Referendum in Switzerland approved the purchase of fighters

F-5E Tiger II

Swiss citizens voted on September 27 to express their opinion on the government's planned acquisition of a new $ 6,4 billion fighter jet for the country's air force.

Earlier, the government was supported by the parliament. The procurement program, thanks to the efforts of pacifists and left-wing political parties, was put to a referendum, which in almost 30 years became the third in a row among plebiscites on the acquisition of military aircraft. The “militarists” won by a margin of only 9 votes, gaining 50.2%. The results of the referendum allow replacing the fleet of the Swiss Air Force, consisting of the Northrop F-5E / F Tiger II and Boeing F / A-18 Hornet.

It is assumed that $ 6,4 billion will be allocated for the purchase of up to 40 fighters by 2030. The aircraft type will be decided by the government at a later stage. The short list includes applications from four companies from the United States, France and Germany: Lockheed Martin (F-35A), Boeing (F / A-18 Super Hornet), Dassault (Rafale) and Airbus (Eurofighter Typhoon). Their proposals are due in November 2020. The contract is expected to be concluded by 2022, and the equipment will begin arriving from 2025.

The Swiss Constitution states that the supreme legislative power belongs to the people, expressing their will through popular referendum votes.

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[Grandfather]

The Swiss Constitution states that the supreme legislative power belongs to the people, expressing their will through popular referendum votes.

and what, so it was possible?

[Temples]

This is how life works. The people have supreme power even without the communists.
And there is no need to organize a civil war in the country and send the population to camps.

[Eugene-Eugene]

The standard of living allows. Swiss capital is harmoniously integrated into the global financial system. A good half of Russian hydrocarbons are bought not by the consumer, but by TNK with a Swiss registration. This is a kind of offshore for transnational capital. If Cyprus and other islands are vacuuming funds from national economies, then Switzerland - from the world.

[Errr]

And Lenin walked in the Swiss Alps, and everything was useless ... Is there any special people there? Doesn't Russia have such a scenario at all?

[Eugene-Eugene]

Russia certainly could not become a financial haven. A small and neutral country is needed. This is definitely not about Russia. If it were not for Switzerland, it would have to be invented.

[Errr]

And if you take, and surprise the "partners"? Declare neutrality overnight, as the Turkmens did. Will not help?

[Keyser soze]

The standard of living allows.

And the standard of living is comprehended because of the mentality. About two years ago, the Swiss in a referendum said "No" to the four-day working week. We would vote with both hands and feet for a two-day ...

[pytar]

And they also voted "No" on the proposal for a total guaranteed income received without the need to work! The adoption of this proposal, in fact, led to communism! But the Swiss considered it wrong to receive money that a citizen did not earn by his labor! Ours in place of the Swiss would generally vote "FOR", with all their limbs! The difference in mentality, in consciousness is obvious!

[Campanella]

Like the most hard workers of the hard workers?
It is a fact that work is needed, but how much work everyone must decide for himself.

[Keyser soze]

It is a fact that work is needed, but how much work everyone must decide for himself.

Well, no one will forbid you to work as much as you want - a day, two, or not work at all. But the law refused to introduce 4 working days and to rest three.

Max Weber has a good essay - "Protestant Ethics and the Spirit of Capitalism". At one time, while I was studying sociology, she explained to me many things that I, with my Eastern thinking, did not understand. But otherwise the Swiss are normal guys live, talked while skating there.

[Campanella]

I'm talking about something else. After all, there are a lot of workaholic people who are ready to work for 5,6 days. It turns out that they will stupidly break the law.

[Keyser soze]

After all, there are a lot of workaholic people who are ready to work for 5,6 days. It turns out that they will stupidly break the law.

I don’t know for sure, not a specialist in Swiss law. I heard that there is a restriction on work, about shops, but I'm not sure. Yes, in many countries everything "dies out" on Saturday / Sunday. In Luxembourg I thought that a non-trodden bomb had fallen - I was walking along a huge boulevard and there was no car, not a damn thing ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

The standard of living allows. Swiss capital is harmoniously integrated into the global financial system. A good half of Russian hydrocarbons are bought not by the consumer, but by TNK with a Swiss registration. This is a kind of offshore for transnational capital. If Cyprus and other islands are vacuuming funds from national economies, then Switzerland - from the world.

Switzerland is an old woman pawnbroker ... like Dostoevsky's. lives for free. parasite country.

