The combat crews of the S-300PT / PS of the Armenian Air Defense Forces are preparing for the worst-case scenario. What is fraught with the involvement of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces with ballistic missiles LORA and KR SOM-1B?

Against the background of a noticeable complication of the operational-tactical situation in all sectors of the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, as well as every day more and more pronounced positioning of Ankara as a key party to the Karabakh conflict for the Ministry of Defense of Armenia and the command of the NKR JSC, the issue of the effectiveness of those several anti-aircraft missile divisions S-300PT / PS, which, according to competent sources, could be transferred to the area of ​​Khankendi airport (Stepanakert).

The answer to this question is hidden both in the terrain of this theater of military operations, and in the features of the semi-active radar principle of guidance of 5V55R anti-aircraft missiles, used in the weapons control systems of anti-aircraft missile systems of the S-300PT / PS line. So, in the case of the deployment of S-300PT / PS divisions (including antenna posts 5N63-1 / C with radars for illumination and guidance 30N6E) in the low-plain areas of the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, combat crews of the Armenian "three hundred" will be able to intercept only those airborne - a space attack by the Azerbaijani and Turkish air forces, which will approach the target areas along ballistic (at a dive angle of no more than 64 degrees) and flat trajectories running in the coverage area of ​​the illumination and guidance radars 30N6E.

The tactically verified dispersion of the S-300PT / PS anti-aircraft missile divisions in the future will provide cover for the units of the Army of Armenia and the NKR JSC from the operational-tactical ballistic missiles LORA and guided missiles of the MLRS "Polonez"

The list of such objects can be considered, firstly, 301-mm long-range guided missiles of the high-precision MLRS "Polonez", which are regularly supplied to the ground forces of Azerbaijan within the framework of multimillion-dollar defense contracts between Baku and Minsk, and secondly, operational-tactical ballistic missiles (OTBR) LORA, developed by the Israeli aerospace corporation "Israel Aerospace Industries" and entered service with artillery brigades of the Azerbaijan Army in 2018. At the same time, the interception of operational-tactical ballistic missiles LORA can be implemented only in the case of territorial dispersal of two and / or more S-300PT / PS divisions at a distance of about 7 km from each other to cover the "dead craters" (obscure elevation view sectors) above the illumination radars 30N6E, after all, according to advertising infographics from IAI, the terminal section of the LORA OTBR trajectory has an angle of inclination of the order of 88-90 degrees, not covered by the S-300PT / PS / PM1 / 2 air defense systems.

With regard to low-altitude air attack weapons, including Turkish and Azerbaijani drones-kamikaze, multi-role F-16C Block 50+ fighters operating in the terrain envelope mode, as well as SOM-1B stealth cruise missiles (designed by the Turkish company Roketsan in cooperation with the TUBITAK SAGE research center), "creeping up" to the target objects at ultra-low altitudes from 20 to 50 m, then the process of their early destruction by means of "three hundred" in the conditions of the elevated terrain of Karabakh will be very difficult even if target designation for 5N63C combat control points will be issued by the RLDN A-50U aircraft operating over Gyumri , coupled with the automated control system of the Polyana-D4M1 anti-aircraft missile brigade via a secure radio channel for the exchange of tactical information. Why?

Anti-aircraft guided missiles 5В55Р, equipped with semi-active radar seeker, which need continuous target illumination up to the operation of the radio fuse and the initiation of the warhead, are unable to intercept enemy air targets located outside the radio horizon, as well as periodically "diving into the shadows" of the hills, hills and numerous branches of the Karabakh ...

In this situation, regular patrolling of the airspace of Armenia and the NKR by the Su-30SM unit will be most effective, which is capable of both dominating in long-range air battles over the occasionally used Turkish F-16C Block 50+, and intercepting the SOM-1B cruise missiles purchased by the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry thanks to the powerful and anti-jamming airborne PFAR radar N011M "Bars-R" (detecting a target with an image intensifier tube of 0,1 sq. m at a distance of 70-75 km) and long-range air-to-air missiles RVV-SD, whose flight performance parameters significantly exceed the performance of the AIM-120C-5/7 AMRAAM air combat missiles in service with the Turkish Air Force.

