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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine named the preliminary reason for the crash of the An-26

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine named the preliminary reason for the crash of the An-26

The preliminary reason for the crash of a military transport aircraft of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine An-26 near Kharkov is a technical malfunction of the aircraft. This was stated by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Taran.


Some kind of technical malfunction has occurred. What exactly, we will find out. I can't tell you anything about the exercises yet ... We will be able to give a preliminary estimate after decoding the black box

- he noted. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine clarified that one of the sensors in the left engine of the aircraft failed during the flight.

At the same time, the State Bureau of Investigation of Ukraine (SBI) is checking four versions of the reasons for the plane crash, including: a disaster due to a technical malfunction of the aircraft's components; catastrophe due to improper performance of their duties by the crew; improper performance of official duties by persons who were responsible for flight control; inadequate maintenance of the aircraft and its preparation for flight.

The final cause of the crash will be determined after opening the black boxes of the plane. Both boxes have already been found, they survived, but they have not yet been removed from the remains of the aircraft.

Meanwhile, it became known that the An-26 plane that crashed near Kharkov was 43 years old, but in 2020 it was sent for repairs. Under the terms of the contract, the aircraft was to be repaired before October 1 of this year. What kind of work was carried out on the plane and whether it was carried out at all is not yet known.

On the day of the disaster, the An-26 made six take-offs and made five successful landings. In total, he had to make 10 flights. It is said that after each flight the aircraft was inspected by the engineering staff.

Recall that on board the crashed An-26 were 27 people, of which 7 officers and 20 cadets of the Kharkov Air Force University. During the crash, 25 people were killed, two were able to jump out of the plane, they were seriously injured and were taken to a medical facility. According to the press service of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine, at 10:50 (the same time as Moscow time) one of them died from his injuries.
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  1. Operator
    Operator 26 September 2020 11: 47
    -6
    Bandera's supporters dropped the Bandera's, and Josep Borrell showed them naked ... - or else there will be bully
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 26 September 2020 11: 59
      -5
      Josep Borrell ... and who is entot josep !!! 1 as the postman Pechkin said, for the sake of increasing education
      1. nnm
        nnm 26 September 2020 12: 42
        +7
        Head of EU Diplomacy and Security.
        - this is the one who recently said that the EU is not an ATM for Ukraine.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 26 September 2020 13: 32
          +2
          this is the same one that recently said that the EU is not an ATM for Ukraine .... well, pompeo gave the go-ahead and this one without hesitation ..... I remember a certain pomarini or ... in short, I don't remember exactly. but she swore when she entered some kind of high post in the EU, she would immediately start serious contacts with the Russian Federation, but as it turned out, the sanctions chips were all under her signature .... it's time to end with these worthless platforms of the UN and the EU .... sense from them as with goat milk
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 September 2020 13: 51
      19
      Quote: Operator
      Bandera dropped the Bandera,

      PPC ... how many of you are divorced. Children who did not kill anyone died, and they were already dubbed Bendera and Nazis, and so it is right for them.
      Could bomb the Donbass, blah blah blah ... scribble about "onizhedeti" here ... like how much you can feel sorry for.
      Are you baptized at all? Why is it wrong with you all that you rejoice in the deaths of children?
      Did they kill someone, abuse someone? What did they do to you, frostbitten nationalists?
      You curse them and rejoice at their death for one reason - they are Ukrainian cadets.
      And if the American or French cadets, God forbid, die the same way? Do you also dance on bones?
      I am shocked how many infidels are divorced here! No humanity, no compassion.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 26 September 2020 14: 17
        +6
        ADMIN STOP THIS VACANALY, DISCONNECT COMMENTS.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 18
          -6
          Quote: MoJloT
          ADMIN STOP THIS VACANALY, DISCONNECT COMMENTS.

          And they apparently just do not care ... I look at this and am amazed at the people ... as if they were not baptized even once and their mother did not give birth to them.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 26 September 2020 20: 07
            +8
            Quote: MoJloT
            ADMIN STOP THIS VACANALY, DISCONNECT COMMENTS.


            Quote: NEXUS
            And they apparently just do not care ... I look at this and am amazed at the people ... as if they were not baptized even once and their mother did not give birth to them.


            And how do you like this comment, "from the other side," given by the "Okrainsk military expert" shortly before the fall of the An-26 regarding the cadets (many of those killed in the group photo against the background of that very plane)?

            Who will disconnect him from the consciousness of the Russians? Or,"understand and forgive"intent to bomb Voronezh?

            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 September 2020 20: 16
              -4
              Quote: Insurgent
              Who will disconnect him from the consciousness of the Russians?

              Nah ... why? Become like these idiots and from our side scribble the same game. Better yet, lead all these trolls and mess up the people.
              And then don't be surprised why there is so much nationalism, hatred and idiocy in our country, inside.
              Forward, and with the song!
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 26 September 2020 20: 20
                +6
                Quote: NEXUS
                Nah ... why? Become like these idiots and from our side scribble the same game. Better yet, lead all these trolls and mess up the people.
                And then don't be surprised why there is so much nationalism, hatred and idiocy in our country, inside.
                Forward, and with the song!

                Yes, not with a song, but with ideology... Anti-Nazi. With such what it is in the Donbass.

                And I don’t think that Russia can have any other.
                1. Poor
                  Poor 26 September 2020 21: 14
                  -1
                  I would make you all sing the International and teach history, On the national pride of the Great Russians - an article by VI Lenin. Written in December 1914 in Switzerland [1] [2]. Published in the newspaper Sotsial-Demokrat, December 12, 1914, No. 35 [3]. Along with the articles "Critical Notes on the National Question" and "On the Right of Nations to Self-Determination", this article sets out Lenin's views on the national question in Russia and Europe in connection with the First World War. laughing dialectic no one has canceled
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 27 September 2020 20: 51
              -2
              Rusnyu and Colorado poisoning with dust is sacred, ........................................ .................................................. ...
              1. RoTTor
                RoTTor 30 September 2020 15: 24
                -1
                The Lord will punish you and your whole family terribly.
                Wait, you won't hide ...
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 30 September 2020 15: 47
                  0
                  are you broadcasting from the upper forces? or came up with?
                  on you go-is it godly?
                  and who wrote about Colorados 5 years ago - are they saints?
            3. Avior
              Avior 28 September 2020 10: 31
              +1
              "To bomb Voronezh" is a stable Internet meme, "to our own detriment", allegedly attributed to some of the deputies.
              What is the connection, it is not clear
      2. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 26 September 2020 14: 20
        0
        You are right, it becomes sad from the abundance of these couch terminators, it is clear that there is nothing good in their life, if the death of people is a joy for them.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 26 September 2020 17: 46
          +4
          And if not joy and sorrow?
      3. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 26 September 2020 14: 33
        +4
        infidels are those who swore an oath of allegiance to the Bandera outskirts, but you can be seen as one of them
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 37
          +1
          Quote: rotkiv04
          infidels are those who swore an oath of allegiance to the Bandera outskirts, but you can be seen as one of them

          What is Bandera Ukraine, a troll? In Ukraine, the majority of people are normal, not frostbitten like some of those present here.
          And in the Russian Federation there are a lot of people whose close relatives are citizens of Ukraine and live there.
          But who am I? There is no one to talk to and nothing for.
          1. rotkiv04
            rotkiv04 26 September 2020 14: 40
            13
            sick, normal people on the outskirts do not volunteer to serve in the army, turn on your head, although you have a helmet instead of a head
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 57
              -6
              Quote: rotkiv04
              sick, normal people on the outskirts do not volunteer to serve in the army, turn on your head, although you have a helmet instead of a head

              Troll, in Ukraine, UNIVERSITIES are closing ... and then either on call forcibly, or for training, get an education (at least some) and not become cannon fodder. The head must sometimes be turned on, and not only with it, troll!
              I repeat, they didn't kill anyone! So troll, calm down and don't litter the branch with your stream of consciousness.
              1. rotkiv04
                rotkiv04 26 September 2020 15: 17
                11
                sick, at least you don't show your ignorance, on the outskirts no universities are closed and there is no need to carry a blizzard here, but this banderyugent ("onizhedeti") swore an oath of loyalty to his Bandera Batkivshchyna and that says it all, they and people like them have a place in hell ... By the way, I noticed that it is correct to say "In Ukraine" in Russian, but you have "In Ukraine" from which I conclude that you are just from that liberalism that they drown for Bandera
              2. mr.ZinGer
                mr.ZinGer 26 September 2020 15: 24
                +3
                You won't explain anything to them, life is gray and boring, you need an external enemy. After that, everything becomes clear and understandable.
              3. wirbeln
                wirbeln 26 September 2020 16: 20
                +7
                I repeat, they didn't kill anyone! Giving a tooth? Usually, many go to schools after the army (read ATO). Do you give a guarantee that there were all pure angels (read heavenly hundred)?
              4. vitvit123
                vitvit123 26 September 2020 17: 47
                +3
                You to the Institute of Noble Maidens. They will definitely appreciate you there!
              5. Insurgent
                Insurgent 26 September 2020 20: 23
                +6
                Quote: NEXUS
                I repeat, they didn't kill anyone!


