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Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions?

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I quite often use "VO" as a discussion platform. During the work of the site, many authors have developed a kind of circle of communication with readers, when the conversation goes beyond specific issues and takes on the character of disputes, searching for compromises between several people on more global issues than those touched upon in this or that material. Moreover, in such groups, people with diametrically opposite, even radical views get along without any problems.


I propose to discuss one of these topics today for all readers of the Military Review. Indeed, these dances with a national flavor on the corpses of compatriots "got" many. Tired of looking at how here and there someone suddenly saw that the neighbor's nose or hair color, or borscht are different. And the questions begin: who are you, this is my land, the ancestors of the ancestors of my people lived on it! .. And so on.

Which is better: destruction or unification of states


It so happened that today we can already see with our own eyes the fruits of what happened at the beginning of the process of the collapse of the world socialist system and the collapse of the USSR. Not once, in the mists of time, but during our lifetime. Before our eyes. I'm talking about the collapse of the USSR, the unification of Germany, the emergence of the concept of the "Baltic States", the collapse of Czechoslovakia, the collapse of Yugoslavia and other historically important events of the late XX - early XXI centuries.

It seems to me that both of these processes are negative and did not bring happiness to the peoples they affected. The collapse of the state always leads to a decline in the economy and human suffering. Czechoslovakia can be considered an example of a more or less civilized “divorce”. And even then, simply because the Czech Republic and Slovakia, even in a single state, were completely separate parts. The unification of the two states in 1918 did not lead to the creation of a single people.

All other examples of the collapse of established nations are negative. Blood, massacre, the collapse of the economy of the breakaway parts and the breaking of the mentality of the people. This applies to all countries. Starting from huge Russia and ending with unrecognized republics on the territory of the former Soviet Union.

Union? Germany recently celebrated another anniversary of the re-establishment of a unified state. People born in the USSR remember the holidays on the streets of German cities after the fall of the Berlin Wall. They remember the delight of the Germans and all progressive humanity. They remember the hopes that now both parts of the new state will absorb all the best that was in the GDR and the FRG, and will heal like a king.

What do we see today? The unification led to the emergence of second-class Germans. East Germany in all indicators of economic and social development is inferior to the western part. East Germans make up a negligible percentage of the country's political and economic elite. Even indicators such as pension or social benefits are lower in the East. The voices about the return of the GDR are heard louder and louder. But this is more nostalgia than real plans. As we have nostalgia for the USSR.

Economy of the newly independent states


After the collapse of the USSR, life in all the former republics of the Union began to change for the worse. Why? Yes, simply because a new generation came to power in the republics, which did not remember why Ukraine became the breadbasket of the USSR, why Uzbekistan became the cotton capital, and Kazakhstan - a window into space. In almost all republics, the opinion reigned that it was their country that fed Russia, dressed Russia, supplied Russia with receivers and sprats, etc.

The fact that enterprises on the territory of these republics were built by the Soviet Union and were part of the Union economy began to be forgotten. By the way, this applies not only to the former republics, but to individual regions of Russia. I remember the miners in Vorkuta on the Gorbatom Bridge near the White House, who knocked on their helmets and demanded higher wages and other benefits after the Vorkuta mines were privatized.

I have been in this mine city during the Soviet era. I saw villages with modern houses on stilts, I saw how difficult the miner's work is, I saw how difficult it is to get used to the lack of sun in winter. But then I saw how the new owners of the mines were buying out entire blocks in Moscow and Leningrad. How the reward system disappeared and how miners lost their prospects for the future. Who is interested in seeing the world after the disappearance of people, just watch the video footage of modern Vorkuta. No less tragic than in Pripyat.

In order to see the process of degradation of the economy of the once flourishing republics, it is enough to look at Ukraine today. This is an example of “fast forwarding” events that took decades in other regions. “It was built by the Ukrainians” in action. Everything collapses, and this process cannot be stopped.

Ideology and morality as the support of the state


Talking about ideology today is bad manners. Especially about communist ideology. But let's remember childhood. In a totalitarian state where there was no freedom and the all-powerful KGB reigned. Let's remember how we lived then.

We will leave the tales that the communists oppressed the people to human rights activists. For most people, party membership was more of an indicator of their importance to the country. A leader in production, an outstanding scientist, a good doctor, etc. Even holidays, and in the USSR there were three really national holidays, when it was possible to officially roam the central streets, it was even possible to use something intoxicating and be taken by a police squad not to a sobering-up station, but home.

Remember the division of the year? New Year, May Day, 9th November. But May XNUMX was a less grandiose holiday. Rather family. Simply because a father, uncle, brother, matchmaker, godfather, who were sitting at the table that day, ringing with military awards, were alive in any family. And next to them were those who, after the war, restored everything and were also awarded for this feat. I don’t remember that on any other day my father put on awards ...

We laughed at the "siskimasiski" (for young people I will explain: this is how the terribly complicated word "systematically" sounded from the lips of the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Leonid Brezhnev), but we knew for sure that one had to study well. Simply because after graduation, excellent students will choose a place for further work and, therefore, life, and slovens will go to some hole to work out the prescribed three years at a local factory or in a local hospital.

Working in the republics, helping local cadres in setting up production facilities, in developing the social sphere, in construction, and so on were the norm. As a rule, it was also the fact that people were divided not by the color of their skin or hair, not by their speech, but by whether it was a person or so, a semblance of a person. And then we lived in one big country. Just in one place they ate borsch, in another lagman, in the third barbecue. And in a barrel on the street we were poured beer, beer, cheeses and so on, but still it was just beer.

After the collapse of the USSR, we became Russians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Armenians, Chechens, Estonians, Latvians, Belarusians ... We ceased to be a single people. Now nationality has become the dominant sign of a person's "correctness" and "goodness". Not a personality trait, but a "breed". Like dogs or cats. Pedigree means good!

Homeland is where I feel good


Very often, meeting “foreign bodies” on the street, whether they are some kind of bulk, Hare Krishnas, pink-blue, punks, rockers and other “others”, I hear exclamations: “Well, where did they come from? Where did their parents look? " Good question, huh? Where did they come from? Did the Americans teach? Yes, in most towns and villages in our country, Americans have never been seen! For the locals, an American and an alien are one and the same.

I am sure that the parents of these very "others" never taught them to believe in Krishna or support a notorious liar. They plowed in order to raise and educate the child. That the child was "no worse than others." And he became no worse than others. And no better. He is a product of the modern world, often not accepted by the older generation.

Look at who today is in the ranks of the opposition supporters, who is dancing in the streets with songs praising Krishna, who is in the forefront of opponents of everything and everyone? It's terrible to say, but this is the country's intellectual elite. Not morons, which some are trying to show them, but students of prestigious universities, young and promising specialists in the most fashionable and highly paid professions. These are those who tomorrow should become leading designers, people's artists, great physicists, brilliant doctors ...

And they will become. But not all. Simply because some of them will accept the offer of Western firms and leave to work abroad. They will leave simply because they pay more, there you will quickly get the opportunity to do what you love yourself, it is more comfortable to live there, having a good salary and a good position. And we, those who are now talking about patriotism and love for fatherly graves, will support them. Why should a beloved child experience what we have experienced. Overseas, a little heifer ...

Modern young people are sure that the main thing in life is to achieve something. And that means having a lot of money and being recognizable on the street. Not to become Korolyov, after sitting in Stalin's camps and without a salary, not to become Alexander Prokhorenko or Roman Filipov, but to be able to eat in an expensive restaurant, not to become a “holy doctor” by Fedor Haaz, but to drive a luxurious Mercedes ...

The idea that the Motherland is not where you were born and raised, the Motherland is where you are better fed, dressed and shod, is being introduced into the minds of young people. Let others, less intelligent, less educated, less ambitious, build a new state. And there, in the West, I will become great, they will welcome me with open arms. And try to convince them, young people, of this. They will give many examples of this order.

What to do to avoid revolutions and riots


It seems to me that in a period of global change in the world order, in a period when the stability of the world is violated, it is impossible to avoid revolutions in various forms. The situation when the majority of the country's population is dissatisfied with the existing order of things does not depend on the system of government, on the economic power of the state or on the weight of this state in world politics.

We have entered an era when people are no longer content with the order of things. Our grandfathers were happy that the war was over and that we could finally live like a human being. Have a family, children, relatives, friends and know that this will continue to be so. Our fathers plowed virgin lands, built Baikonur, drilled wells in the Siberian swamps and were happy that their work allowed the state to provide their families with everything they needed. We ... We successfully lost everything our ancestors had acquired in pursuit of beautiful wrappers of Western goods and were also happy. For a while ...

And our children are still unhappy. Yes, they have western cars, home appliances, latest smartphones, but they have no purpose. They do not have their own Celina, their own Baikonur, their Siberia and the Arctic. A full belly and nothing more. And they will look for it all. With youthful maximalism, with disregard for the lives of others, with "we will destroy the whole world of violence" ...

Consequently, our task today, our global goal, if you like, is that the search for the meaning of life for young people does not result in bloody revolutions, in the destruction of the state, in the murder of ordinary, peaceful citizens. Probably, we need to unite efforts in this search. After all, what a sin to conceal, and we do not quite understand what we need. Slogans are good, but not productive. Blood is not a catalyst for the search for happiness, it is a killer of happiness ...
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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 12 October 2020 18: 17
    -20 qualifying.
    "And our children are still unhappy."
    My children were happy, happy now and will be happy.
    hi
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 October 2020 18: 21
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      Quote: Livonetc
      My children were happy, happy now and will be happy.

      It's not about the happiness of childhood, happiness in marriage, in everyday life, it's about the happiness of knowing that you live in a great country, the happiness of confidence for the future of your children.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 12 October 2020 18: 34
        -3
        Happiness is in small things.
        It is here and now every moment.
        The inherent qualities of a full-fledged happy person are:
        call of Duty,
        conscience,
        honor,
        compassion,
        respect,
        memory of ancestors,
        respect for tradition.

        Do what you must
        And come what may.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 13 October 2020 06: 25
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          Quote: Livonetc
          Happiness is in small things. It is here and now every moment.

          Someone needs their own small, isolated philistine happiness, but for a normal person, with broader views, the world does not end with his own family and personal well-being.

          It is impossible to be happy when people are swarming around the cisterns outside the window, when sick children receive text messages from the world, when the Russian minimum wage is 12 thousand rubles (and the minimum wage in Switzerland is 340 thousand in rubles), and 17 thousand you are already middle class ... while the top is fattening as if not in itself.
      2. Pshelts
        Pshelts 12 October 2020 18: 35
        25
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Livonetc
        My children were happy, happy now and will be happy.

        It's not about the happiness of childhood, happiness in marriage, in everyday life, it's about the happiness of knowing that you live in a great country, the happiness of confidence for the future of your children.

        As you Igor correctly expressed and touched the string of nostalgia. hi
        During the Soviet era, there was exactly a sense of security and confidence in the future ..!
        Families planned and prepared for decades ahead for themselves and their children .. Everything was planned because there was social stability .. Yes, they didn’t live richly, but somehow sublime and pride in the country was .. Many people could travel around the country
        Now no one knows what will happen tomorrow .. Even oligarchs and thieves shaking for their fortunes, even in London!
        This is scary, but what to do? We blew the USSR and the welfare state
        Attempts are underway, but the restoration of the past is too sluggish.
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          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 12 October 2020 19: 30
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            Oh, what we were under the USSR were "beggars". You need to eat less vodka, less chase after a "firm with a label". My family is in the USSR. Father is a musician in the Kiev Chamber. Mother is a librarian and teacher of the Russian language. I mean, not the elite at all. We lived on Nikolskaya Borshagovka, it is clear that the non-elite area. Every year we went to the sea, toured half of the USSR. And the house was packed with books. Well, yes, in Adidas and Lee did not go, but there was enough money for everything, from the word at all. They were even going to buy a zhacha. So don't talk about how bad everyone was. Well, yes, if you spend a third of your salary swollen and then buy "firmU" with the dough it will be strained. But the life of normal people in the USSR was far from “beggarly”.
            1. imobile2008
              imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 49
              -38 qualifying.
              Under the USSR, Ukraine lived well at the expense of Russia. And at the expense of booze, so everyone in the USSR drank, what else was there.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 20: 13
                11
                Quote: imobile2008
                so everyone in the USSR drank, what else was there to do.

                Tell us what you could do in the USSR, how not to drink.
                1. Nikolai Korovin
                  Nikolai Korovin 12 October 2020 20: 37
                  0
                  It was possible to do a lot of things, but they really drank a lot, and hard workers, students, and scientists alike. At the research institute - all work in the workshops for alcohol. Few were satisfied with simply fulfilling an order. Alcohol intended for degreasing, etc. technological surfaces were mainly used for washing the optical axes. It seems to me that now they drink less - there is a drink everywhere, there is no irritant, which may not be enough, and there seems to be no obvious chatter. In addition, many more people were driving. Not many people sit down drunk - most people approach this issue adequately.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 21: 20
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                    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                    drank too much

                    They drank in about the same way as after Gorbachev's dry law, before that we, personally, remember brandy in the sideboard for years.
                    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                    Alcohol intended for degreasing, etc. technological surfaces were mainly used to wash the optical axes.

                    This, again, began with Prohibition. Tormozuha, and then they drank.
                    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                    It seems to me that they drink less now

                    Much less. Public transport was destroyed, no one wants to lose their rights.
                  2. Normal ok
                    Normal ok 13 October 2020 10: 48
                    -1
                    In childhood (70s), not far from the house there was a "likerukha" (liquor store), and there was also beer on tap. So, in the evenings in the bushes of the park under the house, individuals who did not calculate their strength often "rested". We had a constant source of income from this: they scared the drunk with the fact that the police were nearby, and when he left, they collected the trifles he had lost in the grass.
                  3. Vadim_888
                    Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 37
                    +3
                    Drinking in the USSR - it was called internal emigration
                  4. Nikolai Korovin
                    Nikolai Korovin 13 October 2020 12: 31
                    +7
                    It's interesting! Who is the minus? Probably, those who did not have a chance to live in the USSR, and now they got the impression that it was something white and extremely fluffy. I will say this: my Motherland is Russia-USSR. I am not giving up on the Soviet past. But this does not mean that I should tell a lie about him. Not everything went well. We started talking about drunkenness - well, I said. There was a lot of drunkenness. A lot of. I was hooked a little. But this does not mean that I believe that there was nothing but drunkenness. And in the end - for the pure truth the resulting minus. It's a shame, gentlemen comrades.
                    1. neri73-r
                      neri73-r 14 October 2020 11: 48
                      +1
                      And you, for comparison, ask how much they drank and drink, for example, in England! And in the USSR they drank and they still drink, but now, in my opinion, more, and on a massive scale, large sections of the population were involved in this process, which could not have happened in the USSR, for example, child's alcoholism. Another question is what they drank. Young people mainly in the USSR - light drinks, wine, mostly dry and high-quality from natural raw materials. Now even vodka is dangerous to drink, you can catch anything in a bottle.
                      1. Nikolai Korovin
                        Nikolai Korovin 14 October 2020 12: 54
                        +1
                        England doesn't bother me. Let them whip their ale as much as they like. As for the assortment of consumption of a common Soviet person (I mean what could be bought freely) - yes, there were Hungarian Rieslings, Armenian brandy 3 stars of good quality, Georgian wines - in some deficit. Bulgarian wines - back and forth, Moldovan - sour. Crimean, South Russian wines have never been seen. And all this could not be said to be very much in abundance, more for the intelligentsia. At one time they tried to impose a "culture of drinking", but it didn't really work. The bulk got used to something else, and it was not enough.

                        For the bulk of the population, the most common product is mug beer with a trailer. Here we had a pub between two buildings of the institute, located 300 meters from one another. Personally, I only got there a few times by accident, but in general the students swarmed. Instead of a lecture - 3-4 mugs of beer. Same thing! Or port - usually pretty. Sunk into the memory of "Three Axes" (officially - "Three Sevens"). T.N. "fruit-profitable" - very cheap, sometimes good, more often bad, "mumble". Vodka - Stolichnaya or Moskovskaya acceptable, "Crankshaft", or "Maya Plisetskaya" is pretty rubbish. Although the price is almost the same. About Kashinskaya, Kasimovskaya, etc. I do not speak. A knot. So, in my opinion, you are somewhat idealizing the quality of Soviet wine and vodka products.

                        As for children's alcoholism, in the 6-7th grade in our school, many were already pretty bad. I remember I was 15 years old, but I was big. I stood in line at the wine department, but not for wine - they were selling something else I needed. They are dropping two shkets of 11-12 years old - take us a bottle. I turned them down - they looked at me evil, and went to look for another sponsor. So everything happened too. They tried to educate, of course, but in most cases in vain. Guys from drinking families at this age started and never finished. The consumption of official alcohol is the most common thing. And not only rectified, but also hydrolysis drank, and even denatured alcohol ("cyanosis").

                        It still seems to me that now they drink less and the culture of consumption has increased. I don't know the exact statistics, but officially there seems to be a slight decrease in consumption per capita, a small one, though. Of course, for example, the quality of cognacs has clearly decreased - you buy some seven-year-old, and it is worse than the "3 stars", but there are a lot of them, people are slowly weaning from vodka, which, from my point of view, should be considered only as a medicine in some critical situations. Although they say that when it’s frozen, it’s better not to drink - the effect is temporary and deceiving, but in my opinion, if it’s frozen, but got to the heat, it is desirable to have 100-150 grams - the likelihood that you will get sick decreases.