Comments

[NEXUS]

As they say, one is not a warrior in the field. The S-300, without the cover of other air defense systems, such as Torah, Pantsiri, etc., electronic warfare systems, will become easy prey for both enemy aircraft and kamikaze UAVs, for the destruction of which the S-300 is not stupidly designed.

[Grandfather]

The tactically verified dispersion of the S-300PT / PS anti-aircraft missile divisions in the future will provide cover for the units of the Army of Armenia and the NKR JSC from the operational-tactical ballistic missiles LORA and guided missiles MLRS "Polonez"

Seriously ? a pair of MLRS "Polonaise" fires a volley of 16 high-speed missiles ... vaguely imagine their "interception" with the help of S-300PT / PS.

[BDRM 667]

The combat crews of the S-300PT / PS of the Armenian Air Defense Forces are preparing for the worst-case scenario. What is fraught with the involvement of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces with ballistic missiles LORA and KR SOM-1B?

While journalists and politicians argue "how it will be", real combat launches of S-300 have already become an objective reality.

Armenian media report that S-300 air defense systems are firing in the area of ​​Yerevan.
According to Pashinyan, in the region of Kotayk and Gegharkunik, the air defense unit of Yerevan shot down 3 out of 4 drones that invaded the airspace of Armenia.

[Grandfather]

great video, cameraman is brilliant ... gee ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dead Day

great video, cameraman is brilliant ... gee ...

Simple casual eyewitnesses to launches with mobile phones. What drama and special effects can you expect from the footage in this case?

Here is another video with the operation of the Osa-AKM calculation recently called "ineffective"

[donavi49]

This is the Orbiter (about 20 kg of takeoff weight) - he is just a scout, that is, he flies and looks. He was captured not by radar, but by optical channel.

Total:
- The Orbiter most likely opened them.
- The wasp found it visually, that is, at the level of twist to 240 and look in that sector, and now through the optical station they found it.

In this case:
- The thing of the 21st century - Harop, simply won't give so much time. By the time it is found by optics, the Wasp's already fused luminescence will drain into the zelma.
- TV2 - will also throw gifts. Plus, it can fly 5 + km, that is, outside the prescribed altitude limit.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: donavi49

He was captured not by radar, but by optical channel.

Why such a conclusion?
They just watched the result of the shooting in TOV.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: donavi49

- TV2 - will also throw gifts. Plus, it can fly 5 + km, that is, outside the prescribed altitude limit.

Bayraktarov has already shot down 25 pieces during his career. That is, this is not a small crap, but an airplane the size of an Il-2, and it is quite visible on the radar. Osa-AKM can actually work on targets with EPR in the region of 0.1 sq. This is the EPR of the Harpoon if that.
Those Wasps that were killed in the early days were exactly what were found by ultra-small / small UAVs and were killed by something like Spike in my opinion. The question is, of course, how many were mock-ups, and how many were simply dragged to the positions of the faulty ones.

[Free wind]

With joy, a little car already spat on the monitor.

[antivirus]

as they say one on the beach is not a vacationer, you need drinking companions or a lining.

the big game will decide everything. who will yield to whom and promise
and the calculations of c300 only serve for the opportunity to get to heaven

[TermNachTer]

Is it a big problem to transfer a couple of "krauhs" there? I read in the net that there is a more modern modification - so try it out in real conditions.

[NEXUS]

Quote: TermNachTER

Is it a big problem to transfer a couple of "krauhs" there? I read in the net that there is a more modern modification - so try it out in real conditions.

They are not sharpened for fighting small drones. This complex specializes in large targets such as AWACS aircraft ...
And yes, there is a more modern version of this complex, Krasukha-20.

The characteristics of the complex are classified, only some parameters are known: the range of the complex is 400 km, that is, 100 km more than that of "Krasukha-4". The main purpose of the new complex will be the American AWACS, which provide target designation for combat aircraft, including the fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35. Active jamming, induced by the complex, blocks the radiation of the powerful AWACS radar, preventing it from seeing targets and directing attack aircraft to them.

It is emphasized that during the exercise, the Krasukha-2O electronic warfare system confidently detected the Russian A-50U AWACS aircraft and "jammed" it. In terms of its characteristics, the A-50U is similar to the American E-3 Sentry.