                We didn't have time, we couldn't ... It didn't work out ...
              6. Ulysses
                Ulysses 27 September 2020 13: 19
                +1
                Didn't have time to kill.
                Did they study florists?
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 26 September 2020 20: 13
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            What is Bandera Ukraine, a troll?

            Maybe you can tell me something about me, a citizen of the DPR too, "not Bandera Ukraine"? Or write it down to the trolls too?"
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 26 September 2020 23: 46
              -9
              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: NEXUS
              What is Bandera Ukraine, a troll?

              Maybe you can tell me something about me, a citizen of the DPR too, "not Bandera Ukraine"? Or write it down to the trolls too?"

              Frankly, after such comments. many will want to kill you. Even those. who hasn't thought about it before.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 27 September 2020 06: 57
                +3
                Quote: Normal ok
                Frankly, after such comments. many will want to kill you. Even those. who hasn't thought about it before.

                Actually, this is exactly what - KILL, and began to do neobander in April 2014, having moved troops to suppress Donbass, which did not recognize the coup d'etat.

                You, Normal ok, with his sense of murder for a completely balanced and neutral comment - WHAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THEM? ? ?
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 27 September 2020 20: 55
              -2
              Quote: Insurgent
              Maybe you can tell me something about "non-Bandera Ukraine" as well, a citizen of the DPR?

              Or maybe you, a citizen of the DPR, will immediately write down African aborigines as enemies? They don't seem to have done anything to you, but who knows, maybe they will do it in the distant future.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 28 September 2020 09: 25
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Or maybe you, a citizen of the DPR, will immediately write down African aborigines as enemies? They don't seem to have done anything to you, but who knows, maybe they will do it in the distant future.

                You, dill-banderlog, who already killing us, suggesting equating to some mythical African aborigines?

                What is your logic?
          3. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 27 September 2020 19: 17
            +2
            Nexus, excuse me, but after visiting my mother-in-law in the summer of 2015 and looking at the attitude towards Russia, towards the Russians, the statements of the Hramadians, I can definitely say that there are no more than 10 percent of normal Ukrainians left. Do not believe me? .. Look at the voting results in the elections in Ukraine. For pro-Russian candidates and parties - no more than 10-12 percent of the vote.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 27 September 2020 20: 58
              -3
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              Look at the voting results in the elections in Ukraine.

              Voting "nationwide" is such a game that people think that they have the right to vote and that they decide something. But the results of these elections do not depend on the people, on the word at all. And these exaggerated figures are for very naive people.
              As for Ukraine, literally that week I was in Reni and Izmail ... just think, the attitude towards Russians is very good there.
            2. RoTTor
              RoTTor 30 September 2020 15: 31
              +1
              So Russia is to blame: the Ukrainian SSR was a "reserve of stagnation" and the traitors of the ideoluch, led by Kravchuk, spread rot on all living things there, like nowhere else.
              But Russia did not conduct ANY propaganda work on the territory of Ukraine at all, Ross. SMITH has been banned there since the mid-90s, Ross. tv has been disabled for a long time.
              Chernomyrdin limited himself to a single gorgeous reception with caviar and a concert per year.
              And how did the Americans play there?
              So the deceived husband is the last to find out that he has long had huge branchy horns, and the Russian Federation is about ... paws ALL post-Soviet and post-social space.
              And where is the money planned for this?
      4. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 26 September 2020 14: 51
        17
        Where are the children? 2 and 4 courses. children? for me so grown men. and for me personally, the American French cadets are also parallel. Why should I worry about the NATO military bloc? and about the infidels. For example, I'm just an atheist. if there were civilians, there would be compassion. and tell about humanity to the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. they will definitely appreciate.
        1. RoTTor
          RoTTor 30 September 2020 15: 33
          0
          Secondary VU graduated at 20 years old, navigator, flight, command and others at 21 years old, engineering at 22 years old.
          AND EVERYTHING - YOU ARE AN ADULT, YOU ARE AN OFFICER AND ALL THE DEMAND FROM YOU IN FULL
          Now everything is up to retirement - "onizhedeti"
      5. Operator
        Operator 26 September 2020 15: 10
        15
        Onizhedeti - yeah

        1. Operator
          Operator 26 September 2020 15: 14
          17
          Onigechildren # 2

          1. Operator
            Operator 26 September 2020 15: 18
            14
            And this, in the opinion of the Okrainsky minusators, is "Colorado larvae"

            1. mr.ZinGer
              mr.ZinGer 26 September 2020 15: 26
              -8
              So don't be like them ...
      6. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 26 September 2020 15: 57
        11
        Quote: NEXUS

        PPC ... how many of you are divorced. Children who did not kill anyone died, and they were already dubbed Bendera and Nazis, and so it is right for them.
        Could bomb the Donbass, blah blah blah ... scribble about "onizhedeti" here ... like how much you can feel sorry for ...


        From the Ukrainian site:

        One of the 26 killed in the An-26 plane crash is Alexander Skachkov, the son of the Il-76 navigator shot down by the invaders in the sky over Luhansk.

        Alexey Petrov wrote about this on his Facebook page.

        “Now I know for sure that the projectile hits twice into the same funnel. It lays down with millimeter-to-millimeter accuracy, scattering hundreds of fragments around. And each one brings death ... Among the cadets of the flight school who were on board the crashed near Chuguev -26 ”, was Alexander Skochkov, the son of Captain Igor Skochkov, the navigator of the Il-76, shot down by the Russian invaders in the sky of Lugansk.


        President Zelensky:

        Yesterday, as a result of a terrible tragedy - the fall of the An-26 plane near Chuguev - Ukraine lost 26 of its worthy sons. 25 died on the spot and one from burns incompatible with life in the hospital. Another one is being treated. We pray for his speedy recovery. This was stated by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky on Facebook.

        “We lost young cadets and experienced military men, who had their whole life ahead and, sure not one battle victory... Words are hard to find to express the pain of this loss.]


        Do you regret that you did not have time to make "combat victories"?
        1. serzh.kost
          serzh.kost 26 September 2020 17: 15
          +4
          for the "merits" of the punisher-father and the son paid ... karma apparently ...
      7. MA3UTA
        MA3UTA 26 September 2020 17: 18
        -1
        I am shocked how many infidels are divorced here! No humanity, no compassion


        Yes. Like a branch censornet, only of diametrical polarity
        whipping up, forming hatred, enjoying a situation to which they have nothing to do ... just like the stoned ones rejoiced at the death of the "Colorado larvae" or the death of the Alexandrov ensemble ...
        Put on your epaulettes, go to the front, take the Arrow, drop the enemy plane, get a medal, be proud ... It will be deserved
        No, plya, they have fun remotely and safely.

        these are either people with a sick mentality, or couch "warriors" ... such a psychotype will kill / burn / saw off unarmed people and mock a prisoner; he will be able to mock the corpse of the enemy, and boast of his contribution to victory, the main thing is that it is safe and unrequited.

        Boys cadets burned down, Slavs burned down, not in battle.
        Well, what is not a reason for the manifestation of their belligerence and patriotism for the stoned?

        People must remain and not become like animals.
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      9. antivirus
        antivirus 27 September 2020 20: 48
        0
        Children who did not kill anyone died, and they were already christened Bendera and Nazis, and so they need it.

