Roscosmos named the timing of the flight of the atomic space tug to Jupiter

Russia will create a space tug with a nuclear reactor; by the end of this year, it is planned to sign a contract for the development of the Nuclon complex. This was stated by the executive director of Roscosmos for promising programs and science, Alexander Bloshenko.

In an interview with TASS, Bloshenko explained that Roskosmos "will sign a contract for the creation of this complex by the end of the year. According to plans, in 2030 the nuclear space tug is to set off on a long flight to one of Jupiter's satellites. He stressed that it will be a full an expedition, not a test flight.

The contract for the preliminary design of the Nuclon space complex will be concluded by the end of this year. A space tug with a nuclear reactor from this complex will be used for flights to distant planets of the solar system, its first mission is scheduled for 2030

- said Bloshenko.

According to the flight program, the tug with a docked payload module will first go to the Moon, then to Venus, and then to the satellite of Jupiter, where it will begin research. On the way, the tug will leave two satellites in the orbits of the Moon and Venus.

Bloshenko explained that the design of the tug will be a transport and energy module with an open architecture. The megawatt-class nuclear reactor installed on it will provide the tug with energy for the transportation of various payloads for a long time. He did not give other details of the new project.

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[Zaurbek]

Will Rogozin pilot?

[Ingvar 72]

Ideally, together with the entire government.

[SRC P-15]

According to the flight program, the tug with a docked payload module will first go to the Moon, then to Venus, and then to the satellite of Jupiter, where it will begin research. On the way, the tug will leave two satellites in the orbits of the Moon and Venus.

And then Rogozin woke up ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: SRC P-15

According to the flight program, the tug with a docked payload module will first go to the Moon, then to Venus, and then to the satellite of Jupiter, where it will begin research. On the way, the tug will leave two satellites in the orbits of the Moon and Venus.

And then Rogozin woke up ...

In a satellite orbiting Venus

[Lexus]

In a satellite orbiting Venus

The "Vedra" carriers have a principle - more "noodles", different and different. On the ears of the "settlers".

[hrych]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And then Rogozin woke up ...

We have a lot of people here to kick Rogozin, but, of course, Rogozin is in the subject that a planetary flight is going. Rogozin is undoubtedly aware that Russia is making a breakthrough in space exploration, as well as in weapons based on new physical principles. Undoubtedly a megawatt compact nuclear facility - the heart of Poseidon, Petrel, Peresvet, EMP cannon, Railgun and certainly a planetary spacecraft. It is high time for stupid bloggers - haters of Russia to subside.

The future has come and it is in Russia, even though it is a great problem to stop it pouring pus on our Motherland.
https://german-kmw.livejournal.com/112316.html

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

"Uncle king, very hot cauliflower" ... (c).

[Shurik70]

Quote: hrych

The future has come and it is in Russia, even though it’s a great problem to stop pouring pus on our Motherland.

Not Russia, but Rogozin.
He's too big a storyteller. He promised that in 2012 the defense order system will be automated, Vostochny will be built in 2015, in 2019 there will be 45 launches (made 22), that in 2020 there will be launches of private Russian companies (following the example of Elon Musk) ...
Remember the Chechen war? The moment between the 1st and 2nd Chechens, when the terrorists won for a while and were the masters in Ichkeria. Rogozin then went to see them for some reason (why?). Made friends. And I took this picture. I don’t believe him.

[hrych]

Rogozin became head of Roscosmos since May 24, 2018. Those. two years ago. This is not a long time for such a powerful industry to feel something from a clerk, albeit a high-ranking one. In general, like the Minister of Defense or the Head of Roscosmos, they are political and public figures with the task of shining a light. And so the General Staff and the Supreme are in charge, in the Armed Forces, in Roskosmos, in Rosatom. And also I suppose a certain secret scientific council of highbrow academicians ...

[Shurik70]

Quote: hrych

The General Staff and the Supreme are in charge, in the Armed Forces, in Roskosmos, in Rosatom. And also I assume some kind of secret scientific advice

If SCIENTIFIC - I would only be FOR.
Only if it was scientific, there would be no coups and the sale of scientific and industrial capacities. And they wouldn’t be chatting “in 2030 there will be such and such”, but if they decided to inform, they would have reported the program for 10-15 years ahead, at least 10-15 points

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

The future has come and it is in Russia

Have you ever read the article on your own link? A couple of quotes from there:

this design most likely will not fly into space, but will apparently be used as a technological model on earth

As far as the topic on TEM (from open sources - without inside from closed sources) - now the TEM project has been frozen (in terms of financing developments) until 2030 due to the unavailability of the ground infrastructure for conducting vacuum tests of TEM components

Those. it will not even be tested until 2030.

[hrych]

So learn to read carefully. "Most likely" - this is the opinion of the blogger who posted the news, and not the project participant. LJ-ist blurted it out to him And in 2030, the responsible employee designated a super mission - a flight to the Moon, Venus and the satellite of Jupiter, and even with the release of satellites into their orbit. Therefore, a wise person will not begin to carry a blizzard and accuse of not reading, but will understand that the assembled apparatus will be tested on Earth and tested in orbit from the 20th to the 30th years of this century. A wise person will understand that before a distant super-fantastic interplanetary mission, orbital, maneuvering vehicles will be created, in parallel equipped with combat elements, possibly shock ones. And if there are small concepts in engineering, then a wise person will understand that it is a space model that is going to be assembled, for an earthly model it is not required to fence elements of an openable structure, etc. Therefore, get a log from one place (eye), and then look for a speck in the eye of others.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

"Most likely" - this is the opinion of the blogger who posted the news, and not the project participant.

Nobody denied this opinion. And the opinions of the project participants are not there at all.

Quote: hrych

And in 2030, the responsible employee designated a super mission - a flight to the Moon, Venus and the satellite of Jupiter

Yeah, right after the station on the moon.

[hrych]

LJ-ist ... is equal to you in importance. Not that I have a high opinion of you (as a commentator), but in the sense of LJ-ist ... not high.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Yeah, right after the station on the moon.

Argue with the executive director of Roscosmos.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Strangely enough, no. In 2019, at the Roscosmos Exhibition, a model of a nuclear tugboat was presented and ... Employees told that they were tested
1. Carbon sliding trusses,
2.high power ion engines
3. Radiators (heat, as I understand it, for cooling a nuclear installation) (space radiators)
4. Helium-xenon turbocharger
5. Assemblies on new nuclear fuel
6. Reactor vessel made. Dry reactor mass = 6 tons.
7. Special radiation-resistant monocrystalline units made of molybdenum materials.
Ps do not load me with physics and theoreticians, for which I bought and sold. Here is the link to the video:
https://youtu.be/0xssjbBYni8

[timokhin-aa]

The project is truly breakthrough and necessary and really wants Roscosmos and Rosatom to succeed.

But I have a question - where do you get all this from?

nuclear installation - the heart of Poseidon, Petrel, Peresvet

It's not like that.

[hrych]

Quote: timokhin-aa

It's not like that.

This is exactly how it is. There is no other way. With Petrel and Poseidon, everything is clear anyway, but look at Peresvet from an engineering point of view, there is a powerful quantum generator, which is redundant for illuminating optical detectors. See tests of similar American samples for burning at the range of missile corps, from the time of attempts at SDI. The dimensions are close. Further, a capacitor bank for storing energy and a powerful pulse, as well as an energy source. This is either the level of a ship, a Boeing aircraft, or being near a power plant. Peresvet, the "big truck", has no such source, not a lousy diesel generator. He's mobile. Therefore, only a small-sized, high-power reactor designated by the President can be megawatt and taking up little space.

[timokhin-aa]

This is exactly how it is. There is no other way. Stormcloak and Poseidon are clear anyway

What is clear to you? For a number of reasons, I saw documents concerning the Poseidon power plant. Your pretentious exclamations here, let's directly say past.
Of course, I won't write anything here (although everything is clear to any specialist there), but I'm wondering - WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? I do not want to prove anything to you, and to argue too, I am simply interested in the source of your knowledge. Please think. You didn't guess yourself, someone put it into your head, you want to look at this hero of the information war.

For your reference, even an ordinary 53-cm torpedo usually has 0,5-1 MW on the shaft, and you are going to move Poseidon, which is TWO TIMES more than an SLBM, at the expense of a megawatt of THERMAL (which is much less than the useful shaft power) "Mace". Is it inflatable or something, Poseidon? In reality, there are a lot of tens of megawatts, this is your Poseidon, if you don't know.

Peresvet, the "big truck", has no such source, not a lousy diesel generator.

Well then, find me a reactor heat exchanger in the picture with Peresvet. Or is it not cooled in your reality?

[hrych]

Do not smack nonsense, it hurts I mean that you saw something. The main source is the President and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. There are shots of two Peresvets and two escort vehicles, which are shown deliberately illegible. Where is the control compartment and YSU - the question. In a separate car or not. The structure and fuel of a small-sized nuclear power device of high power is now the main world secret, comparable to the first atomic bomb. And it gives absolute superiority over the enemy. And who said that it is arranged according to the classical reactor scheme? Maybe it's a fusion plant. For heat exchangers. They can be like a "Rybka", with a coolant - liquid metal. There may be cryo-cooling, there may not be any need for cooling at all. In blogs, nuclear scientists argued that, according to rumors, the installation could, from a sleep mode, instantly switch to enormous power. And so on. And unlike you, those who know the real structure are protected, like the President Can walk with explosive collars

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

Maybe it's a fusion plant.

Can not.

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Can not.

LJ-ist said?

[The eye of the crying]

Physicists said.

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Physicists said.

Who exactly?

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Physicists said.

How is it?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Термоядерный_реактор_Lockheed_Martin
It's a free, democratic fusion Will you deny him too? Or take it on faith?

[The eye of the crying]

This reactor is not yet operational. And there is no reason to believe that it will ever work.

[hrych]

I will give an example with a thermo-nuclear or hydrogen bomb. For the first time, the Americans detonated a Teller device the size of a three-story building, and the Russians made a bomb, i.e. a real hydrogen bomb. And they outstripped ... not the Americans, but the entire Western world, the Germans, Swedes, British, etc. were plowing there. And as a result - TsarBomba, which has an error in exceeding the design capacity, as the most powerful American charge. Duc we were ashamed to vomit at full, detonated a half charge. Here too, the Americans conceived, and we did. The question is what? But the planet is already going. And this is last and foremost, defense. This is how a whole line of intercontinental torpedoes and cruise missiles, combat lasers, railguns and EMP guns appeared. And the materials of the reactor went to the fairings of hypersonic missiles, nuclear warheads, etc. Well, plasma space engines, having received a powerful source of energy, will go to combat satellites and not the American cartoon SDI, but the real, in the flesh - Russian SDI.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

I will give an example with a thermo-nuclear or hydrogen bomb.

