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Sohu told why China buys Russian helicopters and why they are better than Chinese

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Sohu tried to answer the question of why China needed to buy Russian-made Mi-171SH helicopters. The Chinese audience greeted the information on the purchase of helicopters with approval.


Recall that the Mi-8AMTSh, or Mi-171Sh in the export version, is a military modification of the famous Soviet transport helicopter Mi-171, which has been in operation since the early 1990s. The helicopter is designed to transport and disembark up to 16 paratroopers, transport wounded soldiers, cargo up to 4000 kg, to destroy enemy manpower and armored vehicles, fortified firing points, for reconnaissance, firefighters, search and rescue operations. As you can see, the vehicle is multipurpose and capable of serving a very necessary service both in the armed forces and in civilian life.

The Mi-171Sh helicopters have been actively supplied by Russia for export to other countries. They are in service with the armies of many states, including Angola, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Peru, Bangladesh, Vietnam and so on. But all these countries have several such helicopters, on average from 2-4 to 10-12. The record holder for the number of Mi-171s in service is China. As of 2016, the Celestial Empire possessed 144 Mi-171 Sh helicopters, despite the fact that China has purchased about 1990 Mi-300/17 helicopters since the beginning of the 171s.

However, since 2014, China has not purchased Russian helicopters. This was due, among other things, to the development of its own helicopter industry. Over the past decades, China has taken colossal leaps forward in virtually all industrial sectors. and helicopter construction is no exception to the list. The PRC acquired helicopters of its own production Z-18 / Z-8G, Z-20, Z-8L, supplied to the armament of the People's Liberation Army. Nevertheless, Beijing again decided to purchase a batch of Russian helicopters. The helicopters are expected to be delivered to China in 2022.

According to Sohu, the Chinese leadership decided to take such a step for certain reasons. The point is that none of the Chinese-made helicopters can be called a worthy successor to the Mi-171. Thus, the performance characteristics of the Z-8L are inferior to those of the Russian helicopter, and even less impressive are its capabilities in the field of protection against enemy air defense.

Even the general-purpose helicopter Z-20, which in its main characteristics, it would seem, is not inferior to the Russian one, in reality, cannot fully perform the entire range of tasks that the Mi-171 helicopters are capable of. Therefore, the Chinese edition writes, only a new Russian helicopter can become the best successor to the Russian helicopter.

Another unconditional advantage of the Russian car is its relatively low cost. According to a Chinese newspaper, one helicopter will cost $ 6 million. For comparison: the United States delivered its UH-60M Black Hawk helicopters to Latvia at a price of $ 50 million per unit, that is, almost ten times more.

Since the serial production of the Mi-171 has been established in Russia, and at the plant in Ulan-Ude, that is, in the immediate vicinity of the PRC borders, there should be no obstacles to the delivery of a new batch of modernized helicopters.

Interestingly, the information about the acquisition of Russian helicopters caused a rather positive reaction from the Chinese audience.

We firmly support the continued purchase of new Russian helicopters by our country! This is not only a practical necessity and economic benefit, but also the embodiment of the Sino-Russian friendship,

- writes a user from Tianjin.

Another Chinese did not fail to notice:

The decline of Russia occurred due to the privatization of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, as well as the transfer of state assets to private hands. Since Putin came to power, Russia has changed for the better.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 12 October 2020 10: 11
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    The completed design school, respectively, the product manufactured for such projects, is distinguished by high performance characteristics! It is not so easy to catch up and overtake this, even for China.
    1. apro
      apro 12 October 2020 10: 33
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: rocket757
      It is not so easy to catch up and overtake this, even for China.

      And what helicopters have been created in russia over the past 30 years? Which are on sale today? Old Soviet developments are sold by defective managers ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 October 2020 11: 16
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        Quote: apro
        What kind of helicopters have been created in Russia over the past 30 years?

        Is the Soviet design school not ours anymore?
        1. apro
          apro 12 October 2020 12: 22
          -9
          Quote: rocket757
          Is the Soviet design school not ours anymore?

          How do they treat her ... rather, they gave it to the load ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 October 2020 12: 54
            +5
            We have one problem and it is of a political nature !!! the rest is all the consequences.
            1. apro
              apro 12 October 2020 12: 59
              -8
              Quote: rocket757
              We have one problem and it is of a political nature !!! the rest is all the consequences.

              Do not confuse politics and theft ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 October 2020 13: 08
                +6
                Quote: apro
                Do not confuse politics and theft ...

