the means of suppression, not very successfully. and we slept and drones lost and ran into a scandal.
    and so there the drainpipes break through the iron dome wink
  • Egor53
    Egor53 17 October 2020 22: 41 New
    0
    The militants in Syria are American fosterlings. I cannot believe that Americans do not provide their children with the necessary equipment.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 17 October 2020 20: 04 New
    +1
    Against the baratkars in Libya, we worked well for the moment 29, and against Harold and zerbe SS 24, everything that moves, spread it, so as not to take off
  • Reiter
    Reiter 18 October 2020 16: 44 New
    0
    Do the Harpy spirits in service? They showed photos of drones shot down over Khmeimim, they were Chinese handicrafts. Their electronic warfare should bring down without problems. They cannot launch missiles and go directly to the target to drop a bomb over it. The proximity of such UAVs contributes to their detection and destruction. They cannot launch gliding bombs or missiles. But I think Khmeimim will cope with the Grpies, the question is in the quantity, they can overload the air defense. However, such air defense as above the base, will it be possible to create on the front line? All the way? I think that while it is not readily available, it is expensive, in addition, air defense facilities must be seriously protected from spirits.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 17 October 2020 22: 31 New
    -4

    So give an example with evidence of the successful use of electronic warfare? Many words

    Облет эсминца "Дональд Кук" Суд 24 чем вам плохой пример?
  • donavi49
    donavi49 17 October 2020 17: 35 New
    +2
    Well, here I am writing. A little more and the signatures will be loaded either on the ground or in flight, and the drone will itself look for a target (probably this electronic warfare station) in the area and hit it autonomously. No communication channel.

    And replacing satellite navigation will not help either. Now even commercial gyro controllers provide 200m error for 15 minutes of flight.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 17: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: donavi49
      A little more and the signatures will be loaded either on the ground or in flight, and the drone will itself look for a target (probably this electronic warfare station) in the area and hit it autonomously.

      It is unnecessary to do this even. Satellite communications simply cannot be drowned out from the ground, electronic warfare aviation is needed for this. It is just as hard to jam a radio channel. The signal is short, the frequencies change automatically, the antenna sensitivity is high, the signal filtering is of high quality, etc. The interference sector itself is small, you can fly around it. You can use a network of air repeaters, then in principle it is impossible to drown out the channel.
      As the radio channel was used for control and data transmission, it will be so, ground-based electronic suppression (electronic suppression) is useless.
      Ps Look how many analogues of Rubella-4 in the world, be surprised.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 17 October 2020 17: 56 New
        +1
        Well, I wrote that pretty soon the set of functions will include features that bypass any electronic warfare. Just because they can act autonomously on targets.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 18: 01 New
          +6
          I am a radio engineer and a military communications operator by education (although it was a long time ago), so I react sharply to the topic of electronic warfare. It's just that the blood from the eyes comes from what they write here. Electronic warfare is a necessary thing in the conditions of modern wars, but its principles are not understood correctly. Turning off your phone (or better to destroy it) at the position is also electronic warfare.
        2. Ali
          Ali 17 October 2020 19: 32 New
          -8
          Quote: Ali
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik VO topic: Bayraktar TB2 Turkish Attack Drone

          As a radio engineer by education, blood flows from his eyes when I read here about electronic warfare and radar. The characteristics of the terrain are not affected by anything, the main mast is higher, it is possible to drown out the satellite and UAV signal from the ground from several hundred kilometers, the UAV control center is detected by radio channel and calculated at once, etc.

          OgnennyiKotik. Learn radar, strategist - translator - propagandist! Highlighted by me, your expression completely speaks of your very weak knowledge in radar, as an engineer and not only!

          donavi49!
          This is what this little magpie wrote about earlier, not knowing the topic, and what he received from me in response, so he did not have and does not have faith!
          1. Ali
            Ali 17 October 2020 19: 45 New
            -7
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            It is just as hard to jam a radio channel. The signal is short, the frequencies automatically change, antenna sensitivity is high, high-quality signal filtering, etc. The noise sector itself is small, you can fly around it.

            OgnennyiKotik. Write fairy tales again... Learn AFU (Antenna Feeder Devices)!
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 19: 50 New
            -2
            Sarcism (Greek σαρκασμός, from σαρκάζω, literally "to tear the flesh") is one of the types of satirical exposure, caustic mockery, the highest degree of irony, based not only on the increased contrast of the implied and expressed, but also on the immediate intentional exposure of the implied. Sarcasmized statements and fiction say one thing, but make it clear that they mean the opposite - for example, through mocking hyperbole or intonation.
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              1. Ali
                Ali 17 October 2020 20: 32 New
                -4
                OgnennyiKotik. Sly and quirky, and no more, not answering questions. And for this:
                Quote: Eye of the Crying

                Quote: OgnennyiKotik

                The characteristics of the terrain do not affect anything, the main mast is higher

                Tell us how the underlying surface affects the search for high-altitude targets smile

                And to this, what do you say? - no knowledge, nothing to say?
                1. Andrey sh
                  Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 34 New
                  0
                  It has NO effect on ALTITUDE goals. This is the problem of detecting low-altitude targets and enveloping the relief using an altimeter.
          3. Yaik Cossack
            Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 20: 37 New
            +1
            It was irony)))) and it all turned out to be ugly to distort.

            Although usually the words "Soros" are the vocabulary of agitprop.
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        3. Andrey sh
          Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 30 New
          0
          They will not turn on anything - the radio channel, sensors, altimeters, guidance systems - hell without this, drones can fly at all. It is enough to force the altitude sensor to give the wrong data and the drone will crash. The same with positioning. The drone transmitted the coordinates, the rocket left, and in the coordinate the error is 10 kilometers - for example, it will fly to the Turks or Iranians and the Boska will be torn off in response ...
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 18 October 2020 10: 04 New
            +6
            Good luck jamming altimeter. You would have learned its principle of operation to begin with. Well, in which case, there is a duplicate option. And if you are completely confused, then you can screw the barometric one, there, even in theory, does not drag electronic warfare by the ears.

            Guidance system - I repeat, you can buy a controller on Aliexpress that makes an error of 200 meters for 15 minutes of flight without satellite navigation. ANN cannot be fooled by any electronic warfare, there is a submarine inside the submarine and the chip analyzes deviations - building a route and defining itself in space. Such technologies are used even by designers from Idlib Aviation - who let birds in according to Khmemim.

            The radio channel is needed only now. I have indicated the near future. When on the UAV, even before the start or already in flight (while the signal is there), you can load target signatures (SAM, radar, electronic warfare stations) and the detection / destruction area. Further, he himself will patrol the given area to identify and destroy loaded targets. Offline without communication. These technologies are now in active work. Probably in 5 years such drones / kamikaze will already fly.
          2. Reiter
            Reiter 18 October 2020 16: 50 New
            0
            Altimeters jamming !? Omg! Yes, they are different, you know that most of them are still barometric.
            1. Andrey sh
              Andrey sh 18 October 2020 17: 47 New
              0
              I know. But not all of them. On a barometric one, you cannot create an apparatus with terrain bending, you need a radio altimeter. A heavy drone at high altitude would be a good target for air defense. Their advantage is stealth. There are problems with inertial guidance systems and with guidance by satellites and with the determination of coordinates by satellite photos of the terrain from the internal base. Therefore, the operator is now sitting at the control. By the way, are you aware that short powerful video pulses can easily introduce errors into the operation of digital systems, the same microprocessors and sensors? Nobody will predict what the control system will receive even from a barometric sensor during such an attack, but the fact that it will not work out the program is sure ... So drones are a weapon against the poor and the underdeveloped.
              1. Reiter
                Reiter 19 October 2020 12: 35 New
                0
                Простите, что? "Кстати, Вы в курсе что короткими мощными видеоимпульсами запросто можно внести ошибки в работу цифровых систем, тех же ... " Это как вы себе представляете видиоимпульсы? Может вы имели ввиду ЭМИ? Ну если так, то да, но такого оружия еще пока в серийном виде нет ни к где, экспериментирует только, а пока это появится на рынке и в армиях, война в Карабахе и другие конфликты уже закончиться или потеряют свою актуальность. Сейчас надо исходить из того, что противодействия таким беспилотными средствам могут оказывать несколько стран и то при определенном напряга своих ресурсов. Это не тревиальная задача на сейчас. И если подобную тактику применения БПЛА используют на Донбассе украинцы, то ополчению не позавидуешь. Надеюсь, кураторы уже думают, как курировать такую угрозу. Ведь Зе уже там с Турцией подписал очередной контракт на взаимодействия в этой сфере.
          3. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 October 2020 21: 42 New
            0
            By the way, one UAV has already flown into Iran. Tehran godfather wrote off a serious malyava to Baku. If such rotten show-off is repeated, the Tehran otvetku will be turned on. And if we consider that the normal road along which the supply of the southern group is going is one, goes parallel to the Iranian border, very close, that is, something to think about.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 October 2020 19: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Ps Look how many analogues of Rubella-4 in the world, be surprised.

