Camouflage does not help: Azerbaijan showed the destruction of MLRS and other military equipment of the enemy

The network discusses publications of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, which demonstrate the destruction of enemy equipment. The destruction of warehouses of fuels and lubricants by air strikes is demonstrated.

The footage presented by the Azerbaijani military department shows that after the airstrike, a fire started on the territory of the building complex.

You can also see the damage that is caused by an air strike.

Another video demonstrates the destruction of armored vehicles and multiple launch rocket systems of the Armenian forces in the conflict zone in Nagorno-Karabakh. Direct hits to the MLRS are visible. It is also clearly visible that the strikes were applied to the technique, which was disguised by the Armenian side. Earlier, the troops of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic deployed equipment, including Tanks, without any camouflage, in fact in an open area. But, as this video shows, camouflage does not help, including a specific camouflage under the branches of separately growing bushes.

In this video, you can also see the detonation of ammunition of military equipment, into which shells (missiles) of Azerbaijani troops fall.

Earlier it was reported about the destruction of the Armenian army by the Azerbaijani troops of the S-300 air defense system. Attention is drawn to the fact that the complex was in a "combat state". The Armenian side did not comment on these statements.

Comments

[OgnennyiKotik]

It is also clearly visible that the strikes were applied to the equipment, which was disguised by the Armenian side.

Helped?

[Krasnodar]

These bushes grow well, very apart from the rest. In Russian they say - WITHOUT PALEV.

[venik]

Quote: Krasnodar

These bushes grow well, very apart from the rest. In Russian they say - WITHOUT PALEV.

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Well, in addition, IR cameras could be used, and there you can’t disguise yourself with "bushes" alone - if the equipment is hot, it will still "glow"!

[Krasnodar]

Yes, but besides that there is a rut
Fair? This is a massacre

[Shurik70]

Of all the frames, only these "bushes" were camouflaged.
Only some pale ones. They stand separately, and the tracks approach them.
And the rest are under the open sky.
If they were able to open the caponier, was it really impossible to hang a net over it?
The summer of 1941 is straight, the domination of the Nazis in the sky. After all, the Turks were "kind of neutral" there, but they were not going to join Hitler at the end of 1942. But, as soon as the Germans began to lose, they immediately joined the anti-Hitler coalition.

[military_cat]

A couple of days ago, rocket launchers were destroyed on the territory of Armenia. This is already an attack on the territory of a CSTO member state.

[Shurik70]

Quote: military_cat

A couple of days ago, rocket launchers were destroyed on the territory of Armenia. This is already an attack on the territory of a CSTO member state.

Do not confuse offense and defense.

[Graz]

and yet Russia must launch a missile strike on the infrastructure of Azerbaijan, it is in our interests to prevent the expansion of Turkey to the Caucasus in the bud only in this way, under the threat of the complete impoverishment of Azerbaijanis

[Old Kaa]

Judging by the number of minuses, it is not in Russia's interests to prevent Turkey's expansion to the Caucasus and further to Central Asia and Siberia.

[nora]

certainly not in the interest

[Krasnodar]

Yes, but there was a video of their combat deployment.

[military_cat]

In the definition of aggression according to UN Resolution 3314, the bombing or shelling of territory is included, but preparation for anything is not included.

[Krasnodar]

The question is not in the definitions of the UN, but in the rules of the CSTO. They, of course, can also be interpreted in different ways, but here everything depends on Russia's desire.
Today, according to the Russian World website, 17% of schoolchildren in Azerbaijan study in Russian classes.
URL:
https://russkiymir.ru/news/277808/

A respectful attitude towards the Russian language is preserved in Azerbaijan, and most of the population of Azerbaijan speaks it. The interest of young people in its study remains.

Let us remind you that earlier Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted the popularity of Russian-language education in Azerbaijan.

[the Saint]

Expert of the Institute for Strategic Studies Eurasia Tatiana Borzova.
“We have researched sociological data over the past 12 years. The situation in Armenia impressed us the most. It ranks first in terms of the ratio of Russian-speaking people who left the country to the total number of emigrants - 64%, followed by Kazakhstan - 54%, followed by Moldova and Transnistria - 50%, ”she said. As it turned out, it is in Armenia that the smallest number of Russians and Russian-speaking population live - this country is practically mono-ethnic. The research formula shows a very alarming situation.

“The existence of foreign language schools in Azerbaijan is not allowed at all. An attempt to allow at least primary education not in Armenian caused an explosion of discontent in Armenia "
It becomes clear that the reason for the outflow of the Russian population is due not only to the economic crisis and ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijan, but also because of the anti-Russian policy of the ruling elite, as well as Russophobic sentiments among ordinary citizens of Armenia.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

17% of schoolchildren in Azerbaijan study in Russian classes.

Uh-huh - they prepare martyrs for the Turks ... Hurray!

[Krasnodar]

Rather, wholesalers for trade with Russia.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

Rather, wholesalers for trade with Russia.

One does not interfere with the other - yesterday wholesalers - tomorrow martyrs ...

[Krasnodar]

The day after tomorrow - workers of the socialist trade, free from effendi, after the day after tomorrow - the Kemalists. So what are these allusions to their religion for?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

The day after tomorrow - workers of the socialist trade, free from effendi, after the day after tomorrow - the Kemalists. So what are these allusions to their religion for?

Chechnya, Syria, Libya ... Are there so few HINTS for you that your brain is numb ?!

[Krasnodar]

Iran, the Palestinians - are friends, for example, with the Armenians. Though religions are different. Therefore, it is not a matter of religion.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

Iran, the Palestinians - are friends, for example, with the Armenians. Though religions are different. Therefore, it is not a matter of religion.

That is precisely the point. The pro-Turkish Azeroths are the work of Turkey, the Syrian militants are the work of Turkey, the mercenaries are the work of Turkey, the Pakistanis are the work of Pakistan. And then all this trash will fall on our Caucasus ... You are just enchanting

[Krasnodar]

Hmm ... in 1982, Asal's Armenian organization fought on the side of the Palestinians against the IDF in Beirut. And what?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

in 1982 year

don't compare 82 and 20.

[Misha Honest]

In my humble opinion, you cannot find it more stupid for this person ...

[Krasnodar]

It’s naive to find you

[Misha Honest]

Stalemate

[Oquzyurd]

He is not naive, rather, he suffered the coronavirus, which has left its mark on some organs of the perception of the world. Can't it be seen that he cannot distinguish carrots from beets?

[Krasnodar]

Ta ... don't mind

[Old Kaa]

Probably because the IDF terrorized the local population?

[Krasnodar]

Probably because in the Civil War in Lebanon, they sided with the Muslims and Syrians. Israel is on the side of Lebanese Christians (based on their interests, of course). I mean, there is no need to put pressure on the religious factor, in the case of Armenians it is not appropriate.

[vadim dok]

There are about 100 Armenians living in Turkey, no one oppresses them, there is a party in parliament, many Armenian schools, temples, churches! There are more than 000 OPERATING Orthodox churches and churches in Azerbaijan, there is an Orthodox University, in all universities and schools there is a Russian sector. And in Armenia there is nothing of the above, and there are NO Russians (except for soldiers)!

[Old tanker]

You are absolutely right! Both the people of Azerbaijan and the government are much closer to Russia than Armenia and treat the Russians living there well. His relatives (Russians) in Baku and classmates are Azerbaijanis.

[Old Kaa]

Well, since it is much closer, they will soon open a Russian base, enter the CSTO, expel the troops of the NATO country and the mujahideen from their country, and the soros will do the same in reverse order. So what?
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[Yuriy6116]

What is Armenia? Armenians are all in Moscow, Ukrainians are in Canada, but here, so, in checkers, Chapaev is played.

[Sanichsan]

and who is cooked in Armenia? It's like they have memorials to the Nazis in the central squares, don't they?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

Rather, wholesalers for trade with Russia.

In any case, it's time to end Azeroth before the martyrs creep out.

[Krasnodar]

Well, if you want to go to the front line in Ar + Tsakh - go ahead!

[Misha Honest]

And you - just - passionate .. With what I congratulate you

[Krasnodar]

I think that the Armenians will show their military spirit and torpedo all the pan-Turkist neo-Ottoman inclinations of the criminal clique of novoyanissaries!

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Krasnodar

I think that the Armenians will show their military spirit and torpedo all the pan-Turkist neo-Ottoman inclinations of the criminal clique of novoyanissaries!

It's even undeniable. ) Otherwise, why the hell has all this pro-Turkish baida been stalling for 3 weeks in small Karabakh?

[Krasnodar]

I agree! All hope is for the defenders of Arts-akh, the spearhead of the Christian world in the matter of protection against the Turkish threat from the Transcaucasus!

[vadim dok]

It is better for the Russian Federation to take care of the Armenian separatism, the focus is maturing in the Krasnodar Territory, no matter how there is a second "Nagorno-Karabakh"

[Krasnodar]

I advise you to watch a series about the life of one of the greatest theoretical physicists of our time - Sheldon Cooper. You will find at least one thing in common with him. Guselnite "The Big Bang Theory TV Series". ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

christian spear point

exactly Christian? not Soros?

[vadim dok]

Turkey and Azerbaijan are secular states, there has never been ANY case of an Azeri or Turk shahid! And the Armenians blew up the metro in Moscow!

[Krasnodar]

Do you know what a shahid is?

[Andrey sh]

Metro in Moscow was blown up by Armenian martyrs? Who, then, was shot for this? And from the same series, it was Azerbaijanis who poisoned several dozen people with hawthorn based on methyl alcohol ...

[Egor53]

Why on earth is this "attack on Armenia"? Shelling of the territory of Azerbaijan is taking place from the Armenian territory. There is nothing to make an innocent lamb out of Armenia. The Armenians got into the war - so let them answer themselves. And about the CSTO in their kitchens tryndyat.

[Yuriy6116]

So what? Want a big war?

[Gelos]

And that means ... So where are these ... "members" - allies?

[Tochilka]

yes, the shots are creepy. looked and goosebumps. It just happened, BAM! And the pieces are one in all directions.

[Grits]

Quote: Tochilka

yes, the shots are creepy. looked and goosebumps. It just happened, BAM! And the pieces are one in all directions.

And don't the Armenians know that when struck from a drone, debris will fly along with human intestines? I think they imagined how it happens. Didn't the Armenians know that Baku was buying modern reconnaissance means and attack UAVs? They knew it was no secret to anyone. Didn't they know for whom all this was being prepared? not only assumed, but also were sure that all this would eventually fly their heads.
And now the main question is - if everyone knew perfectly well, then what .... !!! .... the devil, what were they waiting for and scratching their asses, not preparing to repel such a blow?

[sextant777]

They were preparing for the Maidans, the Russians interfered with them. Let now sip their own with the Russophobic leadership.

[Andylw]

Baku buys modern reconnaissance means and attack UAVs?

Does Russia buy modern reconnaissance assets and attack UAVs?

what .... !!! .... damn it, they were waiting for something and scratching their asses, not preparing to repel such a blow?

Do you want to ask the Russian Defense Ministry this question ???

[Grits]

Quote: AndyLW

Do you want to ask the Russian Defense Ministry this question ???

Want. This also applies to us. True, we are still being saved by a less decent air defense system. But, as the experience of using Turkish and Israeli UAVs has shown, air defense is not a panacea at all and does not always save.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Gritsa

Didn't the Armenians know that Baku was buying modern reconnaissance means and attack UAVs? They knew it was no secret to anyone.

well, how "they didn't know", of course everyone knew about it because no one was hiding it, but Pashinyan was busy drinking freshly mined wealth so to speak, there were more important things to do

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: venik

Well, in addition, IR cameras could be used, and there you can’t disguise yourself with "bushes" alone - if the equipment is hot, it will still "glow"!

It's not just about IR cameras! There are full-color high-resolution camcorders that distinguish dozens of shades of colors! Such a video camera easily distinguishes a fresh natural bush from cut branches with withered leaves ... armor in green paint among the crowns of green trees ...! And all in shades of green .... gray ..... gray-brown-crimson!

[Andrey sh]

Through one place disguised - he will distinguish. And normally - nothing.

[sextant777]

With the modern level of photo and video electronics, it is useless to mask something in the field with improvised means. You can even distinguish trench underground passages.
Scientists need to smash their heads over new technologies for sheltering military equipment.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: sektant777

Scientists need to smash their heads over new technologies for sheltering military equipment.

Such technologies already exist ... but they are characterized by high costs and the need to establish high-tech production!

[Gelos]

Put jamming stations! Delov ... More screeching.

[Datarem]

Quote: sektant777

With the modern level of photo and video electronics, it is useless to mask something in the field with improvised means. You can even distinguish trench underground passages.
Scientists need to smash their heads over new technologies for sheltering military equipment.

How to hide equipment in the bare steppe ?? By creating a large number of decoys. For example, put a technique under tents, with the creation of 5-10 false ones for each one. For technology:
from national

from modern

for an individual shooter, machine gunner, ATGM operator

with the creation of 20-30 false.

All this should be placed in the base of a kilometer by a kilometer or more, plus artillery and missile defense systems in distant base stations. It is better to remove the RZSO from trucks for easier camouflage.

[Old tanker]

A platoon stronghold with such a density will be broken through twice. Learn tactics! Perform calculations on the density of fire in the line of fire of such a platoon. And already in this will become clear. It is even possible not to touch upon the organization of fire interaction between squads and fire weapons, the overlap of strips and sectors of fire, the organization of fire cover when making a maneuver, etc. etc.
Although, what am I talking about with you? In words, to remove the RZSO from the trucks says it all

[Andrey sh]

And where did you get the idea that there will be only one platoon? And what should be the density of fire to suppress everything for a kilometer in DEPTH, and even hidden in trenches?

[Datarem]

Quote: Old Tankman

In words, to remove the RZSO from the trucks says it all

And what are the claims to her, justify ??

[Datarem]

Quote: Old Tankman

Perform calculations on the density of fire in the line of fire of such a platoon.

Apparently the lieutenant is sitting here, and he cannot think more by the yardstick of one platoon

Habit apparently

[Datarem]

Quote: Old Tankman

It is even possible not to touch upon the organization of fire interaction between squads and fire weapons, the overlap of strips and sectors of fire, the organization of fire cover when making a maneuver, etc. etc.

Yes, apparently no one has ever defended more than a platoon

[Nikolaevich I]

I think it's a good idea! It is worth working on ... although this has already been applied and, perhaps, is being applied! What? Dig trenches for the equipment ... drive it to the bottom ... on top of the flooring, awnings! And next to real trenches ... false "cracks", but covered with the same flooring, awnings ...! Moreover, under the "real" awnings, you can put shielding aluminum foil; and under the "false" awnings - an electric heating film for "warm floors" ...!

[Datarem]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

and under the "false" awnings - an electric heating film for "warm floors" ...!

Or a heat gun. And to simulate shots, a pneumatic cannon. Close the trenches from above with boards. And to simulate trenches, you can simply put boards on the ground. Well, and unexpectedly attack the UAV, over there, Armenia's su 30 are idle.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I think it's a good idea! It is worth working on ... although this has already been applied and, perhaps, is being applied! What? Dig trenches for the equipment ... drive it to the bottom ... on top of the flooring, awnings! And next to real trenches ... false "cracks", but covered with the same flooring, awnings ...!

not an option. how many years will you dig? roughly speaking today we arrived at the position, tomorrow you will be attacked. when will you dig false positions and will you have time to prepare at least the main ones. Well, let's add that all this is not for nothing. can better spend these resources on creating capable air defense and preparing calculations?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: SanichSan

How many years will you dig?

Well, why are you so primitive about the proposal? For "real" digging it is necessary to dig real trenches, as I said! They are being dug anyway ... in Karabakh, and in the Donbas, and in Syria, and at the exercises of the Russian Armed Forces ... It is not necessary to dig "really" false "trenches" !! Enough imitation of trenches! The difference in the expenditure of "labor resources" is orders of magnitude! To make it difficult to recognize real and false positions, they are covered with the same, for example, awnings! There can only be "nuances"! By and large, tents are designed to level the position with the landscape! 1. You can dig a trench in a full profile for the tank ... cover it with a log deck or a concrete slab and sprinkle it with earth ... 2. Dig a pit on a bayonet around the perimeter of the trench, put slate and sprinkle it with earth ... The difference in the arrangement of the trench and imitation of the trench (time, materials, human labor ....) is on order! PS And about the device of trenches with the help of a cumulative-high-explosive charge and a "launching" machine, are you in "courses"?

[Sanichsan]

well, all this is relevant if the sky is completely pumped, like the Armenians
and you need to be able to do all this! we need training and experience, and judging by the photo, this is not about Armenians.

[Andrey sh]

And you ask scientists what is possible and what is not. Sensors are tricked in a bunch of ways ...

[Sanichsan]

forgot to add "under certain conditions with some probability".

[malyvalv]

This is if you know in advance about where it is. Finding a well-camouflaged object with an area of ​​20 meters on a plot of 10 square meters is still a challenge.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

It's not just about IR cameras! There are full-color high-resolution camcorders that distinguish dozens of shades of colors!

what for? forgive me, but all that is on the footage is the same reliable camouflage as a forest camouflage in the subway all this would have been revealed even by the Germans in 1940 looking at black and white aerial photographs.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: SanichSan

What for?

Well, I don't associate full-color video cameras with Karabakh! “Someone” referred to IR cameras as a “common phenomenon” ... I mentioned full color video cameras as a “common phenomenon”! Such video cameras began to be developed by the Americans at the end of their "Vietnam" war! They even had a project for a small-caliber anti-tank bomb with a television seeker, which should find green (painted) tanks among the green foliage of the jungle by the difference in the color spectrum ... By the way, the Americans are credited with using IR equipment to detect camouflaged tank units in the jungle .. They even found thermal "traces" of "yesterday's bivouacs" of tank subunits ... from which they received information about the movement of enemy tanks from point A to point B ...