You'd better read something about the current state of the art of thermonuclear fusion. There are practically no energy-efficient reactors, there are simply no power plants. And there are no even ways to solve problems in the coming years. ITER, which is not yet a powerhouse and never will be, is simply huge. There are no compact thermonuclear reactors, and there are no reliable ways to make them. Even Tri Alpha, the most promising startup employing some of the world's most renowned experts, does not promise a commercial reactor in the coming years. If you think that the Russian military-industrial complex was able to outrun the whole world for many years, you are crazy.

Quote: hrych

But the planet is already going.

Layout.

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

If you think that the Russian military-industrial complex was able to outrun the whole world for many years, you are crazy.

I just realized that for people like you, even by example and analogy, even on the head, it is useless. A direct analogy, and a close theme. There are weapons based on the principles of thermonuclear fusion, and here is a reactor. There, the Americans considered it impossible to create an aerial bomb, but we did. By the way, the first was the atomic bomb of the West, but the first nuclear power plant was Russian. The problem is not nuclear fusion, but the problem of cold fusion. Not the point. But the fact that ours have made a compact megawatt power source and rejecting nuclear fusion outright is counterproductive. In all respects ... the size-power here just smacks of nuclear fusion, where the radioactive fuel is an order of magnitude less than in conventional nuclear reactors. And to call him crazy ... is stupid, especially since humanity has come close to solving this problem. The question is who will be the first. Let it, to your displeasure, be us

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

I understand that for people like you, even by example and analogy, even on the head, it is useless

If you don't know, proof by analogy is fraudulent.

Quote: hrych

first nuclear power plant - Russian

The first nuclear power plant is American. This is even written about in the Russian Wikipedia. And to draw conclusions about modern Russia on the basis of the successes of the USSR 70 years ago is also a fraud.

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

The first nuclear power plant is American. This is even written about in the Russian Wikipedia.

The first nuclear power plant is Obninsk. Even the English Wikipedia knows about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obninsk_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Quote: Eye of the Crying

And to attribute to modern Russia the successes of the USSR 70 years ago

Rave. Soviet science flesh from flesh from the time of Tsar-Father. Without Lomonosov's Law of Conservation of Masses, Mendeleev's Periodic Law, and without Tsiolkovsky's space calculations, there would have been no breakthrough in Soviet science, but also in world science. Heavy elements are predicted before their detection by Mendeleev's Law. Or like the Soviet people fell from the moon? These are the same Russian people as under the tsar, the same under the general secretaries, the same under the President. You cannot prove the opposite to the Russians who are not related, even if you crack

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

The first nuclear power plant is Obninsk. Even the English Wikipedia knows about it

Electricity was generated by a nuclear reactor for the first time ever on September 3, 1948, at the X-10 Graphite Reactor in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, US which was the first nuclear power station to power a light bulb. [4] [5 ] [6] The second, rather larger experiment occurred on December 20, 1951, at the EBR-I experimental station near Arco, Idaho.

Quote: hrych

Soviet science flesh from flesh from the time of Tsar-Father.

Early Soviet - yes, I guess. But that was 80 years ago.

[hrych]

I read it myself. Light bulb energized And we powered the general electrical network of the Soviet Union.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Early Soviet - yes, I guess. But that was 80 years ago.

So what? Now, some over 80 are still alive. Ukraine has received both ocean slipways, space design bureau, and aviation Antonov with Motor Sich. Were you able to continue the civilizational foundation? Not. It all ended, not to mention the aviation industry in Georgia and Uzbekistan. And the Russian Federation is nothing, the Su-57 is rolling in, etc. This is called a civilizational successor. But Ukraine lacked something. It seems from the USSR, but the darling was not enough.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

Light bulb energized

Generated electricity.

Quote: hrych

But Ukraine lacked something.

It started with a compact thermonuclear reactor, and ended up being even worse in Ukraine. Predictable.

[hrych]

Generating electricity does not mean becoming a nuclear power plant. Like reproaching the Soviet past and belittling Russia like the norm, but how was this wild field touched, so offended?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

reproach the Soviet past

What are you talking about. Modern Russia had neither the ability nor the desire to repeat the great Soviet achievements, so there is nothing to reproach.

Quote: hrych

and how was this wild field touched, so offended?

You should be offended that the achievements of modern Russia seem to be something significant only against the background of the "wild field". And not to be offended at me.

[hrych]

Let's start with the fact that it is this nuclear power plant that is a breakthrough in science and technology. In particular, the prospect of the development of the solar system has appeared. And just very narrow-minded and engaged people are not able to understand and appreciate it. Quantum Radar or Radio Photonic Radar is a breakthrough in radar and we are innovators. The first Coronavirus vaccine is ours, and this is a global pandemic. Well, the first ones put hypersonic missiles on alert. This speaks of a high and unattainable for others, technological level in Rosatom (megawatt and compact nuclear power plant), Roskosmos (we are making a planetary spacecraft, and Musk and the Chinese repeat the achievements of Korolev), military-industrial complex (hypersound, intercontinental torpedoes and CR, weapons based on other physical principles) ... Therefore, I have nothing and no one to be offended at.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

Let's start with the fact that it is this nuclear power plant that is a breakthrough in science and technology.

To begin with, it doesn't exist yet. That's when it will be, then we'll talk.

Quote: hrych

The first vaccine against Coronavirus is ours

A dozen or two different vaccines have already been created in the world, and they are at about the same phase of testing as the Russian one. And how well the Russian vaccine works is unknown, because it has not yet passed the full test cycle (like others). Even if it works well, it will be one of several, or even many.

Quote: hrych

Well, the first ones put hypersonic missiles on alert

The X-15 was made in the USSR.

[hrych]

What to talk to you about? Moreover, I have already smeared your arguments Obvious things, the President voiced, is shown in the iron, the title of Hero is assigned and the order is hung on the chest. Peresvet has been on alert for two years. TWO YEARS. And you say nooo, nooo. Ignore you.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

The President voiced, it is shown in the iron, the titles of Hero are awarded and the orders are hanged on the chest.

Oh yes, good arguments.

Quote: hrych

Peresvet has been on alert for two years. TWO YEARS

And still no one knows what he can do.

Quote: hrych

Ignore you.

You have problems with reality.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Strangely enough, no. In 2019, at the Roscosmos Exhibition, a model of a nuclear tugboat was presented and ... Employees told that they were tested
1. Carbon sliding trusses,
2.high power ion engines
3. Radiators (heat, as I understand it, for cooling a nuclear installation) (space radiators)
4. Helium-xenon turbocharger
5. Assemblies on new nuclear fuel
6. Reactor vessel made. Dry reactor mass = 6 tons.
7. Special radiation-resistant monocrystalline units made of molybdenum materials.
Ps do not load me with physics and theoreticians, for which I bought and sold. Here is the link to the video:
https://youtu.be/0xssjbBYni8

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Strangely enough, no. In 2019, at the Roscosmos Exhibition, a model of a nuclear tugboat was presented and ... Employees told that they were tested
1. Carbon sliding trusses,
2.high power ion engines
3. Radiators (heat, as I understand it, for cooling a nuclear installation) (space radiators)
4. Helium-xenon turbocharger
5. Assemblies on new nuclear fuel
6. Reactor vessel made. Dry reactor mass = 6 tons.
7. Special radiation-resistant monocrystalline units made of molybdenum materials.
Ps do not load me with physics and theoreticians, for which I bought and sold. Here is the link to the video:
https://youtu.be/0xssjbBYni8

[timokhin-aa]

Do not talk nonsense, it hurts wassat I mean that you saw something.

I was not alone.

The main source is the President and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

It was he who told you that a torpedo with a diameter of 2 meters and a mass of 150 tons can be accelerated to 185 km / h using an engine with a power of much less than 1300 hp?

There are frames of two Peresvets and two escort vehicles, which are shown deliberately illegible.

Yes, but where is the mobile cooling tower? You can't confuse it with anything. There is steam, for example. The reactor needs to be cooled!

And who said that it is arranged according to the classical reactor scheme? Maybe it's a fusion plant.

Everything is clear with you, try not to miss the procedure, otherwise it will be as it is now.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Strangely enough, no. In 2019, at the Roscosmos Exhibition, a model of a nuclear tugboat was presented and ... Employees told that they were tested
1. Carbon sliding trusses,
2.high power ion engines
3. Radiators (heat, as I understand it, for cooling a nuclear installation) (space radiators)
4. Helium-xenon turbocharger
5. Assemblies on new nuclear fuel
6. Reactor vessel made. Dry reactor mass = 6 tons.
7. Special radiation-resistant monocrystalline units made of molybdenum materials.
Ps do not load me with physics and theoreticians, for which I bought and sold. Here is the link to the video:
https://youtu.be/0xssjbBYni8

[x.andvlad]

Probably there are no more problems and tasks in the country.
Today it was reported that the cities of Gegenzhik and Novorossiysk have been experiencing constant problems with water supply for 50 years due to the deterioration of the only water intake in these places. I have a crow. Maybe give money for this?

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Don't worry. No one lets money anywhere. The news is just to raise spirits and patriotic spirit.

[Zaurbek]

Water storage facilities have dried up there, as have all over the South. And in many places (Novorossiysk) water was brought in by tankers.

[Cyril G ...]

The problem with water in Novorossiysk is quite old ... In the 80s there were also interruptions ...

[Zaurbek]

There, it also depends on the region ... there are constant problems on the hills. In coastal cities with water supply and sewerage, there are no seams ... there are no sewage treatment plants, everything is piped into the Sea.

[Cyril G ...]

Well, I live 70 km from Novorossiysk. - on the bank of the Azov, there are no problems with water.

[Zaurbek]

There are plains ... and on the Black Mountain ... I live in Krasnodar myself.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Zaurbek

all along the pipe to the Sea.

Sochi solved the problem.
By the way, in the urban settlement Mezhdurechensk of the Syzran district, there are no treatment facilities, everything is in the Usu river, and then to the Volga.

[Lexus]

The main thing is that the toilet on the ISS works properly, otherwise the "partners" will be dissatisfied with the sewage services of "Raspilkosmos" and personally with the "Main sewer".

[Machito]

Another pearl from Rogozmos.

[Doctor]

Today it was reported that the cities of Gegenzhik and Novorossiysk have been experiencing constant problems with water supply for 50 years due to the deterioration of the only water intake in these places. I have a crow. Maybe give money for this?

Just don't tell Rogozin that. Otherwise he will put pumps with a nuclear reactor there.

[zwlad]

You shouldn't laugh about a nuclear reactor. If my memory serves me in Kazakhstan (under the USSR), a desalination plant was made on the basis of a nuclear reactor.

