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It is assumed that Azerbaijan became the first country to use the Israeli OTRK LORA in hostilities

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Shot with the final stage of the rocket trajectory



One of the episodes of the armed conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia is being actively discussed. This episode concerns the attack by Azerbaijani troops on the bridge over the Akar River, which actually connected Armenia with Nagorno-Karabakh. Earlier it was announced that the Azerbaijani side used some high-precision weapons.

The storyboard of the video that appeared on the network gave the experts a reason to come out with the version that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces decided to use an operational-tactical missile system. We are talking about short-range OTRK "LORA" (LORA). And the bridge is supposed to have been attacked by a missile of this complex, which Azerbaijan acquired at one time from the Israeli company IAI.

The Israeli LORA missiles are primarily intended for the destruction of infrastructure facilities. The bridge is one of such objects, and it is of great importance for communications between the territory of Armenia and the unrecognized republic of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Attention was also paid to the use of a ballistic missile by Azerbaijan in the west. Thus, the Western observer Joseph Trevithick notes that if the version of the use of "Laura" is confirmed, then this will be the first combat use of this operational-tactical missile system.

According to data from open sources, Azerbaijan has an arsenal of about fifty missiles for OTRK of Israeli production.
Western experts note that Azerbaijan also has the Tochka-U system, but the use of the Israeli OTRK in this case is explained by the fact that its missiles are more accurate. The average deviation of the LORA missile from the target is no more than 10 m. The ability to use a high-explosive fragmentation warhead can effectively destroy targets such as a bridge.

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  1. K-50
    K-50 3 October 2020 07: 27 New
    17
    In response, Yerevan will use Iskander or whatever else they have. And again there will be many corpses. During the Soviet era, they lived there together for a long time and peacefully. Now, because of the ambitions of politicians, they are killing each other, like many hundreds of years before the USSR.
    1. Graz
      Graz 3 October 2020 07: 33 New
      0
      I'm not sure that Yerevan has full control over Iskander
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 3 October 2020 08: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Graz
        I'm not sure that Yerevan has full control over Iskander

        Why not ? Export option for that and export ...
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 3 October 2020 07: 44 New
      11
      Quote: K-50
      they lived there together for a long time and peacefully

      They never lived very peacefully. Tolerable, yes. But even at the household level, there was always friction. I remember how even in a good time of peace, an Azerbaijani friend said about one particular Armenian: - He is a good person, but a little bit Armenian!
    3. Fungus
      Fungus 3 October 2020 07: 58 New
      +5
      They missed. They did not hit the bridge.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 11 New
        +2

        Fungus (Vitiek)
        Today, 07: 58
        NEW

        +2
        They missed. They did not hit the bridge.
        Well, after all, this is a Jewish invention, "the most accurate" laughing
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 3 October 2020 09: 09 New
          +2
          They missed. They did not hit the bridge.
          Well, this is a Jewish invention, "the most accurate" laughing
          Well, they are already there! laughing
      2. Errr
        Errr 3 October 2020 08: 43 New
        +4
        Only the missile in the video in the article did not hit. There were several blows, as a result of which the bridge, however, was partially destroyed. For more details, follow the link below.
        https://life.ru/p/1348090
    4. 210ox
      210ox 3 October 2020 08: 05 New
      +9
      In the days of the USSR, at the slightest boil, they would have pushed bream. Both. Now there is simply no one.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 3 October 2020 08: 29 New
        +9
        Now these are separate states.
        1. Jager
          Jager 4 October 2020 14: 09 New
          +1
          They are as independent as their "big brothers" allow.
      2. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 3 October 2020 09: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        In the days of the USSR, at the slightest boil, they would have pushed bream. Both. Now there is simply no one.

        Yes, in the days of the USSR they lived as one family. Now everyone has "as much sovereignty as they could swallow." (from)
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 3 October 2020 09: 51 New
        +6
        Now they themselves pop the bream. Moreover, they prefer to use imported ones.
      4. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 4 October 2020 23: 31 New
        0
        And what about the events in Sumgait and the war in Karabakh not during the Soviet era? And name those bream? Are you from the Kuban? In the late 80s, didn't you have a mass migration of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR?
    5. sergey32
      sergey32 3 October 2020 08: 16 New
      13
      I have always considered Aliyev an intelligent politician, but the fact that he dragged the barmaley from Idlib made me doubt this. Ameri and French confirm the transfer. Russia now has the legal right to smack international terrorists in Azerbaijan with Iskander or caliber.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 08: 26 New
        -10 qualifying.
        "but the fact that he dragged the barmaley from Idlib," Complete fake. There is no need, no need. Now, after partial mobilization, 380 thousand people are already under arms. The army is very well prepared, in all respects, what the hell are mercenaries needed? Aliyev is a strong politician And he will never expose himself with such cheap deals. Maybe others would like to have dragged the barmaley in order to accuse and have a reason, but in front of them is not a pashik, but a politician.
        1. Train
          Train 3 October 2020 09: 05 New
          +1
          Nobody will ask if they need barmaley there. Will bring you ready
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2020 09: 07 New
            -16 qualifying.
            Quote: Zug
            Nobody will ask if they need barmaley there. Will bring you ready

            and where did the barmaley come from? Has Shoigu already destroyed them five times?
            1. Train
              Train 3 October 2020 09: 08 New
              -12 qualifying.
              Well, yes, excuse me, he reports that only a cemetery is left of them ... Shoigu himself probably buried them)))) - personally.
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 October 2020 09: 11 New
                -23 qualifying.
                Quote: Zug
                Well, yes, excuse me, he reports that only a cemetery is left of them ... Shoigu himself probably buried them)))) - personally.

