The Black Sea Fleet has completed an experiment to create a female crew of a patrol boat

On the Black Sea navy an experiment to create the first female crew of a patrol boat was completed. According to the press service of the fleet, the results of the experiment were recognized as successful.

The command of the Black Sea Fleet summed up the results of the experiment to create the first all-female crew of the Raptor patrol boat, and the findings were sent to the Main Command of the Navy, where they should make a decision on the use of female crews in the Russian fleet.

The Black Sea Fleet completed and recognized as a successful experiment to create a female crew on a patrol boat. (...) The results of the experiment were prepared and sent to the Main Command of the Russian Navy for further decision

- said in a statement.

As specified, during the experiment, the boat's crew, consisting of three female military personnel, took courses of intensive combined-arms training, and also trained as a boat commander, an electrician-electrician and a steering-signalman. Upon completion of the internship, they successfully passed the tests for admission to independent control of the boat and the performance of official duties.

The formation of the first female crew of the Raptor patrol boat was announced as an experiment in early March 2020, and the decision was made by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. The crew underwent training at the St. Petersburg Joint Training Center, after which they arrived at the Black Sea Fleet, where they began to serve.

Comments

[Daniil Konovalenko]

So that's why recently the film "Take care, women!" Has been shown on different channels .... It's time to shoot a remake with the same name, but without an exclamation mark, but better a series of 200 series ..

[smart ass]

I want a captain on this ship !!! And around the world! The captain is a man?

[alexmach]

They did not read the article carefully. Only Yoongi's position remains vacant :)

[svp67]

Quote: alexmach

Only the position remained vacant

coca ...

[Per se.]

Quote: Clever man

I want a captain on this ship!

The plot was already there.

But, save and save with such a crew to be the captain.

[Lexus]

The plot was already there.

[Hagen]

Want three critical weeks a month? You will not reach the Bosphorus alive and in good health

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Hagen

Want three critical weeks a month? You will not reach the Bosphorus alive and in good health

Well, tell us how you manage to do all the functionality of your wife, including her work, and combine it with your own work for one week a month? Or does your wife not have "critical" days?

[Hagen]

My wife and I are not in a confined space for weeks. Yes, and we chew with her not on duty. Therefore, we forgive each other a lot.

[Rusticolus]

Which Bosphorus, which weeks? The raptors have a cruising range of 300 miles. This is at most a day, with a full 8 hour sleep in the drift. It's like having a bachelorette party with a girlfriend.

[Sharky]

I want a captain on this ship !!!

There are no captains on ships, dear.

[Liam]

Quote: Sharky

There are no captains on ships, dear.

Lieutenant commanders, captains of ranks 1-3 on ships don't have a foot?

[Sharky]

First, the conversation is clearly not about titles in this context. The captain on the ship, the captain on the ship, don't you agree?
Secondly: the rank of captain is not in the Navy.
Thirdly: looking at the shoulder straps of the girls in the photo, there is not a single officer rank. Do you think that the captain-lieutenant will be appointed the commander of the patrol boat? The ship is of the wrong rank.

[Liam]

Ushakov disagree


Definition of CAPTAIN in Ushakov's Explanatory Dictionary of the Russian Language
CAPTAIN
captain, m. (fr. capitaine).

1. Chief military or a merchant ship (sea).

2. Officer rank in the army or navy (military pre-revolutionary). Company commander with the rank of captain. Captain of the first, second rank.

3. Part of compound words denoting various ranks and positions (pre-revolutionary). Police captain. Lieutenant Commander. Headquarters Captain.

4. Head, head of a sports team (sports). The captain of the football team.

Ushakov. Explanatory dictionary of the Russian language by Ushakov. 2012

[Sharky]

You are clearly moving away from the topic, re-read the correspondence again, since you burst with comments. The man wrote that he wants the captain on this ship, not into the past or into the future. To which I answered him.

