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Russia announced the possible construction of "Nord Stream-3"

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It is assumed that the Nord Stream project will not be limited to four branches of the JV and SP-2, but will be expanded. At the same time, the fifth and sixth lines can be used to supply hydrogen to Europe.


Как сообщает RIA News, such an opinion was expressed at an online conference by Vladislav Belov, Deputy Director of the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

The expert believes that, despite all the obstacles, Nord Stream 2 will be completed and launched. Neither US sanctions nor the consequences of the incident with opposition leader Alexei Navalny will prevent this.

Europe is in the process of transitioning to cleaner fuels, which should be completed by 2050. One of them is hydrogen, but the EU will not be able to provide itself with this fuel on its own. By this time, Russia will be able to use its gas pipelines to supply hydrogen to European countries. For this purpose, it is capable of using the transit pipeline through Ukraine, and the Nord Streams, and other pipelines.

Moreover, Belov believes that additional capacities will be needed to supply Russian hydrogen to Europe:

I suppose that in the future it will be quite possible to build both the fifth and sixth branches, because it is technically justified, and we are talking about a different gas.

Actually, if in Europe, despite the undoubted economic benefits, they decide to stop the construction of the SP-2 under US pressure, then it will be possible to call the pipeline "Nord Stream-3", intended for the supply of hydrogen, take it out of sanctions in this way and calmly finish construction ...
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  1. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 2 October 2020 12: 14
    +2
    Paper will endure everything, write more (c)
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 2 October 2020 12: 20
      27
      Continuous streams of Novichok will go to Europe via SP-3 smile
      If it doesn't poison anyone, then why not use it as a regular gas.
      1. Russian Bear_2
        Russian Bear_2 4 October 2020 20: 35
        0
        At least some benefit from a beginner will belaughing
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 2 October 2020 12: 51
      -4
      Paper will endure everything, write more (c)

      Russia has never built pipelines. This simply cannot be.

      PS in the article about hydrogen is a new fetish of the EU and Russia is already preparing capacities for its production. So we have it.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 2 October 2020 13: 09
        +4
        Quote: c-Petrov
        Paper will endure everything, write more (c)

        Russia has never built pipelines. This simply cannot be.

        PS in the article about hydrogen is a new fetish of the EU and Russia is already preparing capacities for its production. So we have it.

        How many stations in the EU operate on hydrogen? Can it be pumped through conventional pipelines and compressors? How much will it cost and will production be profitable?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 2 October 2020 13: 11
          +7
          The course towards hydrogen energy was finally fixed by the National Strategy for the Development of Hydrogen Energy of the Federal Republic of Germany, published on June 10, 2020. The country's long-term goal is to create a climate-neutral economy with a 2% reduction in CO95 emissions from 1990 levels. And hydrogen, which will be used not only for transport, but also for metallurgy and the petrochemical industry, plays a central role in this process.

          More on the Internet
          1. halpat
            halpat 2 October 2020 16: 28
            +2
            Quote: c-Petrov
            The course towards hydrogen energy was finally fixed by the National Strategy for the Development of Hydrogen Energy of the Federal Republic of Germany, published on June 10, 2020. The country's long-term goal is to create a climate-neutral economy with a 2% reduction in CO95 emissions from 1990 levels. And hydrogen, which will be used not only for transport, but also for metallurgy and the petrochemical industry, plays a central role in this process.

            More on the Internet

            Does the collapse of Hindenburg haunt the Germans?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 2 October 2020 17: 40
              -1
              Quote: Halpat
              Quote: c-Petrov
              The course towards hydrogen energy was finally fixed by the National Strategy for the Development of Hydrogen Energy of the Federal Republic of Germany, published on June 10, 2020. The country's long-term goal is to create a climate-neutral economy with a 2% reduction in CO95 emissions from 1990 levels. And hydrogen, which will be used not only for transport, but also for metallurgy and the petrochemical industry, plays a central role in this process.

              More on the Internet

              Does the collapse of Hindenburg haunt the Germans?

              In this case, offer the Germans to heat the stoves with helium.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 October 2020 14: 27
          +2
          Quote: Pilat2009
          How many stations in the EU operate on hydrogen? Can it be pumped through conventional pipelines and compressors? How much will it cost and will production be profitable?

          Even counting is not worth it. What prevents Grad on a Hill from imposing sanctions against hydrogen? The same "energy dependence" on Russia, the same fear of something "against" in Europe. So SP-4, and SP-5, and SP-100 can be planned.

          About profitability. The cost of production is 1,5-3, the market price is 3-7 US dollars per kilogram.
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 2 October 2020 14: 20
        0
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        in the article about hydrogen - this is a new fetish of the EU and Russia is already preparing capacities for its production. So we have it.

        Hydrogen (with a ma-a-a-lazy prefix "gray", but these are trifles, right?) In the depths of the Black Sea - just heaps. Here we will download it to the European p-m (consumers).
    3. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 2 October 2020 17: 25
      0
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Russia will be able to use its gas pipelines to supply hydrogen to European countries.

      laughing laughing laughing
      Russia will be able to use its gas pipelines to supply hydrogen to European countries.

      What could be nicer than journalistic fantasy ..
    4. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 2 October 2020 17: 28
      -1
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Paper will endure everything, write more (c)

      laughing laughing laughing
      Russia will be able to use its gas pipelines to supply hydrogen to European countries.