                nevertheless. request
                1. Train
                  Train 3 October 2020 09: 12 New
                  -21 qualifying.
                  Well, let it crack, it's not tossing sacks. To fight the barmaley is like fighting a windmill - this is the genius of the barmaley
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 18 New
              20
              Shoigu spoke only about the ISIS. He never said that there were no other bandits besides ISIS. You like oo selectively read.
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 October 2020 09: 22 New
                -22 qualifying.
                Quote: 1976AG
                Shoigu spoke only about ISIS... He never said that there are no other bandits besides ISIS

                Aaaa !!!
                well, tady - oh.
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 27 New
                  14
                  Tady must be read carefully, otherwise when they say that there are many different warring groups in Syria, you for some reason do not hear, and then oykayte.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 3 October 2020 09: 29 New
                    -20 qualifying.
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Tady must be read carefully, otherwise when they say that there are many different warring groups in Syria, you for some reason do not hear, and then oykayte.

                    Why oikkat then
                    You probably are not quite aware of what is happening in Syria.
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 30 New
                      12
                      So this is why you ooze. Are you broadcasting from Syria now?
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 3 October 2020 09: 32 New
                        -17 qualifying.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        So this is why you ooze. Are you broadcasting from Syria now?

                        Of course not . from home.
                        Only from me to Syria - 70 km, and from you?
                      2. 1976AG
                        1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 37 New
                        15
                        Do you see with your vision at 70 km?
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 3 October 2020 09: 39 New
                        -20 qualifying.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Do you see with your vision at 70 km?

                        Answer my question, how much is it from you to Syria? And then let's talk about vision.
                      4. 1976AG
                        1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 44 New
                        12
                        Far away from me, but I never said that I was in Syria
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 3 October 2020 09: 51 New
                        -20 qualifying.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Far away from me

                        How many ?
                      6. 1976AG
                        1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 53 New
                        +9
                        What does it matter to you? Can you give you a home address?
                      7. atalef
                        atalef 3 October 2020 10: 23 New
                        -14 qualifying.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        What does it matter to you? Can you give you a home address?

                        Big difference . Have you ever seen Syria? With your own eyes?
                      8. 1976AG
                        1976AG 3 October 2020 10: 43 New
                        +8
                        Quote: atalef
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        What does it matter to you? Can you give you a home address?

                        Big difference . Have you ever seen Syria? With your own eyes?

                        Everything's clear with you. We moved from facts to emotions.
                      9. atalef
                        atalef 3 October 2020 10: 48 New
                        -16 qualifying.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Everything's clear with you. We moved from facts to emotions.

                        the fact is. that you do not understand and do not know about Syria at all.
                      10. 1976AG
                        1976AG 3 October 2020 11: 02 New
                        11
                        Based on what facts did you make this conclusion? Based on distance to Syria? Cool...
                      11. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 4 October 2020 23: 34 New
                        0
                        Why not. We know the Syrian Golan. When will you return it?
      2. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 3 October 2020 10: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        Of course not . from home.
        Only from me to Syria - 70 km, and from you?

        Well! Who is looking for Barmaleev here?
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 3 October 2020 11: 07 New
        18
        Quote: atalef
        Only from me to Syria - 70 km

        Quote: atalef
        Have you ever seen Syria? With your own eyes?

        For 70 km you will definitely not see it, so you have been to Syria, you saw it with your own eyes. Judging by the spelling of the spelling, you can hardly be called a Turk, Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Jordanian.
        If they were a resident of the "promised country", they would hardly fit in with Erdogan and the Barmaleevs.
        So write - a labor migrant to Turkey (or another Muslim border country), in Syria was a Zrobitian / "I will do what they order" /, I look into Erdogan's mouth - otherwise they will catch up from the window which is 70 km from the border.
      4. atalef
        atalef 3 October 2020 11: 14 New
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: Serg Koma
        For 70 km you will definitely not see, it means you've been to Syria, seen firsthand

        The last time was not so long ago, about five days ago.
        Quote: Serg Koma
        If they were a resident of the "promised country", they would hardly fit in with Erdogan and the Barmaleevs.

        and where did they decide. that I fit in for them?

        Quote: Serg Koma
        So write - Labor migrant to Turkey (or other border Muslim country)

        belay
        Don't give a shit to yourself?
        Quote: Serg Koma
        I look into Erdogan's mouth - otherwise catch up from the window which is 70 km from the border.

        find the window laughing
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 3 October 2020 11: 26 New
        11
        Quote: atalef
        find the window


        Beirut Choli? laughing

        "- And from our window
        Red Square is visible!
        And from your window
        Just a little street. " good
      6. atalef
        atalef 3 October 2020 11: 37 New
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: Serg Koma
        Beirut Choli?