[Sharky]

Ushakov disagree

It would be more appropriate on your part to cite excerpts from the current Ship charter of the Russian Navy. Part one, chapter 1. Basics of ship organization. General Provisions. Item 9:
9. At the head of the ship is ship commander... To assist the ship commander, the following are appointed:

- senior assistant (assistant), who is the first deputy commander of the ship, - deputies and assistants, determined by the ship's staff.

The entire personnel of the ship is its crew.

[Free wind]

All feminines have towers, why there are no titles is unclear, well, not fence-building institutes.

[K-50]

Quote: Clever man

I want a captain on this ship !!! And around the world! The captain is a man?

Remember the song from the movie "Prisoner of the Caucasus".
There Yuri Nikulin cleverly said, "Well, there are three of them!"
Not a cabin boy, not a cook, not a captain! As the reins fall under, let there be a tail, so that's it. Where to run in the middle of the ocean? Just overboard. Do you need it?

[venik]

Quote: Clever man

I want a captain on this ship !!! And around the world! The captain is a man?

=========
Reminded a "bearded" children's anecdote:
... As a survival experiment, 20 men and 1 woman were planted on one ... And on the other - 20 women and 1 man ...
A year later, we arrived to check the situation ...
- On the first island: beauty and order: In the middle of the island there is a chair in which a woman sits. Men are scurrying around: plowing, gathering fruits, etc. The lady looks around the "farm" and suddenly indignantly: "14th! You work poorly! Your turn is postponed to the end of the month!"
- On the second island: Madhouse !!! In the middle there is a palm tree, surrounded by a crowd of angry women ..... On a palm tree, desperately clinging to a branch, sits an exhausted man with a mad look ..... Ladies frantically shake the palm tree screaming: "Get off the infection! You've been" resting "for 15 minutes.!! "
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Are not afraid?

[smart ass]

I will answer with an anecdote. I really like to participate in group sex! Why???? You can make money ...

[venik]

Quote: Clever man

I will answer with an anecdote. I really like to participate in group sex! Why???? You can make money ...

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[iouris]

Dear "Meeting a Song", please sing the song. I remember there were these words: "... I took it off decisively, but he did not ask ..."
Dear Vasily Nikanorovich, on your application we are transmitting the song "Is it that man?"
Be afraid of your desires.

[smart ass]

Who will explain to me why there is equality in the constitution, and women retire earlier?

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Clever man

do women retire earlier?

Because children give birth.

[smart ass]

Unfortunately, this is their biological function.

[cat Rusich]

Smart guy, you ask the workers about early retirement ...

[smart ass]

They work as miners, at construction sites and melt steel, now I understand!

[Finches]

I don’t know how in the navy, but in connection, in order to maintain combat readiness, the schedule of a special cycle of the women's body for a month had to be asserted that the duties at the combat posts would be distributed fairly ...

[unhappy]

I read that after the crews of the G-5 torpedo boats received special rations due to the heaviest loads during the cruise. The Raptor is not a pleasure boat, how to understand this action? These are not women, but military personnel, do not care?

[ancient]

Quote: Finches

I do not know how in the navy, but in connection, in order to maintain combat readiness, I had to assert a special cycle of the women's body for a month,

I fully support ... even without comments and that ... it's interesting ... in the article not a word about .... "combat work at combat posts" or ... is this .. "walking demonstration" Raptor " ?
I wonder ... what else is there to wait ..... a female submarine commander and .. "purely female crew"?

[sailor roman]

The experience of the formation of purely female and mixed crews and the operation of ships and vessels in the navies of European countries and the United States has shown that the cost of building, refitting and operating such ships increases by 20-30%, the effectiveness of actions is much lower. For these reasons, the programs for the creation of such crews from 2020 have been significantly curtailed.

[Lexus]

Thanks for the info! The "experiment" runs the risk of ending, as in one song.

"The dress was blown off by the wind, the shame was exposed, And the plugs flew through the bushes." (FROM)

[cat Rusich]

ancient, "combat work at combat posts" ...

"purely female crew" ...

[Finches]

Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, please!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Finches

Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, please!