        - "they are children" will fulfill the order of Turchinov and the Moscow Region of Ukraine for delivery on the same AN26 for the landing of airmobiles in the Donbass ???
        Kernes must hold a referendum on joining Russia - then these are their children
    3. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 26 September 2020 14: 31
      -3
      yeah, the earth jumped sharply and how it will give on the left wing and get rid of, but they forgot to voice the main version - it was Putin on the left wing, he sent the banderyugent to the underworld
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 September 2020 12: 10
    +5
    The planes are badly worn out ... just already, it seems, "beyond" the permissible. Well, repair, um, well, like repair ...
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 26 September 2020 13: 04
      +1
      Well, actually, this airplane was made in Ukraine and the engines on it are from Zaporozhye, in theory, it should be normal. These are Il, Su and MiG - they were not made in Banderland and there are no spare parts for them. Here they are very dangerous in terms of operation \
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 26 September 2020 14: 04
        0
        Quote: TermNachTER
        this airplane is made in Ukraine and the engines on it are from Zaporozhye, in theory it should be normal

        All this is of course true, but even its own, it costs money, which in general is not in Ukraine. Almost completely. And aviation is a very expensive pleasure.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 26 September 2020 21: 42
          -1
          I won't say about the glider - I don't know, but the new engines are somewhere around a million apiece, powered somewhere around 350 thousand, of course, not hryvnia.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 27 September 2020 16: 39
            0
            It's not a secret. It is enough to go to the Motor Sich website. It is also no secret that an extra million, or even 350 thousand dollars, for the Ukrainian budget is almost unaffordable money. What I wrote above.
      2. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 26 September 2020 20: 13
        -1
        fat my friend ... very fat
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 26 September 2020 13: 51
      0
      In a normal country, after repair, they give a 1 year warranty for the aircraft! So, the fall is no longer an ordinary one and the consequences and disassembly can be not sickly, including the grounds for extending the life of this aircraft ... Although everything is possible for the Outskirts, I do not understand at all how their planes fly, especially combat ones and who dare to fly on them, to put it mildly ?!
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 26 September 2020 12: 15
    11
    And at what plant "were they supposed to be repaired"? And the deadline is until October 1! It means that they haven't taken it up at all. Who makes such a car fly? But if you look closely and think, then the whole situation with the plane is a vivid picture of Ukraine. They did not complete it, did not check it, hoped for the Soviet reserve, hurried and fell apart, ditching the people. So it will be the same with Ukraine-country.
    1. nnm
      nnm 26 September 2020 12: 45
      +8
      It seems that according to the documents, he was under repair. The normal scheme of withdrawing money in exchange for life. In general, I would not even be surprised if this is so. This is normal for Ukraine.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 26 September 2020 13: 05
      +1
      Well, in theory, either the manufacturing plant is Antonov or the Kiev ARZ, if it is alive.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 26 September 2020 13: 08
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      And at what plant "were they supposed to be repaired"? And the deadline is until October 1! It means that they haven't taken it up at all. Who makes such a car fly?

      No, well, the tridents were filled with new ones on the case through a stencil, and the paint was refreshed on the chew-blakite ensign. On this in the course of the overhaul and ended yes
  4. fn34440
    fn34440 26 September 2020 12: 16
    -11 qualifying.
    In vain the pig-eaters against the father-Lukashenka, they staged a muddle with undemocratic elections.
    He, immediately, in aviation kerosene, he muddied sheep's enuresis, with metal shavings. Old Man does not forgive insults.
  5. ddmitrij
    ddmitrij 26 September 2020 12: 20
    0
    Military aircraft An-26, which crashed near the city of Chuguev in the Kharkiv region, according to preliminary data, could catch on the ground with its wing.
    So the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reports.

    But what about the people who jumped down without a parachute? Why did they jump if the plane was already striking its wings on the ground?
    1. loki565
      loki565 26 September 2020 12: 24
      +1
      It's not clear if they jumped out as they got burned. The plane fell apart in two, most likely they were simply thrown away.
      1. ddmitrij
        ddmitrij 26 September 2020 13: 00
        -2
        There, several people jumped out of the plane. Eyewitnesses saw. One of them is of moderate severity in the hospital.
        And there is a video in which a man in flames runs from the plane. He most likely died.
        Very sad! Most are very young guys.
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 26 September 2020 13: 52
          +4
          Most are very young guys.
          Hitler Agent
          1. rotkiv04
            rotkiv04 26 September 2020 14: 35
            +3
            and many died, and in the opinion of the Nexus and Co. they are very sorry, "they are"
        2. Reviews
          Reviews 26 September 2020 18: 11
          0
          Quote: ddmitrij
          There, several people jumped out of the plane. Eyewitnesses saw.

          Rave. Eyewitnesses just fancied in the darkness, stress and unusual environment.
      2. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 26 September 2020 13: 58
        +6
        Quote: loki565
        It's not clear if they jumped out as they got burned. The plane fell apart in two, most likely they were simply thrown away.

        There is little information. The pilot was going to land the car on one engine, he was calm, he was sure that he would land. There is a version that he confused the lane with the highway? Soviet technology began to refuse to serve their enemies who seized it by the will of fate, there was no need for young people to go to such an army that war with Russia. Perhaps someone was forced, but the bulk went there deliberately.
  6. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 26 September 2020 12: 23
    +8
    How strange it is that there is no other version - a terrorist attack by the aggressor (even the Russian Federation or the LDNR) ...
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 26 September 2020 12: 34
      +3
      the final will be
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  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 26 September 2020 12: 23
    -3
    Tragedy, gone very young, my condolences to family and friends.
    1. svoit
      svoit 26 September 2020 13: 37
      +3
      By their death, they extended the lives of many, 27 saved hundreds, maybe thousands of lives.
      "the hero of the fat!"
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 26 September 2020 20: 17
        -4
        do not be foolish. it doesn't paint you
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 27 September 2020 21: 03
      0
      I express my condolences too. AND I HOPE THAT ALL AVIATION OF THE REGION WILL STAND FOR WINTER LIKE BEARS IN THE BURLOG UNTIL --- MAY 9, NOT MAY 8. Asiaopia or Zap Europe - choose who will help you build aviation?
  8. New Year day
    New Year day 26 September 2020 12: 27
    -22 qualifying.
    Quote: Operator
    Bandera's supporters dropped the Bandera's, and Josep Borrell showed them naked ... - or else there will be

    Bare your teeth at the dead. Why are you better than the same Bandera? They, just like you, rejoiced at the incurred losses. Ashamed
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 26 September 2020 13: 11
      23
      I would like to replace that in the near future, these boys would graduate from college, come to the combat units. And there the command is to fly to bomb Donbass. Do you feel sorry for the people and children of Donbass? Over the past 6 years, more than 170 children under the age of 16 have died in Donbas. What are they to blame? Since 2014, anyone entering a military school cannot but understand what a punisher and executioner will be made of him.
      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 26 September 2020 13: 59
        -2
        As far as I know, since the 15th year, aviation has not been used over the Donbas.
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 26 September 2020 14: 04
          -5
          since the 15th year, aviation has not been used over Donbass.
          Here everyone is on the side.
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 05
          +9
          Do you think out of the kindness of your soul or out of considerations of humanism?))) The reason, to the point of banality, is simple - lack of motor resources. Of all the Bandera Su-27s, only 8 underwent normal repairs with modernization, in Russia in 2006-08. And even then, two of them Yushchenko sold mattress toppers. The rest of the Bandera Air Force is maintained in flight condition by removing spare parts from other vehicles. But the source of spare parts is already running out. So the remainder of the resource, for combat aircraft, for the Banderlog is minimal.
        3. sektant777
          sektant777 27 September 2020 05: 32
          +4
          And why don't they fly ??? Have you become afraid? Already on the "air conditioners" do not shoot with impunity, as soon as they began to ground the Ukroluftwaffe.
      2. JD1979
        JD1979 26 September 2020 14: 13
        -8
        Quote: TermNachTER
        I want to replace that in the near future,

        you may take some action falling under the Criminal Code with grave consequences for the life and health of others, and therefore I propose to prevent you from harmlessly in order to save lives.
        Shl. do not pass off your delusional fantasies, requiring the use of heavy drugs for stopping, for other. Neither you nor anyone else can predict the actions of other people in the distant future, but you can get an inconvenient diagnosis. And agul to write everyone into Bandera ... very much looks like the same enrollment of all in quilted jackets, you are not from there for an hour?
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 15
          11
          You don't need to be Vanga to know what will happen to a lieutenant who graduated from a military school))))
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 26 September 2020 14: 21
            -5
            Quote: TermNachTER
            You don't need to be Vanga to know what will happen to a lieutenant who graduated from a military school))))

            There is no need to be alternatively gifted, a lot of pilots studying to become BTA pilots go to civilian life, they pay stupidly much more there. Wang further, while it is unsuccessful, the straightforwardness and stereotyped thinking of a person with low self-esteem affects: a military man is a Bandera member, a Ukrainian is crap, and so on. Take care of yourself, maybe something will change.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 31
              +7
              What country are you writing about? If you don’t know, then I’ll tell you a touching but instructive story about a banderlyad. Those who graduate from college are obliged to serve 5 years in the Bandera Air Force or return the entire amount spent on his training. Therefore, you do not need to be Vanga and so everything is clear)))
              1. JD1979
                JD1979 26 September 2020 14: 39
                -4
                Quote: TermNachTER
                What country are you writing about? If you don’t know, then I’ll tell you a touching but instructive story about a banderlyad.

