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The Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the disruption of the supply of foreign components for civil aircraft

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The Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the disruption of the supply of foreign components for civil aircraft

A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia. This was announced by Vasily Shpak, Director of the Department of Radio-Electronic Industry of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia.


Speaking to reporters at the Microelectronics 2020 forum, Shpak said that a number of foreign companies had refused to continue supplying ready-made systems for the construction of Russian civil aircraft. However, he did not specify which systems will no longer be supplied and for which aircraft.

Our foreign partners, who supply ready-made systems for our aircraft, someone publicly, someone secretly informed our aircraft manufacturers that they would not continue their relationship with our aircraft manufacturers either under existing contracts or under new contracts.

- he added.

According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. The deliveries are stopped even without the announcement of sanctions. Shpak does not exclude that further restrictions will affect the supply of microelectronics.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 30 September 2020 11: 24 New
    18
    According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. The deliveries are stopped even without the announcement of sanctions.
    So there is something to stop. They see future competitors. Well, I hope we will be able to organize the necessary production on our own.
    1. 1_2
      1_2 30 September 2020 11: 28 New
      29
      it was clear from the very beginning that the West is a substance hostile to the Russian Federation, but the liberals still stupidly bend their line on the purchase of Western junk, and thereby ruin Ross production, and no one answered for the failure of the MS21 release date and problems with the superjet engines
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 30 September 2020 11: 32 New
        17
        Quote: 1_2
        it was clear from the very beginning that the West is a substance hostile to the Russian Federation,

        It was always clear. The whole history of the existence of Russia.
        1. krot
          krot 30 September 2020 20: 47 New
          +3
          Why doesn't Avisma stop supplying titanium components to Boeing and Airbas ...
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 30 September 2020 21: 58 New
            0
            it would be nice, But alas, in this case, we will lose a billion bucks ... and I think some in the West dream about it ... blows need to be delivered on time ... everything in due time
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 1 October 2020 06: 26 New
            0
            This will not happen, since the owners of these businesses will not want to sacrifice their income from the giants of the aircraft industry, and there is no one to urge (or force) them to observe Russia's interests.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 September 2020 11: 59 New
        -2
        Quote: 1_2
        but the liberals still stupidly bend their line on the purchase of Western junk,

        Not "the purchase of Western junk", but the development of mutually beneficial relations with "partners", as the head of state seems to say.
        Quote: 1_2
        and thus ruin Ross production, and no one answered for the failure of the release date of ms21 and problems with the superjet engines

        And for what time delays are we generally responsible for? For the disruption of the deadline for the execution of work, they were responsible under the "bloody tyrant Stalin", then the industry developed.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 1 October 2020 06: 31 New
          0
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          development of mutually beneficial relations with "partners", so it seems the head of state says.

          The head is in the stage of recovery and does not use such mossy, half-rotten aphorisms that smelled of liberal urine. True, correct actions on his part are extremely rare ...
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 1 October 2020 14: 36 New
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            The head is in the stage of recovery and does not use such mossy, half-rotten and scent of liberal urine

            Agree that the main thing is not the form, but the content.
            Quote: hydrox
            True, correct actions on his part are extremely rare ...

            It all depends on what you and he understand by the word correctly. If we understand by the head of state only the spokesman for the interests of the ruling class, which received its assets as a result of criminal privatization, then he is doing everything right.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 2 October 2020 08: 02 New
              0
              For some reason I got used to the fact that the content of a leader is not his words, but his deeds - this is exactly what Russia lacks.
      3. Machito
        Machito 30 September 2020 12: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: 1_2
        it was clear from the very beginning that the West is a substance hostile to the Russian Federation, but the liberals still stupidly bend their line on the purchase of Western junk, and thereby ruin Ross production, and no one answered for the failure of the MS21 release date and problems with the superjet engines

        The Russian Federation is in a position to adequately respond by imposing an embargo on the supply of titanium components for Boeing and other Airbuses, but the toad will crush our liberal businessmen, but there is no political will.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 September 2020 12: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: Bearded
          The Russian Federation is in a position to adequately respond by imposing an embargo on the supply of titanium components for Boeing and other Airbuses, but the toad will crush our liberal businessmen, but there is no political will.

          Do you know that titanium is almost not ours? not ? study the topic.SAMARA, September 30, 2020, 09:16 - REGNUM Arbitration
          On March 21, 2021, the Samara Region plans to start considering the claim of the Federal Antimonopoly Service of the Russian Federation, within the framework of which control over Arkonik SMZ and Alti Forge, the largest enterprises for the production of aluminum semi-finished products in Russia, is challenged.

          Titanium pulled VSMPO-Avisma to the bottom

          The VSMPO-Avisma Corporation, which supplies key components for the global aerospace industry, was on the verge of stopping not only due to the coronavirus epidemic. She has long been pulled to the bottom by growing corporate debt, unreasonable spending and gray schemes for working with personnel. The beneficiary of the enterprise was not Rostec, but a private person.

          https://www.forbes.ru/kompanii/tyazhelaya-promyshlennost/239263-zavhoz-iz-drezdena-kak-chemezov-vzyal-pod-kontrol-i-privat
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 1 October 2020 06: 54 New
            +1
            Thank you, Dedka.
            Unfortunately, this is not out of the ordinary, but the usual Russian system, which EVERYONE is afraid to touch, including. and VVP: he is not afraid, but who will ruin his friends?
      4. halpat
        halpat 30 September 2020 12: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: 1_2
        it was clear from the very beginning that the West is a substance hostile to the Russian Federation, but the liberals still stupidly bend their line on the purchase of Western junk, and thereby ruin Ross production, and no one answered for the failure of the MS21 release date and problems with the superjet engines

        And what a lafa! Mistrals were ordered, Iveco SUVs planned. Commissions were received at full length.
        They were going to send cadets to America. Why own military schools?
        And privatize-privatize (steal-steal).
        Medvedev, Serdyukov, Kudrin, Chubais. All on white horses. Tygydym tygydym.

