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The bets on the S-300PMU-2 and the Iron Dome will turn into a complete fiasco for Baku. The unused trump card of the Armenian missile forces and artillery

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Having carried out a cursory monitoring of numerous Armenian news portals, military analytical "Telegram" -channels "Military Observer", "Armenian Military Portal" and "Operational Line", as well as a review of short video reports of the military leader and author of the "WarGonzo" project Semyon Pegov, who scrupulously documents the consequences of all missile and artillery strikes on Stepanakert from the batteries of cannon and rocket artillery of the Azerbaijan Army, it is quite easy to predict the tendency for the impending complication of the operational-tactical situation in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of military operations engulfed in a new escalation round.


After all, despite the attempts made by Moscow to call on Mr. Aliyev and his entourage to common sense and initiate the process of diplomatic settlement of the next stage of the age-old Karabakh conflict, as well as on the eve of the readiness expressed by the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan for a constructive dialogue with Baku, the Defense Department and - still remain unshakable in their desire to continue offensive operations in the western and south-western operational directions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. At the same time, not only preliminarily carrying out artillery preparation with strikes on the fortified areas of the NKR Defense Army, but also deliberately striking targeted strikes on residential areas of Stepanakert and such unique historical objects such as the Cathedral of Holy Christ the All-Savior (Surb Amenaprkich Kazanchetsots). Obviously, the guarantees provided by Erdogan for the comprehensive involvement of the regular Turkish army in the conflict (naturally, at the request of official Baku), as well as the permanently provided military-technical support from Ankara and Tel Aviv, only strengthened the command of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces in the opinion that the above criminal actions will not entail absolutely any consequences.

"Castles in the air" of the Azerbaijan Air Defense Forces command are subject to destruction. Opportunities of the "strategic asset" of Armenia's MFA


In light of the above circumstances, the issue of paramount importance for the missile forces and artillery of Armenia automatically becomes the possibility of delivering effective "decapitating" missile strikes against logistical support points, air bases, fuel and lubricants and ammunition depots and reserve units of Azerbaijan's army deployed in offensive orders, which are located in the operational depth of defense of the order of 120-200 km (outside the range of the MLRS of the Smerch family and operational-tactical ballistic missiles 9M79-1 of the Tochka-U complexes). It is the above countermeasure that is capable of fundamentally undermining the combat stability of the "offensive skeletons" of the regular Azerbaijani army, formed in the vicinity of Nizhny Novgorod. Shukurbeyli and Jebrail villages.

Meanwhile, the maximum effectiveness of such strikes (with the final incapacitation of the entire list of the above objects) can be achieved only in case of successful overcoming of the anti-missile "umbrella" formed over the central and eastern regions of Azerbaijan by long-range anti-aircraft missile systems S-300PMU-2 " Favorite ", Israeli medium / long-range air defense systems" Barak-8 / ER ", as well as Israeli highly specialized medium-range anti-missile systems" Iron Dome "(" Iron Dome ").

The outdated operational-tactical missile systems 9K72 "Elbrus" (the good old "Scud-B" in accordance with the NATO codification), which are in service with the MFA of Armenia, will not be able to oppose anything to the above anti-aircraft missile systems, since the operational-tactical ballistic missiles 8K14M-1 for more than 25 years of operation, they have not gone through a single stage of modernization and still have a very mediocre software guidance system, represented by a lateral acceleration gyro, a gyro-integrator for longitudinal accelerations (range automatic), a gyro horizon and an AS 1SB13 calculating device. The analog architecture and ordinary computing capabilities of the AS 1SB13 inertial-navigation computer, together with a low margin of safety of the power elements of the OTBR 8K14M-1 hull, exclude the possibility of introducing and implementing an anti-aircraft maneuvering mode with overloads of the order of 25-30 units, which turns the Armenian Scuds "Into ideal targets for highly maneuverable missile interceptors 48N6E2, Barak-8ER and Tamir, which are included in the ammunition of the Azerbaijani S-300PMU-2, Baraks and Iron Domes.

As for the "Iskander-E" operational-tactical missile systems, which are "strategic assets" of Yerevan, which entered service with the missile forces and artillery of Armenia in the fall of 2015 in the amount of 12 9P78-1E launchers (standard brigade kit) within the framework of the preferential 200- millionth "defense" loan, the salvo launch of operational-tactical ballistic missiles 9M723-1E will provide a full-fledged "breakthrough" of the echeloned anti-missile shield of the air defense forces of Azerbaijan. Having developed all-rotating tail aerodynamic rudders capable of operating synchronously with 4 two-nozzle reusable solid propellants for pitch control (to increase the angular rate of turn), a noticeably large safety factor of the hulls, as well as advanced digital INS based on high-performance on-board computers, solid-state semiconductor gyros, operational and accelerometers tactical ballistic missiles 9M723-1E are capable of carrying out intensive anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of 25-30G on outgoing branches and terminal sections of trajectories, leaving the S-300PMU-2, Barak-8ER and Iron Dome complexes no chance of counteraction. The fact is that the control systems of 48N6E2, Barak-8ER anti-aircraft missiles, as well as Tamir interceptors can boast of the presence of only aerodynamic control surfaces and gas-jet thrust vector deflection systems (OVT), which provide these products with very "viscous" maneuvering with implementation of 35-40G overloads in 0,1-0,2 s, while for intercepting a maneuvering overload with 30 units. OTRK 9M723-1E "Iskander-E" interceptor must carry out an overload of 62-70 units. for a period of 0,05–0,07 s.