        Rubella has only one analogue - measles. The same symptoms. Rubella - infection.
        Krasukha - Russian family of electronic warfare (EW) systems.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 19: 05 New
          -2
          Well done, noticed a typo, put + in your diary.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 17 October 2020 19: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Well done, noticed a typo, put + in your diary.

            I threw out my diary in the early 70s. And I made a remark only because I hate "experts" who even manage to make mistakes in the name of the product. Not typos, but errors. It's just that they "crap" from the heart the consonant words: rubella - rubella, cornet - lorgnette, trombone - sorry ... wassat
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 19: 12 New
              +3
              That my tablet knows and writes, I do not always notice what he framed.
              I accepted the comment and put "-" in my diary. Allow me to write further comments?
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 20: 05 New
                +1
                good laughing ............
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 20: 04 New
              +1
              Comrade, ROSS 42, in punishment for his mistake, he was bitten by a cat and hit the door with his little finger.
              Please remove the comment.
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  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 17 October 2020 17: 38 New
    +4
    It would be so easy that the UAVs fell when the electronic warfare was turned on, but it is still possible to organize the operation of the UAV in conditions of strong interference and jamming of channels. Well, the electronic warfare itself is also a good target, with the ability of drones to detect targets at a distance of up to 30 km (in ideal conditions) and correct artillery strikes, MLRS.
    That is, we again return to the fact that we need an integrated layered air defense system, ideally also with fighter aircraft, and all this is against drones.
  • Operator
    Operator 17 October 2020 18: 18 New
    +5
    Forget about electronic warfare - this is hanging noodles instead of adopting MNTK and KAZ.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 October 2020 18: 24 New
    +2
    Electronic warfare is primarily intended to jam the enemy's communication channels - but with the help of these means you will not drown out all the channels of the effect of EMP, and you are sure that the electronics of drones are not protected from this effect, their designers are clearly not but electronic warfare against IR, TV, laser Radars are useless.
  • Veka
    Veka 17 October 2020 23: 52 New
    +4
    "Байрактары" не самые продвинутые беспилотники. Интересно, как таким птичкам, как MQ-9 Reaper (потолок 15км) или YMQ-9A Predator B-002 (потолок 18,3км) будете противодействовать? "направленным ЭМ воздействием" гиперболоида или сразу GPS спутники отключать над регионом? laughing Or to lift the AWACS A-50 aircraft into the air? It turns out a little expensive .. laughing The drone will complete its task and fly away ..
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik 18 October 2020 20: 54 New
      0
      Remarkable targets for Bukov, S-300 / S-400.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 17: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: donavi49
    Burned down in the early days. And the benefits of electronic warfare are, to put it mildly, overestimated

    Most likely, they were not there. And if there were any, they didn't know how to work for them. They were caught by surprise, by surprise.
    Recently, in Idlib, the same Turkish drone was clicked very quickly. And not our calculations were sitting there, except perhaps advisers ... Something about 20 pieces of lost Bayraktars is remembered ... In any case, they were no longer present in the sky of Idlib. It's too early to bury electronic warfare.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 October 2020 18: 17 New
      +3
      Idlib, Bayraktors ... as the Turks occupied it, they sit there, protecting their proxies
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 18: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Idlib, Bayraktors ... as the Turks occupied it, they sit there, protecting their proxies

        I'm talking about the offensive in Idlib of the Syrian army. Relatively recent. When the highway in Aleppo was unblocked, the Turks were significantly moved there along with the proxy. Don't you remember?
        Syrian air defense during the battles in Idlib shot down five ANKA-S UAVs and seven Bayraktar TB2: diana_mihailova - LJ
        There are other links, the Turks have not denied the loss. And the first ones are much steeper than Bayraktarchikov.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 October 2020 18: 28 New
          +1
          I only watched whether the Syrians would recapture Idlib or not hi I didn't even know that they had moved something there.
        2. Yaik Cossack
          Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 20: 41 New
          -1
          And how many Shells were destroyed?
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 20: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
            And how many Shells were destroyed?

            How much? And where? In Syria, in Libya? In Karabakh? If you count by non-proper media, they haven't even made that much ...
            1. Yaik Cossack
              Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 21: 10 New
              +3
              Well, young patriots of Chubays from United Russia still assure that all the footage of the destruction of the Armor by Jews and Turks in Syria is a video editing personally made by Soros himself.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 21: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
                Well, young patriots of Chubais from United Russia to

                Странный винегрет. Чубайсята и ЕР. Они как у вас замешались? ИМХО, непримиримые враги. Сколько же все таки Панцирей "забили" беспилотники? Полагаю ГШ МО РФ знает подробности до последней заклёпки. Недаром разговоры про модернизацию начались достаточно давно. И последняя модификация уже вышла... Возможно, это она сейчас в Сирии испытывалась. Я далек от мысли, что Панцирь - это несокрушимое супероружие. Это система ПВО ближней зоны, причем объектовая, а не армейская. Имеет свои слепые зоны и пределы обнаружения малозаметных объектов. Короче, система сложная, требует тренировок и "натаскивания" экипажа на работу с медленными малозаметными беспилотниками.
                1. Yaik Cossack
                  Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 22: 13 New
                  +1
                  Well, apparently because of your young age, you don't remember that United Russia was invented and created by the outstanding "patriot" Berezovsky. But the Chubais oligarchs and the Chubais officials ruled the country as well as they rule. All of them got out of the Chubais-Yeltsin pocket. So we can't use drones - there is no element base. And electronics too. All hope for the Chinese. They got up from their knees.
                  So take offense at the truth in vain, hurray-patriots.
                  1. Yaik Cossack
                    Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 22: 18 New
                    0
                    And leave the wonderful mriyas "I suppose" to the kids playing dances. Drones have been around for a long time. Well, where is this all-wise and prudent General Staff? The answer is simple - money is sawed and stored in the West, models stuffed with foam are carried around exhibitions and they hope that the jingoistic patriots will continue to believe in their secret "successes."
                  2. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 17 October 2020 22: 45 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Yaitsky Cossack
                    Well, apparently because of your young age, you don't remember that United Russia was invented and created by the outstanding "patriot" Berezovsky

                    What a mess in your mind. Perhaps the dialogue is meaningless a priori. Thank you for your young age. I'll show my grandchildren ... laughing
                  3. Yaik Cossack
                    Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 00: 02 New
                    0
                    That means senile dementia. You should see the doctors first.
                    Why do you Chubais people now deny the obvious facts?
                    Relatively recently, Yeltsin's daughter told right in their faces how Boris Abramovich created the party and even came up with the name - "United Russia".
                    Do you want a link, otherwise I can easily ... show your grandchildren too
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 October 2020 18: 28 New
    +4
    Judging by what we saw from the very beginning of the war, the Armenian Armed Forces generally cannot work with anything other than a rifle station.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 18 October 2020 21: 33 New
    0
    Electronic warfare works in Syria, but does not work in NKAO - strange, right?
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 17: 20 New
    +7
    Quote: edeligor
    I don't understand one thing - where are the Armenian electronic warfare equipment?

    It is clear where. Burned out already. Do you still believe in the prodigy of electronic warfare? So watch the video of destroyed repellents. How many examples are needed to understand that electronic warfare against military UAVs works only in the programs of the Zvezda TV channel?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 17: 35 New
      -10
      During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 17: 52 New
        +5
        You can't believe without video.
        War is the way of deception, deception is the way of war.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 17: 56 New
          -10
          Ours do not lie about this, and there is no need for this. If there is no video now, it will definitely appear a little later.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 October 2020 18: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            Ours do not lie about this, and there is no need for this. If there is no video now, it will definitely appear a little later.

            The principle of Instagram - did and did not post = did not laughing
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 17 October 2020 18: 41 New
              +4
              Press services appeared before Instagram.

              However, there is one more of the commandments of the bureaucrat: “If you do it, write it down. If you didn't - write it down twice.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 17 October 2020 19: 04 New
              +3
              Yes, but now the main thing is vidyuhi
              They announced the capture of Hadrut - the Armenians posted vidyukh refutations - everyone believed them. Now Azerbaijanis have shown a video of an empty Hadrut, and a detailed one, everyone already believes AR hi
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 17 October 2020 23: 34 New
                0
                The furry animal comes to Pashinyan. He lost the campaign, they will throw him out.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 18: 41 New
          +1
          Yerevan is engaged in overt terrorist activities, Russian expert on international conflicts Yevgeny Mikhailov said commenting on the missile strike inflicted by the RA Armed Forces on Ganja on his Facebook page.