        The Lord took away !!
        1. pereselenec
          pereselenec 30 September 2020 12: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: Halpat
          Medvedev, Serdyukov, Kudrin, Chubais. All on white horses. Tygydym tygydym.
          The Lord took away !!


          Thank God, Putin saw through the mean plans of Medvedev, Serdyukovf, Kudrinf and Chubais in time and stopped appointing them.
          1. Metallurg_2
            Metallurg_2 30 September 2020 13: 38 New
            10
            If he transplanted these assholes from one chair to another, it’s nothing.
            They have only one place - in Lefortovo, with suspicion of treason!
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 30 September 2020 13: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: pereselenec
            Thank God, Putin saw through the mean plans of Medvedev, Serdyukovf, Kudrinf and Chubais in time and stopped appointing them.

            Excuse me for the immodest question, where did Putin stop appointing them? As they all sat in important government posts, they still do.
            1. vadsonen
              vadsonen 30 September 2020 16: 17 New
              +5
              That was obviously sourcastic.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 1 October 2020 06: 56 New
          0
          And where did your Lord take you?
          Into a dense forest to drown in a swamp?
          Very noble and worthy!
      5. iouris
        iouris 30 September 2020 13: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: 1_2
        The West is a substance hostile to the Russian Federation

        The USSR was allowed to use components for the West.
      6. vlad106
        vlad106 1 October 2020 14: 03 New
        0
        Quote: 1_2
        it was clear from the very beginning that the West is a substance hostile to the Russian Federation, but the liberals still stupidly bend their line on the purchase of Western junk, and thereby ruin Ross production, and no one answered for the failure of the MS21 release date and problems with the superjet engines




        For decades, smart people have been repeating that it is necessary to restore the factories destroyed and plundered by scoundrels and enemies of Russia.
        but apart from boltology and nonsense that everything is completely imported, not a damn thing. There is no radio electronics in full volume, just as there is no machine tool and mechanical engineering.
        there are pathetic attempts to demonstrate the revival of the industry, but all this is 0% of the required capacity. I am already silent about "millions of jobs"
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 30 September 2020 11: 29 New
      19
      Quote: Lesovik
      So there is something to stop. They see future competitors. Well, I hope we will be able to organize the necessary production on our own.

      And then one of two things - either to produce EVERYTHING by ourselves, to the last screw and spit saliva on all "partners", or to close all aircraft factories and quietly buy recyclable materials under the guise of "Boeings". The second was tried in the 90s. Maybe try it first?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 September 2020 12: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Maybe try it first?

        It's time.
      2. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 30 September 2020 12: 40 New
        +8
        but do not try, you have to do it. for a long time. the day before yesterday, not a Formula 1 track in Sochi, but a microelectronics plant. and not one.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 06 New
        +2
        A side effect of the production of everything will ultimately result in a rise in the cost of the final product at least twice.
      4. Kronos
        Kronos 30 September 2020 13: 39 New
        +5
        The USSR could not produce everything.
      5. Curt
        Curt 30 September 2020 19: 18 New
        +1
        the first identity was spent - about 30 years ago. Came to the second. Now back to the first)
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 September 2020 11: 33 New
      +5
      Boeing and Airbus .... either buy a client or slow him down. The MC-21 is targeting the most popular niche. Embrayr and Bombardier are now in one way or another negotiating the sale to Boeeg and Airbus. It started right after they got into this niche.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 30 September 2020 22: 00 New
        0
        in general, by the way, ours in any case would have to master production, because the same Iran was thinking about purchasing SuperDry, but the United States imposed a ban on the supply of components
    4. SSR
      SSR 30 September 2020 11: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: Lesovik
      According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. The deliveries are stopped even without the announcement of sanctions.
      So there is something to stop. They see future competitors. Well, I hope we will be able to organize the necessary production on our own.

      Import substitution and change of suppliers are in full swing.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 30 September 2020 11: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: SSR
        Quote: Lesovik
        According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. The deliveries are stopped even without the announcement of sanctions.
        So there is something to stop. They see future competitors. Well, I hope we will be able to organize the necessary production on our own.

        Import substitution and change of suppliers are in full swing.

        Expected and predictable. sad Rhetorical question - who is to blame and what to do? sad And the second: there has never been such a nge (?) And now again. belay
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 September 2020 12: 46 New
        +5
        There, when replacing systems, certification is needed ... and this shifts the terms of aircraft certification.
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 30 September 2020 14: 40 New
          +2
          To cancel the certification to such and such a mother and start producing aircraft for domestic airlines, yesterday !!! am
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 30 September 2020 17: 15 New
            +2
            Nobody bothers to do this. But the buyers are private individuals, there is a market for used aircraft, Airplanes fly around the world ...
    5. Vend
      Vend 30 September 2020 11: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Lesovik
      According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. The deliveries are stopped even without the announcement of sanctions.
      So there is something to stop. They see future competitors. Well, I hope we will be able to organize the necessary production on our own.

