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The combat crews of the S-300PT / PS of the Armenian Air Defense Forces are preparing for the worst-case scenario. What is fraught with the involvement of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces with ballistic missiles LORA and KR SOM-1B?

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The combat crews of the S-300PT / PS of the Armenian Air Defense Forces are preparing for the worst-case scenario. What is fraught with the involvement of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces with ballistic missiles LORA and KR SOM-1B?

Against the background of a noticeable complication of the operational-tactical situation in all sectors of the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, as well as every day more and more pronounced positioning of Ankara as a key party to the Karabakh conflict for the Ministry of Defense of Armenia and the command of the NKR JSC, the issue of the effectiveness of those several anti-aircraft missile divisions S-300PT / PS, which, according to competent sources, could be transferred to the area of ​​Khankendi airport (Stepanakert).


The answer to this question is hidden both in the terrain of this theater of military operations, and in the features of the semi-active radar principle of guidance of 5V55R anti-aircraft missiles, used in the weapons control systems of anti-aircraft missile systems of the S-300PT / PS line. So, in the case of the deployment of S-300PT / PS divisions (including antenna posts 5N63-1 / C with radars for illumination and guidance 30N6E) in the low-plain areas of the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, combat crews of the Armenian "three hundred" will be able to intercept only those airborne - a space attack by the Azerbaijani and Turkish air forces, which will approach the target areas along ballistic (at a dive angle of no more than 64 degrees) and flat trajectories running in the coverage area of ​​the illumination and guidance radars 30N6E.

The tactically verified dispersion of the S-300PT / PS anti-aircraft missile divisions in the future will provide cover for the units of the Army of Armenia and the NKR JSC from the operational-tactical ballistic missiles LORA and guided missiles of the MLRS "Polonez"


The list of such objects can be considered, firstly, 301-mm long-range guided missiles of the high-precision MLRS "Polonez", which are regularly supplied to the ground forces of Azerbaijan within the framework of multimillion-dollar defense contracts between Baku and Minsk, and secondly, operational-tactical ballistic missiles (OTBR) LORA, developed by the Israeli aerospace corporation "Israel Aerospace Industries" and entered service with artillery brigades of the Azerbaijan Army in 2018. At the same time, the interception of operational-tactical ballistic missiles LORA can be implemented only in the case of territorial dispersal of two and / or more S-300PT / PS divisions at a distance of about 7 km from each other to cover the "dead craters" (obscure elevation view sectors) above the illumination radars 30N6E, after all, according to advertising infographics from IAI, the terminal section of the LORA OTBR trajectory has an angle of inclination of the order of 88-90 degrees, not covered by the S-300PT / PS / PM1 / 2 air defense systems.

As for low-altitude air attack weapons, including Turkish and Azerbaijani kamikaze drones, F-16C Block 50+ multipurpose fighters operating in terrain enveloping mode, as well as SOM-1B stealth cruise missiles (designed by the Turkish company Roketsan in cooperation with SEC "TUBITAK SAGE"), "creeping" to targets at ultra-low altitudes from 20 to 50 m, then the process of their early destruction by means of "three hundred" in the elevated terrain of Karabakh will be very difficult even if target designation to points of combat 5Н63С controls will be issued by the RLDN A-50U aircraft operating over Gyumri, coupled with the automated control system of the Polyana-D4M1 anti-aircraft missile brigade via a secure radio channel for exchanging tactical information. Why?

Anti-aircraft guided missiles 5В55Р, equipped with semi-active radar seeker, which need continuous target illumination up to the operation of the radio fuse and the initiation of the warhead, are unable to intercept enemy air targets located outside the radio horizon, as well as periodically "diving into the shadows" of the hills, hills and numerous branches of the Karabakh ...

In this situation, regular patrolling of the airspace of Armenia and the NKR by the Su-30SM unit will be most effective, which is capable of both dominating in long-range air battles over the occasionally used Turkish F-16C Block 50+, and intercepting the SOM-1B cruise missiles purchased by the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry thanks to the powerful and anti-jamming airborne PFAR radar N011M "Bars-R" (detecting a target with an image intensifier tube of 0,1 sq. m at a distance of 70-75 km) and long-range air-to-air missiles RVV-SD, whose flight performance parameters significantly exceed the performance of the AIM-120C-5/7 AMRAAM air combat missiles in service with the Turkish Air Force.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 October 2020 04: 43 New
    21
    As they say, one is not a warrior in the field. The S-300, without the cover of other air defense systems, such as Torah, Pantsiri, etc., electronic warfare systems, will become easy prey for both enemy aircraft and kamikaze UAVs, for the destruction of which the S-300 is not stupidly designed.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 October 2020 05: 31 New
      22
      The tactically verified dispersion of the S-300PT / PS anti-aircraft missile divisions in the future will provide cover for the units of the Army of Armenia and the NKR JSC from the operational-tactical ballistic missiles LORA and guided missiles MLRS "Polonez"
      Seriously ? a pair of MLRS "Polonaise" fires a volley of 16 high-speed missiles ... vaguely imagine their "interception" with the help of S-300PT / PS. what
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 2 October 2020 06: 22 New
      +6
      The combat crews of the S-300PT / PS of the Armenian Air Defense Forces are preparing for the worst-case scenario. What is fraught with the involvement of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces with ballistic missiles LORA and KR SOM-1B?