                        Maybe I don't quite know something, but I see the situation as follows.
              2. Baron pardus
                Baron pardus 12 October 2020 23: 49
                +9
                Yeah, in the Ukraine there was agriculture, and factories and mines and shipyards, but lived "at the expense of the RSFSR"? You need to drink less and eat. And about the fact that they all drank, do not judge everyone by yourself. In my family, my dad drank very little, and only to the point of being "tipsy" always knew where to stop. My friends in families either have a similar situation (my parents drank in moderation) or generally in a string. And there was nothing to do in the USSR only for losers. For normal there were museums, zoos, theaters, tour trips, all sorts of circles and sections. For example, I went to the "Chaika" stadium and was engaged in shooting - I got the 2nd youth. God is not all that but received. Well, we traveled to many cities in the USSR: from Vilnius to Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. From Novgorod to the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus. It would be a desire, and not a set of complexes and banal laziness - what to do, and very inexpensively, could be found easily.
            2. wow
              wow 13 October 2020 15: 05
              0
              Absolutely in the "fitting", as they said then in the army !!!
            3. Icarus
              Icarus 16 October 2020 19: 47
              0
              Baron pardus
              Every year we went to the sea, toured half of the USSR. And the house was packed with books. Well, yes, in Adidas and Lee did not go, but there was enough money for everything, from the word at all. They were even going to buy a zhacha. So no need to talk about how everyone was kind of bad.

              But I have memories of that time in Voronezh: endless queues for food (butter, cheese, and other necessary products). Parents woke me up - a schoolboy - at 05,00 in the morning so that I would stand in line with them for butter (from 04.00 they were already in line), since they gave only 2 packs (200g each) to the hands of a person standing in line. It's not even the 80s, it's the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s. Parents went to Moscow to buy food (sausage, cheese and other delicacies) once every 1-3 months. Money can't buy anything from consumer goods just like that, without cronyism. Or wait in line (for coupons) for years or overpay hucksters. God-borcher ideology. Career growth is impossible without a party membership card, etc. Relatives went to Kiev in 4. I was also in Minsk at that time. In stores there it was like in other states. All in bulk. Better than in Moscow, because there is almost no queue.
              But this is not the main thing. The author of the article offers a choice between the past (bad) and the present (very bad) or vice versa. Maybe you should look to the future? Well, the question is:
              What to do to avoid revolutions and riots
              This is not the goal of the state at all. Moreover, ours - capable (with political will) dictating its agenda to the world. There will always be an attempt at riots (often just). Especially if the authorities are the same as Lukashenka or Chubais (two extremes).
          2. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 12 October 2020 19: 30
            +5
            Oh, what we were under the USSR were "beggars". You need to eat less vodka, less chase after a "firm with a label". My family is in the USSR. Father is a musician in the Kiev Chamber. Mother is a librarian and teacher of the Russian language. I mean, not the elite at all. We lived on Nikolskaya Borshagovka, it is clear that the non-elite area. Every year we went to the sea, toured half of the USSR. And the house was packed with books. Well, yes, in Adidas and Lee did not go, but there was enough money for everything, from the word at all. They were even going to buy a zhacha. So don't talk about how bad everyone was. Well, yes, if you spend a third of your salary swollen and then buy "firmU" with the dough it will be strained. But the life of normal people in the USSR was far from “beggarly”.
          3. imobile2008
            imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 53
            -34 qualifying.
            Quote: Tsunoda
            beggars pray, pray on
            that their poverty is guaranteed
            And most importantly, no one ever said that the USSR was proud. On the contrary, everyone knew that there were developed countries and a backward scoop (that's what everyone called him). And now, from 18 year olds, I learn that I was proud of the state there.... There was no such thing.
            1. Rosko
              Rosko 12 October 2020 21: 23
              12
              Don't be stars ..
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 21: 44
              16
              Quote: imobile2008
              And most importantly, no one ever said that the USSR was proud.

              I was proud.
              Quote: imobile2008
              backward scoop (that's what everyone called him).

              In what year did they call it that?
              1. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 40
                -7
                ... In what year did they call it that?
                in the late 70s
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 16: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim_888
                  in the late 70s

                  I have never heard.
            3. Normal ok
              Normal ok 13 October 2020 10: 51
              +3
              Quote: imobile2008
              Quote: Tsunoda
              beggars pray, pray on
              that their poverty is guaranteed
              And most importantly, no one ever said that the USSR was proud. On the contrary, everyone knew that there were developed countries and a backward scoop (that's what everyone called him). And now, from 18 year olds, I learn that I was proud of the state there.... There was no such thing.

              Most people were proud. I - as if I was proud.
            4. Igor Polovodov
              Igor Polovodov 14 October 2020 10: 44
              +3
              And here I felt feelings similar to pride, what to take from a child, but judge for yourself: we did not have homeless people and beggars! There were sections and numerous circles and they were free! Human attitude, with a soul, on the street a person who became ill was not shunned, but tried in every possible way to help!
            5. neri73-r
              neri73-r 14 October 2020 11: 51
              +3
              Quote: imobile2008
              Quote: Tsunoda
              beggars pray, pray on
              that their poverty is guaranteed
              And most importantly, no one ever said that the USSR was proud. On the contrary, everyone knew that there were developed countries and a backward scoop (that's what everyone called him). And now, from 18 year olds, I learn that I was proud of the state there.... There was no such thing.

              Grandpa, how old are you, identify yourself? Something tells me that you did not live in the USSR, or lived in childhood. Your reasoning is from the field of persistent myths and horror stories about the USSR.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 11: 54
                +3
                Quote: neri73-r
                how old are you, identify yourself?

                And he is like Vadik, scoop, scoop, and he himself did not live in the USSR.
          4. lucul
            lucul 12 October 2020 21: 04
            -5
            beggars pray, pray on
            that their poverty is guaranteed

            So everyone chooses for himself - you can be a well-fed servant, with a rich owner, or you can be free, albeit poor))).
            Look at who today is in the ranks of the opposition supporters, who is dancing in the streets with songs praising Krishna, who is in the forefront of opponents of everything and everyone? It's terrible to say, but this is the country's intellectual elite. Not stupid people, whom some are trying to represent, but students of prestigious universities, young and promising specialists in the most fashionable and highly paid professions. These are those who tomorrow should become leading designers, people's artists, great physicists, brilliant doctors

            These are people, as they say - "without a king in the head." More precisely, in 1917 we destroyed our religion. But sooner or later in his life, a person is drawn to the spiritual, and if you have created a spiritual vacuum in your country (destroyed religion), then it will quickly be filled with a foreign religion and will format (assimilate) you in its own way. In the USSR, they tried to replace religion with the cult of Lenin, the party, but the people did not accept ...
            The topic is in fact so deep that it is too big for a comment.
            What do we see today? The unification led to the emergence of second-class Germans. East Germany is inferior to the western part in all indicators of economic and social development. East Germans make up a negligible percentage of the country's political and economic elite. Even indicators such as pension or social benefits are lower in the East. The voices about the return of the GDR are heard louder and louder. But this is more nostalgia than real plans

            This does not reach our oppos in any way))) They will always be second-class people there, proven by history for the last thousand years)))
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 12 October 2020 20: 19
          10
          Attempts are underway, but the restoration of the past is too sluggish.

          They are trying to suggest this to us.
        3. Observer2014
          Observer2014 13 October 2020 01: 24
          +5
          Attempts are underway, but the restoration of the past is too sluggish.
          These are not sluggish attempts. This is an imitation of attempts. To wait until everyone who remembered the USSR leaves for another world, every single one.
        4. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 03
          -3
          ... .. Already many could travel around the country

          Once a year on vacation, and even then not everywhere,
          How is the closed port of Vladivostok open at Vysotsky?
        5. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 13 October 2020 11: 49
          +2
          Then it is not clear where in the USSR, and especially in the RSFSR, there were 4-5 million abortions a year, since everything was planned before?
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 October 2020 23: 54
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        It's not about the happiness of childhood, happiness in marriage, in everyday life, it's about the happiness of knowing that you live in a great country, the happiness of confidence for the future of your children.

        Yes, but people like Navalny do not feel themselves in this realization. As in the movie "The weather is good on Derebasovskaya, it is raining again on Brighton Beach" - there I was against the KGB, here I was against the CIA ...
        Whoever dances a girl, for that she will be.
        On YouTube, I looked at the comments under the video below, where Navalny first drew after being poisoned.
        Oh, how they wish him health, they say, so that he continues to fight the Putin regime, they say, only the current hope for him, the hero of our time.
        And for me, to put this citizen with low social responsibility in a cell with convicts who are not very picky, a girl or a boy, for 10 years ... even if he is fighting the regime there.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 14 October 2020 10: 09
          +2
          NEXUS (Andrey)
          12 October 2020 23: 54
          On YouTube, I looked at the comments under the video below, where Navalny first drew after being poisoned.
          Oh, how they wish him health, they say, so that he continues to fight the Putin regime, they say, only the current hope for him, the hero of our time.
          And for me, to put this citizen with low social responsibility in a cell with convicts who are not very picky, a girl or a boy, for 10 years ... even if he is fighting the regime there.

          Berlin, Stirlitz met with Navalny. They drink beer, discuss news, exchange information. Stirlitz drank three bottles, Navalny two and fell into a coma. "Newbie", thought Stirlitz.
      4. Squelcher
        Squelcher 13 October 2020 01: 23
        -7
        Living as 7th in a two-room apartment or just in a carriage or a barrack? With outdoor amenities? The realization that you live in a great country seeing a woman mend nylon stockings? Or pride in realizing that ingenious designers are riveting the next best weapon system in the world, but they do not have time to design a convenient razor?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 16: 47
          -1
          Quote: Squelcher
          Living as 7th in a two-room apartment or just in a carriage or a barrack? With outdoor amenities?

          Well, my dear, you haven't bought your apartment? In Odessa, a kopeck piece cost 20 thousand rubles. Waiting for free?
          1. Squelcher
            Squelcher 14 October 2020 00: 48
            +1
            I was a little apartment to buy, excuse my parents, my simple hard workers - non-party nomenklatura and non-trade workers before whom the rest crawled, and they lived so richly in the USSR that the norm was 5.5 square meters per person in the "best" country.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 06: 17
              +1
              Quote: Squelcher
              and they lived so richly in the USSR that the norm is as much as 5.5 square meters per person in the "best" country.

              These are fucking XNUMX-meter apartments. In the USSR, they never dreamed of such.
              1. Squelcher
                Squelcher 14 October 2020 10: 19
                -2
                Freebie is a handout. I don't need feeds.
                I have a simple 3shka, 80 square meters in a new building, through a mortgage which I repaid ahead of schedule, no problem. Mother was a labor veteran, the USSR only gave a pile of letters and took her health.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 10: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Squelcher
                  I have a simple 3shka, 80 square meters in a new building, through a mortgage which I repaid ahead of schedule, no problem.

                  Well, try to extinguish it by being a janitor or a plasterer-painter. Or a cashier with a salary of 15 thousand.
                  1. Squelcher
                    Squelcher 14 October 2020 10: 53
                    0
                    Well, if you sit in a zhko as an electrician or in a stoker where you don't need to strain your brain, or as a minder in tow, there is no responsibility and you can drink, then you certainly would not pay and you would not take the car for yourself or your father. But let's read literature for the future, strain and force yourself to change a profession for a more in-demand profession, this is another matter.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 11: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Squelcher
                      strain and force yourself to change your profession to a more in-demand profession, this is another matter.

                      Cashiers and wipers will disappear from the choice of profession somewhere? Do you think they are second class?
                      1. Squelcher
                        Squelcher 14 October 2020 12: 02
                        0
                        If you divide people into grades, this is your right. The communists entered the origin in the questionnaires to indicate.
                        By the way, why were the pensions of collective farmers lower than those of workers in the USSR? Collective farmers that in the USSR were second-class people?

                        Any person performing work is professionally respected, but this does not mean that the cashier should earn the same as the shift supervisor of a nuclear power plant or the chief technologist of a plant.
                        By the way, a painter who does his job with high quality technology is very much appreciated.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 12: 10
                        0
                        Do you understand what nonsense you are writing? Our librarian received a kopeck piece with her son. What can she earn now, receiving 12 thousand? Yes, it will save 20 years for the grave.
                      3. Squelcher
                        Squelcher 14 October 2020 12: 34
                        0
                        You did not answer why the pensions of collective farmers were lower than those of workers in the USSR? Collective farmers that in the USSR were second-class people?
                        Secondly, why my parents, working in the chemical production of the coffin of health, did not receive an apartment for certificates, but the librarian did. It turns out that the USSR gave benefit to some at the expense of the exploitation and health of others? This is even worse than capitalism, he is cruel - but honest, in contrast to the USSR.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 14: 31
                        0
                        Why is it lower? My dad received about four hundred as a combine operator-tractor driver. APO Novomoskovskoe.
                      5. businessv
                        businessv 14 October 2020 21: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: Squelcher
                        You did not answer why the pensions of collective farmers were lower than those of workers in the USSR? Collective farmers that in the USSR were second-class people?
                        I will answer this question for you, but first, let's define, from what fright do you think so? Or did the state farmers have higher pensions, according to your information? Or do you not know what the difference is between a collective farmer and a state farmer? Today you amuse me very actively with your maxims! laughing After substantiating your question, I will try to answer you! But I will immediately clarify the issue of collective farmers. At the end of the year, after summing up the results, absolutely all members of the collective farm received funds, which depended on the annual results of the collective farm's activities. These funds were called "additional payment" and the most active workers could receive up to 4000 rubles. In principle, after retirement, the collective farm workers had quite impressive amounts in their savings banks, which allowed them not to worry about pensions. There were also unprofitable farms, but the inhabitants did not live in poverty in them either, because each had a personal farm.
                      6. Squelcher
                        Squelcher 15 October 2020 00: 27
                        -1
                        They poured water like a real commune, but there is no answer. Blah blah blah, well, so that collective farmers are second-class people, if their pension has always been, lower than that of workers? Yes or no?
                      7. businessv
                        businessv 15 October 2020 18: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: Squelcher
                        Blah blah blah, well, so that collective farmers are second-class people, if their pension has always been, lower than that of workers? Yes or no?
                        Their earnings were higher, the pension is charged on earnings. Use your brains when asking questions! State farmers had less pensions, and even then not always! hi
                      8. Squelcher
                        Squelcher 16 October 2020 01: 20
                        -1
                        Again, dear man got into the conversation without understanding either the meaning or the essence, as in the old Russian proverb about the element responsible for the sealing of a wooden vessel.
                        The point of the conversation was that pay differentials are not a division of people into grades.
            2. businessv
              businessv 14 October 2020 21: 15
              0
              Quote: Squelcher
              The communists entered the origin in the questionnaires to indicate.
              Where did you read it ?! laughing Or did they listen to the Voice of America on the recording? But in Germany, at present, the questionnaires really indicate everything, including religion. No need to find fault with what you do not know and praise what everyone knows without you! Only a person like you can drown for capitalism - I succeeded in everything, I'm great, praise me! In Soviet times, I built a house on my site, for only 900 rubles. Small, only 9x8, with a mezzanine, but for the season and without problems. He worked two jobs, not straining one. Can you do that now? Now I'm fine too, but I know perfectly well that capitalism will never care about people the way socialism did!
            3. Squelcher
              Squelcher 15 October 2020 00: 19
              -1
              So you have amused me, caring for people is the funniest thing, I have visited various industries with the most disgusting attitude, just where the authorities are pupils of the USSR school of management.
            4. businessv
              businessv 15 October 2020 18: 45
              0
              Quote: Squelcher
              visited various industries the most disgusting attitude just where the bosses are pupils of the USSR school of management.
              Have you been on excursions?
              The bosses from the Union have been retired for 10 years! laughing
            5. Squelcher
              Squelcher 16 October 2020 01: 07
              0
              Yes, excursions, such as setting up production and setting up technological lines. I repeat once again if the bosses of the "old" school are eyewash, narrow-mindedness and attempts to cover up their guilt with others, excellent traditions.
        2. imobile2008
          imobile2008 16 October 2020 19: 27
          0
          I remember a dispute between two Americans about justice. One says you two live on 2000 squares. I am a family of 7 people in an apartment of 170 squares. I, with my 20 squares and a family of 6 people, decided to remain silent.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 06: 20
    0
    Quote: Squelcher
    my parents are simple hard workers - non-party nomenklatura and not trade workers before whom the rest crawled

    We have a blacksmith refused a kopeck piece, count up ... There was a party man.
    1. Squelcher
      Squelcher 14 October 2020 10: 21
      0
      Count up the party pompolit, in a foreign country, as soon as they allowed the first to go to the Japanese trash heap, he ran for a washing machine and a refrigerator.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 October 2020 10: 24
        0
        Quote: Squelcher
        Count up the party pompolit, in a foreign country, as soon as they allowed the first to go to the Japanese trash heap, he ran for a washing machine and a refrigerator.