      What could be nicer than journalistic imagination .. After all, there is no difference between natural gas and hydrogen.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 2 October 2020 18: 33
        -2
        Quote: Senka Naughty
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Paper will endure everything, write more (c)

        laughing laughing laughing
        Russia will be able to use its gas pipelines to supply hydrogen to European countries.

        What could be nicer than journalistic imagination .. After all, there is no difference between natural gas and hydrogen.

        It seems that our government is deliberately ruining the country with these flows. We build, we are "thrown". And we all build and build .. Lessons do not go for the future ...
  2. ioan-e
    ioan-e 2 October 2020 12: 17
    +3
    Russia announced the possible construction of "Nord Stream-3"

    Finish the second one and start it up first, otherwise, like skakuas, they are proud of their future achievements!
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 2 October 2020 12: 51
      +6
      What are you worried about? After all, Europe needs all these gas pipelines more than Russia. Russia will always have time to sell its gas. Because Russia has it, but they don't, and they need it anyway. Otherwise, they will sit "hungry". The Germans break down like girls, then they will bite their elbows. Literate people in Germany, for example, understand this perfectly well, but they cannot do anything. The local pro-American liberda is no better than the Russian one, and has tremendous influence.
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 2 October 2020 13: 31
        +3
        Quote: orionvitt
        What are you worried about?

        I don’t worry for a second, there’s just an expression - don’t say gop until you jumped! How many enthusiasm there was about the SP-2, but in fact it has not yet been completed and will be completed or not - it is not clear! Not in Russian ...
        PS Do not boast on your way to the army, boast on your way back!
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 2 October 2020 13: 33
          -2
          Quote: ioan-e
          How much enthusiasm was there about SP-2

          I don't remember the enthusiasm. There is more noise and problems from the beginning.
          1. ioan-e
            ioan-e 2 October 2020 13: 36
            -4
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: ioan-e
            How much enthusiasm was there about SP-2

            I don't remember the enthusiasm. There is more noise and problems from the beginning.

            Yes, I implore you, on Vesti FM from Nightingale to Satanovsky, they spread to Gazprom last year about construction! I am generally silent about Kiselev. One Mikheev said that we must first complete the construction, then roll up the corporate parties and unfasten the dividends.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 2 October 2020 13: 52
              +3
              Quote: ioan-e
              from Nightingale to Satanovsky, they spread in diferambs

              Solovyov and Satanovsky, not politicians, but regular propagandists. This is their job. From them like water off a duck's back. It is one thing to be responsible for the market, another thing to be responsible for the case. You can talk about the diferambs as long as you like, but the problems have remained from the very beginning, and there are more. I can only agree with those who claim that they will finish building one way or another. And they built it not because it was so badly needed, but to a greater extent, as a reinsurance, after the memorable events in Ukraine.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 2 October 2020 13: 58
              +1
              Quote: ioan-e
              Yes, I implore you, on Vesti FM from Nightingale to Satanovsky, they spread to Gazprom last year about construction! I am generally silent about Kiselev. One Mikheev said that we must first complete the construction, then roll up the corporate parties and unfasten the dividends.

              It's strange, you believe ordinary media people who hang out on the screen, and do not admit the thought that the calculation of the economic justification for the construction of the SP-2 was done not by propagandists, but by groups of world-class experts who calculated in advance both future needs and the conjuncture of the European market and the opposition of competitors ... Well, don't believe those who talk about the mistakes of the Gazprom bosses - those who invested 5 billion from the Western investors in construction were not at all children in this business, and if they took these risks, then believe me, they will be able to get their money back even if unfavorable scenario. So all of Trump's dances will only lead to a delay in construction, but given that Ukraine will provide another four years of transit, we shouldn't worry too much - we still won't be able to abandon them and load SP-2 at full capacity.
              1. sergo
                sergo 2 October 2020 16: 37
                -1
                world-class expert teams who have calculated future needs in advance
                is it world-class in Gazprom !? If they're so cool, why haven't you read all the risks? Knowing how we get to money positions, I am absolutely sure that amateurs are sitting there, who are 20-25 years old and who, of course, "themselves" made their careers at such a young age. Nuggets are straightforward, only why the Russian economy is steadily rolling downward from such nuggets. But the main thing is stability and it doesn't matter which way.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 2 October 2020 18: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: sergo
                  is it world-class in Gazprom !?

                  You are probably not aware that almost half of the cost of the SP-2 gas pipeline will come from Western investors. And they are not used to investing their money in failed projects.
                  Quote: sergo
                  If they're so cool, why haven't you read all the risks?

                  Who told you that they didn't calculate? On the contrary, they were probably just laid on the long payback of the construction project in order to receive as much profit as possible from the sale of gas in Europe, taking into account the fact that Germany is refusing from nuclear energy. So when playing for a long time, they will receive even more profit - it's like a mortgage for many years.
                  Quote: sergo
                  I am absolutely sure that there are amateurs who are 20-25 years old.

                  Only not in Western corporations, and in Gazprom not everyone is as you think.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 2 October 2020 18: 15
                -4
                Quote: ccsr
                we still will not be able to refuse them and load SP-2 at full capacity.

                Come on, throw your hats! The EU has replaced our LNG gas from Qatar and other countries now.
                Quote: ccsr
                and world-class expert groups

                laughing
                How about loading Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia? Nobody needs these pipelines, their construction is a way to pump money out of the country and nothing more.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 2 October 2020 18: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Come on, throw your hats! The EU has replaced our LNG gas from Qatar and other countries now.

