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When will the LDNR be like Crimea?

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История вопроса



Let's be honest. The origins of the current situation lie back in July 2014, when Igor Girkin victoriously retreated from Sloviansk and other cities, ordering sympathetic militias in the LPR to do the same. This is not the place to discuss for the hundredth time whether this was done correctly, but the reality is that on July 5, 2014, on the day of the retreat, in fact, a time bomb was planted under the existence of the LPR in its current form. However, given that Strelkov planned to flee to Snizhne, the fate of the current territories of the republics hardly worried him more than attempts to introduce aiguillettes, ranks and other rudiments of the pre-revolutionary army.

Many different words were also said, including about the "drain", when the militia did not take Mariupol, from which at that time almost all units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the vaunted "Azov" left. Again, we will not speculate now on whether the DPR militias were ready to defend such a length of the steppe front and defend a huge industrial center. Kiev could "smoke" them out of there practically without a fight - it was enough to turn off the water supply along the "Seversky Donets - Donbass" canal, which is the main source of water supply for the city, the beginning of which is in the very same Slavyansk.

Without water


Today the water supply of the republics hangs in the balance. In the LPR, it depends on the water utility in Popasna, which is under the control of Ukraine: it is regularly turned off for electricity debts both for subscribers in the territory controlled by Kiev and for the LPR. For the LPR, of course, much more often. The entire republic is experiencing problems with water supply, being on the verge of complete dehydration.

The situation in the DPR is not much better. The Seversky Donets - Donbass canal begins in the Slavyansk region and supplies water to the entire republic, as well as Mariupol, which is under the control of Ukrainians, which simply has no alternative. In addition to the canal, there are only a few reservoirs, the water in which is of terrible quality and is suitable only for industrial needs.

Ukraine would long ago have used this trump card - the opportunity to leave Donetsk and Horlivka without water, but Kiev still stops the need to supply water to Mariupol. Otherwise, the matter would have ended with serious problems long ago (the DPR depends on the Seversky Donets - Donbass channel by 60%). Moreover, now Kiev, it seems, has finally got a chance to take advantage of it.

France in touch


Now, for the first time, Kiev has the opportunity to implement an ambitious project of alternative water supply to Mariupol, which is almost guaranteed to mean permanent drought for Donetsk and other cities of the republic. The refinery loan project, which is being implemented with France, is due to be completed by 2024.

Earlier, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmygal said that Kiev and France have already signed an agreement on a loan in the amount of 64 million euros at a minimum of 0,08% per annum for a period of 30 years for the construction of a water treatment plant and modernization of the Mariupol water supply system as a whole. At the same time, Paris will receive a hefty margin - 70% of goods and services will be purchased in France, 30% - in Ukraine or from third parties (that is, subsidiaries of the contractor).

Needless to say, for Donetsk, all this construction may well mean a shutdown of water? The worst thing is that today no one in the republic is doing absolutely nothing to resist the possible "dehydration". The impression is that the DPR is simply hoping for a chance, that Kiev will plunder everything this time too and break the deadlines, freezing construction.

Yes, there are reasons to hope for this (based on the experience of post-Maidan Ukraine). But is it reasonable?
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 8 October 2020 15: 07 New
    +4
    ... The impression is that the DPR is simply hoping for a chance, that Kiev will plunder everything this time too and break the deadlines, freezing construction.

    Judging by the one-sided coverage of this topic, it is so.
    I would like to hear the opinion of the LPNR authorities.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 8 October 2020 15: 08 New
      +7
      When will the LDNR be like Crimea?

      Without water ? We will NEVER No. !

      I will explain ... With such an aquariuslike "Egor Makhov", every day (!!!) streams giving out an article burying us - we are not afraid of thirst No. ... We will not be lost with him! Muddy streams will flood everything, flood ...
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 8 October 2020 15: 29 New
        +5
        In general, when Makhov does not chase people traveling to Ukraine, he writes quite adequately.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 8 October 2020 15: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Kronos
          In general, when Makhov does not chase people traveling to Ukraine, he writes quite adequately.

          My "Donetsk bell tower" rings differently about Makhov ...