      While journalists and politicians argue "how it will be", real combat launches of S-300 have already become an objective reality.

      Armenian media report that S-300 air defense systems are firing in the area of ​​Yerevan.
      According to Pashinyan, in the region of Kotayk and Gegharkunik, the air defense unit of Yerevan shot down 3 out of 4 drones that invaded the airspace of Armenia.






      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 2 October 2020 07: 10 New
        +3
        great video, cameraman is brilliant ... gee ... winked
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 2 October 2020 08: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Dead Day
          great video, cameraman is brilliant ... gee ...

          Simple casual eyewitnesses to launches with mobile phones. What drama and special effects can you expect from the footage in this case?

          Here is another video with the operation of the Osa-AKM calculation recently called "ineffective"
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 2 October 2020 08: 46 New
            +7
            This is the Orbiter (about 20 kg of takeoff weight) - he is just a scout, that is, he flies and looks. He was captured not by radar, but by optical channel.

            Total:
            - The Orbiter most likely opened them.
            - The wasp found it visually, that is, at the level of twist to 240 and look in that sector, and now through the optical station they found it.

            In this case:
            - The thing of the 21st century - Harop, simply won't give so much time. By the time it is found by optics, the Wasp's already fused luminescence will drain into the zelma.
            - TV2 - will also throw gifts. Plus, it can fly 5 + km, that is, outside the prescribed altitude limit.
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 7 October 2020 09: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: donavi49
              He was captured not by radar, but by optical channel.

              Why such a conclusion?
              They just watched the result of the shooting in TOV.
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 17: 35 New
              0
              Quote: donavi49
              - TV2 - will also throw gifts. Plus, it can fly 5 + km, that is, outside the prescribed altitude limit.

              Bayraktarov has already shot down 25 pieces during his career. That is, this is not a small crap, but an airplane the size of an Il-2, and it is quite visible on the radar. Osa-AKM can actually work on targets with EPR in the region of 0.1 sq. This is the EPR of the Harpoon if that.
              Those Wasps that were killed in the early days were exactly what were found by ultra-small / small UAVs and were killed by something like Spike in my opinion. The question is, of course, how many were mock-ups, and how many were simply dragged to the positions of the faulty ones.
          2. Free wind
            Free wind 2 October 2020 11: 57 New
            -1
            With joy, a little car already spat on the monitor. wassat
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 2 October 2020 08: 03 New
      -1
      as they say one on the beach is not a vacationer, you need drinking companions or a lining.

      the big game will decide everything. who will yield to whom and promise
      and the calculations of c300 only serve for the opportunity to get to heaven
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 2 October 2020 17: 35 New
      -2
      Is it a big problem to transfer a couple of "krauhs" there? I read in the net that there is a more modern modification - so try it out in real conditions.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 2 October 2020 18: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Is it a big problem to transfer a couple of "krauhs" there? I read in the net that there is a more modern modification - so try it out in real conditions.

        They are not sharpened for fighting small drones. This complex specializes in large targets such as AWACS aircraft ...
        And yes, there is a more modern version of this complex, Krasukha-20.
        The characteristics of the complex are classified, only some parameters are known: the range of the complex is 400 km, that is, 100 km more than that of "Krasukha-4". The main purpose of the new complex will be the American AWACS, which provide target designation for combat aircraft, including the fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35. Active jamming, induced by the complex, blocks the radiation of the powerful AWACS radar, preventing it from seeing targets and directing attack aircraft to them.

        It is emphasized that during the exercise, the Krasukha-2O electronic warfare system confidently detected the Russian A-50U AWACS aircraft and "jammed" it. In terms of its characteristics, the A-50U is similar to the American E-3 Sentry.

        And there is also a new complex Divnomorye-U ..
        Another complex that will replace the Krasukha-4 complex is the EW Divnomorye. This multifunctional transformer station will also replace the Moscow and Krasukha-2 electronic warfare systems in the troops. The Divnomorye complex is designed to suppress radars and other on-board electronic systems of aircraft, helicopters and drones, cruise missiles, satellite radar systems, and ground systems. In addition, this complex is specially designed to suppress "flying radars" - E-3 AWACS, E-2 Hawkeye and E-8 JSTAR.