                  It was not the EU that replaced it, but the consequences of the coronavirus and the general economic recession - you at least assess the real events of this year.
                  Quote: Overlock
                  How about loading Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia? Nobody needs these pipelines, their construction is a way to pump money out of the country and nothing more.

                  I will not disappoint you in anything, but recently some interesting information came through, but which was paid little attention, but which will explain a lot to specialists. In short, now there are about 1,2 billion cars in the world. At the current rate of production of electric vehicles, in 10 years there should be about 400 million of them (some believe that half), i.e. about a third of the entire current park. To charge them, one and a half times more power plant capacity will be required than is now available throughout the world. Answer a simple question - where will you get this capacity so quickly and what should be the fuel for power plants. If you can solve this problem without gas, then I think you will become a Nobel Prize winner ...
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 2 October 2020 19: 50
                    -1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    general economic downturn -

                    so why, amid the recession, the EU buys and buys LNG? Compare the purchase of LNG and pipeline gas.
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Answer a simple question - where will you get this capacity so quickly and what should be the fuel for power plants.

                    They will take energy substitution
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 3 October 2020 09: 45
                      +2
                      Quote: Overlock
                      so why, amid the recession, the EU buys and buys LNG?

                      Not everything is so rosy:
                      American liquefied natural gas producers are losing customers in Europe. Last week, two Spanish companies did not accept the already contracted LNG shipments: due to falling prices, it turned out to be more profitable to pay the forfeit than to transport the "freedom gas" to Europe. According to experts, Russian companies are winning in the current market conditions.

                      https://ria.ru/20200302/1565325424.html
                      Quote: Overlock
                      They will take energy substitution

                      This forecast has not yet been supported by anything, and not all countries agree to subsidize alternative energy, but everyone will buy electric cars.
                  2. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 3 October 2020 20: 27
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    where will you get this power so quickly and what should be the fuel for power plants

                    Elementary Watson. Nuclear power plants in Belarus, Ukraine and Turkey will supply electricity to the European Union, and possibly Russia.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 4 October 2020 10: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      Elementary Watson. Nuclear power plants in Belarus, Ukraine and Turkey will supply electricity to the European Union, and possibly Russia.

                      There won't be enough capacities, and you won't find so many lines. And who will supply electricity to Asia and America, taking into account the fact that China has already overtaken the United States in the number of cars, and India is also not standing still?
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 October 2020 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: orionvitt
        What are you worried about? After all, Europe needs all these gas pipelines more than Russia.

        But the Europeans don't understand this.
        So it's better to build liquefaction facilities
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 2 October 2020 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: orionvitt
        Europe needs it more than Russia. Russia will always have time to sell its gas.

        The European Union has decided that further growth will be carried out due to the energy transition. It's not just the US and Japan that do this. China and India are moving towards the same. The solution of all key countries is to get out of the crisis by liquidating the hydrocarbon sector and changing the global energy balance.
        Our share in the hydrocarbon market has already dropped by 20%. When will the leading countries start to implement the course towards energy efficiency, reduction of energy consumption, alternative energy - what will be our share?
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 3 October 2020 17: 01
          0
          Quote: Overlock
          The European Union has decided that further growth will be carried out due to the energy transition. It's not just the US and Japan that do this. China and India are moving towards the same. The solution of all key countries is to get out of the crisis by liquidating the hydrocarbon sector and changing the global energy balance.
          Our share in the hydrocarbon market has already dropped by 20%. When will the leading countries start to implement the course towards energy efficiency, reduction of energy consumption, alternative energy - what will be our share?

          Excuse me, but what are they going to switch to in the chemical industry? If you think that oil is only for gasoline and diesel, you are deeply mistaken. How are they going to lubricate electric cars? Will they stop wearing pantyhose and stockings, will they stop producing disposable syringes?
          I certainly do not mind, let them stop buying hydrocarbons !!! We will sell them finished products
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 3 October 2020 20: 29
            0
            Quote: ZEMCH
            We will sell them finished products

            China supplies them with finished products
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 3 October 2020 22: 06
              0
              Fertilizers, sunflower oil, weapons and software (software sold for $ 2019 billion in 11.1)
    2. halpat
      halpat 2 October 2020 20: 35
      0
      Quote: ioan-e
      Russia announced the possible construction of "Nord Stream-3"

      Finish the second one and start it up first, otherwise, like skakuas, they are proud of their future achievements!

      Yes. with perseverance worthy of a better application, Russia is building and is building the "pipe"
      And here is Akkuyu, from wrinkles it is known where, for his own money he will soon build.
      it's alarming somehow
  3. Svarog
    Svarog 2 October 2020 12: 17
    -9
    With the southern problem ... The power of Siberia also does not justify itself, it remains to pump through Germany ..
    But Germany can jump off too ..
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 2 October 2020 12: 28
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      With the southern problem ... The power of Siberia also does not justify itself, it remains to pump through Germany ..
      But Germany can jump off too ..

      Why doesn't it justify? China doesn't need gas? Or is there enough of your own?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 2 October 2020 13: 11
        +3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: Svarog
        With the southern problem ... The power of Siberia also does not justify itself, it remains to pump through Germany ..
        But Germany can jump off too ..

        Why doesn't it justify? China doesn't need gas? Or is there enough of your own?

        Judging by the volume of pumping, it is not particularly needed
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 2 October 2020 13: 57
        +3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Why doesn't it justify? China doesn't need gas? Or is there enough of your own?