[Sanichsan]

well, yes. can! but in the specific case is clearly redundant

[TermNachTer]

And if the engine did not start for a day? Will it be noticeable? Is it difficult to build a covered caponier, one roll of logs? I drove out, fired a volley - backed up. You can pour water around

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

And if the engine did not start for a day? Will it be noticeable?

a hefty bush with a track that appeared in the middle of a field or an asphalt industrial area?
thus intelligence is carried out using a variety of means. to deceive everything is extremely problematic. it is hoped that the enemy does not have some capabilities, but this is not a fact.

Quote: TermNachTER

I drove out, fired a volley - backed up. You can pour water around

can. but for this you need to have a lot of combat experience and be able to do it, and all this does not seem to be the strong point of the Armenian reservists

[TermNachTer]

I'm not talking about a bush at all, but about a normal disguise. They knew how to deal with the track left after the passage of technology even during the Second World War. Frankly, I am very skeptical about all these videos from "Baku beobakhter"))) Armenians may not be so hot as fighters, but also not + knowledge of the area.

[TermNachTer]

PS editor cleaned up - in general, Armenians are not stupid))))

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

Frankly speaking, I am very skeptical about all these videos from "Baku Beobakhter")))

he is skeptical about both. while it is obvious that the Azerbaijanis are advancing, and the Armenians are retreating it is also obvious that Azerbaijan's PR department is a cut above the Armenian one.
it is obvious that Azerbaijan demonstrates modern methods of warfare using precision weapons and drones, while the Armenians operate within the framework of the old doctrine.
unlike the events in Belarus, I would not argue with the jagermeister who is who

Quote: TermNachTER

Armenians may not be so hot what warriors, but also not + knowledge of the area.

probably yes, but I was very surprised by the footage of the first days of the conflict. tanks are blown up by anti-tank mines ... they are on their own territory. what about local knowledge? Don't they know where they put the mines themselves?

[Thrifty]

This is not a camouflage, because the equipment is not dug in, the traces of the approach to the position are not overwritten, they are simply stupidly overlaid with branches, possibly in the switched on state. By the way, in some videos, a light pulse is visible on the body of the equipment before being hit, which indicates that the missiles are guided at the target by a laser beam. We need systems to suppress not only radio channels, but also scattering laser radiation missile guidance systems of attack drones.

[Oquzyurd]

During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Oquzyurd

During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

[Kolka Semenov]

Is there a video confirmation?

[NTD]

Quote: Kolka Semyonov

Is there a video confirmation?

Sorry not in the topic, but there is material about something else. Who do you need to be to use photographs of dead Azerbaijani children, passing them off as Armenian children, allegedly killed by Azerbaijanis.

The video, prepared for a foreign audience, says in particular that the Armenians are actively using photographs of two-year-old Zakhra Guliyeva, who was killed in 2017 during the Armenian shelling. In addition, for their propaganda, the Armenians use photographs of Azerbaijani children killed and wounded during the rocket attack on Ganja.

https://haqqin.az/news/191789

Now I have a question. About prisoners and severed heads, not just another handwriting of Armenians?

[ashot1973]

About prisoners and severed heads, not another handwriting of Armenians?

I want to refresh your memory.
On February 19, 2004, Lieutenant of the Armenian Armed Forces Gurgen Margaryan, who was sent to Budapest to take English courses within the framework of NATO's Partnership for Peace program, was hacked to death with an ax by an Azerbaijani officer Ramil Safarov. The latter was charged under article 166.2 of the Hungarian Criminal Code (murder under aggravated circumstances). On April 13, 2006, Safarov was sentenced to life imprisonment without the right to amnesty for 30 years.
Well, of course, Azerbaijan has very negatively perceived the verdict of the Hungarian court, which condemned the Azerbaijani officer Ramil Safarov to life imprisonment for the murder of an Armenian officer. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Justice of Azerbaijan raised a petition to the Ministry of Justice of Hungary for the transfer to the Azerbaijani side of the criminal Safarov, who was sentenced to life imprisonment by the Budapest court.
In February 2006. the killer of the Armenian officer - Azerbaijani Ramil Safarov - has been declared the person of the year in Baku.
On August 31, 2012, he was transferred to Azerbaijan for further serving his sentence, but on the same day he was pardoned by the decree of the President of Azerbaijan. In Azerbaijan, Safarov was greeted as a hero, he received an apartment as a gift and was promoted to major, with a salary for the eight years he spent in prison.
Here is the handwriting of an Azerbaijani ... or rather a Turk or a Turk ...
You only know how to bomb and hack to death and be proud of this, and for this, without shame, appropriate heroes of the Turkic nation like Ramil ...

[NTD]

Quote: ashot1973

was hacked to death with an ax at night

Again 25) did he sleep in a cave? There were no doors? Did you sleep in the front yard during NATO training? Why is the valiant Armenian terminator. the second who was with Gurgen ended up in the Estonians' room? Why didn't you help a friend or fellow countryman? And he was punished for the fact that he insulted and spat on our flag. One thing pleases, next time you will behave well.

Quote: ashot1973

Here is the handwriting of an Azerbaijani ... or rather a Turk or a Turk ...

Gurgen Yanikyan, who killed in 1973 in Santa Barbara two of his guests, Turkish diplomats, whom he invited to dinner at a hotel to present a picture and behind whom he went to fire shots from there in a truly Armenian style at the moment when they ate food!

Isn't that a national feature of Armenians - to shoot their guests in the back when they eat? The cowardly Armenian murderer was given life imprisonment, but in Armenia he was elevated to the rank of a hero and even a play was dedicated to him, the premiere of which was not attended by anyone, but by the head of state. Isn't it time for the Armenian propagandists, after all these shameful facts, to fill their mouths with shame (if any) and shut up?

You have a lot of such "heroes".

[72jora72]

Isn't this a national feature of Armenians?

Do you know what is the similarity between Armenians and Azerbaijanis? When you are few in any Russian-speaking team (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc., it doesn't matter) you are polite, it is pleasant to talk to you, you smile and laugh with everyone at the jokes. But. But it is worth getting into a situation where you are a crowd, and there are only a few people of another nationality (faith, etc.), everything changes, you immediately take off your masks.

[Keyser soze]

over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems have been destroyed by an accurate strike

Why only three? Write six or nine, let the giaurs suffer ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Well done video.

[Oquzyurd]

Yes, qualitatively and visually. Agree, I will not walk far, even 6-7 years ago no one from the country of "tomatoes and tourism" expected such a breakthrough. Not only in drones, but in the military-industrial complex in general.

[TermNachTer]

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, now needs to think about how to save the southern grouping before it is drowned out. And not to tell fairy tales)))) and to transfer troops to the Iranian border, because the Persians will remember you and Turkish jokes about Western Azerbaijan)))

[Mountain shooter]

Is this a disguise? Have they had their brains amputated? Inability to fight will turn out to be a lot of blood for Armenians. In modern realities. Alas, the Armenians are hopelessly losing this war ... Just some kind of extermination.

[sedoj]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Is this a disguise? Have they had their brains amputated?

A good disguise: there is a bush in the middle of the track.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: sedoj

A good disguise: there is a bush in the middle of the track.

Here, and I'm about the same. Another would be to draw a cross, with an arrow ... White paint!

[Alexey from Perm]

I'll tell you this, Russia is at war with Turkey, we saw the same picture, our equipment destroyed with impunity, For they have technological superiority on their side.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

For they have technological superiority on their side

Well, did you see what was happening in Idlib? The Bayraktars began to destroy the Syrians, just like right now. And there were no less of them than now in Azerbaijan. But they pulled up the forces of electronic warfare and air defense, and a week later all these "strikers" disappeared from the sky. A part fell, the remnants stopped flying, due to the complete futility of attempts. It was? Fact. But this is far from the army air defense of the Russian army. Therefore, there is no need for such fantasies. Bayraktar is really dangerous against formations that do not have a real air defense system, and still do not know how to use what they have.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, did you see what was happening in Idlib? Syrians "Bayraktars" began to destroy, as right now

News from a parallel universe. As the Bayraktars flew during the operation in Idlib, they still fly. They destroyed a lot of ground equipment, including Armor. Yes, Bayraktars were also shot down, let's put + for this great achievement like the "SAR army"
By the way, all this happened near the Khmeimim base and our radar stations with electronic warfare definitely took part in the work against the Turkish UAVs.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

News from a parallel universe. As the Bayraktars flew during the operation in Idlib, they still fly. They destroyed a lot of ground equipment, including Armor. Yes

Yes they were. But they were knocked out, and they no longer fly. There were also more powerful and expensive "Ankas" they also knocked down. And please link me to the use of Turkish "shock workers" in Idlib, recently.
And then we really have different universes. Non-overlapping ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And please link me to the use of Turkish "shock workers" in Idlib, recently.

Easy. The end of the fighting is the beginning of March.

At the talks on March 5 in Moscow, the presidents of Russia and Turkey reached an agreement on the establishment of a truce in the conflict zone, from 0:00 the same day; in addition, a security corridor is being created around the M4 Latakia-Aleppo highway, 6 km deep on both sides

1.https: //topwar.ru/170685-sirija-28-aprelja-v-idlibe-konflikt-mezhdu-turciej-i-dzhihadistami.html

Syria, April 28: Turkish UAVs hit militants previously supported

2.https://topwar.ru/172417-tureckie-bespilotniki-nanesli-udar-po-pozicijam-armii-sirii-v-rajone-serakiba.html

Turkish drones attacked Syrian army positions in Serakib
23 2020 June

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Syria, April 28: Turkish UAVs hit militants previously supported

Well, these kind of did everything right, why shoot them down?

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Turkish drones attacked Syrian army positions in Serakib
23 2020 June

I'll check it now ...
Cross references give nothing. No details. It looks like sarin in Guta.
Of course there is, even a hundred tomahawks have been exhausted ... What a vulgar stuffing ...

[Alexey from Perm]

You do not read the news there at all, how the truce was concluded after that and do not fly)))

[Ferrari Stradale]

There is no data on the successful use of electronic warfare against Turkish UAVs from Syria.
On the Internet, I found only two photos of the fallen Bikers in Idlib
It is not clear from your beautiful story who pulled up the air defense after which the Turkish UAVs fled losing their slippers? Russia or Assad.
As in a joke, Stirlitz crossed the border imperceptibly, he learned about this from the morning newspapers.

[Alexey from Perm]

do not pay attention, hurray patriots for that and hurray, to win on the Internet

[carstorm 11]

exactly. probably due to their advantage, the Turks refused all their demands, such as retreating to their old positions))) the successful or not use of electronic warfare means can only be discussed in the aggregate of all means of protection. and the fact that the Syrian army took all the positions and did not give them up suggests that the very factor of using drones did not affect anything at all. and after the destruction of the vanguard of Turkish specialists who in some strange way found themselves in the positions of militants, the Turks enlightened. a pair of su 34 can do much more damage than a UAV.

[uhu189]

The Syrian army lost a bunch of armored vehicles and artillery in 3 days and it was no longer a question of continuing the offensive on Idlib, the question was to stay in position under continuous drone strikes. In the end, the threat was stopped, but to say that it had nothing to do with it is to put it mildly very disingenuous.

[carstorm 11]

you better study what tactical tasks were being solved. at the same time, look at the maps and you will understand that this is not the way to step on a large settlement. at the same time))) there only the child does not understand that the main task was to go to the tracks and control them. which was done. losses? do you own the entire tactical situation at that moment? worst of all in this life is that people who do not understand the topic make conclusions and analysis. all these days, including yesterday's videoconferencing, they destroyed everything that moves. In less than a month, the SAA managed to defeat a serious enemy grouping, recapture the most important strategic settlements and free the M-5 highway. the strategic section was taken under control and the road m 4. losses were and will always be. what did the use of drones in Turkey give? strategically NOTHING. or remind you how the Syrian army rushed so that the Turkish checkpoints simply remained in their rear,))))

[Sanichsan]

Quote: uhu189

The Syrian army lost a bunch of armored vehicles and artillery in 3 days

a bunch is how much? 2, 3, 10? and this despite the fact that the Syrians were forbidden to attack the Turkish positions from where the Torquay attacked with impunity. but this did not apply to the Turkish barmaley, and when they tried a joint attack with the Turks, it is known what happened.

[uhu189]

See for yourself how much https://lostarmour.info/syria/
Artillery turned out - 9 Carnations, 5 Acacias and 7 hail. This is only for videos that were on the internet. How much in fact - I don't know ... Tell me a little? Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles yourself can count

[Sanichsan]

Quote: uhu189

Tell me a little? Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles yourself can count

looked. 36 units from drones. a normal result for a situation where the Syrians did not have air defense. apparently did not expect the Turks to become so insolent. It is also known that with the arrival of the Pntsir, the successes of the Turkish UAVs ended.
if you want to say something here about incredible efficiency and irreparable losses, then the same resource contains data for several years. in 2017, in battles with the barmaley, we lost more than 300 units of equipment, in 2020 118 and 36 of them from drones not bad but not phenomenal.
what did you want to say? what if the air is not controlled then there will be losses? so it's understandable. that the attack drone is the ultimate weapon? so this is nonsense
by the way, the Turkish aviation never dared to poke into the region ...

[uhu189]

What did you want to say? That there will not be enough BUKs and TORs for all drones with their massive use. Even if they are exchanged at 4-5 per installation, air defense systems will end much earlier than UAVs. And the production of UAVs is much cheaper and faster, and so is the training of operators. Yes, air defense can significantly reduce the threat, but the creation of air defense cannot be compared in terms of costs with the creation of a UAV. And now I do not see effective methods of counteracting them. Maybe I'm wrong, and God forbid, if I'm wrong. And in my understanding, Karabakh is not just a bell - it is an alarm.
And about the Turks and their aviation - there was an agreement, they did not meddle. After our headquarters bombed Erdogan freaked out and gave the order to use drones. Yes, the F-16 did not risk it, but it was not necessary

[Sanichsan]

basically agree with you. in the event of this conflict, yes.

Quote: uhu189

That there will not be enough BUKs and TORs for all drones with their massive use.

judging by what is happening with the Armenian crews, yes.

Quote: uhu189

Even if they are exchanged at 4-5 per installation, air defense systems will end much earlier than UAVs. And the production of UAVs is much cheaper and faster, and so does the training of operators. Yes, air defense can significantly reduce the threat, but the creation of air defense cannot be compared in terms of costs with the creation of a UAV.

but this is already a caption in its purest form. a cheap drone has a small radius, low speed, low ceiling and an easy target even for cannon air defense. expensive, shock or reconnaissance, not a very cheap pleasure.

Quote: uhu189

And now I do not see effective methods of counteracting them.

look at Khmeimin, you can see how, and in Idlib, the Sultan's shells landed if you forgot the score in Idlib 14-0 in favor of the shells.
you decide whether you do not see or really do not want to see?

Quote: uhu189

And about the Turks and their aviation - there was an agreement, they did not meddle.

there seemed to be a lot of agreements. for example, the Syrians, Turkish checkpoints, did not extinguish the Turks directly, unlike the Syrians, the Turks there violated everything they could and because of direct assistance to the terrorists suffered losses.

PS
drones are undoubtedly the new face of modern warfare, but they do not at all replace the rest of the military.
shock drones are a very controversial direction. effective against low tech forces.
kamikaze drones are very good help for the infantry.
Reconnaissance drones are what allows the rest of the military to realize their striking potential. in my opinion, the most promising direction for the RF Armed Forces.

[uhu189]

Quote: SanichSan

look at Khmeimin, you can see how, and in Idlib, the Sultan's shells landed if they forgot the score in Idlib 14-0 in favor of the shells.
you decide whether you do not see or really do not want to see?

Khmeimim was not attacked by combat drones, only homemade ones. And about Idlib - even at a briefing, the Ministry of Defense admitted that 2 shells were lost. And how much in fact - one can only guess.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: uhu189

Khmeimim was not attacked by combat drones, only homemade ones.

uh huh. homemade products that were directed from Poseidon amerovsky .. nothing such homemade products.

Quote: uhu189

Idlib - even at a briefing, the Ministry of Defense admitted that 2 shells were lost. And how much in fact - one can only guess.

oh bullshit firstly, they are not lost, but damaged, and have already been restored. their recovery was nearing completion at the time of the briefing. secondly there were 4 Syrian shell, but judging by your ideas, you believe in 8 destroyed by the Turks.
but there are no photos of those destroyed or even damaged none of the drones flew to take pictures

[uhu189]

Are you sure they were the ones from Poseidon? I don’t know whether this is so or not ... And even if so, even if the control equipment was advanced, they themselves are homemade by design.

Well, how damaged - yes, the chassis may remain there, but not the equipment. And yes, if they haven't burned out, it means they have been damaged, you could say that. The video was defeated, and there were not only Libyan shells. And about 8 - no, I don’t believe, the Turks lie better than ours, especially since they advertised their drones. I'm not trying to belittle the shells, not in any way, they just themselves are not a panacea, and even more so in single quantities ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: uhu189

Well, how damaged - yes, there may be chassis left, but not equipment.

Yes? and have they already returned to service for the briefing? truly our repairmen work wonders!

Quote: uhu189

The video was defeated, and there were not only Libyan shells.

where was it? there was no video or photo. Tell me, why do you need such gross fraud? in fact, the destruction of the shell in Syria by the Israeli spike has been confirmed. all. why invent something? you Turkish?

