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About great Erdogan and Great Turan

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I rarely watch TV. Especially political talk shows and all sorts of analytical programs. Not because I'm not interested in it, just any such program corresponds to the opinion of the host of this program. The appropriate analysts and experts are selected. Even the opponents of the presenter's point of view are the same. Many of these opponents have become household names in the public mind.


Yesterday I spent quite a long time behind the wheel and just had to break my rules. AT news Most of the programs featured the theme of Turkey. More precisely, the theme of President Erdogan's actions in Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh. Letters from readers with a request to continue analyzing the actions of the parties in the NKR and especially the actions of the Turkish president there finally finished me off.

Why Erdogan went against the West and Russia


Today, when the first fuse and the first youthful impulse took place in both countries, when it became clear that Azerbaijan was indeed better prepared for war than Armenia, when it became clear that the Armenians, despite the enemy's superiority in equipment and weapons, would fight to the last man , the question of ways out of this war arose sharply.

Any sane person will tell you about a simple and effective way out. You need to stop and sit down at the negotiating table. But let's listen to the President of Azerbaijan and the Prime Minister of Armenia. Both say the same thing. And both set conditions that are unrealizable for the opposing side. Why? Simply because the peoples of both countries will perceive the world only in this format. We won in format! Any other format means the political death of the country's leader.

The leading countries of the world act in exactly the same way and for the same reasons. Everybody calls for negotiations and everybody ... doesn't really do anything. Except for one country - Turkey, which openly declares its support for Baku. Which caused a flurry of criticism from various sides. Because of this wave of condemnation of Erdogan, the President of Azerbaijan has gone to the background. It turns out that the war is being waged by Pashinyan and Erdogan today.

The ambitions of the Turks are understandable. These are roughly the same dreams of former power as those of the Poles. But let's look at the world soberly. What is Turkey's assistance to Azerbaijan? Turkish UAVs? Turkish special forces, which really should be there? The Kurdish mercenaries reported by our foreign intelligence chief?

Agree, any of these arguments are easily refuted. Turkish military equipment as proof? Then the Russian "Buratino" proves that we are fighting on the side of Baku? Mercenary Kurds? Counter-question: on whose side are they fighting? Etc.

Today there is a lot of talk about the absorption of Azerbaijan as a result of the war in the NKR. Have the contradictions between Shiites and Sunnis already disappeared? Sunni Turks will kiss Shiite Azerbaijanis? And Erdogan's thesis about one people is doubtful. Yes, these are close peoples, but different in their origin and development.

Only one thesis speaks in favor of the possibility of absorbing Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is in many ways not yet an established state. Young, under construction, but not fully completed. Therefore, it may well happen that it will not be able to resist the Turks. And the president of Azerbaijan is not as strong in international intrigues as his father.

It seems to me that Erdogan is credited with the flexibility of mind and the foresight of politics, which he does not have. We are creating something similar to Genghis Khan in the media space. In fact, President Erdogan is running a regional power torn apart by controversy. And foreign policy for him is just a means of maintaining power. The East is a dark matter, but not so much as not to understand that all these statements and threats are made only in order to silence the opposing clan.

Many analysts today talk about the plans of President Erdogan to create the Great Turan (Khazaria), which includes not only Azerbaijan, but also the entire Caucasus, Central Asia, Crimea, Siberia, the Volga region and the lands that once belonged to the Ottoman Empire. It seems to me that it takes our specialists seriously. Sharovary trousers will not be torn from such steps by the Turkish leader?

Turkey is not strong enough militarily and economically to expand its own territories. Even the acquisitions that the Turks made in Syria exist exactly until the moment when one of the greats does not look at them with reproach and lead in that direction with the barrel of a machine gun.

The whole world is against


Today it seems that the whole world has finally responded to the presumptuous Turkish president. World leaders saw the light and began to actively speak out about the non-standard actions of Turkey. But is it really so? Are any unions, coalitions or groups being created or are being created that will actively oppose the Turks?

Alas, there is no place for alliances in the new political situation. Every man for himself. Even if it concerns a country that is a member of any alliance. The same Turkey is a member of NATO. And not an ordinary member like dwarf states, but a country whose army is the backbone of the bloc. It is one of the strongest NATO armies. However, this does not prevent Erdogan from threatening another NATO member, Greece.

Turks today, in their desire to stick their noses into all holes, do not play their own game, but only the role prepared for them by the greats. Conflict with Greece? Who benefits from this? Who benefits from disagreements within the alliance? Conflict in NKR? Who benefits from this war? Who benefits from Russia’s relations with two countries of this region at once aggravated?

A reasonable question arises as to whether it is possible to stop Erdogan and why this is not being done today. The answer is simple. And it was given a long time ago, back in the first crisis of relations with Russia. All the arrogance and arrogance of this politician can be easily knocked down with one serious warning. Not to mention some kind of action. The moment the Turkish leader realizes that a very serious response will await him, all attempts at regional or even world leadership will cease.

Who will be the country to do this? Is it important? The most respected leader by the Turkish side today is Putin. And it seems to me that Putin's words will be enough. If the Turkish president "does not hear", he will face very serious problems at home. In the East, the throne always causes a lot of trouble for the one who sits on it.

Stop the war and put enemies at the same table


The blood and destruction of the NCR will continue. As I wrote above, the Azerbaijani army is much better prepared for war technically and materially. And considering that the Karabakh Armenians perfectly understand what awaits them in case of defeat, and no one is hiding this, there will be a lot of blood.