        Not needed. This is not needed. China has relied on LNG. And the power of Siberia is insurance for him. On the topic - what if tomorrow is a war. That is why Novak said, 3 years ago, that this is a non-commercial project. Simply put, China has insured itself for our money in case of trouble. The builders warmed their paws. Not bad by the way warmed up. But what about the profit / loss of the state? And who cares about such trifles? Certainly not gas workers. As practice shows, their salaries / bonuses from the efficiency of Gazprom's work, the losses they generate with their ingenious decisions, in principle do not depend.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 2 October 2020 18: 43
          -2
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Why doesn't it justify? China doesn't need gas? Or is there enough of your own?

          Not needed. This is not needed. China has relied on LNG. And the power of Siberia is insurance for him. On the topic - what if tomorrow is a war. That is why Novak said, 3 years ago, that this is a non-commercial project. Simply put, China has insured itself for our money in case of trouble. The builders warmed their paws. Not bad by the way warmed up. But what about the profit / loss of the state? And who cares about such trifles? Certainly not gas workers. As practice shows, their salaries / bonuses from the efficiency of Gazprom's work, the losses they generate with their ingenious decisions, in principle do not depend.

          What is the share of Chinese investment?
      3. Free wind
        Free wind 2 October 2020 14: 02
        0
        There is simply no gas, out of 22 fields, 15 were empty. Geologists know a little bit ...
      4. Overlock
        Overlock 2 October 2020 18: 19
        0
        Quote: Vol4ara
        China doesn't need gas? Or is there enough of your own?

        America will become the main supplier of energy resources to China instead of Russia
        https://www.dw.com/ru/%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%BC-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D0%B2-%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9/a-52086498
        China does not want to buy Russian gas
        https://ghall.com.ua/2020/08/13/kitaj-otkazyvaetsya-ot-rossijskogo-gaza/
    2. A009
      A009 2 October 2020 12: 32
      +6
      There is information that the Power of Siberia 2 is already being designed and a route has been agreed. It is likely to increase the throughput and the route through Mongolia in order to increase unprofitability, do I understand you correctly?
      1. Errr
        Errr 2 October 2020 13: 00
        0
        Yamal gas will be driven along the "second Siberian power" the Chayindian, together with the promising Kovykta Chinese, will not be enough in the future. smile
        As for the profitability of these ideas ... Personally, I would rename these projects to "Xi Power" and "Xi Power - 2", meaning of course Jinping. laughing
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 2 October 2020 13: 21
          0
          As for the profitability of these ideas ... Personally, I would rename these projects to "Xi Power" and "Xi Power - 2", meaning of course Jinping. laughing

          Judging by the map, we haven't really looked into the storage room in the upper right corner laughing laughing laughing All hands do not reach ...
          1. Errr
            Errr 2 October 2020 13: 33
            +1
            Not only did they drop in, but they are already raking it out.
            Only to the east of Yakutia is not Gazprom pumping. Gazprom's estates are only those on the map below.
    3. Roman13579
      Roman13579 2 October 2020 12: 37
      -6
      Everything is built at the expense of our own money .. from the sale of our own resources ..
      Why would the West not pump every last drop from us ..
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 2 October 2020 12: 52
        -6
        Everything is being built at the expense of our own money ..

        how many are yours? Chamomile, can you count your money?
        I love the wet oppositionists, dreamers, shaketellers to the regime on the VO website.

        thunderstorm of Putin's rule, oppobots VO. My little patient Banderlog. Who cannot do anything but endure another decade and moan wetly in the comments

        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 2 October 2020 13: 04
          +1
          how many are yours?
          And what .. is it really all built exclusively for yours ??
          Ali can they bring them from the moon ??

          can not do anything but endure another decade

          There are also final terpily here ..))
          The other day, one suggested at least 50 years to wait .. so you lost something a little on account of the decade ..
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 2 October 2020 13: 04
            -10 qualifying.
            Chamomile, I asked the question: "How much money did you spend on the pipe?"
            Can you count? You need to see how many of them you had and how many were left after the construction of the pipelines and name the difference - the very amount that was spent on construction.
            you groaned off topic

            Or do you have so many of them that you cannot name the exact amount that was withdrawn from you for the project?
            1. Roman13579
              Roman13579 2 October 2020 13: 13
              -2
              I asked a question
              And I asked a question ..
              Or you, having decided that the smartest, have entrusted the responsibility to ask questions exclusively on yourself? Naive Chukchi youth ..
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 2 October 2020 13: 14
                -8
                patient and pathetic opposition in the Russian Federation has always instilled confidence in me in the future

                You're doing fine. And the quality of the material from which you are made will not let you boil anywhere except on the Internet

                You are the best oppositionist for Russia. And svarog is also well done with a baby. Your patient tribe is the best in this regard.

                1. Roman13579
                  Roman13579 2 October 2020 13: 17
                  +1
                  But you are seething in each barrel so that nothing can be plugged ..))
            2. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 2 October 2020 13: 36
              +2
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              "How much money did you spend on the pipe?"

              I don’t know how much money was spent from the person to whom you asked the question, but ours, i.e. my family, it took about 30.000. Simple arithmetic price / population of Russia * number of people in the family. Anyone who knows multiplication / division at the level of at least a six-grade student will master it without problems.
              1. Alexy
                Alexy 2 October 2020 16: 21
                0
                As far as I understand, the state should have paid your family 30000, but instead invested this money in the pipe?
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 2 October 2020 16: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexy
                  As far as I understand, the state should have paid your family 30000, but instead invested this money in the pipe?