Quote: uhu189

I'm not trying to belittle the shells, not in any way, they just themselves are not a panacea, and even more so in single quantities ...

certainly not a panacea, but a very effective anti-UAV remedy. and they proved it. not the most rational but quite effective.
in case you forgot, the strike UAV is the ideal low speed target. qualified calculations with modern means of destruction and detection should crack them like nuts, because both these calculations and this equipment are designed to destroy much more complex targets like ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and supersonic maneuvering targets, and here UAVs are a target for disabled people.
why do Armenians have problems? possibly low qualification of calculations, possibly outdated equipment of the last century ...

[KARAKURT777]

Does Assad have a real air defense system?))

[Vadim_888]

... Does Assad have a real air defense system?))

What is there? It would be, the Israelites would not be so successful in solving their problems in Syria

[pytar]

The Bayraktars began to destroy the Syrians, just like right now.

Dear, Eugene , unfortunately there is nothing like that in reality. Despite opposition from the Russian side. Electronic warfare and air defense, the air supremacy of Turkish UAVs was never overcome. Its efficiency was somewhat reduced and the losses of these devices increased, but nothing dramatic. The UAVs inflicted tangible damage on all ground equipment and personnel, while the operators calmly work from a distance in safety.
I think we all should finally admit the fact that Russia is lagging behind in the field of UAVs and the inefficiency of the current Russians. electronic warfare and air defense systems. To me, these are obvious facts! And it is high time, not tomorrow, but "yesterday" to undertake urgent mayors! UAVs turned out to be so dangerous that, in the absence of effective counteraction, they turn the tide of battles! 21st century, robotization, already here !!!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: pytar

Dear, Eugene, unfortunately there is nothing like that in reality. Despite opposition from the Russian side. Electronic warfare and air defense, the air supremacy of Turkish UAVs was never overcome. Its efficiency was somewhat reduced and the losses of these devices increased, but nothing dramatic. The UAVs inflicted tangible damage on all ground equipment and personnel, while the operators calmly work from a distance in safety.

I look at the facts. The Syrian offensive continued, the Turks were squeezed out of the M5 highway (or M4 is too lazy to look at the map) showed 5 shot down Anok and 7 Bayraktar, and the mention of the deadly Turkish UAVs in the Syrian sky disappeared from the news. Wasn't that? It was. This means that the devil is not so terrible ... the air defense was Syrian, from Khmeimim, the locators would not reach there, and the base air defense is not engaged in this. It seems that our advisers explained to the Syrians what to do and how. The Syrians pulled up the Buki and closed the sky.
Have a conscience. A reinforced air regiment from one airbase turned the tide of the war in Syria. This indicates the backwardness of technology. Our drone was hanging in the air day and night. And the drums will catch up. Perhaps already there. And then some strange disruption of preparation for the chemical attack in Idlib happened. With victims among the organizers ... And silence. I’m thinking - but have we classified this development?

[Yaik Cossack]

The offensive of the Syrian army and ichtamnets on Idlib, covered by Russian air defense systems, had to be stopped in order to destroy the enclave due to extremely heavy losses. The Turks have achieved their goal.
When the hooray patriots run out of winning chants, they begin to invent top secret victories.
The Russian Federation has reconnaissance drones in service - the best - according to Israeli technology. There are no drums and it is not known when they will be.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

showed 5 downed Anoks and 7 Bayraktar, and all mentions of the deadly Turkish UAVs in the Syrian sky disappeared from the news.

The fact that the news about how drones work has not been read or forgotten does not mean that they were not there. And the news about there that the UAV is being shot down has disappeared, I agree with that. Here is a video of those days.
February 29

March 1

3 March.

An armistice was announced on March 5.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Well, the news IN those days. As you can see, UAVs flew and bombed until the last days of the conflict and later.
https://topwar.ru/168446-turcija-pokazala-kadry-nanesenija-massirovannogo-udar-po-saa-v-idlibe.html
https://topwar.ru/168467-tureckaja-armija-udarila-po-ajerodromu-k-vostoku-ot-aleppo-i-obstreljali-kurdskie-goroda.html
https://topwar.ru/168518-tureckie-bpla-nanesli-udar-po-ajerodromu-v-hame-rf-ne-garantiruet-bezopasnost-dlja-vvs-turcii-nad-siriej.html

[Andrey sh]

What measures and why? Pick up several gliding or loitering bombs "on the tail" of the UAV and spread the base together with the operators. If it is in AUTOMATIC mode, it will be empty, they will prove that there was a violation of some boundaries - the drone SAM brought a response weapon to the base.

[carstorm 11]

I am begging you. of course there is a lag and this is a fact. and the damage was done. having 10 ANOK units, half was lost. wherever the operators sit, this is a loss of 50 percent of the entire fleet. plus you forget a more important fact. while the Turks struck UAVs from the other side, the strikes were delivered by front-line bombers. which is incommensurable in strength. Well, they have already explained to you that Turkey did not gain anything from their use, since the Syrian army took up positions it planned to push the beards out of the way.

[Alexey from Perm]

I think the truce arrived in time.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

I'll tell you this, Russia is at war with Turkey, we saw the same picture, our equipment destroyed with impunity, For they have technological superiority on their side

If Turkey was at war with Russia, the Ottomans would not even have a chance to do something like that, since absolutely all of their military infrastructure would be destroyed on their own territory in the first hours of the war. Even the planes would not have time to lift, let alone drones. And all this without the use of special ammunition, of which Russia has a great many. I will modestly keep silent about the nuclear response, because Turkey will remain only in history books.

[Yaik Cossack]

Nuclear weapons against NATO countries. They drifted to attack Ukraine, and here ... aniki-warriors
Some kind of fireworks of fantasies ... Vilimo was burnt by the fighters from agitprop)))

[kventinasd]

Quote: Yaitsky Cossack

Nuclear weapons yes against a NATO country.

Even if nuclear, which is unlikely. For the Turks, if they play against Russia, none of NATO will fit in. These will silently watch as they eliminate Erdogashka, who they do not like.

[dmmyak40]

First, officially declare war on Russia - then we will attack. In the meantime, fight the Donbass militia and vacationers. Paremozhniki ...

[Ryazan87]

absolutely all of their military infrastructure will be destroyed on their own territory in the first hours of the war. Even planes will not have time to lift, let alone drones. And all this without the use of special ammunition

Really curious how? What are you planning to destroy, and even so that "the planes will not have time to lift"?

[kventinasd]

Quote: Ryazanets87

Really curious how? What are you planning to destroy, and even so that "the planes will not have time to lift"?

On the southern borders of Russia there is a squadron of MiG 31 with daggers, and calibers with Iskanders will fly from the Caspian and the Black Sea coast, so the Turks will not even have time to wake up and the S400 will not help. But I hope it won't come to that, because Edik is a coward.

[Ryazan87]

In short, a surprise attack by a squadron of MiGs with Daggers and fifty Kalibr cruise missiles are destroying the entire Turkish army and military industry. And Iskanders with an official radius of 500 km "will fly from the Caspian." I'm embarrassed to ask where exactly.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Ryazanets87

And Iskanders with an official radius of 500 km "will fly from the Caspian." I'm embarrassed to ask where exactly.

If you don't know, the Iskanders are in service with Armenia, and if necessary, they will quickly appear at the Russian base in Gyumri, and even with nuclear warheads. They exactly cover half of the Turkish infrastructure.

[Ryazan87]

1. If you are not in the know, read clause 19 of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 “On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence”:
"... 19. The conditions that determine the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation are:
a) the receipt of reliable information about the launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;
b) the use by the enemy of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction in the territories of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;
c) the enemy's influence on critical state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the disabling of which will lead to the disruption of the response actions of the nuclear forces;
d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened. "
Then start a message about nuclear warheads and the consequences of its use against a NATO country.
2. If you are not aware, in Armenia there are a maximum of 8 Iskander complexes in export performance (radius - 280 km). And one has already been destroyed by the Azerbaijanis.
3. Think at your leisure to be with this base in Gyumri, and at the same time with Khmeimim after such brave launches. There, the Turkish artillery gets out from their own territory without any problems.
4. This is for geography education:

[kventinasd]

Quote: Ryazanets87

This is for geographic education

For those in the tank: The Iskander complexes have cruise missiles with a range of 2500 km, and given the fact that the INF Treaty is practically over, it is possible that there are already ballistic missiles of the same range for this complex. So from the territory of Russia they will reach any point in Turkey.

[Vlad_S]

Quote: kventinasd

If Turkey was at war with Russia, the Ottomans would not even have a chance to do something like that, since absolutely all of their military infrastructure would be destroyed on their own territory in the first hours of the war. Even the planes would not have time to lift, let alone drones. And all this without the use of special ammunition, of which Russia has a great many. I will modestly keep silent about the nuclear response, because Turkey will remain only in history books.

Comrade commander-in-chief, tell us how you will destroy.

[nekromonger]

we already heard this in 41, nothing has changed.

[the finish]

According to the Kommersant newspaper (https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/44722), about 600 Turkish military personnel are stationed in Azerbaijan, including:
- battalion tactical group of 200 people,
- 50 instructors in Nakhichevan,
- 90 military advisers in Baku (they provided a liaison in the conduct of hostilities in the brigade-corps-general staff chain);
- 120 flight personnel at the Gabala airbase;
- 20 drone operators at Dallar airfield,
- 50 instructors at the Yevlakh airfield,
- 50 instructors in the 4th Army Corps (Pirekeshkul);
- 20 people at the naval base and at the Heydar Aliyev military school in Baku.

[Egor53]

Finish - and after all, in the link you proposed https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/44722 there are NO numbers that you give.

[the finish]

original from Kommersant itself, article "Forcing into conflict"
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4537733#id1962785
In the military observer there is a news time at 16.45. the link may not open correctly.

[Petro_tut]

If God forbid we have to see this, then Turkish airfields, as well as factories for the production of drones, tanks, ammunition scatter in the first hours after the start of hostilities, the rest is cleaned by MLRS and TOS

[Ryazan87]

also factories for the production of drones, tanks, ammunition scatter in the first hours

We'll cover with tactical sofas, yeah.

[the Saint]

Throw into Turkey through Georgia and the Black Sea, where the Turkish fleet will not leave chips from the Russian. This strategist is vaguely familiar with geography. Here is the USSR, that yes, it bordered on Turkey, thanks to which Air Force captain Alexander Zuev was able to hijack his MiG-1989 there in 29.

[Vadim237]

In which case, in the first raid on Turkey, our strategic aviation will launch more than 800 cruise missiles at it.

[Petro_tut]

We'll cover with tactical sofas, yeah.

Iskander + calibers, strike from a height by strategists under the cover of fighters, then unfortunately there will be a ground operation

[Ryazan87]

Are you seriously going to destroy the main military infrastructure of Turkey with Iskander? Do you at least understand how far they can work? The complex "is designed to engage warheads in conventional equipment of small-sized and area targets in the depth of the operational formation of enemy troops."
And how many "Calibers" are in the joint salvo of the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla? Take an interest.

strike from a height by strategists under the cover of fighters

- Turkish air force and air defense at this time smoke hookah. In the meantime, learn something about the Turkish Navy.

land operation unfortunately

- here I agree. The ground part of the operation against the Turks, due to the current state of the continent of Eurasia and the outline of political borders, is possible only in Syria. For the Khmeimim base, this will indeed be a complete regret.
R.S. this is not to mention the fact that Turkey is a NATO member for a second.

[Boomandroid]

Quote: Ryazanets87

Are you seriously going to destroy the main military infrastructure of Turkey with Iskander? Do you at least understand how far they can work? The complex "is designed to engage warheads in conventional equipment of small-sized and area targets in the depth of the operational formation of enemy troops."
And how many "Calibers" are in the joint salvo of the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla? Take an interest.

strike from a height by strategists under the cover of fighters

- Turkish air force and air defense at this time smoke hookah. In the meantime, learn something about the Turkish Navy.

land operation unfortunately

- here I agree. The ground part of the operation against the Turks, due to the current state of the continent of Eurasia and the outline of political borders, is possible only in Syria. For the Khmeimim base, this will indeed be a complete regret.
R.S. this is not to mention the fact that Turkey is a NATO member for a second.

Yes, we'll throw you there in a wig ... Pretend to be Natasha, you have all the attention of the Turks ... And we will throw snot and tape (as you say) into the great and very technologically advanced Turks

[Andrey sh]

I absolutely agree - this is overkill and a declaration of war. But the launched rocket, aiming at this very drone - no. And the fact that the Turks, after the strike, dragged both the drone and its escort to their base are their problems. And the devices that automatically captured aircraft as a beacon for guidance and followed them until they landed in the USSR began to be developed back in the 70s - why look for an aircraft carrier if the aircraft from it CAM returns to it?

[TermNachTer]

What exactly is superiority? In commercials?)))) Yes, the Israelis are also great specialists to shoot entertaining vidos - because the product sells better.

[Gelos]

But the Rasiyans have vanguards, daggers and others from the "guarantor" cartoons.

[Oquzyurd]

Suppose they were masked so that they are not visible. Then what? A bunch of drones fly over their heads 24 hours a day at different heights. At the first revival of this "bush", they will immediately notice. If until the end of the war it will stand like a bush, then no question, let it be)

[pytar]

Above their heads, 24 hours a day, a bunch of drones fly at different heights. At the first revival of this "bush", they will immediately notice.

Absolutely right! Monitoring on the battlefield is constant, and there is a victory! The UAV is practically to block the entire teren! Ground troops are paralyzed, as their every movement is visible and immediately blows are delivered to them, from which there is nowhere to hide!

[TermNachTer]

24 hours a day over an area of ​​several thousand km. sq.?))) How much UAV, operators, fuel, etc. do you need? Citizens return to earth)))

[Vadim237]

Several hundred is not a problem even for Azerbaijan now.

[TermNachTer]

Do you work in the Ministry of Finance of Azerbaijan or in the Ministry of Defense? As far as I know, from open sources, the financial situation in Azerbaijan (Turkey) is now far from brilliant, so they are unlikely to be able to "dance until they drop."

[pytar]

24 hours a day over an area of ​​several thousand km. sq.?))

Bearing in mind at what height these devices usually fly and the approximate angle of view, you yourself can calculate the area of ​​the strip that one UAV can monitor. I was too lazy, even though in the past I was professionally engaged in photogrammetry / section in geodesy /.

There is no need to constantly hang over one point, since the video recording allows frame-by-frame analysis and every change is immediately noticed, even without human participation. The corresponding computer programs in automatic mode do the analysis and, when a suspicious element appears, they signal the operator, and he himself makes decisions.
It is very difficult for ground forces to camouflage themselves, since the camouflage measures themselves are also easily identifiable.

How much UAV, operators, fuel, etc. do you need?

As for the UAV maintenance personnel, they sit at a distance in safety. Among them, the losses, if any, are 1000 times less than among the objects of UAV impact.

Citizens return to earth)))

It is necessary to move to another level of technology and rise into the sky, otherwise they will easily be killed on the ground.

[TermNachTer]

I would like to point out that the fortification works have been carried out for 30 years. Above the structures that were built in the early 90s, a forest has already grown, and not some kind of disguise

[pytar]

I would like to point out that the fortification works have been carried out for 30 years. Above the structures that were built in the early 90s, a forest has already grown, and not some kind of disguise

If it is so, then their location has probably been studied in detail by the Azarbaydzhan intelligence service for a long time, using classical methods. And I also want to remind you that Turkey has intelligence satellites that fly over this region!

[TermNachTer]

An Azerbaijani walking around the NKAO? Quite an exotic way to make yourself into trouble, even lethal))) Satellite reconnaissance - here, on the next branch, Captain Tsur zee Timokhin proved that this is not a panacea. I doubt that the Turks have already hung a satellite over Karabakh. Until recently, they had completely different courses of action.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

Satellite reconnaissance - here, on the next branch, Captain Tsur zee Timokhin proved that this is not a panacea.

I beg of you! Well, you are not Timokhin! in addition to satellites, there is field reconnaissance, undercover intelligence (which, by the way, can hand over the entire fortification plan, so to speak, first-hand, how the South Koreans surrendered all of Saddam's fortification that was being built ) aerial reconnaissance. when they build chtol are strongly masked? Well, maybe someone does, but certainly not Armenians.

[TermNachTer]

For Armenians it is a matter of survival, a spy is hardly possible. They built the fortification themselves, not Korea or someone else. Built a long time ago - no need to mask, there is already a forest.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

Built a long time ago - no need to mask, there is already a forest.

Well Duc and when they built what? they told the Azerbaijanis, as in the cartoon Captain Flint, who was going to bury the treasures, said "turn away the villains!" and they turned away embarrassedly?
while it is obvious that all these fortifications could not stop Azerbaijan.

[TermNachTer]

When they were building, not a single living Azeri was within a radius of 30 km. Construction began when the Azerbaijanis together "fled" from there)))) and those who used to live there, you don't even use them as guides, because a lot has changed in 30 years.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

Construction began when the Azerbaijanis together "fled" from there))))

Well, so they kicked out and did not fade. by the way from their native land. what now? Azerbaijanis also want to fled the Armenians from there. Why are they worse than Armenians? lived there together, and the Armenians started kipish.
as for leadership, one friend of the Sultan, the other friend of Soros Azerbaijanis with pan-Turkism, Armenians with home-grown fascism. horseradish radish is not sweeter.
officially, the leadership of the Russian Federation seems to be for the Armenians, but very much ... as if expressing concern. I would say that for ending the conflict. in the news I do not emphasize any "terrible crimes of the bloody redhead." Usually, if they talk about shelling on one side, then they immediately report about shelling on the other side.
Well, if you suddenly thought that the Russian Federation is for the Armenians.