        We've seen shit like this.
  • businessv
    businessv 14 October 2020 21: 03
    0
    Quote: Squelcher
    Living as 7th in a two-room apartment or just in a carriage or a barrack? With outdoor amenities?
    And you, apparently, think that in "truly great" America (USA) everyone lives in cottages? If you are too lazy yourself, then "Homeless people in the United States make up a social group, according to various estimates, from 550 thousand to 3,5 million people." And I will note that this is not about "amenities on the street", but about life on the street! This has never happened in the Union so unloved by you!
    1. Squelcher
      Squelcher 15 October 2020 00: 21
      0
      In prison, everyone has a roof over their heads and rations.
      1. businessv
        businessv 15 October 2020 18: 47
        0
        Quote: Squelcher
        In prison, everyone has a roof over their heads and rations.

        You know better, I was not there.
        1. Squelcher
          Squelcher 16 October 2020 01: 13
          0
          To know that electricity can hit, you don't have to be foolish and stick your fingers into the outlet.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 12 October 2020 19: 03
    17
    Quote: Livonetc
    "And our children are still unhappy."
    My children were happy, happy now and will be happy.
    hi

    The concept of happiness is different for everyone, and perhaps your children are happy, like mine ... But now I compare my childhood with theirs and I definitely like mine more. In my childhood there was literally everything, at the age of 12 I began to go fishing with an overnight stay, from the age of 6 I ran down the street playing Indians, cut the bows and arrows themselves, made bombs .. in general, what was not .. childhood was eventful, bright, memorable ..
    But this is not given to our children, they are sitting at home, I am afraid of letting my children go alone .. the older one only decided in this, and the younger, up to 12 years old, just under supervision .. Sometimes my wife and I raise this topic and come to the conclusion that our children have not received and will not receive much from the childhood that we had .. Although they are certainly happy, they grow up in love, care and they have everything .. But I would not hesitate to choose for them exactly the childhood that I had ... But this, due to objective circumstances, is now not possible .. Security in the USSR was provided by an order of magnitude better, the people were much kinder and more hospitable .. Yes, everything was better .. well, maybe except for the assortment in the store .. but this is such a trifle ..
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 12 October 2020 19: 12
      +5
      I agree.
      I like my childhood.
      It's mine.
      And my children received both love and education and the joy of life.
      Their happiness is the same that I had and have.
      The only difference is in the details.
      And my grandfathers were happy.
      Despite the war, injuries and hardships of life.
      I will not tire of repeating the truth.
      Do what you must.
      And come what may.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 20: 47
        -10 qualifying.
        ... And my grandfathers were happy

        When, as a child, having seen enough of Soviet pre-war films, with my grandfather, I blurted out that how good it was for people in the thirties, he already turned white, and only years later I learned why
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 21: 49
          +9
          Quote: Vadim_888
          When, as a child, having seen enough of Soviet pre-war films, with my grandfather, I blurted out that how good it was for people in the thirties, he already turned white, and only years later I learned why

          Was your grandfather a fist, or who?
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 08: 39
            -4
            ... Was your grandfather a fist, or who?

            My grandfather was born in 1911, grew up an orphan in the village, at 30 he worked on a piece of iron

            But yours, judging by the mocking question, was a "watchman" in the Gulag?
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 13 October 2020 12: 03
              -2
              Minus one comment - confirmation of the concern of the communists for the Russian people
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 16: 52
              +2
              Quote: Vadim_888
              But yours, judging by the mocking question, was a "watchman" in the Gulag?

              Nichrome like that. The bastards from the KGB sent him to the mine to work after captivity. I worked so hard that my grandmother didn’t even work after the war.
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 17: 39
              +3
              Quote: Vadim_888
              But yours, judging by the mocking question, was a "watchman" in the Gulag?

              Peasant. Tankman.
    2. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 12 October 2020 20: 46
      10
      There were pluses, there were also minuses, but it would not have occurred to me that a non-departmental security should be sitting at the entrance to the school. The attendants stood, from the senior classes, watching the order. They didn’t even know about combination locks, they went to visit each other regularly, treated themselves as best they could, but most importantly, from the heart. But stealing did happen. And about robbery and banditry - somehow not really. This is me about the 60s-70s. Still, for example, there was the famous Mosgaz. I don’t remember exactly what he did, but something very bad. But they caught it kind of quickly. In general, somehow there were more advantages. The main thing is that the women were younger. Oh, that is, ladies.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 21: 54
        +7
        Quote: Nikolai Korovin
        The attendants stood, from the senior classes, watching the order.

        We all stood. And I stood ... Whoever had a tie on one side, or had no second shoe, was wrapped up. We were in the sixth grade, like. And before that ... I remember how I pressed the bell button.
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 13
        -2
        For that, in the eighties, the children of 11 years old from my neighbors were stopped by gopniks and taken away money 10 r
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 13 October 2020 18: 59
          +1
          Yes, the gopota then began to scream
    3. your1970
      your1970 12 October 2020 20: 59
      +9
      Quote: Svarog
      In my childhood there was literally everything, at the age of 12 I began to go fishing with an overnight stay, from the age of 6 I ran down the street playing Indians, cut the bows and arrows themselves, made bombs .. in general, what was not .. childhood was eventful, bright, memorable ..

      Quote: Svarog
      Security in the USSR was provided an order of magnitude better

      Quote: Svarog
      the people were much kinder and more hospitable.

      - it was because in the USSR the children were the property of their parents - no matter how strange it sounds ..
      Let me explain - at that moment, if on the street a kid - a hooligan was twisted his ear for hooliganism - the society spoke in unison, "it is necessary to tell his parents, so that it would not be commonplace !!"
      And the parents took action - those who considered it necessary - they flogged with a belt or said "It's not good this way ...." And no one fainted - "Oh, they put the child in a corner, this is an infringement of the child's psyche ..."
      And they climbed the construction sites, because the parents were ready for this ...
      Everything was clearly divided into two sides - the family and the state. With its written and unwritten laws, and as long as the parties did not violate them, the parties were in agreement ... The baby was fed, dressed, goes to school - the state did not touch fit - an excess was needed.

      And now try to wind your ear on the street, haa ... and people who 30-50 years ago, would have put a dunce in their place, now skip past, averting their eyes ... because someone will take it off and put it out - and you will wake up "famous" ...

      Z.Y security THEN was precisely for the same reason - no one needed children and everyone needed them at the same time. Any aunt - a passer-by took the tears of someone else's child - as her own tears and could raise such a high that God forbid the crows died on the fly ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 October 2020 19: 32
    +5
    Quote: Livonetc
    My children were happy, happy now and will be happy.

    You are right, children are always happy as long as they are children. But everyone understands happiness differently. I am personally happy because I have three sons.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 October 2020 19: 57
      +9
      Quote: tihonmarine
      ... I am personally happy because I have three sons.

      Pretty boy! good My son only succeeded the fifth time. laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 October 2020 22: 54
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        My son only succeeded the fifth time.

        But there are no daughters, and three grandchildren, some men.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 October 2020 02: 48
    +4
    Quote: Livonetc
    My children were happy, happy now and will be happy.

    Are you delusional? It is impossible to be happy when the country is destroyed, and there are so many destitute and unhappy around. Although you may have them with deviations.
    The inherent qualities of a full-fledged happy person are:
    call of Duty,
    conscience,
    honor,
    compassion,
    respect,
    memory of ancestors,
    respect for tradition.
    Well written, is there anything behind this?
  • Civil
    Civil 13 October 2020 08: 53
    +3
    Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions?

    The impossible needs to be done Return justice to the relationship:
    1. Power - society, to stop the emerging opposition.
    2. In regional and local representative bodies (legislative assemblies, district councils, etc.), terminate most of the big businessmen, allow ordinary villagers and townspeople.
    3. Remove legislative heaps for the people's access to the common goods.

    And a lot more important things, especially in the economy.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 30
    -3
    ... "And our children are still unhappy."
    My children were happy, happy now and will be happy


    If the nickname corresponds to the place of residence, then this is understandable
  • yehat2
    yehat2 13 October 2020 11: 58
    0
    a permanently happy person is very similar to an opium addict.
    he inevitably and quickly degrades and either disappears or ceases to be happy.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 October 2020 18: 17
    +8
    Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions

    I know only one place where theoretically and practically this does not happen !!! But somehow I don't want to rush there, into the world of peace and quiet!
    1. nnm
      nnm 12 October 2020 18: 29
      -3
      Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions?

      Can. But only in the United States. For only there is no US embassy.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 October 2020 18: 53
        +2
        There, in general, they did without an embassy! FUN for now.
        Shaw after the elections will be ???
        1. nnm
          nnm 12 October 2020 18: 54
          +3
          It seems that they can change places and tear each other's throats, simply by taking slogans from each other.
        2. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 10
          -2
          ... Shaw after the elections will be ???

          Yes, everything will be fine, the democrats will shoot, there are people in the rights, they have weapons, in the states where there are most weapons in their hands, crime is at zero
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 13 October 2020 11: 11
            +1
            states with the most weapons on hand, crime is at zero

            There may be no crime in your head, but in real life there is a lot of crime in the states, there are mafia and drug cartels and heaps of Negro, Irish, etc. gang. The United States leads in the number of people imprisoned.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 13 October 2020 11: 51
              +2
              Quote: nickname7
              The United States leads in the number of people imprisoned.

              There are places, countries where it will be more abruptly, but among the "developed, progressive and dermocratic" minke whales are among the leaders in terms of the number of convicted criminals per capita.
            2. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 13 October 2020 14: 55
              0
              ... USA leads in the number of people imprisoned

              Well, this is an indicator of the effectiveness of the police.
              In New York, Mayor Giuliani allowed police to set up a shooting gallery, and crime immediately began to decline
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 13 October 2020 11: 48
            +2
            Quote: Vadim_888
            , in the states with the most weapons on hand, crime is at zero

            Good story ... for the night, maybe.
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 13 October 2020 14: 57
              0
              .Good story ... for the night, perhaps.

              See American statistics, it's all in the public domain
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 October 2020 15: 06
                +1
                Ha, in your opinion, we learn about stripes only from propaganda on our TV channels.
                Holy simplicity ...... where did you get that.
          3. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 13 October 2020 19: 04
            0
            Well, let us let the weapon of the stoelba begin immediately across the trenchant of the wild west
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 October 2020 12: 46
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          There, in general, they did without an embassy! FUN for now.
          Shaw after the elections will be ???
        4. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 October 2020 12: 50
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          There, in general, they did without an embassy! FUN for now.
          Shaw after the elections will be ???

          The recipients of the various benefits may not have worked. .. But somehow lately they have everything. began to deteriorate.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 October 2020 13: 12
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Beneficiaries of different benefits may not have worked

            The number of those who will have to pay these benefits has sharply increased.
            An economy in which there is a significant number of servants who are not employed in material production collapses one, two, three times as a result of cataclysms!
            Who needs a manicurist, a psycho-calmer when there is NOTHING to EAT and honey insurance does not cover the cost of treatment!
            These are the "reserves" of queues for free soup and benefits!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 October 2020 13: 21
              +3
              By paying these benefits, to a large extent for blacks, social tensions were reduced. For more than a dozen years. Now, with the intensification of the crisis, with the increase in the number of applicants, the contradictions have cleared up
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 October 2020 13: 30
                +1
                And you look at the statistics of arrests on street unrest, now striped. It is dominated by WHITE unemployed, up to 35 years old !!! Those. no longer negroes from slums, not students drugged by the ideas of anarchism and other things, but the most productive part of the population, which never held picks, shovels in their hands ... plankton / light women from everywhere!
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 October 2020 13: 27
              +4
              I wanted to add ---
              ..... a significant number of service staff. ....
              This is probably true of our economy as well, at least in Moscow and St. Petersburg, which can be seen by the unarmed.
              For example, with the covid, the number of deliveries of goods, products, and therefore drivers, couriers, has increased. This is the youth. Both Russians and visitors
    2. Pshelts
      Pshelts 12 October 2020 18: 36
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions

      I know only one place where theoretically and practically this does not happen !!! But somehow I don't want to rush there, into the world of peace and quiet!

      China? Thieves and other slobs are shooting there .. laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 October 2020 18: 55
        +2
        Everyone has their own cockroaches in their heads.
        We would have to deal with our own, as long as and in the first place.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 October 2020 22: 59
        0
        Quote: Pshelty
        Thieves and other slobs are shooting there ..

        Drug dealers are also being shot, and before that they are driven around the city so that the people know their "heroes".
        1. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 12 October 2020 23: 53
          +3
          And they’re doing it right.
        2. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 12 October 2020 23: 53
          +1
          And they’re doing it right.
  • AML
    AML 12 October 2020 18: 20
    +8
    Riots are human nature. You can give a person whatever he wants, but sooner or later the moment will come when he will say, I live in a golden cage, you decide everything for me. Ok, give him freedom - do what you want. He will say that you weighed everything on me, I am alone, I have no friends, with me because they need something from me. To avoid riots, we must get rid of humanity. As you can see, the solution is simple, but again there will be many disagreements :)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 06
      -4
      Quote: AML
      Riots are human nature.

      It is true, but the rulers must be able to quickly and in the bud to liquidate these revolts. It is then that harmony in society comes. The tsars must be given their due, they knew how to suppress riots in time and adequately, and then (like Emelka Pugacheva) in a cage to the people for a show, and for a long time the thought of a riot disappeared.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 October 2020 18: 20
    11
    Probably, we need to unite efforts in this search.
    .... Who are we to? ... We, the concept is extensible. Now, we live in a bright future of which we dreamed, in the world of advertising, chewing gum and jeans and other delights of the capitalist, free world. Simply, today's consumer society is divided into two groups, for those who receive super profits, have several citizenships, property, accounts abroad and whose children live and study abroad, they love their homeland over the hill and those who do not have it. And these two opposing groups should join forces
    so that the search for the meaning of life for young people does not result in bloody revolutions, in the destruction of the state, in the murder of ordinary, peaceful citizens.
    laughing
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      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 October 2020 18: 43
        +8
        In the article and in my commentary, not about social lifts, not much else ..
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 October 2020 19: 37
        +6
        Quote: Tsunoda
        I managed to make my way to Moscow and now works for an international company for a very tasty salary.

        It’s tasty to eat, it doesn’t mean to be happy.
      3. TuM0305
        TuM0305 12 October 2020 21: 28
        +2
        BOT! When will they be banned for the same comments?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 11
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Now, we live in a bright future we dreamed of, in the world of advertising, chewing gum and jeans.

      Pepsi-colas and tampexes, palaces for the rich, hoes for everyone else.
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    1. depressant
      depressant 12 October 2020 21: 24
      +8
      Colleague, but this is how we, at VO, do not communicate. Behave yourself properly.
  • Gato
    Gato 12 October 2020 18: 22
    +8
    Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions?

    Can. There are several recipes:
    - it is necessary to separate the power from the people and put one of these units in the Bastille;
    - shoot the first five hundred from the cannons - the rest will scatter themselves;
    - use the Soviet method of feeding the cat with mustard.
    But seriously, no. Riots and revolutions are bifurcation points, without which the transition to a new level is impossible. The only question is whether to the highest or the lowest: the October Revolution brought Russia into the ranks of superpowers, and the revolution of the 90s (for the change in the social order) threw it to the level of a raw material appendage.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 12 October 2020 19: 22
      +8
      Here, rather, there is a difference in concepts: in 1917, it was the Revolution that took place (I mean the October Revolution. And the February Revolution, in fact, is correctly called a revolution relative to the previous monarchism). And in the 90s, a counter-revolution took place in relation to the October Revolution - there was an obvious rollback in fact to the February Revolution: the power of merchants, bankers and manufacturers, even if they are called in a new way - oligarchs ..
      But "revolutions" in Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine have nothing to do with the concept of "revolution" at all - pure coups.
      1. Gato
        Gato 12 October 2020 19: 42
        +2
        Well, yes, it is. A revolution (or counter-revolution - depends on the point of view) is a change in social formation. Everything else is coups, sometimes just palace coups.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 13
        +2
        Quote: Turist1996
        there was an obvious rollback in fact to February: the power of merchants, bankers and manufacturers, even if they call them in a new way - oligarchs ..

        Let's put it simply, "the capital has won at this stage."
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 19: 42
      +7
      Quote: Gato
      The October Revolution brought Russia to the list of superpowers, and the revolution of the 90s (for the change in the social order) threw it to the level of a raw material appendage.

      After the Manifesto of Marx-Engels, capitalism also did not sleep, but created its own International, which fought against the Communist International. At this stage he won, but that does not mean that he won completely.
  • AML
    AML 12 October 2020 18: 24
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions

    I know only one place where theoretically and practically this does not happen !!! But somehow I don't want to rush there, into the world of peace and quiet!