          There is no respect, and even less faith for the person who wrote so many unconfirmed opuses about the Donbass ...
          Moreover, I'm not sure that he was a sincere defender of Donbass, and did not fight out of some possibly selfish convictions, an attempt to become famous, to make a career ... And whether he fought at all, or sat out somewhere in a warm, safe place .. ...
          Well, a person who sincerely loves his land cannot, like this, forgive him - drive ...
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 October 2020 16: 12 New
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Kronos
          to Ukraine

          What are you trying to demonstrate with your illiteracy?
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 8 October 2020 17: 31 New
            +5
            I didn't put a minus on you, I appreciated the sarcasm, but I've read for a long time that in Russia it is officially legal to write both "in" and "in" Ukraine. It's a personal matter ...
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 October 2020 21: 23 New
              -2
              Quote: URAL72
              officially legalized

              If you do not understand what you have read, then it is better not to retell these nonsense to others.

              Quote: URAL72
              I didn’t set you a minus

              Yes, you spit on these cons. Bots that "work" on changing the drawn shoulder straps are such a pathetic thing that it is not even worth discussing once again.
      2. SouzniK
        SouzniK 8 October 2020 17: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        When will the LDNR be like Crimea?

        Without water ? We will NEVER

        For some reason, I am sure the same thing .. Good luck in the unequal struggle! As they say, they scared you more than once .. and you grow stronger and there will be no return
    2. nnm
      nnm 8 October 2020 15: 40 New
      -2
      When, finally, we will decide and annex the LDNR to Russia. Then people will stop dying, and peace will come at once, and the economy will recover.
      1. SouzniK
        SouzniK 8 October 2020 17: 37 New
        -6
        Quote: nnm
        When, finally, we will decide and annex the LDNR to Russia. Then people will stop dying, and peace will come at once, and the economy will recover.

        DNI is not Crimea! Here everything is much more complicated and you can't rush .. Otherwise, such a howl will rise, here you need to act cunningly.
        1. nnm
          nnm 8 October 2020 17: 47 New
          +6
          Well, yes .... 7 year will soon go, there is no time to swing. So what? Is someone else's howl or sanctions more important to you than the people who believed in us?
          I'll tell you more - they will howl at Russia as long as it is something like that. But when they begin to praise, it means that they have returned to the 90s.
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 October 2020 21: 37 New
          -4
          Quote: SouzniK
          Everything is much more complicated here.

          "Just believe me - everything is not so simple with us" (c)
    3. Civil
      Civil 8 October 2020 20: 15 New
      +1
      So it is in the Crimea, not everything is in order.
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  3. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 15: 30 New
    +6
    The LDNR will be like Nagorno-Karabakh, which even Armenia does not recognize. Eternal skirmishes, outbreaks of hostilities.
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  4. Alien From
    Alien From 8 October 2020 15: 34 New
    +6
    It will never be in the LDNR as in the Crimea. What's incomprehensible here.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 8 October 2020 15: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      It will never be in the LDNR as in the Crimea. What's incomprehensible here.

      You snatched the wrong leitmotif from the author ... He wrote about global dehydration Donbass ...
  5. avia12005
    avia12005 8 October 2020 15: 41 New
    +8
    Very soon, very soon, Moscow's endless vigilance over the letter of international messages will lead to the fact that the flames of conflict will spread to Russia. I'd like to be wrong.
    1. nnm
      nnm 8 October 2020 16: 04 New
      0
      Why wait for this? Why not then remember the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Taliban holding American bases in Afghanistan as hostages, and Latin Americans are stagnant, the Middle East is sitting idle, not to mention the oppressed blacks in the United States, and how the Cubans are idle ... ..the question is that not only our potential partners know how to create hotbeds of tension, there would be political will for that. And not the desire to wipe off and turn the other cheek every time.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 8 October 2020 17: 05 New
        +2
        Eh. If you really were to be the "bad guys". For them, political shuleps and skiers. That's right, it's time to pose.
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  7. maktub
    maktub 8 October 2020 16: 10 New
    +1
    No, I don't think so.
    Putin said that Donbass is tse Ukraine, why should you turn off your water
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 8 October 2020 16: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: maktub
      No, I don't think so.
      Putin said that Donbass is tse Ukraine, why should you turn off your water
      then, logically, Ukraine should, over time, enter the Donbass winked
      1. maktub
        maktub 8 October 2020 16: 38 New
        -2
        Usually small areas are included in large
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 8 October 2020 18: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: maktub
          Usually small areas are included in large

          Something you small territories have been talking a lot lately winked We'll have to seat you yes

          By the way, about the territory wink

          1. maktub
            maktub 8 October 2020 18: 49 New
            +1
            Well, what kind of mobile resource does this territory have in comparison with the states, like for example?
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 8 October 2020 20: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: maktub
              Well, what kind of mobile resource does this territory have in comparison with the states, like for example?