[Zaurbek]

And they wanted in Crimea ...

[zwlad]

In Soviet times, or are they already new projects? It would be nice if they put it. Many problems can be solved at once.

[Zaurbek]

In the USSR ... where the Bike Festival is held ...

[x.andvlad]

I just hinted at this. I heard that a nuclear reactor can be used for water desalination.

[Zaurbek]

Electricity.....

[Letun]

Quote: zwlad

You shouldn't laugh about a nuclear reactor. If my memory serves me in Kazakhstan (under the USSR), a desalination plant was made on the basis of a nuclear reactor.

Yes, to Aktau. Shevchenko was called then.

[7,62x54]

Vacationers from Moscow and St. Petersburg came in large numbers, wasted all the water. They got used to washing themselves there in the capitals 5 times a day from idleness.

[Zaurbek]

In fact .... in the design and construction of water supply and sewerage systems, they counted on a different number of people than now ....... especially in Gelendzhik, Kabardinka, Dzhubga, etc.
We are not concerned with the landfills yet.
So yeah ..... come in large numbers.

[7,62x54]

Recently Utrish was burned. They will probably start building soon.

[uhu189]

So they didn't just come in large numbers, they leave money there, on which people then live until the next season. Well, yes, they consume water, but what about without it?

[7,62x54]

The money ends up in the pockets of the snatchers who keep the hotel. Treasury receipts from this money are scanty, and the load on the infrastructure is colossal.

[Letun]

Quote: 7,62x54

Vacationers from Moscow and St. Petersburg came in large numbers, wasted all the water. They got used to washing themselves there in the capitals 5 times a day from idleness.

Yes, finally, to wash earlier than once in half a year is wildness!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Novorossiysk has been experiencing constant problems with water supply for 50 years due to the deterioration of the only water intake in these places. I have a crow. Maybe give money for this

Sewerage problems in the city should be solved by the local water utility and the local authorities and there is money for this, people pay for water and for water drainage, there are local taxes that go to the local budget, if desired and justified, you can also receive federal assistance.

But first, the local head of the water utility and the local administration needs to stop stealing, and space has nothing to do with it.

We will close space and lose an entire industry that will provide the future countries and people, we will get thousands of unemployed, and in your Novorossiysk, as they stole and will be stealing, local officials and bosses will not have sewage systems.

[Zaurbek]

The cost of these works on the plain and in the mountains is different. And here and in the plains areas there are a lot of problems with this. Funding for the capital and other cities is different and not even proportional to the population. Sochi was lucky with the Olympics. Funding started. There were also problems with electricity ... two CHP plants were built

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But first, the local head of the water utility and the local administration needs to stop stealing.

This is a common problem, which Roscosmos did not bypass, unfortunately ... https: //theins.ru/news/234823

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

and space has nothing to do with it.

And if we talk about the State Program, then very much even.
Local leaders will not be able to handle some of the long-standing problems, but there must also be demand from them.

[Vadim237]

"Today it was reported that the cities of Gelendzhik and Novorossiysk have been experiencing constant problems with water supply for 50 years due to the deterioration of the only water intake in these places." What the fuck is wear and tear - he's experiencing water supply problems from the heat in the region.

[vindigo]

In winter, nothing changes. Water is also on schedule.

[vindigo]

Before this rampant construction of human beings, we had water around the clock. And then it started.

[Bomb]

You can't squander the pilots like that, they voted for them for three days.

[da Vinci]

With sMerdyukov

[siberalt]

Rogozin will be closer to the Sun to fly for permanent residence. It will be warmer there.

[loki565]

This is a pretty interesting project, I hope everything will work out)))

[Vadim237]

Of course, it will turn out to be developed by Rosatom.

[Bomb]

He can't. He has a ticket to Mars.

[siberalt]

Plus 100500!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Zaurbek

Will Rogozin pilot?

Our Nassredin, light Rogozin! Even with proven launch vehicles, it no longer has projects, it is necessary to stir up something new, our new Chubais. I should have written that the tug would be built using nanotechnology!
And on a serious note, how is Rogozin going to lift this "breakthrough" tug into the launch orbit ?!
From the Earth, you must understand, he will not be able to start. after all, huh?

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Starover_Z

we need to stir up something new, our new "Chubais"

What is hee-hee? This is how Rusnano has been launching satellites for a long time ... they are just very small, into atomic orbits.

[Disant]

the nuclear tug into orbit will be lifted by a heavy hangar. To the launch orbit - perhaps in two touches. There it will be activated and turned on. Further, the payload will be docked to the stern - spacecraft and modules. Then a couple of months to accelerate around the Earth in a circular orbit.
What other proven carriers can you lift 25 tons at once?

[Civil]

Dear Editor!
Maybe it's better about the reactor, huh?
About your favorite moon tractor?
After all, it’s impossible! - year in a row
That scare plates -
Say, vile, fly,
Then your dogs bark
Then you have the ruins, on the contrary, they say!

[dauria]

Dear Editor!
Maybe it's better about the reactor, huh?

The editor should figure out the grammar. "docked payload tug first go to the moon.."

[astepanov]

I don't know who will fly, but this work began long before Rogozin.

Bloshenko explained that Roskosmos "will sign a contract for the creation of this complex by the end of the year. According to plans, in 2030 the nuclear space tug should go on a long flight to one of Jupiter's satellites.

Meanwhile, work on the creation of the facility was started in 2009, the planned completion date is 2018. The work employs a huge number of organizations, and in importance it surpasses any work on the creation of new chemical missiles, since it will allow in the future to master the solar system to its outskirts. It is not without reason that the President spoke about the creation of a tug at the same time as he mentioned the Burevestnik complex. Technically, the job is extremely difficult. Assembly of units and assemblies is now underway. Details and photos can be found at https://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic2167305.html. If we succeed, we will really bypass the Americans. God grant ...

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Zaurbek

Will Rogozin pilot?

If without laughter and jokes, then there really is such a project, KB Arsenal, if I don't confuse it, is creating it (a space tug with a nuclear reactor), recently I saw a video clip with a presentation and photos of the actual assembly of this product, as I understand it will be on the ground stand to be tested .... but the work that is already there is impressive, so let's see if it can work out.

[snake]

Rogozin, with his ryakha, it is better to launch somewhere under the water, explore the bottom, otherwise no fuel will be enough to raise such an overload into orbit.
But the news is great. In spite of all the scammers and maskophiles. Yesterday they were going to Venus, today to Jupiter, tomorrow to the Andromeda galaxy.
Space maps loaded into tablets! (C)

[Roman13579]

But the news is great. In spite of all the scammers and maskophiles. Yesterday to Venus gathered, today to Jupiter, tomorrow to the Andromeda galaxy.

In spite of all the scammers and maskophiles, you can also gather on Alpha-Centauri ..))
But Juno was launched almost 10 years ago ..

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: Zaurbek

Will Rogozin pilot?

Desirable. And he’s been fantasizing about something too much lately.

[Snail N9]

The main thing is to open funding, then cut the budget, then provide a couple of cartoons and mass-dimensional models ... and then close the project as it has lost its relevance. Just now, according to this scheme, they secretly shut down the project of the "Russian" Internet search engine "Sputnik", having spent more than a lard of rubles on it ... Russia - go ahead! So we will win!

[Vadim237]

The satellite was covered because no one was using it stupidly - and it was not particularly promoted.

[A. Privalov]

"I AM
our plans
I love a huge ... "(c)

[Alien From]

Yesterday to Venus, today to Jupiter ........ fantasy from Roscosmos in reality

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Quote: Alien From

Yesterday to Venus, today to Jupiter

Tomorrow to Plyuk. Give me intergalactic spaces! Rogozin twice!

[siberalt]

A tug to Jupiter? Original! Really, they found where to dispose of the Moscow landfills.

[Lexus]

Really, they found where to dispose of the Moscow landfills.

Oleg At the same time, satellites with asteroids can be "cut", "pulled apart" and "mastered".

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: Alien From

Yesterday to Venus, today to Jupiter

Flights to Sirius will be announced tomorrow

[Alien From]

As in that joke, Sirius no longer pour)

[Disant]

Yesterday to Venus, today to Jupiter

Well, if the trajectory for the additional gravitational acceleration of the tug between the planets will fall like this by 2030 - why not? To fly, for example, to Jupiter through Venus in six months, or in two years straight - is there a difference?

[Alien From]

There is a difference, there is no possibility.!

[U-Gin78]

The reactor is great, but how is he going to "row" there in an airless space?
As far as I understand, you need an ejection of something to create jet propulsion.
Or the release will only be money ...
I would be glad to be wrong!

[zwlad]

The ionic or plasma engine will most likely be screwed on.
But the working fluid will still have to be filled periodically.
It is not yet clear how this will be done in automatic mode.

[Oleg1263]

Already somewhere infa flashed that xenon would work. And the reactor on it will be several megawatts. And what will actually be - we'll see.

[Roman13579]

And what will actually be - we'll see.

We will not see anything .. because there will be nothing ...

[Vadim237]

It will be as Rosatom has been dealing with this project since 2010 and yes, the elements in the iron have already been made and tested, as well as the reactor cooling system in space.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Roman13579

We will not see anything .. because there will be nothing ...

you for sure! useless

[viralig]

Ionists will stand on it. And they don't need a lot of fuel. They were successfully tested in 2014. But the tug project itself is long-term construction. It was planned to be launched back in 2018. The current dates are 2022-2023.
So there is nothing new in this news, and even more so it is not Rogozin's merit. And yes, comrades - the program is already cut down. And your moaning is better to fix the faucet in the bathroom - about nothing. In other directions, and not such amounts are thrown into the wind, but you saw a figure with a large number of zeros and let's say that this does not warm you personally. Space has always been not cheap, in principle, like science. This is a groundwork for the future.

[Tamer]

Quote: viralig

And your moaning is better to fix the faucet in the bathroom - about nothing. In other directions, and not such amounts are thrown into the wind, but you saw a figure with a large number of zeros and let's say that this does not warm you personally. Space has always been not cheap, in principle, like science. This is a groundwork for the future.

It's better to think about the crane)) Hangars and Vostochny have already had enough

[viralig]

Well, yes, and allocate 13 billion to fix the "crane". And then at an accelerated pace to master this amount, oh excuse me to "repair" the crane.
The reality is that it's good that there are still people who are ready to engage in both science and space. I don't mean effective managers.
And the same space creates jobs. To assemble a rocket is the work of how many people?
And you propose - to bury space, science, navy, army. After all, they specifically do not benefit YOU - here and now. And to redirect them to the sphere where money is supposedly not enough and brings immediate benefits. So believe them there will be plundered even worse. They know how to bury them in the ground.