    This is because there is no certainty that this world of peace and quiet exists.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 12 October 2020 18: 29
    -22 qualifying.
    Nonsense drunk.
    Let him find at least one German doing it in the GDR. On the contrary, everyone says if it were not for the GDR, the East Germans would live better now.
    As for our unfortunate children, not those who have iPhones and Western cars are so unhappy, those who do not have them are unhappy.
    And whatever the revolution, it is necessary to steal less and manipulate the results less and allow everyone to participate in the elections, and the people will figure out whom to vote for.
    You must leave on time Lukashenka would have left, would have been a respected person, they would have consulted with him. And now it's a shame, he drives grandmothers with grenades! It's such a shame, his children will carry the cross of humiliation. It won't wash off with anything! A good trace in history, somewhere next to Hitler and Stalin
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 October 2020 18: 49
      +4
      And all wars, and all coups / revolutions both in the world and on the territory of the USSR, in these 103 years after the October Revolution, are arranged by you, the enemies of the communists. And all these 103 years you have been waging endless vicious, aggressive, false, hypocritical information wars. And in East Germany after its capture by the enemies of the Communists from the Federal Republic of Germany the same thing as after the capture of the USSR by you. Industry was destroyed, social benefits were taken away from the people, and the totalitarian implantation of anti-communism. And you accuse Lukashenka of the fact that because of him the Belarusian enemies of the communists did not receive as much European freebies as the Baltic enemies of the communists did.
      1. imobile2008
        imobile2008 12 October 2020 18: 51
        -18 qualifying.
        Only the Germans cannot get enough of the collapse of the GDR. Especially oriental!
        1. tatra
          tatra 12 October 2020 18: 56
          +5
          Ha, and when did the GDR break up? It is useless to ask the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR, what did you GIVE to the people, as you proved, you need a country only to TAKE, UNDERSTAND, and what did the FRG Germans GIVE to the Germans of Eastern Europe, except for the eternal shamanic spells of the enemies of the communists about "freedom"?
          1. imobile2008
            imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 01
            -17 qualifying.
            The eastern block naturally collapsed. But judging by the set of words that you use, you have a second grader level
            1. tatra
              tatra 12 October 2020 19: 03
              +5
              Do not try to get out of your cowardly rudeness, you are our ignorant.
          2. pro100y.belarus
            pro100y.belarus 12 October 2020 20: 39
            -12 qualifying.
            Stop quoting Pravda. Wake up already.
            How many East Germans fled over the wall to West Berlin? About five thousand. Good and bad. People deliberately risked their lives trying to leave the GDR.
            How many Germans have tried to move to East Berlin? No one.
            Here is the answer.
            People DO NOT RUN from "happiness".
            Your propaganda is refuted by the facts.
            People will always strive where it is better, fairer and richer. And it does not matter at all what kind of system it is - monarchy, socialism or democratic capitalism.
            1. tatra
              tatra 12 October 2020 21: 01
              -2
              And the beginning is stupid, and the continuation is from anti-Soviet propaganda.
              1. pro100y.belarus
                pro100y.belarus 12 October 2020 22: 45
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: tatra
                And the beginning is stupid, and the continuation is from anti-Soviet propaganda.

                You are stuck in the twentieth century and you don't want to get out of there. I'm not even sorry for you.
                Humanity is driven by progress and modern youth. Your time is ENDED, and you stubbornly do not want to see it.
                Communism SDOH! Time to move on.
                1. Baron pardus
                  Baron pardus 12 October 2020 23: 55
                  +9
                  Yeah, straight into oligarchic neo-feudalism. No thanks, but I'm better in the USSR.
                2. Baron pardus
                  Baron pardus 12 October 2020 23: 55
                  +3
                  Yeah, straight into oligarchic neo-feudalism. No thanks, but I'm better in the USSR.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 12 October 2020 20: 07
        -2
        And all wars, and all coups / revolutions both in the world and on the territory of the USSR, in these 103 years after the October Revolution, are arranged by you, the enemies of the communists


        Irina, why did you immediately slip through the October Revolution?
        Do not hesitate to describe the deeds of the communists first.

        For example, an excerpt from the program
        The terrorist faction of the Narodnaya Volya party (yes, yes, that's what it's called!)
        The program was written by the organizer of this faction, known to you Sasha Ulyanov.

        The same Sasha who sold his university gold medal to buy explosives for the bomb, which was planned to detonate the head of state.

        While recognizing the main importance of terror as a means of forcing the government to concessions through its systematic disorganization, we in no way diminish its other useful aspects. He raises the revolutionary spirit of the people; provides continuous evidence of the possibility of struggle, undermining the charm of government power; it acts in a highly propagandistic manner on the masses. Therefore, we consider it useful not only to fight the terrorist struggle against the central government, but also to local terrorist protests against administrative oppression.

        Al-Qaeda applauds, Navalny quietly smokes on the sidelines ... laughing
        1. tatra
          tatra 12 October 2020 20: 29
          +2
          Ha, what kind of ideology is this among the enemies of the communists, who seriously imagined that you are more than the communists and their supporters worthy to own the country - why do you so love to "suck" everything that the Bolshevik-communists have done, and so do not like to discuss what did you do it yourself?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 12 October 2020 21: 09
            -6
            Ha, what kind of ideology is this among the enemies of the communists, who seriously imagined that you are more than the communists and their supporters worthy to own the country - why do you so love to "suck" everything that the Bolshevik-communists have done, and so do not like to discuss what did you do it yourself?

            It’s just ridiculous to read attempts to present the communists as fighters against riots and revolutions.

            Have you read the "Short Course on the History of VKPB"?
            There, on the first page, they teach:

            «The history of the CPSU (b) is the history of three revolutions: the bourgeois-democratic revolution of 1905, the bourgeois-democratic revolution in February 1917 and the socialist revolution in October 1917.»

            Have you read the biographies of communist leaders?
            Koba was arrested for the first time for about the same thing as for Navalny - he brought 2000 people to the central square of Tiflis.

            What can I say, the communists came up with the ORDER OF THE REVOLUTION.



            You have to sit quietly in this topic, because the entire communist ideology is based on the overthrow of power by force.
            Which they did the whole 20th century, fevering the planet.
            1. nickname7
              nickname7 13 October 2020 12: 28
              0
              it is ridiculous to read attempts to present the communists as fighters against riots and revolutions.

              The period of 1917 was a time of civil war, power fell, the country disintegrated, groups and factions fought against each other.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 13 October 2020 13: 18
                -1
                The period of 1917 was a time of civil war, power fell, the country disintegrated, groups and factions fought against each other.

                There hasn't been any Civil War yet.
                Plan to create a full-fledged Parliament.
                For this, the Constituent Assembly was created.
                But some are tired of being on guard duty. soldier
        2. Revival
          Revival 12 October 2020 23: 33
          +6
          Tell me, was there an opportunity to hold elections and so achieve something?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 13 October 2020 01: 09
            -5
            Tell me, was there an opportunity to hold elections and so achieve something?

            Elections are the surest path. Since the foundation of human civilization. Only they have to be honest.
            In any case, starting with the choice of the leader of the tribe and ending with the choice of those who entered the university based on the results of entrance exams.
            1. Revival
              Revival 13 October 2020 03: 48
              +5
              So I ask, you wrote about Ulyanov, did he ignore all the other existing legal possibilities? Maybe there were elections? Or something else?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 13 October 2020 10: 46
                +1
                So I ask, you wrote about Ulyanov, did he ignore all the other existing legal possibilities? Maybe there were elections? Or something else?

                What are the choices? RI is an absolute monarchy. No way out for a couple. That is why the revolution took place.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 13 October 2020 11: 02
                  +1
                  Then you have a problem.
                  Considering this comment of yours: "Do not hesitate to describe the actions of the Communists first ... applauds, Navalny quietly smokes on the sidelines ... laughing."
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 13 October 2020 11: 08
                    +1
                    Then you have a problem.
                    Considering this comment of yours: "Do not hesitate to describe the actions of the communists first."

                    What is the problem?
                    RI was an absolute monarchy. Power belonged to a narrow group and was inherited. The opinions of the people were not taken into account.

                    Naturally, secret revolutionary movements arose, sometimes extreme, up to terrorists. In the end, it all ended in a bloody massacre with the collapse of the country.

                    Then there was “Narodnaya Volya”, now “New Greatness”.
                    And there is only one reason.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 13 October 2020 11: 19
                      0
                      Was the tone of your comment inadequate to the circumstances described?
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 13 October 2020 12: 17
                        0
                        Was the tone of your comment inadequate to the circumstances described?

                        It's not about tone, it's about sense. Sophia Perovskaya, who is digging a tunnel under the railway with her friends to blow up a train with the king, does not differ much from modern suicide bombers in her approaches.

                        As long as there is a "stausinny policy" with hiding one's head in the sand, as if everything is calm in Baghdad, bulk will be born regularly, naturally according to Western patterns.

                        Materials on the Attorney General and the Prime Minister should not be issued by Langley's henchmen, but by Channel One journalists.
                        Otherwise, the people get the impression that they are being fooled and bred like a sucker.
                        And then the people take up the pitchfork. am
                2. nickname7
                  nickname7 13 October 2020 12: 35
                  0
                  RI is an absolute monarchy. No way out for a couple. That is why the revolution took place.

                  Pereobulsya in the air, then you have terrorists out of the blue, then the steam is nowhere to go.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 13 October 2020 13: 33
                    +1
                    Pereobulsya in the air, then you have terrorists out of the blue, then the steam is nowhere to go.

                    Nothing like this. Possibly fuzzy or misunderstood.

                    Again.
                    If the tsar is in power, having crushed all other structures and is not under the control of society, then sooner or later, under the influence of the popolizi surrounding him, he begins to believe in his infallibility.
                    All his decisions (including the wrong ones) are supported by his entourage and he starts to mow.

                    If the state has structures that are capable of critically assessing the actions of the leader and timely adjusting policies, the boiler does not overflow and the steam is given a way out.
                    And if there is a full-fledged competitor, breathing in the back of the head and waiting only for a small mistake to take the throne, then this is very good.
                    It mobilizes and forces you to make informed decisions.

                    The bicycle is invented - Western democracies. love
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 13 October 2020 12: 34
              +1
              Elections are the surest path. Since the foundation of human civilization. Only they have to be honest

              If we continue many fantasies, then the jelly banks and milk rivers are great, it will solve the problem of hunger in the whole world.
              Honesty where there are billionaire oligarchs is not possible in principle. The oligarchs themselves must want elections within society, then they will. That is, elections are a secondary parameter of the structure of society.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 13 October 2020 13: 36
                0
                If we continue many fantasies, then the jelly banks and milk rivers are great, it will solve the problem of hunger in the whole world.
                Honesty where there are billionaire oligarchs is not possible in principle. The oligarchs themselves must want elections within society, then they will. That is, elections are a secondary parameter of the structure of society.


                There is no better answer here than Churchill.

                "Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from everyone else."
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 13 October 2020 12: 25
          +1
          The same Sasha who sold his university gold medal to buy explosives for the bomb, which was planned to detonate the head of state.

          Firstly, Sasha Ulyanov was not a communist and it is not correct to hang his actions on communism. Secondly in those times power and positions were inherited, there was no feedback from the elite, only orders came from the top, in these conditions, out of despair to somehow influence the government and invented terror. Send your claims of radicalization to Nicholas2 who talked to society by means of rods and cannons.
          Al-Qaeda applauds, Navalny smokes quietly on the sidelines.

          To understand the motives for what they did it, you need to live at that timesince you ignore those circumstances your conclusions are false.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 13 October 2020 12: 41
            0
            Send your claims of radicalization to Nicholas2 who talked to society by means of rods and cannons.

            To understand the motives for what they did it, you need to live in that time, since you ignore those circumstances, your conclusions

            So I completely agree with you.
            This is what the article is about - how to avoid rebellion and revolution?

            The ruler of Great Britain, George V, understood in time where the wind was blowing from and passed the Bill of Parliament on time.
            Therefore, in 1935, on the silver anniversary of his reign, according to him, he was amazed at the number of sincere congratulations from the British.

            And Nicholas II and his family were finished off with bayonets in the basement with sawdust, and then the corpses were hidden in the mines.
            A good example for modern rulers. wink
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 13 October 2020 13: 14
            -1
            Firstly, Sasha Ulyanov was not a communist and it is not correct to hang his actions on communism.

            Of course he wasn’t, he’s just a petty terrorist.
            But his brother created a whole system of overthrowing state power.
            But he also gave specific recommendations.
            Have you read PSS for a long time? Open volume 11, from page 336.

            “Let detachments from 3 to 10, up to 30, etc. be immediately organized. man. Let them immediately arm themselves, some with a revolver, some with a knife, some with a rag with kerosene for arson, etc. <…> Preachers should give each team a short and simple recipe for bombs, an elementary story about all types of work, and then leave all the activities to them. The detachments must immediately begin military training on immediate operations, immediately. Some will immediately undertake the murder of a spy, blowing up a police station, others - an attack on a bank to confiscate funds for the uprising <...> do not be afraid of these trial attacks, They can, of course, degenerate to an extreme, but this is the trouble of tomorrow, but today the trouble is in our inertia, in our doctrinaire, learned immobility, senile fear of initiative. Let each detachment learn by itself, at least by beating the policemen "

            Try now to forward this letter to your friend by mail. laughing
      3. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 21: 08
        -14 qualifying.
        ... , enemies of the communists. And all these 103 years you have been waging endless vicious, aggressive, deceitful, hypocritical information wars


        Are you communists straight white and fluffy?
        War communism, food detachments, food appropriation, red terror, decossackization, dispossession of kulaks, concentration camps for "enemies of the people", five-year plans by the hands of prisoners, special distributors for the party elite, Beryozka stores, various main departments for servicing party bosses,
        You somehow shyly keep quiet about it ... negative
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 21: 58
          10
          Quote: Vadim_888
          five-year plans by the hands of prisoners

          What, what?
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 38
            -3
            You obviously, for all your comments, are you trying to hush up or whitewash the activities of the Cheka, OGPU, MGB during the times of mass repressions of the USSR, this position requires clarification! I look forward to your reply to this. hi
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 17: 57
              +1
              Quote: Vadim_888
              this position needs clarification!

              Of course ... How many youngsters did Beria rape?
              1. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 13 October 2020 18: 14
                +2
                Only Beria knows
        2. Revival
          Revival 12 October 2020 23: 35
          +3
          Well, to be fair, the red terror was forced, in response to the white terror
        3. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 21
          -4
          - 12 in the comments, hit the bloody executioners of the Russian people "not in the eyebrow but in the eye"
          Which once again confirms the hatred of the communists towards the common people
        4. nickname7
          nickname7 13 October 2020 12: 52
          +1
          War communism, food detachments, surplus appropriation, red terror, decossackization

          In the theory of communism itself, there are no prodrazdrazki, you listed this Civil War, not communism. It was a cruel time, the surgeon has to cut off the legs with gangrene to save the body. The consequences of a citizen, liars are blaming the communists. But the Bolsheviks are not to blame, they were only doing their job.
          Including the early Soviet power, inherited the semi-feudal economy of the Republic of Ingushetia, where part of the GDP was worked out by the slave labor of the "draft and state people"

          various main departments for the maintenance of party bosses,

          The privileges of party bureaucrats are childish babble, compared to the privileges of oligarchs with palaces and private jets, you repeat all the old accordions, come up with a new one.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 14: 33
            -3
            ... The privileges of party bureaucrats are childish compared to the privileges of the oligarchs

            Yeah, especially it was babbling in besieged Leningrad, and everywhere during the Second World War, the party members were not particularly hungry, as they say - a spoon for dinner is good
            .In the theory of direct communism, there are no prodrazdrazki, what you listed is a civil war, not communism

            It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines,
            The theory turned into a bloodbath for the Russian people, and now the next builders of the "bright future" are going to repeat it
    2. Gato
      Gato 12 October 2020 18: 51
      +8
      A good trace in history, somewhere next to Hitler and Stalin

      Yeah, it's probably better to be close to Yanukovych in Rostov.
    3. ANB
      ANB 12 October 2020 20: 04
      +6
      ... Let him find at least one German doing it in the GDR. On the contrary, everyone says if it weren't for the GDR, the East Germans would live better now

      However, 30 years have passed since there is no GDR. And the GDR itself existed for a little more than 40. So where is it, capitalist free happiness?
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 21: 17
        -8
        ... So where is it, capitalist free happiness?

        In the salary for 2000 €, paid sick leave, free medicines, renting social housing, free really working medicine (except for dentistry), free higher education for those who want to study, in 100% payment of women's maternity leave for more than 5 years to care for a child ( from 1200 €)
        On excellent roads and free travel around the world ....

        Anything else to add?
        1. Rosko
          Rosko 12 October 2020 21: 55
          +2
          And a bunch of migrants, LGBT, drugs and other benefits of Western paradise
          1. Revival
            Revival 12 October 2020 23: 36
            +2
            Yes, drugs are only there, it's good that nowhere else
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 23
              -2
              ... Yes, drugs are only there, it's good that nowhere else

              Where do you live?
              Take a walk in the morning in any Moscow park in the remote nooks of used syringes mountain
              1. Revival
                Revival 13 October 2020 10: 15
                0
                In Moscow))
                You understand my idea, as I understand it))
          2. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 27
            -2
            ... And a bunch of migrants, LGBT, drugs and other benefits of Western paradise

            What kind of Germany, there emigrants have already been put in a special detention center, drug addicts are several times less than in the Russian Federation
            LGBT - there you have Timati who voiced something on rear-wheel drive on the stage, laughing
        2. ANB
          ANB 12 October 2020 22: 43
          +2
          .
          In the salary for 2000 €, paid sick leave, free medicines, renting social housing, free really working medicine (except for dentistry), free higher education for those who want to study, in 100% payment of women's maternity leave for more than 5 years to care for a child ( from 1200 €)
          On excellent roads and free travel around the world ....