And there is also a new complex Divnomorye-U ..

Another complex that will replace the Krasukha-4 complex is the EW Divnomorye. This multifunctional transformer station will also replace the Moscow and Krasukha-2 electronic warfare systems in the troops. The Divnomorye complex is designed to suppress radars and other on-board electronic systems of aircraft, helicopters and drones, cruise missiles, satellite radar systems, and ground systems. In addition, this complex is specially designed to suppress "flying radars" - E-3 AWACS, E-2 Hawkeye and E-8 JSTAR.

According to the developers of KRET, depending on the purpose, the complex itself chooses the type of interference and the method of their formulation. The operation of the complex is fully automated; upon detection of a target, it independently analyzes the signal, determines its type, direction and radiation power. According to the data obtained, the complex determines the performance characteristics of the object, draws up a suppression plan and independently chooses the most effective type of interference.

The complex is located on one all-terrain chassis, the radius of destruction is more than 200 km, the field of view is 360 degrees, the deployment time is 5 minutes.

[TermNachTer]

I gave "krasukha" as an example, there are electronic warfare systems that "crush" radio channels. The drones are controlled by radio. At the same time "crush" communication channels

[Tsoy]

I gave "krasukha" as an example, there are electronic warfare systems that "crush" radio channels. The drones are controlled by radio. At the same time "crush" communication channels

Yerevan had a repellent. Only he was rumored to have been destroyed in the first days of the conflict.

[TermNachTer]

Can buy. There would be desire and money.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

I gave "krasukha" as an example, there are electronic warfare systems that "crush" radio channels. The drones are controlled by radio. At the same time "crush" communication channels

Of course there is, the "repellent" was destroyed in Armenia recently, from a drone ...

And it is still not clear, there are 300, but Laura shot across the bridge Azerbaijan without any problems at all

[TermNachTer]

The bridge can be rebuilt in 3-4 hours. We need a crane, reinforced concrete beams, slabs and channel bars. Well, a team of construction workers. How much does one laura cost?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

The bridge can be rebuilt in 3-4 hours. We need a crane, reinforced concrete beams, slabs and channel bars. Well, a team of construction workers. How much does one laura cost?

The bridge after the laura does not need to be restored at all, it fell into the edge and did not significantly damage it. It would be another matter if she had hit it normally and there were several of them, it would not have been restored in a month. And with a brigade and a crane it would be the same as with tanks and wasps now happening. How much does one crane operator and a crew of workers cost?

[TermNachTer]

If grandmother had wheels, it would not be grandmother, but a tram. How much does "laura" cost and how many Azerbaijanis have to shoot with "bundles". I'm not talking about building a new bridge, but about restoring the old one, albeit damaged. Nearby there is a reinforced concrete structure, perhaps not even one, on which you can make a reinforced concrete structure of almost any shape and size. A crane with a lifting capacity of 50 tons is not a problem either. The construction crew is worth nothing at all. Do you think that Azerbaijanis, in order to interfere with the repair work, will shoot "lore" every 5 minutes?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

If grandmother had wheels, it would not be grandmother, but a tram. How much does "laura" cost and how many Azerbaijanis have to shoot with "bundles". I'm not talking about building a new bridge, but about restoring the old one, albeit damaged. Nearby there is a reinforced concrete structure, perhaps not even one, on which you can make a reinforced concrete structure of almost any shape and size. A crane with a lifting capacity of 50 tons is not a problem either. The construction crew is worth nothing at all. Do you think that Azerbaijanis, in order to interfere with the repair work, will shoot "lore" every 5 minutes?

No, they will lift one tractor and that's enough.
If the bridge's support collapses, you won't restore it at all. In my homeland in the city there is a bridge, federal, traffic on it is constant. Here it was overhauled over the course of a year, first one half, then the other. Because it is necessary that tanks could ride on it, and not lame mares. What you write is bullshit. If it is folded, it will not be restored until the end of the war.

[TermNachTer]

The width of the river in your city? Bridge carrying capacity?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

The width of the river in your city? Bridge carrying capacity?