Only three types of promising interceptor missiles have similar flight and technical qualities: the domestic 9M96E2 from OJSC MKB "Fakel" (included in the ammunition of the S-400, S-350 "Vityaz" air defense systems and the shipborne "Redut" air defense missile system), the French "Aster-30" from consortium "Eurosam" (included in the ammunition of the SAM / KZRK SAMP-T / PAAMS) and the American MIM-104F PAC-3MSE complexes "Patriot PAC-3MSE", equipped with gas-dynamic "belts" of transverse control engines of impulse action, which provide these missiles with the ability to perform lightning-fast transverse throws on a trajectory with overloads of about 65G.

Fortunately, three years earlier, representatives of the headquarters of the Eurosam consortium on commercial cooperation and export sales could not agree with representatives of the Azerbaijani defense department on concluding a contract for the supply of SAMP-T anti-aircraft missile / anti-missile systems with an impressive ammunition load of several hundred missiles. interceptors "Aster-30", which pose a threat to the Armenian Iskander-E detachments; the latter preferred Israeli anti-aircraft missiles.
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  1. Snail N9
    Snail N9 12 October 2020 05: 39
    15
    Well? How many of those Iskander Armenians have there? If the Iskanders fly from the Armenians, then the Azeri will fly back. Something similar to the "war of cities" during the Iran-Iraq war will begin.
    1. Nazar
      Nazar 12 October 2020 06: 03
      21
      It's still tougher - now it seems like the Armed Forces of the unrecognized republic are fighting from the Armenian side, it's clear to everyone that there is also reg. part of the Armenian army proper, but formally "ichtam". But the use of Iskander is the entry into the conflict of the rep. Armenia, which can only happen in response to a direct attack on the territory of Armenia itself and not Karabakh. But this (attack on Armenia itself) is not now, it looks like it is not planned, and that is why the Iskanders are. but you may not have to use them at all.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 12 October 2020 13: 54
        +1
        IMHO, the possibility of Turkey's involvement in the war stopped a third party - Armenia.
        Neither the Su-30 nor the Armenian Iskanders are used directly. hi
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 12 October 2020 07: 39
      +6
      If the brigade kit is standard, then 24 missiles are in the launcher and another 24 in the TPM.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 12 October 2020 09: 20
        +7
        Quote: strannik1985
        If the brigade kit is standard, then 24 missiles are in the launcher and another 24 in the TPM.

        On the export version, one missile launcher. So 12 missiles in a salvo.
  2. Vasya Lozhkin
    Vasya Lozhkin 12 October 2020 05: 43
    -18 qualifying.
    Armenians do not gather more than 2. You can get a pumpkin. Bombs and rockets fall from above.
  3. atalef
    atalef 12 October 2020 05: 59
    44
    Damanians again belay
    Question. In what G can the Damantsev overload be measured and how much can the VO readers withstand?
    When an article begins with words
    call on Mr. Aliyev and his entourage to common sense and initiate the process of diplomatic settlement of the next stage of the age-old Karabakh conflict, as well as on the eve of the readiness expressed by the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan for a constructive dialogue with Baku,

    It is clear - the article will be engaged with the well-known Damantsev overload - nozzles, maneuvers, NATO, gyrocompasses and many, many bukaffs.
    negative
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 12 October 2020 06: 26
      28
      Fueled by Erdogan's phased nanocut of pan-Turkism, the Baku Revanchists, letting in front of their infantry the Pentagon hirelings from Tahrir-Po-ve-Sham of the Arab neo-Janissaries, who did not give a damn about common sense and quantum physics, bought from Israel the only way to buy the system from Israel. rusty Palestinian water pipes of varying degrees of corrosion. They are powerless against the IRGC's G-Points, not to mention the NKR Army's D-30 shells. What will Aliyev do when an RPG-15 of the Armenian Armed Forces will fly to his base of Bayraktar drones, inferior in maneuverability in close combat to the I-7-bis?
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 October 2020 07: 14
        19
        Quote: Krasnodar
        What will Aliyev do when an RPG-15 of the Armenian Armed Forces will fly to his base of Bayraktar drones, inferior in maneuverability in close combat to the I-7-bis?

        like an old joke
        -What will you do if a cow approaches your car and drinks all the water from the radiator?
        correct answer
        - you need to quickly remove the crankshaft and fuck her between the horns. tongue
      2. Jager
        Jager 12 October 2020 07: 17
        11
        Give me some too, please! laughing
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 October 2020 08: 30
          20
          Quote: Jager
          Give me some too, please! laughing