      Yes, it was predictable. The West always thinks only about its own profit, for this it is ready to use everything from the color revolution to open sabotage.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 30 September 2020 12: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        Yes, it was predictable. The West always thinks only about its own profit, for this it is ready to use everything from the color revolution to open sabotage.

        Exactly. We will collect completely from our own - they will refuse to certify aircraft and we will not be able to sell abroad, and we may be prohibited from flying there on our own, and our market will not take much. It is necessary to restore old airlines, airports, purchase and manufacture equipment, train personnel. You will need a lot of money, but less income. Unless in response to stop concluding contracts for the purchase of foreign aircraft. If the government decides to do it.
        1. SSR
          SSR 30 September 2020 23: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Quote: Wend
          Yes, it was predictable. The West always thinks only about its own profit, for this it is ready to use everything from the color revolution to open sabotage.

          Exactly. We will collect completely from our own - they will refuse to certify aircraft and we will not be able to sell abroad, and we may be prohibited from flying there on our own, and our market will not take much. It is necessary to restore old airlines, airports, purchase and manufacture equipment, train personnel. You will need a lot of money, but less income. Unless in response to stop concluding contracts for the purchase of foreign aircraft. If the government decides to do it.

          Damn, it's hard to chew. Guys, read more. The whole world is not the USA and Europe.
          I'm not going to be smart now, but it became hard to read the forum.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 1 October 2020 07: 06 New
          +1
          Production has nothing to do with it: this requires political will, and with this we have a lot of stress: there is simply no such a young and energetic leader who could keep the aircraft industry under control (however, Stalin was also already an elderly man when the Soviet aircraft industry reached the pinnacle of his success).
          But Stalin knew how to form a management team, and only a few in the world own this art ...
      2. Astra55
        Astra55 30 September 2020 12: 37 New
        11
        The West always thinks only about its profit

        How long can you write this nonsense.
        What profit is he thinking about? The West thinks how to strangle Russia and do not care about profit.
        The article is titled “The West Refuses to Sell,” which means it is giving up money in favor of politics. Refuses cheap gas in favor of politics. Refuses to supply turbines in favor of politics. Refuses to enter Crimea with his companies in favor of politics.
        What a profit here. Profit is relegated to the background. So the well-known statement that "capital will do anything for the sake of 300% ..." is somehow not relevant. He does not go to "everything".
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 30 September 2020 12: 54 New
          0
          refuses money in favor of politics... Refuses cheap gas in favor of politics. Refuses to supply turbines in favor of politics. Refuses to enter Crimea with his companies in favor of politics.
          What a profit here. Profit pushed into the background


          And the West will spread politics on bread ??)
          Or just to amuse yourself maybe ??
          Politics in itself would not be interesting to anyone .. if it did not make money !!
          It is for the sake of money and profit that all this policy is happening !! You just need to look a little wider ..
          1. Astra55
            Astra55 30 September 2020 13: 29 New
            +9
            Let's go wider (or wider).
            Those for whom the Globe is only a field for games has so much money that he can buy himself two such Globes. He is no longer interested in money. He is interested in politics - to divide the world, to destroy some countries, to draw others. Russia for him is an eyesore. It is he who imposes the sanctions.
            Anyone who is not so rich to give up profits cannot go "to any crime for the sake of 300% ...", because he obeys the very first guys.

            Shirsha nowhere, like?
            1. Roman13579
              Roman13579 30 September 2020 13: 42 New
              -1
              Those for whom the Globe is just a field for games has so much money that can buy myself two such Globes... He is no longer interested in money.


              Oh, how wrong you are ..)) Putin's oligarchs would laugh at you ..
              And even if could buy - then I would not get into politics .. but I would buy ..
              But even some unfortunate Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria, no one can just take and buy !!

              He is interested in politics - to divide the world, to destroy some countries, to draw others.

              But I also thought many times before .. why are people so greedy for money ?? Why is no one really interested in politics .. to build a world .. Well, to build a country !!
              15 years ago I loved to play on my computer in all sorts of strategies .. you develop, grow .. Why are our rulers not even interested in playing live like that ?? Everything is there .. a great country .. a sea of ​​resources .. 30 years of time .. The people are not the worst, again .. After all, how could you "get up from your knees" then ..
              90% of the resources are in the hands of the oligarchs - that is, the government.
              If it weren't for this greed, everyone would have worked .. and they would have already worked out something ..
              1. Astra55
                Astra55 30 September 2020 13: 55 New
                +7
                And if I could buy, then I would not get into politics ... but I would buy ..

                Well, a person has to do something. So he plays the globe.
                PS.
                By the way, I also liked strategies. 25 years ago. Warcraft 2. One against seven. Can you?
                1. Roman13579
                  Roman13579 30 September 2020 14: 06 New
                  +1
                  Yes, they play somehow clumsily .. especially ours ..
                  Again I have to remember the notorious retirement age .. Was it worth playing for such a result !!
                  But the money in their pockets - this result cannot be crossed out either.
                  And they are there - everything suits !!

