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Sunrise or sunset in the Land of Fools?

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Sunrise or sunset in the Land of Fools?

This article will present the reflections of two people from different cities, but united by one thing: an opinion on what our education is today and what it may lead to tomorrow.


Some readers may immediately voice their opinion on the theme that "Military Review" and the problems of education are not quite compatible things.

Not just compatible, but very even. At the bottom of the abyss into which the Russian-educated steam locomotive flies smacking "Admiral Kuznetsov" is only the ability to use a Kalashnikov assault rifle. There will be no new missiles, submarines or aircraft. Today we cannot do much of what was available thirty years ago.

And what will we be able to do in another twenty years - this is the question that simply causes a shiver in my head. Because there is nothing positive about the answer.

The first will be the opinion of our reader Vladimir, who sent his views on the state of the educational system to the editorial office.


Currently, there are a lot of articles criticizing modern education, including on "VO", comparisons are made with the formation of the USSR as a kind of standard. And the Internet-born nickname "victim of the exam" has become truly popular. If you ask the question: “What actually happened? Why did Soviet education turn out to be better than the present one? ”, Then one wants to look for answers at least based on a sense of justice.

I want to start with a "seditious" thought: "Is the education system so different now from the one that was under the USSR?"

Here I personally come to the conclusion that no. The formation of personality in the USSR took place under the influence of three interrelated subjects: the state, society, and the school. The state influenced the child with the help of the pioneer, Komsomol organizations, inspectors of the IDN, district inspectors. Society worked with the help of the family, labor and social groups. School - with the help of the personality and knowledge of the teacher and the teaching staff.

What happened in the 90s? The state withdrew itself from the upbringing of the younger generation, society also somehow became not up to it. As a result, in fact, only teachers are involved in raising children. Moreover, the resulting ideological and educational gap is also trying with all their might to impose on the teacher due to objective circumstances or administrative resources.

Just imagine that a handsome sailing three-masted corvette is sailing on the sea. And suddenly, once - and two masts were gone, and the team is trying with all its might on the remaining, last mast, to attach all the sails at once to maintain the course.

As a result, we have what we have, it's good that the third mast, though cracking, is intact. In general, the education system itself as a source of knowledge has not undergone significant (or rather, global) changes, but the system of forming a person's personality does not work at all. And so, in fact, the processes taking place in the education system are a reflection of the processes in society and the state as a whole.

What to do? The age-old philosophical question. It is not possible to restore the role of the state in raising children either now or in the near future. Attempts are being made in Russia to revive the patriotic movements, but you yourself understand that global changes in this area are still very far away.

Or maybe it's time to start with yourself today? You can blame the "liberals", "communists", "capitalists", etc. for a long time. Or you can just sit and remember the last time I did homework with my child or went to a parent meeting. When was the last time I spoke to a teacher? Did I think about the child when I divorced my wife (husband)? How will he grow up in an inferior family? Is it worth it to disappear for days at work, without memory "nailing the grandmother"? Maybe spend an extra hour with your family? And what is more important to me: beer with football or my son's conflict in class?

The questions are not the most convenient and the answers to them are not the simplest, everyone must decide for himself and start taking action (well, or find the "extreme" further). In my opinion, a full-fledged family can replace both the state and society for a child, but one must understand that this is a daily and systematic work that requires patience, knowledge, and complete dedication.

And a few thoughts on educators. It is often said that teachers who were educated in the 90s are incompetent, and the problems in education are partly related to them. As a person who was personally a student of the pedagogical specialty in the nineties, I can safely say that knowledge was given at a very high level. All university professors were of the old Soviet school and three skins were tore from us. Yes, there were no classical Soviet subjects like the theory of scientific communism, but for a modern teacher, this is not a gap in education.

In any professional community, people come across different people, but among high school teachers there is a natural selection. Teachers who work in schools are simply obliged to give a piece of their "I", a piece of their soul to each student. If you don't do this, you won't be able to stay in school for more than 2-3 years, no matter how hard you try.

Children have a special intuitive "sense" of lies and falsehood, a heightened sense of injustice. In order for a teacher to be loved and respected, it is necessary to love and respect the student and treat him as an equal. For some, maybe these are common truths, but some have not yet understood. I realized in time that I was not ready for such sacrifices on my part, I got myself together and left the path of pedagogical activity, without harming myself or my children.

This is the opinion. The opinion of a person deserves attention if only because Vladimir honestly admitted that he was not ready to become a teacher and expressed his point of view from the “other” side of the barricade.

However, for the sake of justice it is worth listening to the opinion from the other side of the front line. The opinion of a person who really and directly fights against illiteracy and other components in the minds of the younger generations.

Irina Vikhrova, a teacher with 22 years of experience, to whom I showed Vladimir's opinion.


I do not agree. Absolutely. Maybe the university system is similar somewhere and in some way, but the school curriculum has undergone very significant changes. It has long had nothing to do with the Soviet system, the goals and objectives are different. Different approaches, different methods, textbooks, everything else. Not ours, not what they taught us in due time.

What used to be the basis in the training system? Accumulation of knowledge. So that a person on the basis of analogies could operate with this knowledge. Now the direction is to simply be able to acquire knowledge and use. You learn to find the information you need at a specific moment. Like the search bar in Google, so about.

You learn to highlight the main thing among the found, the notorious Western-style test system. Yes, just as a driving school does not teach you how to drive, but teaches you how to pass your driving license, so a modern school teaches you how to pass the exam well.

The test system drives people into a very narrow framework, we are not even talking about any breadth of thinking. Children should clearly be able to select the correct one from the proposed options, but they are completely unable to create their own answer. Yes, it is not necessary.

Lack of critical thinking. Is it dangerous. This is dangerous because we are losing scientists in the first place. A scientist is a person of search, analysis, selection, comparison. With such a training system, it is extremely difficult to educate a person who can then offer something of his own. He will not be able to do this. So yes, stupidity is a perfectly appropriate term.

Yes, today there are various institutions for gifted children, but they exist precisely for those who really showed themselves gifted. Elite, if you like. And how many children we are losing, about whose giftedness we simply do not know, is very difficult to say.

It happens that a unique child grows from a mediocre child. But mostly weeds only give birth to weeds.

Teachers are criticized for just teaching. Yes, there is something in this, but did teachers turn educational institutions into complexes for the provision of educational services? We don't teach anymore. We provide services. Educational. We are service personnel who have lost the right to be educated legally.

Plus full permissiveness for parents as representatives of consumers of our services. On the one hand, the fact that parents are on the board of the school, participate in discussions, control the budget is good. But when they start to get involved in the educational process, trying, for example, to choose textbooks, change teachers, this is no good.

How can a person who is ignorant of educational programs come and tell a teacher how he should work?

And we have it in the order of things. That is, Mr. Consumer of Services comes either to school or to dry cleaning with one attitude. Build everyone and teach them how to do it right. For he is His Majesty the Consumer.

The question of how and who can be brought up in such conditions is not worth it. You just try to put together a class after school for an hour for ANY activity. Yes, nothing will come of it, a modern schoolchild after the 7th grade has everything scheduled every minute. And by the way, they know their rights. And for the sake of a lesson in patriotism, let's say, no one will miss an English tutor. Because patriotism is outside the program, and English is paid for by the parents.

This is the question that Putin ordered to introduce patriotism into the school curriculum. As soon as they find a place for him - with great pleasure. But now it can only be inserted INSTEAD of some lesson. Instead of a physical education lesson, for example. But the children themselves are against it. They want to run, play, and not sit and listen about how to love the Motherland.

And it is completely unclear who will teach it.

I don’t know where how, but today we have a terrible staff shortage. We cannot let go of old teachers who simply do not want to work for health reasons, we cannot afford. And the new ones ... Where to get them? No, we also watch TV, where they tell us about the "average" nice numbers of salaries. But, unfortunately, nothing can be bought with the numbers shown on the TV.

But the worst thing is not even in numbers. The worst thing is that in our pedagogical universities young people are not prepared at all for what they will have to face in school. Therefore, every September we somehow recruit new teachers, and in October-November, applications for resignation land on the director's table in an autumn flock.

And this is normal everywhere.

A young teacher with pink glasses comes and is faced with paperwork, plans, reports, pompous parents who begin to teach him, often not quite correctly, and at times completely. Inclusive learners. (The system of introducing children with mental disabilities into schools. - Approx. R.S.)

And a salary of 12 rubles at the start.

And do you want this teacher to bring up more? Whom? When? For what? Old teachers can still somehow live with categories and seniority, while young ones come and go. Because it is much more profitable to trade phones in MTS.

As for the fact that “a properly organized family can replace both the state and society,” on the one hand, this is so. It is quite possible that now there is everything for this, both a distance learning system and distance learning. The only question is the price. Not all citizens of Russia can afford to fully educate their children outside of school. More precisely, perhaps, only the elites, who, however, and so practice it.

There is another disadvantage in this: the departure of parents from teaching their children in the framework of the school curriculum can simply sentence our conditional system of free education.


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Summary: all this reasoning on the topic "you have to start with yourself" - talk about nothing. And a very convenient "nothing". People do not want to quit their jobs and replace "the state and society" for their child, well, it is not necessary. Let them grow as they are. Let the teachers go nowhere, as Dmitry Medvedev once said: “This is a vocation, and if you want to earn money, there are a lot of wonderful places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. "

Nothing has changed over the past four years, except perhaps Dmitry Medvedev, who received a less responsible, but no worse paid job. Unlike teachers, who for some reason do not want to choose to live under the guise of a vocation.

Only one question arises: where in 15-20 years will we find scientists and designers who will develop new types of weapons and protection? Who will teach and prepare them? And won't the agony of the Russian education system become the beginning of the agony of the whole of Russia?
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 September 2020 10: 09 New
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    Teachers are not involved in education. Anything, just not that. They are engaged in reports, scribbling, manuals released. In the meantime, they try to be lecturers. That's all education.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 September 2020 10: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Teachers are not involved in education. Anything, just not that.