          How can you cool down when the author is so hot. It turns out that the first foreign customer of the LCD was not the US Army, which received the LCD this month, but Azerbaijan. wassat

          Quote: Krasnodar
          Fueled by Erdogan's phased nanocut of pan-Turkism, the Baku Revanchists, letting in front of their infantry the Pentagon hirelings from Tahrir-Po-ve-Sham of the Arab neo-Janissaries, who did not give a damn about common sense and quantum physics, bought from Israel the only way to buy the system from Israel. rusty Palestinian water pipes of varying degrees of corrosion. They are powerless against the IRGC's G-Points, not to mention the NKR Army's D-30 shells. What will Aliyev do when an RPG-15 of the Armenian Armed Forces will fly to his base of Bayraktar drones, inferior in maneuverability in close combat to the I-7-bis?

          The Azerbaijanis have not yet gone with the trump cards, Jericho missiles located at the Dalyar airbase. However, Jericho is known to have little chance against the Armenian S-500 located in the city of Artik, in the foothills of Alagez. The Armenians also hold a trump card in their sleeve, the nuclear submarine at a secret base on Sivan. So the most interesting is yet to come, and Damantsev's articles will be even more interesting. The flight of his fantasy truly knows no bounds.
          1. matross
            matross 12 October 2020 15: 10
            12
            Quote: Professor
            How can you cool down

            Well, why so radically ... the comrade only asked him to sleep repeat
            Or have you already been sleeping on the sly, professor? wassat
            On the subject: 1.Damantsev LJO.
            2. Armenia, as a state, does not use any modern means of destruction for attacking actions. For ss-t. Karabakh will be transferred to Azerbaijan. The regime will change in Armenia. This is a lesson for all multi-vector and other bisexuals.
          2. MTN
            MTN 12 October 2020 15: 35
            -2
            Quote: Professor
            Armenian S-500

            belay Seriously or is this a joke?
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 October 2020 16: 34
              +4
              Quote: MTN
              Quote: Professor
              Armenian S-500

              belay Seriously or is this a joke?

              What is serious in this article?
          3. Falcon5555
            Falcon5555 12 October 2020 16: 29
            +2
            That the nuclear submarine - the Armenians still did not use their main caliber - the ark, which they took from Ararat.
          4. Garris199
            Garris199 12 October 2020 21: 22
            +1
            On one resource, this video came out under the title
            S-300 shot down an Azerbaijani F-16
            ... Can anyone tell me what the modification is? Block AN-2 smile ?

            And there is also this video. There is a lot of things falling right there.
            1. Jager
              Jager 23 October 2020 19: 09
              +1
              AN-2 Block "Bespilotnik" soldier
          5. viktorR
            viktorR 16 October 2020 15: 55
            +1
            I rarely put pluses to the professor, but I could not resist here. Thank you screamed in a voice :)
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 12 October 2020 15: 28
      +5
      Quote: atalef
      It is clear - the article will be engaged with the well-known Damantsev overload - nozzles, maneuvers, NATO, gyrocompasses and many, many bukaffs.

      Gyrocompasses and gyroscopes ...
      - Where do you work?
      - I make gyroscopes
      -Oh, you know, I don't believe in gyroscopes ...
  4. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 12 October 2020 07: 03
    +1
    Will they turn around?
    And if not?
    Who will answer?
  5. Eug
    Eug 12 October 2020 07: 41
    +1
    Interestingly - the way Damantsev describes the possible joint operation of tail rudders and two-nozzle solid propellant rocket engines, and even with the ability of the Iskander rocket to endure increased lateral overload - it turns out that it is possible to directly control the lifting force. for me, it would be worth retrofitting the rocket and solid propellant rocket with transverse control with the appropriate modernization of the SU - if, of course, there is a technical possibility ..
  6. Operator
    Operator 12 October 2020 07: 46
    +5
    The number of Iskander-E missiles in Armenia is scanty and will only be enough for purposes of strategic importance, such as the dam of the Mingechevir reservoir.

    There is absolutely nothing to stop the tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled guns of the enemy of Armenia, since the Armenian equipment of the battlefield is completely knocked out like in a shooting gallery by Azerbaijani patrolling ammunition.
    1. Dimon71
      Dimon71 12 October 2020 08: 07
      -5
      Well, if the tanks of the NKR army are knocked out so well, where is the throw of tanks and infantry into the depths of the territory. Why in one place? Aliyev announces the capture of those cities and villages. Project War Gonzo tudzhe refutes this by filming a report directly from these villages !!!!!
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 October 2020 09: 02
        +5
        Azerbaijanis have nowhere to rush.
        1. uhu189
          uhu189 12 October 2020 10: 50
          +1
          Yeah, there's nowhere, except that every day of the war costs a lot of money, then of course there is no need to rush ...
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 12 October 2020 09: 05
        +3
        Yes, there are only steppes up to Stepanakert. The most tsimes for throwing tanks good
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 09: 16
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The most tsimes for throwing tanks