30 m on average. The lifting capacity is Xs, you can see for yourself. Bridge from the town of Chaplygin to the village of Krivopolyane. Route from Lipetsk to Volgograd highway

[TermNachTer]

Are you fighting? Are you at war with the lop-sided line? Need to be repaired very urgently?))) We have been building bridges in Zaporozhye for 16 years, and nobody is in a hurry))) here the Turks started to build)))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

Are you fighting? Are you at war with the lop-sided line?

Ohh you have no idea how, such fights with the villagers were in childhood ...

[TermNachTer]

P. S. What kind of ammunition are you going to destroy the support?))) Monolithic reinforced concrete crap 10 X 10 X 7 meters, enlighten the blunt, do not let die in the hopeless darkness))))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

P. S. What kind of ammunition are you going to destroy the support?))) Monolithic reinforced concrete crap 10 X 10 X 7 meters, enlighten the blunt, do not let die in the hopeless darkness))))

Oha, in dreams maybe 10 meters. Judging by the fact that the bridge there is 2 lanes ...

[TermNachTer]

So what is the width of the bridge? 1,5 meters?))))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

So what is the width of the bridge? 1,5 meters?))))

Is your bridge width and support the same thing? ) Are you seriously ? ) throw pictures with supports from the Internet))

The same bridge that was repaired for a year, one canvas was dismantled, pay attention to the supports, and imagine that even at least one such bridge is not there, or it is all in a crack and does not pass through flaw detection ... no one in their right mind will let a tank on it

[TermNachTer]

And you have not tried to get into this, well, at least from 150 km. What is the probability?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: TermNachTER

And you have not tried to get into this, well, at least from 150 km. What is the probability?

A ballistic missile is problematic, the quo is large, but there are half a ton of explosives, if it hit next to or on the canvas above the support, it will not seem a little

[TermNachTer]

Well, here we are - you've seen the photo. The result is so-so, not even mediocre. Considering the cost of the rocket.

[voyaka uh]

Here is the bridge after Laura's unfortunate hit.
One concrete span was knocked down between the supports on the edge.

[TermNachTer]

How long will it take to fully recover with modern construction methods?
As far as can be seen from the photo, all the supports have survived. And how critical is such destruction for the NKAO?

[voyaka uh]

I wrote: "Laura's BAD hit"
To reliably destroy such a bridge, an air raid is needed.
Several hits of 1000 pound precision bombs on the flooring in the area of ​​concrete supports.

[TermNachTer]

Do you think an air raid is possible? If the card does not cheat, then the S-300 is very close. Where is the confidence that a thousand pounds hits will be more effective? Again, Su - 30 is also nearby, if not intercepted on the approach, then they will get it on the way out.

[voyaka uh]

I wrote in general: to destroy the bridge, you need to knock down two rows of central
supports. Then it is easier to build a new bridge than to restore the old one.
To achieve such a goal of a BR like Laura or Iskander with their 10 m KVO -
impractical.

[TermNachTer]

I agree, not the best option, but the air strike is also highly doubtful.

[yehat2]

maybe they were just shooting for good luck? one successful hit in time could have a big impact on events.

[Cyril G ...]

Or you need a volley of several items.

[Cyril G ...]

There really was no sense. Is not it?

[Uncle lee]

The very fact of the deployment of the S-300 speaks of the seriousness of the situation in the DB area.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Uncle Lee

The very fact of the deployment of the S-300 speaks of the seriousness of the situation in the DB area.

In the article in the subjunctive mood about the transfer.
It is correctly said that the Su-30SM, of which there are now 8 in the Armenian Air Force (4 more have arrived), can give the best effect with the R-77. The only question is whether they have qualified pilots and these very missiles.

[NDR-791]

After all, on the first day we brought something in by freight. Obviously do not go dry.

[garri-lin]

Li Xi Tsin will become Lisitsian. And all the cases.

[Sergey_K]

Do you really want Vanka's blood in those godforsaken lands?

[garri-lin]

I want Russia to feel free to use force in its area of ​​interest.

[FRoman1984]

I agree that it is high time for the Su-30SM to engage Armenia and prevent unpunished shooting of armored vehicles, artillery and, most importantly, people.