        Beirut?
        Quote: Serg Koma
        A labor migrant to Turkey (or another Muslim border country), in Syria he was a Zrobitian / "I will do what they order" /, I look into Erdogan's mouth - otherwise they will catch up from the window which is 70 km from the border

        victim of the exam?
      7. 1976AG
        1976AG 3 October 2020 11: 38 New
        +5
        There is another version of the nursery rhyme ...
        "And from your window
        See Kolyma a little bit ... "
        (the window overlooks the Lubyanka)
  • Evil543
    Evil543 3 October 2020 10: 24 New
    +3
    Didn't you say so about Turkomans?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 45 New
      -4
      Above, Today, 10:44
      "Komsomolskaya Pravda": Syrian militants from "Nubar Ozanyan" are fighting on the side of Armenia
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 3 October 2020 11: 25 New
    12
    Quote: atalef
    and where did the barmaley come from? Has Shoigu already destroyed them five times?

    The Mossad has nurtured new ones.
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 3 October 2020 19: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    and where did the barmaley come from? Has Shoigu already destroyed them five times?

    If you count how many times Obama and Trump killed all the barmaley, then all 10 will turn out.
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 16 New
    10
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    "but the fact that he dragged the barmaley from Idlib," Complete fake. There is no need, no need. Now, after partial mobilization, 380 thousand people are already under arms. The army is very well prepared, in all respects, what the hell are mercenaries needed? Aliyev is a strong politician And he will never expose himself with such cheap deals. Maybe others would like to have dragged the barmaley in order to accuse and have a reason, but in front of them is not a pashik, but a politician.

    What do you mean well prepared? Do they have combat experience? Barmaley have it.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 19 New
      -20 qualifying.
      You think very backward, like an Armenian OCA
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 October 2020 11: 55 New
    +8
    There is confirmation. BBC correspondent spoke with
    Syrian mercenaries in Azerbaijan. They told
    that they are unemployed from Idlib. They were promised that they would
    protect objects, not fight. For $ 1500 a month.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 3 October 2020 12: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: voyaka uh
      BBC correspondent spoke with
      Syrian mercenaries in Azerbaijan. They told
      that they are unemployed from Idlib. They were promised that they would
      protect objects, not fight. For $ 1500 a month.

      This is exactly the case when the girls are offered to work abroad as service personnel. But they do not specify who, and in which brothel ...
      good
    2. iouris
      iouris 3 October 2020 14: 33 New
      -3
      Those. The Air Force confirms that Aliyev supports the terrible terrorists banned in the Russian Federation. What follows from this?
    3. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 4 October 2020 14: 37 New
      -1
      Brilliant ...)) gave the mercenary an interview with the BBC))
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 3 October 2020 09: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey32
    The Americans and the French confirm the transfer. Russia now has the legal right to smack international terrorists in Azerbaijan with Iskander or caliber.

    Putin, Trump and Macron condemned the escalation in the region, called for an immediate ceasefire and for the resumption of negotiations without preconditions. There will be no strikes by Iskander or Caliber.
    Those who organized the hostilities hoped that Russia, as a member of the CSTO, would be forced to intervene on the side of Armenia, so as not to lose its image. On the other hand, Turkey will fit in with fraternal Azerbaijan. The ultimate goal is the same as in the story of the downed SU-24 and the assassination of Ambassador Karlov - to confront Russia with Turkey.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 44 New
    -11 qualifying.
    "Komsomolskaya Pravda": Syrian militants from "Nubar Ozanyan" are fighting on the side of Armenia
    "Authoritative experts" continue to talk about Syrian mercenaries arriving in Karabakh from Azerbaijan, Komsomolskaya Pravda writes.

    As proof, we are shown "photo-video from social networks." Moreover, there are other evidences, which for some reason are not so readily replicated, that militants of the Syrian Nubar Ozanyan group from the “Kurdish self-defense units”, an organization recognized as terrorist in some countries, are operating from the western line of the Karabakh front. Which, in its own way, is even logical: one unrecognized entity (Kurds) helps another - "NKR".

    Moreover, for every "evidence of the presence of foreign mercenaries in Azerbaijan" one can find no less powerful statements by some "veterans of local wars" who gather near Khankendi, the newspaper writes.

    Also, "experts from social networks," the publication continues, call the Russian Foreign Ministry as a witness, which, indeed, expressed concern about the transfer of militants from other countries to the conflict area.

    “The problem is that the Foreign Ministry did not say WHERE these militants are being transferred. Whereas, for example, the head of the department for resettlement affairs of the Kashatagh region of the "NKR" Robert Matevosyan said that a group of hundreds of armed volunteers, including ... immigrants from Syria, had moved to the front from this region, "the newspaper notes.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 October 2020 11: 41 New
      +2
      Are the Armenians fighting the Azerbaijanis?
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 3 October 2020 19: 23 New
    -3
    There is no evidence that some barmaley are fighting there, and all these rumors of pro-Armenian circles are “talk for the poor,” as they say. And the fact that the Armenians dragged a whole battalion (and this is only what is known) of the Kurds is this type of normal? Semyon Bagdasarov yelled about the Kurdish battalion yesterday in Solovyov's transfer, he also added that they already had tangible losses. S. Baghdasarov himself is from Nagorno-Karabakh, from Hadrut.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 3 October 2020 22: 25 New
    -2
    And what is nonsense then? Surely they have detachments from the locals behind their backs.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 3 October 2020 13: 09 New
    -6
    The first prisoners.
    1. Grits
      Grits 3 October 2020 13: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The first prisoners.