          Somehow the STORM did not happen.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 12 October 2020 11: 04
          10
          Many commentators live in World War II films, tank throws, ducking.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 12 October 2020 11: 14
            +7
            Yes, at least they asked about the area.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 12 October 2020 11: 30
              -1
              Here the analysis is close to reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4rTjt1aIf0&t=293s
              Although, I believe that Hadrut has already been taken. There is greenery, cleaning the leaked
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 11: 44
            +1
            The second Iraqi, as well as Operation Storm, as well as many other things, just passed you by. Which is generally not surprising.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 12 October 2020 11: 47
              +4
              You cannot distinguish the steppes of Iraq from the hills and mountainous terrain of Karabakh?
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 12: 21
                -2
                Oh, now you have the relief of the wrong system. Not surprisingly cho. In the beginning, I told you that the operation should be completed within 5-7 days. And this is exactly what was planned. But the reality is different. Time has run out and political reins have begun to slow you down, it will be more fun further.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 12 October 2020 12: 27
                  +2
                  Everything is going according to plan, don't worry.
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 12: 29
                    +2
                    I do not worry. Moreover, I wish you and the Armenians good luck ...
                2. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 12 October 2020 13: 25
                  +5
                  Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that a number of settlements in Karabakh have come under the control of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, and after a while Baku will announce this.

                  Ilham Aliyev said this in an interview with Haber Global.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 08: 29
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      because the Armenian technology of the battlefield is completely knocked out like in a shooting range by Azerbaijani patrolling ammunition.


      Clean up exactly? And the front stood up. For two weeks, the progress is scanty. It seems like there was a swing to capture Karabakh ... Or did something go wrong?
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 October 2020 09: 05
        +3
        There is no front - there is a methodical knocking out of Armenian tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, artillery, air defense systems, electronic warfare and army trucks even before entering into fire contact with the advancing units of the Azerbaijani army.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 09: 06
          -5
          Are you a modern teenager, what if you judge the situation from the clips?
          At the same time, what is most important, Baku completely closed the information about the lost in personnel.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 12 October 2020 11: 10
            -2

            And the Uber-Armenians have no losses, right?
  7. Dimon71
    Dimon71 12 October 2020 08: 01
    +8
    What is the meaning of the article? The article ended so abruptly that I didn't fucking understand !!!!
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 12 October 2020 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: Dimon71
      What is the meaning of the article? The article ended so abruptly that I didn't fucking understand !!!!

      We have the data, but we will not show it to you. It is secret! laughing
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 12 October 2020 10: 46
      +4
      Quote: Dimon71
      What is the meaning of the article? The article ended so abruptly that I didn't fucking understand !!!!

      But how many letters.
  8. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 October 2020 08: 26
    -2
    Everything is clear, what is not clear here, the NKR has trump cards and these trump cards, according to Aliyev's mustache, and neither S-300PMU-2 and the "Iron Dome" will help him. laughing
  9. New Year day
    New Year day 12 October 2020 08: 48
    +8
    The author clouded everything with his terms, but forgot the main thing. Transferring the war to the territory of Azerbaijan automatically entails a retaliatory strike on the territory of Armenia proper. And this is a full-scale war. I think that even in these conditions the Russian Federation within the framework of the CSTO will not be able to help the Armenians in any way, unlike Turkey, for example. Comparing the potentials of Azerbaijan with Turkey and Armenia, the outcome of the battle is obvious.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 09: 13
      -3
      Quote: Silvestr
      I think that even in these conditions the Russian Federation within the framework of the CSTO will not be able to help the Armenians in any way, unlike Turkey, for example.


      Study geography or something. Turkey is just as unable to help Azerbaijan as we are to Armenia. If necessary, the Georgian way is blocked once. Turkey itself, in any case, will not enter the war, no matter how the Sultan is galloping now. How do you understand the real status of the war that is going on now from the full-scale Armenian-Azerbaijani one? I assure you the answer is exclusively in the field of law, nothing more. Moreover, after the strikes on Stepanokert, the NKAO received the moral right to fire wherever they please.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 12 October 2020 09: 21
        +9
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Study geography or something.

        laughing

        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Turkey is just as unable to help Azerbaijan as we are to Armenia.

        What are they doing now?
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        After the blows on Stepanokert, the NKAO received the moral right to fire wherever they please.

        Dreams that nourished youth
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 11: 27
          -4
          Quote: Silvestr
          Dreams that nourished youth


          I testify to the real state of affairs.

          Quote: Silvestr
          What are they doing now?