Quote: TermNachTER

and those who used to live there, don't even use them as guides, because a lot has changed over the past 30 years.

judging by the footage of the explosions of Armenian tanks on mines, all this applies to the Armenians ...

[TermNachTer]

Do you know how many explosions have ukroSS in Donbass, almost every day. If they mine haphazardly and do not map the fields, it is a common occurrence.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: pytar

Absolutely right! Monitoring on the battlefield is constant, and there is a victory!

To do this, you need to completely control the situation in the sky and so that the enemy completely gives you this sky, like the Armenians.

[Petro_tut]

Suppose they were masked so that they are not visible. Then what? A bunch of drones fly over their heads 24 hours a day at different heights. At the first revival of this "bush", they will immediately notice. If until the end of the war it will stand like a bush, then it’s not a question, let it be

Conclusion - Armenians need to transplant bushes to other places using the track

[Andrey sh]

MANPADS, these drones will remove almost everything. The problem is to find them, but this is also solvable. But when the technique is masked THAT, then these are not the problems of drones, but of those who are fighting on it ...

[Vadim237]

"MANPADS will remove almost all of these drones" Well, yes, it will remove drones from which the propeller electric motors of the seeker MANPADS will not even see them.

[Andrey sh]

It depends on what kind of MANPADS and what kind of guidance. With a heat head, he can easily see a piston engine from behind, electric motors have one problem - they don't need small batteries, so their range and altitude are not very good. And there are rockets not with a thermal seeker, especially the old ones. Here's how to place them correctly - that's a problem. For it will be necessary to shoot down drones at medium and long distances for MANPADS, and this is a very short time for detection and guidance.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Andrey sh

For it will be necessary to shoot down drones at medium and long distances for MANPADS, and this is a very short time for detection and guidance.

MANPADS are not an option. Drones operate at altitudes of 5 + km, and for Armenian MANPADS this is the ceiling. will not get it.

[KARAKURT777]

How is this inability to fight? Immediately for 100 years they write the opposite, that the Azerbaijanis do not know how to fight))

[TermNachTer]

Azerbaijan is losing the war, and the situation is getting worse every day.

[Observer2014]

It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

[max702]

It seems to me that camouflage by all the rules will not help .. There, apparently, not only visual (although the quality of the video is a cut above what we were shown from Syria) but also electronic and other stuff .. A reason to think very seriously about our Armed Forces ..

[cmax]

Quote: Observer2014

but of course it is powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put the grid on and say. I'm in the house.
Tactics pr

It would be nice for pensioners from the Ministry of Defense to watch these videos. Maybe this will force them to quickly receive "unparalleled weapons" in the troops. In a country that has problems with new technologies, the production of electronics, new machine tools with bloated FSUEs (God, what a low level of management there, he himself worked there) in theory cannot nothing new, breakthrough will appear. Tanks 72 \ 80 (of which the majority are in the troops) as they were and remained without active protection, airplanes, helicopters - modifications from the 80s of the last century (they just improve, one might say, they cut funds, nothing new). Motorized riflemen did not have collimator sights and optical sights (except in special forces). Fleet ......, no comment, soon every new Raptor will be greeted with a salute, the absence of new torpedoes, mine action forces, landing ships, fleet aviation, non-volatile installations for new submarines. Production per year as much as 2-3 IL-76 "achievement"! Shooting from the cannons of the Armor is generally a separate book - is it really possible to shoot down something by shooting from them, only the translation of shells. Is it really impossible to do something so as not to hole the sky. Etc. I apologize for the chernukha, but if the war is again people will ensure victory.

[Sergei Sovetkin]

At least one sober opinion. Everything is correct

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Observer2014

Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

Roughly speaking, the ammunition of these Bayraktars is not too large caliber. Type ATGM warhead. I suppose the dugout covers will not break through at once. And you can't see through the ceilings whether there is anything inside or not. If you are not able to provide the army with the means of observation and detection - bury yourself ... Expensive - yes, expensive ... And the army is an expensive thing.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Observer2014

Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

Roughly speaking, the ammunition of these Bayraktars is not too large caliber. Type ATGM warhead. I suppose the dugout covers will not break through at once. And you can't see through the ceilings whether there is anything inside or not. If you are not able to provide the army with the means of observation and detection - bury yourself ... Expensive - yes, expensive ... And the army is an expensive thing.

I swear to you, five times I printed a whole article today, instead of a comment. I erased. I could not send. About the new American reconnaissance helicopter.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Observer2014

I swear to you, five times I printed a whole article today, instead of a comment. I erased. I could not send. About the new American reconnaissance helicopter.

it just infuriates. I always copy the message before submitting.

[Oquzyurd]

Developed by the Turkish company Roketsan specifically for use with UAVs, the high-precision small-sized ammunition (bomb) MAM-L (SMM - Smart Micro Munition) weighing 22 kg is actually a "cut" version of the Roketsan L-UMTAS ATGM (weight 37,5 kg) with removal sections of the rocket engine and equipping with a semi-active laser guidance system. Ammunition length 1 m, caliber 160 mm. A warhead weighing 10 kg can be of two types - high-explosive fragmentation or tandem cumulative. It is stated that when dropped from a significant altitude, the MAM-L flight range exceeds 8 km. MAM-L (Smart Micro Munition) is a special lightweight guided munition designed for attack drones. This bomb is equipped with a high-precision laser guidance system and performs a gliding flight to the target. The ammunition guidance system allows you to hit with an error of no more than one meter. The combat effectiveness of the MAM-L has already been proven with the use of Bayraktar TB2 by the armed forces of the Turkish Republic. As the experience of the Turkish army has proven, high-precision aiming of ammunition and a relatively small warhead allow the use of the MAM-L against an enemy covered by civilian objects, without risking the civilian population.

[Oquzyurd]

One of the widely used kamikaze in Karabakh.

The Azerbaijani military unmanned aerial vehicle of the Zerbe model is presented in an aircraft-type configuration, moreover, this drone has a fairly compact overall dimensions, which significantly increases the maneuverability of the UAV, and also simplifies the process of operation and transportation.

It will also be important to clarify that the unmanned aerial vehicle of the Zerbe model can also carry out combat missions, which is connected with the fact that this device is transporting a two kilogram fragmentation bomb that can cause significant damage to the live enemy fillets and lightly armored vehicles.

The power section of the UAV is represented by one electric motor, which is capable of accelerating the drone to the maximum speed of the flight of 120 km / h, with the range of flight at 40 kilometers.

[Oquzyurd]

Friend of the Azerbaijani soldier

According to the tactics of the "Harop" combat use, it loiters in the area of ​​the mission. In this case, there are two modes of targeting and destruction of targets. In the first, it should automatically aim itself at the sources of radio emission detected autonomously by the UAV itself, including mobile ones, and this is not only radar. A nearby second UAV of this type can be used to assess the importance of an attack with its possible subsequent cancellation by the operator in manual mode. In the second mode, the operator selects the target using the onboard radar and the optoelectronic system. Also in this mode, this drone can perform reconnaissance missions. If the target is not found, this drone is able to return to the departure base and land there on its own. The defeat of the target is carried out by detonating "Harop" together with the object of the attack. To do this, he carries a warhead weighing 23 kg. The main objectives of this UAV are enemy air defense systems. Can be used to attack ships and vessels.
Harop "is built according to the aerodynamic configuration of a duck, with a front horizontal tail and a two-keel vertical. The internal combustion engine is located in the rear of the fuselage. The propeller is pushing. The control and guidance equipment is located in the bow. The 9-hour all-weather reconnaissance and guidance system consists of a television camera with television and Infrared channels, a radio signal detection system and radar. The loitering duration reaches XNUMX hours. The launch is carried out from a container-type mobile launcher using solid-propellant boosters. It can be placed not only on land, but also on ships, it is also possible to start this UAV from other aircraft The launch is possible at any elevation angle and any orientation of the "Harop" at the time of launch in space. The drone is in a container in constant readiness for launch, for this the launch system has a "Harop" fueling system.
Maximum flight speed 417 km / h
Cruising speed 185 km / h
Practical range of 1000 km.
Takeoff weight 135 kg.
Warhead weight 23 kg.

[the Saint]

Russia has much better, but this advanced development that has no analogues in the world is strictly classified, and even the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is prohibited from showing cartoons about it on TV.

[Andrey sh]

But the flight altitude let us down - 3 km. In principle, MANPADS of the 70s should go astray ...

[TermNachTer]

I think they have dug up enough there for 30 years, you just need to use it correctly. Indoor caponier for technology is the basics of camouflage and safety.

[Vadim237]

And it is, alas, not a panacea from drone UAVs, since they are armed with gliding bombs with a penetrating warhead.

[TermNachTer]

What weight should the ammunition have to penetrate 0,5 m of reinforced concrete + 1 m of soil? What kind of drone will carry such ammunition? How many such ammunition will be able to lift? How many such drones and ammunition does Azerbaijan have? How much do they cost? How quickly can I replenish those spent? And if the Armenians, tomorrow they will launch a counterattack? The situation in the south reminds me more and more of Barvenkovo, in the summer of 42.

[Vadim237]

And if the Armenians, tomorrow they will launch a counterattack? There is already nothing to counterattack. "What weight should the ammunition have to penetrate 0,5 m of reinforced concrete + 1 m of soil? Also GBU 39 and its analogues
Features
Weight, kg 130 kg
Length, mm 1800 mm
Width, mm 190 mm
Maximum
range 110 km
Explosive mass
SDB: 93 kg high-explosive penetration
As you can see reinforced concrete breaks through with a bang

and Azerbaijan's carriers from Turkey most likely have already ordered Bayraktar Akıncı bomb and missile load of 1350 kilograms and its armament range is much more serious than that of Bayraktar TB2

[TermNachTer]

The picture is not drawn well. I ordered it - I haven't received it yet and haven't applied it on the battlefield. Nothing to counterattack? Where does the information come from? Also from Baku? If you believe their information, there are no soldiers or equipment in NKAO, but who are they fighting with then?

[Vadim237]

The NKAO has no equipment anymore - as dozens of units a day are captured and destroyed today, more than 10 cannons and howitzers are captured at an abandoned Armenian base. "Also from Baku? If you believe their information, there are no soldiers or equipment in the NKAO" This information is basically stamped out by Armenia, since the situation in Karabakh is already stalemate.

[TermNachTer]

As the saying goes, "the blind man said - we'll see", I think it's not long left. The middle of October, and then November - rains, snow, mud, it's cold in the mountains. Armenians feel good, they have bunkers built in the 90s, and so on - little things. Do you take dozens of them every day?))) Did you consider it yourself, or are these photo reports from "Azerbaijan Beobakhter"?)))))

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

As the saying goes, "the blind man said - we'll see", I think it's not long left. The middle of October, and then November - rains, snow, mud, it's cold in the mountains. Armenians feel good, they have bunkers built back in the 90s, and so on - little things.

and here is a discrepancy. look at the front line. the very "Armenian bunkers built in the 90s" are already in Azerbaijan, and the Armenian reservists are in a bare field
I don’t know about the counteroffensive. to rely on news is somehow not very good. in the news, both of them win every day ... but the fact that the Azerbaijanis advanced, and the Armenians retreated is a fact. whether there will be a counterattack we'll see, but I doubt it. the Armenians completely merged the sky. without sky control what kind of offensive can we talk about?

[TermNachTer]

Azerbaijan has begun the transfer of troops to the Iranian border. I think you are aware that Iran has very bad relations with Azerbaijan (Turkey). Iran can take advantage of the situation. The only road along which the southern group is supplied goes along the Iranian border. We take the road under artillery control and the strike group turns into an endangered one. About the fact that the Armenians are sitting in a bare field. I read somewhere that 7 defense lines were equipped there, the Azerbaijanis passed 3. The direction was convenient for the offensive - the Armenians were waiting.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

Azerbaijan has begun the transfer of troops to the Iranian border. I think you are aware that Iran has very bad relations with Azerbaijan (Turkey). Iran can take advantage of the situation. The only road along which the southern group is supplied goes along the Iranian border. We take the road under artillery control and the strike group turns into an endangered one.

as an option. but so far Iran has not commented on the situation at all and it is not known whether it will get involved in it. they have enough of their troubles there. start a war on 2 fronts with the United States and Turkey, you understand that the United States will immediately take advantage of the conflict with a NATO member. possible, but unlikely.

Quote: TermNachTER

I read somewhere that 7 defense lines were equipped there, the Azerbaijanis passed 3. The direction was convenient for the offensive - the Armenians were waiting.

is the difference between death and slow death big?
the line of defense is certainly good, but since the middle of the last century, the war is mobile. Back in 1943, the Germans told the Finns that you wouldn’t sit out in the pillboxes and that mobile groups were needed for counterattacks, but the Finns did not listen with a natural result. By the way, the Germans themselves also broke through the Mazheno line. sitting on the defensive won't win a war, at least not now. while Azerbaijan has the initiative while the Armenians are not very much with counterattacks. they immediately tried apparently. remember the footage of the destroyed columns on the march? without taking control of the sky, you cannot go on the attack
maybe the Armenians will be able to put things in order in the air defense and close the sky, but if they do not do this, then they are covered.

[TermNachTer]

After the fall of an Azerbaijani, in the sense of a Turkish, or rather Jewish, UAV on the territory of Iran, Tehran unambiguously warned Baku. And began the transfer of the IRGC to the Azerbaijani border. Recently, Erdogan was completely rude to Trump, Macron, Putin - today there was a meeting of the UN Security Council on Karabakh, let's look at his resolution. Nobody will attack Turkey, at least not now. Iran will hit Azerbaijan. He is not a NATO member, not a CSTO member, who will help Baku in such a situation? Erdogan will go to another war? Two is not enough for him?))) And Turkey's relations with NATO are not particularly. How does NATO work? When Italy asked for financial assistance (not military) to fight the "crown", the Italians were simply "sent". Why do you think Europe will do better with Turkey? About the Armenian defense. The Germans did not break through the Maginot line, but bypassed it (World War II is my specialization), the Armenians have to hold out for another month, perhaps a little more. The war will end. The question is - on what conditions?

[TermNachTer]

I don't see any logic in Erdogan's actions at all. Having a bunch of problems inside the country and two conflicts of medium intensity outside its borders, incomprehensible with Greece, he starts a third. Such suspicions that this is not an autumn aggravation, but something worse.

[Sanichsan]

strange for what my comment was demolished? didn't seem to swear

Quote: TermNachTER

Having a bunch of problems inside the country and two conflicts of medium intensity outside its borders, a misunderstanding with Greece, he starts a third.

seems to be the case in these problems. war is a way to mobilize the population of a country and distract from internal problems. also note that only in Syria the Turks are directly present, all the rest are hybrid conflicts, which means contracts for the supply of weapons. forget the stories that in regions with oil there is nothing to pay
also expanding the sphere of influence. solid pluses. Erdogan is not at all crazy, the question is, will he have enough resources?
PS
about the breakout of the Mazhenot line, I threw a link. Operation Tiger, 1940. you can find it yourself or ask here. I'll give you a personal link. (maybe the comment was demolished for her )

[TermNachTer]

I do not think that the Libyan barmaley can operate UAVs or air defense systems, so the Turks are present in some quantities. Erdogan is not doing well with the expansion of his sphere of influence. Regarding the Maginot Line, if the Germans were already in Paris, why storm it? I had to wait a couple of days, the French themselves would have fled

[Sanichsan]

Quote: TermNachTER

Erdogan is not doing well with the expansion of his sphere of influence.

Well, how can I say ... in Syria, he settled down tightly after agreeing with Russia. in Libya, Khavtar's attack was repulsed and now it is not the puppet government of France (as it was originally), but the puppets of Turkey. how the success of Azerbaijan will turn out is not yet obvious. if success is still there, then Azerbaijan will be heavily indebted to Turkey for its support, and this is oil and not the last country in the region ... besides, what an advertisement for Turkish UAVs after a chaotic performance in Idlib.

Quote: TermNachTER

Regarding the Maginot Line, if the Germans were already in Paris, why storm it? I had to wait a couple of days, the French themselves would have fled

quite right. operation started after fall of Paris, but its holding is a historical fact.
what for? can for the purpose of training and training troops. maybe for advertising and propaganda purposes ... in general, one way or another, but they did it.

[Andrey sh]

Its size is also much larger. So the question is how invisible it is to air defense ...

[sextant777]

Yes, even from these videos it is not clear how damaged the equipment, especially the tanks. Why don't the Azerbaijanis show the results of the hits, but only the arrival itself and the dust?
Naturally, this warhead is enough for infantry and lightly armored vehicles.

[Vadim237]

In fact, they showed it, and yes, after such minibombs with a warhead of 10 kilograms hit, all the equipment receives decent damage and in fact it is simply thrown onto the battlefield.

[Simargl]

Quote: Observer2014

Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

Is.
This is not a tactic.
This is dementia and courage.
Sadly.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Observer2014

It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

In the last century, the isoorthochromatic film Type 25K (if I remember correctly) already made such a disguise pointless. So it's not about the last century, but about the brains.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: Observer2014

It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

In the last century, the isoorthochromatic film Type 25K (if I remember correctly) already made such a disguise pointless. So it's not about the last century, but about the brains.

Exactly in brains. In the last century, I had a circle in the photo. My photos were even presented at one well-known competition. And by the way, of my achievements, there are eight Moons in my photo. I adored the widescreen camera "Amateur 2"

[Doliva63]

Quote: Observer2014

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: Observer2014

It is of course powerful to dig a trench on the top of the mountain. Bring Grad there. Put on the grid and say. I'm in the house.
Tactics of the last century. Are there any objections?