You can swing a sledgehammer, but you cannot use the wheel

[ancient]

Quote: cat Rusich

You can swing a sledgehammer, but you cannot use the wheel

At the helm you have to think and ... after all, they can also shoot at you. So it would be necessary to try to "twist" so that without the loss of the crew. And the group of "landing"

[cat Rusich]

O. Spiridonova - special forces "Alpha", retired colonel, 10 years commander of the women's section in Directorate "A"

The detachment, of course, was dismissed - there is no one to "swing with sledgehammers" ...

[ancient]

Quote: cat Rusich

special forces "Alpha", retired colonel, 10 years commander of the women's section in Directorate "A"

And what .... the KGB (FSB) have been on the staff all their lives and .. "operatives" and their training according to a separate plan and the "methods" of work are the same ... "different" ... but they do their job right

[cat Rusich]

Lyudmila Pavlichenko

We can say that there was a war then ... but today in Syria, in the Donbass, recently in Chechnya ... or do you not consider a "local conflict" a war?

[Finches]

It's not about the sledgehammer, but about constant combat readiness ... However, in order to understand this, you need to command a platoon, company, battalion ... (of course, where women military personnel are present, like our signalmen, in sufficient numbers), and so then our women are smart! You can't argue against that!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Finches

It's not about the sledgehammer - it's about constant combat readiness ...

And in the "men's team" there are no problems with "went into a binge", "today with a hangover," "my wife has an anniversary," "I have a birthday," and so on and so on ...

[Finches]

And these men need to get rid of! Immediately!

[cat Rusich]

Eugene, and who to recruit instead of them? ... women? - Give young people a salary right away.

[Finches]

Come on, there are enough normal men in Russia! Of course, it is necessary to work with young people, but nevertheless, they have not degenerated yet!

[cat Rusich]

Young people today need to be "lured" into production (present) - and then they should be properly retained in production, and not "talk about optimization and nanotechnology." And to bring the salary to the level when the wife can sit at home with the children, and not go to "lay the sleepers."

[Finches]

I’m in the army of the 90s - sometimes I didn’t get anything at all, except for rations, for three months, and the money allowance itself was ridiculous to the point of horror ... She did not go to lay sleepers on me - there was no time - the household must be run - I’m not all the time! But here everything is divine - a man in the service, a woman in the house! And not vice versa! Our Russian woman will lay down the sleepers and endure everything, but I'll tell you this - everyone has their own share and there is nothing to distort unnecessarily!

[cat Rusich]

Workers at the plant in the 90s could not get anything for six months or more, "do you want to eat?" - start a "subsidiary farm" - a potato plot, but the rent was not canceled ...

[Finches]

Well, you see! And now all the GDPs are not happy ... But a woman in the army, in some positions, is for any brute force and no one needs PR - doctors, signalmen, planners ... But the crews are not like that, ships, planes ... A mobilization reserve can be prepared, from this point of view it is somewhere a justified action, but not in the case, all the same!

[cat Rusich]

In my opinion. There is more noise than sense with the "female Raptor". We recruited a crew of 3 (THREE !!!) sailors, and whether it was the crew of an aircraft carrier, together with the flight wing, they were fully staffed with women. Time will pass, the command will "play enough" with the "curiosity" and the "female Raptor" will dissolve in reorganization and reassignment to new positions and titles.

[Finches]

I agree with you, there is a lot in modern Russia - PR for the sake of PR! Because, with all due respect, who is Shoigu for the army - a jacket, without clan and tribe, but tries to rule the good as best he can, even though the Chief of the General Staff keeps the true warrior from his roots - Gerasimov, for which he has respect!

[cat Rusich]

About "female carriages" where did they start with the tsar-father ...

Burlachki river Sura 1910 - photo, not painting ...

[cat Rusich]

Women barge haulers are not an isolated phenomenon ...

[smart ass]

It is not clear what is more dangerous. Give them a combat boat or make them fix the path along which the trains will go)))

[cat Rusich]

Vasya, and the woman is a teacher, doctor, cook ...