[Tamer]

Labels do not need to be hung about bury - benefit here and now - momentary blessings
One you know where they will be plundered and buried, and where not))
In the spirit of your reply, I will answer that it is more important for you that money is given for your toys-rattles space and you "plundered and instilled" them under the guise of achieving the highest good goals, and not Vasya ZhKKHshniy gave money, because in your opinion, he is in sewers will "drown", not that you - "send" them into space. Although both the "zhkhashnik" and the "cosmonaut" are fraudulent adventurers. And many critically assess the allocation of funds for such "megaprojects" based on the historical knowledge gained about the results of previous "megaprojects", and not on the desire for momentary benefits, yeah.

[Tamer]

* buried, not dripped

[viralig]

So I'm not saying that in the bureaucratic structures of Roskosmos there are no fans to warm their hands. I'm talking about the fact that you need to master space, in spite of everyday problems. Otherwise, this area will be lost forever. And the Chinese with amers will laugh, providing us with a "cheap" service for the delivery of astronauts to the Moon or Mars. Earth's resources, alas, are not endless.

[Blackmokona]

The current dates are 2030. Reread the news carefully

[Disant]

No need to hang labels

so you yourself started with this, having written, "enough for us hangars and east"!
I'm surprised at you !!!!
what is enough for you? stop stealing or building? steal and build at the same time? continue to steal and not build? build and not steal?
what do you want to serve?

[Far B]

In an interview with TASS Bloshenko explained

Rogozin is contagious. He seems to have bitten the flea already. Or he breathed heavily on it (if rogozin is transmitted by airborne droplets). Chort, how scary to live!

[zwlad]

That's what I understand the scope!
But as they say, by 2030, either a shah or a donkey ...

[iouris]

I stop responding to messages from this structure.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: iouris

I stop responding to messages from this structure.

SpaceX Twitter works for you without alternative.

[engineer74]

Today I want to be an optimist.
They want the ship "Seven feet keel!" And what to wish for the cosmic one?

[U-Gin78]

Seven keels per foot, or a little less)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: engineer74

And what can I wish for the cosmic one?

Seven feet below the surface of the earth to the Roscosmos leadership?

[pereselenec]

Quote: engineer74

They want the ship "Seven feet keel!" And what to wish for the cosmic one?

Seven Rogozin under the cut.

[Disant]

Seven Rogozin under the cut.

and your imported scow, which will only start sawing at NASA in ten to fifteen years, we wish the same.

[pereselenec]

Quote: Disant

and your imported scow, which will only start sawing at NASA in ten to fifteen years, we wish the same.

I did not understand your Noviopian dialect, sir.

[mark1]

Witty people according to Rogozin ... What's wrong? Don't you like the tug, or does Rogozin personally interfere with eating?

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

I don't like his idle talk.

[Rheinmetall]

The statements of this plump adventurer cause ... a slight disbelief.

[mark1]

And before that, you had universal trust. Rogozin came to the results of the activities of skinny predecessors (many live in the USA)

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Rheinmetall

The statements of this plump adventurer cause ... a slight disbelief.

How many kilotons of dollars are skimmed into the pockets of private traders with the blessing of NASA, and how are investors being sucked abroad for programs that have not yet been implemented does not bother you, but the fatness of a Russian official is suddenly so and yes? Is this your first time seeing a well-fed cook?

[dragy52rus]

so it's not Elon Musk who speaks out. change the name in the article and there will be only admiration.

[loki565]

Here the Maskophiles are indignant, they will minus you for the most, well, you understand)))

[Disant]

Witty people according to Rogozin ... What's wrong? Don't you like the tug, or does Rogozin personally interfere with eating?

And here Rogozin - the tugboat before him and without him was made for ten years. Of course, the Tug does not let your minus signers sleep - their heads are already cracking from misunderstanding - how did it happen?

[nikvic46]

And what are these overalls on the specialists? Or is it for the newspaper. When I was working people in nice overalls, albeit without pockets. Is this a specialist in such an outfit crawling through the pipes?

[pereselenec]

Roscosmos named the timing of the flight of the atomic space tug to Jupiter

On the way back from Venus to Jupiter?

[dragy52rus]

why the opposite? along the way.

[tanit]

About tug

work has been in progress since 2013.

[Livonetc]

The idea itself is very interesting.
However, these works, and the idea itself, were of little interest to the "masses".
The most razvlekuha is - "Rooozin leaked", the budget sawed off, the government was liberals, etc.
In general, as with all other projects in Russia.
Cartoons shout first! I drank! Leaked everything!
And in terms of implementation, as if nothing had happened.
Of course, breakthroughs in komos in Russia have not been enough lately.
The people were starving for the grandiose accomplishments of their homeland.
So they murmur.

[tanit]

Well yes. "Rogozin is bad. Rogozin is a shaman. Black shaman ..." (c)

In April 2013 S. Kiriyenko at a press conference "Tass" said that "Rosatom" and the Kurchatov Institute are working on the creation of megawatt-class engines.

In 2013, at the MAKS air show, the head of the Keldysh Center, Anatoly Koroteev, announced that the work on the creation of a nuclear power propulsion unit had moved to the stage of detailed design. Koroteev noted that the new development will be 20 times more effective than the missiles that were previously used.

On June 26, 2014, at the NIKIET conference, Yuri Dragunov announced that tests of the reactor control system of a nuclear power plant had been completed.

In December 2014, special pipes were manufactured from a molybdenum alloy (molybdenum, tungsten, tantalum, niobium), it is planned to use them for the working elements of the system and for the protection of the reactor facility.

On July 27, 2015, the NIKIE defended the technical design of the core - a key element of a nuclear reactor.

In 2015, fuel elements are being tested at the Institute of Reactor Materials in the city of Zarechny, Sverdlovsk Region and the Research Institute of Atomic Reactors in Dimitrovgrad.

November 11, 2015 Scientific Research and Design Institute of Power Engineering named after Dollezhal (part of the ROSATOM Group of Companies) has successfully completed technological tests of the nuclear reactor vessel of the installation for spacecraft.

On January 22, 2016, it became known that NIKIET had started testing a full-scale simulator of the reactor core basket. The simulator was created from a refractory molybdenum alloy; it successfully passed the test assembly at the Scientific Research Institute NPO "Luch" in 2015.

In March 2016, a pilot batch of fuel elements was accepted at the Mashinostroitelny Zavod (Machine Building Plant), an enterprise of the Rosatom Fuel Company TVEL (MSZ, Elektrostal).

In June 2017, in order to test the nuclear power plant at the Resurs complex under construction, the A.P. Aleksandrov NITI purchased the UDG-AT110 dosimetric installation for gamma radiation. A new model of a tugboat with a megawatt-class nuclear installation was presented in September at the MAKS-2019 exhibition. The R&D work carried out by KB "Arsenal" was named "Crew" (the project for the creation of TEM was completed in August 2018).

[Roman13579]

Cartoons shout first! I drank! Leaked everything!
And in terms of implementation, as if nothing had happened.

And where are those implementations ??)

[Zementbomber]

In 2009, in fact. And not "begun," but renewed Soviet ones, begun under Khrushchev.
For now:

On April 29, 2020, the RIA Novosti agency announced the suspension of the project and the termination of the agreement between Roscosmos and the Keldysh Center due to the unavailability of the test bench.

According to TASS, the next planned date for the first test launch of a space tug with nuclear power propulsion was announced - 2030.

[Disant]

and the executive director of Roscosmos said that 2030 is the year of the launch of the NUKLON SPACE COMPLEX not in a test flight, but already a COMPLETE flight with a payload along the route: Earth-Moon-Venus-Jupiter (without specifying the exact destination - most likely the orbit of one of the largest satellites of Jupiter).
it seems to me that the director of Roscosmos knows better where, who and when is on the way than TASS.
.
and NUCLON is not TEM.
I think there will be a lot of news in the near future.

[dragy52rus]

photoshop, this cannot be)))

[Kart]

They have one more mantra - this is all Soviet.
For whatever they may undertake - everything is Soviet. It's nonsense that there was only a sketch drawn on paper.

[dragy52rus]

so it is necessary, as in Ukran, to de-Sovietize everything that was done, worked out and conceived in the USSR and start from scratch. and people who were born in the USSR there. that life would begin.

[Ervin]

New plans and new deadlines for the implementation of plans from Roscosmos are always an event that pleases, I would even say laughs.

[Mishanya 74]

Well, things started with Dimka Rogozin. Yesterday Venus, today Jupiter ...
Elon Musk is quietly crying with envy in a corner

[Mountain shooter]

So that's why they tested ion engines at MAI, 50 kW each! These developments have been going on for a long time. A magawatt reactor was needed to operate in space. But everything is terribly classified there, there were only rumors ...
Such a tug could work on the lunar program only with plasma engines, such as SPT, they have higher thrust.

[Vadim237]

And how long will it fly there on ion engines - ten years?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vadim237

And how long will it fly there on ion engines - ten years?

Much faster than conventional chemical ... Thrust is small but constant. Therefore, in weeks and months, working engines will accelerate the ship to very high speeds. Let me remind you. Acceleration 100 times less than g (acceleration of free fall on Earth) acting for 100 seconds will accelerate the ship to 000 m / sec. And this is just a little less than 10000 hours. And if 30 hours? The resource of grids on ion engines is about 300 hours. And at the achieved speed of 5000 km / s 100 million km. The ship will fly by in ... Funny 40 days !!! It is clear that you need to not only accelerate, but also slow down. That is why we accelerate halfway and slow down halfway. All this will take weeks. Not years ...

[Maks1995]

This is already both funny and sad.
There is no reusable, sea launch, eastern and publicized Angara, but already announced to the Moon, and to Mars, and to Venus, now to Jupiter ...

The moon was promised by 2015, with expensive oil ...

To shoot crooks and thieves for a particularly large size, but alas, alas, their grandchildren are already aiming at the government ...

[Greyhound famously]

First to Venus (closer to the Sun than Earth) and then to Jupiter (further from the Sun than Earth)?
Maybe all the same Mars and Jupiter? Or are we not looking for easy ways and extra (at least) 40 million km there and then back is not a detour?

[Zementbomber]

Mars - has already been staked out by all and sundry. Up to the Indians and the Pirate Coast aka United Arab Emirates inclusive. On Mars, neither political-propaganda, nor even purely scientific PR and elementary resonance can be done in principle, if you do not aim at something less than the first permanent inhabited Martian base. And even then the Great Elon is already a real competitor. So shtA ...

[Greyhound famously]

What has it to do with "staking out", "political propaganda" and "swinging"? Or ELEMENTARY "logic" and "expediency" no longer interests anyone? If you already wanted to answer that this is so, then name the space missions that were carried out according to the same scheme - first to the Sun and then to the outskirts.