We are declaring a no-fly zone. With the consent of Yerevan and Baku, we bring in peacekeepers and put everyone at the negotiating table. At the same time, any manifestation of aggression must be suppressed by the peacekeepers in the most brutal manner. Up to the destruction of the aggressors in their positions. The fighters, if any side really have them, should be sent home in a day or two. The rest must be destroyed.

This does not mean that the conflict should be frozen. I think that recognition of the independence of Artsakh by both countries would be an excellent way out. At the same time, Artsakh should become a home for all those who consider this land to be their home. Regardless of nationality. Armenian and Azerbaijani villages have lived side by side for decades. It needs to be returned.

I understand that the task is daunting. Don't do it in one go. The task is not one year or even one decade. But living together in one republic will force both the Armenians and Azerbaijanis of Artsakh to begin communication at the everyday level. This means that the republic will begin to become a state. No other way.

About greatness and greats. Instead of a conclusion


Very few great people are born who are capable of really doing great things, and not talking about great things. And they remember them for centuries. Whether they were the greatest villains or the greatest humanists.

But those who think themselves great or imitate great on earth, many are born. Only instead of great deeds, pseudo-great cartoons are obtained. Caricatures of greatness, cartoons of the state, caricatures of everything that their hand touches. And they understand this. They understand and wait for this nightmare to end. They are waiting to be stopped ...
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  1. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 11 October 2020 02: 22
    +8
    what
    As Professor Preobrazhensky said: "Don't read the Soviet press ..." (Literally).
    It's better not to listen to talk shows while driving, on the road, it is very distracting.
    The ideas of Erdogan's pan-Turkism spread long before him, based not on a common religion, but on a common ethnos - Turkism.
    Regarding Azerbaijan, the country adheres to both the Sunni and Shiite religions in Islam.
    Azerbaijan is primarily a secular state.
    There were times in the 90s when Turkish cultural centers and schools were opened even in small towns of Siberia. There were two in Gorno-Altaysk, young people were sent to study in Turkey at the expense of Turkish funding.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 11 October 2020 03: 10
      35
      What a nonsense. Why do we need this conflict and especially peacekeepers.
      They were not introduced to Donbass, and even more so here. But there are our, dear people, and here - strangers, former neighbors, not very pleasant, on both sides. Who will support them?
      What if provocations, losses?

      About Putin's shout. Erdogi, of course, was afraid of him when he shot down the plane.
      And I didn't get off with tomatoes at all. And I got it right away: a stream, a nuclear power plant, and the cherry on the cake: S-400. And this is not counting the grateful vacationers Natasha.

      That's all I wanted to say.
      1. Far B
        Far B 11 October 2020 04: 51
        +3
        They did not enter Donbass, and even more so here
        But they were actively noted in Syria. If Putin decides that it is profitable for him to introduce it to raise, ahem, the rating, he will order it. And he does not care whether it is beneficial to Russia as a whole or not. The main thing is that Putin, ahem, has a rating.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 02
          +4
          Quote: Dalny V
          If Putin decides

          Quote: Dalny V
          The main thing is that Putin, ahem, has a rating.

          Aha wassat
          Do you still pin your hopes on “great Putin” and his entourage? Then we are going to you!
          Emergency psychiatric help.

          The main thing here is not to be asked to leave the bunker ... belay
          1. Charik
            Charik 12 October 2020 01: 35
            -1
            if only carried forward by feet
        2. figwam
          figwam 11 October 2020 08: 59
          +8
          Turkey is not strong enough militarily and economically to expand its own territories.

          I thought it was already clear to everyone that Erdogan began to build the Ottoman Empire with the help of terrorists.
        3. YOUR
          YOUR 11 October 2020 13: 30
          -1
          I just watched Aliyev's speech on RBC. He thanked the Turks and Erdogan personally for their help not only in the war, but also for the fact that by his actions he did not allow the intervention of third countries, i.e. Russia. Moreover, he asked to more actively spread his influence in the Transcaucasus.
          Our authorities explain that they did not intervene because the hostilities took place between Karabakh and Azerbaijan. According to the CSTO agreement, which includes Armenia, Russia was obliged to intervene in the conflict without fail, but then Edik Turkish arose and everything was released on the brakes. So, there is a topic for thought.
          1. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 11 October 2020 14: 39
            +6
            Azerbaijanis are fighting not with Armenia, but with Karabakh, which is not part of Arenia (officially). So there is no reason for interference, Putin is right here. But Armenia is trying in every way to involve Russia there, and now everything depends on Alev's prudence. The point is that they shoot at Azerbaijan (Ganja, Mingechevir) from Armenia, from the very border of Karabakh and Armenia. And, apparently, Armenia is forcing Azerbaijan to attack their firing points in Armenia. But while Azerbaijan holds on, it does not respond with strikes on this territory. But what will happen if the blockade of cities on the territory of Azerbaijan proper continues - the question.
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 11 October 2020 18: 04
              +2
              An interesting position, when the Russians were driven out of Central Asia, Russia did not intervene then
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 11 October 2020 07: 04
        +5
        Quote: Megatron
        What kind of nonsense

        I fully support you.

        ... And it seems to me that Putin's words will be enough. If the Turkish president "does not hear", he will face very serious problems

        Can't get off with tomatoes? Have you heard. Last time it didn't work.

        ... We are declaring a no-fly zone. With consent Yerevan and Baku bring in peacekeepers and seat everyone at the negotiating table

        Why would Azerbaijan suddenly agree to this? Not for that they attacked.