                  You know my dear man, I personally have no gas. Although I live 35 km from the Moscow Ring Road, 6 or 7 from a major gas pipeline, and two kilometers from the local one. And not that I live alone. Permanent residents have already exceeded 30 people, occasionally .... I did not count, but there are already about fifty houses. If this same money that was buried in Siberia would be invested in a pipe at home, at home .... But show-off is our everything. More precisely, all of them. You can't talk about gas pipelines between villages. And so yes. We act extremely beautifully. We will give gas to the Chinese, but 50 km from Red Square, you can heat with firewood. Tea is not Chinese, the daragie scattered here live, we can be kept on the wood until the 25th century.
      2. Rubi0
        Rubi0 2 October 2020 13: 21
        +1
        Can you specifically calculate how much taxes you paid in the last month? How much went to the local and federal budgets?
      3. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 2 October 2020 13: 34
        0
        Everything is built at the expense of our own money .. from the sale of our own resources ..

        And at whose expense should it be built?
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 2 October 2020 13: 59
          -3
          Now, if I drill a well on your site at your expense .. and I will pump your water for myself .. then you will immediately guess at whose expense it should be ..))
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 2 October 2020 14: 53
            +1
            Now, if I drill a well on your site at your expense .. and I will pump your water for myself .. then you will immediately guess at whose expense it should be ..))

            So at whose expense something should be built on our territory, and then sold somewhere else?
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 2 October 2020 12: 18
    -1
    Huge plans.
    Even if it doesn't grow together, you always need to work for the future.
    "Comrades are going the right way!"
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 2 October 2020 12: 23
      -1
      Why not joke if there is funding? Not enough, so no problem - we will raise gas prices even steeper. The people in Russia are patient.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 2 October 2020 12: 33
        +4
        Back in the USSR, huge funds were invested in the possibility of export deliveries.
        Until now, they bring profits to the state and give the opportunity to build up defense capabilities and other aspects of life.
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 2 October 2020 13: 00
        -5
        The people in Russia are patient.


        people in Russia approve of the course. And the patient in Russia is the opposition. Each has a medal for patience weighing 5 kilograms

        There would be trouble - if the opposition in the Russian Federation did not consist of tolerated, yes, Svarog?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 2 October 2020 13: 57
          -4
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          And the patient in Russia is the opposition

          Once, I once met in an "informal setting" with my friend, a specialist in the field of psychiatry. Hooked on the edge of the topic "opposition on the Internet." His recommendation sounded something like this: "You should not pay serious attention to them. The basis of this, ts," opposition "is made up of deeply unhappy people who have not received recognition in the circle of close people. And therefore, due to frenzied criticism of everything around what is happening they strive to increase self-esteem. Here his wife, for example, caresses him in the evening, and he has no oppositional views. All opposition they have from internal dissatisfaction with their living conditions. " Something like this. You are throwing grain into the wrong furrows. Yes, and sometimes I ... laughing But still, good luck wink
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 2 October 2020 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Hagen
            a specialist in psychiatry.

            what we watch, we have.
            Usually psychiatrists are always abnormal. Communicating with the mentally ill, they themselves become them. The question is in the depths of the disorders
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 2 October 2020 20: 59
              -1
              Quote: Overlock
              Usually psychiatrists are always abnormal. Communicating with the mentally ill, they themselves become them. The question is in the depths of the disorders

              I do not have many friends or acquaintances in that field to agree with you or disprove. I know one thing, we do not have a dispensary for the mentally ill, and among my friend's clients, almost all people are quite normal, but with some life problems. And obviously you're right, the depth of the disorder can vary. For example, an unreasonable hatred of the world around us that lasts for years, depression. How many of these are around? And delusional ideas, violation of logical thinking are found at every step. At the same time, all carriers of these qualities do not consider themselves sick. Until an aggravation happens and the behavior goes beyond the framework.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 2 October 2020 21: 44
                +3
                Quote: Hagen
                At the same time, all carriers of these qualities do not consider themselves sick. Until an aggravation happens and the behavior goes beyond the framework.

                no one knows the true number of psychiatric patients, moreover, the first detected aggression may be the first manifestation. And before that, a normal person, it would seem. Remember the Kerch shooter.
                And how to assess the threats to destroy the Earth from the lips of our politicians. Zhirinovsky recently proposed dropping an atomic bomb. He is healthy?
                Here St Petrov healthy?
  5. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 2 October 2020 12: 19
    -4
    Something big doubts about the SP-2. The mattress will not come loose
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 2 October 2020 13: 01
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      The mattress will not come loose

      Let's see what happens after November 3. The world is already frozen in anticipation. Something tells me that "mattresses" will add more problems in America itself. The US has the worst symptoms. Of course, the disease can progress over the years and "world democracy" still has time to shit the whole world. Let's wait and see. But there is no doubt that the "hegemon" is sick.
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  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 October 2020 12: 21
    0
    In this Gazprom, some masochists seem to have gathered.
    1. Genry
      Genry 2 October 2020 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      In this Gazprom, some masochists seem to have gathered.

      What does Gazprom have to do with it? It seems that Rosatom will be involved in hydrogen.
  8. yehat2
    yehat2 2 October 2020 12: 21
    +2
    some kind of nonsense
    pay off at least what you have already configured.
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 2 October 2020 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: yehat2
      pay off at least what you have already configured.