[uranium]

Azerbaijan beats armored vehicles on its territory. Armenia has nothing to do with it.

[Doliva63]

Quote: uran

Azerbaijan beats armored vehicles on its territory. Armenia has nothing to do with it.

But I just thought - why shouldn't they "give up": give Nakhichevan to Armenia, and Karabakh to Azerbaijan? And no one needs to fight for anything

[kava61]

I also thought the same.

[Asad]

Can you please tell me, regular patrols of the airspace by the SU-30 CM unit. Azerbaijan has nothing to shoot down except the F-16 of Turkey?

[Avior]

Or maybe Armenia's su-30 to conduct military operations in Azerbaijan without Armenia being accused of aggression and untied the Azeris' hands in striking Armenia itself?

[kava61]

When Armenia is hit, the CSTO will join.

[Avior]

If Armenia itself does not start hostilities with Azerbaijan first

[donavi49]

S-300PMU2 from Rosoboronexport. By the way, they have more divisions than the Armenians.

Buk-MB, carefully renewed by the Old Man. Compatible with 9M317, ACS Polyana, station 80K6M + brain update on all launchers.

[Cyril G ...]

They have a squadron of MiG-29 model 9-13, to what extent the avionics have been modernized, the question is interesting, and whether it has been modernized. But I saw the photo only with the R-27R / T ...

To fight them against the Su-30SM is, to put it mildly, eeee hard.

[Jacket in stock]

And what, the operators of the Armenian air defense systems will not even be able to graciously fix Azerbaijani missiles?

[Jacket in stock]

No S300 will save MLRS from a massive raid, even in conjunction with Thors, Carapaces and even Su-30mi.
The only really effective option is to destroy the launchers.

[Same lech]

The only really effective option is to destroy the launchers.

Well, why ... there is an option with false targets and constant changes in the location of deployment ... special emphasis should be placed on reconnaissance of Azerbadzhan strike weapons and keep your equipment out of the radius of destruction of these very Polonezes.

[Zaurbek]

Iskander will save from massive launches on the territory of Armenia ....

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

Iskander will save from massive launches on the territory of Armenia ....

I agree if they don't crash before

[aiden]

This will already be an attack on a member of the CSTO, since they are hectares of Armenian territory. And there, God forbid, will hook our base in Gyumri. Tomatoes will not get off

[Doliva63]

Quote: aiden

This will already be an attack on a member of the CSTO, since they are hectares of Armenian territory. And there, God forbid, will hook our base in Gyumri. Tomatoes will not get off

No, Putin will not fight with Baku, let alone Ankara. And besides the Russian Federation, there is no one from the CSTO to sign this case. But I think they will not be brought to that.

[Achilles]

Quote: Jacket in stock

No S300 will save MLRS from a massive raid, even in conjunction with Thors, Carapaces and even Su-30mi.

They will save electronic warfare systems from any swarm

[antivirus]

will save the donkey with gold
who will accept him?
who has so much gold and is ready to give it?

[svoit]

It seems that the electronic warfare is quite vulnerable to art, its position can be roughly determined, and after art it is damaged, after which the UAV is finished off

[Aleksandr123]

"They will save the electronic warfare systems, from any swarm" No, no. A cast-iron piece of iron flies with explosives. What will electronic warfare affect there?

[Tsoy]

They will save electronic warfare systems from any swarm

The Armenians had a Repellent that didn't even save them. The complex is just for countering small UAVs. Rumored to be destroyed. Electronic warfare is not omnipotent.

[TermNachTer]

It depends on how much and what kind of C - 300 will be)))

[parusnik]

It would be better if the parties sat down at the negotiating table

[Same lech]

It would be better if the parties sat down at the negotiating table

Dreaming is not harmful ... the Turks will interfere with this with all their might.

[parusnik]

I wish that common sense would prevail, and insanity disappeared ... There is plenty of it in the world anyway ...

[uranium]

We negotiated for 27 years. Thanks to the little magpie, Pashinyan thwarted the negotiations with his statements. "Karabakh is Armenia and the point is" new war, new territories "language needs to be monitored.

