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NI called the new DPRK tank "just another version of the Soviet T-62" and were surprised at its sandy camouflage

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The American analytical publication The National Interest published an article by columnist Caleb Larson, dedicated to the new main battle shown at the parade in Pyongyang the other day. tank North Korea. Even its name is unknown.


From the footage from the video, the author came to the conclusion that this is most likely another version of the old Soviet T-62, on the basis of which all the tanks of North Korea were created. The author came to this conclusion, despite the presence of obvious differences, including such as the number of rollers.

It is noted that the designers are unlikely to go to the creation of a completely new machine. The author believes that the tank was given "new angular and modern contours of the hull and turret of this new platform", which make it look like the same "Abrams". Probably, it was able to give it some of the elements and functions that tanks such as the American M1 Abrams or the Russian T-14 Armata tank have. But in principle, by design, it is still not a tank created from scratch.

The relatively compact size of the tank and its lower weight are noted against the background of the 70-ton M1 "Abrams", which is explained by the conditions of the terrain where lighter vehicles have advantages. Judging by the picture from the parade, the main gun is possibly smaller than the 120mm gun of the American vehicle. According to the author, the tank may have a 115 mm gun, and the lack of power due to the smaller caliber may be partially compensated by the longer barrel. But this does not necessarily mean increasing the effectiveness of the gun. A pair of anti-tank missiles have been noticed on the right side of the turret, which may be replicas or variants of an older Soviet-designed anti-tank missile.

Caleb Larsen doubts that the tank has the latest composite armor, although this is difficult to confirm or deny. But, in his opinion, North Korea would like observers to think that this is so. The rear of the turret and hull is covered with armor plates to minimize damage caused by high-explosive anti-tank ammunition. But this ammunition is not modern, although it can be quite effective.

The author was surprised by the sandy camouflage of the armored vehicle. This camouflage is clearly not for North Korean conditions. In this regard, the question arose about the area where Pyongyang is going to use such tanks.

In general, there is still little information about the new DPRK tank. It is not even known whether its serial production has begun or is it just a prototype for demonstration at the parade.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 October 2020 10: 45 New
    +6
    7 roller T-62, this is, in any case, a vehicle with a higher carrying capacity ... And, therefore, with better booking. Everything else depends on the "brains" and optics. And even the old 125mm 2a46 is still "quite good" if the MSA allows you to hit day and night.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 October 2020 00: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      7 roller T-62, this is, in any case, a machine with a higher carrying capacity ...

      In addition to 7 rollers, the driver sits in the center, and in the T-62 he sits on the left side, and it is not so easy to transplant him. And if you also remember that the commander with the gunner was moved to the right side, and the loader to the left, and the T-62 cannon on the left side is almost impossible to load, which means that the cannon is replaced.
      The lower frontal plate is like that of Abrams (that is, the body is of a different shape, and not just elongated to the roller), the engine is supposedly 1200 hp
      And what is in it from the T-62?
      1. _M_
        _M_ 15 October 2020 02: 39 New
        +1
        I can say one thing - you are very attentive. good
  2. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 14 October 2020 10: 47 New
    -18 qualifying.
    So Koreans often glue all sorts of shocking crafts. Moreover, the war in which they use tanks and will not lose for them will no longer be.

    They really don't have the technology to make a breakthrough in relation to the T-62. There are no thermal imagers, no automatic loaders, no special steels and composites, no new information technologies.
    1. nemez
      nemez 14 October 2020 10: 56 New
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      Are you thinking strangely, they learned how to make rockets, but the tank is difficult ?! I had no doubts. The Chinese could help them, if anything.
    2. Bobrick
      Bobrick 14 October 2020 13: 28 New
      +1
      They may have problems only with thermal imagers due to the lack of rare earth metals (although North Korea is rich in polymetallic ores).

      Everything else in the DPRK can be solved, since it is not a typical country of the 3rd world, only with atomic bombs, but a country of the level of a successful post-Soviet republic (in terms of production and development of heavy and special engineering, they exceeded or were generally equal to Ukraine in the 00s ).
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 14 October 2020 16: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Bobrick
        They may have problems only with thermal imagers due to the lack of rare earth metals (although North Korea is rich in polymetallic ores).