                  My PC only appeared in 2001 .. I was then more in all sorts of Age of Empire, War of the Worlds (ours, by the way, igruha), and Hirosov played ..))
        2. Vend
          Vend 30 September 2020 13: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Astra55
          The West always thinks only about its profit

          How long can you write this nonsense.
          What profit is he thinking about? The West thinks how to strangle Russia and do not care about profit.
          The article is titled “The West Refuses to Sell,” which means it is giving up money in favor of politics. Refuses cheap gas in favor of politics. Refuses to supply turbines in favor of politics. Refuses to enter Crimea with his companies in favor of politics.
          What a profit here. Profit is relegated to the background. So the well-known statement that "capital will do anything for the sake of 300% ..." is somehow not relevant. He does not go to "everything".

          Do you know what it means to think about a business development perspective? Judging by your post, no.
          1. Astra55
            Astra55 30 September 2020 13: 48 New
            +7
            ... what does it mean to think about a business development perspective?

            Yeah. Here sits a bourgeois Pole under his apple tree and thinks, "but I will not supply my apples to Crimea, I will think about the development prospects, I will wait until Russia gives Crimea back to Ukraine (that is, never), and then I will start deliveries." wassat
            What a prospect!

            Not guys, it's not about money. Here it is necessary, as the comrade above suggested, to take a broader look at the issue.
    6. NEOZ
      NEOZ 30 September 2020 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      Well, I hope we will be able to organize the necessary production on our own.

      only in cooperation ... with the PRC.
    7. grandfather_Kostya
      grandfather_Kostya 30 September 2020 13: 32 New
      +2
      For replacement, you will have to organize small-scale production, which means it is expensive, and the calculation is expensive. The price of the plane will go up.
    8. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 30 September 2020 21: 57 New
      +1
      let's say thanks to Uncle Sam) so ours will quickly deploy the production of missing parts
    9. vlad106
      vlad106 1 October 2020 10: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: Lesovik
      A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia. This was stated by Vasily Shpak, Director of the Department of Radio-Electronic Industry of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia


      A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia. This was stated by Vasily Shpak, Director of the Department of Radio-Electronic Industry of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia
      ??

      And sho, do we still have a radio-electronic industry?
      I heard about Shpak a long time ago. But about the radio-electronic industry ..
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 September 2020 11: 24 New
    +6
    The Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the disruption of the supply of foreign components for civil aircraft
    Oh! Well, who would have expected this from "partners"? And if you didn't expect, then fool
  3. 1_2
    1_2 30 September 2020 11: 25 New
    +7
    Well, sue and demand a forfeit!
  4. ioan-e
    ioan-e 30 September 2020 11: 25 New
    +9
    Will there be any lawsuits on this? Well, so as not to lose face? And how much will this shift to the right the time frame for aircraft production? And it is also interesting, "our" liberals and kreakly will somehow react to this situation from the point of view of free trade?
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 30 September 2020 22: 01 New
      +1
      100% will be, because no one has heard about the "sanctions", which means they pressed unofficially, so there is a reason for the trial
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 1 October 2020 09: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        100% will be, because no one has heard about the "sanctions", which means they pressed unofficially, so there is a reason for the trial

        God grant that!
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 30 September 2020 11: 25 New
    11
    A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia.

    And again, somehow unexpected? How about the power plants for our frigates? Maybe it will be enough for this rake to step again and again, and create your own production in advance?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 30 September 2020 11: 31 New
      11
      Quote: NEXUS
      And again, somehow unexpected?

      Now winter will come "completely unexpectedly" .... What kind of world? Some "unexpected" ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 September 2020 11: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Now winter will come "completely unexpectedly"

        Winter comes unexpectedly every year, as does summer with fires and floods.
        Here's something to think about ... a very big problem we have is the officials, who for the most part do not do nichrome.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 30 September 2020 12: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          a very big problem we have is officials, who for the most part don't do nichrome.

          It would be better if they did nothing. And what they do in the 30s would fall under the article "sabotage."
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 30 September 2020 13: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            it would be better if they did nothing. And what they do in the 30s would fall under the article "sabotage."

            It has already been noticed for sure .. good At least they didn't harm ..
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 30 September 2020 11: 35 New
      +1
      Here it is - another "roast cock"! When will we start moving?
      Somehow it does not immediately reach us that the West is not our partners.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 September 2020 11: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Here it is - another "roast cock"!

        And we have a whole menagerie of such phenomena ... a roast rooster, a polar fox ...
      2. Roman13579
        Roman13579 30 September 2020 12: 55 New
        +2
        But they warned us for a long time already .. that there is no time for buildup ..))
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 09 New
        0
        China also began to block the air in terms of microelectronics.
    3. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 30 September 2020 11: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: NEXUS
      create your own production?

      That there are airplanes, you try to find in modern household appliances at least one microcircuit with the inscription "made in Russia".
      Somehow a few years ago I saw a report about how (like in Kyrgyzstan) a ceremonial opening of a plant for the production of horse-drawn carriages, it was funny. So with the production of analogs of imports, it may turn out that we can only master the level of carts.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 30 September 2020 12: 49 New
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      and create your own production in advance?

      no competencies .....
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 30 September 2020 11: 26 New
    +5
    The notorious import substitution is in force am
    1. SSR
      SSR 30 September 2020 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      The notorious import substitution is in force am

      You just need to understand this word on a larger scale. The engine is imported, dismantled, studied, created a prototype, tested and then it is necessary to launch it in series.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 12 New
        0
        Engines are already making ourselves, ranging from passenger cars to marine diesel engines, an engine and automatic transmission for Aurus and a D500 engine for ships as an example of our own.
  7. Svarog
    Svarog 30 September 2020 11: 26 New
    +1
    A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia.