[voyaka uh]

Complete nonsense. Switzerland is a country of high-tech industry
and science. Electronics, precision engineering, pharmaceuticals.
The Geneva Polytechnic is one of the strongest technical universities in the world.
Their vault banks have lost their meaning since the Americans forced
15 years ago to disclose customer data.
And ordinary investment banks in Switzerland are in the same difficulties
like all European banks. Recession, little investment.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Temples

This is how life works. The people have supreme power even without the communists.
And there is no need to organize a civil war in the country and send the population to camps.

So, before coming to this state of affairs, they fought a lot among themselves.

[Campanella]

You are mistaken, Mr. Temples!
Without the communists the world would be different and it is not a fact that the way you think it is. It is clear that Swiss citizens were being processed. By and large, a neutral country does not need an army of such strength and size
after all, the western partners are exclusively herbivorous and humanistic ... however, the Swiss decided to spend money and support the military industry it is not yet clear which country. Obviously, in case of war, the Swiss army is about nothing, so it's just a way to support the powerful.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dead Day

The Swiss Constitution states that the supreme legislative power belongs to the people, expressing their will through popular referendum votes.

and what, so it was possible?

Can. ONLY ON THE FIG? Does the goat have a button accordion, and Switzerland has planes? With whom and with what forces is she going to fight? The Pope is guarded by 110 operetta guards - and thank God! Well, there are still some ridiculous armed forces ... So it was not for nothing that they organized two referendums on the abolition of the army as such. Why do they need it, if in order to conquer Switzerland, it is enough for a battalion of enemy infantry to just walk there?

[English tarantas]

Not enough, Switzerland's trick is not that it just suddenly declared itself neutral, its neutrality was reinforced for a long time by a powerful mountain turnover. Now they can vote whether they need it, and in any case, even in the 21st century, they need a combat-ready army, just for everyone, you never know.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: English tarantass

and in any case, even in the 21st century, they need a combat-ready army, so for everyone, you never know.

What combat-ready army can, by definition, be in Switzerland? If only to compare with Estonian ... Fighting means "capable of fighting." With whom is SWITZERLAND capable of fighting? Moreover, "in the 21st century." A country that has never really fought, preferring to "negotiate for money." And in the 21st century they will "negotiate for money" with America - that's the whole war. If you remember who is the main enemy for America, then even the value of Switzerland as a springboard for the deployment of missiles tends to zero (not to mention the tanks and other forces of the Second World War) - in contrast, say, from the same Tribaltika, Ukraine and Poland.

Thus, Switzerland has its own army - including the Air Force - "a suitcase without a handle." And it's hard to carry, and it's a pity to leave.

[English tarantas]

Let's start with the fact that you don't know the history of the wars in Switzerland. Let's end by mentioning that Switzerland could have taken part in both world wars. Why do you think that a country that regularly participates in exercises, that has the ability to thoroughly prepare for war and makes weapons that are bought and used effectively cannot have an army comparable in quality to its neighbors? Before WWI, no one thought that the Germans had a powerful army, until 39 and 40, they thought so about the Germans and about us.

[Keyser soze]

Does the goat have a button accordion, and Switzerland has planes?

In all classes, Switzerland is the most militarized country in the world. Automatic weapons in the closet, the state encourages the purchase of rifles by the population, runways in tunnels, everything is dug up and mined, company managers shoot at the range every month, and no one shirks the army fees. Sophisticated defense system. Anti-nuclear shelters for the entire population, to the last person.

These are the funny armed forces ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Keyser Soze

In all classes, Switzerland is the most militarized country in the world. Automatic weapons in the closet, the state encourages the purchase of rifles by the population, runways in tunnels, everything is dug up and mined, company managers shoot at the range every month, and no one shirks the army fees. Sophisticated defense system. Anti-nuclear shelters for the entire population, to the last person.

Imagine a situation when a high-class computer offline billiards player comes to play for real money on a real table with real players not even to the World Cup - to a pub with two tables ... How long will it take for him to jump out of that pub in his underpants ?

So Switzerland is preparing offline for war. If the Americans bring the world to war, the war will show everything. In the meantime, let Switzerland dig asylums and spend 260 days in 10 years.

PS I know that Bulgaria is not even Switzerland militarily, therefore, again, I know that now you will start heating for Switzerland. And in any case - if only against Russia. Yesterday I talked to yours on "Voennoye Obozreniye" to heartburn, so you don't have to answer my comments - I'm no longer interested in communicating with Bulgarians. Look for other eyes and ears. Those who believe the nonsense that your fellow countrymen yesterday about the Second World War, about the USSR, about Russia carried. Goodbye...