        In general, one gets the impression that the author wants to fight for someone else's disputed territory. Maybe Syria is enough for us? How much money is there? So many that even classified? Why do we need this crap?
      3. Hermit21
        Hermit21 11 October 2020 08: 06
        +2
        Then, militants from the Middle East are being transferred there, and Russia has every right to raise Tu-22M3 from Mozdok "in the framework of the fight against international terrorism". We do not need an Islamist viper near our borders.

        And I didn't get off with tomatoes at all


        I didn't get off. There was no direct answer, but even the measures taken were enough for Erdogan to come to apologize to the Emperor in St. Petersburg (not to Moscow, which is symbolic). And, well, the fact that Peshkov's body was immediately given away with all military honors seems to be a hint. But now Erdogan has lost the credit of trust from the VPR of Russia and is starting to bore him with his antics. Especially after the Idlib adventure
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 11 October 2020 13: 09
          +3
          Oh is it? As far as I remember, he did not pay compensation to his relatives, he also did not pay for the plane. And there was no special apology. But there was also a dead paratrooper from the evacuation group, everyone forgot something about him!
          1. Hermit21
            Hermit21 12 October 2020 07: 31
            0
            He paid off with the corpses of his askers, some of whom were killed on the same day in the same area.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 11 October 2020 14: 42
          -1
          Honestly, I don't understand when they say that Syrian militants are fighting on the side of Turkey in Azerbaijan. It seems like Turkey is at war with them in Syria, and suddenly they, having forgotten everything, go to the aid of Erdogan. How strange it all looks. Well, no one saw Syrian militants in the Az. Army. There are talks that we have them, but no one has clearly proved the presence of these militants.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 11 October 2020 18: 07
            0
            ... Honestly, I don't understand when they say that Syrian militants are fighting on the side of Turkey in Azerbaijan. It seems like Turkey is at war with them in Syria, and suddenly they, having forgotten everything, go to the aid of Erdogan. How strange it all looks. Well, no one saw Syrian militants in the Az. Army. Conversations that they are there are coming, but the presence of these militants has not been clearly proven.




            Look at the link
            https://t.me/infoteka24/8637
      4. Garegin
        Garegin 11 October 2020 08: 49
        +3
        well wait then in 50 years pan-Turkism south of Moskva. this is in all seriousness.
      5. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 11 October 2020 09: 34
        0
        Quote: Megatron
        What a nonsense. Why do we need this conflict and especially peacekeepers.

        I agree. Especially when the author proposes to suppress something there, up to destruction. I am afraid the peacekeepers will quickly transfer, or send a whole army there.
      6. flicker
        flicker 11 October 2020 21: 09
        0
        Donbass was not introduced
        The consent of the two conflicting parties is required.
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 11 October 2020 03: 18
      +1
      Quote: Lynx2000
      As Professor Preobrazhensky said: "Don't read the Soviet press ..." (Literally).

      Here I absolutely agree with you))
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 11 October 2020 06: 29
      +3
      Except for some of the Turks Erdogan is not considered great. Let him say thanks to Putin, who saved him from the death of his closest accomplices.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 05
        +6
        Quote: siberalt
        Let him say thanks to Putin, who saved him from the death of his closest accomplices.

        And to us (Russia) what did this step bring an act of "unheard of generosity"? What is the use of Russia in saving Erdogan? Hemorrhoids on the southern borders?
      2. depressant
        depressant 11 October 2020 08: 30
        +1
        He saved him from death ... But now it turns out, one sniper is enough, and all the problems are solved?
        I just read messages about the conflict. Both are disgusting. She lived among them. National egoism goes off scale, cunning replaces the mind. Both sides are disgusting, Erdogan is an emetic. All strangers. The military is interested in examining the details of the clashes. And I, grinning wryly, think: let them be there for each other ... And then I remember about us, and horror comes. It's like throwing a well-groomed pet out into the street, and it, helpless, not adapted to life in a competitive garbage can, in fear and despair, tries to survive in a new environment. And the owner explains: it is scabby, the medications have not helped, the family can become infected, so I am carrying food. Everything is rotten.
      3. flicker
        flicker 11 October 2020 21: 25
        0
        Except for some of the Turks Erdogan is not considered great.
        Erdogan is generally an American PROJECT.
        A hot nationalist, charismatic, determined and intellectually narrow-minded. In reality, Turkey is led by Hakan Fidan (connected with the CIA), looking after Erdogan, directing him in the right direction.
        The moment of Erdogan will come.
        ---
        Turkey was turned away from joining the EU in the direction of neo-Ottomanism, and now it seems, in the direction of pan-Turkism - in the first case, to start fighting in Syria and contribute to the overthrow of Assad, in the second (now) to destabilize the outskirts of Russia, and inside Russia through the revival of the ideas of pan-Turkism ...
        In order for the Turks to start fighting, a headless and decisive leader was needed, the choice fell on Erdogan, a former football player and ignoramus.
        As soon as he stops "jumping and chopping" in the right direction he will be removed (beaten or overthrown). And while jumping in the right direction will not be touched.
    4. Civil
      Civil 11 October 2020 12: 12
      0
      We are declaring a no-fly zone. With the consent of Yerevan and Baku, we bring in peacekeepers and put everyone at the negotiating table. At the same time, any manifestation of aggression must be suppressed by the peacekeepers in the most brutal manner. Up to the destruction of the aggressors in their positions.