[Zementbomber]

Mission "VeGa" for example.
Well, yes - when making decisions on the implementation of large-scale scientific space programs - their political prestige, their propaganda effect, are one of the decisive (and sometimes - the main decisive - and even the only decisive, as in the Apollo program, the Apollo program - Venus "and in the Soviet lunar and Martian manned programs) factors. By itself, this is absolutely normal. Noit is normal when goal-setting degrades to the level of delusional fantasies - which, alas, we observe in Rogozin Sr. and his would-be team.

[dragy52rus]

Quote: Zementbomber

degrades to the level of delusional fantasies

can be more?

[Zementbomber]

Well, for example - to send a design bureau with a nuclear power propulsion system on the very first flight with the mission Moon - Venus - the vicinity of Jupiter.
Or - independently implement the Venera-D program.
Or - launch satellites from Sea Launch to SSO directly from Peter the Great Bay.
Or - with the financial, material and human resources of Russia - to develop simultaneously more types of launch vehicles than even NASA orders.
And the list not exhaustive...

[Andobor]

Quote: Zementbomber

even NASA

- your NASA to Roscosmos as to the Moon, or even Venus,
if it were not for the Rossiyushka, they would have jumped on a trampoline.
Loot they saw the master - no longer good for anything.

[Zementbomber]

Yes. Only in the opposite direction. Before such records in bottom penetration as "Ros [pseudo] space" and personally its tops - NASA did not and will never reach.
But you enjoy VirtReality, enjoy. You can still ...

[Andobor]

Quote: Zementbomber

But you enjoy VirtReality, enjoy. You can still

So yes, - Don't jump, NASA has hopelessly lagged behind Russia, so new projects open without fear. Maidans to arrange the lot of the Americans, but there they have already pissed away everything.

[Zementbomber]

You have a cool space-pron! Throw off the link - where it is made and sold and the contacts of the drag dealer who sells you such a cool herb for the thrill. I'll even pay you for that. And not in rubles - the normal money of a white man.

[Andobor]

Quote: Zementbomber

- the normal money of a white person.

take this money for yourself, your white people are kissing blacks' feet, a complete degradation, - they pissed away everything, and in space, they can only print and cut money, - they are not capable of anything else, and you worship them - if the soul is slave.

[Zementbomber]

Said the yard-terrier pug, the [pseudo] space corporation of the country - whose place of residence - cannot even repeat the Soviet achievements of 50 years ago (!!) and the capital of the country whose place of residence is controlled by a handful of Vainakhs - about the Great Elephant. Proceed with powerlessness, proceed - this is all that remains for you and everyone like you.

[Andobor]

Quote: Zementbomber

Only in the opposite direction. Before such records in bottom penetration as "Ros [pseudo] space"

Are you by any chance a horse?
- Dumb creatures are stupid and poor, they love to lick a fart of crap Americans for the State Department's five cents.

[Zementbomber]

No - I not Russian. But I know them quite well - and I agree that your description of them is quite close to reality and very colorful.

[Greyhound famously]

In the Vega mission, there is LOGIC for such a vector of motion, namely, the need to approach Halley's comet at a certain course and speed. Moreover, I agree, for example, that for testing the so-called "space sail" it would be "more expedient" to send such an apparatus first closer to the Sun. And what is the LOGIC of flight to Jupiter through Venus?

[dragy52rus]

Quote: Grizzled Dashing

And what is the LOGIC of flight to Jupiter through Venus?

based on the position of the planets.

[Greyhound famously]

And in what case is the trajectory between Earth and Jupiter closer if it passes through Venus?

[dragy52rus]

you really do not understand such elementary things? open the animation of the rotation of the planets in the circle of the sun and watch. Amazing discoveries await you on how the planets may be located in different years. after enlightenment, read about gravity assist and realize that flight can be even more bizarre?

[Greyhound famously]

So in what case is the trajectory between Earth and Jupiter closer if it passes through Venus?

[dragy52rus]

did you do what i wrote above? otherwise my explanation will not be understood by you again.
roughly: Mars can find BEYOND the earth, and Venus-Jupiter BEFORE the Earth and flying to Venus, it is more economical from the point of view of fuel to fly to Jupiter than to fly to Mars, and then return towards Jupiter.

[Greyhound famously]

Did you read that commentary where it is assumed that you did not attend school at all?
Then search the Internet for what a "launch window" is in relation to space flights and what is it for.

[dragy52rus]

your attempt to change shoes in the air failed.
the launch window will be favorable for the Venus-Jupiter flight, and Mars will be far away and in the wrong direction. you still need to fly through Mars, maybe in the picture it is closer to Jupiter?

[Greyhound famously]

No. It is necessary, if you really need to go to Jupiter through Mars, then you need to wait for a suitable "window" with a good relative position of the Earth, Mars and Jupiter.
and it will be once a "... tsat" closer than the version Earth-Venus-Jupiter that you advocate with foam at your mouth (even if these planets are in a good position)

[Zementbomber]

The fact is that since an interplanetary design bureau based on a nuclear power propulsion system has incomparably fewer energy constraints than a non-nuclear electric rocket engine, and even more so a rocket engine, according to the criterion "resource cost - efficiency", it is more profitable to combine several loosely coupled scientific programs into one mission, even neglecting energy.

[Greyhound famously]

There is partial logic in this if we were talking about a flight to Saturn through Jupiter or Mars. But in the case of Jupiter via Venus, this looks doubtful.

[Zementbomber]

Here it is necessary to look at the specific impulse of a specific nuclear power plant, the reserves of the working fluid and the service life of the AZ of the nuclear reactor of a specific interplanar design bureau.
Without this information, everything will be GnKG level 80. But the fact that theoretically, under certain conditions, such an option may be appropriate - IMHO, an undoubted fact.

[Ervin]

Planets and space objects - you can "poke" directly from the Earth. Well, they will fly there to Mars, well, they will sit there - and we will declare that this is our territory! And we all live on Earth and we will understand the same here. And no one will get into a dispute because it is fraught. So we will conquer the Cosmos. Only here it is impossible to extract Helium-3 on the Moon and transport it to Earth. Well, it is not needed yet, as long as there is oil and gas.

[Greyhound famously]

Leave your fantasies and study the "Treaty on the Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies" signed back in 1967.

[dragy52rus]

Are you from a generation that did not study astronomy at school? the earth is not flat, but together with other planets revolves around the sun. moreover, the planets rotate in their orbits and they are different. moreover, the distance between the planets is also not constant and the planets can be on different sides from the sun. and there may be such an incredible event that it is easier to fly from Venus to Jupiter than from Mars.

[Greyhound famously]

you apparently did not study at school at all and do not know that for each mission a "launch window" is selected when the planets are at a minimum distance from each other. But especially for you, I will repeat the second part of the question from the commentary above, namely ... name the space missions that were carried out according to the same scheme - first to the Sun and then to the outskirts.

[dragy52rus]

Quote: Grizzly Dashing

you apparently did not study at school at all and do not know that for each mission a "launch window" is selected when the planets are at a minimum distance from each other.

what is the basis for this deepest conclusion? you exactly answered my post?

Quote: Grizzly Dashing

Name the space missions that were carried out according to the same scheme - first to the Sun and then to the outskirts.

voyagers. trajectories go to the sun, and not immediately to the outskirts of the solar system.

[Greyhound famously]

And to the orbit of which planet did the Voyagers approach the Sun? Venus? Mercury?

[dragy52rus]

you already decide or a cross or a hat. the question was "to the Sun and then to the outskirts." I wrote. where does the planet?
what does the flight to Venus, and then Jupiter, contradict? suggest where else it will be possible to fly after Venus, when the tractor will do everything that is planned and why?

[Greyhound famously]

Flying in space is not a trip to the country. It is on Earth that you, by a call from a friend, can make a couple of tens of kilometers a hook to buy / give him food and refuel somewhere along the way, which will cost several hundred rubles. And in Space, if you fly to Venus, then this is at least 40 million km and the device is built on this resource and each kilogram of it costs tens of thousands of dollars. And if you fly to Jupiter, then you build an apparatus for flying to Jupiter and not to Jupiter via Venus. And not a kilogram more.

[dragy52rus]

you really do not understand such elementary things? open the animation of the rotation of the planets in the circle of the sun and watch. Amazing discoveries await you on how the planets may be located in different years. after enlightenment, read about gravity assist and realize that flying can be even more bizarre.

[Greyhound famously]

And in what case is the trajectory between Earth and Jupiter closer if it passes through Venus?

[Roman13579]

For example, in the case when Jupiter is at 9 o'clock and the Earth is at 3 o'clock ..
Then it is closer to fly through the center - towards the Sun .. You can also get additional acceleration ..

[Greyhound famously]

Have you ever heard about the "launch window"? So what's the point of flying diagonally if you can directly?

[Roman13579]

We fly to Venus, and further to Jupiter (where I transferred it)
In this case, we get acceleration from both Venus and the Sun.
Moving to the crossed out Jupiter, though closer .. but not the fact that it is easier ..
Any rocket takes off from the Earth along a tangential trajectory, and not stupidly up ..
The same scheme with separation from the Sun.
Shl .. schematic diagram from the bulldozer .. just for understanding ..

[Greyhound famously]

now yourself and compare the distance between the Earth and the crossed out and then not crossed out Jupiter. Then answer who is it (the option via Venus) you need?

[Roman13579]

Why compare ??)
I already answered above ..

Shl .. schematic diagram from the bulldozer .. just for understanding ..

There is no scale !!
In fact, even min. distance to Jupiter 600 mln. km .. Many times more than before Venus .. So, if Venus is 40 million. km, then the "hook" in reality turns out to be scanty ..

Well and further:

In this case, we get acceleration from both Venus and the Sun.
Moving to the crossed out Jupiter, though closer .. but not the fact that it is easier ..
Any rocket takes off from the Earth along a tangential trajectory, and not stupidly up ..
The same scheme with separation from the Sun.

I emphasize once again that any rocket leaves the Earth in an arc ..
To fly directly to Jupiter against the Sun is more expensive for yourself ..
The ship is primarily held by solar gravity.

[Greyhound famously]

Found out. For you, flying to Jupiter through Venus is something logical. There is nothing more to argue about.

[Roman13579]

I also think that there is nothing to argue about ..))