          Anything else to add?

          Why add?
          I have a salary of more than 3 thousand, really working free medicine (on Thursday I was only at the reception of a therapist), excellent roads, but I myself do not travel around the world.
          The only thing missing is parental leave. I live in the Moscow region, an ordinary hired employee. Under the USSR, I would have lived even better.

          Although in general there was a question about East Germany. Why for 30 years of a united FRG, the former GDR still lives worse.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 36
            -2
            ... I have a salary of more than 3 thousand, really working free medicine (on Thursday I was only at the reception of a therapist), excellent roads, but I myself do not travel around the world.

            If you alone have such a salary, this does not mean that everyone in Russia has the same, but 2000. € is the average for the whole country in Germany
            Note not averaged, as we believe, dividing the total income by the number of inhabitants, namely the average, 80% of Germans receive so much.
            So you have a lot to lose
            And in the clinic, you were serviced 100% by the VHI pole and not by the MHI
            So if you are doing well, this does not mean that others have the same, and your benefits are received at someone else's expense.
            1. ANB
              ANB 13 October 2020 09: 42
              0
              ... And in the clinic, you were serviced 100% by the VHI pole and not by the MHI

              Under the usual compulsory medical insurance policy. I do not take VHI on purpose, since I do not treat it for anything.
            2. ANB
              ANB 13 October 2020 09: 46
              0
              ... If you alone have such a salary, this does not mean that everyone in Russia has the same, but 2000. € is the average for the whole country in Germany

              Well yes. Of my colleagues, mine is the highest, since I have been working at this place for 12 years and have done a bunch of projects.
              But the rest have from 2 to 3 thousand. Including those who work remotely from Kazan, Togliatti, Tyumen. Yes, our managers have a lower salary. But to drive with your hands like that is not to work.
            3. ANB
              ANB 13 October 2020 09: 53
              0
              ... namely the average, 80% of Germans get that much.

              The key word here is not average, Germans... Nobody in Germany is going to pay you that. But for me, it makes no sense at all to switch to unskilled work with a decrease.
              We try to increase productivity and wages in our country, in our workplaces. Here's how it turns out. But there is still something to strive for.
              1. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 47
                0
                ... Nobody in Germany is going to pay you this

                Do you have an IT sector?

                I will say for myself, if I knew that Putin would come to power, then I would have learned German and dumped to Germany, my diploma there allowed me to work in an engineering position hi
                Regarding the OMC, last year, they almost healed me that I barely left alive, only a month later they were able to make the correct diagnosis,
                While there was an opportunity, I took VHI, they put me on my feet in a week, and this is Moscow. What's going on in the regions, there are generally full of seams ...
              2. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 50
                0
                A physicist friend of mine worked in the laboratory and received on a par with the Germans, so your data is not correct
                Before the crown, Germany opens borders for young professionals from other non-EU countries
          2. Revival
            Revival 13 October 2020 10: 31
            +2
            When, in response to the apponent, you will operate with the median for the country or at least "average", then you can take it into account, but salary of 2-7 people is not an indicator.
            Sechin, for example, cannot change his place of work either; in Germany, they will be less likely to pay.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 17: 04
          0
          Quote: Vadim_888
          In the salary for 2000 €, paid sick leave, free medicines, renting social housing, free really working medicine

          What are you chasing,?
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 18: 19
            +1
            ... What are you chasing,?

            take a look yourself
            https://youtu.be/kOkgfbDXZa8
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 18: 26
              0
              Why are you sticking YouTube to me, this is a platform for everyone.
              1. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 13 October 2020 19: 17
                0
                Well, look, there a Kazakh German broadcasts about his life after moving to Deutschland and answers questions about garlic
            2. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 13 October 2020 19: 21
              0
              The German is boring, but he seems to be broadcasting on business
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 14
      +3
      Quote: imobile2008
      Nonsense drunk.

      Not knowing the person, you insult him. Who are you?
    5. nickname7
      nickname7 13 October 2020 12: 06
      0
      It won't wash off with anything!

      Nonsense. There is no bad and no good in politics, there is a PR department that has not coped with its duties. The bad ones are also those whom the ruling circle has appointed bad.
  • 210ox
    210ox 12 October 2020 18: 30
    +8
    Our goal? Which one? If there is no ideology, there is no purposeful policy in youth affairs. But there is juvenile justice and the Internet with a porno hub. It's not about us - we are fish meat and bones. But there is also a head. And she rotted.
    1. Gato
      Gato 12 October 2020 18: 35
      13
      Our goal? Which one?

      Steal a lard, settle in Bali and die there from an overdose.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 12 October 2020 21: 54
        -2
        Our goal? Which one?

        Steal a lard, settle in Bali and die there from an overdose.


        laughing laughing laughing
        Sergei, this is a masterpiece!
        With your permission, I will steal myself to sign for another forum. drinks
        1. Gato
          Gato 12 October 2020 22: 33
          +3
          Yes to health! Quote is not a lard laughing drinks
      2. 210ox
        210ox 13 October 2020 09: 50
        0
        Is this our goal? Steal the lard and die? Ordinary people? Unlikely. In general, I separate myself, those close to me, the environment in which I am, and indeed ordinary people from those who have such a goal.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 12 October 2020 18: 52
      11
      If there is no ideology
      ... As there is no ideology. In one of his interviews, the President clearly said: Our ideology is patriotism. And there are even spiritual bonds of classes. May 1, the Vienna and Labor Day, or rather the Day of Social Partnership between Workers and Employers, which strengthens our society. smile
      1. Gato
        Gato 12 October 2020 19: 52
        +3
        Our ideology is patriotism.

        Another classic outlined who he is a refuge. In the context of the original, this meant approximately the following lol :
        My shop is my homeland. I judge the success of the second by the state of affairs in the first.
      2. Rosko
        Rosko 12 October 2020 21: 56
        +3
        This is not an ideology, this is a parody. It would be funny if it were not so sad.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 13 October 2020 09: 52
        0
        I thought you were serious. But I saw the smiley realized the sarcasm.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 15
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      If there is no ideology, there is no purposeful policy in youth affairs.

      And goals. What is the country's goal?
      1. Gato
        Gato 13 October 2020 15: 10
        +1
        And goals. What is the country's goal?

        The purpose of the existence of any state is to ensure the interests of the ruling class. What class is ruling in the Russian Federation?
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 12 October 2020 18: 33
    +2
    The article put a "plus" ... but the Author dreams of a pipe

    Consequently, our task today, our global goal, if you like, is that the search for the meaning of life for young people does not result in bloody revolutions, in the destruction of the state, in the murder of ordinary, peaceful citizens. Probably, we need to unite efforts in this search. After all, what a sin to conceal, and we do not quite understand what we need. Slogans are good, but not productive. Blood is not a catalyst for the search for happiness, it is a killer of happiness ... from the article

    What can we teach modern youth about, what ideals to instill in them, if we ourselves, like adult guys, in discussions to articles ... there would be these discussions in real life ... but no one would prevent us from "discussing" the discussions .. .Yes, we would at least cripple each other ... with improvised means ... wassat We ourselves have not yet come to understand what is "good" and what is "bad" ... recourse crying there is simply no real idiology at the moment ... just at least an idea ... how CORRECT to live in the modern world, eh ... recourse
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 12 October 2020 18: 59
      +5
      And why do you need an ideology, an idea ... they do without it there in the West ... Although the goal is profit, and to throw pieces from the table to the peoples, so that there would be no riots and revolutions, the truth is not always enough for these pieces ... : yellow vests in Europe, blacks in the United States, Bulgarians go to rallies against corruption for the third month, they go every weekend. Then they will work for corrupt officials for a week and on the weekend they will again rally against corruption, in the sense of rebelling .. laughing
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 12 October 2020 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: parusnik
        And why do you need an ideology, an idea ... they do without it there in the West ... Although the goal is profit, and to throw pieces from the table to the peoples, so that there would be no riots and revolutions, the truth is not always enough for these pieces ... : yellow vests in Europe, blacks in the United States, Bulgarians go to rallies against corruption for the third month, they go every weekend. Then they will work for corrupt officials for a week and on the weekend they will again rally against corruption, in the sense of rebelling .. laughing

        Please clarify, maybe I missed something, but really "yellow vests in Europe, blacks in the USA, Bulgarians third month"- this bunch of people are so" zazhralis "that all their free time is spent only on their" protests "?! repeat not for no reason, for no reason?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 12 October 2020 19: 47
          +4
          If there were enough pieces from the master's table, there would be no yellow vests in Europe and rebellious blacks in the USA. And I wanted to notice how their system was organized. Riots of LJ and blacks, they just turned into riots. There was no leading and directing, although the organization was visible. But most importantly, those against whom they rebelled, lifted the lid and let off steam. There is a "cruel, merciless and senseless" riot in Bulgaria against corruption, on weekends. It's generally cool, those against whom they rebel were allowed to rebel, smile but within the framework of the law. Remember in J. Hasek, the Party of Moderate Progress within the framework of the law, here is the same thing ... The ruling parties agreed with the rebels and they agreed, not understanding one thing, agreeing with the ruling, they will not overthrow them ... ...
        2. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 57
          0
          ... Bulgarians third month

          I will answer for Blgar, they have other reasons for protest, and they do not shoot at them there because the life of their citizens is appreciated there
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 18
      +1
      Quote: Corona without virus
      What can we teach modern youth, what ideals to instill in them

      True, if we ourselves betrayed these ideals. (Who charged a can of water from Chumak at the TV, who carried money and MMM ???)
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 12 October 2020 18: 35
    -6
    Of course, you can do it so that there are no riots, there are two options:
    1. Open the gates of the GULAG for all
    2. Option, less popular, to build a democratic society
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 October 2020 18: 52
      +6
      Only those who have owned Russia since 1991 have ideology as a justification for all criminals who have gone through the Gulag in 30 years, and they fiercely hate democracy, are afraid of it.
      1. imobile2008
        imobile2008 12 October 2020 18: 56
        -10 qualifying.
        Yes, all our scientists passed the GULAG, and how many more discoveries would have been made if many had not been shot... And how many military leaders who were hastily pulled out, because there was no one to command in the Second World War. Shouldn't they be justified?
        1. tatra
          tatra 12 October 2020 19: 01
          +7
          There is no need for the eternal hypocrisy of the enemies of the communists, who have proved that you do not care about science, you have only "stools" from the military, and there is no need for your eternal unsubstantiated excuses for criminals. The enemies of the communists, "liberated" by Gorbachev, proved by their own example what a huge number of criminals and enemies of their country and people on the territory of the USSR, who created from the captured republics States in which not honest, smart, talented, but criminals live well.
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          2. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 12 October 2020 20: 31
            -7
            You yourself came to the conclusion that the entire population of Russia is the enemies of the communists
            ... The enemies of the communists "liberated" by Gorbachev proved by their own example what a huge number of criminals and enemies of their country on the territory of the USSR
            1. tatra
              tatra 12 October 2020 20: 59
              +1
              Some kind of perverted understanding of my words. I write "Liberator" of the enemies of the communists Gorbachev - about the fact that when in the late 80s, early 90s, when the enemies of the communists still had something of Soviet moral education, they chanted "Gorbachev gave us freedom", and then their real essence prevailed, they began to throw Gorbachev to the communists and their supporters "but he is not ours, he is your communist."
              1. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 13 October 2020 15: 06
                0
                ... Some kind of perverted understanding of my words.

                I do not have a perverse understanding of your words, I have a good knowledge of history, separated from propaganda and demogogy,
                facts, facts and only facts ...
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 51
        -1
        ... Only those who have owned Russia since 1991 have ideology as a justification for all criminals who have gone through the Gulag in 30 years, and they fiercely hate democracy, are afraid of it.

        That is, a peasant who plows and has his own farm is a criminal?
        Is the organizer of the artel a criminal?
        Is the engineer of tsarist Russia a criminal?
        Is the man who told the joke a criminal?
        In other matters, you are partly right, Yagoda, Yezhov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Tukhachevsky, Egorov, Blucher, Kamenev, were indeed communists and criminals, and they got what they deserved ...
        Bad karma so to speak laughing
    2. nnm
      nnm 12 October 2020 18: 53
      +2
      And what should be the manifestation of a democratic society, which will open the way for us to happiness? What do you personally lack, for example, in comparison with Western democracies?
      1. imobile2008
        imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 10
        -4
        The question is not for me, but still. First, to admit to the elections those for whom I want to vote. The latter were empty.
        That there would be no vote rigging.
        That the president was no more than 8 years in power
        The courts were fair
        Judges and prosecutors could be elected
        Did not steal
        Yet officials there are not as separated from the people as ours.
        1. nnm
          nnm 12 October 2020 19: 13
          +4
          Why on earth? But I don’t want people with criminal records to be admitted to candidates, for example? Moreover, acting.
          Well, who is stopping you from appealing the results of the sections? Well, Merkel has been in prison for more than 8 years, but something in the country is not so bad.
          Electing judges and prosecutors? In other words - or those who know how to bawl more beautifully, or those for whose promotion they will pay?
          They will steal in any style. The question is precisely the inevitability of punishment
          1. imobile2008
            imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 17
            -4
            And I want! Because I know that if our court has condemned someone, it means that he crossed the road for someone. On the other hand, there must be an honest media outlet so that I could understand what was charged to him. But then I will decide who is better with a criminal record, or those who will never attribute a criminal record, despite all the crimes.
            1. nnm
              nnm 12 October 2020 19: 21
              +6
              And you never know what you want. In your favorite democracy, the principle of dominance of the majority opinion. Therefore, you can want anything. But obey the opinion of the majority. And this character is just not necessary - there are clean cases of fraud in both cases. In the sense of ? What media can publish materials from criminal courts? This is not democratic !!!! Sued immediately. Why didn't your under-candidate take and publish all the case materials? Who was stopping him? But he doesn't publish ... Only convenient extracts of individual documents.
              1. imobile2008
                imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 28
                0
                Let's go without demagoguery. There were 2 groups under Yeltsin. Turn on the first channel and find out the whole truth about the other group and the lies about the first one, turn on NTV, the opposite is true. We remove the lies and get an objective picture. It was destroyed. Now only selected droppings are poured from the screens. Journalists cannot ask a single "uncomfortable" question in the eyes for 20 years - this is an indicator. When all those close to Putin steal, and the media are silent, then what kind of inevitable punishment can we talk about
                1. nnm
                  nnm 12 October 2020 19: 31
                  +3
                  I thought no one was watching TV anymore! Do you lack multidirectional sources of information on the Internet? Or Echo, Rain turned off?
                  And where does demagoguery? On the contrary, it was you who were carried away by her - I want it, and so on! And I just reminded you of the principles you advertise. Otherwise, it’s very convenient for you - when it’s convenient for you - shout about democracy, but as your opinion in the minority, go over to shouts about authoritarianism. So decide already.
                  1. imobile2008
                    imobile2008 12 October 2020 19: 33
                    -6
                    You're right, I don't watch TV. Echo and rain too.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 12 October 2020 21: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: imobile2008
                      You're right, I don't watch TV. Echo and rain too.
                      yes? and who then
                      Quote: imobile2008
                      Now only selected droppings are poured from the screens.
                      does the litter look there or not?
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 20: 39
                    +5
                    Quote: nnm
                    I thought no one was watching TV anymore!

                    In my opinion, he hints at Gusinsky's NTV. When those were divided into two camps. Half left NTV, and the other remained.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 12 October 2020 21: 35
          +3
          In most Western democracies, judges and prosecutors are appointed. If judges are elected by the population, then they are of the lowest level, such as our district judges. Prosecutors are elected only in the US state attorney's system. Federal prosecutors (there are two parallel prosecutorial systems, as well as judicial - federal and state) are appointed. Interestingly, in the United States, elections of prosecutors, and in some states and judges, are held by party nomination. That is, candidates for judges and prosecutors openly identify themselves as either Democrats or Republicans. This is not the case in other Western democracies.
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 47
        -1
        ... What do you personally lack, for example, in comparison with Western democracies?

        Change of power, independence of courts,
        Freedom of elections, rights to a referendum, freedom of assembly, real independence of the media,
        Correct taxation system, absence of corruption, observance of laws by all members of society, remove all flashing lights and special convoys, let them stand in traffic jams, transfer officials to bicycles and in the subway
      3. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 13 October 2020 11: 54
        -1
        For example, so that people and parties pass not those approved by the top, but those for whom people actually voted. And it turns out that we have to choose from lesser evils. For example, there are no nationalist parties, although this ideology, and especially among young people, is popular.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 October 2020 19: 37
      +5
      build a democratic society
      And if your democratic society eats the gulag .. Under totalitarianism, the virus would not be allowed. Now they have already planned to "get sick" for another two years.Obviously, this kind of democracy is very profitable.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 21: 20
        -6
        ... .. Under totalitarianism, the virus would not be allowed

        Here one Eastern European leader also shouted that he was wearing a hat, but then he himself admitted that he had been ill ...
    4. ANB
      ANB 12 October 2020 20: 07
      +4
      ... 2. Option, less popular, to build a democratic society

      They built it in the "saints" of the 90s. Yes, and there were no riots, the people thought how not to die of hunger. And you won't get under the pressure of the bandits.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 21: 22
        -7
        In the holy 90s, this construction had just begun, and in the XNUMXs it was all successfully rolled up, and now we have what we have, including Khabarovsk
        1. ANB
          ANB 12 October 2020 22: 46
          +1
          ... In the holy 90s, this construction had just begun, and in the XNUMXs it was all successfully rolled up, and now we have what we have, including Khabarovsk

          No, I'd rather have what I have than a 90s throwback. By the way, in the 90s they just managed to build exactly what they wanted. However, it took 10 years to build.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 07
            -1
            .
            No, I'd rather have what I have than a 90s throwback. By the way, in the 90s they just managed to build exactly what they wanted. However, it took 10 years to build.