      1. There is no will for this.
      2. Judging by the official statements, it is more important to remove Pashinyan than to keep Karabakh.
      3. Do you have the strength and money for this? The country is restless.
    5. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 11 October 2020 13: 32
      0
      Quote: Lynx2000
      what
      As Professor Preobrazhensky said: "Don't read the Soviet press ..." (Literally).
      It's better not to listen to talk shows while driving, on the road, it is very distracting.
      The ideas of Erdogan's pan-Turkism spread long before him, based not on a common religion, but on a common ethnos - Turkism.
      Regarding Azerbaijan, the country adheres to both the Sunni and Shiite religions in Islam.
      Azerbaijan is primarily a secular state.
      There were times in the 90s when Turkish cultural centers and schools were opened even in small towns of Siberia. There were two in Gorno-Altaysk, young people were sent to study in Turkey at the expense of Turkish funding.

      If we talk about religion, then we can say about the Alevis of Turkey, according to various estimates, from 15% of the population to 15 million who adhere to this trend, and so they are ardent Kemalists. Despite the fact that they were persecuted and persecuted, political differences and Turkism are different things for them.
    6. boni592807
      boni592807 14 October 2020 20: 19
      0
      Lynx2000,11 October 2020 02:22, "... The ideas of Erdogan's pan-Turkism spread long before him, they are based not on a common religion, but on a common ethnos - Turkism ... There were times in the 90s when even in small Turkish cultural centers and schools were opened in Siberian cities. In Gorno-Altaysk there were two, young people were sent to study in Turkey at the expense of Turkish funding ... "

      You are right, the ideas of Panturkism were spread and used incl. against the USSR back in the 30s of the last century. For example, the "Gray Wolves" were born in the late 1960s. The ideology of the organization was based on Pan-Turkism - the dream of a great secular Turkey, an empire that would unite all "Turanian" peoples on the basis of blood, not the Muslim faith. This idea automatically made the "wolves" opponents of those countries where Turkic-speaking minorities lived - Iran, the PRC and the USSR. Soon, CIA operatives showed interest in the "wolves". Turkey, the southern outpost of the alliance ... Further, it is also interesting ... bully

      Let's go back to Russia, Erdogan decides the issues of HIS COUNTRY. Good or bad, it's to whom, how. For Turkey This is probably GOOD. recourse
      Just like the once rich and low-tech China of the 60s and 80s of the last century. But, they (Turkey, China) have gone their own way and have what they HAVE fellow ... This is THEIR right and merit. belay

      Why did Russia "rush" along aggressive tracks to the places of the "best" locations (from galoshes to unparalleled ones, through "... what do you want ..." of Minister Inostrdel Kozyrev)? Probably, we must not forget that the present RF, not the USSR in 1985. We must realistically assess the situation in the World, along the perimeter of our borders. Especially within the RF. Not only to feel "deep concern", but to calculate - not only the tactics of action, but also the strategy. If we ourselves cannot, like China, so it is necessary, at least to study and draw conclusions ... So that, again to reach the lost opportunities ... to influence the surrounding reality not only at our doors, but in the World ... really ... hi
  2. pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 11 October 2020 02: 26
    +1
    Pashinyan bet that he did not take Gazprom's money to sabotage the pipeline going to Turkey. Gazprom also vowed that the empty Turkish-blue stream is not a reason for interstate friction in the Transcaucasus. Well, the Turks are slowly developing their now hydrocarbon vein, stirring up the hysteria of their neighbors before the military conflict, set their sights on searching for new raw materials in the Mediterranean, despite the fact that all the neighbors are running headlong to satisfy any desire of the owner of the Asia Minor hydrocarbon hub.
  3. Revolver
    Revolver 11 October 2020 03: 12
    10
    I must say right away that I do not support either side in Karabakh. As they say in America, "I have no dog in this fight (for non-possessors - I don't have a dog in this fight)".
    Unfortunately, this is one of those situations in which there is no diplomatic solution and there is no mutually beneficial solution. There is a solution that suits only one of the parties, and therefore does not suit the other side in any way, and there are solutions that do not suit either of the parties. Of course, it is possible to impose solutions that do not suit either side by force from outside (not necessarily military), but this will be a temporary solution, and the parties will return to the conflict as soon as possible.
    The only option is to let them fight until the unconditional surrender of one of the parties, and the resulting result to be consolidated as the final system of international treaties, with the UN as the guarantor of finality. Unfortunately, there will be a lot of blood. But without the final result, there will be even more blood, it will simply be smeared over time.
    The same applies to Ireland (the conflict between Catholics and Protestants), and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the Donbass, and almost all ethnic and territorial conflicts.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 13
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      The only option is to let them fight until the unconditional surrender of one of the parties, and the resulting result to be consolidated as the final system of international treaties, with the UN as the guarantor of finality.

      Oh, there it is, Mikhalych!
      Then Russia, too, will be allowed to solve its problems by "unconditional surrender" or will we again express regret and drool over and without?
      Yes, you yourself indicated:
      Quote: Nagan
      "I have no dog in this fight (for those who do not own - I have no dog in this fight)".

      Why do we need to commit ourselves to resolving a conflict that has:
      Quote: Nagan
      there is no diplomatic solution and there is no mutually beneficial solution.