          “Until now, no one has given a proper assessment of this. Only individual statesmen expressed their position on this matter. In my opinion, the world community needs to draw certain conclusions from this situation, introduce sanctions against the Armenian leadership, and as a result, when everything is over, bring Nikol Pashinyan and his clique to the Hague Tribunal, ”Yevgeny Mikhailov noted. Video https://minval.az/news/124045240
        3. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 22: 39 New
          +1
          In the south, Iranians are greeting Azerbaijani soldiers from the other side, near the ancient Khudaferin bridge. And this is near the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. That is, the Armenians have left all positions in the south. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TIQGVNfLag&feature=emb_logo
      2. Egor53
        Egor53 17 October 2020 22: 59 New
        +1
        If this continues, then in a month Armenia will have nothing but small arms.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 October 2020 17: 36 New
      +2
      Fiery cat - here the problem is not in the availability, but in the correct use of electronic warfare. Firstly, they stood in positions that were also not disguised, the positions were not guarded, the complexes should work on the front line in an impulse mode, so that they did not have time to detect their coordinates, then a change of position so as not to destroy them. And then, hacked into continuous mode, the drone aimed a loitering ammunition, everything was clearly visible in the video! So, both the lack of disguise, and the lack of guarding the post, and the unwillingness to change position, the whole complex of inability to use complex equipment led to the destruction of the Repilents. ...
      1. strelokmira
        strelokmira 17 October 2020 17: 43 New
        +5
        here the problem is not in the availability, but in the correct use of electronic warfare. Firstly, they stood in positions that were also not disguised, the positions were not guarded, the complexes should work on the front line in an impulse mode, so that they did not have time to detect their coordinates, then a change of position so as not to destroy them.

        And then, hacked into continuous mode, the drone aimed a loitering ammunition, everything was clearly visible in the video!

        There is nothing that the main task of electronic warfare is to clog the air and put interference, here the drone in the active mode, spitting on the set interference, directed a loitering ammunition, while being above the radiation source ...
        1. Andrey sh
          Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 35 New
          0
          Let him first determine his coordinates and transmit them during the work of electronic warfare. Electronic warfare works in all ranges, laser illumination of observation devices is also electronic warfare for that matter. As well as radio direction finding with aiming its weapons at the radiation source.
      2. Cottager452
        Cottager452 17 October 2020 18: 35 New
        +3
        ... with the "right use", the commentators are crappy. Do you write "Dad" through "o" too?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 17 October 2020 17: 18 New
    0
    Интересно, а если бы вместо беспилотника прилетел бы пакет из "Града", кто нибудь бы стал писать громкие заголовки, делать из этого сенсацию, писать, что всё, войне конец, в том виде, как мы её знали, что танки больше не нужны...?...

    And yes, would a disguise save him?
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 17 October 2020 17: 24 New
      +1
      Yes, it seems that hail is actively used there. The results just do not show against tanks especially.
    2. strelokmira
      strelokmira 17 October 2020 17: 28 New
      +6
      Интересно, а если бы вместо беспилотника прилетел бы пакет из "Града", кто нибудь бы стал писать громкие заголовки, делать из этого сенсацию

      Well, if there were guided projectiles on the hailstones, each of which would definitely hit its target while having a penny cost, they shouted three times louder
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 17 October 2020 17: 30 New
      +9
      1) Would suddenly save the majority. Here the projectile flies directly into the vehicle / infantry group. The hail is scattering over the area. If they pray well, they will only cut a little with small fragments, and the vehicle will remain operational. Just the prikopennost, the shafts are all in place, according to the Soviet textbook (except for equipment on the march).

      2) The hail package must be sent somewhere. To direct it, you need target designation. These positions are not at the forefront. UAVs are still needed for target designation.

      3) For the hail package, you can send your hail package to the response. All is well with the Armenians. According to Soviet textbooks. On the UAV, the answer, as we see, does not really work out. And the Azerbaijani batteries can seize the moments and process the troops in a brazen way. For the contaminated and flanking batteries burned out or urgently change positions after the neighbors burned out.

      4) The feeling of complete hopelessness, which accumulates and will grow. That is, even in the deep rear, where no hailstones in theory will arrive, in a dark night they can fly in and throw. Again, hailstones / art on entrenched infantry is quite tolerable. And the crowding reflex in trenches, pits, dugouts has been developed for all videos.


      Here it only works in the negative. For the operator adjusts the ammunition in the largest pile and it is also not a problem to bring it into the dugout.

      Whereas if a packet of hail had arrived, they would have gotten off with fright, again if they had prayed to God and there would have been no accidental arrival where necessary.
      1. leks
        leks 17 October 2020 17: 44 New
        20
        Hard video!
        I would not like to be in their place (Armenians).
        So little by little they will knock out all the equipment from the Armenians.
        The Armenians have already lost technically, you cannot fight much on one fighting spirit and infantry.
        1. MTN
          MTN 17 October 2020 18: 13 New
          -10
          Quote: leks
          So little by little they will knock out all the equipment from the Armenians.

          So already at least a billion was destroyed. The Armenians lost a lot of equipment and manpower. It will take tens of years to recover. They only lost about 17 people on the 150th.

          Quote: leks
          on one fighting spirit

          What spirit? Their spirit is enough for sleeping peaceful people. Their spirit is highly overrated and highly publicized. Their respected spirit cries in the trenches.
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 17 October 2020 23: 15 New
            +1
            Do you think that Azerbaijani soldiers are taller? And this is shown by the videos from the UAV? Maybe I don’t know something: tell us about the exploits of Azerbaijanis during the Second World War or in the DRA. I will not talk about the Armenians, this is their concern. But about the Azeris as a soldier I read in the memoirs of one of the generals of the Second World War. When one Azerbaijani was killed in the front during the battle, the rest ran to him and began to mourn his death. Despite the ongoing battle and warnings from other soldiers and orders from commanders. And the Germans, don't be fools, threw a couple of mines there. And they put everyone ...
            Then I met similar episodes a couple of times in the memories of soldiers.
            I will say one thing, nothing is clear about this conflict yet ...
            1. MTN
              MTN 18 October 2020 01: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: dmmyak40
              tell us about the exploits of Azerbaijanis during the Second World War


              Hazi Aslanov - Soviet military leader, Guard Major General, twice Hero of the Soviet Union. The Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper of December 24, 1942 wrote: “The history of wars has never seen fighters who fought as bravely as AA Aslanov and his fighting friends. No matter how strong the enemy tanks and infantry are, they cannot compare with the unit led by the mighty, strong-willed commander, Hero of the Soviet Union Hazi Aslanov. "

              Mamish Abdullaev - Hero of the Great Patriotic War - for the courage shown in the battles on the Kursk Bulge. Machine gunner Mamish Shahbaz oglu Abdullayev was awarded the Order of the Red Star and the medal "For Courage" - posthumously.

              Gazanfar Akperov - gun crew of the 1959 anti-tank artillery regiment of the 41st anti-tank artillery brigade of the 2nd tank army of the 1st Belorussian front, senior sergeant, Hero of the Soviet Union.

              Mastan Aliyev - veteran of the Great Patriotic War, assistant commander of a rifle platoon of the 487th rifle regiment of the 143rd rifle division of the 47th army of the 1st Belorussian Front, foreman, Hero of the Soviet Union - awarded posthumously.

              Shamsula Aliyev - deputy battalion commander of the 1135th Infantry Regiment of the 339th Infantry Division of the 56th Army of the North Caucasian Front, captain, Hero of the Soviet Union - posthumously.

              Museib Allakhverdiev - Soviet officer, battalion commander of the 119th Guards Rifle Regiment of the 40th Guards Rifle Division of the 4th Guards Army of the 3rd Ukrainian Front. Hero of the Soviet Union, Guard Major.

              Jamil Akhmedov - platoon commander of the 168th Guards Rifle Regiment of the 55th Guards Rifle Division of the 28th Army of the 1st Belorussian Front, Guard Lieutenant, Hero of the Soviet Union.

              Museib Bagirov - Hero of the Soviet Union, participant of the Great Patriotic War. Bagirov, armed with his sniper rifle, killed 28 Nazis.

              and many others.