[sailor roman]

It was in such a team that I worked since the age of 14, as a railway worker of the first category. The first week I barely crawled home to, but for a month I got involved. There were only women in the brigade, and exactly as indicated in the photo we worked.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

I don't know how in the navy

I know how in the navy, many women, technologists have worked with me. mimics, cooks, service staff, there were even radio operators and one navigator. But it is not a woman's place to walk the seas, leave this work to the peasants. Take care of your destiny.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: tihonmarine

But it is not a woman's place to walk the seas; leave this work to the men. Take care of your destiny.

[smart ass]

Now this is the exception than the rule

[dedBoroded]

And if we consider that once in the sultan's harems this cycle was miraculously synchronized among the personnel, then there is a possible loss of combat readiness by the crew

[Hagen]

The sultan himself did not live in a harem. He always had the opportunity to mount a horse and ... to hunt. Where will you jump out of the boat if the critical times of the crew coincide? Like saints walking on water ???

[Free wind]

Well, not entirely wonderful, then we figured out in what cases synchronization occurs. But if the eunuch caught the mamzelek with such synchronization, he probably kept them on a short leash, otherwise a few words to the Sultan and that's it.

[Moore]

I am confident somewhere in the region of 99% that this boat has a replacement crew, he is also the main one. And girls - so, to support the global trend ...

[Elephant]

It wouldn't hurt to shear sheep. Sometimes they will have to wear a helmet ...

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Elephant

It wouldn't hurt to shear sheep. Sometimes they will have to wear a helmet ...

Will a helmet only fit a shorn ram? You come across such rams who need to wrap a footcloth over their head so that they don't lose their helmet.

[Elephant]

And with such tails as the girls in the photo against the background of the Constantine Battery in Sevastopol, a helmet or armored helmet will constantly fidget over the head! And the hairstyles will often have to be changed: in a cap, the tail is outward, and in a helmet, it will have to be folded into a buzz at the top of the head (if the hair is out, the wind will blow and prevent the beauties from aiming at the enemy from the Pechenegs))).

[KVU-NSVD]

They underwent general military training and, accordingly, they completely adjusted their helmets.

[Elephant]

And you do not care that the one in the engine compartment may have to repair the engine somewhere in the sea, it suddenly happens that such a lush head of hair can accidentally wind on some shaft there ...?

[Dodikson]

Yes, this is not even the point, it is clear that no one will send them to the fighting.
and they must be shaved for the same reason that men were shaved. mustaches and beards were also prohibited.
because a mustache and a beard are unhygienic, they are lice, fleas, mice, rats

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Elephant

And you do not care that the one in the engine compartment

Let the one in the engine compartment think for herself and I think she has enough sense not to climb with her hair loose in places with moving parts of mechanisms.

[Elephant]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Let the one in the engine compartment think for herself and I think she has enough sense not to climb with her hair loose in places with moving parts of mechanisms.

And if tomorrow is a war. And then let the enemy boat, immobilized at sea, successfully shoot ...? By the way, ladies can also spoil their fashionable nails during repair work!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Elephant

And you do not care that the one in the engine compartment may have to repair the engine somewhere in the sea, it suddenly happens that such a lush head of hair can accidentally wind on some shaft there ...?

In your opinion, then it is necessary to shave everyone who deals with mechanisms? Turners, millers, drivers, weavers, spinners ... who, according to TB, must put their hair under a headdress when working.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Elephant

you may have to repair the engine somewhere in the sea

Firstly, this motor boat does not go out to sea. So, inside the bay it drives and not far from one famous bridge.
Secondly, modern engines do not imply any "repair at sea". Only ashore, and only by certified specialists. There, purely physically, many operations - you can do hell.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Elephant

Sometimes they will have to wear a helmet ...

A helmet in the fleet is not the main thing ...
But if you have to fight for the survivability of the Raptor ... or, God forbid, drown, or a fire ... Will the girls have enough strength to get a plaster or swing a hole with a sledgehammer to wrap the turned-out steel out - that is the question ...
And "to defile along the waves under the southern sun, this is to snowboarders or yachtsmen .. It will still be easier there.