      ??
      Isn't it time to find urgent problems within your own country? Shouldn't we turn to solving internal problems?
    2. Garegin
      Garegin 11 October 2020 08: 51
      -1
      why are you so cruel. these are future families, children
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 October 2020 11: 22
        0
        Colleague ROSS 42, don't you understand? Our most important internal task is to show the whole world how great and bright our incorruptible Putin is, may God forgive me!
        1. matross
          matross 11 October 2020 12: 43
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          the most important internal task is to show the whole world

          So internal or to the whole world? what Paradoxical female logic ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 12 October 2020 05: 24
        0
        Quote: Garegin
        why are you so cruel. these are future families, children

        It is not me that is cruel, but you are there in the Caucasus, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. You are the one who is killing, including families and children. It is you who drive out whole villages of those whose ancestors lived on this earth for many generations. And I sit at a computer on the other side of the globe, I don't shoot at anyone, and I just had the audacity to point out to you and others the truth, albeit unpleasant, but nevertheless. As they say here in America, to tell the obvious to the oblivious.
  4. Radikal
    Radikal 11 October 2020 03: 25
    +6
    I rarely watch TV. Especially political talk shows and all sorts of analytical programs. Not because I'm not interested in it, just any such program corresponds to the opinion of the host of this program. The appropriate analysts and experts are selected. Even the opponents of the presenter's point of view are the same. Many of these opponents have become household names in the public mind.

    I agree completely, with a slight adjustment - the requirements for content, focus, emphasis in these programs must comply with the policy of the (owner) of the channel (or is the author of the article not in the know?lol ), and coincide with the views of the host of a particular program, show, and the like. Otherwise, it turns out as with some well-known TV presenters - one fifteen years ago, in his program on the TVC channel, he tried to play in independence, showing miracles of heroism on the front of criticism of the regime, announced another issue, where he promised to tell something .... So what? Nothing, after this announcement of the topic of his next program, she simply did not go on the air, and then ordered to live long. It was in the summer, before the next elections to the State Duma, including the kingdom. And in the fall, after the elections, this TV presenter was in the deputies of the main holder of votes in the State Duma, does not "crawl out" from the Council of Europe, from the TV box, he became the host of a political program, albeit with a different name, and you yourself understand what other accents, he is the chairman of the committee of the said State Duma , and "protch, protch, protch ...." Normal metamorphosis? Apparently he was made an offer, which he did not refuse, at the same time drawing an alternative perspective in which he would no longer be a teacher of a respected university, host of programs, and would not be anyone at all ... And now his fate, though somewhat more modestly, is repeated by the TV presenter of the same TVC, who rebelled, rebelled ... rebelled ... In short, now on the NTV channel he convinces all of us that there is no alternative to Sobchak's assistant, well, and other similar passages ... Therefore, relax, the author is those who understand what is happening, they do not need to be agitated, and those who did not understand it may be worth turning to the history of the Russian Federation over the past 30 years, and the biographies of those who during this period ascended to leading positions in all state and about - structures, and finally give yourself a report, but who controls us here, and for whom, or in whose interests, waves the oars, "in the galleys" ?!
    Maybe it looks something like this? -
    https://youtu.be/Zp-wvgZwy4w
  5. Far B
    Far B 11 October 2020 03: 41
    15
    A reasonable question arises as to whether it is possible to stop Erdogan and why this is not being done today. The answer is simple. And given a long time ago, back in the first crisis in relations with Russia
    And what is this answer, I hesitate to ask? Really a blow to tomatoes (in the sense of a ban on exports)?
    The most respected leader by the Turkish side today is Putin. And it seems to me that Putin's words will be enough
    Thank you, neighing.
    But those who think themselves great or imitate great on earth, many are born. Only instead of great deeds, pseudo-great cartoons are obtained. Caricatures of greatness, cartoons of the state, caricatures of everything that their hand touches. And they understand this. They understand and wait for this nightmare to end. They are waiting to be stopped ...
    Oh, and who is this author about? Really about Putin ??? belay
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 October 2020 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: Dalny V
      The most respected leader by the Turkish side today is Putin. And it seems to me that Putin's words will be enough
      Thank you, neighing.

      Earlier Kamenev shone on this topic. But he disappeared somewhere long ago. Looks like there should be only one left on VO wassat
  6. 210ox
    210ox 11 October 2020 06: 18
    10
    Putin ?? !! Able to stop Erdogan? I strongly doubt it.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 17
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Putin ?? !! Able to stop Erdogan? I strongly doubt it.

      Yes, the day is not far off when Putin will go on vacation to some Foros ... communications command?
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 October 2020 06: 50
    +5
    Many analysts today talk about the plans of President Erdogan to create the Great Turan (Khazaria), which includes not only Azerbaijan, but also the entire Caucasus, Central Asia, Crimea, Siberia, the Volga region and the lands that once belonged to the Ottoman Empire.


    Dear author! Why include the Volga region and Siberia in this list? This is overkill! Yes, and "Khazaria" is mentioned "for pepper" article? But the Turks may well dream of including three BAs in their influence (protectorate): BAKU, BATUMI and Bakhchisarai.
    If history / politics are not measured in presidential terms, then the plans are very realistic ... when the two powers start having problems ...
    In terms of the number of mobilization reserves, military technologies, combat experience, and determination to "go to the end," the Turks in this part of Asia are unmatched. If Erdogan solves the "economic equations", then the "Turkish people" may appear on the list indicated by the author.
    1. Svateev
      Svateev 11 October 2020 14: 43
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      Why include the Volga region and Siberia in this list? This is overkill!