      A little jarring from the signature "occupiers". It seems that legally everything is logical - since the times of the USSR, the territory belonged to Azerbaijan. But 30 years have passed and a lot of people were born on this land, who consider this land their homeland. And they defend their homeland from the alien former owners of the land. And now they are called occupiers
      1. atalef
        atalef 3 October 2020 13: 56 New
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: Gritsa
        But 30 years have passed and a lot of people were born on this land, who consider this land their homeland. And they defend their homeland from the alien former owners of the land. And now they are called occupiers

        interesting, but what about the Crimea in this case? wink
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 3 October 2020 16: 20 New
          +8
          For you - in no way - you don't live there ... lol
        2. boriz
          boriz 3 October 2020 18: 23 New
          +7
          And Crimea was conquered by Russia and Karabakh was conquered by Russia.
          Something like this.
        3. Soho
          Soho 3 October 2020 18: 59 New
          +5
          but what about the Crimea in this case?

          What do you care, Turkish guest worker? Or are you going to tell us on the ears now that you see the Crimea through the window?
        4. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 3 October 2020 21: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          I wonder what about Crimea in this case?

          There is no dilemma with Crimea, but a fact with Crimea. The Republic of Crimea is a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, which is part of the Crimean Federal District.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 3 October 2020 22: 32 New
            -5
            And "Sberbank" and VTB work there? MTS and Megafon the same?
            de facto Crimea Russian de jure Ukrainian ...
            1. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 3 October 2020 23: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Vadim_888
              And "Sberbank" and VTB work there? MTS and Megafon the same?
              de facto Crimea Russian de jure Ukrainian ...

              Certain temporary difficulties do not cancel the main thing - de facto.
              I just noted - "with Crimea, the fact. The Republic of Crimea is a subject of the Russian Federation."
              And the current government in Crimea is Russian. And the one that is de jure in Ukraine is as virtual as Guaido in Venezuela and Tihanovskaya in Belarus. hi
        5. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 4 October 2020 23: 37 New
          +3
          How about the Golan? Also a dilemma? You repatriates Crimea is like a bone in the throat. Himself from St. Petersburg, and for Banderlog the fifth point you wrinkle. Look, don't rip it off.
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 5 October 2020 05: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Okolotochny
            How about the Golan? Also a dilemma? You repatriates Crimea is like a bone in the throat.

            They have their old views of the Crimea. We dreamed of the Jewish Republic of Crimea. Putin ruined this dream for them.
            Therefore, "for Banderlog fifth point wrinkle."
    2. kiborg
      kiborg 4 October 2020 12: 50 New
      0
      Well, what kind of invaders are they? Armenians have been living there for a long time.
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  • Inspector
    Inspector 4 October 2020 21: 07 New
    -1
    What have politicians' ambitions to do with it? read a lot of propaganda. There is a territorial dispute. Any politician is his hostage.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 October 2020 07: 29 New
    +4
    Long-range systems were used. It will be hard for the defenders of Nagorno-Karabakh .. It's time for the international community to intervene ...
  • jovanni
    jovanni 3 October 2020 07: 34 New
    +4
    And what about the "Niva", most likely peaceful people were driving there? ...
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 3 October 2020 07: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: Jovanni
      And what about the "Niva", most likely peaceful people were driving there? ...

      Did not have time to reach the impact. Lucky.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 October 2020 07: 53 New
    11
    Something stalled the offensive of the Azerbaijanis. They went over to the terror of the interior regions, and the civilian population is being hit. I think precision weapons are running out with such heavy use. But there is no turning point. Naturally, we do not see exact data on the operational situation, but the feeling is ... The battles are moving into some kind of "positional" phase. Exhaustion. IMHO.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 3 October 2020 08: 05 New
      +6
      Even the United States, with all its possibilities, sometimes produced the number of cruise missiles in local conflicts to a critically myrinal level, but did not get the desired result.
      And the war of attrition is fraught with the transition of the patriotic phase, in Azerbaijani society, to the phase of the color revolution.
      Global partners work tirelessly.
      Looking for a weak link.
      And Azerbaijan may unexpectedly turn out to be such a weak link.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 3 October 2020 08: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Livonetc
        Looking for a weak link.
        And Azerbaijan may unexpectedly turn out to be such a weak link

        Yes, the failure of the offensive on Karabakh, and even with heavy losses, may not be forgiven for Aliyev. By the way, like Pashinyan of the defeat of the Karabakh party. The multi-vector approach does little to help in defense.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 3 October 2020 08: 17 New
          +4
          Pashinyan looks like a "partner" agent designed to weaken the influence in the region of both Russia and Turkey.
          If so, then he fulfills his task excellently.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 3 October 2020 16: 27 New
            +1
            This is understandable, but only after all, Pashinyan risks very unchildly, playing the role of a detonator for the destruction of Russian-Azerbaijani relations, which will definitely not improve as a result of Russia starting to help Armenia, although under the Treaty Russia is not obliged to provide assistance on foreign territory and Karabakh has no Armenian status.
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 08: 29 New
      -14 qualifying.
      "But there is no fracture" Only 6 days, and there is a fracture, even from the first day. Today and tomorrow, check the news.
      1. atalef
        atalef 3 October 2020 08: 45 New
        -6
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        "But there is no fracture" Only 6 days, and there is a fracture, even from the first day. Today and tomorrow, check the news.