              Don't compare Russia with ... world robbers No.
          2. Masha
            Masha 8 October 2020 18: 59 New
            +6
            And in the Vatican we are much longer! wink love
            1. maktub
              maktub 8 October 2020 19: 37 New
              +2
              Subtle humor, appreciated! good laughing
              And in boas and parrots? repeat
              1. Masha
                Masha 8 October 2020 19: 42 New
                +4
                And in boas and parrots?

                Boas ... parrots ..........
                We measure in BEARS !!! lol love
                1. maktub
                  maktub 8 October 2020 20: 04 New
                  -1
                  Boas and parrots-Soyuzmultfilm
                  Why not in nesting dolls, there are more of them?
                  In 8 years of life in Eastern Siberia, I saw a bear 2 times winked
                  1. Masha
                    Masha 8 October 2020 20: 11 New
                    +6
                    I have lived all my life ... I have never seen ... one fig of a bear we have, even in Moscow, there are nesting dolls walking around the streets ... wassat
                    1. maktub
                      maktub 8 October 2020 20: 19 New
                      0
                      Ja, ja, vodka from a samovar, ushanka, garmoshka and riding a bear on Red Square laughing
                      1. Terenin
                        Terenin 8 October 2020 20: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: maktub
                        Ja, ja, vodka from a samovar, ushanka, garmoshka and riding a bear on Red Square laughing

                        You, it would be better if Motor Sich came back to save, otherwise your lads will control it in spite of the "red list".
                      2. maktub
                        maktub 8 October 2020 20: 28 New
                        0
                        Not a modest question: - where to return from, from Tahiti? So I haven't been there yet
  8. Insurgent
    Insurgent 8 October 2020 16: 32 New
    -6
    Quote: maktub
    Putin said that Donbass is tse Ukraine, why should you turn off your water

    And what, you Putin decree? You have your own watercourses ... Everyone yells that the Crimea is the outskirts ... And the water was blocked ...

    If Crimea is the Outskirts for you, then blocking the water on the peninsula, is it Zrada, or Idiocy?
    Quote: maktub
    No, I don't think so.


    That ... DO NOT THINK... Since the moment of "Square" that accidentally fell on you ....
    1. maktub
      maktub 8 October 2020 16: 49 New
      +1
      But Putin is your dear father
      When you have regular (the main word is regular) troops of a neighboring state, then you will be left without water
      You didn’t live well with independence, as far as I remember there were some of the highest salaries in Donbass?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 17: 02 New
        -1
        Quote: maktub
        When you have regular (the main word is regular) troops of a neighboring state, then you will be left without water

        And who are you fighting with? belay ,butХsprings HTO? belay
        Quote: maktub
        You didn’t live well with independence, as far as I remember there were some of the highest salaries in Donbass?


        Relatively high, among other things, my pre-war salary of a miner, according to my cousin, was abandoned in Kiev by the will of fate - for the capital was minuscule.
        And besides, my department was specifically financed from the budget, and as a result experienced constant (months) delays in the payment of wages ...
        Moreover, regardless of the presidents and government changes. The system created once did not fail for any of them.
        If it was possible to "save" with the aim of apparently "turning money for interest", mocking people - nothing stopped bureaucrats ...

        The proof is a class action lawsuit, signature lists, protocols that I have kept since 2014 ...
        1. maktub
          maktub 8 October 2020 17: 18 New
          0
          We are at war with the "separatists" fully supported by Russia (in various forms)
          What prevented you from changing your job? Acquaintances work for Akhmetov and do not "blow" anywhere and also receive "regression"
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 8 October 2020 17: 38 New
        0
        There are still mines left in Ukraine, work, at the same time estimate salaries.
        1. maktub
          maktub 8 October 2020 17: 59 New
          -2
          Read the second part of my post above carefully
      3. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 8 October 2020 22: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: maktub
        You didn’t live well with independence, as far as I remember there were some of the highest salaries in Donbass?

        they are now the largest in the country in the Donetsk region-12445, more than the Kiev-11795
        Donetsk region-Leader in average salary in the country.
        True, this is the part that is under control.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 8 October 2020 17: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: maktub
    Putin said that Donbass is tse Ukraine, why should you turn off your water