      The author is not satisfied. In the year 95-96, I bought a book of a scientist from the local Academy of Sciences (Tatar) in the shopping center of Kazan, in which I campaigned for the unification of the Turkic peoples of Turkey, the Caucasus, the Volga region, Siberia, up to some northern nationality (EMNIP Yakuts). And these territories were called in the book like this: Kazan Khanate, Astrakhan Khanate, Siberian Khanate, etc.
      You underestimate the appetites of the "small nations". Once a very small people of the Ottomans conquered the entire Central Asia and reached Vienna. By the way, it is very convenient to be a small, arrogant people: you take over a large, relaxed people and then force its men to die in your wars of conquest.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 11 October 2020 16: 02
        0
        [quote = Svateev] You underestimate the appetites of the "small peoples". [/ quot Appreciate, dear! good For more, the charter of the VO does not give a word. bully
        1. Svateev
          Svateev 16 November 2020 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: samarin1969
          For more, the charter of the VO does not give a word.

          That's for sure. I already have 4 warnings. Only Samsonov can say what he thinks here. And to all who are against his "epochal" thoughts, he sculpts warnings.
  8. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 11 October 2020 06: 59
    -6
    Turkey is allowed to play this game in Transcaucasia for the time being, the idea of ​​the Great Turan is currently completely untenable, Erdogan owes his salvation to the GDP from the rebels of Gehlen and he remembers this, all the permissible risks have most likely already been discussed between the GDP and the Sultan, Aliyev is also not is simple and uses the Turks in its own interests, returning the NPO and the regions occupied by Armenia will strengthen its political authority, then ask the guests to leave, the only one who loses in this party is Pashinyan, Armenia will not receive any dividends, except for the aggravation of the internal political situation in the country against the background of loss in war
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 25
      +4
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Turkey is allowed to play this game in Transcaucasia for the time being

      lol
      And when Turkey asked permission to play this game and from whom? When did you shoot down a Russian plane or kill the Russian ambassador? Maybe when you built South Stream or when you just decided that you can and should support one of the parties to the conflict?
      Yes, she and Erdogan in her person put the hell on the entire world and the European community in particular. Syria shows it every day. And Russia is striving to kill the butt with a whip. Thinks (or someone in her thinks) that he has grabbed and is holding the "Turkish Pasha" for tomatoes for the udder. Than? Tell me, don't take the secret to the grave ... crying
      1. CommanderDIVA
        CommanderDIVA 11 October 2020 13: 53
        -2
        You should express yourself more carefully with the grave, otherwise it will not be an hour you yourself will thunder there, fate is she a villain, you know
    2. bar
      bar 11 October 2020 08: 34
      +2
      Erdogan owes VVP his salvation from Gehlen's rebels and he remembers it

      This memory does not prevent Erdogan from shooting down our planes and spoiling us in all directions. And Aliyev is certainly not easy, but in order to "use" the Turks, his use has not yet grown. Here Erdogan uses it as he wants. And he wants to ensure a permanent Turkish presence in the Caucasus.
      1. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 11 October 2020 14: 51
        0
        Whatever one may say, if Azerbaijan regains Karabakh, the Turks will be oh so needed there. Do you think Armenia will not conquer it again? It will, it will probably be. So, peace cannot be expected in Karabakh. He will continue to pass from hand to hand. Only peacekeepers on the border of Karabakh and Armenia will be able to prevent this. But, if Turkey helps Azerbaijan to conquer Karabakh, then what do you think peacekeepers from which country will be there? Moreover, on an ongoing basis?
    3. depressant
      depressant 11 October 2020 08: 50
      +6
      Do you seriously think that Erdogan is capable of feeling grateful to Putin for his salvation? Seriously? Yes, he perceived this gesture as a special, urgent need for Putin himself, Erdogan, raised his self-esteem to inadequate, untied his hands.
    4. iouris
      iouris 11 October 2020 15: 21
      -1
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Erdogan owes VVP his salvation from Gehlen rebels

      Fu, you eprst. I almost fell off my chair.
      "Gulena", not Gelena. If Google is still working, I recommend highlighting and googling both names.
  9. Observer2014
    Observer2014 11 October 2020 07: 01
    +6
    I liked the last paragraph. Do you know that all this reminds me of something? Just now? Well, of course I remembered. This is the feeling that I myself experienced in 2014 at the beginning of summer especially. Only I expressed myself more categorically. And spoke directly. And now I sit and look at philosophical thoughts that all as one carry calls to Putin. Yesterday, for example, I listened online to Solovyov's speeches on the YouTube channel. Starting from Simonyan (the philosopher turns out to be) and so on. And from many media outlets. Only somehow sluggishly comes out. Not convincing. There is no flame in his voice. Everything around and about. But it is understandable It is possible for foreigners to ignite the flame of struggle to save their historical homeland only through the representatives of the indigenous population.
    And for the indigenous population of Russia, these foreigners have done and said a little more than a lot to say in these quarter of a century. Here you take everything together, go there yourself. Home. Love your Motherland as you want. But we don't need la-la here in Russia.
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 11 October 2020 08: 07
      +3
      Home. Love your Motherland as you wish. But here in Russia we don't need la-la.

      good on the first space. So that hair in the wind
  10. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 11 October 2020 07: 03
    +1
    In the modern world, the image of a politician is created not by affairs, but by the media ... Erdogan will leave and the world will forget about him, a maximum of one or two generations will remember him. This is the essence of human existence - each generation has its "hero". Erdogans, Putin, Trump, Merkeli will remain only on the pages of history textbooks ... The world remembers the "great" conquerors of Macedon, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, etc., but does not remember the world of ambitious rulers because there have been many of them and will be at all times and In all countries.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 28
      +1
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      In the modern world, the image of a politician is created not by business, but by the media ...