      Should you? If the school is engaged in teaching and upbringing, then why the family? Feeding, dressing, and making space for housing? This is how the boarding school can handle it.
      In addition, as soon as education is completely shifted to school, there is a chance to get this at the exit:
      From the classrooms came the buzzing of voices, choral shouts. "Who is the king? Serene Majesty. Who are the ministers? Faithful, knowing no doubts ...", "... And God, our creator, said:" I curse. And cursed ... " as if by a chain, lowering the peaks ... "," ... When the tortured person falls into unconsciousness, the test, not being carried away, stop ... "
      School, Rumata thought. The nest of wisdom. The pillar of culture ...
      1. Maxim UCH
        Maxim UCH 23 September 2020 21: 22 New
        +1
        I can state the following: the role of the Family in raising a child is of great importance. The simplest and most striking example is the Caucasus - traditions, respect for elders, adherence to clearly defined principles, which sometimes run counter to the latest state guidelines. All of the above is given only in the family, and is very effective. So, gentlemen demagogues, the role of the family is primary, and at the level of state convictions!
        1. vetta
          vetta 28 September 2020 14: 00 New
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          So there is not just a family, but a community of families, that is, a society, and this is a different level. Same
      2. Tavrik
        Tavrik 24 September 2020 16: 54 New
        +1
        Should they?

        Should. Education is an ongoing process. This is not "but now I will begin to educate you." Education of students begins with the appearance of the teacher. Education is also the behavior of the teacher himself, his attitude to work, with colleagues. Pupils see everything and notice everything. If the teacher is a tortured aunt in a gray hoodie, yelling at the students, this is one education. If a teacher conscientiously does his job, dresses not flashily, but in a good business style, helps students not only in the subject, does not take the position: "My business is to teach and do not ask for something else" is a completely different matter. But this strains the teacher, requires time and mental investment. It’s that weak people and I’m starting to slip into the position: “don’t meddle with me with your questions, I have lectured for hours - don’t demand more from me”.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2020 10: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Teachers are not involved in education. Anything, just not that.

      Like a deacon with a censer, he chastised a prayer, waved the censer, and the service ended, took off his robe and sat on the "gelding" and forgot about everything.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 23 September 2020 11: 45 New
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        You can't argue with the Author. Even on VO, commentators "kalya malia", "victims of ab ... USE" are multiplying every day. This is already a vivid confirmation that we are desperately "breaking through" into the "three classes of the parish" and, further, into the Stone Age. "So we will win!" ... Ugh ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 September 2020 18: 05 New
          -10 qualifying.
          "You can't argue with the Author. Even on VO, commentators" kalya malia "," victims of ab ... USE "are multiplying every day - your one of them.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 23 September 2020 18: 20 New
            +5
            If your "tactical knives" are the same as your language, then they should be exclusively in the salons of an intimate haircut, to direct the beauty of "causal places", "a universal storyteller".
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 September 2020 09: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Like a deacon with a censer, he chastised a prayer, waved the censer, and the service ended, took off his robe and sat on the "gelding" and forgot about everything.

        If. Rather, chastised a prayer, waved a censer for one and a half bets - that's it? But no, you are naughty - the service has just begun. Electives, circles, reports, plans, a methodologist with new ideas "how a teacher should work", classroom guidance, homework ...
        - Research confirms that teachers have to spend up to four hours a day filling out reports and documents.

        Options for the "paper" load on the teacher:
        - Lists of children living near the school, their parents, grandparents;
        - acts on the teacher's visit to apartments where children live (these apartments still need to be bypassed);
        - ask parents and make a list of childhood vaccinations;
        - in what circles and sections the students are engaged;
        - the schedule of children's leisure during the holidays;
        - who eats in the school cafeteria;
        - who is going to transfer to specialized classes;
        - record the height of each student for the distribution of new desks in the class;
        - reports on the conducted holidays for each "red" day of the calendar;
        - in which religious organizations are the parents of schoolchildren ...
        © Russian newspaper
        https://rg.ru/2019/02/18/kogda-uchitelej-izbaviat-ot-beskonechnoj-i-bessmyslennoj-bumazhnoj-raboty.html
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      4. Pushkar
        Pushkar 27 September 2020 22: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: 210ox
        Teachers are not involved in education. Anything, just not that.

        Like a deacon with a censer, he chastised a prayer, waved the censer, and the service ended, took off his robe and sat on the "gelding" and forgot about everything.

        Is the teacher on the gelding? What fairy tale are you living in?
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 September 2020 10: 35 New
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      What happened in the 90s? The state withdrew itself from the upbringing of the younger generation, society also somehow became not up to it. As a result, only teachers are involved in raising children.
      Roman Skomorokhov is wrong! Teachers are not engaged in education from the word-AT ALL! They were stupidly removed from this by the state system, making children a "sacred cow", they are untouchable! to send the teacher to THREE letters is in the order of things, they are not afraid of anything, for too long their rights were hammered into their heads, not to mention the obligations. the state killed education, and made the Teacher a powerless creature. as a result, the production of moral hoopoes has been put on stream. the future of the country is a nightmare if 10-12 year old thugs are yelling in the street: ... "We do not observe the laws, we are not afraid of cops!" Swearing on the playground from the same kids is the norm, and none of the adults makes a remark, because "onizhedeti" can plant him. You can write a lot more here, but who needs THIS?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 23 September 2020 11: 15 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        They were stupidly removed from this by the state system, making children a "sacred cow", they are untouchable! to send the teacher to THREE letters is in the order of things, they are not afraid of anything, for too long their rights were hammered into their heads, not to mention the obligations. the state killed education, and made the Teacher a powerless creature. as a result, the production of moral hoopoes has been put on stream.

        And what do you want - juvenile. The main goal is to destroy the family as a unit, and the Teachers ..., they simply began to collapse, since in Soviet times they were second after the family.
    4. ghby
      ghby 23 September 2020 11: 43 New
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      Quote: 210ox
      They are engaged in reports, scribbling, manuals released.

      This is the scourge of our time, and it is characteristic not only in education but also in other industries and institutions. This is an attempt to control and evaluate every step of the employee, leading to the fact that the employee no longer works, but only reports. We have forgotten how to see the result of work without hourly timing and reporting. After all, a huge army of managers needs to justify its existence, so they are banished with reports. The numbers are easier to analyze than to understand and understand the result of the work, besides, they are mostly "effective" managers who, at best, have an indirect relationship to the industry they control and manage.
    5. boriz
      boriz 23 September 2020 12: 15 New
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      Recently, quite by chance, I heard that the method of full loading of reporting writing has already dropped to the level of kindergarten. Educators have no time to deal with children. They write.
  2. Doctor
    Doctor 23 September 2020 10: 11 New
    +8
    The main problem of the modern school is that teachers have practically ceased to TEACH, reducing their responsibilities to control.

    Tests every day, control tests a couple of times a week, global controls a couple of times a month.

    The reason is simple, everyone has to be dumb so that after school they can gain their wits with paid tutors - the same teachers who change students.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2020 10: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Arzt
      so that after school you can get crazy with paid tutors - the same teachers who change students.

      It is quite common for those who have the opportunity to take a tutor, all this is familiar.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 September 2020 10: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Arzt
      The main problem of the modern school is that teachers have practically ceased to TEACH, reducing their responsibilities to control.

      here is a pronounced MISUNCIPATION of the problem ... learn materiel. teachers were forced to teach only.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 23 September 2020 10: 57 New
        +2
        here is a pronounced MISUNCIPATION of the problem ... learn materiel. teachers were forced to teach only.

        It's been a long time since you've been to school. laughing

        You will teach yourself at home, and the teachers will give you a grade on the test in the morning.
        One for two. wink
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 23 September 2020 11: 24 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        here is a pronounced MISUNCIPATION of the problem ... learn materiel. teachers were forced to teach only.

        Unfortunately, today the position of the teachers is as follows: "I gave out the material, but the student wanted to take it or not, it is his purely personal problems. If the child does not have time, then welcome to the tutor. No one will study with him for free, we are not obliged." Today's tests, vpr and others are checked by both the teacher and the student, so they prepare for them, often to the detriment of everything else. For example, my child in the fifth grade stopped teaching the history of the ancient world in the middle of the topic about ancient Rome and began to purposefully prepare for the future and final test work. Naturally, when the next year I began to study the history of the Middle Ages with her, I had to return to ancient Rome.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 23 September 2020 11: 51 New
          -3
          For example, my child in the fifth grade stopped teaching the history of the ancient world in the middle of the topic about ancient Rome and began to purposefully prepare for the future and final test work. Naturally, when the next year I began to study the history of the Middle Ages with her, I had to return to ancient Rome.

          What's that. If you are going to pass society and history, in graduation classes, get ready to get into physics and mathematics and 2 years to bomb unnecessary mathematics of the profile level. laughing
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 23 September 2020 10: 14 New
    +7
    The ideology of the state has been removed from modern school education.
    And without ideology it is impossible in any way ... the student becomes susceptible to the pernicious influence of the masters of information warfare in the West ... this is very clearly seen in Belarus.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 23 September 2020 12: 05 New
      +9
      The ideology of the state has been removed from modern school education.
      And without ideology it is impossible in any way ... the student becomes susceptible to the pernicious influence of the masters of information warfare in the West ... this is very clearly seen in Belarus.