    Import substitution what doesn't work? As early as 6 years ago, everyone shouted hurray.
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 30 September 2020 11: 29 New
      +4
      so everything goes to this so that the Russian Federation is spent on import substitution of everything and everything that is simply very expensive and not always competitive but the banal reason that you cannot be in all the best, especially with such a small sales market of 160 million
    2. Woodman
      Woodman 30 September 2020 11: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: Svarog
      Import substitution what doesn't work? As early as 6 years ago, everyone shouted hurray.

      You understand perfectly well that "by the pike's command" it "will not work" at once, and even in six years it is impossible to replace ALL imports. This will take many years. Unless, of course, there is a desire to arrange, albeit temporary, but a total deficit of everything and everyone. Therefore, import substitution will take place stepwise. And we will hear many more similar messages.
      PS Not much out of topic, but just saw:
      From January 1, 2022, the export of untreated or roughly processed wood from Russia will be prohibited. This order was given to the government by President Vladimir Putin.

      "I instruct from January 1, 2022 to introduce a complete ban on the export from Russia of unprocessed or rough, only for the type of processed timber of coniferous and valuable deciduous species."
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 30 September 2020 13: 21 New
        -2
        This will take many years.

        Undoubtedly .. with such a leadership of the country, even a century will not be enough ...
      2. vlad106
        vlad106 1 October 2020 10: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Lesovik
        Quote: Svarog
        Import substitution what doesn't work? As early as 6 years ago, everyone shouted hurray.

        You understand perfectly well that "by the pike's command" it "will not work" at once, and even in six years it is impossible to replace ALL imports. This will take many years. Unless, of course, there is a desire to arrange, albeit temporary, but a total deficit of everything and everyone. Therefore, import substitution will take place stepwise. And we will hear many more similar messages.
        PS Not much out of topic, but just saw:
        From January 1, 2022, the export of untreated or roughly processed wood from Russia will be prohibited. This order was given to the government by President Vladimir Putin.

        "I instruct from January 1, 2022 to introduce a complete ban on the export from Russia of unprocessed or rough, only for the type of processed timber of coniferous and valuable deciduous species."

        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

        it should have been banned 20 years ago.
        All have already been sawed.
        and by the 22nd year, some shrubs will remain
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 30 September 2020 12: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      As early as 6 years ago, everyone shouted hurray.

      suggest singing a hymn?
  8. Rubi0
    Rubi0 30 September 2020 11: 26 New
    +6
    Dragging them around the courts to either knock out compensation or compromise their court
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 September 2020 11: 30 New
      -1
      Quote: Rubi0
      To drag them around the courts to or knock out compensation ...

      You can't build planes out of money, alas.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 30 September 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        You can't build planes out of money, alas.

        Money needs to be returned to buy from others while we master ours.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 30 September 2020 11: 33 New
      0
      What courts? Voronezh and Irkutsk? All other courts will still award compensation to pay Western partners.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 30 September 2020 12: 06 New
        +3
        Breach of the terms of the Agreement is one of the most won cases in arbitration. These are not behind-the-scenes promises of the Americans not to expand NATO; these are documented commercial relations. Do not get away even hiding behind a covid.
  9. Doccor18
    Doccor18 30 September 2020 11: 26 New
    +2
    The Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the disruption of the supply of foreign components for civil aircraft

    Today, 11: 20

    It’s not even surprising.
    It is customary to destroy competitors in the capitalist world.
  10. Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 30 September 2020 11: 29 New
    +5
    Themselves climbed into cooperation. Here and rake. Instead of developing and producing ourselves, we rely on "partners and friends". We have neither partners nor friends. This is the world of crap and capitalism. The main principle of which is to shit on your neighbor and rejoice, otherwise your neighbor will spoil you and rejoice! (And do not forget to take off his last shirt and abuse)
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 30 September 2020 11: 29 New
    -1
    I wonder how many more years will effective managers turn the arrows to partners?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 30 September 2020 12: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      I wonder how many years effective managers will continue to translate arrows

      Judging by the successful zeroing for a long time. If the Arctic fox does not creep up earlier.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 30 September 2020 12: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Interesting,

      what would you do?
  12. apro
    apro 30 September 2020 11: 29 New
    -3
    According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. 

    Strange statements ... the market decides. The price tag was raised by themselves. Or is something wrong?
    And as for what the West wants ... here, apparently, in Russia, too, many want the civil aircraft industry to bent down. Their decisions are to achieve this.
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 30 September 2020 12: 39 New
      +4
      Do you still believe in the invisible hand of the market economy?
      1. apro
        apro 30 September 2020 12: 59 New
        +1
        Of course I believe in brownies too I believe in mermaids in honest businessmen and government officials I don’t believe in their adequacy ...
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 30 September 2020 12: 54 New
      -3
      Quote: apro
      here apparently in Russia

      why not with a capital letter?
      the spirit of Ukrainians does not allow?
      1. apro
        apro 30 September 2020 13: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: NEOZ
        why not with a capital letter?
        the spirit of Ukrainians does not allow?

        Soviet past ...
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 30 September 2020 13: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: apro
          Soviet past ...

          many Ukrainians have a Soviet past ...
          1. apro
            apro 30 September 2020 13: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: NEOZ
            many Ukrainians have a Soviet past.