        Well, Karabakh and the adjacent territories, in general, are not small at all. Moreover, over the course of 30 years they have been strengthening all the time. But the fact that the Azerbaijani army is superior in quality is not visible with an armed eye.
      2. Train
        Train 3 October 2020 09: 06 New
        -5
        Well, start convincing me, I'm impatient
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 22 New
          -12 qualifying.
          I will not convince you, but the results of the hostilities will convince.We endured occupation for 30 years, and you are not able to endure several days?
          1. Train
            Train 3 October 2020 09: 24 New
            +3
            Why endure for 30 years? Were Erogan Eroganich waiting? They endured something like that alarmingly for a long time. Do not think anything like that, I am not on the side of the Armenians. If the land was not theirs, it was necessary to give it back a long time ago. And you should have taken it a long time ago.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 49 New
              -7
              We were negotiating, hoping for reason, at the same time We were building an army (the Russian Federation also helped) equipped, trained competent officers, and waited for a fool in the form of a pashik. We are ready, the pashik has come, you know?
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 October 2020 09: 56 New
                -9
                Quote: Oquzyurd
                Negotiated, hoped for reason,

                What did you suggest during the negotiations?
                Quote: Oquzyurd
                We are ready,pashik cameDo you understand?

                You have chosen it.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 03 New
                  -3
                  The highest Autonomy in Karabakh was offered to them.
                  We did not choose Pashik, the Armenians chose on their own head, and he ruined the negotiations (although more an imitation of negotiations), giving scanty chances that we can do without war.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 3 October 2020 10: 07 New
                    -13 qualifying.
                    Quote: Oquzyurd
                    The highest Autonomy in Karabakh was offered to them.

                    to whom. them ?
                    Quote: Oquzyurd
                    We did not choose Pashik

                    elected
                    Quote: Oquzyurd
                    he ruined the negotiations (albeit more an imitation of negotiations), giving the scanty chances that a war can be dispensed with.

                    come on, what did you suggest to do without war 7 to return territories to Azerbaijan?
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 18 New
                      -3
                      "to whom. them?" the population of Karabakh.
                      "elected" This is the head of Armenia. What I don't know?)
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 3 October 2020 10: 22 New
                        -9
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        "to whom. them?" the population of Karabakh.

                        What are we arguing about?
                        My position is that Armenia should return the territories to Azerbaijan. the settlement of the population living there will be decided through dialogue.
                        Are you against
                      2. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 29 New
                        -7
                        "What are we arguing about?" )))
                        “My position is that Armenia must return the territory to Azerbaijan. The settlement of the population living there will be resolved through dialogue.
                        Are you against? "No, not against, on the contrary, I completely agree with you.
                      3. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 35 New
                        -5
                        There are different politicians, here is Pashinyan, and for example Ter-Petrosyan. Now I remembered his words, so as not to be mistaken, I found this text with the following phrase,
                        Levon Ter-Petrosyan: Let them not try to mislead the people by saying that a compromise has an alternative: the alternative to a compromise is war. Refusal of compromise and maximalism (striving to achieve the maximum, not the possible) is the shortest path to the complete destruction of Karabakh and the deterioration of the situation in Armenia.
            2. Grits
              Grits 3 October 2020 13: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: Oquzyurd
              We are ready, the pashik has come, do you understand?

              Even when everyone in Yerevan happily jumped like on the Maidan for Pashinyan (except that they didn't put saucepans on their heads), even on this site they said - well, that's it - Armenia is crazy. They convinced the stubborn Armenians that Azerbaijan was just waiting for a chance when the Armenians in Russia would quarrel. Here is the result - they got what they deserved for their betrayal.
              I don’t know how this war will end, but it’s a fact that much more Armenian equipment was killed.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 3 October 2020 17: 49 New
                +3
                This is not the highest price to pay for betrayal ...
                The highest will be when the Armenian people, deceived by American cookies, will flood the Karabakh land with blood, and then, waking up from the liberal hassle, will begin to judge their prime minister and peacefully assign him a "tower" as a punishment - at best, Pashinyan wanders around the world, like Saakashvili and have no home or homeland anywhere.
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          I will not convince you, but the results of the hostilities will convince.We endured occupation for 30 years, and you are not able to endure several days?

          How many years do Armenians live in Karabaz? What year was it occupied?
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 11 New
            -7
            90% of Armenians (ancestors of the present) settled in Karabakh (from Iran, under Griboyedov, the Russian ambassador to Iran) after 1828, after the Turkmenchay treaty. But these are already local people who have turned into separatists since 1988. But there is Armenia, which is going to war to us in 1992-94, then they occupied Nagorno-Karabakh and 7 adjacent districts, not part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region.
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 47 New
      +3
      What is the break? Has Karabakh been liberated?
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 10: 12 New
        -5
        Let us free, do not hesitate, endure a few days.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 October 2020 10: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Let us free, do not hesitate, endure a few days.

          Yes, I have something to endure, I like it equally. Just what numbers of losses of the Armenian army are announced, it is not clear with whom you are still fighting there.
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2020 10: 33 New
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: 1976AG
            Just what numbers of losses of the Armenian army are announced, it is not clear with whom you are still fighting there.

            well, with the figures announced by Armenia - in general belay
            Starting from September 27, according to the data published by "Tert", the Artsakh Armed Forces shot down 14 enemy helicopters, 11 aircraft (4 of them Su-25), 103 unmanned aerial vehicles, destroyed 184 armored vehicles, mainly tanks, 82 vehicles, 10 armored personnel carriers , one heavy flame-throwing system "TOS-1A", 2 multiple launch rocket systems of the "Smerch" and 1 "Uragan" types.