      It's like that. But ideology cannot be taught in the classroom. Especially if there is access to a critical approach (Internet). There will be only laughter and tricky questions. wink

      Ideology should be taught at tourist rallies and lightnings, like our generation, where the morning began with raising the flag, and the orienteering cross-country test was given to the team by the last person who came running.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 20: 55 New
        -4
        Quote: Arzt
        Ideology needs to be taught on tourist rallies and lightnings, like our generation


        Excuse me, but who is your generation? The ideology of which country were you taught - the USSR? Somehow it didn't turn out very well.
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 23 September 2020 13: 24 New
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      Everything is in the west again. In Russia (in White, in Great, in Small, and others), the problem is clearly inside.
      Understand you finally. Not Obama pisses you in the elevator, and not Merkel with the State Department raise the price of gasoline at a penny oil price.
    3. Mityasha
      Mityasha 24 September 2020 04: 53 New
      +2
      In the first lessons, first of all, it is necessary to explain about the responsibilities of the student, to involve them in socially useful work in the classroom, school. That would appreciate someone else's work. Then about the rights, but not like now. Not a single authority other than a new iPhone and branded clothes. To hammer into parents' heads that children do not go so that parents can show their level of wealth through their offspring, more modestly. And it's time to return the school uniform ...
      Being in one of the people's democratic republics, I observe how local schoolchildren walk in uniform, clean up after themselves in the street and classrooms, and study calmly. Even college students are in uniform. Graduated from school, walk like everyone else, but for some reason people are modest in themselves ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 25 September 2020 01: 23 New
        +1
        I support, colleague. Wearing uniform must be mandatory. Let each school have its own form, different from others. A few years ago I happened to read that they were going to do this. But apparently they refused. God forbid, it will remind them, the Ministry of Education, the USSR, and now they are gentlemen of collective farm origin, courtyard aristocrats.
        Meanwhile, as far as I know, elite schools in English-speaking countries have their own form, and the teaching system is no different from the Soviet one. Moreover, recognizing the Soviet system as the best, it was introduced in the closed schools of the West. And there is a very strict attitude towards students, the juvenile is not even close. The uniform of Japanese schoolgirls is known throughout the world from cartoons.
        To tell the truth, in my village I saw two elementary school girls in uniform - I helped them pass by drunken demobels. High school students - who in what. And high school girls ...
  4. sannyhome
    sannyhome 23 September 2020 10: 21 New
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    That's all right. The modern school does not prepare inventors and creators, it prepares "literate consumers". And the rest - what kind of engineers and scientists, what are you? As Thatcher said - "According to the estimates of the world community, it is economically expedient for only 15 million people to live in Russia." This is your goal, accept and rejoice. As part of this goal, the West will pour you heaps of gold and silver. Live like animals, have fun, fuck, eat synthetics with flavor enhancers in three throats, plump and be happy. Why do you need Space? Why Science? NASA can cope without Roscosmos. And you take care of yourself. even children do not need to give birth, it spoils the figure and introduces additional costs. By the way, a wonderful way out - there are no children, schools and kindergartens are not needed, teachers can go to earn money and not waste their nerves and time on undergrowth.
    Further, I think it is not worth continuing? ;)
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 28 September 2020 09: 30 New
      0
      Normal sane all understand this.
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 23 September 2020 10: 23 New
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    The test system drives people into a very narrow framework, we are not even talking about any breadth of thinking.
    I completely agree that a child should learn to think logically from childhood, assess situations, if he does not learn this from childhood, then it will never come. Tests push the child into a yes-no. I can see this from my sons, the elders can think broadly, and the youngest, already born after the collapse, can no longer think like the elders and evaluate situations.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 23 September 2020 10: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: tihonmarine
      I agree completely, a child should learn to think logically from childhood, assess situations, if from childhood he does not learn this, then this will never come.

      Education starts with educated teachers. And if a person graduated from MGIMO and does not know who Kuprin is, what Turgenev wrote, but he enthusiastically retells Harry Potter. This is an elite education !! Mmmm !!! And what then is given in Ped. Universities, what kind of teacher training can we talk about .. In my usual secondary school there were honored teachers of the USSR, Ukrainian SSR in biology, geography, chemistry. I remember their lessons with pleasure. And labor education played no small role in our time .. At the beginning of summer, it was obligatory to work off - repairing a class, or collecting medicinal herbs, working in a city park, a state farm .. Then it was not clear what it was for .. Children were taught to live, to collective action. Many good things are lost.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 September 2020 11: 10 New
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        Quote: 30 vis
        And if a person graduated from MGIMO and does not know who Kuprin is, what Turgenev wrote, but he enthusiastically retells Harry Potter. This is an elite education !! Mimo !!

        This person will not teach anything. If just now, do not love the Motherland.
      2. depressant
        depressant 25 September 2020 01: 27 New
        +3
        Colleague 30 vis, this is our education - elite, in the West, elite education - be healthy! Concessions only to athletes.
  6. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 23 September 2020 10: 23 New
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    Modern Russian education is a broken boat, on which 15 million schoolchildren and four million students are trying to stay. And educational reformers are experimenting on it - in recent years we have heard reports of successes in reforming education. I have a seditious thought: maybe these reforms led to a drop in the quality of education? You will not believe, but in the "damned scoop" there were successful methods of education! It is not for nothing that the Soviet Union topped many ratings. Maybe, instead of doing nonsense, it is worth looking back and looking for something good? The same Finland, Japan, China and other countries inherited the best from Soviet education and we are now looking at them with envy. Why not make school a place where everyone will be happy - teachers and students? Yes, for this you will have to give up a lot - the USE, the current system of assessing knowledge and from your current attitude towards school as a whole. It will take a long time, but isn't it worth it?
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 23 September 2020 15: 52 New
      +3
      Looking at the numbers, there is a decline. So, according to the PISA study among 600000 thousand students from 70 countries, "The average score for Russia in reading literacy was 2018 points in 479 (495 in 2015), in natural science literacy - 478 points (487 in 2015), in mathematical literacy - 488 points (494 in 2015) ". For a broader understanding, data for 2015:
      https://fioco.ru/ru/osoko/msi/
      1. Mityasha
        Mityasha 24 September 2020 05: 03 New
        +1
        That's right, graduates of any Harvard, HSE, pro-Western leaders and others, getting into leadership positions, are trying to introduce "demoration" into fragile and young minds by changing school and general education programs, filling up teachers and educators with paper and bureaucratic red tape, taking away precious time. Shouting loudly about the rights of students, completely forgetting to mention the responsibilities. Nothing good will come. Education has already been turned into a service sector, and with speakers like Greff, the opportunity to learn and learn will be completely taken away from children, or access to knowledge will become an unbearable burden for the majority ...
  7. BIABIA
    BIABIA 23 September 2020 10: 26 New
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    School, teachers ... Son, 15 years old, recently came home with square eyes. He says, dad, an old grandmother came up to me on the street, in a jacket, a bunch of orders and medals on her jacket, give me, he says, 50 rubles. for bread, I went through the war. Dal, of course. And he asks me, how so? What kind of country is this? And at school they teach patriotism. You can minus me to death, but what will I tell him? His great-grandfathers went through this war, at home the same orders, medals are kept, he brought up in the spirit that there was a terrible war, we won, the people were victorious. And so ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 23 September 2020 10: 38 New
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      Quote: BIABIA
      an old grandmother approached, in a jacket, on the jacket a bunch of orders and medals, give, she says, 50 rubles. for bread, I went through the war.

      In my next house, such a grandmother lived, will wear the orders of her front-line father and go to beg, once asked how old she is, said 80, so I say the war ended 75 years ago, on what front did you fight? so grandmother began to swear all over the street, what to do with insanity and dementia.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 September 2020 10: 51 New
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        Quote: Anatol Klim
        In my next house, such a grandmother lived, will wear the orders of her front-line father and go to beg, once asked how old she is, said 80, so I say the war ended 75 years ago, on what front did you fight? so grandmother began to swear all over the street, what to do with insanity and dementia.

        I lived with my parents in the same entrance, but there was another one, she lived on the floor above - she actually fought - she ended the war as a battalion commander of an anti-aircraft battery, naturally older. So when she found out about the "hard frontline fate" the fate of this sufferer, she warned: "If you get caught that I can reach, I will break a stick against you (I already walked with a stick), but if I were caught earlier, I would have shot it and would not regret it."
    2. bar
      bar 23 September 2020 10: 56 New
      16
      but what can I tell him?

      Tell me the truth. Tell me that anything can be found in real life. Including professional beggars. Ordinary grandmothers do not walk down the street in jackets with a bunch of orders, medals and "other shiny objects."
  8. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 23 September 2020 10: 27 New
    +5
    I looked at Soviet textbooks. Mathematics and physics seemed to me easier than in textbooks of the 90s and early 2000s, for example. Despite the presence of integrals in them, integrals in the RF were then optional. But the integrals to solve at the initial stage are quite simple, in contrast to the dominance of trigonometry. Why such a demand, which few people are able to master on their own? And constant experimentation with students? It is clear that now Russian education is much worse, despite the presence of complex tasks. Literature in high school is a continuous GULAG. The human approach has decreased.
    1. Kart
      Kart 23 September 2020 10: 48 New
      -3
      Quote: d4rkmesa
      I looked at Soviet textbooks. Mathematics and physics seemed to me easier than in textbooks of the 90s and early 2000s, for example.

      And in the textbooks of the XIX century, it is quite simple.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 23 September 2020 11: 04 New
        +8
        And nevertheless, the Soviet school was better than the parish and Russian. )
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 23 September 2020 11: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: Carte
        And in the textbooks of the XIX century, it is quite simple.

        Look at Kiselev's textbooks, just the end of the 19th century, they were taught, in my opinion, until the 50s, and compare with modern mathematics textbooks. Kiselev's material is simpler, but much larger and more fundamental. Compare at least the topics about number systems, I think then you will stop joking about old textbooks.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 23 September 2020 12: 01 New
          +4
          Look at Kiselev's textbooks, just the end of the 19th century, they were taught, in my opinion, until the 50s, and compare with modern mathematics textbooks. Kiselev's material is simpler, but much larger and more fundamental. Compare at least the topics about number systems, I think then you will stop joking about old textbooks.

          Outstripped. I agree with everything. The material was submitted systematically.

          Although to whom, what. If we decided to calculate the changing trajectory of a ballistic missile, then we introduce differential calculus at school. wink
      3. Doctor
        Doctor 23 September 2020 11: 57 New
        +4
        And in the textbooks of the XIX century, it is quite simple.

        Rather more sensible. It is for training.
        Here is a table of contents for the famous Kiselev algebra.

        https://may.alleng.org/d/math/math66.htm

        They say that in Israel they teach according to its adapted version.

        Kolmogorov and his reform are to blame for everything.
        Academicians must not be allowed to study. laughing
        1. Kart
          Kart 23 September 2020 12: 33 New
          -1
          This is probably true.
          They are terribly far from the people.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 23 September 2020 13: 14 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          Rather more sensible. It is for training.
          Here is a table of contents for the famous Kiselev algebra.