          Have you seen somewhere Turkish F-16 traditionally bombing everything that comes to hand? Turkish tank companies broke through the Armenian front or what? This is what I call help.
          If you look at your map carefully, you should understand that exactly to the same extent as Armenia is cut off from the Russian Federation, Azerbaijan is cut off from Turkey, there is also only air transit, in fact, and also sea. Which can be closed easily if necessary ..
          I'm talking about the military side of the matter. The lowering of Pashinyan and K to a level below the plinth knob should be welcomed. But there is also a certain red line when we will have to act (CSTO Charter). And in principle there are no problems to cut off Azerbaijan from supplies.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 12 October 2020 13: 03
            +2
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Have you seen somewhere Turkish F-16 traditionally bombing everything that comes to hand?

            Are there few drones and janissaries?
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Azerbaijan is cut off from Turkey

            So what? In the event of a full-scale war, namely this option is being considered, Turkey is included from its territory.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 18: 33
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              So what? In the event of a full-scale war, namely this option is being considered, Turkey is included from its territory.


              So, what is next? Is that what the Turks really need? Then, on the sly, they will start to beat them happily from the side of the Mediterranean ... But forget about amendment # 5 ...
              I said above, the Turks and we are tightly blocking each other from direct military intervention

              Are there few drones and janissaries?

              Drones? So what? Surely there is some kind of a team of business travelers ...

              And with the Janissaries, you can some kind of real proof ...?
            2. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 14 October 2020 00: 35
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              So what? In the event of a full-scale war, namely this option is being considered, Turkey is included from its territory.

              There the CSTO, because Turkey can only help by attacking Armenia, I do not think that Erdogan will agree to this
          2. Imperial Technocrat
            Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 18: 03
            +1
            Yes, this is an operation to remove Nikol Sorosyan
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 October 2020 09: 29
        +4
        Azerbaijan has a large fleet of transport workers.
    2. Dimon71
      Dimon71 12 October 2020 09: 44
      -1
      And how do you imagine a tray of cartridges from Tr to Az if the CSTO completely closes the skies over Georgia? And in a state of war, no one will ask Georgians !!!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 12 October 2020 09: 56
        11
        Quote: Dimon71
        CSTO will completely close the skies over Georgia?

        On what basis? But Georgia has already closed the sky for Russia and transport workers are going through Iran.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 11: 29
          -6
          Quote: Silvestr
          Based on what?


          In my opinion it is obvious. In view of providing assistance to one of the belligerent countries. We can introduce a no-fly.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 12 October 2020 13: 00
            +6
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            We can introduce a no-fly.

            Over Georgia? laughing
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 18: 35
              +1
              What's the problem? For the first time or what?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 13 October 2020 22: 11
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                What's the problem? For the first time or what?

                do you think that Russia can close the airspace over a foreign state? Then, logically, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia can do the same?
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 13 October 2020 22: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Then, logically, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia can do the same?


                  We can. They can not. The question is solely about political expediency
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 13 October 2020 22: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    The question is solely about political expediency

                    violation of international laws is called. And for this punishment is due.
        2. Isim soyad
          Isim soyad 12 October 2020 15: 30
          -1
          And Iran has closed for several days now. After a massive transfer of equipment through Iran by vehicles, the Azerbaijanis of Iran, alive, blocked their roads, and burned several trucks (there are several videos about this on YouTube), and began a demonstration against the authorities about not allowing military transit for Armenia. After that, the authorities announced the closure of transit through Iran, probably in order to avoid internal problems. We write the media, and at the official level, that civilian planes from the Russian Federation to the RA have become more frequent.
    3. MTN
      MTN 12 October 2020 15: 38
      -1
      Quote: Silvestr
      I think that even in these conditions the Russian Federation within the framework of the CSTO will not be able to help the Armenians in any way, unlike Turkey, for example. When comparing the potentials of Azerbaijan with Turkey and Armenia, the outcome of the battle is obvious.

      Turkey will intervene only if the third one intervenes in the conflict. And so they are still behind the scenes.
    4. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 18: 02
      +2
      The Armenians have already hammered several times on the territory of Azerbaijan, they banged on Ganja, killing 10 civil Azerbaijanis, and nothing, Aliyev wiped himself out. About "the Russian Federation will not be able to help" is generally ridiculous, how one must be alternatively gifted in order to spew such nonsense. Naturally, if there is a full-scale attack on Armenia, then Russia will be forced to destroy the military infrastructure of Azerbaijan, Turkey, or whoever else attacks there with a massive missile attack.
  10. Maks1995
    Maks1995 12 October 2020 09: 07
    +5
    That's when they "turn around", then write.
    And now the shapkozakidatelstvo in all urya-smi order is tired.
    1. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 18: 04
      0
      The inappropriate whining of all infantile scum is also tired of
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 October 2020 09: 29
    0
    The Turks in the S-400 write that there are such missiles in the kit
    1. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 18: 04
      0
      No. Export stripped down version
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 October 2020 20: 32
        0
        The photo was posted on the military parity. Instead of one pipe - 4 thin ones.
  12. uranium
    uranium 12 October 2020 09: 54
    -1
    Nobody rules out the use of Iskander by Armenia. But if this happens, then the third world war will already begin. The Turks will fit in for Azerbaijan and Russia for the Armenians. This is what the Armenian authorities are seeking. The collapse of the USSR occurred because of the conflict of Nagorno-Karabakh and not without the tacit consent of the marked one.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 11: 31
      -2
      Quote: uran
      But if this happens, then the third world war will already begin.