        According to the developers of KRET, depending on the purpose, the complex itself chooses the type of interference and the method of their formulation. The operation of the complex is fully automated; upon detection of a target, it independently analyzes the signal, determines its type, direction and radiation power. According to the data obtained, the complex determines the performance characteristics of the object, draws up a suppression plan and independently chooses the most effective type of interference.

        The complex is located on one all-terrain chassis, the radius of destruction is more than 200 km, the field of view is 360 degrees, the deployment time is 5 minutes.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 2 October 2020 19: 27 New
          +3
          I gave "krasukha" as an example, there are electronic warfare systems that "crush" radio channels. The drones are controlled by radio. At the same time "crush" communication channels
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 3 October 2020 14: 43 New
            +2
            I gave "krasukha" as an example, there are electronic warfare systems that "crush" radio channels. The drones are controlled by radio. At the same time "crush" communication channels


            Yerevan had a repellent. Only he was rumored to have been destroyed in the first days of the conflict.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 3 October 2020 16: 12 New
              0
              Can buy. There would be desire and money.
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 4 October 2020 11: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: TermNachTER
            I gave "krasukha" as an example, there are electronic warfare systems that "crush" radio channels. The drones are controlled by radio. At the same time "crush" communication channels

            Of course there is, the "repellent" was destroyed in Armenia recently, from a drone ...

            And it is still not clear, there are 300, but Laura shot across the bridge Azerbaijan without any problems at all
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 4 October 2020 12: 08 New
              +1
              The bridge can be rebuilt in 3-4 hours. We need a crane, reinforced concrete beams, slabs and channel bars. Well, a team of construction workers. How much does one laura cost?
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 4 October 2020 13: 02 New
                -1
                Quote: TermNachTER
                The bridge can be rebuilt in 3-4 hours. We need a crane, reinforced concrete beams, slabs and channel bars. Well, a team of construction workers. How much does one laura cost?

                The bridge after the laura does not need to be restored at all, it fell into the edge and did not significantly damage it. It would be another matter if she had hit it normally and there were several of them, it would not have been restored in a month. And with a brigade and a crane it would be the same as with tanks and wasps now happening. How much does one crane operator and a crew of workers cost?
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 4 October 2020 13: 33 New
                  0
                  If grandmother had wheels, it would not be grandmother, but a tram. How much does "laura" cost and how many Azerbaijanis have to shoot with "bundles". I'm not talking about building a new bridge, but about restoring the old one, albeit damaged. Nearby there is a reinforced concrete structure, perhaps not even one, on which you can make a reinforced concrete structure of almost any shape and size. A crane with a lifting capacity of 50 tons is not a problem either. The construction crew is worth nothing at all. Do you think that Azerbaijanis, in order to interfere with the repair work, will shoot "lore" every 5 minutes?
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 4 October 2020 13: 51 New
                    -1
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    If grandmother had wheels, it would not be grandmother, but a tram. How much does "laura" cost and how many Azerbaijanis have to shoot with "bundles". I'm not talking about building a new bridge, but about restoring the old one, albeit damaged. Nearby there is a reinforced concrete structure, perhaps not even one, on which you can make a reinforced concrete structure of almost any shape and size. A crane with a lifting capacity of 50 tons is not a problem either. The construction crew is worth nothing at all. Do you think that Azerbaijanis, in order to interfere with the repair work, will shoot "lore" every 5 minutes?

                    No, they will lift one tractor and that's enough.
                    If the bridge's support collapses, you won't restore it at all. In my homeland in the city there is a bridge, federal, traffic on it is constant. Here it was overhauled over the course of a year, first one half, then the other. Because it is necessary that tanks could ride on it, and not lame mares. What you write is bullshit. If it is folded, it will not be restored until the end of the war.
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 4 October 2020 17: 19 New
                      0
                      The width of the river in your city? Bridge carrying capacity?
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 4 October 2020 17: 41 New
                        -1
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        The width of the river in your city? Bridge carrying capacity?

                        30 m on average. The lifting capacity is Xs, you can see for yourself. Bridge from the town of Chaplygin to the village of Krivopolyane. Route from Lipetsk to Volgograd highway
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 4 October 2020 17: 50 New
                        0
                        Are you fighting? Are you at war with the lop-sided line? Need to be repaired very urgently?))) We have been building bridges in Zaporozhye for 16 years, and nobody is in a hurry))) here the Turks started to build)))
                      3. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 4 October 2020 19: 11 New
                        -1
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Are you fighting? Are you at war with the lop-sided line?