[Otshelnik]

30 years sitting

[yuliatreb]

Systems for destroying the positions of S-300 air defense systems were delivered from Israel on a military plane to Baku for the Azerbaijani military.
Reporting today about this with reference to its sources, the Avia.pro edition clarifies that this weapon, presumably the Harpy mobile complex, was donated free of charge. The goal is to test it in real combat conditions.
Based on the data received, Israeli engineers will try to create a new weapon capable of countering the more advanced S-400 air defense systems, Russian-made, which Israel's Arab neighbors, and especially Iran, intend to acquire. Since it is believed in the West that the principle of operation in both complexes is very similar.
According to reports, the "Harpy" is a system of 10 kamikaze drones aiming at the target using the enemy's air defense radar beams.

This is already from Internet news resources.

[rotkiv04]

Things are happening, the former republics supply weapons so that the same former ones destroy each other (this also applies to Russia), 40 years ago I would not have believed, but how it comes out, business and nothing personal

[COLORADO73]

Maybe the Pentagon should send B52 bombers to Nagorno-Karabakh? It seems that they were already bombing mountainous Afghanistan! There the geography is very similar!

[Grandfather]

Quote: KOLORADO73

Maybe the Pentagon should send B52 bombers to Nagorno-Karabakh? It seems that they were already bombing mountainous Afghanistan! There the geography is very similar!

maybe along the Rocky Mountains, in the states?

[Cyril G ...]

No, they will be needed in the USA, in a couple of months they will bomb Florida or Arizona .... That's how it goes.

[Pavel57]

Quote: NDR-791

After all, on the first day we brought something in by freight. Obviously do not go dry.

There was talk about the S-300V.

[zyablik.olga]

Damantsev, as always, "burns with napalm" ":

Anti-aircraft guided missiles 5В55Р, equipped semi-active radar seeker ...

- Further this nonsense can not be read. SAM 5V55R have radio command guidance system, with target tracking through a missile.

[Fulcrumxnumx]

The radio command guidance system is used in the 5V55K version of the missiles, the 5V55R are equipped with PARGSN. I advise you to remember ... http: //pvo.guns.ru/s300p/index_s300pt.htm

[KKND]

That Eugene is so "burnt" that he could not stand it and decided to "fight" with the woman in the comments? Why don't you "go down" in the comments, when, about your articles, a huge number of "members of the forum" write in plain text that your articles are "nonsense"? Isn't this "royal" business?

[Ali]

KKND. You're not right! Each has its own zest in writing material, including Damantsev!

[Bongo]

Quote: Ali

You're not right! Each has its own zest in writing material, including Damantsev!

Well, why don't you correct Eugene regarding the 5V55R missile defense system? Or do you also think that this rocket has a semi-active radar head?

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: KKND

That Eugene is so "burnt" that he could not stand it and decided to "fight" with the woman in the comments? Why don't you "go down" in the comments, when, about your articles, a huge number of "members of the forum" write in plain text that your articles are "nonsense"? Isn't this "royal" business?

The point is apparently that Damantsev, in most cases, simply has nothing to say. This author would write fantasy novels in the spirit of Tom Clancy. Moreover, Damantsev removed the most illiterate and compromising comments from his profile. In the past, authors have had this opportunity.

[Bongo]

Quote: Fulcrum29

The radio command guidance system is used in the 5V55K version of the missiles, 5V55R are equipped with PARGSN. I advise you to remember ...

Before giving advice, please study the material part. You are no longer an authority on the Military Review, and besides, you have not even served in the armed forces.
For some reason I trust my knowledge more.
As a method of guiding the 5V55R missile to the target, an improved radio command a method that combines radio command guidance at the initial and middle sections of the trajectory with the method of "tracking a target through a missile" at the final one. Guidance commands for the 5V55R missile are generated according to the coordinates of the target and the missile, measured by the RPN, and according to the target tracking data by the airborne radar sighting system of the SAM.

[Tsoy]

Damantsev, as always, "burns with napalm" ":

And as for me it is blown away. And the article is short, and there are no more than 5 pearls, and the abbreviations are only a tenth of the old one. Talent dries up or there was simply no inspiration.

[Pavel57]

Quote: zyablik.olga

Further this nonsense can not be read.