            Probably I will tell you a terrible secret that at the end of the 90s, during the rapid growth of markets, many entrepreneurs from these markets began to raise industrial production, open workshops, hire people, the economy began to take off, and with the arrival of the person you know of the successor, all this was violently liquidated ...
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 17: 12
            0
            Quote: ANB
            ... By the way, in the 90s they just managed to build exactly what they wanted.

            And what was built there?
            1. ANB
              ANB 13 October 2020 19: 20
              0
              ... And what was built there?

              Bandit capitalism was built. And they called it democracy.
              Freedom was, at least fill up. The state did not decide anything at all. Well, other than handing over the tasty property into the right hands. And the rest of the questions were decided by the local lads.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 20: 29
                0
                Quote: ANB
                Well, other than handing over the tasty property into the right hands.

                Stick you in your hands, these are correct
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 19
      +5
      Quote: Vadim_888
      Open the gates of the GULAG for everyone

      And who will do this to his friends and accomplices?
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 50
        0
        .
        And who will do this to his friends and accomplices?

        Friends and accomplices will be guards there,
        And whoever is not included in this circle wakes up as inmates
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 October 2020 18: 46
    +5
    If earlier only the words "No bread, eat cakes" led to the revolution. Now a beggar will be offended if he is served bread or something from food. The old woman from "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish" did not become a rebel, thanks to a miracle. Sometimes a demonstrator cannot really explain why he is protesting. But most often this comes from the contradictions that the press and television are presented to us, and what we actually see. "You watch TV, oh my! And when you go out, everything is the same."
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 52
      0
      ... But most often this comes from the contradictions that the press and television are presented to us, and what we see on the very

      This is purely your business if you are fooled by this
      Personally, I check everything on at least three four channels.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 13 October 2020 15: 29
        0
        Vadim: Do you check your life by some information?
  • Kronos
    Kronos 12 October 2020 18: 54
    +8
    Again they call on the poor to unite with the rich.
    1. depressant
      depressant 12 October 2020 21: 49
      +5
      By the way, this is the second article in a row. Timokhin in the next room calls for the same. Like, the enemy is at the gates, the war is close, we will protect Sechin!
      It turns out that war is the last refuge of a scoundrel-politician who does not know how to solve the problems of a state in a state of peace.
      War should write off everything?
    2. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 09: 53
      -1
      ... Again call the poor with the rich to unite


      Do not unite but share
  • Victorm
    Victorm 12 October 2020 18: 56
    11
    Let me give myself an example. Typical day.
    Rise 06.00 hours. Walked the dog in a pair with a light jog, almost an hour. My family returned already for breakfast, at the table for 20-25 minutes, everyone changed their clothes and wherever, the family ran away to work and study. Returned at 18.45 - 19.15, dinner and communication for 30-45 minutes, if we are lucky, then we will walk the dog together after spending an hour together, at home at 21.00 - 21.30. To look at the news, hang up at 22.00.
    I have two children, all the rest of the time they spend at school or at home in front of a zombie box and in a tyrnet, a sports section and dancing.
    How much time can I or my spouse devote to them? ...
    Whatever one may say, but more they are formed and receive information outside the home, plus a zombie box and a turnet, and what is outside the house, on a zombie box and in a tyrnet, forms MIRACLES. We manage to react with his wife to obvious holes and distortions, but the rest - the water wears away the stone ...
    We have underestimated the role and importance of the school, and in fact it gave us not only education, but also shaped us as individuals. What now? Eternal extortions for curtains, the birthday of the director and the classroom, the head teacher and other rubbish? And the introduction is still in kindergarten ... Children see all this and absorb it like a sponge. Children see alternatives - their mother and father each have two towers behind them, but plowing 24/7 to keep themselves in the stratum of the scanty Russian middle class, and the mother and father of a peer or classmate, she is in the social security, and he is in the regional administration, statement for a child they could not fill in without gross mistakes, but they succeed. The child once again absorbs EVERYTHING, sometimes the analysis of this is delayed or stretched in time, but its results are not comforting - we get "people of our time" at the exit, and they are far from us and our traditions and worldview. In the 10th grade, a student declares that it would be a blessing both for the world and for its own population if modern Russia as a state disappeared, as a society that was unable to build a state where freedoms and rights would be protected. Perhaps the starting point is correct, but instead of building his own country as a rule of law, he ALREADY offers its destruction and removal as an unsuccessful and unsuccessful project through the eyes of the NEO population ... Where did he get it? Hardly at home ... Etc.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 12 October 2020 19: 13
      +2
      Where did he get it? Hardly at home ...
      ... And this option, met an American on the street or Navalny ... they taught ... laughing
      1. depressant
        depressant 12 October 2020 21: 54
        +2
        You are joking, but a colleague VictorM outlined everything correctly.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 22: 11
      +4
      Quote: VictorM
      Eternal extortions for curtains, the birthday of the director and the classroom, the head teacher and other rubbish?

      There was no such thing during my studies. They washed the windows, put up pictures, laid linoleum ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2020 23: 33
      +1
      Quote: VictorM
      Rise 06.00 hours. Walked the dog in a pair with a light jog, almost an hour. My family returned already for breakfast, at the table for 20-25 minutes, everyone changed their clothes and wherever, the family ran away to work and study.

      It’s easier for me, at 05.15 am, by bus at 06.15, at 07.00 am I start work and prepare breakfast, then lunch, afternoon tea and supper, and at 21.00 I go home. And I even like it, my wife itches less.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 00
        -1
        ... 07.00 started work and cook breakfast, then lunch, afternoon tea and dinner, at 21.00 I go home.

        Excuse me, who do you work for? A cook?
        Average cooking time for breakfast 15 minutes, lunch 2 hours (at least 1 hour) afternoon tea - 5 minutes, dinner 1 hour.
        Time for breakfast 20 minutes, lunch 30 minutes, afternoon tea 15 minutes, dinner 30 minutes.
        Total for all processes 5 hours, do you have a 9 hour working day?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 October 2020 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Vadim_888
          Excuse me, who do you work for? A cook?
          Average cooking time for breakfast 15 minutes, lunch 2 hours (at least 1 hour) afternoon tea - 5 minutes, dinner 1 hour.

          Breakfast 15 minutes, lunch and dinner 30 minutes (during the working day). Micro cooker, rice cooker, two microwaves, refrigerator (plus a basement for cucumbers.) Office manager of an office building. I cook purely only for myself (you need to respect yourself beloved).
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 11
            0
            hi thanks for the honest answer, this is rare
            hi
  • Svarog
    Svarog 12 October 2020 19: 10
    +5
    Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions?

    It is possible and necessary. But I'm afraid this will require a revolution. A socially just state will provide this condition, but that would be such a state ... just because we do not distribute justice .. we need to fight for it.
    The communists gave up power without a fight .. and the bourgeoisie will never do that ..
    1. your1970
      your1970 12 October 2020 21: 08
      -2
      Quote: Svarog
      The communists gave up power without a fight .. and the bourgeoisie will never do that ..
      -Rivers of blood?
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 12 October 2020 19: 11
    +2
    Once upon a time, we were enlightened about the "bright future" and were told that there would be no state, there would be no punitive superstructures - everyone would be immensely happy, highly moral and free. To the question of one "balamut", - "It turns out that if I fuck Lenka sitting next to me, they just call me to the meeting?", The lecturer, fell into a stupor! The state and society cannot erase the personality, and with it arrogance, envy, greed, greed, desires. This problem cannot be solved!
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 12 October 2020 23: 57
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir61
      "It turns out that if I fuck Lenka sitting next to me, they just call me to the meeting?", The lecturer, fell into a stupor!

      The lecturer was simply zero.
      The answer is elementary.
      1) In a communist society, you simply do not want to rape Lenka.
      2) Even if you want to and rape, you will be imprisoned. The absence of the state does not mean the absence of governance, and violence as such
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 13 October 2020 02: 05
        +1
        Quote: Odyssey
        The lecturer was just zero
        Your answer is zero, like that of that lecturer! You either have forgotten or do not know that the cornerstone of this ideology was EDUCATION OF A NEW PERSON. It is impossible only to educate a new person, in conditions of social inequality, between a layer of power and a worker.
        These are the lecturers and their curators, and led our country, first to the substitution of the essence of the socialist state, and then to its complete collapse.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 13 October 2020 14: 46
          0
          Quote: Vladimir61
          Your answer is zero, like that of that lecturer! You have either forgotten or do not know that the cornerstone of this ideology was the EDUCATION OF A NEW MAN

          Don't be nervous. My answer is simply correct. The fact that in a communist society you do not want to rape Lenka means that a new person has been formed.
          Quote: Vladimir61
          It is impossible only to educate a new person, in conditions of social inequality, between a layer of power and a worker.

          1) The formation of a new person has always been successfully engaged, and now this is the main management strategy. You can do anything with a person, up to the point that he sees white, and says that it is black (such experiments were staged)
          No social equality is absolutely necessary here.
          2) In the late USSR, there was just excess social equality (excess relative to the country's real position in the Cold War and the level of consciousness of citizens), and the most underpaid layer was the "nomenklatura". What caused the restructuring carried out not by ordinary workers, but by this very nomenclature. Moreover, under the slogans of "social equality".
          But the fact that 30 years have passed, and there are people who have not understood anything, this is really a disaster .......
    2. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 05
      -1
      ... , there will be no punitive superstructures,

      The lecturer forgot about compulsory medical institutions,
      Yes, they would be summoned to a meeting, and by general vote they decided to forcibly castrate, or put to sleep ...

      In Napoleon's army there were comradely courts - cowards to the wall ..,.
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 12 October 2020 19: 12
    +1
    ..., - the content of the article, but the title is correct - it is correct ..., and a discussion on this topic is needed ... Revolutions are necessary ..., no matter how people repudiate and save themselves from them, moreover, they should be permanent - - greetings from Trotsky, And so that life would not seem like honey to Marxists ..., Communism is a quick and painless change of elites - and the form of ownership is secondary here, the communists very selectively quoted Marx ... It's time to remember the anarchists Kropotkin and Bakunin, there are very considered the principles of democracy and local self-government ..., a network state - a multipolar world
  • datura23
    datura23 12 October 2020 19: 14
    -5
    kill rioters and start riots at the enemy's home
  • Victorm
    Victorm 12 October 2020 19: 16
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir61
    The state and society cannot erase the personality, and with it arrogance, envy, greed, greed, desires. This problem cannot be solved!
    This religion cannot overcome for centuries! laughing Where is the state? A person in terms of his manifestations of LIVESTOCK, but even livestock can be directed in some general framework, but we have a mess.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 October 2020 19: 29
      0
      Quote: VictorM
      This religion cannot overcome for centuries!

      Man himself must fight, he has a free choice.
      Quote: VictorM
      A person in terms of his manifestations LIVESTOCK

      There is another opinion, namely, that the worm is a toilet, although the essence of this does not change.
      Quote: VictorM
      and we have a mess

      It is not entirely clear who has it.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 October 2020 19: 22
    +6
    The article can be read in the voice of Mikhalkov. Out of respect for the author, I finished the sermon.
    Words never convinced anyone, not even a child. Education by word is useless. Here deeds and results can become an example for passionaries. Unfortunately, all "people of long will" go into a symbiosis of bandits and security officials. This is now morality, a dream, and a social lift. They no longer go to officials and businesses: everything is "busy" there!
    These four "social strata" are power. And no one will take it away.
    About the "revolution" a little strange from the author. The second generation of the Russian Federation is growing absolutely apolitical. Since the 90s, everyone has become accustomed to relying on themselves for social handouts. Even communists cannot be lured to the "barricades" now.
    Such a world order is still indestructible "until the stars converge with the sun."
  • Alien From
    Alien From 12 October 2020 19: 24
    +1
    It is possible to make sure that there are no revolutions, but only for this they do not give cookies ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 October 2020 19: 30
      -1
      Their puppeteers give cookies to the enemies of the communists not for revolutions, but for coups d'état. And the revolution in the territory of the former USSR is feared both by the enemies of the communists themselves and by their Western and European puppeteers.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 20: 40
        -8
        Communist citizens, go to Africa or South America and arrange your revolutions there, but leave us alone and give us the opportunity to build a normal society without terror, at least like in Bulgaria hi
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 22: 16
          +2
          Quote: Vadim_888
          at least like in Bulgaria

          Why not as in Bolivaria?
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 08: 46
            -1
            ... Why not as in Bolivaria?

            Download it there and there and you will understand that the communists need to keep the people in poverty and in the zones and to eat the caviar with spoons from the bucket
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 13 October 2020 10: 06
              -1
              Roll, visit both Bolivia and Bulgaria and compare live
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 17: 15
              0
              Quote: Vadim_888
              the communists need to keep the people in poverty and in the zones and themselves eat caviar with spoons from the bucket

              Hey, you stupid person, it was under the communists that I ate caviar with spoons.
        2. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 15
          -2
          ... Citizens of the Communists, go to Africa or South America and arrange your revolutions there, but leave us alone and give us the opportunity to build a normal society without terror, at least like in Bulgaria hi


          Judging by the number of minuses, the communists will not give Russia a normal development, they will have to collect food for deprivation of their citizenship and deportation to Bolivia or Angola, where they belong wassat laughing
  • Victorm
    Victorm 12 October 2020 19: 29
    -1
    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: VictorM
    This religion cannot overcome for centuries!

    Man himself must fight, he has a free choice.
    Quote: VictorM
    A person in terms of his manifestations LIVESTOCK

    There is another opinion, namely, that the worm is a toilet, although the essence of this does not change.
    Quote: VictorM
    and we have a mess

    It is not entirely clear who has it.

    One in the field is not a warrior, there is a concept of social identity and personal. Personal is just a twig in that broom ...
    ...........
    Yes, anywhere in the former USSR.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 October 2020 19: 35
      -4
      And, don't others have a mess, even if they are organizing revolutions, they are also not much different from worms.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 12 October 2020 19: 31
    +3
    The whole point came down to the last paragraph. No matter how good it was in the USSR, no matter how nostalgic you are, don't try to buzz, look for a way out, maybe you will find it.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 12 October 2020 19: 41
    +1
    Staver posed the question, but did not give a clear answer.
    Meanwhile, he has long been known.

    In order for the country to have no riots and revolutions, there must be a competitive electoral system, from local elections to presidential elections.
    With independent journalism and the judiciary.

    In the course of the election campaign, the rivals, with the help of journalists, will dig up all the negative of each other, which guarantees that fools and moral monsters will not fall into the leadership.
    The identified crooks and thieves will be imprisoned by independent judges.

    The independent parliament will promptly rein in the presumptuous president, and if necessary, remove ahead of schedule.

    If there is autocracy in the country, then any tsar without criticism inevitably begins to bury himself, which means that rebellion and revolution are inevitable.
    1. domokl
      12 October 2020 21: 09
      +4
      Quote: Arzt
      Staver posed the question, but did not give a clear answer.

      You gave it. I do not like bird-feeding the chicks from my own crop.
      But about the electoral system. Remember the last presidential election. Until now, the society is divided over Grudinin. Did the journalists lie or not? The elections passed and everyone calmed down. When the aforementioned character started being raided, did this somehow affect his rating? Only those who had no opinion changed their opinion. For supporters, materials about financial fraud were a "duck", for opponents, "one more proof." So your system is down.
      About an independent parliament ... Look at the Constitution. What is our republic? It is the president who will rein in the presumptuous parliament ...
      Judicial independence? Are they addicted today? From whom?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 12 October 2020 21: 12
        12
        Quote: domokl
        Judicial independence? Are they addicted today? From whom?

        Today everyone is dependent on money and power, but independent of conscience and responsibility.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 12 October 2020 21: 26
        -3
        Until now, the society is divided over Grudinin. Did the journalists lie or not? The elections passed and everyone calmed down.

        This is what we are talking about. Only you put the question wrong. We must say whether the journalists lied or they were ORDERED to lie. Do you feel the difference?

        When the aforementioned character started being attacked, did this somehow affect his rating?

        Sure. He is a political corpse. He was taken out of the fight, and not the fact that by legal means. But you are right, it would not have passed in the States either, but no one there rock the boat from those who have a stigma in the fluff. Do you understand the meaning?

        About an independent parliament ... Look at the Constitution. What is our republic? It is the president who will rein in the presumptuous parliament ...

        Again you are right. And this means that the revolution is inevitable here. Perhaps with the further disintegration of the country.