                        Ohh you have no idea how, such fights with the villagers were in childhood ...
                2. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 4 October 2020 17: 32 New
                  0
                  P. S. What kind of ammunition are you going to destroy the support?))) Monolithic reinforced concrete crap 10 X 10 X 7 meters, enlighten the blunt, do not let die in the hopeless darkness))))
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 4 October 2020 17: 42 New
                    -1
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    P. S. What kind of ammunition are you going to destroy the support?))) Monolithic reinforced concrete crap 10 X 10 X 7 meters, enlighten the blunt, do not let die in the hopeless darkness))))

                    Oha, in dreams maybe 10 meters. Judging by the fact that the bridge there is 2 lanes ...
                  2. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 4 October 2020 17: 47 New
                    0
                    So what is the width of the bridge? 1,5 meters?))))
                  3. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 4 October 2020 19: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    So what is the width of the bridge? 1,5 meters?))))

                    Is your bridge width and support the same thing? ) Are you seriously ? ) throw pictures with supports from the Internet))


                    The same bridge that was repaired for a year, one canvas was dismantled, pay attention to the supports, and imagine that even at least one such bridge is not there, or it is all in a crack and does not pass through flaw detection ... no one in their right mind will let a tank on it
                  4. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 4 October 2020 20: 13 New
                    0
                    And you have not tried to get into this, well, at least from 150 km. What is the probability?
                  5. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 4 October 2020 21: 28 New
                    0
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    And you have not tried to get into this, well, at least from 150 km. What is the probability?

                    A ballistic missile is problematic, the quo is large, but there are half a ton of explosives, if it hit next to or on the canvas above the support, it will not seem a little
                  6. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 4 October 2020 22: 33 New
                    0
                    Well, here we are - you've seen the photo. The result is so-so, not even mediocre. Considering the cost of the rocket.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 October 2020 19: 17 New
          +1
          Here is the bridge after Laura's unfortunate hit.
          One concrete span was knocked down between the supports on the edge.
        3. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 October 2020 09: 53 New
          0
          How long will it take to fully recover with modern construction methods?
          As far as can be seen from the photo, all the supports have survived. And how critical is such destruction for the NKAO?
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 October 2020 12: 26 New
          +2
          I wrote: "Laura's BAD hit"
          To reliably destroy such a bridge, an air raid is needed.
          Several hits of 1000 pound precision bombs on the flooring in the area of ​​concrete supports.
        5. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 October 2020 12: 50 New
          0
          Do you think an air raid is possible? If the card does not cheat, then the S-300 is very close. Where is the confidence that a thousand pounds hits will be more effective? Again, Su - 30 is also nearby, if not intercepted on the approach, then they will get it on the way out.
        6. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 October 2020 12: 57 New
          +1
          I wrote in general: to destroy the bridge, you need to knock down two rows of central
          supports. Then it is easier to build a new bridge than to restore the old one.
          To achieve such a goal of a BR like Laura or Iskander with their 10 m KVO -
          impractical.
        7. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 October 2020 13: 04 New
          0
          I agree, not the best option, but the air strike is also highly doubtful.
        8. yehat2
          yehat2 7 October 2020 16: 29 New
          0
          maybe they were just shooting for good luck? one successful hit in time could have a big impact on events.
        9. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 17: 39 New
          0
          Or you need a volley of several items.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 17: 37 New
    0
    There really was no sense. Is not it?
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 2 October 2020 04: 58 New
    +1
    The very fact of the deployment of the S-300 speaks of the seriousness of the situation in the DB area.
    1. FRoman1984
      FRoman1984 2 October 2020 05: 13 New
      +8
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The very fact of the deployment of the S-300 speaks of the seriousness of the situation in the DB area.

      In the article in the subjunctive mood about the transfer.
      It is correctly said that the Su-30SM, of which there are now 8 in the Armenian Air Force (4 more have arrived), can give the best effect with the R-77. The only question is whether they have qualified pilots and these very missiles.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 October 2020 06: 09 New
        +7
        After all, on the first day we brought something in by freight. Obviously do not go dry.
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      3. garri-lin
        garri-lin 3 October 2020 02: 35 New
        +2
        Li Xi Tsin will become Lisitsian. And all the cases.
        1. Sergey_K
          Sergey_K 4 October 2020 00: 05 New
          0
          Do you really want Vanka's blood in those godforsaken lands?
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 4 October 2020 08: 06 New
            +2
            I want Russia to feel free to use force in its area of ​​interest.
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 2 October 2020 05: 15 New
    +6
    I agree that it is high time for the Su-30SM to engage Armenia and prevent unpunished shooting of armored vehicles, artillery and, most importantly, people.
    1. uranium
      uranium 2 October 2020 07: 15 New
      -14 qualifying.
      Azerbaijan beats armored vehicles on its territory. Armenia has nothing to do with it.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 2 October 2020 19: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: uran
        Azerbaijan beats armored vehicles on its territory. Armenia has nothing to do with it.