                SIMPLY THEFT !!! yes, even disputes about this would not have been, if the legal, judicial system worked as it should ... there are doubts that it is so. If so - stole, drank ... to jail! no questions.
                We have a particularly sensitive topic about what ... the appropriation of the result of a working man's labor by a handful of fat men, on completely "legal grounds", as they think! And this is no longer just the economy.
              2. Old Orc
                Old Orc 15 October 2020 11: 26
                0
                If the logic of the political system is based on taking money from the poor and transferring it to the rich so that they become even richer, theft is inevitable, this is also a manifestation of the system as holding elections every 4 +/- years. according to the election results, nothing can be changed and they do not affect life in any way.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 12 October 2020 10: 34
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      I really love the news about the sale of our weapons abroad.
      But there is one BUT: Rosoboronexport is such a black hole and sinecure that the lion's share of this same export money is deposited, it is not clear where. And the workers in the factories receive a penny, and the factories themselves (for some reason) are in huge credit bondage.
      For those who are hesitant: google how Alfabank almost bankrupted UVZ.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 October 2020 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: Megatron
        But there is one BUT:

        We have ONE BUT !!! The country is different, the system is different ... with all the ensuing consequences!
      2. EnGenius
        EnGenius 12 October 2020 12: 00
        +2
        Export contracts bring in much more money, but certain steps are required to prepare and formalize them, which must be carried out by experienced people, besides, it is important for the state not to transfer key technologies or developments into the wrong hands. And so each enterprise will have to maintain its own "export" department, which can sell everything that should not even be necessary. In addition, such sales are directly vulnerable to sanctions; it is easier to knock out a weak player from the game.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 12 October 2020 12: 52
          +2
          What "experienced people" are you talking about? So look, all of our state corporations are made up entirely of (f) experienced people who are sitting on salaries of millions and bonuses. Solid sinecure.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 12 October 2020 13: 00
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          Even in countries where the state, it seems, does not control the business of companies, the military, too, government agencies are always present when implementing trade transactions! I can, and may be prohibited.
          We have a classic scheme of autocracy in this area of ​​the state .... nothing new, unusual, in general.
      3. ROMANO
        ROMANO 13 October 2020 18: 42
        +1
        Not surprising at all. If we remember that the Semibankirshchyna in the 96th privatized the government of the Russian Federation itself, and since then no one has tried to bring thieves to justice, the permanent flow of the lion's share of resources into private pockets looks quite natural.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 14 October 2020 15: 43
          -1
          Well, right now, the seven-member state)
  2. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 October 2020 10: 24
    +3
    The point is that none of the Chinese-made helicopters can be called a worthy successor to the Mi-171.
    .... copy, don't copy ... but school is needed ...
  3. maktub
    maktub 12 October 2020 10: 26
    +2
    I once referenced Sohu in a post, received a lot of negative comments like "found someone to refer to" laughing
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 12 October 2020 10: 42
      +2
      The Chinese manage to steal aviation technologies even from Sikorsky, and to copy from Russia, the Buddha himself ordered.
      And the main disadvantages. Chinese helicopters fully manifested themselves during the rescue work after the earthquake in Sichuan in 2008. They were unable to work at high altitudes. And in the conditions of Tibet.
      Our helicopters, back in the 60s, conquered the heights of the Pamirs.
      And further . So far, the Chinese helicopter industry is simply a "modernization" of foreign models. Another problem is the embargo on the supply of dual-use technologies. Helicopters have much more than airplanes of the necessary components and assemblies that fall under the "dual use", which China is still forced to import. From the point of view of Russian positions in the PRC, copying a good medium-duty military transport helicopter or naval project is especially difficult. This means that it is likely that China will remain an attractive market for Russian helicopter products in the near future.
      1. EnGenius
        EnGenius 12 October 2020 12: 02
        +2
        Apart from the sale of helicopters, there is also the sale of new engines to replace old ones. And engines make up a significant part of the cost of a helicopter.
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 October 2020 10: 33
    +1
    Another unconditional advantage of the Russian car is its relatively low cost. According to a Chinese newspaper, one helicopter will cost $ 6 million. For comparison: the United States delivered its UH-60M Black Hawk helicopters to Latvia at a price of $ 50 million per unit, that is, almost ten times more.