      You do not quite understand the strategy of the Gazprom managers. There are other tasks there. Payback and profitability are not the concepts that are taken into account there.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 2 October 2020 12: 58
        -4
        these ghouls are alien to me
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 October 2020 14: 01
        +2
        There, these concepts are taken into account first of all, however, as elsewhere, and gas pipeline projects do not end with gas supplies and pipes. In these projects, the payback is initially for the long term.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 2 October 2020 14: 06
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          In these projects, the payback is initially for the long term.

          Yes, yes ... Everything will be fine in 20xx. The economy will take off, the gas pipelines will pay off. And then either the shah or the donkey will die. Everyone who has kickbacks from today's "projects" will be in a situation "there are no others, but those are far away."
  9. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 2 October 2020 12: 23
    -1
    This one would have been completed first. And then SP-3.
  10. Piramidon
    Piramidon 2 October 2020 12: 28
    +3
    At the same time, the fifth and sixth lines can be used to supply hydrogen to Europe.

    Seventh and eighth - nitrogen, ninth and tenth - oxygen, eleventh and twelfth - vodka and brine ... You can be crazy about such plans. laughing fool
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 2 October 2020 12: 52
      +2
      -And beer?
      -What beer !?
      -And in the future?
      -What is the future !!! crying
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 2 October 2020 13: 05
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        -And beer?

        No. Although I am not a particular beer lover, so far (according to my taste sensations) we are not competitors to the Germans. "Holsten" and "Yarpivo" taste, even I (a layman in this) will distinguish
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 2 October 2020 13: 20
          0
          "Tsingtao", China ....
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 2 October 2020 13: 39
            -2
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            "Tsingtao", China ....

            I have never tried it and have not even come across on sale. Not rice, by any chance?
            1. Errr
              Errr 2 October 2020 14: 00
              0
              Quote: Piramidon
              Not rice, by any chance?
              Now contains rice impurity. They make it cheaper ... But initially there was a German classic.
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 2 October 2020 18: 42
      -2
      Quote: Piramidon
      Seventh and eighth - nitrogen, ninth and tenth - oxygen, eleventh and twelfth - vodka and brine ... You can be crazy about such plans.

      He still forgot to tell about New Moscow and Old Vasyuki. Great schemer, damn it ...
  11. maktub
    maktub 2 October 2020 12: 28
    0
    One step from words to implementation laughing
  12. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 2 October 2020 12: 29
    +1
    Well, not on gas, so on the construction of a gas pipeline to mow loot ... what a difference to them! bully
  13. iouris
    iouris 2 October 2020 12: 31
    -3
    Come on, the damned aphid will suffocate!
  14. Asad
    Asad 2 October 2020 12: 32
    +1
    Gazmyas' shares will soon become “junk”! National property! That Chubais is that Miller is a caste of untouchables!
  15. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 October 2020 12: 41
    +4
    Comments harness.
    According to RIA Novosti, this opinion was expressed at an online conference by Vladislav Belov, Deputy Director of the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

    If this person has something to do with Gazprom, it is very, very conditional.
    But in the comments they have already decided that they are starting to build right tomorrow.
    They read only the title, after which they instantly move straight to the astral plane.
    From where they are indignant.
    Sheer fun!
  16. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 2 October 2020 12: 42
    +2
    Pardon my darkness - where do we get so much of this hydrogen? Yes, and what about the fact that it diffuses coolly through iron, you bastard ... Explain, plyz ...
    1. KCA
      KCA 2 October 2020 12: 56
      -1
      As you can imagine, methane (natural gas) is like shoe polish in our shoe polish factory:

      More than 50% of all hydrogen is produced by steam reforming of water and methane. In this case, the three main components (natural gas, water vapor and oxygen) are mixed in certain proportions.
      Thus, part of the natural gas burns along with oxygen, thereby maintaining the required temperature for the continuation of the chemical reaction. Methane, not burnt out during the conversion reaction, reacts with steam to form carbon monoxide (i.e. soot) and hydrogen itself.
      Simplicity and relative ease make hydrogen production by steam reforming the cheapest available.

      The second method for producing hydrogen is the cracking of methane, the simplest hydrocarbon composition. Thanks to a special process, liquefied methane is heated to temperatures above 1000-1400 ° C, after which the gas begins to decompose into hydrogen and carbon.
      Due to the cheapness of methane, as well as the simple method of producing it, this type of hydrogen production is the easiest. However, high temperatures and potential fire hazards require additional safety measures. In addition, the equipment for the complete cracking process is not cheap.
    2. Errr
      Errr 2 October 2020 14: 13
      0
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      Yes, and what about the fact that it diffuses coolly through iron, you bastard ...
      You hit exactly the hole !!! good Enta svolsh [hydrogen] also excellently embrittles high-strength steel. So the hydrogen pipeline will soon be kirdyk, however. laughing
  17. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 2 October 2020 12: 43
    +3
    I suppose that in the future it will be quite possible to build both the fifth and sixth branches, because it is technically justified, and we are talking about a different gas.

  18. Antidote
    Antidote 2 October 2020 12: 44
    +4
    Ostap Bender 2
  19. Tavi
    Tavi 2 October 2020 12: 46
    +2
    What do you want to finish them off? they are the second, then not everything will survive))
  20. mag nit
    mag nit 2 October 2020 12: 47
    +4
    "Academician Chersky" has already gone to the construction of "SP-3". Why stand idle?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 3 October 2020 10: 29
      -2
      Quote: mag nit
      "Academician Chersky" has already gone to the construction of "SP-3". Why stand idle?