[Max otto]

Listen, if, instead of the nonsense that you write here, you just read something about Switzerland for at least 2,5-3 hours, then, I assure you, your IQ will increase 2 times.
For example, Hitler did not occupy Switzerland, not because he needed a neutral bank or something, but because he was not sure that he could at all. He had no doubts about France.

[voyaka uh]

"Why would they need it, if in order to conquer Switzerland, the battalion
Is it enough for enemy infantry to just walk there? "////
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Deep delusion. Neither battalion nor division capture Switzerland
can not. The country is fortified and protected by a trained army.
All passes are mined. Pillboxes were built in the mountains. Population's homes
weapons and ammunition, and they train regularly.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Zoldat_A

to conquer Switzerland, a battalion of enemy infantry just needs to walk there

Switzerland's army is quite decent. Universal military duty and permission for reservists to keep weapons at home. If a battalion of enemy infantry enters Switzerland, it will be shot by the citizens before the army intervenes.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Why do they need it, if in order to conquer Switzerland, it is enough for a battalion of enemy infantry to just walk there?

apparently you are not aware of the combat capability of the Swiss army.

[Sergej1972]

In Switzerland, yes. And there are Western democracies in which referendums are not envisaged. Or they can only be advisory. Or only at the regional level.

[Andrew 40]

This is the country in which the constitution can not only wipe.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Sad but true. All that remains is to envy.

[Temples]

Quote: Andrey 40

This is the country in which the constitution can not only wipe.

If you wipe yourself with the Constitution, then do not blame others for this.
How does the country look at your preferences?

[mat-vey]

"The State Duma rejected three bills proposing to return the indexation of pensions for working pensioners. At the plenary session, a bill was considered, restoring the indexation of pensions for working pensioners, submitted to the State Duma by the deputies of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Oleg Smolin and Nikolai Kolomeytsev. According to the authors of the initiative, the absence of this norm reduces the standard of living of working pensioners , discourages them to work. "

Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
.....
6. In the Russian Federation, a pension system for citizens is being formed on the basis of the principles of universality, justice and solidarity of generations and its effective functioning is supported, and pensions are indexed at least once a year in the manner prescribed by federal law.
......

[Rubi0]

Ahaha, as mentioned above, while you are worried about retirement after 45, the Swiss refuse a 4-day week and state support of 2000 euros. Do you feel the difference, how far are you mentally far from them?

[mat-vey]

Quote: Rubi0

Ahaha, as mentioned above, while you are worried about retirement after 45, the Swiss refuse a 4-day week and state support of 2000 euros. Do you feel the difference, how far are you mentally far from them?

their militia keeps weapons at home - do you feel the difference as their rulers are mentally far from our democrats?

[Rubi0]

Again, from your words, you need weapons not to protect the state, but as I understand it, for violence against the democrats. Therefore, you do not have it, just as there will not be a decent pension. Are you even in your mind to count on a decent pension from the state under a solidarity system? This is archaism and a carbon copy of Soviet laws that simply do not work

[mat-vey]

Until there is violence over the democrats, no laws will work ...

[Max otto]

As Suvorov said - where did the drinking people get a non-drinking army?
The government and the people are one and the same people, they were not brought from another planet.
So we all have to work on ourselves and our neighbors for a long time.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Max Otto

Government and people are the same people

And if you look at the cost of living set by the government for the people, you can't say.

[Max otto]

You did not understand the main message from my comment. Probably because he is probably a good educated person and judge by yourself. This is a mistake, the bulk of the people are poorly educated and also badly educated. We must take the average. In other words, what do you expect from an ordinary boor? The average variant of a Russian or a Belarusian will never raise the cost of living. What we have.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Max Otto

the bulk of the people are poorly educated and also poorly educated.

Well, if it is bad to bring up and disfigure education - this is a natural result ... only the "government" did not seem to have bad conditions for getting an education, and it was better with the availability of culture ...

[marchcat]

I'm afraid I won't be able to wipe myself, the paper is slippery.

[Asad]

In 1993 the last, all-Russian one was held. We decided not to spoil the people with power anymore!

[tuts]

As I see it, our aircraft building companies are fundamentally not allowed to enter the European market

[English tarantas]

And the Swiss themselves would not have bought it. It’s a long way off, and about whether our enterprises will be able to fulfill the order on time and continue to service and modernize the aircraft, the “Swiss bankers” know better than you and me, it’s easier for them to buy from the French, even the inscriptions may not have to be translated.

[vadim dok]

It is possible from the Germans, the same translation is not needed!

[English tarantas]

I just don't remember modern German aircraft, only Tornado, but it's old.