Gravity maneuvers
Many interplanetary missions with modern technical capabilities are simply not feasible without resorting to exotic navigation techniques. The fact is that the speed of the outflow of the working fluid from chemical rocket engines is about 3 km / s. At the same time, according to the Tsiolkovsky formula, every 3 km / s of additional acceleration triples the launch mass of the space system. To travel from a low near-earth orbit (speed 8 km / s) to Mars along the Homan trajectory, it is necessary to gain about 3,5 km / s, to Jupiter - 6 km / s, to Pluto - 8-9 km / s. It turns out that the payload when flying to distant planets is only a few percent of the mass launched into orbit, and that, in turn, is only a few percent of the launch mass of the rocket. This is why the 700-kilogram Voyager was launched towards Jupiter by a 600-ton Titan IIIE rocket. And if the goal is to enter orbit around the planet, then it becomes necessary to take with you a supply of fuel for braking, and the starting mass increases even more.

But ballistics do not give up - to save fuel, they adapted the very gravity, to overcome which at the start a significant part of the energy is spent. Gravitational, or in professional language, perturbation maneuvers practically do not require fuel consumption. All that is needed is the presence of a celestial body near the flight path, which has a sufficiently strong gravity and a position suitable for mission purposes. Approaching a celestial body, the spacecraft under the influence of its gravitational field is accelerated or slowed down.

Here the attentive reader may notice that the apparatus, having been accelerated by the planet's gravity, is decelerated by it after approaching the celestial body and that as a result there will be no acceleration. Indeed, the speed relative to the planet used as a "gravitational sling" will not change in absolute value. But she will change direction! And in a heliocentric (associated with the Sun) frame of reference, it turns out that the speed changes not only in direction, but also in magnitude, since it consists of the speed of the apparatus relative to the planet and, at least partially, the speed of the planet itself relative to the Sun. In this way, the kinetic energy of the interplanetary station can be changed without fuel consumption. When flying to distant, outer planets of the solar system, gravity assist is used for acceleration, and during missions to inner planets, on the contrary, to damp the heliocentric velocity.

And one moment!!

Of course, to perform gravity assist maneuvers, the launch date must be very accurate. Ballisticians use the concept of "launch window" - this is the date interval within which the effectiveness of the planned gravity assist maneuvers is maximized.

Lest you think that the "launch window" is when the planet is closest to Earth ..

[Greyhound famously]

There was no thought that the launch window is when the planet is closest. The thought was that for you a flight to Jupiter through Venus is something logical.

[Roman13579]

There was no thought that the launch window is when the planet is closest.

Have you ever heard about the "launch window"? So what meaning to fly diagonally if possible directly?

As you can see, these were the thoughts ..))

But now, on the other hand, we know that it is easier and cheaper to fly to the Sun than from the Sun .. and you can get a good acceleration for free ..
And when Venus meets on the way, we change the direction due to it .. and voila ..

Here the attentive reader may notice that the apparatus, having been accelerated by the planet's gravity, is decelerated by it after approaching the celestial body and that as a result there will be no acceleration. Indeed, the speed relative to the planet used as a "gravitational sling" will not change in absolute value. But she will change direction! And in a heliocentric (associated with the Sun) frame of reference, it turns out that the speed changes not only in direction, but also in magnitude, since it consists of the speed of the apparatus relative to the planet and, at least partially, the speed of the planet itself relative to the Sun. In this way, the kinetic energy of the interplanetary station can be changed without fuel consumption.

And, I repeat - there may be a "hook" there - like from Rostov to St. Petersburg through Moscow .. even though it’s directly closer .. but then “Moscow” will give such a kick later .. Not to mention two goals at once !!

[Greyhound famously]

You read my thoughts - good. You don't hide yours - through Venus to Jupiter faster than anything else. Everyone heard you.

[uhu189]

It all depends on the location of the planets relative to each other. They also move along different trajectories and it may well be that flying to Jupiter through Venus will be faster (if the gravity of Venus is used for acceleration in a gravitational maneuver) than directly to Jupiter

[Greyhound famously]

Flight from Earth to Venus 110 - 150 days. Round trip 220 - 300 days.
The flight from Earth to Jupiter is 400 - 420 days.
Those. do you need to spend 300 days to the orbit of Venus and back, in order to fly in 100 days that fly by in 400 (and this is just in order to stay "in zero")?

[dragy52rus]

you really do not understand such elementary things? open the animation of the rotation of the planets in the circle of the sun and watch. Amazing discoveries await you on how the planets may be located in different years. after enlightenment, read about gravity assist and realize that flying can be even more bizarre.
where did you get the idea that you need to fly back, and not forward?
I will reveal a terrible secret that the flight to the same planet in time can differ several times. and the Earth-Venus-Jupiter flight may be faster than the Earth-Mars.

[Greyhound famously]

Did you read that commentary where it is assumed that you did not attend school at all?
Then search the Internet for what a "launch window" is in relation to space flights and what is it for.

[dragy52rus]

your attempt to change shoes in the air and go personal failed. come up with something else new.

[Greyhound famously]

Found out. For you, flying to Jupiter through Venus is something logical. There is nothing more to argue about.

[dragy52rus]

your mistake is that the planets are not stationary objects, like settlements on Earth. the planets move and are constantly at different distances from each other, and move at different speeds, which entails a different position relative to each other.

[Greyhound famously]

Once again - the "launch window"

[dragy52rus]

and? will it be in 20 years, wait and not fly? or through a window to Venus and pushing from Venus to Jupiter in 10 years, but saving on fuel and flight time?

[Greyhound famously]

Found out. For you, flying to Jupiter through Venus is something logical. There is nothing more to argue about.

[uhu189]

Watch an animated model of the solar system. There are times when a flight in the direction of Jupiter from Earth will take place in the immediate vicinity of Venus, and there is nothing strange that a tug would put satellites into its orbit. You can see for yourself at the link https://spacegid.com/3d-model-solnechnoy-sistemyi.html

[Greyhound famously]

The same as the previous author - look for what the "launch window" is and you will understand that there is no point in flying through Venus if you can simply launch the device a couple of months later.
And to catch up ... 7 devices were already at Jupiter and not one for some reason did not fly through Venus. Why would that be?

[uhu189]

I know what a launch window is, but even for the economy mode, how to organize 2 separate launches to Jupiter and Venus, it is logical to launch one device and take the opportunity to deliver the devices to 2 points at once without losing time and money. Even at this level, there is a sense. And about 7 vehicles - they were not transported by tug, but flew to the final point themselves. Right there, in essence, a tug is a transport that delivers lighter vehicles to end points (to Venus and the moons of Jupiter). Again - savings both on vehicles and at starts.

[Greyhound famously]

7 devices were at Jupiter, but not one "for the sake of economy" did not think of sending through Venus. That's after all (in your words) stupid people. Indeed, after leaving the Earth's gravitational field, the steps responsible for acceleration are fired off and the engines of the apparatus still work mainly in the mode of maneuvering and not acceleration.

[dragy52rus]

and never a single device flew through several planets, but all flew directly?

[Greyhound famously]

Found out. For you, flying to Jupiter through Venus is something logical. There is nothing more to argue about.

[dragy52rus]

the drain is accepted. is it really so difficult to admit that you are wrong?

Quote: Grizzled Dashing

for you, a flight to Jupiter through Venus is something logical

this is not only for me, it is also logical for those who launch spacecraft. what they do periodically.

[Greyhound famously]

The logic of those who send spacecraft: to Jupiter-7 of them through Venus-0.
But that was long ago and not true. And you are a new generation and you understand everything.

[uhu189]

Well, in fact, you are wrong, the same Cassini probe, flying to Saturn and Titan, flew twice next to Venus, then again next to the Earth, and then also next to Jupiter. Many spacecraft use the gravity of the planets to gain additional acceleration. They just were not tugs and did not drop additional vehicles from their mass.

[Greyhound famously]

Cassini flew to Jupiter from October 1997 to December 2000 i.e. almost 3 years (36 months). while the "New Horizons" directly traveled from Earth to Jupiter for 13 months.
Directly very clearly confirms that through Venus faster than directly, I believe, I will not say a word against. Just calm down already.

[uhu189]

I realized that the obvious things are not at all obvious to you. New Horizons flew to Pluto, and near Jupiter made a gravitational maneuver. He did not study Jupiter and its moons, but rushed past him at very high speed. The spacecraft that enters the orbits of Jupiter's satellites should move differently and have a speed lower than that of New Horizons. For this, gravity assist maneuvers are calculated and the most optimal launch option and flight trajectory are determined. The fact that this seems illogical to you is already understood by everyone.

[Greyhound famously]

Of course, of course ... it's obvious to everyone that flying 3 years is faster than 13 months. Therefore, you are sure that through Venus to Jupiter faster than directly. Well, what else is there to argue about ...

[dragy52rus]

and never a single device flew through several planets, but all flew directly?

[Greyhound famously]

Yes, yes, you are for flying to Jupiter through Venus. Everyone understood everything. Take it easy.

[dragy52rus]

and yet, do the vehicles fly through other planets or only in a straight line? ashamed to admit that you are wrong?

[Greyhound famously]

they fly, they fly, but SEQUENTLY (Earth - Mars - Jupiter) and not flying back (Earth - Venus - Jupiter in the expediency of which you are convincing everyone here) in order to then fly forward. But since for you to get from Moscow to St. Petersburg closer through Krasnodar, then so be it. I wish you every success, I do not interfere and do not argue because you are right at least for yourself in your own mind, and this is more than enough for you. And I just want to move away from you and what you believe in.

[Disant]

uhu189, great link ... judging by it, if the launch year is 2030, then it is January-February

[Roman13579]

Igor .. don't slow down ..))
The distance from Venus to Earth varies from 38 to 261 million km
The average distance from Earth to Jupiter is 778 million kilometers
So, first of all, you can fly to Venus in different ways .. with a difference of almost 10 times ..
Secondly, it takes 3 to 20 times to fly to Jupiter .. It depends on how the planets are located ..

[Greyhound famously]

Those. do you think it is logical to fly to Jupiter through Venus?

[Roman13579]

I admit it is possible .. Venus is not far away anyway ..

WHY ARE THE FLIGHT TRAJECTORIES OF INTERPLANETARY PROBES INDIRECT?

http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/quiz/297401/

[Greyhound famously]

Found out. For you, flying to Jupiter through Venus is something logical. There is nothing more to argue about.

[rocket757]

Well, I really don't want to, Schaub on our .... talkers, you can hang the same label as on British scientists !!! But, they themselves, themselves ...

[dgonni]

Another project :(

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Has Roskosmos already implemented its previous plans to conquer space?

[Zementbomber]

Immortal is immediately remembered:
And on the streets - all couriers, couriers! Five thousand one courier !! "(c)

[Van 16]

I'll correct it a little, in the original - thirty-five thousand couriers))
And so yes, the Inspector is an eternal book.

[Ilya098]

This tugboat is already being built.

[Kart]

That's it.
But they will shout here about Rogozin, Roskosmos and bad government. The closer to realization, the louder and more violent.

[Zementbomber]

The project was suspended, the contract with the main contractor was terminated. This was reported by the "Voice of Kiseleva-Simonyan", and not by some "liberooppa". But a regular patriot did not notice this ...