          Unfortunately, today she "does not fight" with the OGE.
        3. gsev
          gsev 23 September 2020 16: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Arzt
          Academicians must not be allowed to study.

          The school must prepare millions of ordinary workers and technicians to work on mass equipment. At the same time, several dozen, hundreds of schoolchildren should be developed who will be able to master science in the future at Moscow State University, Moscow Aviation Institute and Phystech so that they can create truly modern technology. At our institute there was a graduate who created a mathematical model of a direct current drive and, on the basis of this model, revealed all the shortcomings of the drive being produced. Replacing several capacitors and conductors allowed the drive, which burned out after an average of 100 hours, to become indestructible. But he already studied at school from the university textbooks of Pontryagin and Kolmogorov and knew about the existence of different mathematical directions in teaching. The Bourbaki version (textbooks like Kolmogorov-Landau) and Arnold's version (textbooks like Kiselev-Feynman's) are also entitled.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 September 2020 18: 13 New
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            "The school must prepare millions of ordinary workers and technicians to work on mass equipment." He will not prepare - since there is a lot of equipment and it has its own specifics, the school only gives the basics, everything else in colleges, institutes in production and, of course, YouTube - where is it without it now.
            1. gsev
              gsev 24 September 2020 17: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              Will not prepare - since there is a lot of equipment and it has its own specifics,

              The school provides enough knowledge in mathematics, physics, chemistry so that an intelligent student can independently master programming, understand the mechanics of a machine tool and master the editor for programming CNC programs. In 30% I consulted on related complex technical issues with people who did not have a higher technical education, but they understood technology better than engineers with higher education.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 23 September 2020 20: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: gsev
            The school must prepare millions of ordinary workers and technicians to work on mass equipment.

            The school must provide a solid foundation on which further education in the chosen direction will be built.
  9. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 23 September 2020 10: 29 New
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    Dear ones, please understand one thing: what task they set for the teachers - that they perform. To prepare for the exam means to cook. To dull tests means to tests. The teacher, who has long been downtrodden by life and useless leaders, is an executor of the whims of ministries and parents, and not a creator of human souls and brilliant minds, as under Soviet rule. Everything comes from above. And if in the Ministry of Education the minister did not work for a day at school, but an effective manager (yes, as in many ministries), what do we want in the end? And the teachers also liked to be checked by the prosecutor's offices, security forces, Rospotrebnadzor, Rosobrnadzor, and other comrades in uniform. And a normal person is no longer thinking about work, but how to protect himself and just survive at school ..
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 23 September 2020 10: 39 New
      +1
      Dear ones, please understand one thing: what task they set for the teachers - that they carry out.

      Not certainly in that way. Now schools are given freedoms for programs an order of magnitude greater than in the USSR.
      Which they use, adjusting the program to their needs, and not the tasks of the students.

      It’s easy for you in graduation classes to shove French, which you did not learn at all, to finish off the hours of the former French headmistress.

      Conversely, they will leave 1 hour of Russian per week, although this is a mandatory subject for delivery.
      1. Mityasha
        Mityasha 24 September 2020 05: 12 New
        0
        Everything is correct, only the irresponsibility of the headmistresses and deputies, the head teacher personally tested me at school for the speed of reading and our whole class, and then the classroom comments on the results. School is a service sector, which is what directors use. In violation of the law, compulsory subjects are mixed with dopas and you get porridge and 7-8 lessons. For special stages, money is charged. French is yes, one foreign language cannot be brought up, and the second is given to graduates. In our school we don't even have textbooks on this language, but not an argument, the director said NADO.
    2. Tamer
      Tamer 23 September 2020 12: 58 New
      +1
      Since 2018, Russia has a Ministry of Education and a Ministry of Science and Higher Education.
      The current Minister of Education is young (born 1974) and productive. At the age of 25 he is a candidate of pedagogical sciences ("Methods of conducting classes with lagging students in mathematics using multimedia technology"), at 33 he is a doctor of sciences (topic "Theory and practice of organizing specialized education in schools of the Russian Federation").
      Experience in school - in 1994-1996 - a mathematics teacher at school No. 176 in Moscow.
      Deputy ministers are no less excellent teachers who know in their own skin everything about a modern school, students and their parents. wassat
      Then you can delve into the biographies of the leaders of the Ministry of Education of Russia https://edu.gov.ru/about/leadership/but optional.

      And you say, "the minister did not work for a day at school")) Your statement is easily refuted, only that does not make it any easier.
      1. Mityasha
        Mityasha 24 September 2020 05: 18 New
        +2
        And as for the pedagogical experience ... In 2 years, a teacher at school cannot write a dissertation, either you teach children without taking out (there simply will not be time), or you conduct experiments on students, only you can check your innocence after several shifts of students. It is impossible to say on the example of the recovery of one patient that he came up with a new method, repeated repetition to confirm the effectiveness. And we have both a change of leadership and changes in programs ..
  10. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 September 2020 10: 30 New
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    The modern electorate must be physically strong in order to be able to fight off criminals on their own, not to get sick, so as not to bear the burden on fictitious healthcare, live a short life, so as not to burden the FIU.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 23 September 2020 11: 55 New
      +2
      The modern electorate must ... Around. That's all.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 September 2020 12: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: lexus
        The modern electorate must ... Around. That's all.

        Well, why so categorically? Sometimes I shouldn't - sometimes I must ..))
  11. Woodman
    Woodman 23 September 2020 10: 31 New
    -2
    We don't teach anymore. We provide services. Educational.
    I would like to clarify what the teacher sees the difference? And, if there is a difference, then who prevents the teacher from teaching and not providing educational services?
    And salaries "at the start" they are everywhere "not ice" for the common man.
    And yes, today's students have too many rights and too few responsibilities. But pupils abuse their duties or not - it already depends on upbringing in the family. School cannot and should not replace the family. And if some parents believe that their task is only to conceive and give birth to a child, and the rest is the concern of the state, then such parents are fundamentally wrong.
    And, finally, why is the name "Dawn or Sunset in the Land of Fools?" All around "fools"? Or another provocation?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 September 2020 10: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      We don't teach anymore. We provide services. Educational.
      I would like to clarify what the teacher sees the difference? And, if there is a difference, then who prevents the teacher from teaching and not providing educational services?
      And salaries "at the start" they are everywhere "not ice" for the common man.
      And yes, today's students have too many rights and too few responsibilities. But pupils abuse their duties or not - it already depends on upbringing in the family. School cannot and should not replace the family. And if some parents believe that their task is only to conceive and give birth to a child, and the rest is the concern of the state, then such parents are fundamentally wrong.

      Well, if "provides services", then why is it of inadequate quality, and what then to pay for if the quality does not match?
      If you have to contact tutors, it means that the "service" was not provided.
      1. Kart
        Kart 23 September 2020 10: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: mat-vey
        If you have to contact tutors, it means that the "service" was not provided.

        Not at all.
        This means that your child is not able to cope with the program.
        Many can cope without tutors.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 September 2020 10: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: Carte
          This means that your child is not able to cope with the program.
          Many can cope without tutors.

          Yes, yes ... at the All-Russian Olympiads there are prizes, but with the program, no matter how ...
          Maybe the teacher just did not master the program, but the one who has the most rights is right?
          1. Kart
            Kart 23 September 2020 12: 04 New
            +2
            It happens. One thing with a bang, namely with the rest of the program in any way.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 23 September 2020 12: 13 New
              -2
              Quote: Carte
              It happens. One thing with a bang, namely with the rest of the program in any way.

              And what is more, for the whole class, for the whole school - what kind of flocculation was formed under a thousand fools gathered in one place ... Moreover, some teachers (who probably needed money a lot) in their desire to make money on tutoring, so they brought someone, what came to the hired scuffle fighter ... the first question of the investigating authorities was - how much do you take for tutoring ... Although there were some to whom the students explained their material, well, these are naturally without tutoring ...
              PySy and who do not ask all the same, with rare exceptions - there are renegade teachers, they try to teach, and not "read the material", but this is rather contrary to the system
              1. Kart
                Kart 23 September 2020 12: 32 New
                +2
                In any system, there are careerists, incompetent ones, and so on.
                I have a different experience - just the above categories were rare. In the overwhelming majority, these are normal, passionate teachers. Often still old school, but among young people there are much more normal ones than vice versa.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 23 September 2020 12: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: Carte
                  In any system, there are careerists, incompetent ones, and so on.

                  This is the same system as the Khrushchev cooperation - they pulled it off the counter, sold it to the market ... Education, especially children, cannot be without education. Even if someone thinks that "provides an educational service," he still educates - just as they say " on his own head. "And then it will collide and wipe ...
  12. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 10: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: "And won't the agony of the Russian education system become the beginning of the agony of the whole of Russia?" End of quote.
    (Agony is a terminal state of the body that precedes death.)
    Guys, everything is just the opposite, training of personnel is the most important function of the state organism.
  13. Petrik66
    Petrik66 23 September 2020 10: 33 New
    +1
    Yes, the heroine of the film "Country Teacher" appears less and less in the teachers' rooms. Again, everything was lost. But in Soviet times ..... In the days of my youth - and I entered the University even under Brezhnev, those who could not even enter the Polytechnic Institute for Aeronautics and Cosmonautics went to the Pedagogical Institutes. could not. Why tell stories. the lowest entrance scores, because the work was not prestigious, hard and then they did not collect curtains. Something has changed?
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 September 2020 17: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Petrik66
      Something has changed?