[KVU-NSVD]

I think in the learning process there was also a subject about damage control with practical exercises.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

fight for the survivability of the Raptor ... or, God forbid, sink, or a fire ... Will the girls have enough strength to get a plaster or use a sledgehammer to wave a hole,

What the fuck is vitality. What a plaster, what a sledgehammer. This is not a battleship, this is a patrol boat. Put on immersion suits - and overboard.

True, I saw a figure here, how much this motor boat costs. The construction price is about twice as much as a six-thousander dry cargo ship. They complain that it is too expensive.

[bk316]

And "to defile along the waves under the southern sun, this is for snowboarders or yachtsmen ..

Snowboarders and on the waves? Poor fellows ...

[Finches]

A woman is not fit for a man to offend, especially for the eyes! And for her hair she has a commander ... Without you, she can handle it!

[Alien From]

This is not a woman's business !!!

[Same lech]

This is not a woman's business !!!

Yah ... in Israel they don't think so.

[ancient]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

. in Israel do not think so.

If there was a population in the Russian Federation, and even more so the size of the Armed Forces, as in Israel, ... then I dare to assure you ... we did not think in the same way ... "about this" ... but "made" would be a military conscription to the RF Armed Forces is mandatory for both sexes, with only some concessions for females.

[Same lech]

Well, taking into account your comment ... tell me basically women can serve in our army in combat positions?

[ancient]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

. Tell me, in principle, women can serve in our army in combat positions?

From practical experience I report ..... yes they can - at the command post and the ZKP when carrying the OBD, at the command post for the guidance of the IA, in the OBS, we also had technicians for the AO (we carried trolleys with the "Tester").
And they were "visiting" the sailors (in Vesyoliy), so personally I watched how the "sailors" -armsmen pushed carts with torpedoes and buoys under the Il-38

[Recon]

In principle they can, but not in the field. And not on the water.

[Finches]

I, with your permission and taking into account my experience, will answer, if you will, in positions that determine combat readiness and predetermine decision-making - NO!

In short, if you understand - a woman's heart can sacrifice a man and mercilessly destroy him for the sake of her goals, but send him to death deliberately, for the sake of fulfilling a duty, and herself remain indifferent ... A normal woman's heart can never do this, even if it is at stake the fate of the Motherland! God arranged it that way, that's why the human race continues to exist ... I apologize for being confused and, perhaps, stupid! But somewhere like that!

[Elephant]

And the kid downstairs is happy about something ...))) Earlier in the Soviet Army, the cook added bromine to the compote ...

[Same lech]

And the kid downstairs is happy about something ...

Well I would surrounded by so many beauties ... would meow like a March cat ... not life, but raspberries for a man.

[ccsr]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Well, I would be surrounded by so many beauties ... I would meow like a March cat ... not life, but raspberries for a man.

You just do not take into account all the nuances of the command of the women's team. I happened to serve with a graduate of the Moscow VOKU, who after several years

[Finches]

The boy is not happy, smiling with grief! According to modern traditions of the West and Israel, including - he is gay, he went to the army for a relationship, but he came to it is not clear where ... Some women around! Here and smiling wondering - where to roll this world!

[unhappy]

Have you seen the movie "The Dawns Here Are Quiet"?
What are you proud of? For a man, I will not say that it is shameful, but still. It is clear that everyone is taking weapons in a mortal threat, maybe you are ready to give weapons to children, in peacetime? If so, how do you live ...

[garri-lin]

You noticed very accurately. Vaskov's monologue at the end of the book beats a tear.

[Free wind]

These are conscripts, I'm all for it. There are not so many female cadres. Madamas have towers, plus 5-6 years of experience. Children will want to have every 3 years, you can sit, then sick leave with a child, and what kind of mother is she leaving her children. Here we are not even talking about a woman at sea, but about a mother who abandons her child. I would have got rid of such a madam when we met right away .. Who is their daddy interesting. There have already been many such experiments, supposedly they will serve for a year, and then they hang around at the headquarters. Seniority goes, retired in his prime. And many can be transferred to civilian life. I'm against.