              You know another Azerbaijan along the way.
              1. dmmyak40
                dmmyak40 19 October 2020 00: 26 New
                0
                Thanks for the information provided. Blessed memory of the defender of the Motherland !!!
                Share information about Afghanistan.
          2. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 17 October 2020 23: 41 New
            0
            Вообще то как раз эти "мирные" люди и начали. До этого накопив тех же дронов. Хотя днём и не следить за воздухом это уже на технику не спишешь, как и хреново откопанные и замаскированные позиции.
        2. Azis
          Azis 17 October 2020 18: 33 New
          +4
          It reminds of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, when the Fritzes with impunity shot and bombed from the air, hunted for small groups and individuals. Now it is clear.
        3. Evil543
          Evil543 17 October 2020 23: 40 New
          0
          At one time, they escaped from an incorrectly released floor package nur with su25. Well at least they ran down, but I think they broke the world record.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 October 2020 18: 34 New
        0
        Interestingly, Spikes generally use with them that there is not a single video.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 October 2020 18: 46 New
          +7
          Spikes have slightly different videos. If the missile is guided through an optical cable until the target is hit, then a high-quality image is transmitted to the very end, a fraction of a second before the explosion. You can distinguish the expressions on people's faces, like the mouth opens in horror. We had a video of the killing of militant commanders. Horror, of course ... wars of the 21st century recourse
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 18 October 2020 16: 31 New
        0
        For 52sec, the soldier flew 50m. Horror!
        It looks like the fighters hear or see the bomb at the last moment, trying to scatter.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 October 2020 17: 24 New
    +2
    I will say one thing - there is simply no disguise! The equipment is either not entrenched, which is most often visible, or they mask it so that it unmasks itself, because the bush branches on the body of the combat unit differ in color from the landscape of the location of the military equipment. As, by the way, the color of the equipment, gray against the background of the forest - the target is still the same! Not in one video I will not see a CORRECTLY DISCOVERED technique! There is no desire to dig manually - dig in with the help of excavators, cover up the traces of vehicles approaching the position ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 October 2020 18: 01 New
      21
      When will you (I mean the audience) begin to understand?
      NO disguise will help. Collect at least the entire engineering corps
      Russia with any engineering equipment and materials to Armenia
      for the construction of a disguise - will not help.
      Drones will see and destroy everything. Is that, to be buried meters deep into the earth.
      ----
      Until the sky is cleared of drones, disguise is a dead poultice.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 17 October 2020 18: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Drones will see and destroy everything. Is that, to be buried meters deep into the earth.

        Yeah and from the ground to carry out a combat mission. The grads in the video are clearly at the ready. We are not shown what happened before. There are a lot of videos where strikes take place in motion, at night.
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 17 October 2020 18: 11 New
        -2
        Warrior - it's just that both sides do not know how to mask the technique, this is the first, the second drone is a technique that can and should be destroyed! The lack of an air defense system in Karabakh is one of the main reasons for such catastrophic damage in military equipment! !!
      3. MTN
        MTN 17 October 2020 18: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Until the sky is cleared of drones, disguise is a dead poultice.

        Yes, drone eyes allow you to see a lot.
      4. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 01 New
        +2
        Do not talk nonsense. At least half of the drone's sensors will not penetrate a conventional camouflage net. This is not just a bunch of rags on a string. A dozen false positions under the nets and forward - shoot until it sucks with expensive ammunition. And as they wanted - they dig in the war for a week, and they fight for 10 minutes. So it was and will be. The most common hole dug in the ground during the Second World War saves you from a shell explosion a couple of meters away (the contusion will happen by itself). And a wet sheet shields infrared radiation, which is not very acidic, but with salt - and partially radio radiation. There was already a joke in Africa, when the French tried to find and destroy the tanks of the blacks. We tried for a long time - it didn't work out. So disguise is a necessary thing. Of course, no one cancels the other, the same air defense. But why such disorderly behavior of the military? Where do the Armenians have sky observation posts, for example? Some of the drones fly during the day and at the heights of destruction, even from the calibers of small arms. This is generally an axiom since the 1st world ...
        1. Reiter
          Reiter 18 October 2020 17: 01 New
          0
          While you dig you for a day and they cover you, it's too late to dig if the drones are constantly hanging over them. The sky must be cleaned, but not with anything.
      5. Dikson
        Dikson 18 October 2020 00: 15 New
        +3
        Warrior .. - it is useless to prove to people here .. They, even seeing the equipment, clearly dug in, and disguised from the ground observer, will still insist .. This is the same case when a tank is aimed at the thermal imager and shoots through the wall of the house, covering the firing point .. People think in yesterday's categories of waging war ... Inertia of thinking. Other systems are also remembered here about electronic warfare .. But the point is different. Aiming at a target by operating frequencies, suppressing these frequencies .. - today it is a trifling matter, a fraction of a second for modern computer technology .. A simple everyday example .. - Everyone knows a moment from the field of sound .. Feedback - a microphone and speakers that start to ring and self-excited .. If earlier, special devices with dozens of buttons and controls, it was necessary to manually find this frequency, determine the band and only then crush it, then the next frequency .. then another .. - and all this with your hands .. now in In any Chinese karaoke center for everyday use, one microcircuit instantly performs this function ..)) What prevents a kamikaze drone from finding the radio frequency on which, say, a commander from an NP with his unit communicates and flying neatly to this NP? Without any manual control. Just according to the program. The frequencies at which the same S-300 works .. the operating frequencies of the radar .., tank radio stations .. All this is calculated and entered into the memory of the drone. further - a matter of technology.
        1. Andrey sh
          Andrey sh 18 October 2020 18: 01 New
          0
          And there is no single carrier frequency. This is what gets in the way. You can find and track finding, but this technique will not fit on a drone. If the troops KNOW about aerial reconnaissance, why are they camouflaging ONLY from the ground enemy? There was no radar and air permanent cover in the 41st year. This is how they solved the problem of detecting an air enemy. Yes, roughly and at the last moment, but still. Putting at least a fighter with binoculars is not destiny? Is the thermal imager guided through the main WALL? Is there a video other than toys? It is difficult through a wooden or plasterboard partition, but it is possible ... Radar frequencies (combat) are classified and change.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 18 October 2020 19: 31 New
            0
            Well then, hang balloons with jammers over the positions? To arm airships with grapeshot and lasers? Uncover 80mm anti-aircraft artillery and shrapnel? to revive propeller fighter aircraft to combat UAVs? So such aviation will still be a loser .. - Don does not need oxygen equipment for flying at altitude, he does not get tired and can hang in the air longer ..
      6. malyvalv
        malyvalv 18 October 2020 04: 36 New
        +2
        There would be a video with the destruction of well-disguised equipment - it would be a different story. In the meantime, we can state that there are no Armenians in disguise. Masking is not a panacea, but a means to reduce losses.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 October 2020 17: 31 New
    -6
    Pashinyan sold Karabakh to eliminate Armenia’s dependence on Russia militarily, and then economically, and move towards integration with the EU and NATO. Nagorno-Karabakh was a burden for the pro-Western Pashinyan.

    The air defense of Armenia did not shoot down a single Bayraktar, the maximum that it hit was the An-2, which was launched specifically to open the air defense system of Karabakh. Wasps and Pines simply can't get hold of Azerbaijani UAVs.

    Pashinyan would like to defend Nagorno-Karabakh, Armor would have been bought and supplied to the army of Karabakh long ago.

    The price of one Armor is about 3 million dollars, which is not so overwhelming for Armenia.

    This war is just a shame for Armenians.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 October 2020 17: 40 New
      +2
      Carapace price? 11 to 14 million tanks
    2. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 18: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Pashinyan sold Karabakh to eliminate Armenia's military dependence on Russia

      Sold? No. He lose. He didn't even lose, but the people who chose him lost. And Margarita Simonyan warned them that without Russia you will lose. But in the end, even ordinary Armenians and Armenians began to swear at Margarita because of foreign countries. So it is not only he who is to blame, those who supported him are to blame. He's an ordinary journalist. I got into politics. He doesn't even know his story because his grandfather fought for the Nazis. So as the saying goes. Every nation deserves the ruler they deserve.

