"The score of victories is 17: 0": in China, they talked about the test battles of the J-20 with fighters of previous generations of the PLA Air Force

The Chinese military command reports on test air battles between fifth-generation J-20 fighters and aircraft of previous generations of the PRC Air Force. In total, 17 test confrontations in the air were carried out.

The J-20 fighter pilots are said to have won 17 out of 17 possible victories. From the official sources of the PLA Air Force:

The score of the victories of the J-20 fighters over the fighters of the previous generations is 17: 0. This indicates the complete superiority in the air of the fifth generation machines.

According to some reports, test air battles were carried out using aircraft from the Wang Hai squadron.

At the same time, it has not yet been reported which fighters of the "previous generation" opposed the J-20 fighters in the skies of China. Experts speculate that it could be Chinese J-10 combat aircraft. These aircraft have been in operation since 2005. More than 450 units were produced in total. Among them is the J-10C tactical interceptor of low radar signature. It belongs to the 4 ++ generation. Such fighters were produced either with Al-31FN engines, or with WS-10A "Taihang".

Specific details of the training battles have not yet been provided.

A few weeks ago, information appeared in open sources that the Chinese Air Force had deployed a pair of 5th generation J-20 fighters to an airfield located about 320 km from the border with India. The data, in particular, were published in the US media in the form of satellite images, on which the contours of the new generation of Chinese combat aircraft could be distinguished.

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[rocket757]

The J-20 fighter pilots are said to have won 17 out of 17 possible victories.

Cool. Prepare, at the same time warn.

[Nevolnik]

Quote: rocket757

The J-20 fighter pilots are said to have won 17 out of 17 possible victories.

Cool. Prepare, at the same time warn.

China is playing games, Now, if only their fighters, bombers from the United States accompanied and pushed them out, like ours in Russia .. Then I would have believed!
And so China is still throwing a show-off, to be honest .. We invited them to Syria, for joint patrols, refused .. Well, let them boast, outwardly our Su-57)))))

[svp67]

Quote: Nevolnik

Well, let them boast, outwardly our Su-57

Outwardly, it looks more like the MiG 1.44

[venik]

Quote: svp67

Outwardly, it looks more like the MiG 1.44

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So (according to rumors, at least) it was done "from him"!

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: svp67

Outwardly, it looks more like the MiG 1.44

Is that the "duck" scheme :))

Similar?

So you can say about it:

[svp67]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

So you can say about it:

Of course ... You read the whole "twig" there? That is, you also think that the "Chinese" is "one person" with our Su-57

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: svp67

Of course ... You read the whole "twig" there? That is, you also think that the "Chinese" is "one person" with our Su-57

Can I not answer?
Reading such comparisons "outwardly ours", I roll with laughter - I have a higher technical degree with a focus on aircraft.

Having no samples to copy, the repetition of the external appearance, the aerodynamic scheme means absolutely nothing.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Nevolnik

Now, if only their fighter jets were escorted and pushed out by the USA, like ours in Russia .. Then I would have believed!

For "escort and push" the ability to air combat is not needed at all.

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

For "escort and push" the ability to air combat is not needed at all.

Relatively. And so of course you need to have iron testicles and preferably several hundred ICBMs with separating warheads for individual guidance. Better yet, have Poseidon with the Petrel. In short, this compact nuclear reactor of high power, in addition to the ability to make a compact combat laser and a railgun, rushes into space. Russia has made a scientific and technical breakthrough. Here is the spaceship being assembled:
https://german-kmw.livejournal.com/112316.html

And here is a cartoon about him (dedicated to those who poured pus on Putin's cartoons and sighed about an American, cheesy, moonlit film with a primitive cartoon about SDI):

[The eye of the crying]

All this is also unnecessary. Have you really heard how the Chinese intercepted and imprisoned an American intelligence officer? And they "pushed" American planes more than once.

[hrych]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

You really haven't heard

There was a collision of wings with a blunt Chinese pilot and the Americans made an emergency landing. The Chinese was killed, and the Americans, having examined their plane, disassembled it and sent it to their place on Ruslan. Chinese leaders are tired of apologizing. Therefore, this is not an interception and forced landing, but an aerial ramming of a curved-handed nerd with a forced landing at the nearest airfield. When the Chinese were not forced, but allowed to sit down, at the request of the pilot. You can present the news in such a way, but in real life so. You can say in another way, they say the Americans shot down a Chinese

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

When the Chinese were not forced, but allowed to sit down, at the request of the pilot.

And he sat down just like that, and not because the Chinese interceptor damaged his wing.

Quote: hrych

After all, you can say in another way, they say the Americans shot down the Chinese wassat

Can. Or we can say that the Chinese hero went to the ram. Or you can simply describe the incident - the Chinese intercepted an American plane, damaged its wing, and forced it to sit down. The aircraft was returned after careful examination.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

that a Chinese interceptor damaged his wing.

Not like that, the Chinese Interceptor managed to stupidly kill himself about Orion. In short, we remember Vasya Tsymbala.
And by the time of landing, there was probably nothing to study there.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Not this way,

You do not exactly contradict what I have stated.

Quote: Cyril G ...

And by the time of landing, there was probably nothing to study there.

And the Chinese studied this "nothing" for 3 months. Okay.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

And the Chinese studied this "nothing" for 3 months. Okay.