In the last century, the isoorthochromatic film Type 25K (if I remember correctly) already made such a disguise pointless. So it's not about the last century, but about the brains.

Exactly in brains. In the last century, I had a circle in the photo. My photos were even presented at one well-known competition. And by the way, of my achievements, there are eight Moons in my photo. I adored the widescreen camera "Amateur 2"

Yes, Lover was awesome! I also went through them - Lyubitel, Smena-6, Smena-7, FED, Sharp, a bunch of different Zeniths, including Photo-snipers, from the "imported" ones - a couple of Practitioners with a motor. And then - AFA on reconnaissance aircraft.

[Andrey sh]

If the net was thrown over the trench, hell would this drone see what.

[Vadim237]

Considering the resolution of the cameras of these drones, the operators would immediately see the grid on the trench.

[Andrey sh]

Well, let them see her. The main thing is that they will not see it underneath. Nobody has canceled false targets yet. And the resolution will not save - first you need to find a grid of the same color as the surrounding surface on a piece of ten kilometers. And this is not very fast ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Andrey sh

Well, let them see her. The main thing is that they will not see it underneath. Nobody has canceled false targets yet. And the resolution will not save - first you need to find a grid of the same color as the surrounding surface on a piece of ten kilometers. And this is not very fast ...

tell me, and the absence of other means of intelligence in your reasoning is the convention with which you intend to defend your position? preparation of positions, arrival of equipment, is all this also under the net and using the arrival of false technology?

[iouris]

It was not Azerbaijan that showed you: Turkish and Israeli equipment. They showed it. Or someone who owns inaccessible technologies. Thinking hard, thinking, what did they mean by that?

[edeligor]

I don't understand one thing - where are the Armenian electronic warfare equipment? Why are Turkish and Israeli UAVs doing what they want? In modern information support, a different picture, thrown off in time, is better than winning a battle.

[donavi49]

Burned down in the early days. And the benefits of electronic warfare are overestimated, to put it mildly. Rather, it is relevant for the technology of the 90s - early 00s.

Now every year UAVs are getting more and more autonomous functions. Work by type loaded the signatures of the goals, their priorities - launch-forget - this is already a prospect by the beginning of the 30th. There is electronic warfare, and in theory, even everything.

[edeligor]

And the benefits of electronic warfare are overestimated, to put it mildly.

Strongly disagree.

Work by type uploaded target signatures, their priorities - start-forget

Works for a long time. No future 30s. I mean, any UAV, even a kamikaze, even a Turkish-made heavenly slug, has a communication channel, and what a one! That's just not necessary to "crap in your ears" about super duper protection! No protection can cope with a directional EM effect, I don't even stutter about directional interference.

relevant for the technology of the 90s - early 00s.

It was then that damping algorithms for such a technique were developed.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: edeligor

Strongly disagree.

So give an example with evidence of the successful use of electronic warfare? There are many words, about the same Iranian RQ-170, here are only 0 proofs.

[Pissarro]

And the defense of our base in Syria? Perfume drones are launched every day and are completely unsuccessful

[OgnennyiKotik]

I wrote about this already.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

There is only one known successful anti-drone target, the Khmeimim base.

Joint air defense system consisting of:
• ZRPK short-range "Pantsir-S1";
• Osa-AKM short-range air defense system;
• S-125 "Pechora-2M";
• Buk-M2E medium-range air defense system;
• Long-range air defense system S-200VE "Vega";
• S-400 "Triumph".
• S-300FM "Fort-M" (missile cruisers "Moskva" and "Varyag" with combat service areas in the coastal waters of the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea).
• Electronic warfare "Krasukha-4".

They make up three echelons:
Long-range systems - the S-400 Triumph air defense system and the S-200VE Vega air defense system - provide long-range approaches to the defended object.
At medium ranges, the S-300FM Fort and Buk-M2E medium-range air defense systems are fighting the air enemy.
Short-range air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" and S-125 "Pechora-2M".

Let's add fighter and assault aircraft here.

All this combined can provide reliable air defense.

[Liam]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

I wrote about this already.

What drones are used against Khmeimim?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Liam

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

I wrote about this already.

What drones are used against Khmeimim?

Shalom! Kum vyatse?
Civilians with artisanal attached ammunition or artisanal with army grenades or homemade explosives

[Liam]

Noroc! We are fighting the second wave. How are you?
Therefore, I was surprised by the ranting about

There is only one known successful anti-drone target, the Khmeimim base.

.
What is the relation of these devices from the city of N and sticks from Aliexpress on electrical tape to a combat UAV.

[Krasnodar]

In Krasnodar, people in masks walk in the proportion of one to a hundred. Muscovites complain (or boast) that many have been transferred to a remote location.
Well, like, they also fly and can kill
And the goal is not easy

[Liam]

We have a mask obligation in any public place, including the street.
The difference between these devices and the UAV is about the same as between a home-made village scooter and a Formula 1 car)

[Krasnodar]

I agree, but if such garbage explodes near an aircraft worth tens of millions of tanks, you end up on expensive repairs and a decrease in the combat capability of the Aerospace Forces group

[Liam]

They burst like that. There were photos.
It's just that these statements are propaganda and self-deception. How Khmeimim's air defense will cope with an attack on real combat UAVs, no one knows, although you can roughly estimate. And building illusions based on successes with these rudimentary homemade products will end badly. Over the past year, this is the third theater of operations where Soviet The Russian air defense concept suffers a deafening failure in the fight against far from the most advanced UAVs of a rather secondary military and technological country like Turkey.

[Krasnodar]

In Khmeimim, training is underway to counter drones in principle. One of the tasks of finding the Russian Armed Forces in Syria is training. About if - but I do not know. Most likely, they would have pushed through the Khmeimim air defense system in bulk, but this is a war with the Russian Federation, and this is not the most pleasant thing for Turkey, and in principle not acceptable for most of the other NATO countries ..

[Liam]

)))
And what prevents to practice and please with success with real UAVs. There are at least three theaters where allies of Russia, armed with Russian air defense systems and trained by Russian instructors, with the partial participation of Russian personnel, are smashed to smithereens. Yet they look at these events, analyze and make conclusions. Fighting scooters on duct tape will not deceive anyone. Numerous videos with the Carapaces blown to smithereens are real and convincing, in contrast to the vigorous press releases about how the Carapaces smash scooters over Khmeimim.
And complacency that no one will dare to fight with Russia is a dangerous self-deception that will one day play a cruel joke

[Krasnodar]

In principle, I agree. The army must be ready to meet with any enemy, and the construction of multi-layered air defense centers is a priori pushed through by CD and drones.

[Liam]

The entire 100-year history of combat aviation proves convincingly and without exception that exclusively ground-based air defense will always lose with a bang to aviation. Aviation can only be defeated by other aviation.
The problem of Russia with the fight against attack UAVs is that the Russian Federation does not have such as a type of weapons, and it is impossible to work out any effective methods in the same exercises.

[Krasnodar]

Not always - 1970-1973 Soviet and Arab air defenses significantly reduced the effectiveness of Heil Avir, knocking him out as a means capable of determining or turning the tide of a war.

[Liam]

I think that the Israeli colleagues on the site will answer you in more detail than I do for this statement)

[Krasnodar]

Here I can act as an Israeli colleague who knows the military history of this country well)).

[Liam]

I know). It's just that I, too, am familiar in general with the twists and turns of the "strange war" and my assessment differs from yours in this part. But to argue / prove, the Israelis will do it more convincingly. If they read it)

[Krasnodar]

This is the 1973 war - the so-called. Oktyabrskaya
For the first time in three days of the war, the Arabs put about a quarter of the Israeli aviation's air defense, along with dozens of their aircraft, however
Then they tried not to leave the air defense umbrella, so the Israelis crossed the Suez Canal and crushed the air defense missile system with tanks
In the Syrian direction, the air defense of the Arabs remained effective
In 1982, the Israelis began a massive use of drones to break through the Syrian air defense in Lebanon.
That's the whole story))

[Andrey sh]

The story is that the Syrians did not launch anything modern across Israel. Nothing at all. It is for control systems and home aerodromes. And as you know, wars are not won by defense.

[Krasnodar]

How was it not allowed? There were OTRK strikes on the Israeli military airfield Ramat David after the retaliatory bombing of the Syrian General Staff and Air Force Headquarters in Damascus, this instantly stopped.

[Andrey sh]

Once? This is what was not used. Who prevents, in response to strikes from the territory of Libya, from launching air-to-surface missiles from there after every Israeli air raid? And the same for headquarters and warehouses?

[Krasnodar]

From the territory of Libya? Geography. History. And the possibility of the destruction of any Lebanese, Syrian, etc. hinders. cities by quarters during the day.

[sextant777]

Ahaha!
And who won in the first two theaters? Yours?))

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Liam

They burst like that. There were photos.

do you mean mortar shelling? where does the air defense and the UAV? heard the ringing but does not know where he is

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Liam

The difference between these devices and the UAV is about the same as between a home-made village scooter and a Formula 1 car)

Of course, it was made of guan and sticks, but they acted in a flock and from Amerovsky Poseidon they tried to bypass the means of suppression, not very successfully. and we slept and drones lost and ran into a scandal.
and so there the drainpipes break through the iron dome

[Egor53]

The militants in Syria are American fosterlings. I cannot believe that Americans do not provide their children with the necessary equipment.

[Petro_tut]

Against the baratkars in Libya, we worked well for the moment 29, and against Harold and zerbe SS 24, everything that moves, spread it, so as not to take off

[Reiter]

Do the Harpy spirits in service? They showed photos of drones shot down over Khmeimim, they were Chinese handicrafts. Their electronic warfare should bring down without problems. They cannot launch missiles and go directly to the target to drop a bomb over it. The proximity of such UAVs contributes to their detection and destruction. They cannot launch gliding bombs or missiles. But I think Khmeimim will cope with the Grpies, the question is in the quantity, they can overload the air defense. However, such air defense as above the base, will it be possible to create on the front line? All the way? I think that while it is not readily available, it is expensive, in addition, air defense facilities must be seriously protected from spirits.

[Petro_tut]

So give an example with evidence of the successful use of electronic warfare? Many words

Overflight of the destroyer "Donald Cook" Court 24 What is a bad example for you?

[donavi49]

Well, here I am writing. A little more and the signatures will be loaded either on the ground or in flight, and the drone will itself look for a target (probably this electronic warfare station) in the area and hit it autonomously. No communication channel.

And replacing satellite navigation will not help either. Now even commercial gyro controllers provide 200m error for 15 minutes of flight.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: donavi49

A little more and the signatures will be loaded either on the ground or in flight, and the drone will itself look for a target (probably this electronic warfare station) in the area and hit it autonomously.

It is unnecessary to do this even. Satellite communications simply cannot be drowned out from the ground, electronic warfare aviation is needed for this. It is just as hard to jam a radio channel. The signal is short, the frequencies change automatically, the antenna sensitivity is high, the signal filtering is of high quality, etc. The interference sector itself is small, you can fly around it. You can use a network of air repeaters, then in principle it is impossible to drown out the channel.
As the radio channel was used for control and data transmission, it will be so, ground-based electronic suppression (electronic suppression) is useless.
Ps Look how many analogues of Rubella-4 in the world, be surprised.

[donavi49]

Well, I wrote that pretty soon the set of functions will include features that bypass any electronic warfare. Just because they can act autonomously on targets.

[OgnennyiKotik]

I am a radio engineer and a military communications operator by education (although it was a long time ago), so I react sharply to the topic of electronic warfare. It's just that the blood from the eyes comes from what they write here. Electronic warfare is a necessary thing in the conditions of modern wars, but its principles are not understood correctly. Turning off your phone (or better to destroy it) at the position is also electronic warfare.

[Ali]

Quote: Ali

Quote: OgnennyiKotik VO topic: Bayraktar TB2 Turkish Attack Drone

As a radio engineer by education, blood flows from his eyes when I read here about electronic warfare and radar. The characteristics of the terrain are not affected by anything, the main mast is higher, it is possible to drown out the satellite and UAV signal from the ground from several hundred kilometers, the UAV control center is detected by radio channel and calculated at once, etc.

OgnennyiKotik. Learn radar, strategist - translator - propagandist! Highlighted by me, your expression completely speaks of your very weak knowledge in radar, as an engineer and not only!

donavi49!
This is what this little magpie wrote about earlier, not knowing the topic, and what he received from me in response, so he did not have and does not have faith!

[Ali]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It is just as hard to jam a radio channel. The signal is short, the frequencies automatically change, antenna sensitivity is high, high-quality signal filtering, etc. The noise sector itself is small, you can fly around it.

OgnennyiKotik. Write fairy tales again... Learn AFU (Antenna Feeder Devices)!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Sarcism (Greek σαρκασμός, from σαρκάζω, literally "to tear the flesh") is one of the types of satirical exposure, caustic mockery, the highest degree of irony, based not only on the increased contrast of the implied and expressed, but also on the immediate intentional exposure of the implied. Sarcasmized statements and fiction say one thing, but make it clear that they mean the opposite - for example, through mocking hyperbole or intonation.

[Ali]

OgnennyiKotik. Sly and quirky, and no more, not answering questions. And for this:

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The characteristics of the terrain do not affect anything, the main mast is higher

Tell us how the underlying surface affects the search for high-altitude targets smile

And to this, what do you say? - no knowledge, nothing to say?

[Andrey sh]

It has NO effect on ALTITUDE goals. This is the problem of detecting low-altitude targets and enveloping the relief using an altimeter.

[Yaik Cossack]

It was irony)))) and it all turned out to be ugly to distort.

Although usually the words "Soros" are the vocabulary of agitprop.

[Andrey sh]

They will not turn on anything - the radio channel, sensors, altimeters, guidance systems - hell without this, drones can fly at all. It is enough to force the altitude sensor to give the wrong data and the drone will crash. The same with positioning. The drone transmitted the coordinates, the rocket left, and in the coordinate the error is 10 kilometers - for example, it will fly to the Turks or Iranians and the Boska will be torn off in response ...

[donavi49]

Good luck jamming altimeter. You would have learned its principle of operation to begin with. Well, in which case, there is a duplicate option. And if you are completely confused, then you can screw the barometric one, there, even in theory, does not drag electronic warfare by the ears.

Guidance system - I repeat, you can buy a controller on Aliexpress that makes an error of 200 meters for 15 minutes of flight without satellite navigation. ANN cannot be fooled by any electronic warfare, there is a submarine inside the submarine and the chip analyzes deviations - building a route and defining itself in space. Such technologies are used even by designers from Idlib Aviation - who let birds in according to Khmemim.

The radio channel is needed only now. I have indicated the near future. When on the UAV, even before the start or already in flight (while the signal is there), you can load target signatures (SAM, radar, electronic warfare stations) and the detection / destruction area. Further, he himself will patrol the given area to identify and destroy loaded targets. Offline without communication. These technologies are now in active work. Probably in 5 years such drones / kamikaze will already fly.

[Reiter]

Altimeters jamming !? Omg! Yes, they are different, you know that most of them are still barometric.

[Andrey sh]

I know. But not all of them. On a barometric one, you cannot create an apparatus with terrain bending, you need a radio altimeter. A heavy drone at high altitude would be a good target for air defense. Their advantage is stealth. There are problems with inertial guidance systems and with guidance by satellites and with the determination of coordinates by satellite photos of the terrain from the internal base. Therefore, the operator is now sitting at the control. By the way, are you aware that short powerful video pulses can easily introduce errors into the operation of digital systems, the same microprocessors and sensors? Nobody will predict what the control system will receive even from a barometric sensor during such an attack, but the fact that it will not work out the program is sure ... So drones are a weapon against the poor and the underdeveloped.

[Reiter]

Sorry what? "By the way, you know that short powerful video pulses can easily introduce errors into the operation of digital systems, the same ..." How do you imagine video pulses? Maybe you mean EMP? Well, if so, then yes, but there is still no such weapon in serial form anywhere, he is only experimenting, and while it appears on the market and in the armies, the war in Karabakh and other conflicts will end or will lose their relevance. Now we must proceed from the fact that several countries can counter such unmanned vehicles, and then with a certain strain of their resources. This is not a trivial task at the moment. And if a similar tactic of using UAVs is used in Donbass by Ukrainians, then you will not envy the militia. I hope the curators are already thinking about how to oversee such a threat. After all, Ze already signed another contract with Turkey for cooperation in this area.

[TermNachTer]

By the way, one UAV has already flown into Iran. Tehran godfather wrote off a serious malyava to Baku. If such rotten show-off is repeated, the Tehran otvetku will be turned on. And if we consider that the normal road along which the supply of the southern group is going is one, goes parallel to the Iranian border, very close, that is, something to think about.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Ps Look how many analogues of Rubella-4 in the world, be surprised.

Rubella has only one analogue - measles. The same symptoms. Rubella - infection.
Krasukha - Russian family of electronic warfare (EW) systems.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Well done, noticed a typo, put + in your diary.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Well done, noticed a typo, put + in your diary.

I threw out my diary in the early 70s. And I made a remark only because I hate "experts" who even manage to make mistakes in the name of the product. Not typos, but errors. It's just that they "crap" from the heart the consonant words: rubella - rubella, cornet - lorgnette, trombone - sorry ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

That my tablet knows and writes, I do not always notice what he framed.
I accepted the comment and put "-" in my diary. Allow me to write further comments?

[Oquzyurd]

............

[OgnennyiKotik]

Comrade, ROSS 42, in punishment for his mistake, he was bitten by a cat and hit the door with his little finger.
Please remove the comment.