      Something.
      Something has changed. By modern standards, a Soviet C grade student is simply an outstanding student. In addition, after graduation, the Soviet C grade student worked and studied in real production, grew professionally and personally in a team. Some Soviet C-grade students still occupy very high positions today.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 23 September 2020 17: 41 New
      0
      What has changed is that it was possible to live on the salary of a Soviet teacher, although it was not rich, but at current prices you are either a teacher of elite schools, or a tutor, or a loser who has nowhere else to go.
  14. tatra
    tatra 23 September 2020 10: 40 New
    +4
    Firstly, people of very low quality were taken into Perestroika of the USSR, both in work and in mentality, intellect, priorities, and they ruined ALL branches of the country, including education. Secondly, during Perestroika, there was not a revolution - a change of power and the socio-economic System, but a counter-revolution - to return the country and people to the same state in which they were before the October Revolution, including closed "social elevators" for the people , and in higher educational institutions, for the most part, not smart and talented enter, but those who have rich parents.
    1. Kart
      Kart 23 September 2020 10: 52 New
      -2
      Quote: tatra
      Firstly, people of very low quality were taken into the Perestroika of the USSR - both in work and in mentality, intellect, priorities, and they ruined ALL branches of the country

      I wonder where they came from? Are these people of "very low quality"?
      They are, as it were, a product of the world's best education system.
      1. tatra
        tatra 23 September 2020 11: 00 New
        +6
        Ha, again the cowardly ideology of the enemies of the communists "and we have nothing to do with it. It's all the communists are to blame." And where did the Communist Bolsheviks and their supporters come from, who created a better state in EVERYTHING than the Romanovs and the bourgeoisie created? But after all, minus the wars unleashed by their external and internal enemies, and the restoration of the country after three wars, including the First World War, they had the same relatively peaceful years for development, 30-40 years, as did the enemies of the Communists who seized the USSR in Perestroika. ...
        1. Kart
          Kart 23 September 2020 12: 05 New
          -2
          That is, anyone else is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, but not the communists?
          Those who seized the legacy of the USSR - who are they?
          They turned out to be stronger than real communists.
          1. tatra
            tatra 23 September 2020 12: 13 New
            -1
            It is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but also logic and common sense. WHO created the separatist Popular Fronts during Perestroika, lied to the people that it was their republic that feeds the entire USSR, that it was necessary to secede, and immediately everyone in the republic would live several times richer? WHO IS Yeltsin, initiator of the de jure dismemberment of the USSR? And this is the one who banned the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on November 6, 1991. WHO made the dismemberment of the USSR its main state holiday in the anti-Soviet "independence-self", and every year they celebrate it under the incantation "we won our freedom and independence"? Communists and their supporters, or you, their enemies?
            1. Kart
              Kart 23 September 2020 12: 22 New
              -3
              Was Yeltsin WHO? A communist, and not the last. Is Gorbachev or Yakovlev there? And Chubais is a promising Komsomol member, the mainstay of the party.
              Here's a surprise, right?
              And everything is as if by selection - the best products of the Soviet system of education and upbringing, the result of the work of the "socialist social lift", etc.
              What kind of system is this so magical that pushed these to the top?
              What kind of enemies did they need?
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 September 2020 10: 44 New
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    I do not agree with the statement of the question "start with yourself." In the Union, the state built houses of pioneers, maintained various circles, but now? Well, I sat well with the child, and those children who fry sausages on the Eternal Flame, did their parents just sit with them? And where did Kolizurengoy come from? Turn on a film about the war, where the urkagans are sacked and only vile nkvdeshniki interfere with them. Our past is the fabulous Tsar Nicholas and the cannibals komunyaki.
    Well let's not talk about the past. Although as without the past. For example, I believe that three-quarters of the modern Ukraine is Russia. And they are trying to convince me that this is a country404 is it not too easy to give up our own.
    Well, about modern patriotism. Like Erdogan repented, and we forgave. And he did not repent. We are insulted from all sides, but we only express our concerns. In my 20 years, we knew that the Union is the best country, and now they say in all seriousness, it's time to blame and the word Motherland is an empty phrase for them.
    Homeland is where you can do business, that's all patriotism.
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 23 September 2020 11: 12 New
      0
      And don't argue, that's right ...
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 23 September 2020 16: 33 New
      -2
      This past charm is probably what makes old people say so many silly things about the days when they were young. The world, it seems to them, was then much better than now, and everything in it was much more like what it should be. The boys were then real boys, and the girls were very different from today. Also, winters were more like winters, and summer was not at all the tainted commodity that we are now slipping into. As for the amazing things that people did in those days, and the extraordinary events that happened then, it would take three hardy men to withstand at least half of all these tales.

      I love to hear some nice old gentleman talk about his past to a bunch of yellow-faced youngsters who - he knows this very well - cannot refute him. A little more time, and he would probably start to swear that when he was a boy, the moon shone every night and that his favorite sport in the school where he studied was tossing mad bulls on a blanket.

      And it has always been and always will be. The old people sang the same song when our grandfathers were boys; and today's youth, too, in due time, will annoy the younger generation with such nonsense. "Ah, to return to the good old days, to return half a century ago!" - this is the general refrain since the day Adam went fifty-second

      Jerome K. Jerome
      1. Polymer
        Polymer 24 September 2020 19: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Petrik66
        And it has always been and always will be. The old people sang the same song when our grandfathers were boys;

        No, not true. My father, whose childhood and adolescence fell on the war / post-war years, never admired in the meantime. In general, he very rarely spoke about it, but even when he was able to "get him to talk" - he remembered about the famine, about the evacuation. When the country rose from ruins, his youth was already over. In the stories about his youth, he was already more optimistic. And he always noted that life is getting better ... until the collapse struck. He did not call the new system anything other than "gangster capitalism", although it was difficult to call it an ardent supporter of Soviet power.
        Those. for a specific example - in the USSR, it became easier for people from year to year.
        Yes, now it is also better than in the 90s, but at the same time, some of the values ​​that were lost with the collapse of the USSR have not returned. And the process of losing social gains is progressing.
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2020 10: 48 New
    +1
    Children have a special intuitive "sense" of lies and falsehood, a heightened sense of injustice.

    Chuika is ... I don't even want to argue, but can they also make the correct conclusions? And on what basis? there is no knowledge and life experience, and who they will start to imitate, this is already a very serious problem.
    all this reasoning on the topic “you have to start with yourself” - talk about nothing.

    It all depends on what is the point to invest in it !!!
    Here, after all, it is not only personal, there is a lot of public and state.
    After all, this is OUR state, OUR society, even if only conditionally !!!
    But you need to make the conditional REAL! Not to give, to place the responsibility on someone, but to put it all on US, all together!
  17. sergo1914
    sergo1914 23 September 2020 10: 51 New
    +6
    I will express my opinion (I have been teaching for the last 7 years). Secondary and higher education. The system collapsed in the 90s. Adequate people went into business. Remained ... the one who remained. But now money is returning to education. There is an opportunity to attract adequate, experienced people. The problem is with the rest. They formed a clan with their own rules for joining it. People who bought in the 90th degree and who are sitting on streams do not let outsiders go there. Availability of degrees, publications, citation indices, compulsory pedagogical education, competition for filling a vacant position ... Your circle. For a question to a teacher at the Moscow Higher Technical School of the 80s about his pedagogical education, one could get it on the scoreboard. As a result, the authors of endlessly rewritten textbooks, who have not worked for a day in the real sectors of the economy, teach. The same people develop curricula. Outdated decades ago. And the old Soviet scientific school is already gone. The current one does not understand more or less complicated subjects. The brains are not the same. But some senseless publications, citations, textbooks. What can they teach. But the competition in this industry is colossal. Adequate leaders began to invite normal specialists. But not in the state, but under contracts. The states have the same cast-iron asses. That's when they leave in age - something can change. Years in 10-20.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 September 2020 11: 17 New
      -1
      In-in ...
      Quote: sergo1914
      But some senseless publications, citations, textbooks. What can they teach.

      So while I was studying, mine was grumbling - as for a conference, or what stand to program, that Denis, but as for exams on this topic - two, you don't know anything ... Sometimes I got to the cognitive one ..
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 23 September 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      The states have the same cast-iron asses.

      Yes, this is the mafia. In Baumanke recently the teacher died right at the lecture. From old age. wink
    3. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 23 September 2020 12: 02 New
      +2
      Come on, the average manager "in business" cannot write a letter without error (of course, now everyone doesn't care about that anymore), to the question of adequacy.
    4. Varyag71
      Varyag71 28 September 2020 12: 23 New
      0
      In 10-20 years, we can simply cease to be a power.
  18. bar
    bar 23 September 2020 10: 52 New
    +3
    "Is the education system so different now from the one that was under the USSR?"

    Different, and strong. And the point is not only in the educational "content" of textbooks (in the USSR, it also changed many times, up to the deletion of pages). It's about the ultimate goal of the education process. If in the USSR they tried to get a more or less erudite person, then in Russia it all boils down to successfully passing the exam. And figs would be with him with this USE, it's just one of the testing methods. The worst thing is that on-site training comes down to stupid training for the correct answers. There is no longer any talk about the development of erudition.
    The state withdrew itself from the upbringing of the younger generation, society also somehow became not up to it. As a result, in fact, only teachers are involved in raising children.

    If. In fact, teachers are merely "providing educational services." Whom Can Servants Raise?
    The test system drives people into a very narrow framework, we are not even talking about any breadth of thinking.

    To be fair, it is not the test system that drives, but the people themselves are driven. And the teachers themselves in the first place. In pursuit of performance and good "ratings" of schools.
    Crying naschet "12 sput. At the start" generally already erased stamp. Firstly, in many regions, many people have a problem simply with work, with any, with any. There "12 sput at the start" is just a dream. Secondly, for example, in Moscow schools, teachers' salaries have long been 100+. There are already even men go to work. The grandson of 12 teachers has 5 men. This was not even the case in the USSR.
    Something like that. Messy, incoherent, just noted what hurt the eye.
    1. Kart
      Kart 23 September 2020 12: 26 New
      -4
      Quote: bar
      If in the USSR they tried to get a more or less erudite person, then in Russia it all boils down to successfully passing the exam.