                Tell yourself.
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Those who graduate from college are obliged to serve 5 years in the Bandera Air Force or return the entire amount spent on his training.

                Let me show you America, this rule applies in all countries.
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Therefore, you do not need to be Vanga and so everything is clear)))

                The diagnosis is clear: low social responsibility, with an excessively overestimated PSI.
                PS: logic test, is it included in the training program for combat aviation flight personnel, flights as part of the crew of a VTA aircraft, the same An-26? Here are the technicians, flight engineers, navigators, and others.
                But, I repeat, your narrow-minded, notorious thinking does not allow you to suggest alternative options, except for all those on board like this, immediately upon completion, jump into combat aircraft and immediately rush to bomb someone. Do you see enemies under the bed?
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 44
                  +3
                  Is there a civil war in all countries where this rule applies? And tomorrow, today's graduate will be sent to the front))) alternative options are for Anal, he is alternatively gifted with you)))
                  1. JD1979
                    JD1979 26 September 2020 15: 00
                    -4
                    And alternative ones, when the arguments run out, like to translate the arrows to their relatives))).
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 26 September 2020 15: 30
                      +6
                      Young man, I do not live in Russia, because your Anal cannot relate to me or my relatives in any way. I have enough arguments for two more volumes, but I'm not going to prove something to you, I already understood. And finally, the opinion of other people about me does not interest me at all, from the word at all, in principle. What I stand and what I mean, I proved to myself in 1988-89 "across the river." And to the opinion of the pioneer, who in this life has not seen anything, I do not care, to put it mildly.
                      1. JD1979
                        JD1979 26 September 2020 18: 53
                        -5
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Young man, I don't live in Russia,

                        I sympathize, or congratulate, you know better. Thank you for the young man))
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        because your Anal, neither me nor my relatives can relate in any way

                        He's the same mine as yours, where did you get the idea that I live in Russia?
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        I have enough arguments for two more volumes, but I'm not going to prove something to you, I already understood.

                        Well, if a reference to Navalny, (which in your case sounds like it can be interpreted as either your sexual addictions or insults)))), the argument ... well, I don't want to know about the rest))
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        What I stand and what I mean, I proved to myself in 1988-89 "across the river."

                        Yeah, only, based on your statements, you stayed there (no one canceled post-traumatic syndrome), and you perceive people on the territory of Ukraine exclusively as there, beyond the river. I sympathize, but these are your problems, if you do not solve them, your business. But don't throw it out on the Internet.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        And to the opinion of the pioneer, who in this life has not seen anything, to put it mildly - I don't care.

                        Wang again? It’s none of your business.
                        PS: I have acquaintances of the Ukrainian military, absolutely adequate people, unlike you, who are still looking through the scope.
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 September 2020 21: 44
                        +2
                        Call punishers and executioners - adequate people)))) I see no reason to communicate further. All the best
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 26 September 2020 14: 29
          -6
          Quote: TermNachTER
          to know what will happen to the lieutenant who graduated from the military school

          That's right, you don't have to be Vanga: he will go to fulfill the orders of his Country. What can be blamed on him? A pathological killer does not seem to be recruited into the army. We don't like his country, but departed this is not to blame. There is a mood - dig deeper: which of the powers that be silently watched what the neighbor was turning into and did nothing .., and further down the list.
          The fact that an unfriendly country will not get two dozen pilots is such a fate.
          And the fact that almost three dozen souls left for the Lord ahead of time - condolences to relatives
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 47
            +5
            Explain to me blunt. Eighteen-year-old boy - enters a military school, in a country in which the civil war has been going on for the seventh year. Does he not understand where he is climbing?
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 26 September 2020 14: 57
              -3
              You seem to have already answered your own question - these generations have been brainwashed by generations and entering the military school they are proudly preparing to defend their homeland. And they believe that they are fighting the armies of the Morder ... And I repeat - there are a lot of questions for the powers that be from both countries: while the gesheft were sawing, about the countries, how will they live, who thought? Or silently watched as the 404s laid the country under civilized
              And the brainwashed 404th qualitatively: next year I graduate 30th - our classmate does not communicate with us - you attacked us, you .... And for this reason his wife stopped communicating with her father, our teacher. Something like this.
              PS And what, comments on the first article were still banned?
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 26 September 2020 15: 07
                +8
                I live in Ukraine. Brainwashing is a few percent. All the rest perfectly understand the essence of this war. It's just that for some it's making money, the sizes are different. Someone gets billions, and someone 20 thousand UAH.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 26 September 2020 15: 15
                  -2
                  I can only be glad that there are many adequate people. Your children are sure to understand what is happening. Probably your friends have the same situation. But as we ourselves see, this is not the case everywhere. In addition, these a few percent very active, organized, and someone shares a gesheft and creates an illusion of opportunity, power ...
                  I repeat: the fact that future servicemen will be missing is fate. And my condolences. Today I brought to the first article the words of the head of the Zhukovskaya Academy Deeply shocked by the tragedy that claimed the lives of cadets and pilots of the Ukrainian An-26 aircraft near Kharkov. Those in love with the sky empathize with each loss of colleagues as their own. The sky divides no one into friends and foes... Among other things, the reasons are really interesting.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 26 September 2020 21: 18
                    0
                    I repeat - everything is decided by money. For pozriots there is a price list - just stand - 200 UAH, stand - shout - 400 UAH. etc. If you run out of money, you run out of pozriots. And Zapukra, in general, is all working in Geyrop and all their hopes are to stay there forever. They are heroes on Facebook and Twitter, from Berlin and Naples)))
            2. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 26 September 2020 20: 33
              -7
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Eighteen-year-old boy - enters a military school, in a country in which the civil war has been going on for the seventh year.

              But once we also had a civil war from 94-2004. Now project your theses on the boys from military schools in the dashing years of Yeltsin. Our military, too, had to disband during the struggle of the drunk to the delight of the amers?
              1. Yok Migarek
                Yok Migarek 26 September 2020 22: 13
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Eighteen-year-old boy - enters a military school, in a country in which the civil war has been going on for the seventh year.

                But once we also had a civil war from 94-2004. Now project your theses on the boys from military schools in the dashing years of Yeltsin. Our military, too, had to disband during the struggle of the drunk to the delight of the amers?

                Something I'm confused. What kind of civil war did we have? Whom and with whom?
                1. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 27 September 2020 06: 22
                  0
                  first and second Chechen wars
                  1. Yok Migarek
                    Yok Migarek 27 September 2020 14: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                    first and second Chechen wars

                    Do you call the war with non-humans blowing up houses, theaters, schools, subways civil? Me not!
                    1. Alexander Seklitsky
                      Alexander Seklitsky 27 September 2020 17: 33
                      0
                      Well, before the troops entered Grozny, no houses were blown up. And yes, Chechnya ... this is a subject of the federation, so formally it was a civil conflict within one country. Well, it's not about that. It's about the fact that in those years the Yeltsin government was completely pro-Western and anti-people, and that very conflict was beneficial. How much dough did Berezovsky make there, and what should everyone not have to join the army in those years? Will it be dismissed for the joy of the entire Western world and the vigorous hand over the bomb?
                    2. Yok Migarek
                      Yok Migarek 27 September 2020 21: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                      Well, before the troops entered Grozny, no houses were blown up. ...