[air defense]

It would be so easy that the UAVs fell when the electronic warfare was turned on, but it is still possible to organize the operation of the UAV in conditions of strong interference and jamming of channels. Well, the electronic warfare itself is also a good target, with the ability of drones to detect targets at a distance of up to 30 km (in ideal conditions) and correct artillery strikes, MLRS.
That is, we again return to the fact that we need an integrated layered air defense system, ideally also with fighter aircraft, and all this is against drones.

[Operator]

Forget about electronic warfare - this is hanging noodles instead of adopting MNTK and KAZ.

[Vadim237]

Electronic warfare is primarily intended to jam the enemy's communication channels - but with the help of these means you will not drown out all the channels of the effect of EMP, and you are sure that the electronics of drones are not protected from this effect, their designers are clearly not but electronic warfare against IR, TV, laser Radars are useless.

[Veka]

Bayraktars are not the most advanced drones. I wonder how you will resist such birds as MQ-9 Reaper (ceiling 15 km) or YMQ-9A Predator B-002 (ceiling 18,3 km)? "Directed EM effect" of a hyperboloid, or should GPS satellites be turned off immediately over the region? Or to lift the AWACS A-50 aircraft into the air? It turns out a little expensive .. The drone will complete its task and fly away ..

[Prjanik]

Remarkable targets for Bukov, S-300 / S-400.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: donavi49

Burned down in the early days. And the benefits of electronic warfare are, to put it mildly, overestimated

Most likely, they were not there. And if there were any, they didn't know how to work for them. They were caught by surprise, by surprise.
Recently, in Idlib, the same Turkish drone was clicked very quickly. And not our calculations were sitting there, except perhaps advisers ... Something about 20 pieces of lost Bayraktars is remembered ... In any case, they were no longer present in the sky of Idlib. It's too early to bury electronic warfare.

[Krasnodar]

Idlib, Bayraktors ... as the Turks occupied it, they sit there, protecting their proxies

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Krasnodar

Idlib, Bayraktors ... as the Turks occupied it, they sit there, protecting their proxies

I'm talking about the offensive in Idlib of the Syrian army. Relatively recent. When the highway in Aleppo was unblocked, the Turks were significantly moved there along with the proxy. Don't you remember?
Syrian air defense during the battles in Idlib shot down five ANKA-S UAVs and seven Bayraktar TB2: diana_mihailova - LJ
There are other links, the Turks have not denied the loss. And the first ones are much steeper than Bayraktarchikov.

[Krasnodar]

I only watched whether the Syrians would recapture Idlib or not I didn't even know that they had moved something there.

[Yaik Cossack]

And how many Shells were destroyed?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Yaitsky Cossack

And how many Shells were destroyed?

How much? And where? In Syria, in Libya? In Karabakh? If you count by non-proper media, they haven't even made that much ...

[Yaik Cossack]

Well, young patriots of Chubays from United Russia still assure that all the footage of the destruction of the Armor by Jews and Turks in Syria is a video editing personally made by Soros himself.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Yaitsky Cossack

Well, young patriots of Chubais from United Russia to

Strange vinaigrette. Chubaisyats and EP. How are they mixed up with you? IMHO, implacable enemies. How many shells have drones "hammered"? I believe the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation knows the details to the last rivet. No wonder the talk about modernization began a long time ago. And the latest modification has already been released ... Perhaps it was she who was now tested in Syria. I am far from thinking that the Carapace is an indestructible superweapon. This is a near-zone air defense system, moreover, an object system, and not an army one. Has its own blind spots and detection limits for subtle objects. In short, the system is complex and requires training and "coaching" the crew to work with slow, stealthy drones.

[Yaik Cossack]

Well, apparently because of your young age, you don't remember that United Russia was invented and created by the outstanding "patriot" Berezovsky. But the Chubais oligarchs and the Chubais officials ruled the country as well as they rule. All of them got out of the Chubais-Yeltsin pocket. So we can't use drones - there is no element base. And electronics too. All hope for the Chinese. They got up from their knees.
So take offense at the truth in vain, hurray-patriots.

[Yaik Cossack]

And leave the wonderful mriyas "I suppose" to the kids playing dances. Drones have been around for a long time. Well, where is this all-wise and prudent General Staff? The answer is simple - money is sawed and stored in the West, models stuffed with foam are carried around exhibitions and they hope that the jingoistic patriots will continue to believe in their secret "successes."

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Yaitsky Cossack

Well, apparently because of your young age, you don't remember that United Russia was invented and created by the outstanding "patriot" Berezovsky

What a mess in your mind. Perhaps the dialogue is meaningless a priori. Thank you for your young age. I'll show my grandchildren ...

[Yaik Cossack]

That means senile dementia. You should see the doctors first.
Why do you Chubais people now deny the obvious facts?
Relatively recently, Yeltsin's daughter told right in their faces how Boris Abramovich created the party and even came up with the name - "United Russia".
Do you want a link, otherwise I can easily ... show your grandchildren too

[Vadim237]

Judging by what we saw from the very beginning of the war, the Armenian Armed Forces generally cannot work with anything other than a rifle station.

[TermNachTer]

Electronic warfare works in Syria, but does not work in NKAO - strange, right?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: edeligor

I don't understand one thing - where are the Armenian electronic warfare equipment?

It is clear where. Burned out already. Do you still believe in the prodigy of electronic warfare? So watch the video of destroyed repellents. How many examples are needed to understand that electronic warfare against military UAVs works only in the programs of the Zvezda TV channel?

[Oquzyurd]

During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

[OgnennyiKotik]

You can't believe without video.

War is the way of deception, deception is the way of war.

[Oquzyurd]

Ours do not lie about this, and there is no need for this. If there is no video now, it will definitely appear a little later.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Ours do not lie about this, and there is no need for this. If there is no video now, it will definitely appear a little later.

The principle of Instagram - did and did not post = did not

[Korsar4]

Press services appeared before Instagram.

However, there is one more of the commandments of the bureaucrat: “If you do it, write it down. If you didn't - write it down twice.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, but now the main thing is vidyuhi
They announced the capture of Hadrut - the Armenians posted vidyukh refutations - everyone believed them. Now Azerbaijanis have shown a video of an empty Hadrut, and a detailed one, everyone already believes AR

[Evil543]

The furry animal comes to Pashinyan. He lost the campaign, they will throw him out.

[Oquzyurd]

Yerevan is engaged in overt terrorist activities, Russian expert on international conflicts Yevgeny Mikhailov said commenting on the missile strike inflicted by the RA Armed Forces on Ganja on his Facebook page.

“Until now, no one has given a proper assessment of this. Only individual statesmen expressed their position on this matter. In my opinion, the world community needs to draw certain conclusions from this situation, introduce sanctions against the Armenian leadership, and as a result, when everything is over, bring Nikol Pashinyan and his clique to the Hague Tribunal, ”Yevgeny Mikhailov noted. Video https://minval.az/news/124045240

[Oquzyurd]

In the south, Iranians are greeting Azerbaijani soldiers from the other side, near the ancient Khudaferin bridge. And this is near the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. That is, the Armenians have left all positions in the south. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TIQGVNfLag&feature=emb_logo

[Egor53]

If this continues, then in a month Armenia will have nothing but small arms.

[Thrifty]

Fiery cat - here the problem is not in the availability, but in the correct use of electronic warfare. Firstly, they stood in positions that were also not disguised, the positions were not guarded, the complexes should work on the front line in an impulse mode, so that they did not have time to detect their coordinates, then a change of position so as not to destroy them. And then, hacked into continuous mode, the drone aimed a loitering ammunition, everything was clearly visible in the video! So, both the lack of disguise, and the lack of guarding the post, and the unwillingness to change position, the whole complex of inability to use complex equipment led to the destruction of the Repilents. ...

[strelokmira]

here the problem is not in the availability, but in the correct use of electronic warfare. Firstly, they stood in positions that were also not disguised, the positions were not guarded, the complexes should work on the front line in an impulse mode, so that they did not have time to detect their coordinates, then a change of position so as not to destroy them.

And then, hacked into continuous mode, the drone aimed a loitering ammunition, everything was clearly visible in the video!

There is nothing that the main task of electronic warfare is to clog the air and put interference, here the drone in the active mode, spitting on the set interference, directed a loitering ammunition, while being above the radiation source ...

[Andrey sh]

Let him first determine his coordinates and transmit them during the work of electronic warfare. Electronic warfare works in all ranges, laser illumination of observation devices is also electronic warfare for that matter. As well as radio direction finding with aiming its weapons at the radiation source.

[Cottager452]

... with the "right use", the commentators are crappy. Do you write "Dad" through "o" too?

[Jacket in stock]

Interestingly, if instead of a drone a package from "Grad" flew in, someone would write loud headlines, make a sensation out of it, write that everything is over, the war is over, as we knew it, that tanks are no longer needed ...? ...

And yes, would a disguise save him?

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Yes, it seems that hail is actively used there. The results just do not show against tanks especially.

[strelokmira]

Interestingly, if instead of a drone, a packet from "Grad" flew in, someone would write loud headlines, make a sensation out of it

Well, if there were guided projectiles on the hailstones, each of which would definitely hit its target while having a penny cost, they shouted three times louder

[donavi49]

1) Would suddenly save the majority. Here the projectile flies directly into the vehicle / infantry group. The hail is scattering over the area. If they pray well, they will only cut a little with small fragments, and the vehicle will remain operational. Just the prikopennost, the shafts are all in place, according to the Soviet textbook (except for equipment on the march).

2) The hail package must be sent somewhere. To direct it, you need target designation. These positions are not at the forefront. UAVs are still needed for target designation.

3) For the hail package, you can send your hail package to the response. All is well with the Armenians. According to Soviet textbooks. On the UAV, the answer, as we see, does not really work out. And the Azerbaijani batteries can seize the moments and process the troops in a brazen way. For the contaminated and flanking batteries burned out or urgently change positions after the neighbors burned out.

4) The feeling of complete hopelessness, which accumulates and will grow. That is, even in the deep rear, where no hailstones in theory will arrive, in a dark night they can fly in and throw. Again, hailstones / art on entrenched infantry is quite tolerable. And the crowding reflex in trenches, pits, dugouts has been developed for all videos.


Here it only works in the negative. For the operator adjusts the ammunition in the largest pile and it is also not a problem to bring it into the dugout.

Whereas if a packet of hail had arrived, they would have gotten off with fright, again if they had prayed to God and there would have been no accidental arrival where necessary.

[leks]

Hard video!
I would not like to be in their place (Armenians).
So little by little they will knock out all the equipment from the Armenians.
The Armenians have already lost technically, you cannot fight much on one fighting spirit and infantry.

[NTD]

Quote: leks

So little by little they will knock out all the equipment from the Armenians.

So already at least a billion was destroyed. The Armenians lost a lot of equipment and manpower. It will take tens of years to recover. They only lost about 17 people on the 150th.

Quote: leks

on one fighting spirit

What spirit? Their spirit is enough for sleeping peaceful people. Their spirit is highly overrated and highly publicized. Their respected spirit cries in the trenches.

[dmmyak40]

Do you think that Azerbaijani soldiers are taller? And this is shown by the videos from the UAV? Maybe I don’t know something: tell us about the exploits of Azerbaijanis during the Second World War or in the DRA. I will not talk about the Armenians, this is their concern. But about the Azeris as a soldier I read in the memoirs of one of the generals of the Second World War. When one Azerbaijani was killed in the front during the battle, the rest ran to him and began to mourn his death. Despite the ongoing battle and warnings from other soldiers and orders from commanders. And the Germans, don't be fools, threw a couple of mines there. And they put everyone ...
Then I met similar episodes a couple of times in the memories of soldiers.
I will say one thing, nothing is clear about this conflict yet ...

[NTD]

Quote: dmmyak40

tell us about the exploits of Azerbaijanis during the Second World War

Hazi Aslanov - Soviet military leader, Guard Major General, twice Hero of the Soviet Union. The Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper of December 24, 1942 wrote: “The history of wars has never seen fighters who fought as bravely as AA Aslanov and his fighting friends. No matter how strong the enemy tanks and infantry are, they cannot compare with the unit led by the mighty, strong-willed commander, Hero of the Soviet Union Hazi Aslanov. "

Mamish Abdullaev - Hero of the Great Patriotic War - for the courage shown in the battles on the Kursk Bulge. Machine gunner Mamish Shahbaz oglu Abdullayev was awarded the Order of the Red Star and the medal "For Courage" - posthumously.

Gazanfar Akperov - gun crew of the 1959 anti-tank artillery regiment of the 41st anti-tank artillery brigade of the 2nd tank army of the 1st Belorussian front, senior sergeant, Hero of the Soviet Union.

Mastan Aliyev - veteran of the Great Patriotic War, assistant commander of a rifle platoon of the 487th rifle regiment of the 143rd rifle division of the 47th army of the 1st Belorussian Front, foreman, Hero of the Soviet Union - awarded posthumously.

Shamsula Aliyev - deputy battalion commander of the 1135th Infantry Regiment of the 339th Infantry Division of the 56th Army of the North Caucasian Front, captain, Hero of the Soviet Union - posthumously.

Museib Allakhverdiev - Soviet officer, battalion commander of the 119th Guards Rifle Regiment of the 40th Guards Rifle Division of the 4th Guards Army of the 3rd Ukrainian Front. Hero of the Soviet Union, Guard Major.

Jamil Akhmedov - platoon commander of the 168th Guards Rifle Regiment of the 55th Guards Rifle Division of the 28th Army of the 1st Belorussian Front, Guard Lieutenant, Hero of the Soviet Union.

Museib Bagirov - Hero of the Soviet Union, participant of the Great Patriotic War. Bagirov, armed with his sniper rifle, killed 28 Nazis.

and many others.

You know another Azerbaijan along the way.

[dmmyak40]

Thanks for the information provided. Blessed memory of the defender of the Motherland !!!
Share information about Afghanistan.

[Andrey sh]

Actually, it was these "peaceful" people who started. Before that, having accumulated the same drones. Although during the day and not to monitor the air, this cannot be attributed to the technique, as well as shitty dug and camouflaged positions.

[Azis]

It reminds of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, when the Fritzes with impunity shot and bombed from the air, hunted for small groups and individuals. Now it is clear.

[Evil543]

At one time, they escaped from an incorrectly released floor package nur with su25. Well at least they ran down, but I think they broke the world record.

[Vadim237]

Interestingly, Spikes generally use with them that there is not a single video.

[voyaka uh]

Spikes have slightly different videos. If the missile is guided through an optical cable until the target is hit, then a high-quality image is transmitted to the very end, a fraction of a second before the explosion. You can distinguish the expressions on people's faces, like the mouth opens in horror. We had a video of the killing of militant commanders. Horror, of course ... wars of the 21st century

[Alex Justice]

For 52sec, the soldier flew 50m. Horror!
It looks like the fighters hear or see the bomb at the last moment, trying to scatter.

[Thrifty]

I will say one thing - there is simply no disguise! The equipment is either not entrenched, which is most often visible, or they mask it so that it unmasks itself, because the bush branches on the body of the combat unit differ in color from the landscape of the location of the military equipment. As, by the way, the color of the equipment, gray against the background of the forest - the target is still the same! Not in one video I will not see a CORRECTLY DISCOVERED technique! There is no desire to dig manually - dig in with the help of excavators, cover up the traces of vehicles approaching the position ...

[voyaka uh]

When will you (I mean the audience) begin to understand?
NO disguise will help. Collect at least the entire engineering corps
Russia with any engineering equipment and materials to Armenia
for the construction of a disguise - will not help.
Drones will see and destroy everything. Is that, to be buried meters deep into the earth.
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Until the sky is cleared of drones, disguise is a dead poultice.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Drones will see and destroy everything. Is that, to be buried meters deep into the earth.

Yeah and from the ground to carry out a combat mission. The grads in the video are clearly at the ready. We are not shown what happened before. There are a lot of videos where strikes take place in motion, at night.

[Thrifty]

Warrior - it's just that both sides do not know how to mask the technique, this is the first, the second drone is a technique that can and should be destroyed! The lack of an air defense system in Karabakh is one of the main reasons for such catastrophic damage in military equipment! !!

[NTD]

Quote: voyaka uh

Until the sky is cleared of drones, disguise is a dead poultice.

Yes, drone eyes allow you to see a lot.

[Andrey sh]

Do not talk nonsense. At least half of the drone's sensors will not penetrate a conventional camouflage net. This is not just a bunch of rags on a string. A dozen false positions under the nets and forward - shoot until it sucks with expensive ammunition. And as they wanted - they dig in the war for a week, and they fight for 10 minutes. So it was and will be. The most common hole dug in the ground during the Second World War saves you from a shell explosion a couple of meters away (the contusion will happen by itself). And a wet sheet shields infrared radiation, which is not very acidic, but with salt - and partially radio radiation. There was already a joke in Africa, when the French tried to find and destroy the tanks of the blacks. We tried for a long time - it didn't work out. So disguise is a necessary thing. Of course, no one cancels the other, the same air defense. But why such disorderly behavior of the military? Where do the Armenians have sky observation posts, for example? Some of the drones fly during the day and at the heights of destruction, even from the calibers of small arms. This is generally an axiom since the 1st world ...

[Reiter]

While you dig you for a day and they cover you, it's too late to dig if the drones are constantly hanging over them. The sky must be cleaned, but not with anything.