            They, like the Russians, abandoned it ...
  13. svp67
    svp67 30 September 2020 11: 32 New
    +1
    someone publicly, someone secretly informed our aircraft manufacturers that they would not continue relations with our aircraft manufacturers either under existing contracts or under new contracts
    So what is next? In this regard, are claims on these cases being filed with the courts or again at the level of "shake a finger"?
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 30 September 2020 11: 33 New
    +1
    Well, it's not a bad decision in the spirit of capitalism - man is a wolf to man. No one promised to solve our problems for us. Soon planes will not be sold or serviced either.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 30 September 2020 13: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: Alex66
      Soon planes will not be sold or serviced either.

      they wanted to do this with the auto industry ...
  15. Fitter65
    Fitter65 30 September 2020 11: 34 New
    +3
    A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia.
    As one "economist" said in the early 90s: .. "Why do we need to spend money on production if we can buy ..." And here it turned out, and not to produce, and not to acquire. Although why does Russia need planes, these are not foreign football clubs, not real estate abroad, and not the largest yachts ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 21 New
      -3
      Russia would not need planes - no one would make them in Russia now and would not create new ones, as well as everything accompanying them, including jet engines - and the fact that foreign related enterprises refuse to supply components is shooting in the foot in the form loss of profit for us plus a good incentive to accelerate import substitution.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 30 September 2020 17: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        and for us, plus a good incentive to accelerate import substitution.

        From the beginning we destroyed it, and then we create it again.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 18: 04 New
          -4
          Forgive me, but for what they destroyed - the production facilities that produced obsolete trash and Russia now lacks tens of thousands of outdated enterprises with the same obsolete products that no one needs, which every year will hang around the neck of the budget, bringing continuous losses every year.
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 1 October 2020 00: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            Forgive me, but for what they destroyed - the production facilities that produced obsolete rubbish, yes, Russia now lacks tens of thousands of outdated enterprises with the same outdated products that no one needs, which will hang around the budget every year, bringing continuous losses every year

            And you didn't have enough brains to modernize? Was it easier to close the enterprise? How was AZLK closed? new equipment was brought in, and the plant was quickly bankrupted, how many years has this new, uninstalled equipment been in empty workshops? Regarding outdated stuff. The Tu-154m fully met the requirements of the 90s, like the Il-86/96, but then new standards for noise and emissions were issued. that someone rushed to spend a small amount of money, which, by the way, was offered by the OKB, so no our (?) aviation leaders quickly wrote off practically new Tu and Il and boarded Boeings and Airbus, which had flown in Europe for a couple of decades. New aircraft of the Tu-204/214 family just went into production, but no, the Russian air carrier did not buy its own, is it unprofitable? Of course, after taking 9 Boeing money for the 10th, you received money on your account for free ... The IL-114, which is going to be put into production, is also from the series of "obsolete junk" which they decided to revive after 30 years. The family of Mi-8 helicopters, developed under Khrushchev, is still produced in various modern modifications, and no one is confused by this "old stuff" which is produced at "outdated enterprises". But at the expense of modern enterprises with the latest equipment ..? Look to whom they belong and what share of Russian property is there and who is in charge of them. Fresh from the Bashkir Sodovaya Company - which countries are the citizens of the country? And by the way, at the expense of outdated equipment, when was the last time the modernization of production was carried out there? .. So about the outdated AZLK equipment in your guide, and Mi-8 as an example of "outdated trash" ...
  16. Moskovit
    Moskovit 30 September 2020 11: 34 New
    0
    We cannot work without a magic kick!
  17. codetalker
    codetalker 30 September 2020 11: 35 New
    0
    What a surprise ... The West does not need Russian aviation. What the hell are imported components?
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 30 September 2020 11: 35 New
    -2
    A number of foreign suppliers of components for Russian civil aircraft almost simultaneously refused to cooperate with Russia.

    What a surprise!!! Stripes and their vassals will crush everyone ... it was clear for a long time.
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  20. rocket757
    rocket757 30 September 2020 11: 37 New
    +2
    neither under existing contracts nor under

    but this is interesting, revealing!
    can the forfeit make them pay ??? or for the natives no rules and laws exist in nature?
  21. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 30 September 2020 11: 38 New
    +1
    Stop!!! but what about import substitution ?????????
  22. iouris
    iouris 30 September 2020 11: 39 New
    +1
    What accessories? Yes all!
    But the society introduced color differentiation of pants.
  23. Rostislav
    Rostislav 30 September 2020 11: 39 New
    +7
    What did they want? First, with their own hands, for the kickbacks of Boeing and Airbus, they ruined their civil aircraft industry, and then they will
    just watch Russia recover? They will hinder, diligently.
  24. AlexSam
    AlexSam 30 September 2020 11: 42 New
    -9
    wow, almost everyone who commented on the zeros are sitting))) ay, local "patriots", what are you suddenly stuck in ... languages? because it was not Putin who did it, but yours, right?))
  25. zlyk19
    zlyk19 30 September 2020 11: 49 New
    -1
    Name at least one country that produces civil aircraft entirely from its components.
    1. Timon2155
      Timon2155 30 September 2020 12: 27 New
      -3
      The USSR produced the entire defense industry, civil aviation and so on, relying solely on its resources, science, and production. Say, there is no such country? We are walking towards it, not in full force, but we are going! The goal is there. We can do everything ourselves. Doubt?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 26 New
        -6
        And in the end, almost all civilian products of the USSR were backward in technological design and operational terms, including aircraft. You can produce any trash for yourself - only few people will buy it in capitalist countries, so in general, no one in the entire existence of the USSR sold only 7 civil aircraft for money, the other hundreds of aircraft were simply exchanged for unequal barter.
      2. zlyk19
        zlyk19 30 September 2020 13: 38 New
        -6
        Keep in mind that half of what was produced in the USSR, most of it, was not competitive even on its own market, which is why when the border was opened, these products and products became unnecessary along with the factories producing them. And the second half was borrowed and, at the same time, far from the most perfect copies were taken as a sample.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 30 September 2020 13: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: zlyk19
      Name at least one country that produces civil aircraft entirely from its components.