                      You will read the memories of people who managed to survive on the territory of "Ichkeria" before the introduction of troops. Russians were massacred by families and villages! There are thousands of dead. Citizens, damn it !!! This was not a civil war. It was the destruction of terror.
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      3. antivirus
        antivirus 27 September 2020 21: 06
        0
        graduated from a military school))))

        will go to the Okiyan mosquito fleet - the planes will end soon .. maybe the Germans and Franks help the old ones
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 27 September 2020 21: 36
      0
      In this SS studied, it's like training from ISIS passed with a complete flush, as people they died long ago.
      he will go to fulfill the orders of his Country

      The Germans suddenly spoke in chorus that they were following orders. After all, they were all soldiers and for disobedience could be punished according to the military laws of their state. They believed that this alone was enough to recognize any punitive decision of the Nuremberg Tribunal as unfair.

      https://svpressa.ru/post/article/99581/
  9. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 September 2020 14: 25
    -5
    Quote: TermNachTER
    the boys would graduate from college, come to combat units

    Babies will also grow up and join the army. Atu them, these babies?
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 35
      +5
      Do not be mischievous. This is not about babies, but about 18-year-olds who deliberately made their choice. These babies burned people in Odessa and now they beat and kill those who disagree
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 September 2020 15: 25
        -6
        Quote: TermNachTER
        deliberately made their choice

        But how do you know who is there and what choice was made and which of these choices is conscious? To assert that all the victims consciously prepared themselves for war crimes - one must have a lot of intelligence.
        A military school on the territory of our country colonized by our "partners" is, of course, a slippery slope, and one can begin to regret a person from the moment he entered it. But this is not a crime yet. To rejoice in the death of such a person means to deny him the very opportunity, sooner or later, to correct his life path before, I emphasize, the commission of a crime to which this path leads many. Exactly with the same success, you can begin to kill the Moladenians, as I wrote to you above, who were born on the territory where the system makes people of their own kind of haters, from which they were torn away by the will of the colonialists. You have no right to this. Therefore, your strange glee is perceived by others accordingly.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 26 September 2020 21: 38
          +5
          You did not forget for an hour that Ukraine is several times smaller than Russia - in terms of territories, inhabitants and army. Evil tongues assert that it is good for those who permanently live in Ukraine if there are 35 million. UkroSS is respectively 250 thousand, although in reality there are fewer conscripts, "dead souls", deserters, etc. And therefore, entering Banderaffen for a contract or a military school, with a 95% probability, will guarantee you get to the Donbass. It will only be a matter of time - immediately or after some time
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 26 September 2020 12: 36
    16
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Operator
    Bandera's supporters dropped the Bandera's, and Josep Borrell showed them naked ... - or else there will be

    Bare your teeth at the dead. Why are you better than the same Bandera? They, just like you, rejoiced at the incurred losses. Ashamed

    usually agree with you a lot. But not at this time. at the moment they are enemies. why should I grieve? I do not care. they will not kill any of ours.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 26 September 2020 12: 39
      -7
      at the moment they are enemies
      Are you fighting with someone on your couch?
      1. nnm
        nnm 26 September 2020 12: 51
        16
        Well, this .... I am now not at war in the field with some kind of zigzag "Azov", joyfully making videos about how they kill residents of Donbass or burn people in Odessa, so I should not consider such animals enemies?
        As for the specific case - yes, it is a human pity.
        But at the same time I understand that these are the real enemies who are being prepared precisely for the war with us. This is an objective reality. I will not gloat and rejoice. But I won't regret it either.
        1. Threaded screw
          Threaded screw 26 September 2020 12: 54
          -7
          I am now not at war in the field with some kind of zigging "Azov"
          What prevents?
          1. nnm
            nnm 26 September 2020 12: 58
            +3
            Enough already. War is the work of the young.
            Although I will not hide, a couple of years ago they offered a good position.
            1. Threaded screw
              Threaded screw 26 September 2020 13: 01
              -12 qualifying.
              War is the work of the young.
              You do not miss the keys on the keyboard, so not so old, in front!
              1. nnm
                nnm 26 September 2020 13: 04
                +6
                Thank you for your very important opinion to me.
                1. Threaded screw
                  Threaded screw 26 September 2020 13: 08
                  -14 qualifying.
                  Thank you for your very important opinion to me.
                  Good old man.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 26 September 2020 12: 42
    13
    The earth is glass wool to the perished "cadets". They voluntarily enlisted for the sake of 30 pieces of silver to serve the Nazi government in Kiev, and were ready to kill and die for the protection of this Nazi government. Nobody forced them to enter the military school, unlike the conscripts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who are forced to do military service. These "cadets" are no different from the ideological Nazis of Hitler, who were recruited into the SS, since they went to serve in the SS exclusively voluntarily, unlike the Wehrmacht, where they were called up, and for evading the draft one could end up in a concentration camp. It was not for nothing that the Ukrainian Nazis were not drafted into the Wehrmacht, since they were not German citizens, but went to recruit for 100 marks in the SS Galicia division. Well, these "cadets" did not have the chance to kill for the sake of this Nazi power, they did not have time, but they had to die for the sake of this Nazi power. wassat .
    1. Ben Gunn
      Ben Gunn 26 September 2020 12: 47
      10
      I support. They knew perfectly well who they were studying against. That's where they go.
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 26 September 2020 14: 45
      0
      Kuzya, on the whole, I agree with you, but the last thing: "but they had to die for the sake of this Nazi power" You seem not to realize, but you repeat their slogans.
      In my opinion, the cadets died not for the sake of their power, but for the sake of those who fill their pockets by robbing their people ..
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 27 September 2020 21: 45
        0
        but for the sake of those who fill their pockets by robbing their people ..
        Rather, in order to then fill their pockets at the expense of the killed residents of the DPR LPR.
    3. JD1979
      JD1979 26 September 2020 14: 52
      -6
      Another ... alternatively gifted ... himself a glass wool bed. If you really consider yourself to be a Russian, then it's either good about the dead or not at all, although according to what you have written you are still not Rus ...
      Why is it bad to go to a university that trains engineers and technicians for the operation of aircraft, specialists in flight management and others? That a technician "twisting the nut" of any transport worker is also an accomplice of the Nazi government? A person who, after graduation, just wanted to associate himself with aviation, and went to study at a university in his country, automatically receives the status of a Nazi, from an expert like you? You know, you just ... "obscene expression"
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 26 September 2020 20: 46
        +4
        Yes, I am not rushing, I am drilling Zhondorov from armored cavalry division number 623, plus a regiment of Chechen lancers and a battalion of Yakut snipers were added to us. So tremble, pan!
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 26 September 2020 12: 43
    13
    I wanted to write about condolences and so on blah blah blah, but I can’t be hypocritical. If it were a civilian plane, with civilians on board, it’s another matter, but here is a military plane with future officers who were being prepared for the war with Russia ... I think that the world has only become safer ...
    1. Blue fox
      Blue fox 26 September 2020 12: 57
      0
      and here is a military plane with future officers who were trained specifically for a war with Russia ... I think that the world has only become safer ...

      What are you, colleague. The officers have nothing to do with it, they do not start wars, but politicians. As for who the military is preparing to fight against, in a "decent" army they are preparing to fight against any enemy. Once I closely studied the mine explosives of NATO countries, however, China and the former Warsaw Pact countries, as well as the performance characteristics of various types of their weapons, but this did not hate either the Spaniards, or the Germans, or the Americans and others.
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 26 September 2020 13: 05
        +5
        Quote: Blue Fox
        The officers have nothing to do with

        At least the top military leadership always has something to do with it, because for this case, you can knock out additional funds from politicians for military needs ...
        1. Blue fox
          Blue fox 26 September 2020 13: 15
          -4
          At least the top military leadership is always with

          Perhaps, but none of them died in this disaster. The crew and the snotty boys.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 26 September 2020 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: Blue Fox
        in a "decent" army they prepare to fight against any enemy.

        So far, they are fighting on their territory and against their own people (according to their own statements). So you wrote it right - a "decent" army, in quotes.
      3. Astra wild
        Astra wild 26 September 2020 14: 27
        +4
        The Soviet Union hoped for world peace, but prepared for the worst: "mine-explosive devices of NATO countries, but also China and the former Warsaw Pact countries" and therefore WE HAVE A POWERFUL ARMY
        “Because of this, I did not begin to hate either the Spaniards, or the Germans, or the Americans,” because of the fact that the Soviet Union did not have the practice of creating an image of the enemy. We have always been open to the world! I don't know if it's good or not, but we were raised that way
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 26 September 2020 12: 49
    17
    Quote: Trapp1st
    at the moment they are enemies
    Are you fighting with someone on your couch?