      In today's world, the political image and everything else make money and a strong military. The rest is garbage and barking of small breeds of indoor terriers.
      Any media can be shut up, just like you shut up its owner or editor.
      EVERYTHING!
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 11 October 2020 08: 40
        0
        Those who have money are always in the shadows and influence the world at the expense of their political nominees, but the image of a politician - they do not make money, but the media that create public opinion - they must (by order of the tycoons) make an angel out of the devil, must - do the opposite ...
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 October 2020 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      The world remembers the "great" conquerors of Macedon, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, etc., but does not remember the world of ambitious rulers, for there have been many of them and will be at all times and in all countries.
      and Lenin ?!
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 11 October 2020 10: 12
        0
        At your discretion)))
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 October 2020 07: 06
    0
    All Erdogan's impulses to create a powerful state and expand the sphere of influence are directed at his own cream of society. Inside Turkey, since the last century, there is no previous rejection of strangers. Even in the outback, people are eager to receive tourists. This is a small but necessary income for a family. It would seem the east. Turkey could meet Erdogan's interests, but not everything is so smooth here either. Ataturk's seeds have already sprung up.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 October 2020 08: 34
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      All Erdogan's impulses to create a powerful state and expand his sphere of influence are directed to their cream of the crop.

      Such a rare trait of a hardworking "Turkish milker" in organizing the production of cream from milk of large and not very goat herd breeds.
      The world began to forget something, where did the "steadfastness" and "independence" of Turan and all other historical regions of this BV region come from.
    2. depressant
      depressant 11 October 2020 08: 56
      0
      Why not? Pan-Turkism as a counterweight to the creeping penetration of China.
  12. And why do you need
    And why do you need 11 October 2020 07: 08
    -1
    It is more profitable for Russia to incite the conflict between Greece and Turkey. Karabakh is not the region where the CSTO is tied, except perhaps to show Artsakh the strength of Russian weapons, but strength is primarily in skill, and it seems to be completely at zero
    1. Guards turn
      Guards turn 11 October 2020 08: 08
      -1
      Will you show a video where Erdogan seized the villages and cities of Nagorno-Karabakh?
      1. And why do you need
        And why do you need 11 October 2020 09: 42
        0
        This is not about direct military intervention.
  13. Avior
    Avior 11 October 2020 07: 28
    +9
    ... We are declaring a no-fly zone. With the consent of Yerevan and Baku, we bring in peacekeepers and put everyone at the negotiating table.

    The author has unrealistic plans. Volunarism, as the famous character of the famous Nikulin said.
    Why would Baku agree to this? Russia will shoot down Azerbaijani planes over Azerbaijani territory? So this is a war in the open.
    On the recognition of the independence of Karabakh by Baku - does the author understand the seriousness of the issue? Baku will never agree to this, and the world will support it. Yes, even Armenia did not agree to this when it had military superiority.
    1. depressant
      depressant 11 October 2020 09: 05
      +1
      Yes, at least we will announce something. This is polity - bows, duty speeches. So it is customary in civilization.
      And the shelling was and will be. We talked and, if they didn’t shake hands, then parted, nodding their heads in agreement and pretending to believe each other. We parted and went on to shoot. Read today's news.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 11 October 2020 07: 32
    +2
    It surrenders, after the broken truce by the parties, "there will be no one." War is a continuation of internal politics. Erdogan, getting into various conflicts, is trying to solve internal problems, such as enemies all around, hindering the idea of ​​reviving the Ottoman Empire, we must all unite ... while he succeeds ..
  15. VLR
    VLR 11 October 2020 07: 36
    10
    If Putin failed to stop the conflict in Donbass,
    which is much closer and more painful, if even there he was afraid to act decisively - to introduce a no-fly zone, to deploy Russian peacekeepers, to destroy the positions of the nazbats violating the truce - why should he succeed in all this in Karabakh? And why, in general, climb there? Where tomorrow? Introduce peacekeepers to Kyrgyzstan?
    As for Putin's victory over Erdogan: it exists only in the heads of some Russian "patriots". The facts, alas, suggest otherwise. And in Turkey itself, the resumption of frozen ties is considered a victory. And the spoken word "I'm sorry" is not considered an apology. And, in fact, if you think about it: Erdogan is sorry, but where is the word "sorry"? Where is the willingness to pay for the damage, to pay compensation to the families of the victims? And in general, it is not clear to whom this "sorry" was directed: it was uttered between the times, it was not formalized in any way - it was not a diplomatic note or an official statement.
  16. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 11 October 2020 08: 22
    +3
    Well, yes, an article for all good against all bad, just a question, maybe Russia and the Kremlin, for a start, introduce a no-fly zone and their peacekeepers in the Donbass, and there, by the way, not Armenians and Azerbaijanis, but Russian people are killed
  17. 1536
    1536 11 October 2020 08: 26
    +1
    Many today write about Homo Sapiens, Nomo Deus, about artificial intelligence by 2050, about the end of history and "new heroes", someone is making plans for the destruction of humanity in parallel with giving it immortality, etc. Some individuals, in order not to go about their business, even try to introduce "new ideas" into their subordinate ecumene, without thinking about the consequences.
    And no one said, analyzed, or thought how much the collapse and destruction of the USSR threw people, all of humanity back.
    Looking at modern Turkey, we can say that now the world has reached the level of the last quarter of the XNUMXth century. The question is: what can Turkey offer other nations? Or is it just a reluctance to enter the sphere of foreign interests and economic ties, as they believe in Turkey, which will throw the Turkish people back two centuries?
  18. bar
    bar 11 October 2020 08: 28
    +5
    I rarely watch TV. Especially political talk shows and all sorts of analytical programs.