      You almost correctly said .... Pasha's goal was to remove the influence of Russia. Considering their biolaboratory and huge embassy staff. You will soon receive a second Ukraine in the person of Armenia.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 17 October 2020 17: 38 New
    13
    Just someone was preparing for war, and someone was not? In my opinion so.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 October 2020 17: 59 New
      +5
      So it is, they had to jump across the squares, but to run into the only real ally!
      And the Karabakh sorosets are not very good at it, they are too independent.
      Everything is predictable, and now they are only ready to make claims to those who now do not want to defend them very much.
      A simple question, why don't you want to? Although we don't need such conflicts at hand, and then angry little ones and proud ones.
      Those who didn’t jump, didn’t roll a barrel at each other, they helped and we will help, but the skakuas themselves, ourselves ...
      P.S. what is every nation worthy of? The kind of leadership they wanted ... got it, is Russia also to blame for this?
      1. FerrariStradale
        FerrariStradale 17 October 2020 18: 57 New
        0
        Russia has sold 200 T-90s to Azerbaijan? 100 multiple launch rocket systems? Sold. Russia is really Armenia's only ally, amen.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 17 October 2020 19: 26 New
          +5
          This is a serious application, but why?
          With the purchase of weapons, in the world, there are no problems at all! Who is smarter, he does not make claims, but prepares as it should! He himself cannot, so he turns to an ally for help.
          Only this is the catch, with multi-vector ones, only vectors can remain, and with the allies, the plug will come ...
          We are tired of multi-vector, saving them, the pleasure is below average ... and with gratitude, the guaranteed flight is obtained.
          It is necessary to act according to the mind, and not diverge into vectors ... all the seams will disperse.
    2. Vsepomni
      Vsepomni 17 October 2020 21: 09 New
      -4
      It was just that justice was done. The people are returning their ancestral lands. And the Armenians never had their homeland. They just don't stick to the ground
      1. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 07 New
        0
        So this is not the homeland of the Azeris if it comes to that ...
        1. Vsepomni
          Vsepomni 18 October 2020 11: 10 New
          +1
          Shusha was founded by the Azerbaijani Khan Panahali Khan in the 18th century. Stepanakert - Khankendi was the village where the Armenian servants of the Khan lived. So study history.
          1. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 18 October 2020 18: 02 New
            +1
            Originally Azeri lands and the 18th century? Yeah ...
            1. Vsepomni
              Vsepomni 18 October 2020 20: 36 New
              0
              And Armenia is our land. It was founded in the 16th century by Shah Ismail Safavi and named after Revangulu Khan. Hence Irevan. Under the terms of the Versailles treaty, our good politicians donated these lands to the Armenians. Learning history is not harmful
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 17 October 2020 17: 54 New
    -2
    https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469949033961114&id=100028380635231&set=gm.2671898756408964&source=48 сегодня ночью Елбрусом по спальному району Гянджи с территории Армении...то что видете малая часть ответки...думаю здесь никому не надо объяснять ,что это не град который по ошибке залетел.Они хотят нашего ответа по Армении но наши упорно не хотят подставлять Путина...
    1. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 18: 25 New
      -3
      Quote: Otshelnik
      tonight Elbrus in the sleeping area of ​​Ganja from the territory of Armenia

      For this they lost a couple of million dollars of technology and at least 150 lives. I believe that the Armenians should find the Ishakyan who gave the order to shoot at the civilian population. He is to blame for the death of Armenian soldiers and the loss of equipment.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 17 October 2020 18: 06 New
    +5
    And I also remembered.
    Есть же типа антиснайперские системы, давят оптику вроде как эффективно (телеканал "звезда" говорил, я видел). И ещё вроде американе нашим какие то претензии выставляли, что на наших кораблях такие ослеплялки появились.
    The drone footage shows that the dynamic range of their cameras is very poor, and the explosions are practically blind. Surely, if you shine such a camera into the lens with even a weak laser, such as a child's pointer, it will permanently lose the picture. In this case, there will be no question of any intelligence and any guidance.
    Is it really difficult to build a spherical suppression system on the basis of a ready-made sector-oriented anti-sniper system?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2020 18: 40 New
      +3
      Yes - from sticks and scraps of military equipment in the mountains and on the plains, the Armenian army will construct such emitters, for such systems it will also be necessary to create an accurate target holding system, radar and optical tracking systems - alas, the task of not a single research institute.
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 19 October 2020 07: 12 New
      0
      Have you often seen laser pointers with a range of 8-10 km? ))
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 19 October 2020 08: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Dikson
        Have you often seen laser pointers with a range of 8-10 km? ))

        What does pointer range mean?
        Its range depends solely on the sensitivity of the receiver, theoretically the range is infinite, you can see it through a powerful telescope and from the moon.
        And by the way, the power of the pointer is enough to blind the pilot on the plane, there were such cases, google it.
  • Siegfried
    Siegfried 17 October 2020 18: 10 New
    +2
    since the amount of explosives in such kamikaze drones is not so great, so maybe it makes sense to stupidly put the equipment under the roof? a low-power explosion over equipment should not cause serious damage. But it's even better to make the canopy more or less strong.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 17 October 2020 21: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Siegfried
      does it make sense to stupidly put equipment under the roof?

      Do you think the roof will help?
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 17 October 2020 22: 54 New
        +2
        There were no bars on the windows laughing
      2. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 09 New
        +1
        Put 200 pieces and 1 real one and let them shoot.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 01: 05 New
      +2
      23 килограмма боевая часть у "Harop" у минибомб MOM L которые турецкие ударные дроны пускают боевая часть кумулятивно фугасная 10 килограмм - простите но навесы и крыши от них не спасут.
  • Operator
    Operator 17 October 2020 18: 12 New
    +6
    Here some suggested to bury MBT, BMP, MLRS, etc. into the ground two meters. (like you need to disguise yourself - what kind of combat actions are) and create an air defense system around each single ground target, similar to the Khmeimim base bully
    1. Andrey sh
      Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 11 New
      +2
      Exactly. Bury and cover. And not one position, but a dozen false ones
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 October 2020 00: 21 New
        -1
        Burying and surrendering is a great alternative.
  • 9PA
    9PA 17 October 2020 18: 13 New
    +8
    Hmm .. and what the ripper is capable of .. here's your hats, here's your business according to ours. There is no developed civilian industry and no military one. And then again we will be offered to fight with our hats
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2020 20: 44 New
      -4
      Russia has all this in its hardware and is being tested, including kamikaze drones.
    2. Shiden
      Shiden 17 October 2020 21: 23 New
      +1
      Евгений а вы что только сейчас это поняли,здесь на сайте много таких которые только по фильмам да телеканалу "Звезда" про исключительность русского солдата и оружия верят.Вот вам кадры войны без пре крас и увы разсуждать и критиковать сидя за компом намного легче чем оказатся в реальном бою.Если вы внимательно смотрели ролики вы заметили что солдаты в последнюю минуту разбегаются и это не снаряд это управляймая бомба потому что свой снаряд ты не услышешь и не увидешь.
  • Alexey G
    Alexey G 17 October 2020 18: 14 New
    +1
    Yeah. You can set up ambushes at least ... Put in a prominent place a couple of decommissioned or wrecked tanks and several infantry dummies. You can take store mannequins and put them in uniforms.
    And somewhere close to disguise air defense or MANPADS ... What is called passive waiting. In addition, the propeller is noisy for bairakters. But that's not the point. At the moment of the attack, he will fly closer to the target and you can hit him with an arrow, a needle, or whatever the Armenians have.
    Risky, of course ... but as they say, the need for invention ...
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 17 October 2020 18: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexey G
      In addition, the propeller is noisy for bairakters. But that's not the point. At the moment of the attack, he will fly closer to the target and it will be possible to hit him with an arrow, a needle, or whatever the Armenians have.

      Так в том то и проблема, что имеющиеся у армян "стрелы , "иглы" и "осы" Байрактара просто по высоте не достанут. На кадрах первых дней боев это было прекрасно видно. Дроны кружили прямо над головами армянских зенитчиков, а те их не видели и не слышали.
      Even the ancient Armenian С300, and even then they are not seen.
      Помогут разве что "торы". А их мало. Да и они в одиночку не справятся, ПВО - это система, и не рабо ает при отсутствии системного подхода.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 October 2020 18: 59 New
        0
        One Thor at the Kamaz base has already been filled up.
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      3. Alexey G
        Alexey G 17 October 2020 19: 03 New
        +3
        The main principle! If am whether there is no systemic air defense, then act from an ambush !!!
        The wasp has a height of 5000 and if you shoot at the attacking drone from the mountain, you can get it!
        "В докладе, опубликованном Минобороны Сирии, приведены данные об использовании в конфликте зенитно-ракетных комплексов «Бук-М2Э» против турецких войск. И данные эти весьма впечатляют, хотя тут, конечно, нужно сделать поправку на то, что ЗРК использовались против не самых сложных целей.

        Итак, согласно опубликованной информации, всего комплексами «Бук-М2Э» было осуществлено 25 пусков ракет по турецким беспилотникам. В результате было сбито 20 целей, ещё 2 было повреждено, и лишь три пуска признаны неудачными (промах)."
        ttps: //yandex.ru/turbo/newizv.ru/s/news/tech/11-03-2020/bitva-za-idlib-kak-rossiyskie-buki-voevali-protiv-turetskih-bespilotnikov
        And the Armenians have a BUK !!!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 October 2020 20: 49 New
          +1
          There is probably a beech - one but they do not have normal operators, like for all other air defense systems. Therefore, Karabakh is doomed to return to Azerbaijan, and the Karabakh army and the Armed Forces of Armenia are doomed to defeat and destruction - today, with the help of a kamikaze drone, the first Tornado was destroyed.
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 17 October 2020 21: 56 New
            0
            "Карабахская армия"- эвфемизм- пора избавляться от него, Если бы существовала Карабахская армия погибших хоронили бы в Карабахе, а не в Армении...
            It's a pity. When the sense of self-preservation will prevail in the Armenian society.
            1. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 17 October 2020 22: 57 New
              0
              Yes, take your time, live until Monday, a lot of interesting things are still in front
      4. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 15 New
        0
        Yes, because they did not observe! The wasp should easily take it. The question is just not from all angles and most likely you need to give target designation in which square to look for the target. The S-300 of old modifications won't even see them - it was not developed against drones.
  • svoit
    svoit 17 October 2020 18: 22 New
    0
    Quote: edeligor
    I don't understand one thing - where are the Armenian electronic warfare equipment?