        Judicial independence? Are they addicted today? From whom?

        As they say - No comment. laughing
        1. ANB
          ANB 13 October 2020 07: 30
          0
          ... We must say whether the journalists lied or they were ORDERED to lie. Do you feel the difference?

          Nobody ordered them. How can a freelance journalist be ordered? They just got paid. Show me a journalist who works for free.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 13 October 2020 10: 58
            0
            Nobody ordered them. How can a freelance journalist be ordered? They just got paid. Show me a journalist who works for free.

            Who paid? The editors of their newspapers? And who paid the editors?

            If in the West a journalist writes bullshit about a politician, he will be sued for libel and jailed. And we will be awarded.
            That is the difference. tongue
            1. your1970
              your1970 13 October 2020 20: 20
              0
              Quote: Arzt
              If in the West a journalist writes bullshit about a politician, he will be sued for libel and jailed.
              -when they wrote about Trump knowingly lies the American media (the famous "fake news" !!) - many were sued and imprisoned?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 13 October 2020 21: 48
                0
                when the American media wrote deliberate lies about Trump (famous "fake news" !!) - were they sued and jailed?

                This is a question for Trump's election tactics. He decided it was more profitable to be a victim.

                The main thing is that there is a real competitive process.
                Can you imagine that our journalists in the course of the election race give fakes against you know who? bully
                1. your1970
                  your1970 13 October 2020 21: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Can you imagine that our journalists in the course of the election race give fakes against you know who?
                  -and you "Echo of Moscow" read the election time ... there was a lot of everything, including the notorious stories ... and even about the electronic media - there is not even a conversation - they honestly poured slop on ALL ...
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 13 October 2020 22: 04
                    0
                    -and you "Echo of Moscow" read the election time ... there was a lot of everything, including notorious stories ... and even about the electronic media - there is not even a conversation - they honestly poured slop on EVERYONE ...

                    I'll go to sleep, I don't want to argue.
                    Convinced.
                    We have an independent Echo and the courts are fair and the elections are competitive.
                    We are not threatened with a revolution, everything is calm in Baghdad. wink
          2. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 20
            +1
            Quote: ANB
            ... We must say whether the journalists lied or they were ORDERED to lie. Do you feel the difference?

            Nobody ordered them. How can a freelance journalist be ordered? They just got paid. Show me a journalist who works for free.

            Firing from work and injunctive relief on journalism is the proper reward for such journalism. hi
    2. your1970
      your1970 12 October 2020 21: 13
      +2
      Quote: Arzt
      In the course of the election campaign, the rivals, with the help of journalists, will dig up all the negative of each other, which guarantees that fools and moral monsters will not fall into the leadership.
      The identified crooks and thieves will be imprisoned by independent judges.
      -you ... we won't walk far -Furgal ...
      I have come across a little with both the "metalworkers" and the "woodmen", so I believe in the accusation ....
      And someone's people do not believe either the media or the courts - although I am sure, too, as I know - what metal and timber are in the 90s ...
      And where, then, is the guarantee against getting into the manual of the categories you named?
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 12 October 2020 21: 33
        0
        -you ... we won't walk far -Furgal ...
        I have come across a little with both the "metalworkers" and the "woodmen", so I believe in the accusation ....
        And someone's people do not believe either the media or the courts - although I am sure, too, as I know - what metal and timber are in the 90s ...
        And where, then, is the guarantee against getting into the manual of the categories you named?

        You are right about everything and you yourself answered all the questions.

        We do not know the customer Furgal or not. Because we have a muddy judicial system and the people do not believe.

        Therefore - welcome to the Far Eastern Republic! laughing

        But in Great Britain everything is clear, there Berezovsky and Abramovich stood in front of Elizabeth Gloucester with their paws tucked in. Despite billions. winked
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 October 2020 17: 51
          0
          1)
          Quote: Arzt
          But in Great Britain everything is clear, there Berezovsky and Abramovich stood in front of Elizabeth Gloucester with their paws tucked in. Despite billions.

          - 1)baroness and 2)Queen's advisor....
          99,99% of officials would stand in front of Putin's advisor also tucking legs

          2) but then just beauty - everything is clear in the UK, honest / incorruptible judges
          2012 year
          “A scandal is brewing around Judge Elizabeth Gloucester, who at the end of August ruled on a high-profile trial between Russian oligarchs Boris Berezovsky and Roman Abramovich. Berezovsky accused Gloucester, considered one of the best representatives of British justice, of receiving a family member of £ 500 from defendant Abramovich.
          According to Berezovsky, who, as you know, lost in the "trial of the century", the judge used illegal methods in the examination of his claim against Abramovich in the amount of 3,5 billion pounds.
          As Berezovsky points out, Gloucester's stepson attorney Andrew Popplewell represented the defendant in the case she was hearing and received £ 469 from him in payment for services, writes the British newspaper The Sunday Times.
          The publication notes that according to the rules of ethics of conduct issued by the Lord Chief Justice of Great Britain, the judge must recuse himselfif any of his family members, including stepsons or stepdaughters, has anything to do with or represents one of the parties, writes InoPressa.
          According to the newspaper, Andrew Popplewell worked for Abramovich from 2007 to 2011. Elizabeth Gloucester did not hide this fact and even publicly announced it at the preliminary hearing. But the judge did not recuse himself."
          More details: https://www.newsru.com/world/24sep2012/berezovsky.html

          Quote: Arzt
          we have a muddy judicial and legal system
          - but not in Great Britain, yeah, yeah ... my son took 500 pounds and for some reason the case was decided in favor of Abramovich

          I hope you understand - that you (you personally !!! not me !!) gave an example wild corruption in the UK judicial system.
          But our system is cloudy - and their transparent, like a baby's tear ...
          Even in our country, the judge would at least have resigned - in the presence of such weighty evidence of corruption (the fact that her son received money was recognized even by herself).
          But in the UK, gentlemen take their word for it - she said, "No effect!" and basta

          "This judge is considered one of the best representatives of British justice." - if there are such best belay belay ......
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 13 October 2020 21: 43
            0
            This judge is considered one of the best representatives of British justice. "- if there are such best belay belay ......

            Good comment. But there are nuances. wink
            1. I understand that you consider the Soviet court not only the most humane, but also the most just and incorruptible.
            However, for some reason, both oligarchs were suing in London.

            2. The judge immediately announced the participation of a relative in the case. And Borya could immediately challenge. However, he did not.

            3. If Berezovsky was not satisfied with the decision of the court, he could appeal. However, he limited himself to hitting his stepson.

            3. The decision of the court with all the reasons was published in Forbes. Anyone can look and draw conclusions. My conclusion is that Borya decided to try to chop a ball lightly.

            And another comment from the forum:
            “You are a strange people, Russians! - he said, taking a drag on his cigarette: "First, let me not understand who is robbing you, and then you watch with pleasure and discuss how they share it in Western courts."
            1. your1970
              your1970 13 October 2020 22: 42
              0
              1) I don't think so - you attribute to me OWN opinion. And this is the very fake ...

              2)
              Quote: your1970
              according to the rules of ethics of conduct issued by the Lord Chief Justice of Great Britain, a judge should take a rejection,
              - Bori's right - to demand or not to demand the disqualification of the judge. But the judge was MANDATORY(!!!) take a self-rejection.

              3) “The process of the year was the confrontation in the High Court of London between Roman Abramovich and Boris Berezovsky, who tried to prove that he owned shares in Sibneft and RUSAL, and therefore demanded $ 5,6 billion from the owner of Chelsea. British lawyers have earned 150 million"-the court ordered to pay the costs of Abramovich 35 million -BAB. The rest are the costs of the BAB himself ...
              That is, Bori could have stupidly already had practically no money for an appeal, by this time he had not been a billionaire for a long time ..

              4)
              Quote: Arzt
              The court's decision with all the reasons was published in Forbes ...
              -did you read 500+ pages decisions on this case ???

              5)
              Quote: Arzt
              My conclusion is that Borya decided to try to chop a ball lightly.
              -there was a layout sooooo funny and kind of transparent
              "16 years have passed since that moment, and most of the documents that could help shed light and clarify the essence of the relationship between Berezovsky and Abramovich were lost or destroyed as unnecessary, which, in the opinion of the London court, is quite logical in the course of doing business."
              In fact it was - word against word
              The complete opposite of Berezovsky was Abramovich's "thoughtful" speech, the sincerity (!!!) of which the London court (!!!) does not doubt (!!!)... "As a witness, Mr. Abramovich appeared as a person who is distinguished by exactingness to details, reliability and clarity of expression," the court's decision says.

              You take 500 thousand pounds, give it to whoever needs it, and voila, you give "reliable testimony". Moreover, I am sure that if BAB did not believe in honesty lol lol English court, but I would have stupidly thrown some money to this stepson - it's not a fact that Abramovich would have won, not a fact at all ...

              Cherry on the cake
              Alexander Goldfarb, who was a witness at the trial in London, commented on the accusations of Judge Gloucester of a conflict of interest and violation of the moral judicial code.
              “I was a witness at this trial, and if I knew that there are reasons to doubt the objectivity of the judge, I would not go to speak there. Now we are talking about the reputation of the British judicial system. Therefore, I believe that it is a matter of honor for English justice to understand this muddy(!!!) stories", - he said.

              ZY I don't care about the moral character of the English judicial and state system, to an absolute vacuum - even if they start eating English babies for breakfast.
              I just do not like it when they start rubbing me in what honest and decent officials and the state are everywhere - except us ...
              Yes, we have a mountain of problems with this, but our mountain of problems is a slide in a sandbox compared to Everest of what is happening in the rest of the world
              God forbid whitewash is our thieves - but also praise their type "honesty" is nonsense
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 20: 02
    +7
    then dances in the streets with songs praising Krishna, who is in the forefront of opponents of everything and everyone? It's terrible to say, but this is the country's intellectual elite.
    And where else is Krishna glorified? I haven't seen it since the 90s.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 October 2020 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      I have not seen since the 90s

      Yes, I also noticed and, also in the 90s, only saw them.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 20: 23
        0
        Quote: bober1982
        in the 90s I only saw them.

        Somehow Jehovah's Witnesses came to see a friend in the 90s. Here, they say, there is a good boy, and let's marry you, so that your lost soul does not disappear anywhere ...
        And in general ... I remember that Hitler was sold in the form of an icon, with a halo on his head.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 12 October 2020 21: 44
          0
          On the one hand, Jehovah's Witnesses came from the West. On the other hand, their categorical rejection of homosexuality is not typical of modern Western people.
    2. domokl
      12 October 2020 21: 10
      +1
      And I see every Saturday ... Even in the cold in winter. They dance and sing songs. Sometimes they give out some sweets to everyone ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 12 October 2020 22: 24
        0
        Quote: domokl
        And I see every Saturday ... Even in the cold in winter. They dance and sing songs.

        Go around them twenty meters away ... Otherwise they will dance so that all the property will be on them. I saw, I know ...
    3. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 11: 22
      -1
      ... countries. And where else is Krishna glorified? I haven't seen it since the 90s.

      In the summer we walked along the Arbat, near VDNKh I also saw
  • maktub
    maktub 12 October 2020 20: 06
    -2
    It's all about human psychology
    Even in an "ideal" society, there is a percentage of dissatisfied (not mine, somewhere I read laughing )
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 October 2020 20: 09
    +5
    A couple of poignant moments (in my opinion)
    1) Angela Merkel is a native of the East of Germany as she is, she even won some kind of Olympiad in the Russian language in her youth and visited the USSR. How many years have been at the helm of a united Germany ...?
    It is incorrect to pose the question here from the point of view of discrimination - it is correct to pose it in terms of the level of education. In Germany (albeit with the support of the United States) they built a powerful economy, and it was successful. The standard of living was growing, the products of the FRG conquered new markets, and so on. Behind all this (success) were well-trained professionals, who were not required to cram the basics and history of Marxism-Leninism, and so on. this time and effort were used by them for training (with less influence of the ideological prism in everything, and this influence was enormous). These professionals, finishing their careers, gained experience of adequate success - and some of them trained the next generation of specialists in their fields.
    In the GDR, however, the line of success was thinner, it took more time for various nonsense, and most importantly, this line was stopped - and consequently there was less continuity of political and other successful activities flowing into a political career - there were fewer images of success and competence in decision-making "in the flesh" - it was less.
    It is with us you can sit in politics because you are an actor or boxer or singer - Germans are very practical people. They are interested in competence and experience of success.

    2) As for "is it possible without riots" and "why do young people see only personal gain." You know, life, like nature, is based on simple fundamental laws. If the energy was wasted, the experience transfers it further along the chain, and the following individuals of Homo sapiens (in theory) draw some kind of evolutionary conclusions from this. In our country, they traditionally spit on objective history, and even more so on some fundamental laws - due to low literacy of management, high authoritarian tendencies, etc. One involuntarily recalls the king Xerxes who commanded to punish the sea for scattering its pontoon bridge .. this is a very good, albeit grotesque example of the attitude of our authorities (perhaps historically, maybe from some period) to some simple axioms of the world order and human order.
    But I got carried away - my thought is really simple - our history of the last hundred years, all this heroism and horrific sacrifices - have brought us to the present day, in which we clearly see that the circle has closed in general, and resources have been spent. All these nationalizations, expropriations, endless verbiage about "popular", "fraternal" and so on, etc. - everything came to the form in which it was - namely to the most primitive type of capitalism and brainwashing in hand with it. Young people, albeit intuitively, FEEL this - that all this swarming and verbiage is empty. And tomorrow they can take away, steal, spend on some kind of nonsense and then not find the ends, justify and legitimize - cancel and suppress, in general, nothing personally useful - there will be an endless activity closed on itself. With justification, deduction, smart (seemingly) little people who will prove and inspire, and then "repainted". As a result, the picture of past actions of our not so long history is the essence of rubbish for the modern pragmatist. Who behind all this will see the REAL MEANING only from real things that are directly in his hands. In what he can buy, sell, exchange.

    All this is a natural evolutionary response to all the lies and game that they got up with the state and continue to get up. Unbelief reigns there, where the price of faith is a donut hole.
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 October 2020 20: 53
      +4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      All this is a natural evolutionary response to all the lies and game that they got up with the state and continue to get up. Unbelief reigns there, where the price of faith is a donut hole.
      Somehow you dumped everything in one heap - ideology, economics, then seasoned the pseudo-liberals with demagogy, then dragged in more faith and finished on that note! After all, the state is not only territories, it is also people, therefore there can be no "natural evolutionary answer" due to the fact that each person has his own understanding of life, and if the Union became a leading world power in 9 years of industrialization, which subsequently won the 2nd World war by a country that extended its influence over half the world, which means that the people who lived in this country believed in what they were doing! Another thing is how the next generations disposed of what they inherited! The country is able to exist only with its constant forward movement, with the constant improvement of the lives of its citizens, otherwise nothing of the country will remain, which happened to the Union after a long stagnation and the subsequent "restructuring", which there was simply no one to govern due to the fact that for it needed people of remarkable intelligence, and not petty careerists who cannot put two and two together, or "young reformers" who could only destroy, but never create. Chubais is a creator !? It's funny! laughing
      1. your1970
        your1970 12 October 2020 21: 19
        -5
        Quote: businessv
        if the Union in 9 years of industrialization became a leading world power, which subsequently won the 2nd World War by a country that extended its influence over half the world, then the people who lived in this country believed in what they were doing!
        -if they BELIEVED - in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR not it took to enter a lot of articles for DISBELIEF... And heaps of rather strict laws like "7/8" ...
        People then lived an ordinary life and fought when it became necessary - but it is not necessary to attribute to them something that did not exist
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 October 2020 22: 25
        -2
        The natural evolutionary answer goes through the fact that those who willingly participated in all these state processes and gave themselves up to them completely (choosing not selfishness in its healthy form) - died and did not leave (or left less) offspring, left their offspring with fewer available resources or not left at all - and so on, through all the ordinary evolutionary laws on the list, which also apply to people, as well as to all living things. In the case of developed capitalist countries, the participation of individuals in the movements of the state was more likely to promise a more understandable and accessible benefit in a time period of life, which is also more sustainable - than the result that we have seen from 1991 to the present day. ...

        All these arguments that "the state is not only ..." are superficial and philosophy. Philosophy and its weaving is good and to the place where there is an edible and felt result of loyalty to this philosophy - this is another simple truth that is often forgotten by lovers of "primordial braces" and "highly moral rods". For the fact that the Olympic runner from his excessive efforts in the marathon - his legs fell off and a heart attack occurred - they do not give a gold medal. This is an example of how in the real, and sometimes to the disgust of the material world - the assessment is based on the result, and not on the effort expended. And the result is determined by the structural and aesthetic completion of the efforts in some useful form. This I mean what you said about the USSR and the victory in the Second World War, industrialization, etc.
        Today (after the conceptual completion of all efforts in 1991) we can NOT compare the horrific sacrifices and costs of the past with what we have now. Consequently - most of these costs from a material point of view - are not justified in any way (and are not heroic).