        But I just thought - why shouldn't they "give up": give Nakhichevan to Armenia, and Karabakh to Azerbaijan? And no one needs to fight for anything recourse
        1. kava61
          kava61 3 October 2020 03: 58 New
          +1
          I also thought the same.
  • Asad
    Asad 2 October 2020 05: 19 New
    0
    Can you please tell me, regular patrols of the airspace by the SU-30 CM unit. Azerbaijan has nothing to shoot down except the F-16 of Turkey?
    1. Avior
      Avior 2 October 2020 08: 38 New
      +6
      Or maybe Armenia's su-30 to conduct military operations in Azerbaijan without Armenia being accused of aggression and untied the Azeris' hands in striking Armenia itself?
      1. kava61
        kava61 3 October 2020 03: 59 New
        0
        When Armenia is hit, the CSTO will join.
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 October 2020 07: 24 New
          0
          If Armenia itself does not start hostilities with Azerbaijan first
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 2 October 2020 08: 51 New
      +6
      S-300PMU2 from Rosoboronexport. By the way, they have more divisions than the Armenians.

      Buk-MB, carefully renewed by the Old Man. Compatible with 9M317, ACS Polyana, station 80K6M + brain update on all launchers.

    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 17: 46 New
      0
      They have a squadron of MiG-29 model 9-13, to what extent the avionics have been modernized, the question is interesting, and whether it has been modernized. But I saw the photo only with the R-27R / T ...

      To fight them against the Su-30SM is, to put it mildly, eeee hard.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 October 2020 05: 30 New
    +2
    And what, the operators of the Armenian air defense systems will not even be able to graciously fix Azerbaijani missiles?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 October 2020 05: 39 New
    13
    No S300 will save MLRS from a massive raid, even in conjunction with Thors, Carapaces and even Su-30mi.
    The only really effective option is to destroy the launchers.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 October 2020 05: 56 New
      +2
      The only really effective option is to destroy the launchers.

      Well, why ... there is an option with false targets and constant changes in the location of deployment ... special emphasis should be placed on reconnaissance of Azerbadzhan strike weapons and keep your equipment out of the radius of destruction of these very Polonezes.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 October 2020 06: 47 New
      12
      Iskander will save from massive launches on the territory of Armenia ....
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 2 October 2020 19: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Iskander will save from massive launches on the territory of Armenia ....

        I agree if they don't crash before wassat
        1. aiden
          aiden 2 October 2020 19: 57 New
          -1
          This will already be an attack on a member of the CSTO, since they are hectares of Armenian territory. And there, God forbid, will hook our base in Gyumri. Tomatoes will not get off
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 2 October 2020 20: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: aiden
            This will already be an attack on a member of the CSTO, since they are hectares of Armenian territory. And there, God forbid, will hook our base in Gyumri. Tomatoes will not get off

            No, Putin will not fight with Baku, let alone Ankara. And besides the Russian Federation, there is no one from the CSTO to sign this case. But I think they will not be brought to that.
    3. Achilles
      Achilles 2 October 2020 07: 24 New
      -7
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      No S300 will save MLRS from a massive raid, even in conjunction with Thors, Carapaces and even Su-30mi.

      They will save electronic warfare systems from any swarm
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 2 October 2020 08: 12 New
        +2
        will save the donkey with gold
        who will accept him?
        who has so much gold and is ready to give it?
      2. svoit
        svoit 2 October 2020 09: 48 New
        +2
        It seems that the electronic warfare is quite vulnerable to art, its position can be roughly determined, and after art it is damaged, after which the UAV is finished off
      3. Aleksandr123
        Aleksandr123 2 October 2020 15: 43 New
        0
        "They will save the electronic warfare systems, from any swarm" No, no. A cast-iron piece of iron flies with explosives. What will electronic warfare affect there?
      4. Tsoy
        Tsoy 3 October 2020 14: 52 New
        +1
        They will save electronic warfare systems from any swarm


        The Armenians had a Repellent that didn't even save them. The complex is just for countering small UAVs. Rumored to be destroyed. Electronic warfare is not omnipotent.
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 2 October 2020 17: 37 New
      0
      It depends on how much and what kind of C - 300 will be)))
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 October 2020 05: 43 New
    +8
    It would be better if the parties sat down at the negotiating table
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 October 2020 05: 56 New
      +4
      It would be better if the parties sat down at the negotiating table