Why, and neighing?
5V55K - radio command guidance on command from radar illumination / guidance.
5В55Р - semi-active guidance; Target illumination is provided by an external radar

[Bongo]

Quote: Pavel57

5В55Р - semi-active guidance; Target illumination is provided by an external radar

What are you? What are you willing to argue that the S-300PS air defense system uses a radio command method with target tracking through a rocket?

[outsider]

- And where is the active radar seeker ?! In developing"?!

[Bongo]

Quote: Outsider

And where is the active radar seeker ?!

Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs .. We're talking about the S-300PT-1 / PS, not the S-400.

[JonnyT]

Yes, they will be carried out by a massive attack.

Moreover, Israel and the United States really want to test their systems and tactics for the destruction of Russian air defense.

If Armenia is defeated, or rather its air defense. Then wait for the vultures already over our heads, and they will also try to destroy us from drones

[kava61]

We have already tried in Syria, it does not work.

[outsider]

- What is "not working"?

[SovAr238A]

it is already broken in fact ...

[yehat2]

it is necessary to start not with patrolling, but with a qualitatively better disguise.
probably, 70 percent of Azerbaijan's air strikes come only because the camouflage was carried out clumsily.

[outsider]

- Not from "disguise", but from patrolling their theater fighters. With full-scale radar control of theater airspace... There is no difficulty in shooting down the Bayraktar for the MiG-29 ...

[MKPU-115]

Quote: JonnyT

Then wait for the vultures already over our heads, and they will also try to destroy us from drones

Sorry for the question, but who is it over your heads?

[Runway]

Today there was a "hail" in Stepanakert. What srdn / A-50 and aerospace weapons can we talk about?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Bongo

Does the S-300PS air defense system use a radio command method with target tracking through a rocket?

If like on the Patriot, then Yes.

Guidance of the MIM-104 missile at the target is carried out by radio command control from the ground using the Track-Via-Missile - TVM (tracking through the missile) method. The flying missile receives the signal from the ground radar reflected from the target and retransmits it via a one-way communication channel to the command post. Since the rocket in flight is always closer to the target than the radar accompanying the target, the signal reflected from the target is received by the rocket more efficiently, which provides greater accuracy and more effective countering interference. Thus, the emitter of the guidance radar operates at two receiving stations: the receiver of the radar itself and the receiver of the rocket. The control computer compares the data received from the ground-based radar and from the missile itself and develops corrections to the trajectory, directing the missile to the target.

This requires ground illumination of the target, which essentially comes close to semi-active guidance.

[Bongo]

Quote: Pavel57

If like on the Patriot, then Yes.

My offer remains valid:

Quote: Bongo

What are you willing to bet that the S-300PS air defense system uses the radio command method with target tracking through a rocket?

Are you afraid to lose, or do you still admit that radio command guidance with "escort through a rocket" and semi-active radar guidance are not the same thing?

[Cyril G ...]

RKTU (radio command telecontrol) of the second type. Naturally, not the same thing with semi-active guidance.

[impostor]

“Representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan said that the Azerbaijani bombing caused significant damage to the NKR civil infrastructure and the Rescue Service. To destroy the bridge, the Azerbaijanis used the LORA OTRK made in Israel. According to the IAI (Israel Aerospace Industries - Israeli military concern), the solid-fuel LORA rocket has a mass of 1,6 tons and a maximum firing range of 400 km. The missile is equipped with a combined targeting system - inertial with satellite correction via GPS. The declared circular probable deviation is 10 m, ”the Russian news outlet“ Reporter ”reports.
More details at: https://avia.pro/news/izrailskie-ballisticheskie-rakety-nanesli-udar-po-nagornomu-karabahu-opublikovano-pervoe-video

[aiden]

The Armenians have Iskander. Can and beat on the General Staff

[Igor Litvin]

Quote: The same Lech

The only really effective option is to destroy the launchers.

Well, why ... there is an option with false targets and constant changes in the location of deployment ... special emphasis should be placed on reconnaissance of Azerbadzhan strike weapons and keep your equipment out of the radius of destruction of these very Polonezes.

Are you sure there is no Polonaise M there? Then the geography of Armenia may not be enough ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: Bongo

Are you afraid to lose, or do you still admit that radio command guidance with "escort through a rocket" and semi-active radar guidance are not the same thing?