    Armenia probably does not produce them, and what others give, then in Armenia, and not in NKR, what they managed to bring to NKR was not in the air defense system and RTR and was already partially destroyed, the video was already
  • svoit
    svoit 17 October 2020 18: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: strelokmira
    hammer the air and put interference, here the drone is in active mode

    Probably it will be necessary to modify the electronic warfare a little, that it turned into something similar to an electron gun, focusing the EMP on the target, against the BP the KAZ should work well
    1. Reiter
      Reiter 18 October 2020 17: 07 New
      0
      Yes, the American police are already using electromagnetic guns to stop the cars of violators.
  • Antidote
    Antidote 17 October 2020 18: 37 New
    +1
    Yes .... Turks treat children like children, once again turning the great strategist.
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 17 October 2020 19: 12 New
      -2
      And who is your great strategist, if not a secret?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 17 October 2020 18: 47 New
    +3
    As you can see, Azerbaijan was preparing for the war of the 21st century.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 17 October 2020 19: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Alien From
      As you can see, Azerbaijan was preparing for the war of the 21st century.

      And apparently serious
      ... The 2019 Drone Data book reports that Azerbaijan has Aerostar, SkyStriker, Orbiter 1K, Orbiter 3, Harop, Heron TP, Hermes 450 and Hermes 900. It states that Aerostar, Orbiter 1K and Orbiter 3 have been licensed to produce by Azad systems. ...
      According to SUAS, in 2011, Azerbaijanis received an "Israeli UAV built under license." The message says that “Israeli UAVs Aerostar and Orbiter 2M are produced by the Baku company Azad
      True or not, one has to guess.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 17 October 2020 20: 38 New
        +5
        True or not, the result is there! It is worth considering! hi
  • Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 17 October 2020 19: 16 New
    -16
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    News from a parallel universe. As the Bayraktars flew during the operation in Idlib, they still fly. They destroyed a lot of ground equipment, including Armor. Yes, Bayraktars were also shot down, let's put + for this great achievement like the "SAR army"
    By the way, all this happened near the Khmeimim base and our radar with electronic warfare definitely participated in the work against Turkish UAVs

    Do you even imagine WHAT will remain of Turkish aviation if all systems of one Khmeimim work on it? This is not to mention the fleet, or our systems and aviation in the Kuban, the Caucasus and the Crimea? Please do not confuse wild blacks / Arabs / Armenians and us. It can end very sadly in the end for the confused one. We have a different level of equipment, training and attitude towards service. Let me remind you - in 5 years, NONE of the missiles fell on Khmeimim. And we tried a lot. And the UAV, and the MLRS, and homemade products, than just bullets. Including, lo and behold, and Turkish weapons. However, the result is zero. Either the opponents are more serious about us, let alone the Turks. The only reason why Turkey has not yet received the full is NATO. Unfortunately, according to our leaders, they are not worth the third world risk.
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 17 October 2020 21: 18 New
      +8
      Бред пишите. На Хмеймим падали ракеты. Повреждены СУ-24М и пара построек. И пострадавшие военные есть. Инфу - гуглите. С фото и видео. И про флот не туфтите. У Турции сильный флот. Сильнее Черноморского. И "не стоят риска 3 мировой" - это постоянное наше "получить по щеке, выразить сожаление и возмущение и подставить вторую щёку. Много раз."
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 17 October 2020 23: 57 New
        +7
        Nothing, nothing .. Masha will dance a gypsy with an exit, Lavrov will defiantly ask whether they will give compote for dinner, our president will be offended by the knife in the back .. - and that's all .. We, Russians, can't start a war .. - we must then all save, heal and build. And the war itself will come to us .. It was necessary to start with Tbilisi. No. Even earlier. From Kosovo. After Yugoslavia, everything went well - nothing but griefs, concerns and deflections and concessions. Now it’s just a natural result of all this peace-loving, useless policy ..
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 18 October 2020 00: 21 New
      +3
      Especially on Khmeimim, nothing fell on one New Year's holiday .. Yeah .. So already believing in fabulous television commercials is very unhealthy ..
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 19: 57 New
    +4
    I want to thank our Israeli friends for Everything. Peacetime everyone is good, everyone seems to be comrades or friends. But when problems and trouble arise, then it is clear who is who.

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  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 October 2020 20: 33 New
    +1
    The Armenians do not have aviation as a class. And with masking the problem. What is the point of sculpting bushes if you can see the ruts from the wheels? Azerbaijan is better prepared for this war. Most likely they will beat Karabakh back. And then they can hit the connection with Nakhichevan ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2020 20: 53 New
      0
      Most likely, they will simply take control of the road of life after all the equipment and personnel of the Armenian Armed Forces are soaked by drones.
    2. MTN
      MTN 17 October 2020 21: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      And then they can strike at the connection with Nakhichevan ..

      You mean Zangelan. That is, a return to the old borders of Azerbaijan from the early 20th century? In the documents of 1925, Zangelan is indicated as part of the Jebrail district. In 1929, by the decision of the Transcaucasian SFSR, the villages of Nuvedi, Togud, Ernezir, and in 1946 - 4 thousand hectares of forest land were taken from the Republic of Azerbaijan and donated to the Armenian Republic.

      As an Azerbaijani, I look forward to the day when the Zengilans will be able to return to their native lands. You can read the report of the State Statistics Committee. I hope after Karabakh another similar Pashinyan will come to power and we will return these lands too. https://www.virtualkarabakh.az/ru/post-item/27/108/zengilan.html
      On the map of 25, you can see that these lands belonged to Azerbaijanis. The card is not Azerbaijani. You can find a map of the 20s on the net. Russian. Make sure it's true.

      Mikhail Leontiev told the truth

      A people that exists solely thanks to our support and the fact that we exist in general has no right to blackmail us with betrayal. Has no right! If someone opens a small mouth and says something like that, he must understand this fact - they do not have this right! Physically, there would be no Armenian and no Armenia, if not for us. It would not exist in nature, it could not be! ”, Noted Leontyev.

      1. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 19 New
        0
        1925 is NOT THE BEGINNING of the 20th century. Give data until at least 1910. And then it turns out that the area is neither one nor the other ...
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 17 October 2020 20: 48 New
    0
    the Turks of the United States are simple and NATO is playing off the peoples so that they could not solve the stalemate peacefully + the terrorists from Syria divide and rule! oil and gas in Baku that Turks and Europe need! and separate the tank from Moscow!
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 October 2020 20: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Otshelnik
    https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469949033961114&id=100028380635231&set=gm.2671898756408964&source=48 сегодня ночью Елбрусом по спальному району Гянджи с территории Армении...то что видете малая часть ответки...думаю здесь никому не надо объяснять ,что это не град который по ошибке залетел.Они хотят нашего ответа по Армении но наши упорно не хотят подставлять Путина...