      smile Dreaming is not harmful ... the Turks will interfere with this with all their might.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 October 2020 06: 00 New
        +4
        I wish that common sense would prevail, and insanity disappeared ... There is plenty of it in the world anyway ...
    2. uranium
      uranium 2 October 2020 07: 20 New
      10
      We negotiated for 27 years. Thanks to the little magpie, Pashinyan thwarted the negotiations with his statements. "Karabakh is Armenia and the point is" new war, new territories "language needs to be monitored.
    3. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 2 October 2020 09: 24 New
      +3
      30 years sitting
  • yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 2 October 2020 05: 44 New
    +4
    Systems for destroying the positions of S-300 air defense systems were delivered from Israel on a military plane to Baku for the Azerbaijani military.
    Reporting today about this with reference to its sources, the Avia.pro edition clarifies that this weapon, presumably the Harpy mobile complex, was donated free of charge. The goal is to test it in real combat conditions.
    Based on the data received, Israeli engineers will try to create a new weapon capable of countering the more advanced S-400 air defense systems, Russian-made, which Israel's Arab neighbors, and especially Iran, intend to acquire. Since it is believed in the West that the principle of operation in both complexes is very similar.
    According to reports, the "Harpy" is a system of 10 kamikaze drones aiming at the target using the enemy's air defense radar beams.

    This is already from Internet news resources.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 2 October 2020 07: 48 New
    +8
    Things are happening, the former republics supply weapons so that the same former ones destroy each other (this also applies to Russia), 40 years ago I would not have believed, but how it comes out, business and nothing personal
  • KOLORADO73
    KOLORADO73 2 October 2020 07: 48 New
    -8
    Maybe the Pentagon should send B52 bombers to Nagorno-Karabakh? It seems that they were already bombing mountainous Afghanistan! There the geography is very similar!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 October 2020 08: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: KOLORADO73
      Maybe the Pentagon should send B52 bombers to Nagorno-Karabakh? It seems that they were already bombing mountainous Afghanistan! There the geography is very similar!

      maybe along the Rocky Mountains, in the states?
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 17: 53 New
      0
      No, they will be needed in the USA, in a couple of months they will bomb Florida or Arizona .... That's how it goes.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 October 2020 07: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: NDR-791
    After all, on the first day we brought something in by freight. Obviously do not go dry.

    There was talk about the S-300V.
  • zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 2 October 2020 08: 06 New
    +9
    Damantsev, as always, "burns with napalm" ":
    Anti-aircraft guided missiles 5В55Р, equipped semi-active radar seeker ...
    - wassat Further this nonsense can not be read. SAM 5V55R have radio command guidance system, with target tracking through a missile.
    1. Fulcrumxnumx
      2 October 2020 11: 23 New
      +1
      The radio command guidance system is used in the 5V55K version of the missiles, the 5V55R are equipped with PARGSN. I advise you to remember ... http: //pvo.guns.ru/s300p/index_s300pt.htm
      1. KKND
        KKND 2 October 2020 14: 05 New
        +2
        That Eugene is so "burnt" that he could not stand it and decided to "fight" with the woman in the comments? Why don't you "go down" in the comments, when, about your articles, a huge number of "members of the forum" write in plain text that your articles are "nonsense"? Isn't this "royal" business?
        1. Ali
          Ali 2 October 2020 14: 40 New
          0
          KKND. You're not right! Each has its own zest in writing material, including Damantsev!
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 2 October 2020 15: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: Ali
            You're not right! Each has its own zest in writing material, including Damantsev!

            Well, why don't you correct Eugene regarding the 5V55R missile defense system? Or do you also think that this rocket has a semi-active radar head? wink
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 3 October 2020 04: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: KKND
          That Eugene is so "burnt" that he could not stand it and decided to "fight" with the woman in the comments? Why don't you "go down" in the comments, when, about your articles, a huge number of "members of the forum" write in plain text that your articles are "nonsense"? Isn't this "royal" business?

          The point is apparently that Damantsev, in most cases, simply has nothing to say. This author would write fantasy novels in the spirit of Tom Clancy. Moreover, Damantsev removed the most illiterate and compromising comments from his profile. In the past, authors have had this opportunity.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 2 October 2020 15: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Fulcrum29
        The radio command guidance system is used in the 5V55K version of the missiles, 5V55R are equipped with PARGSN. I advise you to remember ...
        Before giving advice, please study the material part. You are no longer an authority on the Military Review, and besides, you have not even served in the armed forces.
        For some reason I trust my knowledge more.
        As a method of guiding the 5V55R missile to the target, an improved radio command a method that combines radio command guidance at the initial and middle sections of the trajectory with the method of "tracking a target through a missile" at the final one. Guidance commands for the 5V55R missile are generated according to the coordinates of the target and the missile, measured by the RPN, and according to the target tracking data by the airborne radar sighting system of the SAM.
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 3 October 2020 14: 57 New
      +2
      Damantsev, as always, "burns with napalm" ":


      And as for me it is blown away. And the article is short, and there are no more than 5 pearls, and the abbreviations are only a tenth of the old one. Talent dries up or there was simply no inspiration.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 October 2020 09: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Further this nonsense can not be read.