This is something in between. Since there is an illumination station and an RGS, but the guidance algorithms are formed outside the rocket.

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Pavel57

This is something in between. Since there is an illumination station and an RGS, but the guidance algorithms are formed outside the rocket.

Aiming commands are given from outside - that is, it is radio command guidance. As for the "illumination station", I consulted a little with my husband. He laughed, said that the SNR-75 (S-75 air defense missile system), the guidance station also constantly accompanied the target, or we can say that it "illuminated". Semi-active guidance with the help of the ROC was carried out on the S-200 air defense system. Now this method is used in Buk and S-300PM. But the S-300PS uses radio command method with sighting through a rocket. But not as Damantsev writes;

Anti-aircraft guided missiles 5В55Р, equipped semi-active radar seeker...

And you with your comment:

Quote: Pavel57

5V55R - semi-active guidance

- very much in a hurry.

[Pavel57]

Olga, I'm ready to agree with you that missile guidance and semi-active homing are not the same thing. But also, this is not purely command guidance. It is correct to consider it as an independent way to control missiles.

[Ali]

Quote: Bongo (Sergey)

As a method of guiding the 5V55R missile to the target, it is used advanced radio command methodconsisting in combination of radio command guidance on the initial and middle sections of the trajectory with method "tracking a target through a missile" at the final... Guidance commands for the 5V55R missile are generated according to the coordinates of the target and the missile, measured by the RPN, and according to the target tracking data by the airborne radar sighting system of the SAM.

Quote: Pavel57

It is correct to consider it as an independent way to control missiles.

Pavel57. You're right! Bongo (Sergey) is wrong! it combined control method, not purely radio command:
http://xn----7sbb5ahj4aiadq2m.xn--p1ai/guide/army/bp/5v55.shtml

[Bongo]

Quote: Ali

Pavel57. You're right! Bongo (Sergey) is wrong! This is a combined control method, not a purely radio command one:

As you were I. Vasya, you stayed Where did I say it was "purely radio command"? Or the text you read is not absorbed by you?

Quote: Bongo

As a method of guiding the 5V55R missile to the target, it is used advanced radio command method, consisting in the combination of radio command guidance at the initial and middle sections of the trajectory with the method "tracking a target through a rocket"at the end.

It was originally about this:

Quote: zyablik.olga

SAM 5V55R have a radio command guidance system, with target tracking through a rocket.

Damantsev confirmed that semi-active radar guidance was used in the 5V55R missile defense system. Or is your common sense very tight?

[Bongo]

Quote: Pavel57

But also, this is not purely command guidance. It is correct to consider it as an independent way to control missiles

Here I agree with you. But from the very beginning Olya wrote the following:

Quote: zyablik.olga

SAM 5V55R have a radio command guidance system, with target tracking through a rocket.

Where is it said about a purely radio command hovering?

[Oleg Bikmukhamedov]

most Armenians in Russia make money! they absolutely do not care what Azerbaijan and Turkey are doing! this is an objective factor that I have personally confirmed in conversations and personal communication with the Armenians who have been working in Russia for many years! The paradox is true! Nobody wants to fight! the question is, why bring our military units to full readiness? (for example, an airborne division in Novorossiysk?)

[Python 57]

S-300s cover objects in the depths of Armenia. They are not in Karabakh. Attacking these complexes or the objects it covers is an invitation to war on Russia. On the side of Armenia. Neither Baku nor Ankara has gone crazy yet.

[Imperial Technocrat]

The air defense will be repelled, but you still need to strike back, and not just defend. It is necessary to preemptively destroy the dam, warehouses, command posts, airfields and accumulations of equipment by the Iskander

[Alexey-74]

We need an echeloned multistage air defense / missile defense system and air cover, and of course qualified personnel.

[yehat2]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

outside the radius of destruction of these same Poloneses.

this condition is poorly met in such a small area

[yehat2]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

outside the radius of destruction of these same Poloneses.

this condition is poorly met in such a small area

[yehat2]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

outside the radius of destruction of these same Poloneses.

this condition is poorly met in such a small area