[Kart]

The article is just about the opposite.
But the regular skakuas did not notice this.

[Zementbomber]

The "regular skakuas" - in contrast to the information infantryman traditionally thrown into battle by an absolutely untrained and unprepared information infantryman - served for more than one year as the last official in positions. And he understands the difference between a documentary fact and "mriy" (even declared by "BalSa Nachainika").

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Zementbomber

The "regular skakuas" - in contrast to the information infantryman traditionally thrown into battle by an absolutely untrained and unprepared information infantryman - served for more than one year as the last official in positions.

And why were you, if not a secret, so sharply demoted to an ordinary info-fighter? ... or was the bureaucratic position such that it was on the contrary - a promotion?

[Zementbomber]

Just left for a good-fat retirement and having fun purely Just for Lulz.

[g1washntwn]

The difference between "building" and "spending funds for construction" is understood here. So be careful with jokes, otherwise your "lulz" slipped into bots (not those that are shoes, but those that are from foreign centers of "counterpropaganda"). You have to joke Just 4 Truth

[Zementbomber]

"counterpropaganda "- it was in the USSR and is in the Russian Federation. Due to the organic inability to advance on the propaganda front since the days after Khrushchev. In" foreign "foreign" centers "- everything is in order with this (unlike ...) Therefore, they have “propaganda.” Attacking, without the prefix “counter-”, dooming to defeat, as France was doomed to him by the “Maginot Line” in 1940.

[g1washntwn]

Why in the West they name their information centers with the prefix "counter-" questions are not for me. They seem to be catching our hackers, but various Russia Today are trying to shut them up. It's not enough for me to believe. From my router with enviable constancy I send logs and applications for the block to the provider, because from botnet networks they are already hammering in packets without hiding their tolerant intentions.

[Zementbomber]

"in the West, they call their information centers with the prefix" counter- "- only in Russian Parallel Reality. In Real Reality," centers in the "West" are simply called IC, CIO or CIPSO. In the United States - by tradition in the dep. the case is just CPSO. Without any "prefixes" counter- ". This issue has been studied there for a very long time. And the conclusion is that"conrpropaganda "- the sure way to defeat - was made and became generally recognized strongly until 1985. And only on the" former "1/6 of the land" are they still confused in the substandard zanaphthalene fabricated product from Comrade. Andropov.

[g1washntwn]

In Russian, the action from the opposite just goes with such a prefix (there is still a time when it does not stick to the noun “propaganda”). If your google can translate from English "center engaged in propaganda to counter hostile propaganda" somehow differently, then I'm waiting.

[Zementbomber]

The problem of literal translation taken out of context. Why the program cannot replace a live translator - moreover, with special knowledge in the field of the subject of translation.
Google-translator - does not understand the difference between what in Russian is called "counter strike" and "counter strike". And the translation of the term "counter-parallel strike", correct in meaning, is unknown to him in principle.
Here are exactly these nuances.

[Roman13579]

The closer to implementation

And how close are we already ??)

[ultra]

Do you even imagine the complexity of the tasks of creating such an apparatus? The Americans had a similar program which they failed, and this was with their funding and despite the fact that we passed on to them the developments on Topaz.

[Roman13579]

I just imagine .. In 45, shoot cannonballs .. in 16 years a person will be launched into space .. and after 8 more - to ride on the moon ..
Well, if you work like Rogozin, then, of course, the task becomes even more difficult .. it’s an overwhelming burden ..))
That is why he asked - how close are they? Because, you can talk about difficulties even after 50 years ..

[dragy52rus]

I'm wondering, but the one who slapped the minus, how did he motivate his act? did not believe in the authenticity of the photo?

[slipped]

Quote: dragy52rus

I'm wondering, but the one who slapped the minus, how did he motivate his act? did not believe in the authenticity of the photo?

Photos are real, just the commentators here are toy. In the photo, work is underway on a demonstrator tug to deliver satellites to the GSO.

[Zementbomber]

On April 29, RIA Novosti announced the suspension of the project and the termination of the agreement between Roscosmos and the Keldysh Center due to the unavailability of the test bench.

[g1washntwn]

Termination does not mean "at all", it can mean "until the bench and test base is ready".

[Zementbomber]

Yes, Cap Evidence!

[Kart]

Expectedly in the discussion, the fighters against the regime had an eruption.
Mantras are poured in bundles.

[Zementbomber]

See answer above E.

[Kart]

I did not ask your questions.
With you, everything is clear. What questions?

[Zementbomber]

With you too. Even more (clearly) - than "with us".

[Kart]

What is clear, "a manager with a fat pension"?
Greetings from the Emperor of Japan.

[Zementbomber]

Everything is clear with you all. infoIhot "meat level".
And finally study the form in which the Divine Tenno expresses its favor.

[Ilya098]

CREAT DYKTATORr turned off your internet? Rogozin said in a recent interview that work is ongoing. This one is even written in Wikipedia.

[Zementbomber]

Only Trump can turn off the Internet for me.
How the "work continues" with the terminated R&D Agreement with the Lead Contractor - you can't tell, can you?
I am sure everyone will be interested here!

[Ilya098]

1) No one canceled the contract with KB Arsenal, which is being assembled. The RIA Novosti article only mentioned the Keldysh center. (Https://ria.ru/20200429/1570715552.html). Even the photo that I immediately attached to the comment has the KB Arsenal logo.

Quote: Ilya098

2) At the time of termination of the contract, it was planned to continue work within the framework of another ROC ()

The TEM theme will be continued this year in the framework of another ROC, "the news agency quotes a representative of the press service of Roscosmos.

Quote: https://rg.ru/2020/04/29/roskosmos-prodolzhit-sozdanie-kosmicheskogo-buksira-s-iadernym-dvigatelem.html
In total, with KB Arsenal, it worked and works (builds and tests a tug), and the Keldysh center in April completed all the work, except for the creation of the stand (which is why the contract was terminated) and will soon continue to work.

The contract for the preliminary design of the Nuclon space complex will be concluded by the end of this year.

.
You must read carefully

[Zementbomber]

OK - you convinced me!

[Kart]

Oh, one was convinced.
How many of you are still raging here.

[Zementbomber]

It is enough that you can never handle us even here. Not to mention the IRL.

[Mityay65]

There is a channel on YouTube ... He has been covering the program with only open sources for a year and a half.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Zementbomber

Only Trump can turn off the Internet for me.

Stirlitz thought what betrays a Russian intelligence officer in him: pronunciation? gait? parachute? .... no, no ... exactly - pronunciation!

[Zementbomber]

I was counting on just such a reaction. Revealing the character and level of the enemy.
In Real Reality, however, everything is extremely simple: the specifics of the PAS, TCS and the commercial conditions of access to the World Wide Web, which I have, ensure that the Internet is available to me in peacetime in all cases, except for such incredible cases when the United States, as a "country is the final (more correctly - the "original") Web holder "- will decide to block it on a global scale.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Zementbomber

The United States, as "the country - the ultimate (more correctly -" original ") holder of the Web" - will decide to block it on a global scale

The United States is not the owner or holder, but the addressing authority. They can screw up the DNS, but now all scientists and have a reserve, inside the same China or the Russian Federation everything will work. There will be difficulties with external addressing, and even then temporarily, as a result, it will turn out that the United States will lock itself in a prison digital camera. It's like spoiling the air in an elevator so that others feel worse, everyone will come out and the "hero of the occasion" in the elevator will be blocked.

[Zementbomber]

All global communication between computers goes through 13 root servers in DNS.
Ten root servers are localized in the USA, where the Internet historically originated, the rest - one each in the Netherlands, Sweden and Japan.
The main root server that hosts the original copy of the DNS was directly administered by an authorized agency of the United States Government until September 2016. Now - the ICANN subsidiary is responsible for it. ICANN itself, after the expiration of its contract with the United States Department of Commerce, became a private organization headquartered in California. It is chaired by a Board of 20 experts from all global regions of the World, but they have state legal and administrative jurisdiction over it. only. the federal government of the United States and the government of California.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Zementbomber

All global communication between computers goes through 13 root servers in DNS.

I see something like copy-paste, no arguments. Do you understand what I was talking about? Or are you just "working out"? If the latter, then of course I am retiring to argue with at least Yandex Alice.

[Zementbomber]

Did you yourself understand the technical, legal and political meaning of what I have stated?

[Kart]

The experience of many years of leadership is felt.
I recognize a teenager by graceful words and copy-paste speed.

[Zementbomber]

Yes, I understand that almost everyone is inclined to see the same around them. And the more he is a subject of a low intellectual and social level, the more he is inclined to this.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Zementbomber

I was counting on just such a reaction.

Until, until ... by all means After screwing up, we always start looking for excuses

[Zementbomber]

You were not taught that "info-infantryman - must be able to lose!"? (C) (paraphrase; in the original it was - "scout")

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Zementbomber

You were not taught that "an info-infantryman should be able to lose too!"

I'm not an infantry at all, but a partisan. And with Trump, find the phrase "Russians do not give up" on Google.

[Zementbomber]

"We have with Trump" - there are statistics of Russian prisoners of war on wars. And the statistics of the Russians who went over to the side of their formal enemy (including those who enlisted in the Armed Forces of this enemy) - too. Moreover, starting from the time of the Mother of the Fatherland, the Sovereign of the Ruling Empress Catherine II the Great and up to our War in the South-East, which has been going on since 2014 to the present, inclusive.

[BAI]

According to plans, in 2030

Another excuse for disrupting the timing of the construction of the cosmodrome and launches into a near-earth orbit - all the forces went to Jupiter, there were not enough forces for near space. And in 10 years these promises in Roskosmos will no longer exist. New ones will come who will say that this is the wrong project and that we must start from scratch all over again.

[slipped]

Quote: BAI

Another excuse for disrupting the construction of the cosmodrome

The cosmodrome is being successfully built.

Quote: BAI

and launches into near-earth orbit

22 spacecraft are flying this month.

[Kart]

Local maskophiles - leaders with many years of experience from this can boil the brain, and explode the opposite organ.
You can't write that for them, you need to be careful.

[slipped]

Quote: Carte

You can't write that for them, you need to be careful.

Well, for them, a specially recent tour of the cosmodrome 360gr.

[Zementbomber]

Do you mean that the "maskophiles" - having familiarized themselves with how catastrophic the real situation of the Russian cosmonautics is - can be so happy that they will suffer damage to their health from this ??

[ultra]

The news is unambiguous with a + sign. Another thing is how the implementation will be.