[Dikson]

Warrior .. - it is useless to prove to people here .. They, even seeing the equipment, clearly dug in, and disguised from the ground observer, will still insist .. This is the same case when a tank is aimed at the thermal imager and shoots through the wall of the house, covering the firing point .. People think in yesterday's categories of waging war ... Inertia of thinking. Other systems are also remembered here about electronic warfare .. But the point is different. Aiming at a target by operating frequencies, suppressing these frequencies .. - today it is a trifling matter, a fraction of a second for modern computer technology .. A simple everyday example .. - Everyone knows a moment from the field of sound .. Feedback - a microphone and speakers that start to ring and self-excited .. If earlier, special devices with dozens of buttons and controls, it was necessary to manually find this frequency, determine the band and only then crush it, then the next frequency .. then another .. - and all this with your hands .. now in In any Chinese karaoke center for everyday use, one microcircuit instantly performs this function ..)) What prevents a kamikaze drone from finding the radio frequency on which, say, a commander from an NP with his unit communicates and flying neatly to this NP? Without any manual control. Just according to the program. The frequencies at which the same S-300 works .. the operating frequencies of the radar .., tank radio stations .. All this is calculated and entered into the memory of the drone. further - a matter of technology.

[Andrey sh]

And there is no single carrier frequency. This is what gets in the way. You can find and track finding, but this technique will not fit on a drone. If the troops KNOW about aerial reconnaissance, why are they camouflaging ONLY from the ground enemy? There was no radar and air permanent cover in the 41st year. This is how they solved the problem of detecting an air enemy. Yes, roughly and at the last moment, but still. Putting at least a fighter with binoculars is not destiny? Is the thermal imager guided through the main WALL? Is there a video other than toys? It is difficult through a wooden or plasterboard partition, but it is possible ... Radar frequencies (combat) are classified and change.

[Dikson]

Well then, hang balloons with jammers over the positions? To arm airships with grapeshot and lasers? Uncover 80mm anti-aircraft artillery and shrapnel? to revive propeller fighter aircraft to combat UAVs? So such aviation will still be a loser .. - Don does not need oxygen equipment for flying at altitude, he does not get tired and can hang in the air longer ..

[malyvalv]

There would be a video with the destruction of well-disguised equipment - it would be a different story. In the meantime, we can state that there are no Armenians in disguise. Masking is not a panacea, but a means to reduce losses.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Pashinyan sold Karabakh to eliminate Armenia’s dependence on Russia militarily, and then economically, and move towards integration with the EU and NATO. Nagorno-Karabakh was a burden for the pro-Western Pashinyan.

The air defense of Armenia did not shoot down a single Bayraktar, the maximum that it hit was the An-2, which was launched specifically to open the air defense system of Karabakh. Wasps and Pines simply can't get hold of Azerbaijani UAVs.

Pashinyan would like to defend Nagorno-Karabakh, Armor would have been bought and supplied to the army of Karabakh long ago.

The price of one Armor is about 3 million dollars, which is not so overwhelming for Armenia.

This war is just a shame for Armenians.

[Krasnodar]

Carapace price? 11 to 14 million tanks

[NTD]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Pashinyan sold Karabakh to eliminate Armenia's military dependence on Russia

Sold? No. He lose. He didn't even lose, but the people who chose him lost. And Margarita Simonyan warned them that without Russia you will lose. But in the end, even ordinary Armenians and Armenians began to swear at Margarita because of foreign countries. So it is not only he who is to blame, those who supported him are to blame. He's an ordinary journalist. I got into politics. He doesn't even know his story because his grandfather fought for the Nazis. So as the saying goes. Every nation deserves the ruler they deserve.

You almost correctly said .... Pasha's goal was to remove the influence of Russia. Considering their biolaboratory and huge embassy staff. You will soon receive a second Ukraine in the person of Armenia.

[Wedmak]

Just someone was preparing for war, and someone was not? In my opinion so.

[rocket757]

So it is, they had to jump across the squares, but to run into the only real ally!
And the Karabakh sorosets are not very good at it, they are too independent.
Everything is predictable, and now they are only ready to make claims to those who now do not want to defend them very much.
A simple question, why don't you want to? Although we don't need such conflicts at hand, and then angry little ones and proud ones.
Those who didn’t jump, didn’t roll a barrel at each other, they helped and we will help, but the skakuas themselves, ourselves ...
P.S. what is every nation worthy of? The kind of leadership they wanted ... got it, is Russia also to blame for this?

[Ferrari Stradale]

Russia has sold 200 T-90s to Azerbaijan? 100 multiple launch rocket systems? Sold. Russia is really Armenia's only ally, amen.

[rocket757]

This is a serious application, but why?
With the purchase of weapons, in the world, there are no problems at all! Who is smarter, he does not make claims, but prepares as it should! He himself cannot, so he turns to an ally for help.
Only this is the catch, with multi-vector ones, only vectors can remain, and with the allies, the plug will come ...
We are tired of multi-vector, saving them, the pleasure is below average ... and with gratitude, the guaranteed flight is obtained.
It is necessary to act according to the mind, and not diverge into vectors ... all the seams will disperse.

[All the memories]

It was just that justice was done. The people are returning their ancestral lands. And the Armenians never had their homeland. They just don't stick to the ground

[Andrey sh]

So this is not the homeland of the Azeris if it comes to that ...

[All the memories]

Shusha was founded by the Azerbaijani Khan Panahali Khan in the 18th century. Stepanakert - Khankendi was the village where the Armenian servants of the Khan lived. So study history.

[Andrey sh]

Originally Azeri lands and the 18th century? Yeah ...

[All the memories]

And Armenia is our land. It was founded in the 16th century by Shah Ismail Safavi and named after Revangulu Khan. Hence Irevan. Under the terms of the Versailles treaty, our good politicians donated these lands to the Armenians. Learning history is not harmful

[Otshelnik]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469949033961114&id=100028380635231&set=gm.2671898756408964&source=48 сегодня ночью Елбрусом по спальному району Гянджи с территории Армении...то что видете малая часть ответки...думаю здесь никому не надо объяснять ,что это не град который по ошибке залетел.Они хотят нашего ответа по Армении но наши упорно не хотят подставлять Путина...

[NTD]

Quote: Otshelnik

tonight Elbrus in the sleeping area of ​​Ganja from the territory of Armenia

For this they lost a couple of million dollars of technology and at least 150 lives. I believe that the Armenians should find the Ishakyan who gave the order to shoot at the civilian population. He is to blame for the death of Armenian soldiers and the loss of equipment.

[Jacket in stock]

And I also remembered.
There are, however, anti-sniper systems, which crush the optics seem to be effective (Zvezda TV channel said, I saw). And it seems that our Americans made some claims that such blinding people appeared on our ships.
The drone footage shows that the dynamic range of their cameras is very poor, and the explosions are practically blind. Surely, if you shine such a camera into the lens with even a weak laser, such as a child's pointer, it will permanently lose the picture. In this case, there will be no question of any intelligence and any guidance.
Is it really difficult to build a spherical suppression system on the basis of a ready-made sector-oriented anti-sniper system?

[Vadim237]

Yes - from sticks and scraps of military equipment in the mountains and on the plains, the Armenian army will construct such emitters, for such systems it will also be necessary to create an accurate target holding system, radar and optical tracking systems - alas, the task of not a single research institute.

[Dikson]

Have you often seen laser pointers with a range of 8-10 km? ))

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Dikson

Have you often seen laser pointers with a range of 8-10 km? ))

What does pointer range mean?
Its range depends solely on the sensitivity of the receiver, theoretically the range is infinite, you can see it through a powerful telescope and from the moon.
And by the way, the power of the pointer is enough to blind the pilot on the plane, there were such cases, google it.

[Siegfried]

since the amount of explosives in such kamikaze drones is not so great, so maybe it makes sense to stupidly put the equipment under the roof? a low-power explosion over equipment should not cause serious damage. But it's even better to make the canopy more or less strong.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Siegfried

does it make sense to stupidly put equipment under the roof?

Do you think the roof will help?

[Petro_tut]

There were no bars on the windows

[Andrey sh]

Put 200 pieces and 1 real one and let them shoot.

[Vadim237]

23 kg warhead of "Harop" minibombs MOM L which Turkish shock drones launch a cumulatively high-explosive warhead 10 kg - sorry, but awnings and roofs will not save them.

[Operator]

Here some suggested to bury MBT, BMP, MLRS, etc. into the ground two meters. (like you need to disguise yourself - what kind of combat actions are) and create an air defense system around each single ground target, similar to the Khmeimim base

[Andrey sh]

Exactly. Bury and cover. And not one position, but a dozen false ones

[Operator]

Burying and surrendering is a great alternative.

[9PA]

Hmm .. and what the ripper is capable of .. here's your hats, here's your business according to ours. There is no developed civilian industry and no military one. And then again we will be offered to fight with our hats

[Vadim237]

Russia has all this in its hardware and is being tested, including kamikaze drones.

[Shiden]

Eugene and you just now realized this, here on the site there are a lot of those who only on films and the TV channel "Zvezda" about the exclusivity of the Russian soldier and weapons believe. Here is a picture of the war without beauty, and alas, it is much easier to discuss and criticize sitting at a computer than it turns out in a real battle. If you carefully watched the videos, you noticed that the soldiers scattered at the last minute and this is not a projectile, this is a controlled bomb because you will not hear and see your projectile.

[Alexey G]

Yeah. You can set up ambushes at least ... Put in a prominent place a couple of decommissioned or wrecked tanks and several infantry dummies. You can take store mannequins and put them in uniforms.
And somewhere close to disguise air defense or MANPADS ... What is called passive waiting. In addition, the propeller is noisy for bairakters. But that's not the point. At the moment of the attack, he will fly closer to the target and you can hit him with an arrow, a needle, or whatever the Armenians have.
Risky, of course ... but as they say, the need for invention ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alexey G

In addition, the propeller is noisy for bairakters. But that's not the point. At the moment of the attack, he will fly closer to the target and it will be possible to hit him with an arrow, a needle, or whatever the Armenians have.

So the problem is that the "arrows," needles "and" wasps "of Bayraktar, which the Armenians have, will simply not reach the height. On the footage of the first days of the fighting, this was clearly visible. The drones circled right over the heads of the Armenian anti-aircraft gunners, but they did not seen and not heard.
Even the ancient Armenian С300, and even then they are not seen.
Only the "tori" will help. And there are few of them. And they alone cannot cope, air defense is a system and does not work in the absence of a systematic approach.

[Vadim237]

One Thor at the Kamaz base has already been filled up.

[Alexey G]

The main principle! If whether there is no systemic air defense, then act from an ambush !!!
The wasp has a height of 5000 and if you shoot at the attacking drone from the mountain, you can get it!
"The report published by the Ministry of Defense of Syria provides data on the use of Buk-M2E anti-aircraft missile systems against Turkish troops in the conflict. And these data are very impressive, although here, of course, an amendment must be made to the fact that the air defense systems were used against not the most difficult goals.

So, according to the published information, a total of 2 missile launches were carried out by the Buk-M25E complexes at Turkish drones. As a result, 20 targets were shot down, 2 more were damaged, and only three launches were declared unsuccessful (miss). "
ttps: //yandex.ru/turbo/newizv.ru/s/news/tech/11-03-2020/bitva-za-idlib-kak-rossiyskie-buki-voevali-protiv-turetskih-bespilotnikov
And the Armenians have a BUK !!!

[Vadim237]

There is probably a beech - one but they do not have normal operators, like for all other air defense systems. Therefore, Karabakh is doomed to return to Azerbaijan, and the Karabakh army and the Armed Forces of Armenia are doomed to defeat and destruction - today, with the help of a kamikaze drone, the first Tornado was destroyed.

[aslanxnumx]

"Karabakh army" is a euphemism - it's time to get rid of it, If the Karabakh army existed, the dead would be buried in Karabakh, not in Armenia ...
It's a pity. When the sense of self-preservation will prevail in the Armenian society.

[Petro_tut]

Yes, take your time, live until Monday, a lot of interesting things are still in front

[Andrey sh]

Yes, because they did not observe! The wasp should easily take it. The question is just not from all angles and most likely you need to give target designation in which square to look for the target. The S-300 of old modifications won't even see them - it was not developed against drones.

[svoit]

Quote: edeligor

I don't understand one thing - where are the Armenian electronic warfare equipment?

Armenia probably does not produce them, and what others give, then in Armenia, and not in NKR, what they managed to bring to NKR was not in the air defense system and RTR and was already partially destroyed, the video was already

[svoit]

Quote: strelokmira

hammer the air and put interference, here the drone is in active mode

Probably it will be necessary to modify the electronic warfare a little, that it turned into something similar to an electron gun, focusing the EMP on the target, against the BP the KAZ should work well

[Reiter]

Yes, the American police are already using electromagnetic guns to stop the cars of violators.

[Antidote]

Yes .... Turks treat children like children, once again turning the great strategist.

[bukhach]

And who is your great strategist, if not a secret?

[Alien From]

As you can see, Azerbaijan was preparing for the war of the 21st century.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alien From

As you can see, Azerbaijan was preparing for the war of the 21st century.

And apparently serious
... The 2019 Drone Data book reports that Azerbaijan has Aerostar, SkyStriker, Orbiter 1K, Orbiter 3, Harop, Heron TP, Hermes 450 and Hermes 900. It states that Aerostar, Orbiter 1K and Orbiter 3 have been licensed to produce by Azad systems. ...
According to SUAS, in 2011, Azerbaijanis received an "Israeli UAV built under license." The message says that “Israeli UAVs Aerostar and Orbiter 2M are produced by the Baku company Azad
True or not, one has to guess.

[Alien From]

True or not, the result is there! It is worth considering!

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

News from a parallel universe. As the Bayraktars flew during the operation in Idlib, they still fly. They destroyed a lot of ground equipment, including Armor. Yes, Bayraktars were also shot down, let's put + for this great achievement like the "SAR army"
By the way, all this happened near the Khmeimim base and our radar with electronic warfare definitely participated in the work against Turkish UAVs

Do you even imagine WHAT will remain of Turkish aviation if all systems of one Khmeimim work on it? This is not to mention the fleet, or our systems and aviation in the Kuban, the Caucasus and the Crimea? Please do not confuse wild blacks / Arabs / Armenians and us. It can end very sadly in the end for the confused one. We have a different level of equipment, training and attitude towards service. Let me remind you - in 5 years, NONE of the missiles fell on Khmeimim. And we tried a lot. And the UAV, and the MLRS, and homemade products, than just bullets. Including, lo and behold, and Turkish weapons. However, the result is zero. Either the opponents are more serious about us, let alone the Turks. The only reason why Turkey has not yet received the full is NATO. Unfortunately, according to our leaders, they are not worth the third world risk.

[TatarinSSSR]

Write nonsense. Rockets fell on Khmeimim. SU-24M and a couple of buildings were damaged. And there are military victims. Info - google. With photos and videos. And don't bullshit about the fleet. Turkey has a strong fleet. Stronger than the Black Sea. And "not worth the risk of world 3" - this is our constant "to get on the cheek, express regret and indignation and turn the other cheek. Many times."

[Dikson]

Nothing, nothing .. Masha will dance a gypsy with an exit, Lavrov will defiantly ask whether they will give compote for dinner, our president will be offended by the knife in the back .. - and that's all .. We, Russians, can't start a war .. - we must then all save, heal and build. And the war itself will come to us .. It was necessary to start with Tbilisi. No. Even earlier. From Kosovo. After Yugoslavia, everything went well - nothing but griefs, concerns and deflections and concessions. Now it’s just a natural result of all this peace-loving, useless policy ..

[Dikson]

Especially on Khmeimim, nothing fell on one New Year's holiday .. Yeah .. So already believing in fabulous television commercials is very unhealthy ..

[Oquzyurd]

I want to thank our Israeli friends for Everything. Peacetime everyone is good, everyone seems to be comrades or friends. But when problems and trouble arise, then it is clear who is who.

[Dzafdet]

The Armenians do not have aviation as a class. And with masking the problem. What is the point of sculpting bushes if you can see the ruts from the wheels? Azerbaijan is better prepared for this war. Most likely they will beat Karabakh back. And then they can hit the connection with Nakhichevan ..

[Vadim237]

Most likely, they will simply take control of the road of life after all the equipment and personnel of the Armenian Armed Forces are soaked by drones.

[NTD]

Quote: Dzafdet

And then they can strike at the connection with Nakhichevan ..

You mean Zangelan. That is, a return to the old borders of Azerbaijan from the early 20th century? In the documents of 1925, Zangelan is indicated as part of the Jebrail district. In 1929, by the decision of the Transcaucasian SFSR, the villages of Nuvedi, Togud, Ernezir, and in 1946 - 4 thousand hectares of forest land were taken from the Republic of Azerbaijan and donated to the Armenian Republic.

As an Azerbaijani, I look forward to the day when the Zengilans will be able to return to their native lands. You can read the report of the State Statistics Committee. I hope after Karabakh another similar Pashinyan will come to power and we will return these lands too. https://www.virtualkarabakh.az/ru/post-item/27/108/zengilan.html
On the map of 25, you can see that these lands belonged to Azerbaijanis. The card is not Azerbaijani. You can find a map of the 20s on the net. Russian. Make sure it's true.

Mikhail Leontiev told the truth

A people that exists solely thanks to our support and the fact that we exist in general has no right to blackmail us with betrayal. Has no right! If someone opens a small mouth and says something like that, he must understand this fact - they do not have this right! Physically, there would be no Armenian and no Armenia, if not for us. It would not exist in nature, it could not be! ”, Noted Leontyev.

[Andrey sh]

1925 is NOT THE BEGINNING of the 20th century. Give data until at least 1910. And then it turns out that the area is neither one nor the other ...

[opuonmed]

the Turks of the United States are simple and NATO is playing off the peoples so that they could not solve the stalemate peacefully + the terrorists from Syria divide and rule! oil and gas in Baku that Turks and Europe need! and separate the tank from Moscow!