    Only now people living in Donbass are not recognized as citizens of Ukraine. So they are treated like enemies. the water is turned off.
    1. maktub
      maktub 8 October 2020 17: 55 New
      -1
      Is the water turned off?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 October 2020 16: 19 New
    -2
    When, first of all, they themselves begin to move
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2020 16: 24 New
    +2
    Yes, there will be no second Crimea. And there is no need to wait for recognition. Already 6 years have passed. Perhaps they will recognize if Ukraine is accepted into NATO.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 8 October 2020 17: 49 New
      -6
      Danylko! The process goes on without recognition. Ukraine will be part of Russia, no options. All. So you are right, there will be no recognition. You don't need it. Start eating a homo certificate, pardon the right sek. Moscow may not be so smart, but no matter how smart Kiev is, it has no right to choose since there is no independence. And the interests of Ukrainians and the interests of Washington are different things ...
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 8 October 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    You write about water here, and an article about it, and I would like to know the answer from the question from the article "When will the LDNR be like Crimea?" soldier
    When will Putin finally make a political decision on the entry of the Lao PDR into Russia ?! am My relatives are scattered throughout almost all the republics of the former USSR ... so vooot ... when sometimes we gather for a solemn occasion (not as often as we would like) at the same table, after the "official part", relatives from the Lao PDR "as usual" start .... nuuuu ... not like "dogging" ... let's call it soooo ... "measure pussies" with relatives from Crimea ... on the topic ... why the same relatives (in the literal sense !!!) people ... some have already begun to "live like humans" ... while others are already ceasing to dream of "living like humans" ... crying

    From the "formal point of view of the law" - that Crimea, that Lao PDR - in 2014 were equally OUTSIDE the law of Ukraine ... why did we annex Crimea, and Lao PDR - no ?! am
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 October 2020 16: 41 New
    +2
    Never.
    All these fried topics, never and nothing ...
    definitely.

    They will plunder everything and everyone and everywhere.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 8 October 2020 16: 49 New
    +6
    Not being, to put it mildly, a fan of the views of Gr Strelkov, at the sight of such a chutzpah (super insolence), he is forced to defend him.
    The beginning of the "current situation" was laid in May 2014 by Mr Putin, who recognized the Maidan authorities of Ukraine. After which it became clear that the LPR will never be the same as in the Crimea.
    And it ended with the sacred Minsk agreements that closed the issue and liquidated the LPNR. Let me remind you that since then there is only ORDLO.
    The shooters retreated so as not to fall into the cauldron. Without the direct intervention of the Russian Federation, this was an absolutely correct decision. If only his parts remained there and perished.
    As for water, it is strange to make claims to the leaders of ORDLO. They are people completely dependent on Moscow, and they do not have the resources to solve the problem. From the point of view of the Russian authorities, the absence of any action is also understandable. Why do anything when this territory is still recognized by Ukraine and we are talking about the conditions for its transfer?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 October 2020 17: 04 New
    +8
    Quote: nnm
    and peace will come at once, and the economy will recover.

    I live in a region called "the Russian Donbass" These are the regions of the Rostov region adjacent to the LPR .. We seem to be part of Russia, but after stopping ALL mines (unprofitable, explained) the economy has not been restored for 20 years. The same is the ruins of mines, cities are dying out. We live like on another planet. request request request hi
    1. for
      for 8 October 2020 18: 18 New
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      When will the LDNR be like Crimea?

      As the Crimea becomes strategically important, they will hardly become such, if only the coal mines are rocket mines.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 October 2020 18: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: Corona without virus
    ... why did we annex Crimea, but the Lao PDR - no ?!

    Because Crimea is a strategic area, it has a naval base and a seaside resort. And Russia has enough of its own Donbass. An extremely depressed area - Shakhty, Zverevo, Krasnoyarsk Sulin, Novoshakhtinsk, Gukovo, etc., with a population of 500 thousand - they do not know what to do with us. Besides the destroyed mines, there is NOTHING more. wassat hi
  • parusnik
    parusnik 8 October 2020 18: 37 New
    +2
    An interesting question: in 2014 or in the 15th, a referendum was held in Donbass, Russia reacted with understanding, but the Crimean referendum was recognized and Crimea became part of Russia, and in Donbass, yes and no, but no more ... And still Donbass is in the same position, it will remain so ...
  • German Titov
    German Titov 8 October 2020 20: 20 New
    +1
    If "egorki" did not exist, it would have been invented.
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 8 October 2020 22: 21 New
    +5
    I wonder why ...
    gray zone (even the Russian Federation recognizes it as the territory of Ukraine)
    used to distract from Crimea and to aggravate the situation in Ukraine.
    Vaughn PMR is much older and nothing .. Lives. The truth is worse.
  • Bat039
    Bat039 10 October 2020 09: 55 New
    -1
    When Putin and company stop playing with foreigners sick of Russophobia into tolerance, they have already started playing, then it will be ... or after another party came to power in Russia