      It's funny. Even more than that, some kind of clownery. Most likely, part of NATO will merge, another part of NATO will begin to drive Erdogan across the Mediterranean. And the United States does not care. Their tusk on the Tomato signor has grown not frail.
      1. uranium
        uranium 12 October 2020 15: 35
        0
        NATO countries will have a bigger fang on GDP. So it's not very funny.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 18: 37
          0
          Quote: uran
          NATO countries will have a bigger fang on GDP. So it's not very funny.


          Exactly what is funny ... And what will they do not tell? And I know the sanction will be introduced for the hundredth-fifth time ..
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 13 October 2020 22: 14
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            And what will they do not tell?

            they will ask, for example, the Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud to drop the oil price by 10 dollars and by 2-3 months, to begin with
  13. iouris
    iouris 12 October 2020 11: 11
    -1
    It should be limited to the title. The text does not say anything about the fiasco.
  14. Homeland
    Homeland 12 October 2020 11: 54
    +4
    If Armenia had "trump cards", they would not have begged Putin, Macron, Merkel, etc. (several times) to ask Azerbaijan to stop the offensive. All the Russian media now and then exaggerate the military strength of the "long-suffering Armenian people" and downplay the power of the Azerbaijani army.
    1. MTN
      MTN 12 October 2020 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: Homeland
      If Armenia had "trump cards"

      They say many leaders have turned off their mobile phones from Pashinyan)))))
    2. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 18: 05
      -1
      the power of the Azerbaijani army.

      Ornul
  15. Freedim
    Freedim 12 October 2020 13: 07
    0
    The Armenians, except for cannon fodder, now do not risk at all, knowing full well that military actions on the territory of Armenia are unlikely to be transferred. Otherwise, Russia will be obliged to enter the conflict, and neither the Azerbaijanis nor the Turks need this.
    Residents of the NKR and the front-line regions of Azerbaijan are being held hostage to the situation. They will have to feel the effect of everything that can fly and explode. Now everyone is waiting for the warring parties to run out of ammunition. However, Azerbaijan’s warehouses are larger, besides, the Turks can deliver compatible ammunition to them. The Armenians, on the other hand, because of the slippery Pashinyan policy, to lick Soros's opus, material aid from Russia with lethal weapons shines weakly. And if they still stink in the sense of "we were all betrayed, leave Gyumri", they will have to part with Karabakh unambiguously.
    NKR initially had to take the tracing paper of Kosovo, and secede according to the well-known scenario, forcing Europe to recognize their independence (the European Union cannot renounce Kosovo and recognize the illegality of their actions in the Yugoslav conflict). And then appeal to the UN and similar instances.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 October 2020 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: FreeDIM
      financial aid from Russia with lethal weapons shines poorly.


      Quite right. Pashinyan THIS

      Moscow will not forget ...
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 14 October 2020 00: 47
      +1
      Quote: FreeDIM
      NKR initially had to take the tracing paper of Kosovo, and secede according to the well-known scenario, forcing Europe to recognize their independence

      The NKAO does not have a border with Armenia, Armenia did not recognize the NKR, between Armenia and the NKR is the Azerbaijani territory recognized by Armenia. Even recognizing NKR as an independent state, then if you look at the map

      only the Lachin corridor will remain, the rest will have to be returned to Azerbaijan
  16. svoit
    svoit 12 October 2020 13: 32
    -1
    Quote: Nazar
    But the use of Iskander is the entry into the conflict of the rep. Armenia.

    You are still not quite right, no one rejected friendly help, the main thing is that the launches would not take place from the territory of Armenia.
  17. Runway
    Runway 12 October 2020 14: 11
    +6
    I read the first paragraph and shuddered. I read the first paragraph under the heading "Castles in the Air" and so on. - decided to break his diploma (the attacking side has the operational depth of Defense) .....
    Cubed game ...
  18. Old26
    Old26 12 October 2020 14: 34
    +4
    As for the "Iskander-E" operational-tactical missile systems, which are the "strategic asset" of Yerevan, which entered service with the Armenian missile forces and artillery in the fall of 2015 in the amount of 12 9P78-1E launchers (standard brigade kit) within the framework of the preferential 200- millionth "defense" loan.

    But for some reason, over the course of several years, all well-known military reference books claim that Armenia has a divisional set of 4 SPU and 4 TPM. And Evgeny already has 12 SPU.

    With all-turning developed tail aerodynamic rudders capable of operating synchronously with 4 two-nozzle reusable solid propellant motors for pitch control (to increase the angular rate of turn)
    ... are able to carry out intensive anti-zenith maneuvers with overloads of 25-30G on outgoing branches and terminal sections of trajectories.