        So that you do not cling to the words, I will separately explain that I am talking about the array of efforts IN GENERAL, gone ANYWHERE, and not evaluating the historical path or its individual episodes. I say - FACT.
        To re-involve people who are aware of this logic in some kind of state-oriented and constructive activity is an incredibly difficult and responsible WORK, which is not even close to being tough for modern elites. Therefore, instead of involvement, old, proven and discredited tools are used - deception, violence, and so on. Which further exacerbates the above problem. It is essentially a loop.
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 14: 48
          -2
          ... To re-involve people who are aware of this logic in some kind of state-oriented and constructive activity is an incredibly difficult and responsible WORK,

          Well, there is no need to involve anyone anywhere, just GIVE PEOPLE JUSTICE, and the state takes on a new attractive form
  • iouris
    iouris 12 October 2020 20: 28
    +2
    A generation brought up on textbooks approved by the US State Department, on laws written in the USA and translated into Russian. language (by the way, for a lot of money), which did not work with either hands or head, takes control. There will be nothing.
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 October 2020 21: 05
      -1
      Unfortunately, as soon as Gorbachev gave freedom of speech to the enemies of the communists, back in Perestroika it became clear that there are many people on the territory of the USSR with low intelligence, easily inspired, who are easily manipulated by their anti-Soviet-Russophobic puppeteers.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 12 October 2020 21: 28
        -7
        ... Back in Perestroika, it became clear that there are many people on the territory of the USSR with low intelligence, easily suggestible, easily manipulated by their anti-Soviet-Russophobic puppeteers

        Don't you like the Russian people? - so you are a true communist ...
  • businessv
    businessv 12 October 2020 20: 30
    +4
    It seems to me that both of these processes are negative and did not bring happiness to the peoples they affected.
    Only today, while discussing with colleagues the consequences of the collapse of the Union, we came to a unanimous decision that our ancestors were wise, having united states within the borders of Russia that cannot exist separately. I'm talking about the republics of the former great Union, because they, our former republics, have not learned to exist separately! Each is now looking for "her own path", which consists in finding the next "big brother". Azerbaijan has definitely found it, Ukraine too, but for how long? About our youth, too, everything is for sure! Alexander, thanks for the article! As always, interesting, sad and timely! hi
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 12 October 2020 20: 53
    +3
    I agree with the author on the whole. His point of view is close to me.
    What else can I say? ..
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 12 October 2020 21: 41
    0
    ha ha ha. Idialism and misunderstanding of nothing in its purest form.
    ".... I guess we need to join forces in this search. ...."

    You tell Chubais, Rogozin or Usmanov this. Or the Belarusian security officials.
    They will help to combine efforts with ankle boots on the ribs. Breaking through your head if you "join forces" in the protection of the Khimki forest. Throwing out from work, if you whale a superjet or spending on cosmodoms and "trampolines"


    They write that such "solidarity" is the initial stage of fascism.
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 October 2020 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: Alex2000
      They write that such "solidarity" is the initial stage of fascism.
      They also write a lot on the fences!
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 13 October 2020 22: 07
        0
        Happy for you. You read what is on the fences and argue it.
  • 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 12 October 2020 21: 51
    +3
    The author of the article looks like a person who approached the aquarium with fish and sprinkled something on the surface of the water, but not food. The fish began greedily grabbing and pulling this something to different sides, but soon realizing that it was not edible, they cooled down to this something and began to just swim as before ...
    The people of the former Union did not understand everything that they had lost (especially those who did not live at that time) that is why some are already in the EU, others are rowing there with all their blades, others with open mouths are looking in the same direction - maybe something will fall, and the rest would like to, but will not be allowed, that's for sure. There is no question of any kind of association, albeit I have become a little deaf (some experts do not count). In the Russian Federation itself, a stopper will soon come - are we building correctly and what we are building and where we are going and what values ​​should we be guided by, and are they Russians and what faith to adhere to .... In short, this is bullshit or another "star" on our shoulders))
  • businessv
    businessv 12 October 2020 21: 54
    +2
    Quote: your1970
    - if they BELIEVED, it was not necessary to enter a lot of articles for DISbelief in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. And heaps of rather strict laws like "7/8" ...

    Justify please! Do you want to say that people sacrificed themselves only out of fear of the Criminal Code ?! You are either a hardened cynic, or just a provocateur, colleague!
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 October 2020 21: 56
    +1
    why Uzbekistan became a cotton capital

    Do you mean that mega-history with postscripts?
  • AML
    AML 12 October 2020 22: 03
    -1
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    All this is a natural evolutionary response to all the lies and game that they got up with the state and continue to get up. Unbelief reigns there, where the price of faith is a donut hole.


    In theory, a person differs from a belly in that he is given free will. In practice, this is not the case. Human consciousness is manipulated up and down. And I'm not talking about conspiracy theories now, but about simple everyday things. You go to the store - manipulations, watch the news - manipulations, go to the doctor - manipulations. Most people don't even know about it, they just live in a stream and that's it. But ignorance of the rules does not absolve from responsibility. The human brain is overwhelmed. He can no longer cope with the flow of information that falls on him. You just have to learn to abstract from all the garbage. It is difficult, but everyone can do it. Read the book "The Psychology of Consciousness" at your leisure. It is written in good language and is quite intelligible. The book is intended for salespeople, but I recommend it nonetheless. Just do not read voraciously for a day, but stretch it out for a month and you will understand the meaning of what I have written.

    There is no need to blame anyone for the lack of faith. People simply cannot believe, they do not have enough strength for faith.

    PySy. The book is given as an example, but in principle, any other intended for marketers will do. And no, I'm not a marketer :)
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 October 2020 22: 32
      -1
      Quote: AML
      The human brain is overwhelmed. He can no longer cope with the flow of information that falls on him.

      Therefore, in the evening after work, as if hypnotized, he climbs into the Internet to get more informational supplements before going to bed. What kind of strength is there on faith, if there are hardly any left for the topvarchik)).

  • AML
    AML 12 October 2020 22: 18
    0
    Quote: Vadim_888
    Communist citizens, go to Africa or South America and arrange your revolutions there, but leave us alone and give us the opportunity to build a normal society without terror, at least like in Bulgaria hi

    When were you in Bulgaria for the last time and were you at all?
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 14: 40
      -2
      Literally not long ago, but why do you need it? Is your brother not allowed there?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 13 October 2020 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Vadim_888
        Is your brother not allowed there?

        Our brother has no money. Let me give you an example. He worked in the UPP VOS, there it was necessary to collect 360 giblets for shocks in a shift. For the minimum wage, minus a third.
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 13 October 2020 18: 39
          0
          I can only sympathize about the lack of money
  • shura7782
    shura7782 12 October 2020 22: 18
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    Judicial independence? Are they addicted today? From whom?

    Suddenly. Is that what sarcasm is? Look, at least, the trial of Platoshkin. There you will get an absolutely clear answer to your question.
  • AML
    AML 12 October 2020 23: 24
    -1
    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Quote: AML
    The human brain is overwhelmed. He can no longer cope with the flow of information that falls on him.

    Therefore, in the evening after work, as if hypnotized, he climbs into the Internet to get more informational supplements before going to bed. What kind of strength is there on faith, if there are hardly any left for the topvarchik)).


    You will laugh, but yes, including. I had a fairly long period of time when I slept 3-4 hours a day. Everything else went to work, minus natural needs. And yes, as hypnotized. The work is a wagon and every day you think that a pancake cannot go on for so long, but I will resist, another week and the work will be finished. And then, one more, and after it another, but you still continue to believe that this week is the last. I am not like hours, I wasted days. You think today is Wednesday and today is Friday.
  • AML
    AML 12 October 2020 23: 30
    -3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: AML
    Riots are human nature.

    It is rightly said, but the rulers must be able to quickly and in the bud to liquidate these riots


    The biggest mistake a person makes is that he thinks that someone owes something to someone. No one owes nothing to nobody. Everything else is a notion to amuse your self.
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  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 12 October 2020 23: 39
    +4
    A bit strange article. Almost all the questions raised in it have long been resolved. Let's go through the points.
    1) Is it possible to avoid revolutions at all? No, radical (revolutionary) changes in the state of science, technology, society are just as inevitable as evolutionary development.
    2) Can political revolutions be avoided? Yes, but after the victory of communism all over the world. Revolutions will remain, but they will not be political in nature, that is, as long as it is pure theory.
    Within the framework of civil society (and its economic shell - capitalism), political revolutions cannot be avoided. They are immanently embedded in its very nature. Another thing is that now they are trying to make them virtual, that is, not affecting property relations.
    3) Is there a connection between revolution, "bloody", revolt, collapse of the state? No, these are all different concepts. There is no connection here.
    4) Can there be a revolution for the good? Of course yes. But it can be harmful. We need to look at what kind of revolution, in the name of what, why and what driving forces it has.
    However, judging by Navalny's photo, and stories about young people who "have Western cars" but have no meaning in life, the main idea of ​​the article is not an attempt to rediscover all the laws of social science, but is more utilitarian. Protect the existing state. The goal is not bad, but the author's attempt is pointless.
    The main enemy of the Russian Federation is the power of the Russian Federation itself. It was she who created those social conditions and the culture in which young people are brought up. It was she who created Navalny, that is, those even more liberal forces that will become her gravedigger.
    "Tom doesn't have to go far behind the devil who has the devil behind his shoulders."
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 October 2020 02: 43
    +1
    Where did they come from? Did the Americans teach? Yes, in most towns and villages of our country, Americans have never been seen! For the locals, an American and an alien are one and the same.
    fool Precisely the Americans. 24 hours a day on all channels about a beautiful life and preachers, how to achieve success. Previously, grandparents received a pension of 132 rubles and took care of their grandchildren, and during perestroika, on 2-3 part-time jobs, they would help children who either did not pay money for years or worked 16 hours a day. And the children were brought up by the street, experienced friends, drug addicts.
    The idea that the Motherland is not where you were born and raised, the Motherland is where you are better fed, dressed and shod, is being introduced into the minds of young people.
    belay Who is being introduced, by aliens? fool
    It seems to me that in a period of global change in the world order, in a period when the stability of the world is violated, it is impossible to avoid revolutions in various forms.
    This opinion fool , who does not want to understand where the legs grow from. It's all about ideology. And if: "We have no ideology!" fool, then the world has it.
    Although (+).
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  • sleeve
    sleeve 13 October 2020 04: 10
    0
    The theme is beautiful and ... old as the world. Probably from the time of the Reformation + 100, when the two societies began to differ specifically. And the later, the more the superficial came out, and the deep overlapped by it, the sharper this difference became. And when technologies in all spheres, including psychology, society and economics, became the steering column, performing tasks easier and faster (for those who own them) became simply scary. Because anecdotally anecdotal statement about "post-history" suddenly acquired a platform of realism. A good question. How to do it? And here's another one. And where? In our community culture, the boiling point is higher. The explosion leads to a reformatting of the state machine. A mono-control system without a Masonic-mafia system of "checks and balances" is not ready to let off steam from the ever-boiling social cauldron. But ... Socialism, with all its perverted form that has developed in our country, also contained some "necessary" principles. Successfully buried afterwards with pseudo-ideology and empty confrontation. And what's in there? And there is the corporate nature of the state and the economy. This is precisely the land for the peasants, the factories for the workers, and even water for the sailors ... The cultural communal culture is still preserved. Add there the economic component and the correct distribution of power vectors and voila ... Forever and great. And you can start now. And even some results to behold. Or maybe they already started. Behind these Kremlin towers you can't make out a nifig ...
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  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 13 October 2020 07: 21
    -1
    Working in the republics, helping local cadres in setting up production facilities, developing the social sphere, in construction and so on was the norm.

    The norm is to develop and build YOUR Homeland-RUSSIA, and not foreign states-republics by shameless robbery and humiliation of the inhabitants of Russia.

    Subsidies, for example, to the MSSR from Russia, was annually -300 rubles, and by the end of the 000s,
    1 000 000 000 rub!

    And the specialists and skilled workers, doctors, in Russia, what was already superfluous, everything was built, filled and done, that they were sent in millions and knows where?

    All republics with light have long been in 1967, and the rural Smolensk region, Ryazan region, Bryansk region and ALL of the Non-Black Earth Region are in darkness, without light, radio, television, gas, etc.

    What is this?
    1. depressant
      depressant 13 October 2020 08: 08
      +2
      I bought it yesterday, I go up to the house. A plumber neighbor sits on the porch. Quietly, either to me, or to himself, he says: "81 years old, everything hurts, there is no work."
      15 years ago - a gray-haired, imposing man, work - a shaft, snapped up. And now a pitiful, shriveled old man who does not have enough money for medicine, because there is no pension.
      And a picture from the Internet.
      Vladivostok dockers: "Give us back director Yusupov!" Helmets are flying to the top administration. Photo of dock workers, all Yusupovs. Now they will be paid a pension from the Russian Pension Fund. Putin joined the international organization for migration, reached an agreement with the Yusupov countries.

      A revolution involves a change in ideology. The rest is a suppressed riot. The Russian revolt will be suppressed, the Yusupovs will be met halfway. In gratitude for the fact that so far the Yusupovs do not claim the highest political power. While.
      However, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they already have it. In the face of a puppet.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 13 October 2020 07: 52
    +1
    our task today, our global goal, if you like, is that the search for the meaning of life for young people does not result in bloody revolutions, in the destruction of the state, in the murder of ordinary, peaceful citizens. Probably, we need to unite efforts in this search. After all, what a sin to conceal, and we do not quite understand what we need. Slogans are good, but not productive.

    meaning of life?
    Global goal?
    What are you talking about? Ideology is prohibited by the Constitution.
    Although, I remember one slogan - "enrich yourself!"
    It was with him that perestroika won and I don’t remember that it was canceled.
  • shubin
    shubin 13 October 2020 08: 01
    +1
    At the expense of Germany, they have a German "second class" in the federal chancellors, if that! laughing
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 13 October 2020 08: 52
    +1
    Is it possible to make sure that there are no riots and revolutions?

    A beautiful, loud name, and the essence is zilch, emotions based on private experience in the life of the author.
    Is this the answer to the question:
    "... our task ... our global goal ... is that the search for the meaning of life of young people does not result in bloody revolutions, in the destruction of the state, in the murder of ordinary, peaceful citizens ... we need to join forces in this search"
    Hurray, let's all unite now, with everyone, everywhere, near, behind, after, maybe then there will be universal paradise and prosperity.
    But, all the same, the main question is: how to avoid riots and revolutions?
    For all its seeming simplicity, the answer to the question is not so simple, and one should start from afar, with an idea.
    Even Hegel said: ideas rule the world. The USSR was a state based on the idea of ​​universal equality and justice. It was this idea that made it possible to unite different peoples into one state, create a powerful economy, win a war, fly into space, etc.
    The destruction of the USSR began not with the destruction of the economy, but with the destruction of the idea underlying the state. In a simple way, the people have stopped believing in a "bright future." The destruction of the idea ended in complete economic and political collapse in the late 80s - early 90s of the last century. You can often hear: why did the people not come out to defend the country in the 90s. The answer is simple: there was nothing to defend, the idea disappeared, and with it the state and the need to protect it.
    Hence, at the foundation of a prosperous, developing state, there should be an idea that the people, citizens take, on the one hand, as a given, and on the other, as the beginning that determines the life of the state itself and each of its citizens. In this sense, the idea underlying the state should be the idea, the meaning of the life of every person-citizen.
    The highest example of the unity of the idea of ​​the state and the people is the Great Patriotic War - the Second World War, where every individual citizen, fighter, defender of the Motherland perceived the struggle against the enemy as the protection of his people, the Fatherland, which determined the greatest feat of the people sacrificing everything for victory. Such sacrifice, such a feat would not have happened if the people, citizens and the state were not united, or if the people perceived the state as alien to itself. Liberals of all stripes and screamers from the stands and rooftops can hoarse and shout as long and loudly as they like that this is the Stalinist regime, the NVKD forced, drove the people to death, to slaughter, to torture. But this is all nonsense and betrayal of his people. And the truth is that during the Second World War the people, the state, the Fatherland were united. And it was precisely this unity that ultimately made it possible to defeat the enemy and raise the red banner over the Reichstag.
    Having an idea, in turn, requires an ideology capable of conveying the idea itself to every member of society, to every person, citizen. The lack of ideology creates a dead field on which weeds and thistles grow. That, in fact, is now happening in Russia. The absence of state ideology leads to a void that is immediately filled with all sorts of false teachings, enlightenment, shamanism, witchcraft, various non-profit organizations that promote and plant ideas and ideology that are alien to the Russian people, to Russia. This is how the lost generation appears first, and then the foundation - the foundation of future revolutions and uprisings.
    Example. For the advancement of Catholicism in the eastern lands, the violent methods of religious Catholic orders were initially used. Russia faced this in the XIII century. But, thanks to Saint A. Nevsky, I was able to cope with it. Later, along with coercion to convert to Catholicism, the practice of opening Catholic schools, churches, seminaries was used, where Orthodox children studied for free. What this led to is demonstrated by modern Ukraine with Uniates, Westerners, in the western regions.
    A state like Russia cannot exist without an idea and ideology. An idea, an ideology, multiplied by the creative labor of citizens, creates a state that can withstand internal and external enemies, and protect society and the state from riots and revolutions.
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 13 October 2020 10: 01
    +1
    Alexander, thanks for the article. There would be more such materials with reasoning and correct conclusions. !!