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Otshelnik

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469949033961114&id=100028380635231&set=gm.2671898756408964&source=48 сегодня ночью Елбрусом по спальному району Гянджи с территории Армении...то что видете малая часть ответки...думаю здесь никому не надо объяснять ,что это не град который по ошибке залетел.Они хотят нашего ответа по Армении но наши упорно не хотят подставлять Путина...

They weren't targeting the peaceful people. But they have no specialists to correctly calculate the flight trajectory. and here's the result ...

[Oquzyurd]

Yeah, 2 times this month, and both times "Elbrus" found a peaceful, populous city, and both times, when people are asleep, in the middle of the night.

[Andrey sh]

And the video of Azeri UAV strikes is just like daylight ... As well as military targets like bridges with cars on them. Both are "good" ....

[Oquzyurd]

Our "scads" do not hit cities, the more they do not hit cities that have nothing to do with the battlefield.

[Andrey sh]

These missiles have no accuracy. They beat them as they are - instead of air defense drones, they had to buy them. Although disgusting at night with drones, they did not launch attacks. And the Iranians have already found several TENS of ammunition on their territory, mostly from Azerbaijan. Oil and gas pipelines, power plants, dams, factories for the production of drones, ammunition and fuel near large cities are much more tempting targets with all the further problems - there will be no time for buying weapons and waving them around. And to close the air corridors for ANY flights - sorry, everyone was warned if anything. So they are fighting quite "civilized", albeit mediocre ... It was not the Armenians who bought weapons from everyone, and by and large there is no difference between Hitler and Aliyev - the scoundrels who provoked the conflict by their actions. Although Pashinyan did not crawl far from them.

[TatarinSSSR]

They shoot like partridges ..... This is what it means not to attach importance to the protection of airspace from UAVs and to conduct hostilities in the old fashioned way - preparing to defend only against manned jet aircraft and shock turntables. 20th century versus 21st century.

[businessv]

Earlier it was reported about the destruction of the Armenian army by the Azerbaijani troops of the S-300 air defense system.

Well, who has any doubts today about who exactly renewed this conflict ?!

[Oquzyurd]

Even a dog, when gnawing on a bone, opens its mouth according to the size of the bone. If the bone is larger than the open mouth, then the dog only licks the bone. The carabs are larger than the mouth of Armenia, and they should have understood this. Azerbaijan tried to persuade them for a long time to solve this problem without blood. for a very long time. They considered the persuasion to be cowardice and all these years were engaged in “praising the Armenian spirit.” We told them all these years that we did not want to fight, but did not say that we did not know how.

[karima]

Quote: Oquzyurd

They considered the persuasion to be cowardice and all these years were engaged in “praising the Armenian spirit.” We told them all these years that we did not want to fight, but did not say that we did not know how.

Yes, well done Azerbaijanis, to be sure, to plan a war competently and conduct it no less competently is not something you can buy. At what at all levels: military, economic, domestic-political and international-diplomatic. The question is, do they have an equally competent plan to exit the war. And this is equally important.

[Oquzyurd]

Yes, there is a plan. They are already hinting that they will stop the war literally tomorrow, with the conditions of Azerbaijan.

[karima]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Yes, there is a plan. They are already hinting that they will stop the war literally tomorrow, with the conditions of Azerbaijan.

Where can you find these conditions?

[Oquzyurd]

Aliyev's interview, RBK, Channel 1, if in Turkish, then NTV, A Haber, Haber Turk ...
In short, 5 + 2 districts, Karabakh has a status within the framework of Azerbaijan. That is, the civilian population of Armenians and Azerbaijanis of Karabakh will live together according to the laws of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, there will be no peace.

[cyborg]

Yes, you do not stop this war, you got into a tight spot. The Armenians will partisan, destroy your equipment from RPGs. You will lose tens of thousands of soldiers, but you will not get Karabakh. And if you continue to struggle, the Armenians will gouge the dam of the Mingachevir hydroelectric power station and half of Azerbaijan will be washed away.

[Yaik Cossack]

Nonsense. Guerrilla warfare is possible only with the support of the population. And the Armenian population is leaving and all will leave for their army. Otherwise it will be cut out.
In addition, the mountains there are not very forested. Aviation and drones will quickly reveal the partisans

[cyborg]

And the Armenian population is leaving and all will leave for their army. Otherwise it will be cut out.

This is why they will fight. For the Armenians of Karabakh, these lands are their Motherland. But why are Azerbaijani soldiers going to die? For the interests of the Turkish Sultan, whose shoes Aliyev is ready to lick ..

[Oquzyurd]

"But what are the Azerbaijani soldiers going to die for?" In Karabakh itself and the adjacent regions, which are also occupied, in them under the occupation of Armenians there are a total of 828 settlements (the Armenian population must be counted separately), in which only Azerbaijanis used to live, or in some of them there was a scanty number of Armenians. And we do not intend give them to the Armenians. This is our land.

[cyborg]

Here is an extract from the book of the All-Russian Population Census. The ethnic composition of Karabakh over the past two hundred years is indicated here.

As you can see, it was mostly Armenians who lived there. Well, why is this your land ??

[Oquzyurd]

Wiki is not a source, but a trash can. Find a normal source, don't be fooled.

[cyborg]

Well, is the table not correct ??
The wiki is a fairly reliable source, because any error is immediately corrected by the community ...

[Yaik Cossack]

Here you are, do not need this meaningless propaganda chatter and PPR. This is all fantasy. The inhabitants of Gadrut did not stay in the city, but left.
For decades, a propaganda machine has been working in Azerbaijan, where chauvinism and pan-Turkism has long gone off scale. Therefore, some of the soldiers are fighting for this idea, while for all the rest there is fear and terror. Therefore, they are at war and will not go anywhere. This is the eastern emirate, the Asian monarchy.

[Yaik Cossack]

Here you can admire the posts of the Azerbaijani participants. "Our land" and that's it. At the same time, I am sure that they are writing from the Russian Federation. But it seems to them that they have the right to nationalism, while the Russians should not. They will probably even be very surprised if they hear this, but already in their own address))))

[Andrey sh]

To expel everyone and annex Russia back - then there will be peace there. It is enough to look at Crimea and Donbass.

[karima]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Aliyev's interview, RBK, Channel 1, if in Turkish, then NTV, A Haber, Haber Turk ...
In short, 5 + 2 districts, Karabakh has a status within the framework of Azerbaijan. That is, the civilian population of Armenians and Azerbaijanis of Karabakh will live together according to the laws of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, there will be no peace.

Eh no dear, this is not a plan. Sorry for the late reply. This is a surrender offer. Which is quite legitimate. But this is not a plan to end the war.
Example: Are there lists of Azerbaijanis evicted by Armenians? And, to the best of their ability, Armenians (peaceful) who lost their homes?
What compensation will be required to bring people home?
Previously, he wrote that Azerbaijan SHOULD organize a group of lawyers, notaries and historians to draw up this plan.

[businessv]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan long tried to persuade them to solve this problem without bloodshed, for a very long time. They considered the persuasion to be cowardice and all these years were engaged in "praising the Armenian spirit." We told them all these years that we did not want to fight, but did not say that we did not we know how.

Please explain to me this. You are fighting for your territories, where your citizens are not. What do you want to do with them next? So you fought them off, cleaned them out, all the Armenians left there, and you killed those who remained, what next? There is no one there, only the land on which no one lives and there is no certainty that anyone will settle there. What is it for you? Amuse your pride by proving how cool you are? Just look at the situation from the outside and understand our attitude towards it!

[Dikson]

So many copies were broken here .. both specialists and sofa strategists ..)) gentlemen officers, sergeants and foremen .. be patient a little .. - by the New Year you will find out how much our camouflage is better than the Armenian one, and how Russian gouging will cope with Turkish and Israeli UAV in the sky of Donbass .. all this is sad.

[Yaik Cossack]

It is a pity that the ingenious sofa strategists and the local jingoistic patriots will not experience this for themselves))) Armenian generals were probably also sure in recent years that they didn’t care

[lopvlad]

Disguise doesn't help

no camouflage will help if you bomb from above flying over objects at a height of several meters.
Azerbaijan is a wealthy country and can afford to spend money on expensive combat drones.

[Dikson]

Poor Ukraine will be helped by rich Turkey, non-poor Great Britain, Israel, which is modestly silent according to the national tradition about its income, and America, which is rotting from the abundance of dollars. or will we fight back with minuses?

[lopvlad]

Quote: Dikson

more arguments?

arguments in response to what? You write as if Azerbaijan did not buy drones from Turkey and Israel at the market price and someone donated them. As for Ukraine, it has no money, unlike Azerbaijan, to buy modern weapons.
The US "rotting from the abundance of dollars" is rotting because it does not distribute anything to anyone for free, especially modern weapons.

[Victorm]

Quote: Vadim237

Interestingly, Spikes generally use with them that there is not a single video.

They apply, there are many videos, watch on the channel of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.
Spikes are beyond praise for both wars of the last, suffice it to say that only two crews of the record holder, for a couple, destroyed only 23 tanks of the Armenian Armed Forces, plus a BMP-1 / -2 trailer and motorcycle leagues. In one case, this is an ATGM on an Israeli 4x4 armored vehicle. Moreover, for these particular calculations, the effectiveness of this Israeli ATGM is 1,0. In general, due to the high cost, it would be worth combining
The presence of a control system with the implemented "fire and forget" principle, with a prepared calculation, would have left no chance for a more modern tank with counter systems, and many Armenian T-72s do not even have dynamic protection, that is, there are ZERO chances at all.

Azerbaijan is a small country with large neighbors, therefore it has a large number of ATGMs, of different types and countries of origin. In general, after the end of hostilities, it will be interesting to compare the statistics on the ATGM Spike, Kornet, Skif, if the Azerbaijani Armed Forces used all three.

[Andrey sh]

Small, but utterly militarized, since it has a LOT of types of weapons ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: VictorM

Azerbaijan is a small country with large neighbors, therefore it has a large number of ATGMs, of different types and countries of origin.

with three of which (Iran, Turkey, Russia) in case of war, how many ATGMs do not buy all one during the day, you will throw out the white flag, and Georgia and Armenia combined by population is less than one Azerbaijan.

[mihai_md2003]

It's a shame to watch. Like children. What could the Russian military counter to such an attack? A couple of electronic warfare systems?

[Dikson]

Now they will sing you a song about the almighty Khibiny, accelerating American destroyers to green diarrhea ...

[cyborg]

Iskander and Caliber strike against enemy infrastructure.

[Andrey sh]

From banal Shilok with Shells to turntables and tactical complexes. In addition to electronic warfare, of course. But why the same Armenians did not make false positions and did not organize the simplest air defense - well, such warriors. Yes, and sabotage groups that those of others are not involved at all.

[Yaik Cossack]

Oh, another specialist in the organization of air defense. You would have taught them, I believe with pleasure, and dug a million running meters of false trenches. And naive Turks would get lost in them. Great plan!

[Vadim237]

Integrated and well-coordinated air defense as well as fighter aircraft - I think that even the Ka 52 could cope with kamikaze drones, he could have a radar station and there is a 30 millimeter gun.

[Yaik Cossack]

And a submarine with holy Calibers to Lake Sevan! And the Ka-52 will still be looking for drones on the entire front, around the clock, whack-whack, probably 200 pieces of them are needed for the entire length. At the same time, in the settings, we will select the option - "invulnerability from Azeri air defense" Great idea, great idea. And a couple of divisions of rocket-carrying aviation would not hurt.

[Vadim237]

I'm talking about Russia and not about Armenia, we have the Gamma radar, Podlet and others to detect trifles, and they all work in complex with all ground and air defense systems that have on board the radar - ask how many drones were shot down on the approach to Khmeimim. The Armenians have nothing like this, and the operators of the air defense systems of the brakes are still the same.

[Yaik Cossack]

Turkish and Israeli drones have never attacked Khmeimim. Therefore, your words are not true.
Home-made drones of barmaleevs made from household drones bought on Ali-express were launched on Khmeimim. Even they were able to disable 4 aircraft. Such, but shoot down and jam electronic warfare. The technical level of these drones is the aircraft modeling circle of the House of Pioneers.
So while there is nothing to be proud of, alas.

[mihai_md2003]

Seriously ? will you chase a relatively small drone in a helicopter and shoot it with a cannon?

[lopvlad]

Quote: mihai_md2003

And what could the Russian military counter to such an attack?

we write the question on paper, seal it in an envelope and send it to the address "Syria, base Khmeimim".

[Victorm]

Quote: Semenov Kolka

Is there a video confirmation?

Yes, only two, no third. One in motion on the march, one in static. Here these videos are posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR32uhcyI1A&t=2s

[Victorm]

Quote: Andrey sh

Small, but utterly militarized, since it has a LOT of types of weapons ...

Why militarized, look at the numbers and remember the state of the units - anti-tank weapons back to back.
Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles are needed. Remember the staff and tactics of anti-tank units, up to a separate battalion of a number of small European countries during the Cold War - something similar is needed.

[Vadim237]

So Azerbaijan is buying Spike ATGM from Israel now it has more than 200 units and several thousand missiles, including those with a range of 25 kilometers - so what and Azerbaijan is definitely not afraid of tanks.

[lopvlad]

Quote: VictorM

Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, we need more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles

Do you seriously think that even if Azerbaijan forces its entire territory with weapons, it has chances even in a war with Iran? I am generally silent about modern Russia, because even in essence, the Soviet-style army smeared Georgia in 2008 on old half-work rubbish.

[Gunther]

Quote: Oquzyurd

During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

It's hard to argue with a believer, and it's not necessary, well, a believer wants to believe in Superman, who, pulling up his red panties, pulled on tights, fights for world peace, well, don't hey believe.
Although the crafts of the Turkish-Azerbaijani agitprop advertising unmanned vehicles are far from marvel, they are more likely a relative of asylum products with plasticine chupacabra.
Reminiscent of an F-15 advertisement:
https://topwar.ru/23890-nepobedimyy-f-15-kak-siriycy-podrezali-orlam-krylya.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5702723908

I remembered the statement of President Aliyev about the "capture of Hadrut", military commander Semyon Pegov refuted this statement by Aliyev with his report from Hadrut, in response, terribly offended by the military leader Pegov, a criminal case was opened in Azerbaijan.

[Victorm]

Quote: Gunter

Quote: Oquzyurd

During the fighting in Fizuli-Jabrayil direction over the past two days, three Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armenian Armed Forces were destroyed with an accurate blow, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

It's hard to argue with a believer, and it's not necessary, well, a believer wants to believe in Superman, who, pulling up his red panties, pulled on tights, fights for world peace, well, don't hey believe.
Although the crafts of the Turkish-Azerbaijani agitprop advertising unmanned vehicles are far from marvel, they are more likely a relative of asylum products with plasticine chupacabra.
Reminiscent of an F-15 advertisement:
https://topwar.ru/23890-nepobedimyy-f-15-kak-siriycy-podrezali-orlam-krylya.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5702723908

I remembered the statement of President Aliyev about the "capture of Hadrut", military commander Semyon Pegov refuted this statement by Aliyev with his report from Hadrut, in response, terribly offended by the military leader Pegov, a criminal case was opened in Azerbaijan.

War correspondent is a profession, not a sexual orientation like Pegov's. Well at least this hero of our time was not compared with Ernest.

[Dilettante grandfather]

The camouflage should mask the technique, and not shout: "Look, here, in an open field, a bush has grown, just the size of a tank!" It seemed to me alone that she, the disguise, was at the level of "I am a cloud, a cloud, a cloud, I am not a bear at all"? ...

[Victorm]

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: VictorM

Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, we need more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles

Do you seriously think that even if Azerbaijan forces its entire territory with weapons, it has chances even in a war with Iran?

With Iran, the chances are generally sea, as its aggression will provoke a riot in South Azerbaijan.
It is possible to stop tanks and armored vehicles in our case and on our terrain. And the rest is easier to handle.

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: VictorM

Having such neighbors - Russia in the north, and Iran in the south, we need more means of fighting tanks and armored vehicles

I am generally silent about modern Russia, because even in essence, the Soviet-style army smeared Georgia in 2008 on old half-work rubbish.

You compared it is known that with a finger, about 08.08.08., It is largely the merit of the Russian special services, and not the army, which even received everything on a silver platter and did not shine in general. Only the actions of individual commanders and military personnel deserve admiration.

The threat of large losses is clearly not a threat of "unacceptable damage", but a sufficient deterrent.
It would not occur to you to tell the Finns, they say, why does Finland need an army if one of the probable opponents is the Russian Federation?
The Finns will plunge you into ... history and as I understand everything on this, the conversation will be over.

[Old tanker]

The "disguise" is absolutely illiterate. It does not hide the technology, but makes it stand out against the background of the terrain.

[bukhach]

Quote: Buhach

And who is your great strategist, if not a secret?

For what, daddies !? I just wanted to find out about the great strategist, and obscurantists threw minuses for their craving for knowledge! They're just animals, not people!

[Bio Robot_2]

K (a) ra (ba) x Pashinyan

[Gelos]

Kindergarten ... Just like in a shooting gallery. Where is the electronic warfare, where (to hell with it!) - Shell? Is everything sold privately? ...

[Denis Minakov]

The trenches are a thing of the past ... I watched the plot on Anna News, where the background is shooting from drones. The guys jump into the trench, and the ammunition immediately flies there. I feel now, under the impression of this conflict, all small countries will begin to purchase these drones. All conflicts will unfreeze

[Old Orc]

Tell the illiterate. If we extract 100 caliber anti-aircraft guns from the USSR storehouses and take guided projectiles with a laser with a high-explosive charge, is it possible to remove a drone at an altitude of up to 12 km with one projectile. especially considering modern video detection tools?