      Name the suppliers who will refuse to supply components for Boeing or Airbus. I think there are no such people even in the Russian Federation.
  26. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 30 September 2020 11: 50 New
    +2
    As our mayor says, "some kind of bastard"))). Maybe the Ministry of Industry and Trade will go to Kolyma with its entire staff for the failure of the import substitution program, or they will get up from their knees for another 50 years.
  27. marchcat
    marchcat 30 September 2020 11: 55 New
    +2
    It turns out that the notorious import substitution simply does not exist, and perhaps it did not even exist, as the authorities buzzed to us
  28. Dikson
    Dikson 30 September 2020 11: 58 New
    +4
    Wow .. what rudeness ...)))) And we give them titanium racks. ... - otherwise we won't be able to fly at all .. But when we invent and start producing our own components, when we finally start building airplanes .. - then you know what will happen? ))) And then our beloved partners simply will not give certificates for their international operation ... well, or what ECO standard they will invent a new one .. or they will refuse to insure them .. and our built aircraft will remain on the ground .. and airlines will continue to buy used Boeings and Watermelons ..))) And then suddenly China will stop supplying us with its disposable teapots and washing machines ... And it will become absolutely fun for us to live under the strict guidance ...
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  29. awesom3-lutsevich
    awesom3-lutsevich 30 September 2020 12: 03 New
    +3
    They wrote that the MC is entirely ours, but it turned out not
  30. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 September 2020 12: 15 New
    +2
    Got the game as partners, global economists hedgehogs! Dreaming about friendship with these ... They are friends while fumbling in your pockets. There is no need for our deputies for France, Italy and Germany to run around! Let them go to North Korea, learn from the experience of life under the blockade.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 September 2020 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Captive
      They are friends while you fumble in your pockets.

      They don’t themselves rummage in our pockets: for this a "democratic system" has been created.
  31. teron
    teron 30 September 2020 12: 29 New
    +2
    The invisible hand of the market in action.
  32. Xenofont
    Xenofont 30 September 2020 12: 29 New
    +3
    This is how the scale of the betrayal of our elites is revealed! In order not to develop our electronics and instrumentation, we effectively cooperate for kickbacks with the enemies of our aviation industry. Tapericha, eat, do not crap.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 30 New
      -5
      There are 3000 offices in Russia that deal with microelectronics, component electronics, software, radio electronics and computers - so there is no need to tell all sorts of tales here "The scale of the betrayal of our elites! So as not to develop our electronics and instrumentation."
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont 30 September 2020 13: 48 New
        +3
        And what's the output? We cannot provide strategic sectors.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 18: 05 New
          -3
          The strategic military-industrial complex provides energy.
      2. vlad106
        vlad106 1 October 2020 11: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        There are 3000 offices in Russia that deal with microelectronics, component electronics, software, radio electronics and computers - so there is no need to tell all sorts of tales here "The scale of the betrayal of our elites! So as not to develop our electronics and instrumentation."

        ))))))))))))))))))))

        Here is a whistle, so a whistle!
        "3000 offices" ... these are those who buy "offal" at Aliexpress and in private cellars are engaged in assembling junk ...
        Who do you work for Vadim? On the curators of Tikhanovskaya?
  33. Victor Proshchenko
    Victor Proshchenko 30 September 2020 12: 31 New
    0
    And that earlier this could not have been foreseen? Glazyev wrote about this in his articles 15 years ago.
  34. pereselenec
    pereselenec 30 September 2020 12: 38 New
    +2
    But what about Putin's import substitution?
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 September 2020 15: 11 New
      0
      Everything is already "import substituted".
  35. pereselenec
    pereselenec 30 September 2020 12: 45 New
    +7
    According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry. The deliveries are stopped even without the announcement of sanctions. Shpak does not exclude that further restrictions will affect the supply of microelectronics.


    The worst thing is that absolutely the same picture is with all the vaunted "Armats", "Su-57", "Hunters", and other "analogue networks".


    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 30 September 2020 13: 01 New
      +3
      The worst thing is that absolutely the same picture is with all the vaunted "Armats", "Su-57", "Hunters", and other "analogue networks".


      The country is mainly engaged in trade .. In Voronezh, we have only baryzhnicheskie's offices (in which I myself work) .. these are sellers, and accountants in the bulk .. Where in such conditions will "analogue" come from
      You need to be a complete idiot to believe that somewhere in the secret dungeons some others people .. who invent and create all this ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 September 2020 13: 34 New
        -4
        And there are such places and in Russia there are many of them where people work, invent and create - and if you are not interested in them or do not see it does not mean that they are not there - continue to engage in baryzhnicheskie.
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 30 September 2020 14: 25 New
          +3
          there are such places and there are many of them in Russia
          There are .. just a little ..
          You can open a newspaper in search of work .. or in some research institute .. or as a manager .. And everything will be clear ..

          engage in further business.
          So I wrote .. as if I voluntarily do it ..))
          Since 2000, I have worked as a turbine repair mechanic for 5 years at the CHPP .. and I still consider that work the only real job in my life !!