    It's hard to say about the developed aerodynamic rudders. They are smaller than those of the same "Point". Yes, there are multiple-use solid propellant motors for pitch control, but after the engine stops working, the gas rudders also stop working (and this is after about 15 seconds of engine operation). How, at the same time, using only aerodynamic control surfaces, you can intensively maneuver, making anti-aircraft maneuvers with such an overload - well, I don't know. In fact, the "blank" falls down. How it can maneuver intensively without an engine is a great mystery ...

    Quote: 1976AG
    On the export version, one missile launcher. So 12 missiles in a salvo.

    In fact, the export version uses the 9P78 self-propelled launcher designed for two missiles.
  19. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 12 October 2020 17: 54
    0
    There is a battle of scraps. That the S-300PMU-2 was delivered to Azerbaijan, of course, in a cut export version, that Iskander-E was supplied to Armenia in a cut export version. In my opinion, the export Iskander cannot maneuver and also has a lower flight speed. I do not know who will win this battle of scraps, but the export PM-2, in my opinion, is cut less

    "Iskander-E", entered service with the rocket forces and artillery of Armenia in the fall of 2015 in the amount of 12 launchers 9P78-1E (standard brigade kit)

    It seems like not a brigade was delivered, but only 4 launchers. Those. something like a battalion (?)
    operational-tactical BR 9M723-1E are capable of carrying out intensive anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of 25-30G

    Where is infa that export, cut Iskander's versions can maneuver? I've heard the completely opposite information that export Isoks have removed this function
  20. KOLORADO73
    KOLORADO73 12 October 2020 19: 05
    -5
    Muslims intend to finally cleanse Karabakh of Christians! And the Iskanders will be taken back to Kolomna!
  21. KOLORADO73
    KOLORADO73 12 October 2020 19: 09
    -2
    Where have the US and NATO gone? They used to actively intervene in all kinds of conflicts! Oh yes, I forgot that the civilized world will still mourn the murder of George Floyd, it is not up to Karabakh now for white people from New York, Chicago, London and Sweden!
  22. Victorm
    Victorm 12 October 2020 20: 10
    -1
    ... Moscow's attempts to call on Mr. Aliyev and his entourage to common sense and initiate the process of diplomatic settlement of the next stage of the age-old Karabakh conflict, as well as the readiness expressed by Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan the day before for a constructive dialogue with Baku
    Oh, how "cool bridled" right from the dumbass to the waist laughing
    As for the "Iskander-E" operational-tactical missile systems, which are the "strategic asset" of Yerevan, which entered service with the Armenian missile forces and artillery in the fall of 2015 in the amount of 12 9P78-1E launchers (standard brigade kit) within the framework of the preferential 200- millionth "defense" loan, the salvo launch of operational-tactical ballistic missiles 9M723-1E will provide a full-fledged "breakthrough" of the echeloned anti-missile shield of the air defense forces of Azerbaijan. Having developed all-turning tail aerodynamic rudders capable of operating synchronously with 4 double-nozzle reusable solid propellant motors for pitch control (to increase the angular rate of turn), a noticeably large safety factor of the hulls, as well as advanced digital INS based on high-performance on-board computers, solid-state semiconductor gyroscopes, operational accelerometers and accelerometers. tactical ballistic missiles 9M723-1E are capable of carrying out intensive anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of 25-30G on outgoing branches and terminal sections of trajectories, leaving the S-300PMU-2, Barak-8ER and Iron Dome complexes no chance of counteraction.
    It did not occur to the author why North Korea's large-caliber barreled artillery and MLRS are more dangerous for South Korea than North Korean missiles? ...
    Regarding the use of Iskander-E OTRK by Armenia, firstly, a strike is possible only on static targets, like the same long-suffering Mingechevir hydroelectric complex and Mingechevir state district power station, at which everyone is aiming, but they cannot get through, well, perhaps for some other targets in depth, but again static, and even not the fact that they will hit. For a country like Armenia, which does not have modern means of reconnaissance, ranging from perfect UAVs to satellites, it is IMPOSSIBLE to hit other than static targets in the depths.
    The strike by OTRK Ikander-E is an inevitable response of Azerbaijan on the territory of Armenia, and the CSTO can be thrust deep somewhere here. From the borders of Nakhichevan to Yerevan, 55-60 km, and for example, the range of the Kasyrga MLRS deployed there by Azerbaijan is 100 km. Each installation is 4 missiles, only under the first contract 21 units were supplied to Azerbaijan.
    https://topwar.ru/100954-smi-turciya-zavershila-postavki-v-azerbaydzhan-raketnyh-sistem-kasirga.html
    Warhead 150kg, salvo of one installation 600kg, salvo of 20 units - 80 missiles with an interval between every 20 for 6-8 seconds and the weight of their salvo is 12 tons, and this is in less than a minute. It is interesting for the author to think about the possibility of the air defense of Armenia in this case, or the combined capabilities of the air defense of Armenia and Russia? ...