    I'm not fighting on the couch. the sofa is not for that. and it was not me who adopted the "course of joining NATO" into the constitution. neither I nor my country recognized Russia as an aggressor country. not my country awards cov from waffen ss. it is not me and not my country that kills people in Donbass (and I have a cousin in Lugansk with children and her disabled husband, whom these people made him to). neither I nor my country tried to carry out terrorist attacks in Crimea. These cadets (military people who have taken an oath of allegiance to their country, hostile to my country) who are they to me? friends? no. they are my enemies.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 26 September 2020 14: 45
      -8
      I'm not fighting on the couch
      Are you fighting in the comments?
      and I have a cousin sister with children in Lugansk
      And you are wasting time here ...
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 September 2020 13: 08
    +4
    Those born to grunt cannot fly.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 September 2020 13: 16
    +2
    The "preliminary reason" is where: in the Ze office, in the MOU, in the bureau, in the traffic police? Has the Commission of Inquiry Started its work? A general list of causes of accidents is listed.
    "Technical malfunction of equipment" is "oil oil", just like "there is a possibility".
    General impression: after 1991 there was a degradation of everything. Uzhos.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 26 September 2020 13: 21
    -5
    Servicemen died while completing the assigned task, I do not understand the schadenfreude of some in the chat, this can happen in every army, our videoconferencing is no exception
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 26 September 2020 13: 26
      10
      Yes, there is no schadenfreude. you are right in any army this is possible, and it happens from time to time. there are simply armies that do not pose a threat to us, and there are openly hostile ones. and why would their fate personally sadden me? I'm not an adherent of tolerant bullshit.
    2. iouris
      iouris 26 September 2020 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      The servicemen died while completing the assigned task, I do not understand gloating

      Gloating is not good, however, these "servicemen" are brought up in the rules of strict pro-Americanism ("America is with us!") And hatred of "Russia." In fact, it is a resource that should be thrown against "Russia" for the cause of transnational structures. Ukraine is an ant-Russian project that envisages the capture of Moscow (and not only). That is why it is not clear to me why the head of the Russian Air Force Academy made a statement on this matter before the father-in-chief. This should be clarified, and maybe there should be targeted personnel decisions.
      1. CommanderDIVA
        CommanderDIVA 26 September 2020 20: 55
        0
        Well then, at least post a link in the chat to the training program for Kharkov cadets in the pro-American style and hatred towards us, photos from training stands, textbooks with arrows aimed at bombing Belgorod, Kursk and Moscow, where is the specifics?
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  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 26 September 2020 13: 32
    10
    Bare your teeth at the dead. Why are you better than the same Bandera? They, just like you, rejoiced at the incurred losses. Ashamed

    We don't bite our teeth, we don't rejoice ... We just state that 25 people will never again fly to kill residents of Donbass ... or Russia.
  • monster
    monster 26 September 2020 13: 36
    +6
    The wheel of genothy knows no fatigue. Bandera's guys have done it over the SU-30! Get it and sign it, you swine!
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 26 September 2020 13: 36
    0
    Quote: Threaded Screw
    I am now not at war in the field with some kind of zigging "Azov"
    What prevents?


    , but himself, why not on the front line? Is Yurko Stets paying more and nothing will arrive? Svidomo and wise)
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 26 September 2020 13: 58
      -5
      and why not on the front line?
      I ask you, knocking on the keyboard from a burning tank))
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 26 September 2020 13: 40
    +6
    Quote: Blue Fox
    and here is a military plane with future officers who were trained specifically for a war with Russia ... I think that the world has only become safer ...

    What are you, colleague. The officers have nothing to do with it, they do not start wars, but politicians. As for who the military is preparing to fight against, in a "decent" army they are preparing to fight against any enemy. Once I closely studied the mine explosives of NATO countries, however, China and the former Warsaw Pact countries, as well as the performance characteristics of various types of their weapons, but this did not hate either the Spaniards, or the Germans, or the Americans and others.


    If an officer serves a bad regime, then he is also responsible for it. He serves him voluntarily. In Nuremberg, many also referred to the fact that they were soldiers and carried out orders. This did not relieve them of responsibility, because of this they did not cease to be executioners and punishers.
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 26 September 2020 13: 46
    +2
    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    Servicemen died while completing the assigned task, I do not understand the schadenfreude of some in the chat, this can happen in every army, our videoconferencing is no exception


    Get off the couch and welkam in the LPNR - look what the same boys have done here. The death of an enemy does not cause gloating, but it brings satisfaction that there are fewer of those who can potentially kill you.
  • svoit
    svoit 26 September 2020 13: 47
    -2
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    They voluntarily enlisted for the sake of 30 pieces of silver to serve the Nazi authorities in Kiev

    And what did Russia do that they did not serve the Nazis there? Absolutely nothing, even those who crossed our border - were returned back to the Nazis. Until now, there is no state. support programs, who would like to come to us, they will sooner be returned straight to the SBU prison.

    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    how in the SS they went to serve exclusively voluntarily,

    do not be a victim of propaganda, there was also an appeal there since 1943, although before the war not every volunteer was taken there.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 26 September 2020 13: 48
    -9
    I looked at the comments.
    What can I say. The "Russian world" has a holiday today.
    Everyone, including the admins, scored on the site rules ??
    Inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: Ukrainian, Khokhlyandiya, Jew, USA, Bulbash, Talaponets, Churka, Khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, Moskal, Rashka (in general, the mention of Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech ;
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 26 September 2020 13: 57
      +1
      since when did such words as Ukrainian, Azeri, Jew become the turns of not natural speech ??? however, representatives of these nationalities have the right to take offense at you.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 26 September 2020 14: 05
        -2
        These are the site rules that you accepted by registering here
        https://topwar.ru/rules.html
        I recommend reading and thinking about contextual meaning. It's about time.
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 26 September 2020 14: 14
          0
          there is no need to pull an owl onto the globe and look for sedition where it is not.
      2. svoit
        svoit 26 September 2020 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: Skarpzd
        since when did such words as Ukrainian ... become the turns of not natural speech ???

        I think since 1918.
        Previously, they called themselves Little Russians by their place of residence and Russians by nationality and were proud of this.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 September 2020 13: 50
    +1
    Some kind of technical malfunction has occurred.
    the air conditioner just exploded. laughing
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 26 September 2020 14: 00
    +2
    including: a disaster due to a technical malfunction of the aircraft units; catastrophe due to improper performance of their duties by the crew; improper performance of official duties by persons who were responsible for flight control; inadequate aircraft maintenance and preparation for flight.
    Seeing and knowing the general picture of the chaos taking place in Ukraine. And in all areas. Most likely, all of the above factors are the cause of the disaster. More-less.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 26 September 2020 14: 18
    +2
    "Was it carried out at all" it may well be that the plane has undergone a major overhaul on paper.
    "After each flight, the plane was inspected by the engineering and technical staff" Did they REALLY INSPECT that plane at least once ?. But they did not forget to receive money
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 September 2020 14: 21
    0
    On day 6 takeoffs? Isn't it too much, or a typo? Maybe on the day of catastrophe since 2000 he flew so much?
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 26 September 2020 14: 35
      -1
      By the way, yes. the opinion of experts is interesting. for a flying desk is this a lot or normal?
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 26 September 2020 18: 43
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      On day 6 takeoffs? Is it too much, or a typo?

      Fine. Not with full weight. We have IL-76 and more cycles are wound in tense periods. Not every day, of course. Such trainings are held, well, every 2-3 months. There are also workouts without touching ("leaving the neighbor"). Previously, there were also conveyors - touching, running 300-500 meters, going up - but now they are not practiced in Russia. I don't know about Ukraine.
  • yfast
    yfast 26 September 2020 14: 21
    +7
    Quote: NEXUS

    PPC ... how many of you are divorced. Children who did not kill anyone died, and they were already dubbed Bendera and Nazis, and so it is right for them.
    I am shocked how many infidels are divorced here! No humanity, no compassion.

    Go to the peacemaker and read there how the same children rejoice and hoot every death of a military man in our country. And you will immediately understand that there is still complete tolerance.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 26 September 2020 14: 37
      -6
      the same children rejoice and hoot every death of a military man in our country.
      Do you want to become the same?
  • senima56
    senima56 26 September 2020 14: 36
    -7
    Sorry guys. The kingdom of heaven to them!
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 September 2020 14: 47
      +1
      Go to the temple.
  • yfast
    yfast 26 September 2020 15: 42
    +3
    Quote: MoJloT
    Do you want to become the same?