            According to "Tert", from the Azerbaijani side more than 1280 people were killed and more than 2700 injured. On the Armenian side, according to preliminary data, 158 dead and more than 200 wounded.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 3 October 2020 10: 39 New
              +3
              So you will remember what the Azerbaijani side said about the losses of Armenia. There, as if not on the second day of fighting, there is already a whole regiment! destroyed, but today it seems already about three! it comes. And the losses in tanks as in the Kursk Bulge! I understand, of course, information warfare and all that, but people are not stupid, they understand something ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 October 2020 10: 51 New
                -8
                Quote: 1976AG
                Of course, I understand, information war and all that, but people are not stupid, they understand something.

                someone understands, someone does not.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 3 October 2020 07: 57 New
    12
    And all the bloodshed for the sake of settling the territory instead of Armenians by foreign psychopaths and sadists from Turkomans.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 08: 39 New
      -4
      750 thousand refugees from Karabakh and the adjacent 7 regions are waiting to return to their land, to their yards (not their homes, since the separatists "designers" have leveled them to the ground over these 27 years)
      "sadists from Turkomans." Shameless, unsubstantiated, hateful fake against Azerbaijan. Have a conscience if you are a human being. What do you think, 750 thousand Azerbaijani refugees from Karabakh, who are they in front of your eyes, how do you assess the situation of these people ???
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 3 October 2020 11: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        sadists from Turkomans. "Shameless, unsubstantiated, hateful fake against Azerbaijan. Have a conscience if you are human.

        I don't go into advisers. I know what it's like to leave your home. And how it turns out. And it works like I wrote. Erdogan wants to settle Turkomans there (IMHO). Obviously not very close culturally to you personally.
    2. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 08: 46 New
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Humpty
      And all the bloodshed for the sake of settling the territory instead of Armenians by foreign psychopaths and sadists from Turkomans.

      Well, in general, this is the territory of Azerbaijan, occupied by Armenia.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 3 October 2020 11: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Well, in general, this is the territory of Azerbaijan, occupied by Armenia.
        Reply

        Everything is relative. It depends. Therefore, the war.
  • Artura
    Artura 3 October 2020 07: 58 New
    +3
    The bridge is not destroyed, enough bullshit to drive already.
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 08: 43 New
      -5
      Quote: Artura
      The bridge is not destroyed, enough bullshit to drive already.

  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 21 New
    +5
    The average deviation of the LORA missile from the target is no more than 10 m.
    And who compared it with Point-U? And what does it mean
    Azerbaijan also has the Tochka-U system, but the use of the Israeli OTRK in this case is explained by the fact that its missiles are more accurate
    What parameters were considered in this case? Distance, terrain, weather, and further down the list. SKILL in the end!
  • mark2
    mark2 3 October 2020 08: 27 New
    -1
    It is assumed that Azerbaijan became the first country to use the Israeli OTRK LORA in hostilities

    Such news, yes on Shabbat. All Israel at 7.40 is jubilant, apparently? Well, did VO give us the opportunity to rejoice with the Jewish people?
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 08: 42 New
      -5
      Quote: mark2
      It is assumed that Azerbaijan became the first country to use the Israeli OTRK LORA in hostilities

      Such news, yes on Shabbat. All Israel at 7.40 is jubilant, apparently? Well, did VO give us the opportunity to rejoice with the Jewish people?

      well, that's just still rejoicing.
      \ on the drum in general.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 09: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        \ on the drum in general.

        This is for those who didn't understand the size of this drum

        And all the rest, with the Sukot holiday!
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 09: 20 New
          -3
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          And all the rest, with the Sukot holiday!

          Israel banned visiting other people's bitches

          laughing - translation difficulties.
          Happy Sukkot, everyone.
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 3 October 2020 09: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: mark2
      It is assumed that Azerbaijan became the first country to use the Israeli OTRK LORA in hostilities

      Such news, yes on Shabbat. All Israel at 7.40 is jubilant, apparently? Well, did VO give us the opportunity to rejoice with the Jewish people?

      Azerbaijan made a sacred sacrifice - a bridge in honor of the World Day of Sobriety and the Fight against Alcoholism. hi
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 October 2020 09: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: mark2
      It is assumed that Azerbaijan became the first country to use the Israeli OTRK LORA in hostilities

      Such news, yes on Shabbat. All Israel at 7.40 is jubilant, apparently? Well, did VO give us the opportunity to rejoice with the Jewish people?

      The base joys of the Zionists are fueled by video news of revanchists from Azerbaijan.
      On the streets of the so-called. “ISRAEL” Jews dressed in Janissary uniforms laugh ominously, patting their thighs. Laura. Laura - a crowd of bloodthirsty supporters of Pan-Turkism is chanting in the central synagogue of Tel Aviv, dancing to the nationalist song Gop-stop Zoya ...
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 3 October 2020 08: 31 New
    +1
    In fact, they were used by the Jews themselves in Syria, a few shot down the "Pantsir"
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 09: 39 New
      -4
      Quote: Hermit21
      In fact, they were used by the Jews themselves in Syria, a few shot down the "Pantsir"

      1 It remains only to prove.
      2 Look closely at the photo

      This is the position in which not a single air defense / missile defense system knocks down today.
      This is what all hypersonic missiles use. at the last stage, this allows them to develop maximum speed
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 3 October 2020 08: 39 New
    0
    It's high time for Armenia to strike at the gas or oil industry of Azerbaijan.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 October 2020 10: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: 501Legion
      It's high time for Armenia to strike at the gas or oil industry of Azerbaijan.