        Everything else in the DPRK can be solved, since it is not a typical country of the 3rd world, only with atomic bombs, but a country of the level of a successful post-Soviet republic (in terms of production and development of heavy and special engineering, they exceeded or were generally equal to Ukraine in the 00s ).



        So Ukraine in the XNUMXs cannot make tanks at all :) in any case, without the Soviet reserve and Russian components, Ukraine in the XNUMXs did not make a single tank.

        Then, decide how: to build one working prototype by a pair of research institutes and manual assembly from parts from the alibaba and start mass production of the same automatic loader and all its components - these are two big differences.
        1. Bobrick
          Bobrick 15 October 2020 09: 54 New
          0
          What other Alibaba? Or since when are tanks on Aliexpress sold?

          Considering what a mess was going on in Ukraine, it is not surprising. But it didn't stop them from developing and producing the same GTEs (the order was from Russia for turboprop, helicopter and ship GTEs, as opposed to tanks). The market settled, but not the "backwardness" of the Ukrainians.

          So you decide on the size of the series to begin with. They don't live in the Soviet Union - there is definitely no need to release 2 tanks a day.
          Here are 30 cars a year can be assembled in this way. They will write instructions to the research institute in more detail, invite specialists from the pilot plant, change the design and normally, and then even though the dimensional chains are calculated for washers under the support of the gear ring of the rotary mechanism, the main thing is to produce 30 cars a year.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 15 October 2020 17: 36 New
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            Alibaba is an aliexpress for business. There you can buy all sorts of servomotors, reed switches and other hall sensors. And controllers, yes.

            Engines, yes, but not tanks. Only components, but not complex (relative to components) products.

            The problem is not in batch size, but in maintaining reliability in batch production. What 40 top-level engineers will debug in a year cannot be mastered by one and a half engineers and a hundred workers. And 1200 top-class engineers may not be found to make 30 products a year. I am silent about the cost price.
            1. Bobrick
              Bobrick 15 October 2020 17: 59 New
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              You can't buy everything on an alibab for sure - finding an ordinary mechanical steel caliper of high accuracy will already be an achievement.

              You are definitely writing about the DPRK now, only an African country can manage not to reproduce servomotors now, but certainly not a nuclear power that has 2 of the 3 components of the nuclear triad (and they are definitely needed, at least for the control system of the control planes of the rocket, as well as Hall sensors)?

              According to their data, there are more engineers in the country than in modern Russia (about 1 million, with a population of 22). The level of production automation is also higher, despite the fact that the electronic industry appeared in them in the 70s and 80s.
              This industry still works and even produces relatively modern components (for modern military electronics, with the right approach to design, the capacities of the 90s are enough, some stories from the USA with the search for 86 series processors confirm this, and those processors copied all and sundry).

              The problem of cost in their case is not a problem - labor costs a penny, and the economy is socialist, in which such problems are leveled to some extent.
              The decline in quality is the same strange question, with very harsh penalties for violators of labor discipline.
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 15 October 2020 18: 43 New
                +1
                Don't read propaganda before lunch. All these nuclear missile projects are at the level of the 60s, I repeat.
                1. Bobrick
                  Bobrick 15 October 2020 19: 09 New
                  -1
                  Read less pro-Western articles. North Korea passed the level of the 60s in the 80s (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwaseong-5 is just a copy of a rocket developed in the 60s, moreover, modified and put into production in the 80s).
                  Now they have a confident minimum level of the late 70s, early 80s with analogue complexes Temp-2C.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 14 October 2020 19: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Bobrick
        this is not a typical third world country, only with atomic bombs, but a country of the level of a successful post-Soviet republic
        technologies, technologies ... without technologies and factories that ensure production, it is impossible to reproduce the corresponding technologies. Modern ones, for example. Well, you cannot make an LCD monitor on the basis of the 60s, you cannot make a normal thermal imager on them.
        For that you can roll out the carcass of a tank, make a rocket, make an atomic charge. These are technologies of the 60s.
        1. Bobrick
          Bobrick 15 October 2020 09: 44 New
          0
          It's just that all the technologies that you have listed are based on developments of a maximum of the 60s (even a CNC machine was produced in the 50s, a modern-type thermal imager was also of the 60s, liquid crystals generally go away in the 30s).
          At the same time, North Korea back in the 80s was not a country that lagged behind South Korea so much and at the same time carried out its own experimental and research work with the launch of samples in series.