    They weren't targeting the peaceful people. But they have no specialists to correctly calculate the flight trajectory. and here's the result ...
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 21: 09 New
      0
      Ага,2 раза за этот месяц,и оба раза "Эльбрус"нашел мирный,многонаселенный город,и оба раза,когда народ спить,посреди ночи.
      1. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 21 New
        0
        А видео ударов азеровских БПЛА прямо таки дневные... Как и военные цели вроде мостов с легковушками на них. И те и те "хороши"....
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 18 October 2020 00: 29 New
          +1
          Наши " скадами" не бьют по городам,тем боле не бьют по городам не имеющих ничего общего с полем боя.
          1. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 47 New
            +1
            У этих ракет точность никакая. Какими есть, такими и бьют - вместо дронов ПВО закупать нужно было. Хотя подленько по ночам дронами не они начали атаки. Да и иранцы уже несколько ДЕСЯТКОВ боеприпасов на свой территории обнаружили, большей частью азербайжанских. Нефте и газопроводы, электростанции, плотины, заводы по производству дронов, боеприпасов и горючего недалеко от крупных городов куда как более заманчивая цель со всеми дальнейшими проблемами - будет не до покупок вооружения и размахивания им. И закрыть воздушные коридоры для ЛЮБЫХ полётов - извините, всех предупредили если что.Так что вполне "цивилизованно" воюют, хотя и бездарно... Вооружения не армяне закупали у всех, а разницы между Гитлером и Алиевым по большому счёту никакой - мерзавцы спровоцировшие конфликт своими действиями. Хотя и Пашинян от них не далеко уполз.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 17 October 2020 21: 12 New
    +7
    They shoot like partridges ..... This is what it means not to attach importance to the protection of airspace from UAVs and to conduct hostilities in the old fashioned way - preparing to defend only against manned jet aircraft and shock turntables. 20th century versus 21st century.
  • businessv
    businessv 17 October 2020 21: 21 New
    0
    Earlier it was reported about the destruction of the Armenian army by the Azerbaijani troops of the S-300 air defense system.
    Well, who has any doubts today about who exactly renewed this conflict ?!
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 21: 37 New
      +2
      Даже собака когда кость грызет,открывает рот по размеру костя.Если кость крупнее,чем раскрытый рот,то собака только облизывает кость.Карабах крупнее рта Армении,и они должны были этого понять.Азербайджан долго их уговаривал,чтоб без крови решить эту проблему,очень долго.Они посчитали уговоры за трусость и все эти годы занимались "восхвалением армянского духа".Мы им все эти годы говорили,что не хотим воевать,но не говорили,что не умеем.
      1. karima
        karima 17 October 2020 21: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        Они посчитали уговоры за трусость и все эти годы занимались "восхвалением армянского духа".Мы им все эти годы говорили,что не хотим воевать,но не говорили,что не умеем.
        Yes, well done Azerbaijanis, to be sure, to plan a war competently and conduct it no less competently is not something you can buy. At what at all levels: military, economic, domestic-political and international-diplomatic. The question is, do they have an equally competent plan to exit the war. And this is equally important.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 22: 00 New
          -1
          Yes, there is a plan. They are already hinting that they will stop the war literally tomorrow, with the conditions of Azerbaijan.
          1. karima
            karima 17 October 2020 22: 09 New
            -1
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            Yes, there is a plan. They are already hinting that they will stop the war literally tomorrow, with the conditions of Azerbaijan.
            Where can you find these conditions?
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 17 October 2020 22: 15 New
              -3
              Aliyev's interview, RBK, Channel 1, if in Turkish, then NTV, A Haber, Haber Turk ...
              In short, 5 + 2 districts, Karabakh has a status within the framework of Azerbaijan. That is, the civilian population of Armenians and Azerbaijanis of Karabakh will live together according to the laws of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, there will be no peace.
              1. kiborg
                kiborg 17 October 2020 23: 49 New
                -2
                Yes, you do not stop this war, you got into a tight spot. The Armenians will partisan, destroy your equipment from RPGs. You will lose tens of thousands of soldiers, but you will not get Karabakh. And if you continue to struggle, the Armenians will gouge the dam of the Mingachevir hydroelectric power station and half of Azerbaijan will be washed away.
                1. Yaik Cossack
                  Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 00: 06 New
                  -1
                  Nonsense. Guerrilla warfare is possible only with the support of the population. And the Armenian population is leaving and all will leave for their army. Otherwise it will be cut out.
                  In addition, the mountains there are not very forested. Aviation and drones will quickly reveal the partisans
                  1. kiborg
                    kiborg 18 October 2020 00: 15 New
                    +1
                    And the Armenian population is leaving and all will leave for their army. Otherwise it will be cut out.

                    This is why they will fight. For the Armenians of Karabakh, these lands are their Motherland. But why are Azerbaijani soldiers going to die? For the interests of the Turkish Sultan, whose shoes Aliyev is ready to lick ..
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 18 October 2020 00: 40 New
                      -3
                      "А вот за что едут умирать азербайджанские солдаты?" В самом карабахе и прилегающих районах,которые тоже оккупированы,в них под оккупацией армян находиться суммарно 828 населенных пунктов( армяно населенных отдельно надо подсчитать),в которых раньше жили только азербайджанцы,или же в некоторых им соседствовало мизерное количество армян.И мы не намерены их подарить армянам.Это наша земля.
                      1. kiborg
                        kiborg 18 October 2020 09: 25 New
                        0
                        Here is an extract from the book of the All-Russian Population Census. The ethnic composition of Karabakh over the past two hundred years is indicated here.

                        As you can see, it was mostly Armenians who lived there. Well, why is this your land ??
                      2. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 18 October 2020 21: 53 New
                        -1
                        Wiki is not a source, but a trash can. Find a normal source, don't be fooled.
                      3. kiborg
                        kiborg 19 October 2020 10: 32 New
                        -1
                        Well, is the table not correct ??
                        The wiki is a fairly reliable source, because any error is immediately corrected by the community ...
                2. Yaik Cossack
                  Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 01: 04 New
                  -1
                  Here you are, do not need this meaningless propaganda chatter and PPR. This is all fantasy. The inhabitants of Gadrut did not stay in the city, but left.
                  For decades, a propaganda machine has been working in Azerbaijan, where chauvinism and pan-Turkism has long gone off scale. Therefore, some of the soldiers are fighting for this idea, while for all the rest there is fear and terror. Therefore, they are at war and will not go anywhere. This is the eastern emirate, the Asian monarchy.
                  1. Yaik Cossack
                    Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 01: 08 New
                    -1
                    Here you can admire the posts of the Azerbaijani participants. "Our land" and that's it. At the same time, I am sure that they are writing from the Russian Federation. But it seems to them that they have the right to nationalism, while the Russians should not. They will probably even be very surprised if they hear this, but already in their own address))))
          2. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 23 New
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            To expel everyone and annex Russia back - then there will be peace there. It is enough to look at Crimea and Donbass.
          3. karima
            karima 20 October 2020 20: 24 New
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            Quote: Oquzyurd
            Aliyev's interview, RBK, Channel 1, if in Turkish, then NTV, A Haber, Haber Turk ...
            In short, 5 + 2 districts, Karabakh has a status within the framework of Azerbaijan. That is, the civilian population of Armenians and Azerbaijanis of Karabakh will live together according to the laws of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, there will be no peace.
            Eh no dear, this is not a plan. Sorry for the late reply. This is a surrender offer. Which is quite legitimate. But this is not a plan to end the war.
            Example: Are there lists of Azerbaijanis evicted by Armenians? And, to the best of their ability, Armenians (peaceful) who lost their homes?
            What compensation will be required to bring people home?
            Previously, he wrote that Azerbaijan SHOULD organize a group of lawyers, notaries and historians to draw up this plan.
  • businessv
    businessv 18 October 2020 19: 16 New
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    Quote: Oquzyurd
    .Азербайджан долго их уговаривал,чтоб без крови решить эту проблему,очень долго.Они посчитали уговоры за трусость и все эти годы занимались "восхвалением армянского духа".Мы им все эти годы говорили,что не хотим воевать,но не говорили,что не умеем.
    Please explain to me this. You are fighting for your territories, where your citizens are not. What do you want to do with them next? So you fought them off, cleaned them out, all the Armenians left there, and you killed those who remained, what next? There is no one there, only the land on which no one lives and there is no certainty that anyone will settle there. What is it for you? Amuse your pride by proving how cool you are? Just look at the situation from the outside and understand our attitude towards it! hi
  • Dikson
    Dikson 17 October 2020 21: 56 New
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    So many copies were broken here .. both specialists and sofa strategists ..)) gentlemen officers, sergeants and foremen .. be patient a little .. - by the New Year you will find out how much our camouflage is better than the Armenian one, and how Russian gouging will cope with Turkish and Israeli UAV in the sky of Donbass .. all this is sad.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      Yaik Cossack 17 October 2020 22: 21 New
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      It is a pity that the ingenious sofa strategists and the local jingoistic patriots will not experience this for themselves))) Armenian generals were probably also sure in recent years that they didn’t care
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 October 2020 22: 05 New
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    Disguise doesn't help


    no camouflage will help if you bomb from above flying over objects at a height of several meters.
    Azerbaijan is a wealthy country and can afford to spend money on expensive combat drones.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 October 2020 23: 46 New
      +1
      Poor Ukraine will be helped by rich Turkey, non-poor Great Britain, Israel, which is modestly silent according to the national tradition about its income, and America, which is rotting from the abundance of dollars. or will we fight back with minuses?
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 October 2020 07: 27 New
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        Quote: Dikson
        more arguments?


        arguments in response to what? You write as if Azerbaijan did not buy drones from Turkey and Israel at the market price and someone donated them. As for Ukraine, it has no money, unlike Azerbaijan, to buy modern weapons.
        "Загнивающая от изобилия долларов" США потому и загнивает оттого что никому бесплатно ничего не раздает,тем более современное оружие.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 22: 17 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    Interestingly, Spikes generally use with them that there is not a single video.

    They apply, there are many videos, watch on the channel of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.
    Spikes are beyond praise for both wars of the last, suffice it to say that only two crews of the record holder, for a couple, destroyed only 23 tanks of the Armenian Armed Forces, plus a BMP-1 / -2 trailer and motorcycle leagues. In one case, this is an ATGM on an Israeli 4x4 armored vehicle. Moreover, for these particular calculations, the effectiveness of this Israeli ATGM is 1,0. In general, due to the high cost, it would be worth combining
    Наличие системы управления при реализованном принципе "выстрелил-забыл", при подготовленном расчете не оставило бы шансов и более современному танку с системами противодействия, а армянские Т-72 многие не имеют даже динамической защиты, тоесть шансов вообще НОЛЬ.