    An interesting fact, but it is necessary to compare the versions of the devices. The Mi171SH version cannot stand that way ... there is a full-fledged shock complex and balls with optics and IR systems.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 12 October 2020 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The United States supplied Latvia with its UH-60M "Black Hawk" helicopters at a price of $ 50 million per unit .... An interesting fact ....

      This is a little not a correct comparison - Latvia gets 200 helicopters for 4 Lyams and a lot of other things: total retraining / training, something from the infrastructure ..., they create everything from scratch, because they had nothing like this before.
      The little Pave Hawk cost 13,5 lamb and it was the most advanced at some point. Eight costs about three and a half. Heaped up costs a little over six, now probably a little more.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 October 2020 12: 22
        +1
        The UH-60M also comes in different variations, right down to drums.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 12 October 2020 13: 01
          +2
          60m is probably a modernization + an attempt to unify the land Hawks. And from the drums there seems to be only DAP, but there are really very few of them and he is from a different family
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 12 October 2020 14: 23
            +1
            Well, what kind of Mi can you compare it with?
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 12 October 2020 14: 28
              +3
              Well u eights quite a few shock configurations. And in percentage / absolute terms - there are significantly more striking eights than 60 DAPs
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 12 October 2020 16: 11
                0
                Percussion, I mean with ATGM .... with NURS units - limited percussion. Shoot them down. That has been proven back in Australia.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 12 October 2020 17: 06
                  +3
                  So 60L DAP, as far as I remember, is not armed with ATGMs, only to quickly crush the resistance. And taking into account the specifics of the customer's work, 160 soar, there can be no talk of any long-term impact.
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  ..with NURS blocks - limited percussion.

                  It turns out that all of them limited percussion. I'm not sure about the shoot, too much too if... My classmate on figure eight I pulled out the clamped group: I pulled it out, nobody seemed to be injured in the turntable itself - they did not restore the turntable, drushlak
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 12 October 2020 22: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    I mean with ATGM ...

                    Naval Rescue Hawk can use ATGMs: it is tailored for CSAR and special forces support. Unlike the DAPa, it can also transport personnel.
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 12 October 2020 10: 39
    0
    The Chinese are developing competencies.
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 October 2020 10: 53
    +2
    Quote: apro
    And what helicopters have been created in russia over the past 30 years? Which are on sale today? Old Soviet developments are sold by defective managers ...

    Ansat and Ka-52. Yes, and the Mi-28 went into production not in Soviet times, which, given the collapse of the helicopter industry in the 90s, speaks of the real effectiveness of managers.

    We started with the production of the Mi-38, and the Mi-8 family still has sufficient potential.
    1. apro
      apro 12 October 2020 10: 59
      -1
      Quote: Pavel57
      We started with the production of the Mi-38, and the Mi-8 family still has sufficient potential.

      The Mi38 Soviet project was created to replace the bear 8. and it should go to the holy 90s ...
      but it was not up to nevo ... the rest of the upgrades of the base machines.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 October 2020 17: 18
      +1
      Mi 38 is a Soviet project ... Development of Mi 8 and Mi 14 .... Mi-28 and Ka50 are also shaggy years.
      Really fresh project Ka 60.
  7. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 12 October 2020 11: 01
    +6
    The main thing is that this helicopter is equipped with the domestic VK-2500 turboshaft engine, which was developed at the UEC enterprises to replace the Ukrainian TV3-117, which was equipped with Mi-8/17 helicopters. Serial production of the motor was organized in 2015 on the basis of UEC-Klimov. The Mi-171A2 model is equipped with the latest modification of the VK-2500PS-03 engines - the civilian version of the engines used on the Mi-28 combat helicopters
  8. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 12 October 2020 12: 13
    0
    If it were not for the publication in "Sohu" I would have continued to think that the Chinese have nowhere to put their money hi
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 October 2020 17: 20
    0
    Quote: apro
    The Mi38 Soviet project was created to replace the bear 8. and it should go to the holy 90s ...
    but it was not up to nevo ... the rest of the upgrades of the base machines.

    If not for the 90s, then there was no need to restore the production of the Il-76. Everyone wants to be healthy and rich.
  10. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 13 October 2020 09: 19
    0
    According to the Chinese newspaper, one helicopter will cost $ 6 million. For comparison: the United States delivered its UH-60M "Black Hawk" helicopters to Latvia at a price of $ 50 million per unit, that is, almost ten times more.

    Like the F-35, everything made in the USA appears to be gold!
  11. iouris
    iouris 13 October 2020 15: 30
    0
    And they also make engines in Ulan-Uda?