      It is not necessary to engage in state terrorism. If there is a war, it means striking military targets.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 3 October 2020 09: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: 501Legion
    It's high time for Armenia to strike at the gas or oil industry of Azerbaijan.

    Through the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline? lol
  • Shahno
    Shahno 3 October 2020 12: 45 New
    -1
    The comparison between Laura and Tochka didn't work out, well, okay.
    Then I'll tell you a story ...
    "On a warm August evening on 19 ... it's scary to say. In 90, the Jewish community in Minsk met at the Railwaymen's House of Culture with a representative of the Jewish Agency who arrived from Israel. A very representative representative in quite good Russian, slightly stretching his words, reported on the fantastic successes of Israel for the elapsed period, boasted high milk yields and yields, remembered with a kind word Israeli medicine, aviation and education and showed a filmstrip with tanks, boats and courageous white-toothed soldiers in slightly crumpled, but very cozy and familiar uniforms, with swarthy beauties on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, with praying at the Western Wall by the orthodox ("Faces like those of the patriarchs," someone groaned in the hall), views of the golden Jerusalem, green Galilee, blue Kinneret and the Red Sea. He ended his speech with the call: "בשנה הבאה בירושלים! *" in translation means "It is necessary to go!"
    Then questions from the audience rained down


    - Tell me, please, do they wear nylon stockings in Israel ?, - the public was interested with the badge "Excellence in Education of the BSSR" on a powerful chest


    - Tell me, is it worth bringing laundry soap or will they give us out on the spot?


    - Do we have the right to visit our relatives in Ramat Gan or will they immediately send us to the desert?


    - I am a specialist in construction in permafrost conditions. Do you think I will find a job in Israel?


    - I am a mechanical engineer by education, but I have not worked in my specialty for a long time. Do you think I need to indicate my last position in my autobiography - "Socialist Competition Engineer of the Greening Trust"?


    - Tell me, is there a military department at Tel Aviv University? ...

    Then a solid gray-haired man in a suit and tie raised his hand:


    - I am a doctor of technical sciences, - the man began gravely, - Associate Professor of the Department of Electronics of the Belarusian Polytechnic Institute, more than 30 years engaged in semiconductors. I would like to know what are my prospects for finding a job in my specialty in Israel.


    The representative of the Jewish Agency smiled broadly, withstood a long theatrical pause, looked expressively into the hall, as if inviting everyone present to be surprised at the naivety of the question and, raising his hands to the sky, exclaimed: “And you are still asking ?! Don't you know that Israel is THE GREAT SEMICONDUCTOR POWER! "

    This month marks 30 years since I have lived in this great semiconductor power. "
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 October 2020 13: 22 New
      +4
      Excuse me, what are you talking about ???
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 3 October 2020 19: 30 New
        0
        To what. Yes, I realized that very few people care about comparing the performance characteristics of real competitors ...
        And what worries? Who is our great semiconductor power. Or a great gas power ..
        That's the story. That words can solve a lot of things (or who can be convinced). Just a story who misunderstood drinks
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 October 2020 13: 30 New
      0
      Sometimes I was too lazy to shave. With the growth of orders and the increase in the number of employees, this began to happen more and more often. Over time, I could not shave for weeks. And when my acquaintances approached me, interested in the reason for such a radical change in the image, I answered - mourning.
      - Our condolences ... but for whom
      - This month marks 20 years since my arrival in Israel - I answered with a serious sour expression. drinks
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 3 October 2020 13: 38 New
        +2
        At first I thought to sympathize with him, but I thought, what if this is a holiday date ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 October 2020 14: 09 New
          0
          In fact, a very cool country - if you are a normal person who is interested in a lot, but calmly work for a fee that is quite decent, even by Western standards)). I'm a crazy person, but it speaks badly about me, by no means about Israel laughing
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 4 October 2020 23: 51 New
            0
            For some reason, I began to worry about Krasnodar))
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 4 October 2020 23: 53 New
              0
              Greetings, Alex! hi
              It was necessary to worry under Tkachev, now you can't spoil anything laughing
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 5 October 2020 00: 42 New
                0
                Albert, hello. Yes, how he imagined that an abnormal person from Israel lives)) And when Tkachev was worse?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 October 2020 00: 49 New
                  -1
                  Better. In Krasnodar.
  • Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 3 October 2020 13: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    "but the fact that he dragged the barmaley from Idlib," Complete fake. There is no need, no need. Now, after partial mobilization, 380 thousand people are already under arms. The army is very well prepared, in all respects, what the hell are mercenaries needed? Aliyev is a strong politician And he will never expose himself with such cheap deals. Maybe others would like to have dragged the barmaley in order to accuse and have a reason, but in front of them is not a pashik, but a politician.