      Yes, and then these highly erudite went to work at the plant, and randomly assembled cars that were 50 years old. But in the smoking rooms, disputes about how to properly govern the country and what to do for Brezhnev did not stop for a minute.
      The result is known.
  19. bairat
    bairat 23 September 2020 10: 57 New
    +5
    How much does it cost for the budget to teach a child at school, then at the institute, maybe even postgraduate studies? A huge amount, probably. And what is the result? All more or less talented go to a potential enemy. We are somehow senselessly draining our potential.
  20. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 23 September 2020 11: 19 New
    +1
    We have a strange situation, everyone is very well versed in the education system, everyone knows what to do and speaks on the radio, television, in the press every day, but the system is better not to become) Honestly, the sofa experts pulled up, why, for example, is not treated kindly by attention , or social?
  21. Doccor18
    Doccor18 23 September 2020 11: 38 New
    +5
    ... as a result, the upbringing of children, in fact, is done ONLY by teachers. Moreover, the resulting ideological and educational gap is also trying with all their might to impose on the teacher ...

    It became very funny and sad. It's funny, because what is written is absurd. And it’s sad because at school, teachers are barely involved in not only upbringing, but even education, who have enough conscience and desire. And to all the questions of children and parents there is one answer: "hire a tutor if you want your child to do well ..."
    ... when I did my own homework last time with my child ..

    All responsible parents do their homework every day. The program is designed in such a way, and the textbooks are so flawed that the child, without the help of parents or a tutor, is not able to master all the material.
    And about the teachers, I wrote earlier ... Of the four who came, three quit their jobs at our school. Over the past 15 years, all 4 pediatricians have left the polyclinic. Now, in order to examine the child, the parents have to take him 20 km to another city. And on TV, all the "songs are singing" about a happy life and how Americans are afraid of us ...
    1. Tamer
      Tamer 23 September 2020 13: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18
      teachers not only upbringing, but even education are barely involved, who has enough conscience and desire

      Unfortunately, this is the main thing. Do not throw your slippers right away, think about who, how and why brought the school to such a state. In the fact that "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always" (c) I do not believe.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 23 September 2020 16: 04 New
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        Do not throw your slippers right away, think ..

        I thought for a long time.
        But, unfortunately, it will not reach the one at whom you want to throw a slipper ...
  22. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 September 2020 11: 42 New
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    If everything still looks normal with the acquisition of knowledge, but with upbringing, there is a big snag. Many parents and teachers have left the 90s. And then the question is, what kind of upbringing, aesthetic, patriotic, or all at once. But in any case, one cannot do without the help of the state. This help should be in the form of books, films, music ... But in any case, not for show, or for a report. Now a lot is built on emotions. Let Culture help in this difficult business.
  23. alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 23 September 2020 11: 53 New
    -5
    Excellent article!
  24. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 September 2020 12: 16 New
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    It is comforting that in the countries of our sworn friends, education is even worse. They lose competence one by one. And we will climb the trees all over the place at the same time. I will not live to see these "bright" days, thank God!
    The point here is not so much in the students and the system as in the growing new generation of teachers. That's where the oak on the oak and the oak drives! And they also sit in the leadership of education. Plus a culture that preaches an idle lifestyle and selfishness above all possibilities. Nothing else is needed.
    I really hope that our "idle" life will soon end along with the American economic system. The entire world economy will collapse and each country will have to solve problems alone, get out of the crisis, and then the "correct elevators" will start working, instead of those that are operating now.
  25. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 September 2020 12: 31 New
    +2
    According to the stories of familiar teachers, these people have no time for upbringing)) Firstly, because now the teacher is in much closer contacts with parents and mothers than it was in the 80s-90s-early 2000s. And not just in contact with parents, but in fact he is in the prism of consideration by the parental collective. All that he said / did will be procrastinating, and God forbid, he will point someone's "exceptional and unique" child to something outside the scope of the school curriculum!

    Secondly, today's teachers are overloaded with part-time jobs, this is their bread. This work is harmful and nervous, adding a moralizing function is already something superhuman. We live in a commercial environment and people do what they get paid for. Adding functionality = adding a bobble. Otherwise, it turns out that a deceived person will push speeches for honesty and patriotism, it will be somewhat unnatural, sir.

    The USSR was interested in raising professionals for its own needs - and in their complex ideological processing. Today's Russia is indifferent to professionalism - we have rather modest state projects, for which there are more than enough of those who will be formed "as it should and in spite of the circumstances." Other people are the fodder for our patchwork economy, and indoctrination is completely unimportant, due to the unequivocal rate of mortification in hand with a powerful force apparatus.

    So everything is quite logical and within the framework of the observed scheme. And nothing will change, you can howl at the moon as long as you like and call Belphegor. If you want an unborn child, take care of it yourself, the state of Syria and Nord Stream 2 are now much closer and more important.
  26. BAI
    BAI 23 September 2020 12: 54 New
    +4
    Irina Vikhrova, a teacher with 22 years of experience, to whom I showed Vladimir's opinion.

    I do not agree. Absolutely. Maybe the university system is similar somewhere and in some way, but the school curriculum has undergone very significant changes. It has long had nothing to do with the Soviet system, the goals and objectives are different. Different approaches, different methods, textbooks, everything else. Not ours, not what they taught us in due time.

    Irina is absolutely right.
  27. imobile2008
    imobile2008 23 September 2020 13: 02 New
    -7
    I am not enthusiastic about modern education. it the legacy of the USSR, it is necessary to refine... The first thing to focus on is the ability to defend their thoughts and knowledge. I.e children should communicate freely, shout from the place, walk around the class, there should be a natural process. And still have to perform in front of an audience, often! And the Unified State Exam is a good option, only questions need to be prepared with high quality. Alas, in the USSR, education was not held in high esteem. I was almost the only botanist in almost the entire school. Everyone spat on education and counted only on connections and chance. The girls expected to get married successfully. Pupils of the USSR have knowledge for the 4th grade of the school. I was shown one question from the exam, with the words that they are fools there, but here all the answers fit. When I saw the question, the answer is so obvious there and the rest are fundamentally unsuitable for me that it became I am ashamed of my education in the USSR, as I am ashamed that no one knows chemistry, physics, biology, or a foreign language. Even the polar star cannot be found, although this is the level of kindergarten!
  28. parusnik
    parusnik 23 September 2020 13: 36 New
    +1
    Only one question arises: where in 15-20 years will we find scientists and designers who will develop new types of weapons and protection? Who will teach and prepare them? And won't the agony of the Russian education system become the beginning of the agony of the whole of Russia?
    .... What scientists, what designers? There are not enough workers in various specialties. Once I wrote to our SRZ branch of Zvezdochki, they brought the dock, they couldn't "unfreeze", there are no specialists. At the other SRZ, the dock was simply sold, there were no specialists. But on the first occasion, it seems, they solved the problem, decided to invite specialists from Nikolaev left without work.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 23 September 2020 14: 44 New
      +3
      Alexey hi With such a stupidity rate, there will soon be no one to invite, nowhere and there is no need.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 23 September 2020 15: 20 New
        +2
        The paradox: progress contributes to stupefaction, unfortunately and not only in our country. Foreign science fiction writers wrote about this back in the last century. Alas, it has become a reality.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 September 2020 18: 21 New
          -4
          No, some just love to wishful thinking.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 September 2020 20: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          The paradox: progress contributes to dullness, unfortunately and not only in our country. Foreign science fiction writers wrote about this in the last century. Alas, it has become a reality.
          while I remembered the story of Robert Sheckley on this topic. At the level of civilization of another planet, higher than the earthly, each of its representatives was underdeveloped lol or underdeveloped wassat
  29. g1v2
    g1v2 23 September 2020 15: 20 New
    -5
    The main difference between the Soviet education, which collapsed along with the country, from the modern Russian one is actually simple. Soviet education set itself the task of pulling and shaping a person. The teachers tried to pull everyone they could. The result was that Soviet higher education drove C grade students in wagons. Everywhere. "Tyap-blooper" was the norm. Troechniki doctors, teachers, engineers. ONLY THERE WAS TIGHT CONTROL AND DEMAND THERE WAS SUCCESS. This is a military man. She is still in order - precisely because there is demand and responsibility.
    Now no one is dragging anyone anywhere. Education is a social step. If you want to have a higher level, great opportunities for growth, etc., you will study and try to get an education. If he is talented, he will be taken to a special school and help to open up. You don't want to study - for God's sake. Workers are always needed, and in much larger numbers than university graduates. Nobody will drag. Do you want to study? Tightened up so that he passed the exam at a minimum and was not completely Neanderthal, and then go to work. request
    Education is a value. Those who understand it will learn and have a great chance of moving up the social elevator. In fact, this is becoming a new yardstick for the distribution of people across social strata.
    Well, what about the differences in approaches. When I studied in Soviet times, I could get hold of one, or maybe two, books in the library. Good or bad - there was nothing to choose from. Now the entire world library is in the smartphone of any student. Learning everything is unrealistic and unnecessary. The flow of information is enormous in comparison with Soviet students. And it is constantly being updated. The main thing in training really becomes to be able to find the necessary information and apply it correctly. request
    The world has changed and Soviet education is now - much like parish schools and tsarist education. It was also not bad for its time, but 20-30 years after death it is also no longer relevant. My IMHO - I do not impose. hi
  30. Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 September 2020 16: 59 New
    0
    All this has long been understood.
    Familiar good teachers leave at the first opportunity. Tutoring, or, with luck (usually supported by the husband), go into business.

    Teaching, USE, Admission - have become completely unrelated things. Education? Formally, there is, informally everyone would survive and earn ...

    Familiar programmers and engineers talk about sheer eyewash in government programs. No one will make money there anyway, the state will either buy it out or not, but the money has already been spent.
  31. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 September 2020 17: 20 New
    -1
    What used to be the basis in the training system? Accumulation of knowledge. So that a person on the basis of analogies could operate with this knowledge. Now the direction is to simply be able to acquire knowledge and use. You learn to find the information you need at a specific moment. Like the search bar in Google, so about. from the article

    In my humble opinion, uncles have 5 nephews and 2 nieces ... The modern school does NOT teach !!! she demands to memorize !!! In the years of my youth in the late 1970s and early 1980s, even the most doubles knew the multiplication table by heart and knew how to apply it in practice ... And now what ?! am My niece is 10 !!! years old does not know the multiplication table by heart !!! My nephew at the age of 12 does not know how to apply it in practice !!! am Although they, my nephews, have brains - God forbid everyone !!! good

    But these are still "flowers" laughing My oldest nephew at 18 DON'T KNOW !!! (or rather, does not UNDERSTAND) chemistry !!! and he is already a sophomore at the Minsk University belay and his chemistry is one of the most important subjects !!! wassat He was simply NOT taught - he was "trained" at school to pass exams ... request

    My opinion - it is necessary URGENTLY !!! return the Soviet school of learning !!! before it's too late !!! the teachers who themselves studied in the USSR are still alive ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 September 2020 18: 29 New
      0
      "He was simply NOT taught - he was" trained "in school to pass exams." If he really wanted to, he would have mastered her chemistry.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 23 September 2020 19: 09 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        "He was simply NOT taught - he was" trained "in school to pass exams." If he really wanted to, he would have mastered her chemistry.