          So there is no problem even with such "modern" equipment if there is interest from the state, supported by material (labor, equipment, etc.) and information capabilities (industrial espionage, bribery, etc.).
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 15 October 2020 17: 40 New
            0
            No, both machine tools and electronics fifty years ago, although based on the same physical principles, have completely different capabilities. Russia overpowers the production of processors twenty years ago with great difficulty and enormous cost. And this is with a conditionally open market and the ability to buy technology.
            1. Bobrick
              Bobrick 15 October 2020 18: 17 New
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              Well, there was no reduction in production and the re-profiling of a huge number of enterprises, as well as the departure of most specialists, like the 90s in the CIS countries, in the DPRK, as well as modern effective managers.
              And Russia is not an indicator in such matters - the success in 5 years of import substitution in agriculture is staggeringly small (more than 80% of imported fodder beets, import substitution in animal husbandry turned into the purchase of seed material, not head of cattle, its own breeding base has not been created etc).

              Sufficiently perfect industry at the time of the collapse of the USSR in the DPRK, incl. electronic was, as well as trained personnel.
              There were also supplies of equipment from socialist countries of the 80s. various automated systems (and considering the level of equipment at that time, copying of 86 series processors is really possible on such equipment).
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 15 October 2020 18: 40 New
                +1
                Wasn't it in the DPRK? Are you seriously? The nineties were a much more difficult period for the DPRK than for the CIS. Starting naturally with hundreds of thousands of starvation deaths.
                1. Bobrick
                  Bobrick 15 October 2020 18: 52 New
                  -1
                  There were, only the machines were not handed over for scrap.
                  And how to look, no matter how mortality in the 90s in Russia may turn out to be higher, and there were also thousands of starvation deaths.
  3. URAL72
    URAL72 14 October 2020 10: 51 New
    +2
    A regular article to fill out a heading for 30 pieces of silver. The 125 mm cannon has long been produced in the DPRK, and really NOTHING is known about the tank itself. Preschool level.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 14 October 2020 11: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: URAL72
      A regular article to fill out a heading for 30 pieces of silver.

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  4. Alien From
    Alien From 14 October 2020 10: 53 New
    +2
    The author is just right to guess on the coffee grounds ...
  5. yehat2
    yehat2 14 October 2020 10: 55 New
    +6
    Caleb Larson should be reminded that the Chinese weren't bothered about modern composites - they just made from what is a geometric meter of armor, where there are 2 spaced plates and a bunch of affordable and simple filler. And do not care what the resistance of the material. A meter of thickness is a meter.
    By the way, it looks like a leopard armor.
    In addition, the Americans do not have many tanks, but a lot of lighter vehicles. Koreans will gladly meet with Bradley or a striker or a floating armored personnel carrier.
    So the Koreans will have a good tank and will be useful. And Abrams can be knocked out with simple artillery.
  6. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 14 October 2020 10: 58 New
    -6
    The author was surprised by the sandy camouflage of the armored vehicle. This camouflage is clearly not for North Korean conditions.

    The color of radioactive ash, typical for the future territory of the South Caucasus.
  7. Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 October 2020 11: 11 New
    +2
    The author was surprised by the sandy camouflage of the armored vehicle. This camouflage is clearly not for North Korean conditions.
    Or maybe they are for the prairies of Arizona bully laughing Okay, okay. Just kidding. They can do what they do. The people are satisfied with them? It seems they are satisfied. There is a sense and purpose of the state. There is. So let them do it.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 14 October 2020 11: 54 New
      +4
      This is the only thing with which I agree with the author. Everything else is a finger in the sky: "it is certainly yes, but still no."