      Right. To cover the bottom of the Baltic with pipes. And then there is not enough scrap accumulated.
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 2 October 2020 12: 48
    +5
    Funny guys though. They have not moved away from one event, they already want a new one.
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 October 2020 13: 38
      +2
      Let the USA turn ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 October 2020 13: 55
        +3
        Troll it, it is possible, even useful.
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 October 2020 17: 37
          +2
          Yes, and very noble and our southern neighbors had a deep hiccup.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 October 2020 18: 11
            0
            You can put on ALL southern neighbors, except for one!
            And he has his own plans, ideas and so on ... he rushes according to them, practically to no one, no matter what, not paying attention!
            1. cniza
              cniza 2 October 2020 18: 14
              +3
              It seems to me that he will not be enough for a long time, he opened his mouth very much, he may choke ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 October 2020 18: 17
                0
                Whenever they finish their journey, only the successors of his work can be found!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 2 October 2020 18: 18
                  +2
                  There are some, but there are not enough resources ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 2 October 2020 18: 23
                    +1
                    So then he wants to expand and crush everyone who has something against it!
                    In today's world, solidarity around the idea of ​​one's own people and a decisive, cunning leader is POWER!
                    The Sultan has already won a lot if you look closely. It rakes under itself, and these are resources, human and others!
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 2 October 2020 18: 32
                      +2
                      There is such a situation and he looks more and more like the German leader before the Second World War ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 2 October 2020 19: 43
                        0
                        In the east there is also a richer one, but he leads the masses, and there it is a real force. Moreover, there is industrial potential. Not of the same level as that of the leading world powers, but give it a time, and he rakes up resources himself!
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 2 October 2020 20: 39
                        +2
                        It is clear that he is energetic and purposeful, but he lacks flexibility, lacks foresight of where he is going ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 2 October 2020 21: 31
                        0
                        It happens, you can try to get around the mountain, or you can climb over the steep! Is the path safer or the path more difficult? Which one will most likely lead to victory? Who can predict in advance.
                        The Sultan has chosen his path and is climbing!
                        Most likely we will still see some kind of result.
  • Elephant
    Elephant 2 October 2020 12: 49
    +2
    Or maybe we have enough to feed European countries with raw materials !!! Or does our academician until 2050 consider Russia as a raw material appendage of Europe ???
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 2 October 2020 13: 27
      +1
      Or maybe we have enough to feed European countries with raw materials !!! Or does our academician until 2050 consider Russia as a raw material appendage of Europe ???

      This is the place to be a "raw material appendage" and they are ready to strangle us ... And not only the Americans ...
      so it's enough to carry the old 2ren from the 2000s.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 2 October 2020 12: 51
    +5
    I wonder where this amount of hydrogen will come from in Russia. If from methane, then what to do with carbon monoxide formed during the production process. Where to get energy to get it. And what will be the transport losses at such distances. And what to do with hydrogen embrittlement of steel. It is unlikely that effective managers think about such trifles. They are only interested in finances that can be cut through on these projects.
  • Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 2 October 2020 12: 56
    +1
    By this time, Russia will be able to use its gas pipelines to supply hydrogen to European countries. For this purpose, it is capable of using the transit pipeline through Ukraine, and the Nord Streams, and other pipelines.

  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 2 October 2020 13: 01
    +5
    It is assumed that the Nord Stream project will not be limited to four branches of the JV and SP-2, but will be expanded. At the same time, the fifth and sixth lines can be used to supply hydrogen to Europe.

    Or you can lay a water pipeline to the Crimea and provide residents with an uninterrupted supply of fresh water ...
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 2 October 2020 13: 12
      0
      There is a lot of fresh water, believe me ...
  • bang
    bang 2 October 2020 13: 05
    +4
    Deputy Director of the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladislav Belov
    This deputy director has a great plan, a great Dutch plan.
  • kiborg
    kiborg 2 October 2020 13: 11
    0
    At the same time, the fifth and sixth lines can be used to supply hydrogen to Europe.

    Well, yes, and the Chinese will be able to drive water from Baikal through the pipe. Our thieves will think of this ...
  • ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 2 October 2020 13: 26
    -2
    You better explain to the people clearly why the SP-2 is not being completed! recourse
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  • sleeve
    sleeve 2 October 2020 13: 32
    0
    And hydrogen is good. It really is a pipe. And we have all the grounds for "natural" production.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 October 2020 14: 04
      +1
      In Russia, it is planned to produce up to 80 billion cubic meters per year by 2035.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 2 October 2020 14: 47
        -1
        Only on the way ...
  • cniza
    cniza 2 October 2020 13: 37
    0
    Russia announced the possible construction of "Nord Stream-3"


    This is a noble trolling for the USA and all hangers-on ...
  • AB
    AB 2 October 2020 13: 40
    +2
    Europe is in the process of transitioning to cleaner fuels, which should be completed by 2050.