    Azerbaijan is a small country with large neighbors, therefore it has a large number of ATGMs, of different types and countries of origin. In general, after the end of hostilities, it will be interesting to compare the statistics on the ATGM Spike, Kornet, Skif, if the Azerbaijani Armed Forces used all three.
    1. Andrey sh
      Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 25 New
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      Small, but utterly militarized, since it has a LOT of types of weapons ...
    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 October 2020 07: 33 New
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      Quote: VictorM
      Azerbaijan is a small country with large neighbors, therefore it has a large number of ATGMs, of different types and countries of origin.


      with three of which (Iran, Turkey, Russia) in case of war, how many ATGMs do not buy all one during the day, you will throw out the white flag, and Georgia and Armenia combined by population is less than one Azerbaijan.
  • mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 17 October 2020 22: 49 New
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    It's a shame to watch. Like children. What could the Russian military counter to such an attack? A couple of electronic warfare systems?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 17 October 2020 23: 48 New
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      Now they will sing you a song about the almighty Khibiny, accelerating American destroyers to green diarrhea ...
    2. kiborg
      kiborg 17 October 2020 23: 51 New
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      Iskander and Caliber strike against enemy infrastructure.
    3. Andrey sh
      Andrey sh 18 October 2020 00: 29 New
      +1
      From banal Shilok with Shells to turntables and tactical complexes. In addition to electronic warfare, of course. But why the same Armenians did not make false positions and did not organize the simplest air defense - well, such warriors. Yes, and sabotage groups that those of others are not involved at all.
      1. Yaik Cossack
        Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 01: 11 New
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        Oh, another specialist in the organization of air defense. You would have taught them, I believe with pleasure, and dug a million running meters of false trenches. And naive Turks would get lost in them. Great plan!
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 01: 12 New
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      Integrated and well-coordinated air defense as well as fighter aircraft - I think that even the Ka 52 could cope with kamikaze drones, he could have a radar station and there is a 30 millimeter gun.
      1. Yaik Cossack
        Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 01: 22 New
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        And a submarine with holy Calibers to Lake Sevan! And the Ka-52 will still be looking for drones on the entire front, around the clock, whack-whack, probably 200 pieces of them are needed for the entire length. At the same time, in the settings, we will select the option - "invulnerability from Azeri air defense" Great idea, great idea. And a couple of divisions of rocket-carrying aviation would not hurt.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 October 2020 01: 33 New
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          I'm talking about Russia and not about Armenia, we have the Gamma radar, Podlet and others to detect trifles, and they all work in complex with all ground and air defense systems that have on board the radar - ask how many drones were shot down on the approach to Khmeimim. The Armenians have nothing like this, and the operators of the air defense systems of the brakes are still the same.
          1. Yaik Cossack
            Yaik Cossack 18 October 2020 11: 40 New
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            Turkish and Israeli drones have never attacked Khmeimim. Therefore, your words are not true.
            Home-made drones of barmaleevs made from household drones bought on Ali-express were launched on Khmeimim. Even they were able to disable 4 aircraft. Such, but shoot down and jam electronic warfare. The technical level of these drones is the aircraft modeling circle of the House of Pioneers.
            So while there is nothing to be proud of, alas.
    5. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 October 2020 07: 37 New
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      Quote: mihai_md2003
      And what could the Russian military counter to such an attack?


      пишем вопрос на бумаге,запечатываем в конверт и отправляем по адресу "Сирия,база Хмеймим".
  • Victorm
    Victorm 17 October 2020 23: 09 New
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    Quote: Semenov Kolka
    Is there a video confirmation?

    Yes, only two, no third. One in motion on the march, one in static. Here these videos are posted.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR32uhcyI1A&t=2s
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 00: 34 New
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    Quote: Andrey sh
    Small, but utterly militarized, since it has a LOT of types of weapons ...

    Why militarized, look at the numbers and remember the state of the units - anti-tank weapons back to back.
    Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles are needed. Remember the staff and tactics of anti-tank units, up to a separate battalion of a number of small European countries during the Cold War - something similar is needed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2020 01: 15 New
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      So Azerbaijan is buying Spike ATGM from Israel now it has more than 200 units and several thousand missiles, including those with a range of 25 kilometers - so what and Azerbaijan is definitely not afraid of tanks.
    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 October 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: VictorM
      Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, we need more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles


      Do you seriously think that even if Azerbaijan forces its entire territory with weapons, it has chances even in a war with Iran? I am generally silent about modern Russia, because even in essence, the Soviet-style army smeared Georgia in 2008 on old half-work rubbish.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 18 October 2020 01: 39 New
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    Quote: Oquzyurd
    During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

    wassat
    It's hard to argue with a believer, and it's not necessary, well, a believer wants to believe in Superman, who, pulling up his red panties, pulled on tights, fights for world peace, well, don't hey believe.
    Although the crafts of the Turkish-Azerbaijani agitprop advertising unmanned vehicles are far from marvel, they are more likely a relative of asylum products with plasticine chupacabra.
    Reminiscent of an F-15 advertisement:
    https://topwar.ru/23890-nepobedimyy-f-15-kak-siriycy-podrezali-orlam-krylya.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5702723908

    вспомнилось заявление президента алиева о "взятии Гадрута", военкор Семён Пегов опроверг это заявление алиева своим репортажем из Гадрута, в ответ, жутко обидевшись на военкора Пегова в азербайджане завели уголовное дело. lol
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 02: 26 New
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    Quote: Gunter
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

    wassat
    It's hard to argue with a believer, and it's not necessary, well, a believer wants to believe in Superman, who, pulling up his red panties, pulled on tights, fights for world peace, well, don't hey believe.
    Although the crafts of the Turkish-Azerbaijani agitprop advertising unmanned vehicles are far from marvel, they are more likely a relative of asylum products with plasticine chupacabra.
    Reminiscent of an F-15 advertisement:
    https://topwar.ru/23890-nepobedimyy-f-15-kak-siriycy-podrezali-orlam-krylya.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5702723908

    вспомнилось заявление президента алиева о "взятии Гадрута", военкор Семён Пегов опроверг это заявление алиева своим репортажем из Гадрута, в ответ, жутко обидевшись на военкора Пегова в азербайджане завели уголовное дело. lol

    War correspondent is a profession, not a sexual orientation like Pegov's. Well at least this hero of our time was not compared with Ernest.
  • Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 18 October 2020 06: 36 New
    +3
    Маскировка должна маскировать технику, а не кричать : "смотрите, тут, в чистом поле, вырос кустик, величиной как раз с танк!". Мне одному показалось, что она, маскировка, была на уровне " Я - тучка, тучка, тучка, я вовсе не медведь"?...
  • Victorm
    Victorm 18 October 2020 12: 24 New
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    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: VictorM
    Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, we need more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles


    Do you seriously think that even if Azerbaijan forces its entire territory with weapons, it has chances even in a war with Iran?
    With Iran, the chances are generally sea, as its aggression will provoke a riot in South Azerbaijan.
    It is possible to stop tanks and armored vehicles in our case and on our terrain. And the rest is easier to handle.

    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: VictorM
    Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, we need more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles
    I am generally silent about modern Russia, because even in essence, the Soviet-style army smeared Georgia in 2008 on old half-work rubbish.
    You compared it is known that with a finger, about 08.08.08., It is largely the merit of the Russian special services, and not the army, which even received everything on a silver platter and did not shine in general. Only the actions of individual commanders and military personnel deserve admiration.

    Угроза больших потерь, понятно не угроза "неприемлемого ущерба", но достаточный сдерживающий фактор.
    It would not occur to you to tell the Finns, they say, why does Finland need an army if one of the probable opponents is the Russian Federation?
    The Finns will plunge you into ... history and as I understand everything on this, the conversation will be over.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 18 October 2020 14: 25 New
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    "Маскировка" абсолютно безграмотная. Она не скрывает технбку, а выделяет её на фоне местности.
  • bukhach
    bukhach 18 October 2020 18: 02 New
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    Quote: Buhach
    And who is your great strategist, if not a secret?

    For what, daddies !? laughing I just wanted to find out about the great strategist, and obscurantists threw minuses for their craving for knowledge! They're just animals, not people! request
  • Bio Robot_2
    Bio Robot_2 18 October 2020 19: 06 New
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    K (a) ra (ba) x Pashinyan
  • Gelos
    Gelos 18 October 2020 22: 08 New
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    Kindergarten ... Just like in a shooting gallery. Where is the electronic warfare, where (to hell with it!) - Shell? Is everything sold privately? ...
  • Denis Minakov
    Denis Minakov 19 October 2020 00: 22 New
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    The trenches are a thing of the past ... I watched the plot on Anna News, where the background is shooting from drones. The guys jump into the trench, and the ammunition immediately flies there. I feel now, under the impression of this conflict, all small countries will begin to purchase these drones. All conflicts will unfreeze
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  • Old Orc
    Old Orc 19 October 2020 15: 13 New