    I want to, but alas, it won't work.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 26 September 2020 15: 56
      -3
      I want to, but alas, it won't work.
      Why won't it work? You are not bad at it anymore.
  • ankir13
    ankir13 26 September 2020 15: 57
    -5
    Sad news, even though the NATO cadets are still Orthodox. The kingdom of heaven to the lads, once were brothers, lost souls.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 27 September 2020 21: 54
      0
      Judas was also a brother once ...
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 26 September 2020 15: 59
    +6
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: rotkiv04
    sick, normal people on the outskirts do not volunteer to serve in the army, turn on your head, although you have a helmet instead of a head

    Troll, in Ukraine, UNIVERSITIES are closing ... and then either on call forcibly, or for training, get an education (at least some) and not become cannon fodder. The head must sometimes be turned on, and not only with it, troll!
    I repeat, they didn't kill anyone! So troll, calm down and don't litter the branch with your stream of consciousness.

    and they won't kill .... specifically these cadets ... but there were also 7 officers - their track record is interesting ..... and by the way, why did you react to the "Bandera members" like that? they call us maskals and no one reflects ... but you react so sharply
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 26 September 2020 16: 10
    +9
    "pity" and remind me what teaching is now going on in Ukraine? And who trains with whom, and most importantly - in spite of which country is it being held?
    Ukraine is NOT a friendly country to us - and their "mouthpieces" often and loudly declare this ... our uncle Vova rubs everything for fraternal peoples, labor for peace in May. Cadets are servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not children. They are adults and have already taken the oath.
    Therefore, to call for philanthropy and humanism - go to "penis". Why should we pity them and show them complicity? Who are they to us? And it is NOT NECESSARY to lie about the majority of normal Ukrainians - no one has seen the anti-war movement, which enjoys wide support in Ukraine, or the movement for friendship with Russia, has never seen it !!!! There is no reason to rejoice - we just don't care, BUT we won't be sad either.
    And for those who whine about they are children - look at the Maidan - there "onizhedeti" shouted very famously "Muscovites at knives" .... and that's how the "knives" pitchfork came.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 26 September 2020 16: 25
    -3
    The entire aviation fraternity mourns for the dead.
    Naturally, Russian colleagues were among the first to send their condolences.
    Moreover, the Russian-Ukrainian war is only in the sick imagination of the Maydauns
    But the Ukrainian Svilomites do not know this feeling.
    The mill of God turns slowly, but it rewards everyone.
    It is not forgotten how the Maydauns rejoiced after the disasters with Russian aircraft.
    That backfired ...
    It's only the beginning.

    By the way, the American B-52s adored by the Ukrainian people are much older than the An-26
    1. RoTTor
      RoTTor 30 September 2020 17: 10
      0
      Minus are those who do not have a whole head or paid bots who yell like half-cut pigs that this is a terrorist attack by Russians
      THE TRUTH OF OCHI CHECK!
      ASK..LI VS !, including military aviation, and all of you Russia is to blame, which has created this country of their pieces and made them richer.
  • Irek
    Irek 26 September 2020 16: 31
    +4
    There will be no condolences, you are our enemies.
  • alien308
    alien308 26 September 2020 17: 04
    +5
    In fact, they are military personnel. The country's leaders announced a war with Russia. The government pursues an anti-Russian policy, finances and provides protection to the armed formations of bandits and marauders. Threats of reprisals are everyday life. The army shells Russian cities with heavy weapons. What regrets can there be?
  • Reviews
    Reviews 26 September 2020 18: 01
    0
    Some kind of technical malfunction has occurred. What exactly, we will find out. I can't tell you anything about the exercises yet ... We will be able to give a preliminary estimate after decoding the black box

    That is, Andrzej Baran publicly announced that he didn’t know shit and only operated with his own glitches.
  • BAI
    BAI 26 September 2020 19: 51
    +7
    The pose of the righteous, I consider it absolutely inappropriate here. As all over Ukraine there was joy when our planes were killed, in Sochi, in Syria. To live with wolves - wolf howl. I see no reason for pity and sympathy. The future murderers of civilians of Donbass, including children, were killed.
    It was their fathers who did it:

    It was their fathers who bombed the bathing children with precision.
    And they would have done the same if the conflict escalated.
    The best thing that can be done now in order not to be like the Censor is to close the topic and discussion.
  • maktub
    maktub 26 September 2020 22: 05
    -5
    After reading the comments, now I was definitely convinced that you are not our brothers, oh not brothers!
  • ork_333
    ork_333 26 September 2020 22: 58
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: MoJloT
    ADMIN STOP THIS VACANALY, DISCONNECT COMMENTS.

    And they apparently just do not care ... I look at this and am amazed at the people ... as if they were not baptized even once and their mother did not give birth to them.

    Is everyone obliged to be baptized? And if I am not baptized and native, then I’m not a human being?
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 26 September 2020 23: 12
    +3
    Quote: maktub
    After reading the comments, now I was definitely convinced that you are not our brothers, oh not brothers!

    not brothers))))) what did you think, a nice person))))) I have one brother (one uterine) ... I have cousins ​​and second cousins ​​... but you are not my brother ..... and Georgians are not to me brothers and Belarusians and Armenians with Azerbaijanis are not brothers to me. A Chechen is closer to me who will stand side by side against you
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 26 September 2020 23: 17
    +1
    [quote = MA3UTA] [quote]

    Boys cadets burned down, Slavs burned down, not in battle.
    Well, what is not a reason for the manifestation of their belligerence and patriotism for the stoned?

    People must remain and not be like animals. [/ Quote]

    but I wonder ... you also shed tears for the ROA fighters? Slavs there and all the other trash? They stood opposite - why should I feel sorry for them at all ??? go mourner .....
    1. MA3UTA
      MA3UTA 27 September 2020 00: 27
      +1
      that's interesting ... you shed tears for the ROA fighters too?


      Warm with soft? It happens.
      Slavs there and all the other trash?


      Merge troll.
      On the contrary, there is the same horde of trolls. Fighting on the couch.

      You did not understand anything. And you won't understand.
      Defeat the enemy in battle, that's right, don't spit on the news and don't pretend you're a hero.

      None of the current cadets of the Russian Federation and the former CIS will say a crooked word about the dead boys, colleagues from Ukraine.
      Not a single former cadet, current Officer of the Russian Federation and the former CIS will scoff at this.
      Not a single Warrior will dance and rejoice at someone else's death. Even the enemy.
      Except in rare cases, if their psychological and moral qualities were not identified by the commission at the professional selection.

      and 3,14 dabols for sofa, or rear paramilitary, this is how they see the manifestation of their heroism and patriotism.
      stoned, minus,
  • d.zhuk2010
    d.zhuk2010 26 September 2020 23: 59
    -1
    I wonder who will be appointed as the last? As for me there is nothing to think about. AN-26SH is designed for 10 cadets, one instructor and three crew members. They filled the board with guys like a minibus. How many died? That's it.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 27 September 2020 00: 53
    +3
    Quote: MA3UTA
    that's interesting ... you shed tears for the ROA fighters too?


    Warm with soft? It happens.
    Slavs there and all the other trash?


    Merge troll.
    On the contrary, there is the same horde of trolls. Fighting on the couch.

    You did not understand anything. And you won't understand.
    Defeat the enemy in battle, that's right, don't spit on the news and don't pretend you're a hero.

    None of the current cadets of the Russian Federation and the former CIS will say a crooked word about the dead boys, colleagues from Ukraine.
    Not a single former cadet, current Officer of the Russian Federation and the former CIS will scoff at this.
    Not a single Warrior will dance and rejoice at someone else's death. Even the enemy.
    Except in rare cases, if their psychological and moral qualities were not identified by the commission at the professional selection.

    and 3,14 dabols for sofa, or rear paramilitary, this is how they see the manifestation of their heroism and patriotism.
    stoned, minus,


    and what is now fundamentally different for us soldiers of the ROA, for example, and the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass? this time ..
    about "Slavs, Russians, Orthodox" these are all manipulations))) "We Russians do not deceive each other" - this is approximately from this series ...... Russians-Ukrainians ..... Slavs (Poles-Russians) ok fought each other - these are two
    if you find an enthusiast in my posts where I scoff or rejoice then well done ... but until you find a cheap balabol)))) these are three ...
    soldier of Ukraine now is not a colleague of a soldier of the Russian Federation in terms of the positive meaning of the word colleague))) these are four
    every year my country is JOYING on May 9 that in fact we KILLED our enemies, not they are us, but we are them ... you are a humanist, you can cry bitterly, and I will continue to rejoice on May 9 ...
    according to my posts in this thread - I did not express my joy, I expressed the opinion that I have no reason to grieve over the death of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in fact I do not care about their death ... finished))))
    1. MA3UTA
      MA3UTA 27 September 2020 04: 29
      -1
      and what is now fundamentally different for us soldiers of the ROA, for example, and the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass? this time.