    The barmaleev has much more experience
  • Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 3 October 2020 14: 13 New
    -1
    The real KVO "LORA" on the penultimate test (at sea, for the Chilean delegation) was 3.3-3.5 meters, and the last (also from a barge, PU Maz, distance 400 km.) 2-2.5 meters with video, in networks, in both cases ... The impact on the bridge was made, judging by the video, to the left side of the span and, most importantly, to the left supports. A 1000 lb (450 kg.) Warhead is capable of inflicting very serious damage to the flooring, but the main thing is the structure of the supports and how damaged they are. The very canvas of the bridge is being restored, even if not for heavy equipment and tanks, and it takes time, anyway ...
  • Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 3 October 2020 14: 43 New
    0
    Here on "Courage" a photo from the last 400 km. with an inert warhead. Target diameter in Avg. sea ​​2.5-3 meters. http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2090&p=20
  • Serg koma
    Serg koma 3 October 2020 14: 52 New
    0
    Quote: 1976AG
    There is another version of the nursery rhyme ...
    "And from your window
    See Kolyma a little bit ... "
    (the window overlooks the Lubyanka)

    good
  • svoit
    svoit 3 October 2020 15: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir_6
    Russia as a member of the CSTO will be forced to intervene on the side of Armenia, so as not to lose its image

    Well, we are obliged to kill terrorists in any toilets? Even in the Chechen, even in the Syrian, even in the Azerbaijani. no CSTO is needed here ...

    Quote: atalef
    interesting, but what about the Crimea in this case?

    Yes, a complete analogy, part of the country's population (mainly Russians in Crimea and Donbas) does not want to live among the Bandera and asks to protect Russia from them. But Ukraine, taking advantage of the weakness of Russia (as a result of internal or external conflicts), is trying to annex these territories by force (preferably without a population).
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 3 October 2020 16: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    "But there is no fracture" Only 6 days, and there is a fracture, even from the first day. Today and tomorrow, check the news.

    There is no independent news.
    Both sides repeat their victories.
    When Azerbaijan presents real personnel of the presence of its units in settlements, which can be identified, then we can talk about at least some success of the Azerbaijani army.
    So far, the Azerbaijani army is bogged down in positional battles and suffers losses on the ground.
    Air work for the Azerbaijani army looks very good.
    However, drones will not liberate Karabakh.
    hi
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 3 October 2020 16: 40 New
    -2
    There is a question ... was the S-300 capable of shooting down Laura? If so, what was the reason for not being shot down this time?
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 October 2020 16: 43 New
    +2
    Generally speaking, it is ineffective to use BR to destroy a bridge.
    CEP 10 m with inertial guidance or GPS is too much for
    destruction of the bridge.
    Here we need a CD with tele-guidance at the last stage. Or an accurate aerial bomb with
    laser illumination. To get right into the center pillar of the bridge.
    1. Oleg Olkha
      Oleg Olkha 3 October 2020 19: 50 New
      -1
      "... It has a range of 400 kilometers (250 mi) and a CEP of 10 meters (33 ft) when using a combination of GPS and TV for terminal guidance". Electro-optics in the final section, (under the white cone at the top?) So years not editable - "CEP of 10 meters", not suitable for pinpoint targets.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 3 October 2020 18: 29 New
    -4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    There is confirmation. BBC correspondent spoke with
    Syrian mercenaries in Azerbaijan. They told
    that they are unemployed from Idlib. They were promised that they would
    protect objects, not fight. For $ 1500 a month.

    How did they get to Azerbaijan? According to the Armenian version, dozens of flights from Turkey to Azerbaijan, well, we are talking about 4000 people after all. Show these dozens of charters https://www.flightradar24.com/
    Otherwise, although my opinion is most likely not worth a dime for you, I will consider you either a very clever provocateur serving the Armenians, or "very dense, stupid and naive" leading to cheap divorces of the level "below the plinth also happens."
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 October 2020 21: 50 New
      +1
      It’s for me who you will consider me. smile
      The BBC is a fairly reliable source.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 3 October 2020 22: 13 New
    -3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It’s for me who you will consider me. smile
    The BBC is a fairly reliable source.
    BBC according to Serdyukov or the one that BBC? laughing

    Fortunately for us, there are brothels with blacks and elections in the States, while Russia and Turkey are playing a negotiated match ... Each of these parties has its own interests, most importantly, they do not interfere with us, because "international law" on the basis of which Azerbaijan is right to in fact, sheer prostitution works only in the interests of large world and regional states.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 3 October 2020 22: 37 New
    -4
    Iran stands up for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, and ending the Armenian occupation will guarantee stability in the region, said the head of the Iranian presidential administration Mahmoud Vaezi.

    https://haqqin.az/news/190834
    Well, we smelled fried farces, thanks to the brothers, they helped.

    Well, now to the Armenians through Iran and Georgia, if only by air, but you don’t get so much dung, the sponsor will go around the world ... There is no military-industrial complex, Kocharyan and Sargsyan preferred to steal rather than build their own military-industrial complex, just accusing them of corruption and embezzlement Aliyev, but Ilgam has everything in place and everything works for victory, but the Armenians have gone all over the world, and they have driven women and men for 60 years into the trenches.
    In the warehouses of the 102nd base, there are quite large stocks of ammunition, a lot was taken from Georgia to Armenia at one time, but the Armenians will soon have no guns and tanks at all. Only if fans of tales about Syrian militants do not start making shahidmobiles using shells for destroyed guns, tanks and installations ...
  • certero
    certero 4 October 2020 09: 06 New
    0
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    But even at the household level, there was always friction.

    Household friction and war are somewhat different things?
  • Calm
    Calm 6 October 2020 08: 24 New
    0
    on the Niva immortal or something, did not even stop))