    Why, and neighing?
    5V55K - radio command guidance on command from radar illumination / guidance.
    5В55Р - semi-active guidance; Target illumination is provided by an external radar
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 2 October 2020 15: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Pavel57
      5В55Р - semi-active guidance; Target illumination is provided by an external radar

      What are you? What are you willing to argue that the S-300PS air defense system uses a radio command method with target tracking through a rocket?
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 5 October 2020 07: 55 New
        -2
        - And where is the active radar seeker ?! wink In developing"?! laughing
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 5 October 2020 08: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Outsider
          And where is the active radar seeker ?!

          Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs .. No. We're talking about the S-300PT-1 / PS, not the S-400.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 2 October 2020 10: 46 New
    0
    Yes, they will be carried out by a massive attack.

    Moreover, Israel and the United States really want to test their systems and tactics for the destruction of Russian air defense.

    If Armenia is defeated, or rather its air defense. Then wait for the vultures already over our heads, and they will also try to destroy us from drones
    1. kava61
      kava61 3 October 2020 04: 04 New
      0
      We have already tried in Syria, it does not work.
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 5 October 2020 07: 56 New
        -2
        - What is "not working"? wink
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 13 October 2020 19: 22 New
      0
      it is already broken in fact ...
  • yehat2
    yehat2 2 October 2020 11: 39 New
    +2
    it is necessary to start not with patrolling, but with a qualitatively better disguise.
    probably, 70 percent of Azerbaijan's air strikes come only because the camouflage was carried out clumsily.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 5 October 2020 07: 59 New
      0
      - Not from "disguise", but from patrolling their theater fighters. With full-scale radar control of theater airspace... There is no difficulty in shooting down the Bayraktar for the MiG-29 ...
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  • MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 2 October 2020 15: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: JonnyT
    Then wait for the vultures already over our heads, and they will also try to destroy us from drones

    Sorry for the question, but who is it over your heads?
  • Runway
    Runway 2 October 2020 16: 21 New
    0
    Today there was a "hail" in Stepanakert. What srdn / A-50 and aerospace weapons can we talk about?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 October 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    Does the S-300PS air defense system use a radio command method with target tracking through a rocket?

    If like on the Patriot, then Yes.

    Guidance of the MIM-104 missile at the target is carried out by radio command control from the ground using the Track-Via-Missile - TVM (tracking through the missile) method. The flying missile receives the signal from the ground radar reflected from the target and retransmits it via a one-way communication channel to the command post. Since the rocket in flight is always closer to the target than the radar accompanying the target, the signal reflected from the target is received by the rocket more efficiently, which provides greater accuracy and more effective countering interference. Thus, the emitter of the guidance radar operates at two receiving stations: the receiver of the radar itself and the receiver of the rocket. The control computer compares the data received from the ground-based radar and from the missile itself and develops corrections to the trajectory, directing the missile to the target.

    This requires ground illumination of the target, which essentially comes close to semi-active guidance.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 2 October 2020 17: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      If like on the Patriot, then Yes.

      My offer remains valid:
      Quote: Bongo
      What are you willing to bet that the S-300PS air defense system uses the radio command method with target tracking through a rocket?

      Are you afraid to lose, or do you still admit that radio command guidance with "escort through a rocket" and semi-active radar guidance are not the same thing?
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 17: 59 New
        +1
        RKTU (radio command telecontrol) of the second type. Naturally, not the same thing with semi-active guidance.
  • impostor
    impostor 2 October 2020 19: 00 New
    0
    “Representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan said that the Azerbaijani bombing caused significant damage to the NKR civil infrastructure and the Rescue Service. To destroy the bridge, the Azerbaijanis used the LORA OTRK made in Israel. According to the IAI (Israel Aerospace Industries - Israeli military concern), the solid-fuel LORA rocket has a mass of 1,6 tons and a maximum firing range of 400 km. The missile is equipped with a combined targeting system - inertial with satellite correction via GPS. The declared circular probable deviation is 10 m, ”the Russian news outlet“ Reporter ”reports.
    More details at: https://avia.pro/news/izrailskie-ballisticheskie-rakety-nanesli-udar-po-nagornomu-karabahu-opublikovano-pervoe-video
  • aiden
    aiden 2 October 2020 19: 50 New
    +2
    The Armenians have Iskander. Can and beat on the General Staff
  • Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 2 October 2020 20: 35 New
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    The only really effective option is to destroy the launchers.

    Well, why ... there is an option with false targets and constant changes in the location of deployment ... special emphasis should be placed on reconnaissance of Azerbadzhan strike weapons and keep your equipment out of the radius of destruction of these very Polonezes.