[moreman78]

Now Venus, then Jupiter, then the Moon! I immediately remembered the anecdote:

The Minister of Agriculture comes to Mikhail Gorbachev.
- Mikhail Sergeevich, the trouble is, chickens are dying in the country.
- It's okay, draw a yellow circle in front of each chicken.
The minister shrugged his shoulders and left. Two weeks later comes:
- Mikhail Sergeyevich, they are dying anyway.
- Write a green square in the yellow circle.
He shrugged his shoulders and left. Comes in a week:
- Mikhail Sergeevich, they are dying, very little is left.
- Write a red triangle in the green square A month passes,
Gorbachev meets the Minister and asks, why don't you go
how are the chickens?
- Yes, you know, Mikhail Sergeevich, everyone is dead.
- Oh, what a pity, I still have so many ideas!

[yfast]

Let the satellite of Jupiter capture at the same time on the way back. And the moon and Rogozin will be around us.

[strelokmira]

And it will be refueled from the lunar base built in 2015, with helium 3, which the tugs began to deliver to the ground just this year. At the same time, the assembly will be carried out by snowstorms, and the crew will be delivered by clippers and the federation who have been successfully flying to the lunar base for 10 years.

[Knell wardenheart]

Here you read this and straight drooling flowed .. and then you see "Roscosmos" and "Planning" and everything, immediately from heaven to earth. Unfortunately, these plans are worthless. It is high time for them to force this nuclear tugboat, and they crumple rolls and build projects (

[ultra]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

It is high time for them to force this nuclear tugboat, and they crumple rolls and build projects (

The last patents for this program were received this year. I agree that this program should have been made a priority, but the complexity of the development here goes off scale, and the main difficulty is not the reactor itself or the engines that were already in the 80s, but in creating a turbine and a cooling system.

[Knell wardenheart]

Judging by the background of this topic in 2020, there is exactly what a bureaucratic burden, it seems to me - some contractors miss deadlines, this happens en masse and usually this indicates inadequate planning and allocation of funds. Definitely a complex product - we have already once embarrassed ourselves with the fall of a radioactive object on foreign territory, I am sure that now this is the last thing the country's leadership would like.
However, the product has tremendous structural potential - allowing us, in principle, to catch up with the American efforts to study the solar system in one fell swoop - and within a decade to update domestic space developments and return to its former prestige. In fact, I see in this product our last opportunity to catch on to a profitable direction, in which they will not breathe in the back of our heads for another 10 years. We have a lot of competence in creating reactors - ROSATOM does not seem to look so killed as ROSCOSMOS, and the developments on the reactor in zero gravity I think we had at least the 70s. Since then, materials science has made great strides, so I think the main problem is cooling. Because you will have to remove a decent amount of heat, not in the most effective way, in a rather aggressive and unpredictable environment. I am also certainly annoyed by the potential estimate of the assembly of such a device in orbit - this will be a big problem for us.

[g1washntwn]

Something is somehow liquidish minus now. Either the Rogozinophobic sect has lost weight, or the Maskophile clan on vacations ... Let me ask you:
1. How much money was thrown into the canceled program "Constellation" (Ares-1 and Ares-5)? Angara, you say?
2. How many Artemis (SLS) postponements have been? Demand, do you need sharper?
And ... cherry!
3. How many times have launch contracts gone from maskovsky (not mоskovsky) FH?

I'm starting to dodge the angry sneakers ...

[Tamer]

And Russia, with its budgetary money, has rigged all the "results" there ?!

[g1washntwn]

And to answer questions instead of jokes about "Rogozin and the budget" in any way?

[Tamer]

And I don’t know how many are thrown into the Constellation, SLS, and FH. Not interested. Let this worry John Smith of Alabama. How many are written into Apollo once read. How many are in the N-1 interests me only in technical terms. And then, in retrospect. Comparison of real achievements in space between the Soviet period and the Russian period is not in favor of the latter. Comparison of noise-din - in favor of the Russian one))

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Tamer

Comparison of real achievements in space between the Soviet period and the Russian period is not in favor of the latter.

Well, you compared the pack to a wolf.

[Proxodnoi]

I look saddened by mask-worshipers ... Do you hope that this is all cartoons and propaganda?

[Blackmokona]

They just read this document.
http://engjournal.ru/articles/1889/1889.pdf
30 megawatt tugs will haul 120 tons to Mars in 315 days.
Musk promises the Starship to put 100 tons on Mars in two less time.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

put on Mars in two less time.

And bury it there. The nuclear powered tug is an unmanned truck throughout the solar system. For a manned flight, it will look a little different, something will be added.

[Blackmokona]

You read the document

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Quote: BlackMokona

You read the document

There are some, so far, insurmountable moments in a manned flight to Mars. But what kind of cargo to deliver is not a problem. Such a tug will do it inexpensively.

[Blackmokona]

And what are they? If you are talking about radiation, the rover monitored radiation for the entire flight to Mars and there is nothing terrible there

[Disant]

the rover monitored the radiation during the entire flight to Mars and there is nothing terrible there

can I read a link to the monitoring data from the rover?

[Blackmokona]

You can read about it here
https://m.habr.com/ru/post/181608/

That is, a six-month flight to Mars is approximately equivalent to 1 year spent in low Earth orbit or two at a nuclear power plant.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: BlackMokona

30 megawatt tugs will haul 120 tons to Mars in 315 days.
Musk promises the Starship to put 100 tons on Mars in two less time.

Could it be a reference to Musk's promise?

[Blackmokona]

Of course you can.
On the left in the picture, the year (determines the distance between the earth and Mars, and next to the days for the flight this year
This is a slide from a presentation that Musk personally gave.

[The eye of the crying]

There is no mass.

[Blackmokona]

So that on the right is, Payload in tons, depending on the Delta Ve, landing and so on. Well, yes, the schedule and which you need to figure out.
Therefore, it's easier to give
https://www.vesti.ru/hitech/article/1240219

Starship is a reusable spacecraft with a height of 120 m, which will be able to carry about 100 people and more than 100 tons of cargo to Mars in one flight and independently take off from the surface of the planet

[The eye of the crying]

Vesti.ru is wonderful. But I need Musk's statement. Not a muddy picture from a presentation, but a clear statement. If it is, of course. And then the tweet under the link says about 100 tons into orbit. Not to Mars in 160 days, but to orbit.

Quote: BlackMokona

Starship is a 120m high reusable spacecraft that can carry

Yeah. It also says that the first Starship flight with a team into orbit is possible in 2020. Obviously, this will not happen.

[Blackmokona]

1) There refueling in orbit by Starships tankers. Therefore, such figures are for Orbit and Mars.
2) Yes, Musk has never been strong in meeting deadlines. But the first stage has already begun to be made, the second stage is being tested and rose into the air. A bunch of prototypes of the second stages have already been done.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: BlackMokona

There refueling in orbit with Starships tankers. Therefore, such figures are for Orbit and Mars.

That is, not one Starship is involved in the operation, but several. It is also interesting how much cargo will fly to Mars, and how much fuel will burn along the road. The tugs will haul honest 120 tons.

[Blackmokona]

There will be one Starship flying to Mars.
And how it works.
First, the starship with people or a cargo ship rises into orbit. Then a tanker joins it, refuel and leaves, then another one, and so on until full refueling.
After that, with full tanks, he flies to Mars. And draws honest tons.
We also consider flight speed, which is extremely important for manned flights. People spend tons of cargo to live every day

[The eye of the crying]

I know roughly how it is planned. But I would also like to know how one Starship, even fully fueled in orbit, will carry 100 tons to Mars. Where and who promised it.

[Revival]

And why should Sobyanin be sad?)

[Radical]

Quote: A. Privalov

"I AM
our plans
I love a huge ... "(c)

In the country where these lines were written, the plans were basically fulfilled, and did not disagree with the deeds. In this country, the plans are to use money for ... elections, PR actions, festive installations, Olympiads, championships, all kinds of economic, and other forums, trade in resources. Everything else is a leftover principle.
What plans do you prefer?

[Vadim237]

Well, yes, they were carried out: Tu 144, Spiral, Energia - Buran, M 19, Ekranoplanes - the country was not cold or hot from these projects, only huge money was allocated for "We can do and show" on this all the value of all these projects with an efficiency not higher 0 ends.

[Radical]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, yes, they were carried out: Tu 144, Spiral, Energia - Buran, M 19, Ekranoplanes - the country was not cold or hot from these projects, only huge money was allocated for "We can do and show" on this all the value of all these projects with an efficiency not higher 0 ends.

You have "mixed horses, people ...". And the fact that the listed projects were implemented and tested, but were not put into service, or put into mass production, and practical application is the fault of a particular person who, in the interests of the Main enemy, hacked these projects (excluding Tu-144).

[The eye of the crying]

The Spiral was neither embodied nor tested.

[AML]

Quote: Far In

In an interview with TASS Bloshenko explained

Rogozin is contagious. He seems to have bitten the flea already. Or he breathed heavily on it (if rogozin is transmitted by airborne droplets). Chort, how scary to live!

Don't live. Nobody holds.

[Jurkovs]

If they do the same as Angara, then the Americans can sleep peacefully.

[Disant]

Well, yes, they were asleep, and then BAM the next day - you are wearing Vanguards and Peresveta on alert, a dagger under the rib and calibers in the ear. Poseidon carriers are ready-made and under construction. And then there is the nuclear tug on the way - they quietly developed new materials, it remained at the stand for a year or two in a vacuum barrel and you can launch the sausage house at full power.
The satellite constellation - yes, it is lame - but who knew that it was so vile, insidious and, as usual, unexpectedly, they would impose sanctions on us? This has never happened before, and now - again!
what's wrong with Angara? everything is paid for, there are no unsolvable technical problems, the launches are on schedule

[Revival]

"According to the plans, in 2030 the nuclear space tug should" ....
This can be done

[Sancho_SP]

Couldn't plant the petrel?)

[Jurkovs]

Quote: Disant

what's wrong with Angara?

All wrong. Well, just absolutely.

[Radical]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

The Spiral was neither embodied nor tested.

And remind me of the year when it was developed, and who is to blame that the development was put on the shelf?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Radikal

And remind me of the year when it was developed, and who is to blame that the development was put on the shelf?

I don't know who is to blame. What's the difference? Spiral remained an unrealized project. And who do you call "a specific person who is in the interests of the Main enemy," I also have no idea. However, I doubt that the ekranoplanes and the Spiral were hacked to death by the same person.

[Diviz]

I will be 50 years old! And you?

[da Vinci]

Considering that there is (and in the promises of 15 years) neither a super-heavy launch vehicle, nor a launch pad, only a gravicap will help raise IT from Jupiter

[fa2998]

Quote: hrych

It is high time for stupid bloggers - haters of Russia to subside.

Of all you have listed, only bare words, supported by cartoons. Noodles on the ears, while the budget is sawing.