[Servisinzhener]

This is not only a political issue, but mostly in a purely technical one. When buying Russian aircraft, you have to buy all the equipment for their maintenance. To retrain the entire flight and technical staff almost from scratch. Purchase weapons and spare parts. To some extent, alter the equipment of the aircraft themselves. To make it compatible with the communications systems used by the Swiss army.

[Graz]

perhaps Switzerland has the most direct democracy of the people in the world, but this is only for small countries that few neighbors need and their status quo suits everyone, well done Swiss

[halpat]

Quote: Graz

perhaps Switzerland has the most direct democracy of the people in the world, but this is only for small countries that few neighbors need and their status quo suits everyone, well done Swiss

I would say that Switzerland is the only democracy in the world.
everything else is a parody.
any Swiss citizen can propose a law or amendments to the law, and if his proposal gains enough supporters, there will be a referendum, at the cantonal level this works perfectly.
In general: "I don't know such a country ..." (c)

[English tarantas]

any Swiss citizen can propose a law or amendments to the law, and if his proposal gains enough supporters, there will be a referendum, at the cantonal level this works perfectly.

The funny thing is that in our country, it seems, any citizen can propose a law or amendments, and if he gets signatures, then the State Duma will have to consider, as far as I remember. I just vaguely remember, since I have never heard of such a thing.

[Sergej1972]

Well, the dwarf republic of San Marino is also close to this system. On the other hand, in Switzerland very often the expectations of the initiators of referendums are not met. The people often vote against. Or, if the question is not interesting to the majority, people do not go to it, and due to the low turnout a decision is not made. The country is interesting. Along with the right to a referendum, they have a strong party system, strong police and special services.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Graz

perhaps Switzerland has the most direct democracy of the people in the world, but this is only for small countries that few neighbors need and their status quo suits everyone

If they had oil or the Northern Sea Route with the Arctic shelf, or Switzerland would border on Russia so that it would be possible to place American missiles in it - if only they could see their democracy! The "democratizers" from across the ocean, and then the Orange Revolution, would suddenly appear, the banks would be "nationalized" by American bankers and completely open to the FBI and NSA. Watchmaking, chocolate and cheese factories are massively bankrupt and closed. But American bomb carriers fly over the country and the Swiss are happily waving their paws ...

[thinker]

$ 6,4 billion for the purchase of up to 40 fighters

This is 160 million apiece, and no one blathers about corruption and kickbacks? We cannot understand them

On May 18, 2014, 76,2% of citizens spoke out against the introduction of the world's highest minimum wage of 4 thousand francs (4,5 thousand dollars).

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: thinker

That's 160 million apiece

Googled the prices of modern fighters. 160 million still need to fit in. Service contract, training of pilots and technicians, simulators, ground equipment, etc. Typhoon and Rafale will definitely cost more than 160 million.

[thinker]

I don't write from the ceiling -

Poland signed a contract for the purchase of 32 F-35 aircraft in the United States, the contract value is $ 4,6 billion

This will be around 134 million.

[OgnennyiKotik]

About the Polish contract:

The contract value was $ 4,6 billion, in addition to the supply of the aircraft themselves, each of which cost Poland $ 87 million, it includes training of Polish pilots, the supply of flight simulators, as well as logistic support.

Those. the price of the aircraft is 2/3 of the contract, in some contracts even less. It is not known what will happen in the Swiss over the plane, it is not known exactly what modification of the plane will be delivered. Block 3 and Block 4 F35 have a lot of differences, the Super Hornets have a whole zoo of modifications. The same missiles and bombs can be included in the price. I'm talking about that.
And of the F35A aircraft indicated in the article, the cheapest, the Super Hornet has a comparable price, the Europeans are at least a third more expensive.

[Scharnhorst]

In Russia, a similar referendum should be held on the construction of its own aircraft carrier. In case of popular support, Putin would force him to fulfill the will of the people, and in case of denial, they would stop spending money on projects and models! By the way, the price of the question of the Swiss referendum on planes is half the cost of the American "Gerald Ford!

[Pavel57]

Quote: Campanella

By and large, a neutral country does not need an army of such strength and size

It is needed to protect the capital deposited in banks. It was no coincidence that the Germans brought supplies to Switzerland, which helped to rebuild post-war Germany by 80 percent. and 20% comes from the Marshall plan.

[fa2998]

Quote: Dead Day

and what, so it was possible?

In general, in Russia, a referendum is the highest level of power (Article 3 \ 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation) - only we are asked little about anything!