    The first OTRK Iskander missile towards Azerbaijan is the beginning of a full-scale war, and Russia will not help here. The meaning of the tale is here to discuss? This is a horrible scenario, including for Russia, there will already be a batch, and not only Russia will take part in it. Although everything can be expected from the Armenians, and the interests of Russia and its authority for them are ZERO events time after time ...
  23. mister-red
    mister-red 12 October 2020 21: 18
    0
    Quote: Professor
    However, Jericho is known to have little chance against the Armenian S-500

    Does Armenia have S-500 ?! Did they get them by teleportation from the future?
  24. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 12 October 2020 21: 20
    0
    There will be no volleys, the Armenians of Karabakh will receive tyrki and kaput.
  25. Victorm
    Victorm 12 October 2020 23: 50
    -2
    Quote: 9 Shaft
    There will be no volleys, the Armenians of Karabakh will receive tyrki and kaput.

    Sorry, but you are mistaken.

    Azerbaijan began hostilities and is advancing along the entire front line, not even in response to the more frequent provocations from the Armenian Armed Forces, but in response to Pashinyan's political provocations, the continuation of which was the first. The defeat of the Armenian Armed Forces in Azerbaijan, or their withdrawal from the occupied territories will be a sentence to Pashinyan. And I dare to remind you that Pashinyan is the fruit of the labors of several years of Americans, not Soros, but the United States, Soros does only what is in the interests of the United States. The Americans will not allow their labors to be poured down the toilet, in any case they will try to do everything to prevent this. Plus, for Pashinyan, there is a question of preserving himself, and not even a politician, but just his life.

    Let me remind you, speaking of the United States of America, we are talking about a country that was the only country in the world to use atomic weapons, which hatched plans to deliver similar strikes against our then common country, the USSR. This is a country that turned almost the entire Middle East upside down, this is a country that, under a far-fetched pretext, or rather a forgery, achieved an opportunity and actually destroyed Iraq and executed its leader, this country destroyed the European state of Yugoslavia, before sowing and growing the seeds of enmity there ...

    Now think that there is some kind of Transcaucasia for the United States with its microscopic dimensions? ... They need a corridor to Central Asia, they cut it through, plus they need coverage of Iran from the north. Armenia, or rather the presence of Russia in it, even in the event of Azerbaijan's final pulling over to its side, Georgia's and Azerbaijan's integration into NATO, is a constant threat to this corridor. The task is to expel Russia from there, it did not work out politically through Pashinyan, or rather they did not have time, and now his fate is in the balance, then this can be done, including by dragging Russia into the conflict. And Pashinyan is now doing EVERYTHING to make this happen. In Russia, the fifth column is quite strong, Putin is not a supercomputer, he does not make all decisions on his own and alone, therefore there is always a risk that the fifth column will enter the work and will have the necessary influence on the same Putin, they may commit any provocations, like from Armenia. and from the side of Azerbaijan, in the latter there will also be their people, including in the defense department and in various state structures.
    There is no need to be stupid thinking that the United States is not up to it now, they say they are busy with elections, etc. Before that, look at all their actions. The Americans keep the situation under control and I think they have again outplayed Russia ... Arms supplies to Armenia from Russia will not equalize its forces with Azerbaijan, but it will finally be turned away from Russia, but Armenia is already leaving, it did not even turn to leave, but it is leaving ... IMHO, Russia no longer has the ability to turn the tide, for any attempts in this direction the Americans will simply raise the stakes even higher and act harder through their pocket Armenian politicians and military.
    So there is a great risk that everything will not end with Karabakh ...
  26. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 13 October 2020 10: 54
    +5
    Having carried out a cursory monitoring of numerous Armenian news portals, the military-analytical "Telegram" -channels "Military Observer", "Armenian Military Portal" and "Operational Line", as well as a review of short video reports of the military leader and author of the "WarGonzo" project Semyon Pegov,
  27. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 13 October 2020 10: 57
    +7
    Having carried out a cursory monitoring of numerous Armenian news portals, the military-analytical "Telegram" -channels "Military Observer", "Armenian Military Portal" and "Operational Line", as well as a review of short video reports of the military leader and author of the "WarGonzo" project Semyon Pegov,

    After reading the Armenian bloggers, did you decide to conduct an analytical sample? it's not convincing .. if not to say it's funny!
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 13 October 2020 22: 09
      -2
      And now most of these "writers for the war" who have never torn their books off the couch and have not been present in the troops for half Monday. They google without problems, and analysts can scrawl for genecology lol
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 14 October 2020 00: 57
        +1
        Quote: akarfoxhound
        And now most of these "writers for the war" who have never torn their books off the couch and have not been present in the troops for half Monday. They google without problems, and analysts can scrawl for genecology

        I agree, I’ll add from myself:
        Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side!
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  29. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 13 October 2020 22: 04
    -1
    By the middle of his "analytics" you get tired of reading this crap of the juggler with Zhenya's numbers, cut off from reality  negative