        He doesn't care about this chemistry - and this is a consequence of studying at school !!! bully in his most nightmare dream he simply could not imagine that after school he would need this chemistry laughing

        Think about the situation - at the end of the first year the student is NOT !!! understands what valence is !!! and this is the norm !!!
  32. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 September 2020 18: 02 New
    +1
    The article is more than controversial. And the comments are simply endless, far from reality. It seems that all the VO experts have never been to a modern school!

    In the modern school of the Russian Federation, they simply "got bored" with "education". During the union, the school's arsenal included shouts, cuffs, "calling the parents" and special schools. Now "humanism" has turned schools into a mixture of vocational schools, criminal zones and American depressed teenagers. And the school brings up all this swamp in the second generation with daily stories about "bunnies" and "bears". Instead of "calling the parents," the Ministry of Education requires multiple "family visits". If the teachers performed all the educational activities, they would end up in a psychiatric hospital along with the wards.
    The school is saved by the remnants of common sense. What Roman described exists only "in theory". As taught at the Union - and teach: check d / z - explanation. Even the history textbooks have hardly changed. All "innovations" are for reviewers only. I personally have seen "modern lessons" from colleagues only "for verifiers." Tests don't matter much. It is a great misconception that modern schools do not teach "critical thinking". Under the USSR, no one was interested in "opinion" at all in schools. They crammed "the amount of knowledge, abilities, skills." On the contrary, it is now "shamans-educators" who are trying to impose an absurd "alternative thinking". But in reality, no one needs it: neither the children, nor the university.
    The problem is that only those who are forced into universities by their parents study. The rest - pragmatically "do nothing" and prevent others from learning: music, chips, games on the phone, selfies, etc.
    Half of the children cynically do not care about their own parents, who are forced to earn money for "commerce" and feed their "fancy" after school. 2/3 of mothers admit in conversations that they cannot influence their children from grades 5-6. Some ask to somehow "rein in" the uncontrollable offspring.

    ps In other countries, the problems of education and training have been reasonably and logically resolved. In the Russian Federation, it is one of the ugliest and most ineffective secondary education systems. All this is either sabotage, or "out of thoughtlessness." ... It's a pity I had to write messy - four more "preparations" for today ...
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 23 September 2020 18: 32 New
      0
      Well, you missed, for example, the issue of low salaries with such hard work, why only losers go to teachers now. The abundance of reports was also correctly written in the comments.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 23 September 2020 18: 38 New
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        Quote: Kronos
        Well, you missed, for example, the issue of low salaries with such hard work, why only losers go to teachers now.

        Yes - that's so ... Teachers come from hopelessness (mainly from personal poverty). But, paradoxically, under the USSR, inept teachers could "take a place" for years. Now at school, outright mediocrities leave on their own (it is too difficult to maintain the pace and pressure).
  33. depressant
    depressant 23 September 2020 20: 48 New
    +7
    In general, colleagues, so.
    If some of you want to see an accurate image of not only our future, as it is being built now, but also the image of the future of our school, read the futurological novel by the writer Figl-Migl "Happiness". I am not kidding. This is the pseudonym and this is the name - with a hint. There is a teacher, one of the characters - a downtrodden creature, literally beaten by students and superiors. The future is a kingdom of ignorance and devastation. The end point of an embodied trend. At the same time, the novel is written in excellent Russian, in a good style, and is easy to read. After all, the writer was still trained by Soviet teachers ...

    And in that Soviet school it was customary to cram! To memorize the multiplication table, the table of trigonometric functions, the table of derivatives and integrals, the periodic table, etc. The laws of mathematics, chemistry, physics, astronomy - we had astronomy! It is easy to show different countries on the map, name the main historical dates. And also by heart - the rules of grammar: syntax, spelling, declension, conjugation.
    Painfully memorizing, the student, without realizing it, forced his brain to work, forming weak connections in it. But the repetition from year to year built stable ones. The person as a whole has become smarter due to training and the development of convolutions.
    What now? "Teach the student to learn!" It's funny.
    It, a child, has not yet lived in the world, it has no idea what needs to be learned. The Soviet school offered a backbone, a concise system of what could then be strung new knowledge, learning the world independently, assessing this world from the point of view of the system given in the school.
    The Unified State Exam does not have a systematic assessment of the world. Why does the government need ordinary citizens who are able to assess its actions comprehensively? He needs people who are able, like mice in a cage, to react to the signals of their own body: "cold-hungry" or "satisfying-warm".
    And further. The teacher does not have to be a friend of the child. He should be a person whom the student looks up to with respect. We respected only those teachers who came to the lesson to teach us something, to give us knowledge. Such teachers knew how to make this knowledge received by most of us. Silence reigned among such teachers in the classroom, the children were busy with work, the teachers did not have to pull back, calm down, or make any comments. And none of the disciples even thought to "get mad". Because we saw that the teacher is serious and determined to give us knowledge, believing that it is extremely important for us. We were infected with his confidence. This was education. We were brought up by the personality of the teacher, his attitude to business.
    At the lessons of those who tried to be our "friend", as they say, "walked on their heads" and the teacher "sat on their heads", they implicated. No knowledge of the subject was received.
    Therefore, all these countless innovations, which I read in passing in the press, are ridiculous to me. I can see the level of literacy at which new generations express themselves on the Internet and what is their level of knowledge in general.
    The study of abstractions is not in the animal nature of man. Therefore, teaching is hard, dull, but necessary work. That's if we're not going to return to tree-dwelling and tail-growing. And all these conversations like "teacher-friend", "teach to learn", the rest - conversations for the poor. The child's friends are father and mother. That is, if they are smart and understand it.
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 24 September 2020 20: 14 New
      0
      Everything is correct, except for the last statement. The father and mother, like the teacher, should not be friends of the child - they should be his parents, in every sense. And friends are peers, occasionally brothers and sisters, but definitely not parents.
  34. Rage66
    Rage66 23 September 2020 20: 59 New
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    [quote] [/ quote] I want to start with a “seditious” thought: “Is the education system so different now, from the one that was under the USSR?
    Here I personally come to the conclusion that no. The formation of personality in the USSR took place under the influence of three interrelated subjects: the state, society, school /