    I don't watch the show at all. And it’s not harmful to listen to analytical programs on TV and radio. You will have a better understanding of international politics and will not write something like this:
    We are declaring a no-fly zone. With the consent of Yerevan and Baku, we bring in peacekeepers and put everyone at the negotiating table. At the same time, any manifestation of aggression must be suppressed by the peacekeepers in the most brutal manner. Up to the destruction of the aggressors in their positions. The fighters, if any side really have them, should be sent home in a day or two. The rest must be destroyed.

    Why does Russia need another endless war? Why would Russia expose its military to attack? To try on, in principle, irreconcilable peoples? It's useless. Moreover, while they are at war with each other, Armenia and Azerbaijan will need Russia. If they make up, both countries will quickly enter NATO, where they have lathered themselves long ago. Why do we need it? Or to show Erdogan who is in charge here? It is also useless, Erdogan will not change until he lies in the grave. And he will rave about "pan-Turkism" even while dying.
  19. Tank hard
    Tank hard 11 October 2020 09: 28
    -2
    IMHO
    Any war is primarily about the economy. In my opinion, Turkey's economy is not ready for war, not even a very large one. A real attempt to create something like Turan is a war and not a small one. War and victories in this direction are waged only in words. But what will be worth a thousand words when the strength of the hand is important? Remember the lyrics to the song? Regarding the "tomato sanctions". You can treat it whatever you like, but they did bring the "sultan" to his senses. Anyone interested can leaf through the chronicle of that period. And yes, no matter how you feel about Putin, he doesn't seem to go to Turkey on vacation. What about you, gentlemen patriots, how are you with your vacation in Turkey ?? wink And for those who begin to stir up debates about the economy of the Russian Federation, comparing with the Turkish and others .. There is one trump card that has nothing to cover, this is Russian nuclear weapons, which nullifies everything, including modern drones. And this very nuclear weapon is present in such an amount that if the Russian Federation applies it against Turkey (for example), then no NATO-US will risk contamination of its territories with radiation, for some sort of "sultanatic." repeat
  20. Diviz
    Diviz 11 October 2020 13: 48
    0
    The fact that the countries do not produce anything and the efficiency in the world from them is zero. And the greed of oil and self-interest inhibits the general development of mankind. This is what Alice replied. And Apple generally said that the database does not contain information about the existence of such states.
  21. Undecim
    Undecim 11 October 2020 14: 03
    +6
    Letters from readers with a request to continue the analysis of the actions of the parties in the NKR and especially the actions of the Turkish president there finally finished me off.
    Readers, please!
    Do not write to the author of the letter with such requests, he is far from understanding the questions about which he writes, moreover, very much. The author's entire article is like a baguette for a frame in which a phrase executed in gold is placed:
    "The most respected leader by the Turkish side today is Putin. And I think Putin's words will be enough."
    Having sculpted this pan-germanic conclusion, the author wiped away his labor sweat and quickly rounded off the narrative with the phrase: "Very few great people are born who are capable of really doing great things, and not talking about great things. And they remember them for centuries. "
    I think there can be no two opinions about who is meant.
    1. Svateev
      Svateev 11 October 2020 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      "Very few great people are born who are capable of really doing great things, and not talking about great things. And they remember them for centuries."
      I think there can be no two opinions about who is meant.

      Maybe the author is about himself ... lol
  22. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 11 October 2020 14: 31
    +2
    The author is disingenuous. If we recognize the independence of Karabakh, recognize it as a full-fledged state, then it will quickly become a part of Armenia, because without its support it will not be able to exist anyway. And Armenia will not refuse to include it in its composition, especially since, having recognized the independence of Karabakh, it will actually be presented to Armenia, and no one knows what Azerbaijan will do then. How Turkey will react to this is the same question. On the other hand, why should Azerbaijan give its territory to those who expelled its citizens from there? As the well-known Zhorzhik said, what are you, a son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands ?! So no volosts will be enough! Peaceful coexistence is possible in some ... twenty years. But the old conflicts will all eagerly creep out, but with what method, I think, it is not difficult to guess.
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  24. iouris
    iouris 11 October 2020 15: 15
    0
    Hitler started out "well" too. Question: does the "Great Turan" have the necessary and sufficient resources? If they are not there, then the project itself is designed and launched by external players for a proxy war. There are two players: USA (s) or Great Britain. Therefore, when Soros sticks out from behind Pashinyan, and Erdogan looms from behind Aliyev, then this is the "Big Game". Something like this.
  25. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 12 October 2020 11: 39
    0
    In the article were expressed interesting ideas that have the right to life. About the fact that the measure of Turkey's activity is determined by other forces (when creating the appearance of svrboda), about the unreality of the Great Turan "from now and until now" (for in the Turkic world, unity is observed only at the table with beshbarmak), about Turkey's planned separation from Europe (obviously , in order to sell her his "roof"). It gets worse. Put aside unrealistic plans and forecasts, this is generally not a rewarding business. Turkey has strong enemies. And her every gesture causes their intervention, no matter where and for / against whom. This is what the propaganda is designed for, representing the war solely as Erdogan's project. And she's not unsuccessful.