    Are you sure there is no Polonaise M there? Then the geography of Armenia may not be enough ...
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 October 2020 03: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    Are you afraid to lose, or do you still admit that radio command guidance with "escort through a rocket" and semi-active radar guidance are not the same thing?

    This is something in between. Since there is an illumination station and an RGS, but the guidance algorithms are formed outside the rocket.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 3 October 2020 04: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Pavel57
      This is something in between. Since there is an illumination station and an RGS, but the guidance algorithms are formed outside the rocket.

      Aiming commands are given from outside - that is, it is radio command guidance. As for the "illumination station", I consulted a little with my husband. He laughed, said that the SNR-75 (S-75 air defense missile system), the guidance station also constantly accompanied the target, or we can say that it "illuminated". Semi-active guidance with the help of the ROC was carried out on the S-200 air defense system. Now this method is used in Buk and S-300PM. But the S-300PS uses radio command method with sighting through a rocket. But not as Damantsev writes;
      Anti-aircraft guided missiles 5В55Р, equipped semi-active radar seeker.
      No.
      And you with your comment:
      Quote: Pavel57
      5В55Р - semi-active guidance
      - very much in a hurry. request
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 3 October 2020 09: 24 New
        +1
        Olga, I'm ready to agree with you that missile guidance and semi-active homing are not the same thing. But also, this is not purely command guidance. It is correct to consider it as an independent way to control missiles.
        1. Ali
          Ali 3 October 2020 10: 11 New
          -2


          Quote: Bongo (Sergey)
          As a method of guiding the 5V55R missile to the target, it is used advanced radio command methodconsisting in combination of radio command guidance on the initial and middle sections of the trajectory with method "tracking a target through a missile" at the final... Guidance commands for the 5V55R missile are generated according to the coordinates of the target and the missile, measured by the RPN, and according to the target tracking data by the airborne radar sighting system of the SAM.

          Quote: Pavel57
          It is correct to consider it as an independent way to control missiles.

          Pavel57. You're right! Bongo (Sergey) is wrong! it combined control method, not purely radio command:
          http://xn----7sbb5ahj4aiadq2m.xn--p1ai/guide/army/bp/5v55.shtml
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 3 October 2020 14: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Ali
            Pavel57. You're right! Bongo (Sergey) is wrong! This is a combined control method, not a purely radio command one:

            As you were I. Vasya, you stayed wassat Where did I say it was "purely radio command"? Or the text you read is not absorbed by you?
            Quote: Bongo
            As a method of guiding the 5V55R missile to the target, it is used advanced radio command method, consisting in the combination of radio command guidance at the initial and middle sections of the trajectory with the method "tracking a target through a rocket"at the end.

            It was originally about this:
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            SAM 5V55R have a radio command guidance system, with target tracking through a rocket.

            Damantsev confirmed that semi-active radar guidance was used in the 5V55R missile defense system. Or is your common sense very tight?
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 3 October 2020 14: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Pavel57
          But also, this is not purely command guidance. It is correct to consider it as an independent way to control missiles

          Here I agree with you. But from the very beginning Olya wrote the following:
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          SAM 5V55R have a radio command guidance system, with target tracking through a rocket.
          Where is it said about a purely radio command hovering? recourse
  • Oleg Bikmukhamedov
    Oleg Bikmukhamedov 3 October 2020 16: 53 New
    +1
    most Armenians in Russia make money! they absolutely do not care what Azerbaijan and Turkey are doing! this is an objective factor that I have personally confirmed in conversations and personal communication with the Armenians who have been working in Russia for many years! The paradox is true! Nobody wants to fight! the question is, why bring our military units to full readiness? (for example, an airborne division in Novorossiysk?)
  • Python 57
    Python 57 3 October 2020 17: 03 New
    +2
    S-300s cover objects in the depths of Armenia. They are not in Karabakh. Attacking these complexes or the objects it covers is an invitation to war on Russia. On the side of Armenia. Neither Baku nor Ankara has gone crazy yet.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 4 October 2020 01: 12 New
    -2
    The air defense will be repelled, but you still need to strike back, and not just defend. It is necessary to preemptively destroy the dam, warehouses, command posts, airfields and accumulations of equipment by the Iskander
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 6 October 2020 10: 43 New
    0
    We need an echeloned multistage air defense / missile defense system and air cover, and of course qualified personnel.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 7 October 2020 16: 31 New
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    outside the radius of destruction of these same Poloneses.

    this condition is poorly met in such a small area
  • yehat2
    yehat2 7 October 2020 16: 31 New
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    outside the radius of destruction of these same Poloneses.

    this condition is poorly met in such a small area
  • yehat2
    yehat2 7 October 2020 16: 35 New
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    outside the radius of destruction of these same Poloneses.

    this condition is poorly met in such a small area