      Indeed, the sand camouflage somehow does not fit with a possible theater of operations on the Korean peninsula. Most likely, this tank, or a technology demonstrator for export, is focused on some countries where such a coloring makes sense
      1. Bobrick
        Bobrick 14 October 2020 13: 34 New
        +2
        Some African countries have cooperated with the DPRK on the supply of weapons. Ethiopia (just suitable for camouflage), for example.
        Maybe exhibition samples for them? Here the question is really: how to overcome the international embargo?
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 14 October 2020 14: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Bobrick
          The question is, how can the international embargo be overcome?

          North. Korea has sold weapons in the past. So, if there is a buyer, there will be a way to sell it.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 14 October 2020 11: 57 New
      +3
      Are the people satisfied with them? It seems they are satisfied. There is a sense and purpose of the state. There is. Let them do it.


      In this regard, they are ahead of the whole planet !!
      Add to this the absence of social stratification in society .. negativity and anger at each other .. And it turns out quite a happy people who, moreover, know what they live for ..
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 14 October 2020 12: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: Roman070280
        Are the people satisfied with them? It seems they are satisfied. There is a sense and purpose of the state. There is. Let them do it.


        In this regard, they are ahead of the whole planet !!
        Add to this the absence of social stratification in society .. negativity and anger at each other .. And it turns out quite a happy people who, moreover, know what they live for ..

        yes Here comes YES! And no revolutions. And a party like united North Korea, LDPR of North Korealaughing
  8. K-50
    K-50 14 October 2020 11: 46 New
    +1
    The rear of the turret and hull is covered with armor plates to minimize damage caused by high-explosive anti-tank ammunition. But this ammunition is not modern, although it can be quite effective.

    What nonsense! He that in itself will inflict damage "not with modern ammunition"? belay
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2020 11: 48 New
    +2
    So that is fortune-telling .... on powders or from pictures.
    The Koreans are trying to do, to improve the technique they have, it is obvious what they have done, this is a question.
  10. smart fellow
    smart fellow 14 October 2020 13: 20 New
    +2
    I think the sand camouflage is due to the fact that the parade was held at 4 am. The director of the parade, in order to please the people, proposed to paste over the MiG-29 and AN-2 with LED strips and launch fireworks from them, and to make it look spectacular, the parade had to be held in the dark. Sand paint looks better on tanks in spotlights than camouflage camouflage.
    Koreans do not watch porn, they mostly drink beer and do not indulge in drugs. So they give people a holiday. This goal is also served by the Arirang show, which is held at the 100000st of May Stadium, the largest stadium in the world with a capacity of 26 people. At the same time, the population of the DPRK is now 20 million, and when this performance was started it was about XNUMX million.
  11. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 14 October 2020 15: 57 New
    -1
    Quote: nemez
    Are you thinking strangely, they learned how to make rockets, but the tank is difficult ?! I had no doubts. The Chinese could help them, if anything.


    Rockets - it depends on which ones. The level of the USSR in the sixties is quite. Other technologies are about the same.
  12. Pshelts
    Pshelts 14 October 2020 18: 02 New
    +1
    Well it looks good. Eun is clearly trolling the USA! The tuning is very similar to our "Armata" ..
    By the way, China has created a "new" tank one to one Armata! If you started copying our newest tank (externally, "it means the tank is good ... The Chinese don't copy bullshit!"
  13. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 14 October 2020 20: 15 New
    0
    minus the author of the article, where are the live photos?
    p.s. это для автора fox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=_dZP3-yVKxh0hM%252C3PTSkhRwvqSlsM%252C%252Fm%252F01c2j9&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRgsXcbmxxltT3CvAbjE5xoIPPpIg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLn7iBy7TsAhVLAxAIHbF9A9oQ_B16BAgYEAM#imgrc=_dZP3-yVKxh0hM
  14. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 16 October 2020 00: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Bobrick
    Read less pro-Western articles. North Korea passed the level of the 60s in the 80s (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwaseong-5 is just a copy of a rocket developed in the 60s, moreover, modified and put into production in the 80s).
    Now they have a confident minimum level of the late 70s, early 80s with analogue complexes Temp-2C.


    They still do not have intercontinental-range missiles in the series. Only experiments. So it's the sixties.