          But as they say:
          "I am often asked about teachers and instructors. This is a calling, and if you want to earn money, there are tons of great places where you can do it faster and better." (c) someone Medvedev ..
    2. iouris
      iouris 30 September 2020 15: 13 New
      -1
      Why does the Russian Federation need "civil aircraft construction"? Enough "legal proceedings".
  36. Roman13579
    Roman13579 30 September 2020 12: 48 New
    +3
    at the forum "Microelectronics-2020" Shpak said that a number of foreign companies refused to continue supplying ready-made systems


    Was the forum foreign too ??
    In the absence of its own microelectronics, to organize a forum .. to condemn foreign suppliers .. interesting ..))
  37. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 30 September 2020 13: 00 New
    +4
    WESTERN PARTNERS REFUSED TO cooperate - FULFILLING THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER EXISTING CONTRACTS ???
    WONDERFUL!!!
    Question: 1. How were those contracts secured?
    2. In what time frame and for what amount of losses, penalties and penalties will claims be filed against the "Western partners"?
    3. Who entered into (prepared and signed) those contracts and what responsibility will these persons bear if the contracts are insufficiently secured?
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 30 September 2020 13: 04 New
      0
      All these questions have already been asked millions of times in the situation with Alseas, and earlier - in the courts of Gazprom.
      It's time to stop asking this .. especially about Responsibility, and who took it and where ..))
  38. Operator
    Operator 30 September 2020 13: 02 New
    0
    Whoever ripped off, not a single coronavirus vaccine.
  39. krops777
    krops777 30 September 2020 13: 06 New
    -1
    Our foreign partners,


    How much can you lick really not tired of? It's time to speak openly - the enemies and set up an astronomical bill so that it would be discouraged, otherwise, as usual, the snot will chew and for budget (public) money we will be engaged in import substitution.
  40. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 September 2020 13: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    to respond adequately by imposing an embargo on the supply of titanium components

    Funny.
    And let's also refuse to finish building SP2 and turn off the gas to the Turks ...
    Ahhh, no, they already shut off our gas and don't order to finish building the pipe.
    Do you think Boeing and Airbus will close without our titanium, no. They will spend a little money and a little time and buy everything elsewhere. There is someone.
    And where will the AVISM titanium go?
    That's right, nowhere. It will just close. And then, even if we are suddenly going to make our own plane, there will be nothing to make it from.
  41. APASUS
    APASUS 30 September 2020 13: 32 New
    +4
    This is about the issue of import substitution and investing in the economy, and not in Olympiads, summits and unrealizable mega projects
  42. solzh
    solzh 30 September 2020 15: 24 New
    +7
    The Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the disruption of the supply of foreign components for civil aircraft

    The under-reformers destroyed their aircraft industry. Now we are dependent on imported components. You need to establish your own production, and not to lean on imported ones.
  43. Looking for
    Looking for 30 September 2020 15: 44 New
    +2
    It's a shame doubly. Because. That there is something to compare, with the "damned" USSR, all the GIZs and components were their own relatives and the planes riveted like pies .. I wonder what the pest made a bet on imported components. more similar approach in the design and manufacture of military products
  44. zwlad
    zwlad 30 September 2020 16: 56 New
    +2
    Wow, what good news for our industry!
    You don't want to, but import substitute.
  45. ZVS
    ZVS 30 September 2020 18: 15 New
    +2
    And the Ministry of Industry and Trade has spanked its ears for so many years and did not raise the issue of replacing foreign components with its own? How many more idlers in the ministries of Russia who receive money for doing nothing.
    It is not foreigners who are trying to stop production in Russia, but Putin's ministers. Under Stalin, Shpak would have felled forest in Siberia for a long time, if it had not been shot for outright sabotage. Only Putin has rose-colored glasses, and the whole country sees that his cadre is loaded with blank cartridges.
  46. fa2998
    fa2998 30 September 2020 18: 15 New
    +2
    But what about import substitution? It has been reported for 6 years now.
    Billions were invested, Fedor flew into space, telephones were made from Chinese spare parts in Taiwan, drones were smashed against the walls, what else.
  47. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 September 2020 19: 14 New
    0
    And where our sanctions and we must not forget, winter is on the nose, it is time to put gas and oil pipelines for preventive maintenance until spring, And where it is possible to put a penalty for shortages and lost profits in court. Enough for the Foreign Ministry and Lavrov to pretend to be saints, it's time to put all partners in their place, and let Shoigu communicate with those who do not want to, our elite has been given a lot, so let him work out.
  48. BAI
    BAI 30 September 2020 21: 05 New
    +1
    Shpak does not exclude that further restrictions will affect the supply of microelectronics.

    It is high time for the West to do this. Maybe this will force them to take at least some punitive measures against those who destroyed the domestic electronics industry.
  49. Blue fox
    Blue fox 30 September 2020 22: 00 New
    0
    Almost a quote ...
    - I am tormented by vague doubts Shpak has a spar, the ambassador has a medallion
    - What are you hinting at, royal muzzle ?!
  50. Radikal
    Radikal 1 October 2020 15: 58 New
    0
    According to him, in this way the West is trying to stop the Russian civil aircraft industry.
    Most of all, this phrase amused. So it is the West's fault that the civil aircraft industry has degraded in 30 years? sad