    In the first lines of the commentary, I would like to argue to the author that the basis for the formation of a personality in a normal society is always the family ... There is a concept of "reference environment", that is, the environment that surrounds a person for a greater time of the day (weeks, months). It is she who has a decisive influence on the formation of a person's worldview.
    The state, society and school, in a normal situation, always lose to the family in terms of the amount of time of exposure to the child ...
  35. Pravodel
    Pravodel 24 September 2020 08: 44 New
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    The problems existing in the modern Russian school are a natural development of the situation that has developed in the system of public education in Russia since the 90s, when the state moved from the public education system to the system of providing teaching services. As a result, the school has turned into a kind of club of a business center by interests, where services are selected according to the principle “easier, simpler, no need to work”. As a result, the school stopped producing, creating a human-citizen, and began to produce idiots, “dropouts”, for whom education is a collection of abstract knowledge tied to Google and the Internet. Knowledge is no longer needed, it is enough just to google and get the result from the omniscient vekipedia. Hence, sometimes the thesis is given as evidence: "Wikipedia says the opposite." This is the criterion of knowledge ...
    Who is to blame? The answer is obvious - the state, which has forgotten about the school, has given the school to itself, has transformed public education under the influence of the liberals Profit, loot - this is the main thing, and the school is the remainder, pulling liberals into a pool of expenses. Such an attitude towards school, imposed on liberal intolerance to coercion, although education is always coercion, and gives rise to those problems from which we grab our heads and ask ourselves the question: who will build a new Russia tomorrow, ensure the protection of the Fatherland, educate the younger generation ?! .... There is no answer, or rather, there is one, but for this it is necessary to abandon all the liberal nonsense introduced and introduced into the public education system, to return to the school its fundamental importance as the most important element of public education, ensuring the creation and upbringing of a person and a citizen. If this is not done, then the same will happen to the school as to the vocational education destroyed by the liberals ... The Russian school itself is not needed by the liberals, their children study in the West, do not need school education, they live in a completely different system of values, in a different world , separated from the world of us mere mortals, so the school can be destroyed altogether under the pretext of its uselessness and complete decomposition…. If ever this happens, the result for Russia will be worse than the dashing 90s, because here not industry will be destroyed, but the very basis of the formation of a person in society ... But God forbid, let the liberals do the same with the Russian school. Hence, the main question is "what to do?"
    What to do? Rejection of Liberalism and the Return of Public Education to the People
    The most important step towards reforming schools and public education should be the return of male teachers to school. Without men, the school is half-hearted and devoid of its educational function, the basis that constitutes the soul of the school. Without education, the school just turns into a hobby club, a place for providing services. In turn, upbringing requires discipline and coercion: soft, tough, but always coercion, which is impossible without the participation of men, which immediately comes into conflict with the liberal attitudes of universal freedom of the individual, regardless of what kind of person it is: destructive or creative. Liberal protrusion of individual freedom at school leads to the flourishing of the adolescent criminal subculture with its power of force, licentiousness, permissiveness, criminal violence against students, teachers ... in pre-revolutionary Russia, in the USSR, which is not possible without male teachers.
    The return of men to school and the return to the school of its educational function, in turn, is impossible without a sharp increase in teachers' salaries. Teachers should not be perceived by schoolchildren, students as beggars, beggars, living on beggarly benefits. A school teacher should be the same example of state security as an officer in the Russian army. A school drained of beggarly wages cannot be reborn as a worthy state institution. This is what liberals are and will resist in every possible way. Hence, it is impossible to revive the school without clearing out state institutions from liberals. School is a state institution in which liberal values ​​and liberal freedoms have no place.
    Transition to a three-tier school system:
    What is a three-tier school system?
    Those who worked in the school know that the class is usually divided into 3 groups: 1st group - advanced, very successful; 2nd group - average; 3rd group - poorly performing or not doing at all, not to be confused with special schools for mentally retarded children. Group 3 - these are normal children who can and should study in a normal school, but for these children there must be special teaching methods that cannot be implemented in the general mass of the class. In this sense, the 3rd group can be conditionally attributed to the eternal C grade students who do not master the secondary school curriculum, but who need to be brought to graduation from school. From here. - and "eternal C grade".
    Taking into account the abilities of the children of the school, classes in the school should be divided by categories of students and include only strong, only average and only weak students with differentiation of programs, methods and methods of teaching. This practice is already present at the level of prestigious, elite schools, where students are pre-tested. The practice of dividing students into categories should be widespread and implemented in schools as a preventive measure to improve the quality of public education. This, in turn, will require a change in the entire system of school teaching: a transition from an average program, conditionally designed for mastering by all students, to differentiated programs designed for mastering by each individual group of students. At the same time, the program of the 1st group should be significantly strengthened, and the program of the 3rd group should be weakened, adapted to the requirements of the students of this group. The reverse side of the transition to a three-tier system of public education will be the return of interest in education in all school category groups: in the 1st group, interest in acquiring additional knowledge will be stimulated, in the 3rd group, interest in education will be restored.
    In turn, the presence of a three-tier education system does not mean that a student is always attached to one category or another, a school group, but only means that through learning, through the assimilation of the knowledge offered in the group, through the development of the ability to master the taught material, the student can and must move to a higher category and, conversely, if it is impossible to assimilate the material in a higher group, a student can and should move to a lower group of students.
    Further, the transition to a three-tier education system will require a restructuring of the school assessment, point system: the five received in the 1st group, and the five received in the 2nd or 3rd group, will have different prices. In each group of students, a student can and should receive 5, 4, and 3,2, but the price of a mark in each of the groups will be different. Common to each of the groups should be that the mark stimulates interest in acquiring knowledge.
    The difference in teaching suggests that each of the categories of students should have their own examination programs: strengthened for the 1st group, weakened for the 3rd group. In this case, a student who has passed the exam in the 2nd, 3rd category can retake the exam for a higher category in the future.
    Passing exams by category, in turn, should determine the level of further education of students: 1st category - education at the university, 2nd category - college, lyceum, 3rd category - vocational education. In Russia, there should be no universal higher education, but there should be secondary and vocational education.
    The transition to a three-tier education system presupposes a change in the mode of schooling: the transition in the senior grades from class, lesson teaching to lecture and seminar training, which involves the presence of exams after each academic semester. Changes in the mode of teaching will not only dramatically reduce the school load on students, but will also require the development of special individual programs of seminars, lectures, homework assignments, coursework, etc., everything that exists in colleges and universities.
    Revival of vocational education:
    The consequence of the transition to a three-tier education system should be the revival of vocational education, completely lost in the 90s, built on the basis of modern educational institutions with an appropriate production base, fully oriented and close to production, capable of producing professionals who do not require additional training during the transition to production ...
  36. Alexander X
    Alexander X 24 September 2020 09: 57 New
    +3
    I read the comments. We all agree that the current education system is bad. I am trying to analyze the reasons for this. Everything is very simple. There was a socialist system in the USSR. For better or worse, the state was socially oriented towards citizens. There was an attempt to create a new community of people, builders of communism. Therefore, attention was paid to education and the upbringing of the younger generation. Now the system is capitalist. With him, what is needed from ordinary people: to give the maximum of their work for next to nothing, consume cheap food and multiply. Education among the masses is unnecessary. This is harmful for biorobots, which, in fact, are necessary for work. And the elite stratum will train its children and put them in leadership positions and positions. If you look from this point of view, then the existing education is precisely the first step towards the creation of biorobots ...
    The system in the state must be changed, then everything will be tightened up for new goals, both education and medicine ...
  37. Selevc
    Selevc 24 September 2020 10: 06 New
    +2
    The current generation is now just beginning to reap the benefits of liberal education reforms. Moreover, the processes are similar in approximately all countries of the republics of the former USSR.
    Why do we need a form? - Let's cancel it !!! Why would a pupil or a student need cramming? - Let him choose what he wants to learn !!! Why do we need so many items? - Let's unite once again "bulldogs with rhinos" and then you look somewhere we will sail!

    That's all - they have sailed! A generation of young people has already grown up who do not know how to write correctly, and 2 mistakes in almost every word is a kind of norm !!!
    All they need they will find in the Internet - but will the parents like how the child of the Internet will bring them up ???
    Throughout the post-Soviet space, there is a process of transition from mass secondary education to good education, but for the elite (rich) - elite education !!!
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 24 September 2020 10: 33 New
      -3
      You're exaggerating too much. The level of education of a person has always depended on the desire to learn.
  38. barin
    barin 24 September 2020 21: 06 New
    +2
    It's very simple - the education system is being destroyed because the government has enemies or fools (no one knows which is worse?)
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 24 September 2020 21: 11 New
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      Quote: barin
      It's very simple - the education system is being destroyed because the government has enemies or fools (no one knows which is worse?)

      Why did you decide that only in the government?
  39. ZAV69
    ZAV69 25 September 2020 11: 23 New
    0
    Do you think they teach at school now? No, the main task of the school is to find the student so that he would run to the tutor. And the same teachers who work in the school are engaged in tutoring.
    And the fact that they pay little ..... These are already fairy tales.
  40. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 September 2020 13: 20 New
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    Education in modern Russian society is generally impossible. What we see is not education at all. Absolutely impossible, do you understand? To get a real education, a person must do what he desperately does not like and does not want - to change. Change every day. People go to crimes, to suicide, just not to change, but here you have to be reborn continuously.
    This is possible only with the strongest motivation. In the old days, hunger was the main motivation. Death, the most real, death, all this breathed in the back of each person. Education made it possible to push death away from one's throat. Yes, people who had such an opportunity studied fiercely ...
    Then, in the West, the bulk of them began to be given not education, but primary skills. The surf teacher at school is the norm in the US. They began to teach only great talents, and also did not stop teaching the children of the elite. For both those, and for others, the education system from an early age is brutal violence and extreme stress. Well, excluding the fun "schools" where our elites send their children, hoping to give their children Western education and connections. In fact, these "schools" are intended so that the children of stupid natives are well prepared to give their countries and their money to Western "friends" who "studied" with them. Of course, the children of the Anglo-American elite bear a double burden, but this is only for their benefit. Real training, plus the stupid pastime in the "schools" where the natives are trained. It's hard, but they do it)
    Our school no longer works at all. Even literacy, though disgusting, is taught rather by social networks ...
  41. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 26 September 2020 15: 12 New
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    And who will teach and prepare them? And won't the agony of the Russian education system become the beginning of the agony of the whole of Russia?

    Yes it will with such ideological indifference, a liberal attitude to education and upbringing on the part of the state! And this at a time when our outspoken enemy is the West, which is not shy in expressions and openly demonstrating its intentions to eliminate Russia, incl. and physically, from the political map of the world, by all means climbs into the process of education and upbringing of our young generation! Here is the pro-Western liberal German Gref - our newly minted teacher, such an active supporter and propagandist of education Consumer, suddenly became interested in the production of our cartoons, knowing full well that this is a wonderful tool upbringing adherents of Western values ​​from childhood! And this policy of the West, unfortunately, it must be admitted, is yielding results: in Ukraine, thousands and thousands of Soros have already been raised and educated, who rule there today. Similar processes are underway in Belarus ...
  42. seacap
    seacap 27 September 2020 12: 48 New
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    Our colonial administration (the ruling class) does not need smart and creatively thinking people, they will immediately start asking questions that the "boyars" cannot answer without receiving an intelligible answer, they will begin to creatively look for ways to rectify the situation, tb. There is experience and not everyone who knows how to do it and how it should be, was killed according to the training manual of the "chief specialist" of the pandemic and covid-hysteria, the mayor of the capital, with his protege. Deafening, destruction of the education and upbringing system, with the replacement of migrants without a homeland, rights and education and morality of the indigenous population, a purposeful and planned policy of any occupation administration, all social and legal issues are immediately resolved. This was one of the main goals of creating an instrument of external colonial management - the HSE, for this, and "lover of Tibetan practices", "accountant" Sberbank dominates education and other spheres of education and activity. The old Jesuit slogan "If you want to defeat the enemy, educate him children ”.
    The Jesuits zealously took up the upbringing of the aristocracy and just promising talented children, do not there be any associations today?
    “When scientists, engineers, doctors and other representatives of mental labor leave the country. The flower of the people, the intelligentsia, leaves, then in such a country“ businessmen ”become rulers, plebeians and crooks from the street become politicians, and bazaar speculators, athletes and artists become deputies . "
    These words were spoken in the Riksdag Committee on Migration and Demographic Policy in 1932 by Hars Jensen, political adviser to the chairman of the Social Democratic Workers' Party of Sweden.
  43. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 September 2020 19: 58 New
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    So for the Higher School of Economics from which those who steered our education all these years crawled out, the task is the opposite to make de, Bills out of smart children. America rules.
  44. Varyag71
    Varyag71 28 September 2020 09: 06 New
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    There is a deliberate degradation of the country's population. And behind this there is only the power in the Kremlin, beloved by the patriots.
  45. powermax
    powermax 30 September 2020 08: 46 New
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    Nothing new - under capitalism educated people are not needed (in America, for example, there is zero education), but they have the opportunity to buy specialists from all over the world, unlike us (we can only attract janitors from Central Asia) ...