[ancient]

Quote: Free Wind

There are not so many female cadres.

What do you mean by the definition ... "Women career workers"?
In communications battalions and "bases" in the ranks of privates and sergeants of the long-term service, almost all women, and warrant officers so almost without exception ... officers and .. units.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Oh well ... they don't think so in Israel.

Kurds don't think so either.

[Free wind]

Which is small, such a sweetheart, really fingers, albeit with a manicure, but it seems the girl was training. And this mumzel with the nose of Barnabas, the women's club was closed on TNT, so she enrolled in the militants along the way.

[unhappy]

I saw a video on YouTube, a group of Kurds in the mountains grappled with the Turks, there was also a girl in the role of a draft force in the back rows. Do not flatter yourself, the times of the Amazons are areas of myth.

[Dodikson]

and in what battles did they take part?
in bed?

[Gnefredov]

Well yes. And the guy in the lower right corner got them all, so they are now, cheerful.

[smart ass]

I'm only behind to front them

[Gardamir]

The world is ruled by tolerance. Women on planes and ships, let the men give birth.

[Same lech]

let the men give birth.

Ugh ... what disgusting ... a woman is converted into a man and then they say that the man gave birth to homosexuals or homosexuals in a family ... ugh ... where the world is heading.

[minus]

Last week, mothers of girls in fifth grade, in which the middle son is studying, resented the fact that now joint labor lessons. The teacher said that * the gender division of students into boys and girls in our education has been removed, all * ..... So we are gradually pushing this tolerance on the sly ...

[garri-lin]

The question is what is taught in joint labor lessons? If cooks and stools to plan in equal shares, then it is normal.

[Free wind]

The fifth grade is the current, post-Old Slavic-Soviet, it corresponds to the 4th grade. something was already beating. There is no need here about tolerance, ask the headmaster of the school, any head of the kindergarten, how many checks come from the prosecutor's office, and suddenly the child will prick a finger, or he will screw himself up with a hammer. Take a hammer in your hands at any production facility if you don't have a permit, that's it, shooting on the spot with a slingshot in the balls. In schools, any machines are already prohibited, no director will take responsibility for some kind of emergency. and will do the right thing. In the gyms, the ropes have been cut, the horses' legs have been sawn off. I personally saw the children playing at physical education ..... with balloons. Some sheep broke the nose with a ball, dad dashed off a complaint to the prosecutor's office, the balls were taken for examination. Goes to the fact that gyms will be upholstered with mattresses in a circular, as for violent madmen. So what about chihar or loudmouth. better not to speak. first you need to find out what's what.

[Varyag71]

not an army, but a circus already

[Doccor18]

... the results of the experiment are considered successful ...

There are many positions in the military where women are very successful. But the crew of a boat or a ship ... a dubious idea. And what's the point of this experiment?
Still, the maritime service is fraught with physical difficulties, where exactly physical strength may be needed ... And according to the charter, medical requirements and common sense - lifting weights is contraindicated for women. Emancipation sometimes takes on bizarre and abnormal forms ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Doccor18

Still, naval service is fraught with physical difficulties, where exactly physical strength may be needed ...

Well, where physical strength may be needed

boat commander, electrician and helmsman-signalman.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, where physical strength may be needed

How are we going to moor? These three people are the entire crew of the boat. That's it, there are no other crew members on the Raptor.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Alexey RA

How are we going to moor? These three people are the entire crew of the boat. That's it, there are no other crew members on the Raptor.

Well, as soon as they overwhelm the sowing campaign, they will quietly forget this experiment ...
The crew is a variable. It is unlikely that at the base there will be replacement female crew members of the appropriate qualifications. Inevitably will have to "dilute" the sailors.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexey RA

How are we going to moor? These three people are the entire crew of the boat.

Simply, one on the bridge, two first secured the bow, then the stern, and then the three of them will lead the additional. There, the ends are not "weaving", they will cope.

[Dikson]

With a good helmsman, it's easy .. It's still a boat, not a cruiser ... If you learn to rub against the wall, you just have to put mooring lines on the bollard ...)))