    ... Birds die from windmills, not only people but also the environment suffer from the hum. Batteries remain from solar panels, ecology suffers. Hydrogen energy - natural resources are used for production (oil, gas and other natural materials). Natural resources are not eternal and tend to run out. Now, with the extraction and use of hydrogen, there is a huge possibility of an explosion. Scientists are paying more and more attention to the extraction of hydrogen from water. But! Obtaining hydrogen from water is only at the stage of discussion and agreement. At the moment, no unambiguous mining method has been developed.
    As a result. If you want to make God laugh, tell Him about your plans.
  • prior
    prior 2 October 2020 13: 46
    0
    Madam Europe, what will you please?
    Hydrogen?
    Nord Stream-3. Kindly ...
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 2 October 2020 14: 00
    +1
    first they jump, then they say "Gop"))
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 2 October 2020 14: 08
    -2
    Shaw again the same hassle as with the SP-2?

    It is high time to admit that it is not "partners" that await us in Europe. and the "sharper" crying
  • thinker
    thinker 2 October 2020 14: 09
    +4
    Quote: mag nit
    "Academician Chersky" has already gone to the construction of "SP-3"

    The people do not know. I went, but so far SP-2 to finish building good
    The Akademik Chersky pipelayer left the German port of Mukran and headed for the area of ​​the unfinished section of the Nord Stream 2, which is located a few dozen kilometers from the coast.

  • Undecim
    Undecim 2 October 2020 14: 15
    +3
    Deputy Director of the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladislav Belov.
    A person in such a position, in theory, should be informed about the issue under consideration, because the statement "the EU will not be able to provide itself with this fuel" can be attributed either to the fantasies of hack-journalists, or to the academician's desire to throw propaganda at the fan.
    To begin with, we are talking not just about hydrogen, but about "green hydrogen", which is currently produced only by electrolysis of water.
    Secondly, on the "hydrogen front" a serious struggle is already underway for leadership, first of all, the struggle of technologies and huge money is being invested. Therefore, the struggle and competition will not be comparable to the competition with suppliers of classic hydrocarbons in the oil and gas market, since they will have to compete with high-tech companies from leading powers such as Germany, South Korea, Japan, China and the United States. And new major players are constantly entering this market.
    And then Saudi Arabia announced the launch of the "world's largest" production of green hydrogen. The joint venture between ACWA Power and Air Products in the special economic zone NEOM will cost $ 5 billion and will produce 650 tons of hydrogen per day, which will be entirely exported. The production will include thyssenkrupp electrolysers and "more than 4 GW of solar, wind and energy storage capacity". The new facility will also produce 1,2 million tonnes of green ammonia per year, as well as nitrogen by air separation.
    The European Union, USA, Japan - all claim the honorable first place. And then there's China in ambush.
    Therefore, the academician's statement that "they are not capable" is propaganda chatter. They "already do."
    And about pipelines. The existing natural gas infrastructure, as it is, is unsuitable for the transportation and distribution of hydrogen due to the use of insufficient quality metal in these systems. For final conclusions about the suitability of the existing gas transmission systems for pumping hydrogen, it is necessary to carry out comprehensive R&D to study the materials of modern gas pipelines.
    This is the conclusion of O.K. Alekseeva, head of department at the Institute of Hydrogen Energy and Plasma Technologies, National Research Center "Kurchatov Institute" and V.N. Fateeva, deputy. Director for scientific and organizational work
    NRC "Kurchatov Institute".
    Therefore, for the construction of hydrogen pipelines, for a start, it will be necessary to build a hydrogen production, develop materials for pipes, produce pipes and build a pipeline. And then the EU will impose sanctions ...
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 2 October 2020 14: 40
    -3
    Is it worth it? You only need to build one money pipeline, throw currency into the pipe, and then launder it. And there will be no sanctions
  • Dikson
    Dikson 2 October 2020 15: 00
    -3
    And there is nothing written about the distribution of free gas to the population of their country? City boilers there to convert from coal to gas, for example? to distribute Siberian cities? And then here we have reactors shut down and build .. coal-fired boiler houses in return ... Everything for Western partners ....)) Maybe all the same - to distribute their own gas, and bourgeois - what is left?))
  • Baskak
    Baskak 2 October 2020 15: 23
    +6
    Russia announced the possible construction of "Nord Stream-3"

    Yeah, we can build Nord Stream 3, 4, and 10. Only first would I finish building the second ...
  • NF68
    NF68 2 October 2020 15: 58
    0
    Someone in Europe, at the mere mention of the SP-2, throws up a couple of meters, and then the conversation started about SP-3.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 2 October 2020 17: 35
    +1
    Oh, it will burst if th .., more terrible "Gorynycha Serpent".
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 2 October 2020 17: 40
    -3
    So the little box with Europe's refusal from fossil hydrocarbons in the energy sector has opened a little. We seriously intend to switch to hydrogen on a massive scale. Apparently the technology has been pulled up to an affordable level.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 October 2020 19: 21
    -1
    It is better to establish an official pipeline. To supply officials, there are too many of them. Only the pipe is wider to fit.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 2 October 2020 19: 58
    -1
    You can also drive intestinal gases to Europe ...
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 2 October 2020 20: 14
    -2
    They jump straight out of their cowards so that Europe does not remain without cheap fuel. Everything for the native people. laughing
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 3 October 2020 07: 58
    0
    ... Well I hope that it comes
    My second breath, then I look for the third,
    Then - the fourth breath ...
    Well, I'm on the fifth, of course, cut
    Guinean distance!
  • fif21
    fif21 3 October 2020 12: 27
    -1
    To the eternal Russian problem - not smart people and roads, another one was added: not examined in "Kashchenko" wassat