      Don't you even know that? Basically you don’t know?
      further verbiage
      every year my country is JOYING on May 9 that in fact we KILLED our enemies, not they are us, but we are them ... you are a humanist, you can cry bitterly, and I will continue to rejoice on May 9 ...


      I have not seen any mention of the incredible joy of the Soviet people from the dead Germans in Dresden, or the Japanese in Hiroshima.
      Marinesco, having drowned the cadets and refugees, was hardly happy about the deaths. I don't think it occurred to him. The joy of the military is to win and survive.
      But then there was a war. Both the Pilots who bombed the enemy Dresden and Marinesco, who sank the enemy ship, carried out combat orders.
      And here there is no time for sentimentality and joy over death. Just conquer and survive.
      Normal people are celebrating Victory. And my country is celebrating Victory. Don't change the concept, manipulator.



      - and we are not gloating ... we just don't care ... that's from the word at all ... and it's not a pity
      - There is no reason to rejoice - we just don't care
      - according to my posts in this thread - I did not express my joy, I expressed the opinion that I have no reason to grieve over the death of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in fact I do not care about their death ... finished))))

      And I am not indifferent to the freelance death of people, the death of the Slavs, the death of cadets.
      But you do not care, and although I did not comment on your indifference, I substantiated and expressed my opinion that one should not be like nonhumans.
      You are indifferent, but you impose on me, and not only, your "indifferent opinion", on behalf of "everyone", simply by reflexively reacting? or something else?
      This is a rhetorical question. You are "finished" and everything is clear with you.
      You didn’t understand anything.

      once again, I repeat

      Not a single Warrior will dance and rejoice at someone else's death. Even the enemy.
      Except in rare cases, if their psychological and moral qualities were not identified by the commission at the professional selection.


      If there is no pathology, try to understand the difference between the ROA and the APU, the difference in the AN26 shot down over Torez, and the plane crash with the cadets.
      everything is free.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 27 September 2020 01: 03
    0
    Quote: MA3UTA
    that's interesting ... you shed tears for the ROA fighters too?


    Warm with soft? It happens.
    Slavs there and all the other trash?


    Merge troll.
    On the contrary, there is the same horde of trolls. Fighting on the couch.

    You did not understand anything. And you won't understand.
    Defeat the enemy in battle, that's right, don't spit on the news and don't pretend you're a hero.

    None of the current cadets of the Russian Federation and the former CIS will say a crooked word about the dead boys, colleagues from Ukraine.
    Not a single former cadet, current Officer of the Russian Federation and the former CIS will scoff at this.
    Not a single Warrior will dance and rejoice at someone else's death. Even the enemy.
    Except in rare cases, if their psychological and moral qualities were not identified by the commission at the professional selection.

    and 3,14 dabols for sofa, or rear paramilitary, this is how they see the manifestation of their heroism and patriotism.
    stoned, minus,


    and so that you are a great and fucking noble soldier not looking for a long time, here are my comments in this thread:
    THE FIRST
    and they won't kill .... specifically these cadets ... but there were also 7 officers - their track record is interesting ..... and by the way, why did you react to the "Bandera members" like that? they call us maskals and no one reflects ... but you react so sharply
    SECOND
    not brothers))))) what did you think, a nice person))))) I have one brother (one uterine) ... I have cousins ​​and second cousins ​​... but you are not my brother ..... and Georgians are not to me brothers and Belarusians and Armenians with Azerbaijanis are not brothers to me. A Chechen is closer to me who will stand side by side against you
    THIRD
    but I wonder ... you also shed tears for the ROA fighters? Slavs there and all the other trash? They stood opposite - why should I feel sorry for them at all ??? go mourner .....
    IT'S IN THIS POST ...
    COMMENTS IN THIS TOPIC BUT IN ANOTHER POST
    1. "pitiful" and remind me what doctrine is now going on in Ukraine? And who trains with whom, and most importantly - in spite of which country is it being held?
    Ukraine is NOT a friendly country to us - and their "mouthpieces" often and loudly declare this ... our uncle Vova rubs everything for fraternal peoples, labor for peace in May. Cadets are servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not children. They are adults and have already taken the oath.
    Therefore, to call for philanthropy and humanism - go to "penis". Why should we pity them and show them complicity? Who are they to us? And it is NOT NECESSARY to lie about the majority of normal Ukrainians - no one has seen the anti-war movement, which enjoys wide support in Ukraine, or the movement for friendship with Russia, has never seen it !!!! There is no reason to rejoice - we just don't care, BUT we won't be sad either.
    And for those who whine about they are children - look at the Maidan - there "onizhedeti" shouted very famously "Muscovites at knives" .... and that's how the "knives" pitchfork came.
    2. and they will not kill .... specifically these cadets ... but there were also 7 officers - their track record is interesting ..... and by the way, why did you react to the "Bandera" members? they call us maskals and no one reflects ... but you react so sharply
    3. and I'm not a statistical office ... ... they rejoiced quite loudly and cheerfully ... rejoiced at the catastrophe of Aleksandrov's ensemble ... so there is no need to call me to philanthropy and humanism ... here are Donetsk and Lugansk peacemakers I'm sorry ... the officers of the current and future air forces of the ukroverrmacht I do NOT regret ... there is no joy, but not sorry either
    4. and we are not gloating .... we just don't care ... that's from the word at all ... and it's not a pity
    5.Recalling the joyful grunting from the 404 area during the crash in our north of the TU-22, when it hit during landing

    here for you personally - don't look for joy or schadenfreude and show that you are right))))) BALABOL
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 27 September 2020 02: 45
    +1
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: TermNachTER
    to know what will happen to the lieutenant who graduated from the military school

    That's right, you don't have to be Vanga: he will go to fulfill the orders of his Country. What can be blamed on him? A pathological killer does not seem to be recruited into the army. We don't like his country, but departed this is not to blame. There is a mood - dig deeper: which of the powers that be silently watched what the neighbor was turning into and did nothing .., and further down the list.
    The fact that an unfriendly country will not get two dozen pilots is such a fate.
    And the fact that almost three dozen souls left for the Lord ahead of time - condolences to relatives

    ACCUSED only for choosing an educational institution in such a controversial historical period - this is their fault. They don't take pathological ones, but they make them professional "killers", and at the moment they are "killers of quilted jackets, Muscovites, aggressors and occupiers" ... so fate, don't give a damn, there will be no condolences
  • unhappy
    unhappy 27 September 2020 09: 26
    0
    Condolences or not?
    what
    3
    I did not know and did not remember
    What does "tooth" mean and what is "fang".
    True, then I realized
    And then I got used to it.
    4 but sleepy on a dark night
    I can hear even now:
    - My dear boy,
    As long as you are a wolf cub
    You're not quite a beast yet.
    5 grass, forget-me-not flowers,
    Mom bakes pies:
    - Eat, my boy,
    While your teeth
    Didn't turn into fangs!


    As long as you are a wolf cub
    You're not quite a beast yet.
  • SU3555
    SU3555 27 September 2020 09: 59
    +2
    Yes, it's like feeling sorry for the Kriegsmarine cadets on the sunken ship Gustlav
  • SU3555
    SU3555 27 September 2020 10: 47
    +1
    Something during the war in Donbass from 2014 to the present time, normal Ukrainians did not take to the streets with demands to end the war. But many came out with demands for more bulletproof vest weapons for our sons in ATO.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 27 September 2020 12: 00
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Operator
    Bandera dropped the Bandera,

    PPC ... how many of you are divorced. Children who did not kill anyone died, and they were already dubbed Bendera and Nazis, and so it is right for them.
    Could bomb the Donbass, blah blah blah ... scribble about "onizhedeti" here ... like how much you can feel sorry for.
    Are you baptized at all? Why is it wrong with you all that you rejoice in the deaths of children?
    Did they kill someone, abuse someone? What did they do to you, frostbitten nationalists?
    You curse them and rejoice at their death for one reason - they are Ukrainian cadets.
    And if the American or French cadets, God forbid, die the same way? Do you also dance on bones?
    I am shocked how many infidels are divorced here! No humanity, no compassion.

    hi
  • mikstepanenko
    mikstepanenko 27 September 2020 12: 13
    0
    Something takes a long time to understand. I remember after the Boeing disaster in Donbass, the reason was named even before it fell.