More nerves shook. You just don't understand how life works. The crew of such an aircraft in case of unforeseen circumstances is obliged to destroy the identification system and the reconnaissance complex. And there are opportunities for this. And the Chinese might not have returned the plane. But the Chinese have testicles not like the North Koreans.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cyril G ...

You just don't understand how life works.

Your understanding of life does not include understanding a simple thing: it is not always possible to follow instructions.

[Cyril G ...]

I'm telling you you just have no idea what you're talking about. But the aplomb for 10 common people is enough.
I have no doubts that the instructions were followed. They would have had enough time for this during the flight and descent, after touchdown and during taxiing. And then they did not immediately open as far as I remember ...

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cyril G ...

But the aplomb for 10 common people is enough.

And your knowledge of life is enough for two benches of pensioners.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

And your knowledge of life is enough for two benches of pensioners.

Yes, sick, that's enough, not everything, how have you washed toilets all your life ...

[The eye of the crying]

But you have problems with spelling.

[Petio]

The J-8D is not easy to fly. It is an analogue of the Su-15

[Nemo]

Externally, from a pine forest. Somewhere from f-22, somewhere from f-35, su-57, moment-1.44

[rocket757]

Quote: Nevolnik

And so China is still showing off, to be honest

When it flew to them, the Chinese "cut" on an adult. There were precedents ...
Can't they fly anymore?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Completely independent development for our engine.
On the glider - not the slightest coincidence.

[Finches]

All the same, it is felt that the Communist Party is at the helm - Give a five-year plan in three years and 17 victories of the new over the old!

[svp67]

Well, yes ... you cannot praise yourself, no one will praise ... Advertising is the engine of progress

[zadorin1974]

Good Sergey. When I play chess with my ten-year-old daughter, I usually win four out of five games. But you can't even imagine how cool I am playing tic-tac-toe with myself)))))))))).

[Nevolnik]

Quote: svp67

Well, yes ... you cannot praise yourself, no one will praise ... Advertising is the engine of progress

Well, in Russia, it is not particularly customary to praise your weapons and arrange piracy, we just feel it, preferably in a combat situation .. And the turn is behind our weapons, simplicity, reliability, destructive power .. This is our trick has always been and will be!
Well, our air defense is already a legend, because we constantly sit in defense

[tralflot1832]

When B52 or some kind of F15, 16,18, 22, 35, XNUMX will be taken into the "box" then we'll talk.

[Zaurbek]

In general, there are now two aircrafts with a dry score - J-20 and F35.

[Reserve buildbat]

Quite right. Two aircraft with a dry score - J-20 and F-35. Neither one nor the other has a single victory.

[The eye of the crying]

There are much more aircraft without real victories. From F-22 to Su-57. By the way, the Su-35 also does not have a single victory.

[strelokmira]

The Chinese need to decide with the engine and already have a serious batch of J-20, at least 1000 pieces should be released if they want to fight the USA

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: strelokmira

it is necessary to decide with the engine

They will decide in 20 years. Maybe.

[strelokmira]

They will decide in 20 years. Maybe.

They are not RF, so don't worry, they will fix it many times faster.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: strelokmira

They are not RF,

Correctly they are not RF. And therefore, to this day, they buy Al-31, and to this day they cannot bring their WS-10 in terms of resource even to the level of Al-31FM1 (2000 hours), in fact, according to various sources, the Chinese engine reached 900-1200 hours of resource. Moreover, WS-10s have been injected for 35 years, since the mid-80s ... And that is why the only Chinese MFI Thunder sold is equipped with the RD-93. Because for 20 years I am still optimistic.

[voyaka uh]

The Chinese also have the Su-35 in service. We bought a little, 24 pieces.
They apparently did not dare to test their J-20s against them ...

[The eye of the crying]

I think they were checked against them first.

[Cyril G ...]

Sure. And we burst into tears. And after that, see the bearded anecdote about "and you speak."

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cyril G ...

see the bearded anecdote about "and you speak."

Why watch it? They didn't say anything. And there may be various reasons for this.

[voyaka uh]

I found out. Checked against the Su-30,
delivered to China in the 00s: Su-30KK and Su-30K2.
The Chinese were interested in these particular aircraft, because they are the backbone of the Indian Air Force.

[The eye of the crying]

That is, we can say that the checks were broader than what was reported by "official sources"

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Chinese also have the Su-35 in service. We bought a little, 24 pieces.
They apparently did not dare to test their J-20s against them ...

What is the problem, while no one sees, they could have filled up two dozen Su-2s with one J-35 ...

[Mavrikiy]

The score of victories is 17: 0 ": in China, they talked about the test battles of the J-20 with fighters of previous generations of the Air Force

So buy, buy, buy! One Chinese kaka, against an even bigger kaka of China ...

[Petio]

It is necessary to give both the conditions of the battles in that after and the distance.

[lvov_aleksey]

I'm in tanks, but I can kill everyone like the Air Force, I'm bragging !!!!!!!
like this article.

[Fitter65]

The J-20 fighter pilots are said to have won 17 out of 17 possible victories.

This is roughly from this opera

The prototype of the power plant, which will surpass all available analogues, presented at the international exhibition HELIRUSSIA 2020 ....

True, there are some differences, the J-20 flies ...