[Rzzz]

Quote: Alexey RA

How are we going to moor? These three people are the entire crew of the boat.

I alone coped on the stretch of an 18-meter yacht. Stopped the boat, you run and throw the mooring lines. True, if the wind is strong, a sailor is already needed, and that is, there is a risk of breaking firewood.

[Gnefredov]

Well, there is mass inertia. It makes a difference where you are. If on the dock, then no problem. But if in a boat

[Rzzz]

So I was in the boat, alone. My sailor got sick then.

[Gnefredov]

Cool. Well, one more brick in favor of the absence of women in the navy.

[Rzzz]

Why then. On the same yachts, I often met working girls. Mostly sailors, but I saw one captain.

Now I work for a shipping company, and sometimes we come across ladies in our crews. Of course, they rarely make a long career with a family. But recently, one of the first mates was sitting on a steamer - no problem at all. And he knows how to manage, and ship the ship, and maintain documentation, and command the crew.
The only thing was that the captain was a little puffed up there, there were always some complaints. But this is most likely because a woman, he was not ready for this.

[Doccor18]

Well, where physical strength may be needed

Take a "parade march" along the coastline ..
Or serve on it, carry out maintenance, minor current repairs, refuel, load and unload ammunition, food, paint and much more ... Or will the second crew - male ... do all this for them ...?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, where physical strength may be needed

Situations are different ...
1.the actual fight for the survivability of the ship or its power plant ...
2.stormy conditions, when you feel like pregnant with toxicosis ...
3.mooring at sea and keeping the boat on hooks ...
4. loading of ammunition, provisions or else a thread of any cargo ..
Well, then you can recall different "goodies" such as grounding, keeping watch, high pressure ...

[Gnefredov]

All true.
The sea is an enemy environment. Only a man's stubbornness, multiplied by a simple word - "must" performs miracles.
—
I don't want to see women in the Morflot.
Not the same body weight, and they have different concepts (a lot of jokes about a blonde behind the wheel) ..

[ancient]

Quote: Doccor18

There are many positions in the military where women are very successful.

A little "pompous" ... more truthfully .... "quite tolerable" or "quite appropriate"

[Doccor18]

A little "pompous" ...

Tried to be more correct

[ancient]

Quote: Doccor18

Tried to be more correct

Clear ... and here .. "the weaker sex" or ... "secret inhaler" has already marked us .. with a minus

[Doccor18]

To each his own...

[Varyag71]

We are waiting for the female tank crew. I really want to see how they will remove and install the battery.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Varyag71

We are waiting for the female tank crew. I really want to see how they will remove and install the battery.

Or download BC.

[3danimal]

With an exoskeleton as an option

[voyaka uh]

Exactly 60 years ago, the first woman SECRETLY ran the Boston Marathon.
She was noticed in the middle of the race, and the organizers wanted to pull her out by force.
But the surrounding men did not allow. The woman ran normally to the end
with good results and was not very jaded.
Since then, women have taken part in marathons, half marathons ...
And some of the men on the forum, when he was in good shape, could
run 42 km?

[Doccor18]

And some of the men on the forum, when he was in good shape, could
run 42 km? 

The comparison is incorrect. Will any of the men on VO be able to enter the ring with Natalia Ragozina? I doubt it very much. And what about professional athletes and average women ...?

[Rusticolus]

Probably many will be able to leave, but very few people will be able to leave on their own two feet.

[3danimal]

Former CCM Heavyweight Kickboxing. At that time - no problem It would be easy to work, hold it at a distance ..

[Gnefredov]

Fuck. I would not want to run into you in the late eighties.

[3danimal]

Oh it wouldn't be scary, I'm 1984
I just had the peak of activity in 2003-2004. And Ragozina had her first fight (professional) - in 2004. With good experience in amateurs - before that.
IMHO, I could contain and impose a restrained format (bigger, stronger, I was well prepared enough).

[Gnefredov]

Hello! Yes I can. Every morning fourteen kilometers "five" (usually by running) to Donuzlav and the same amount back.
Wake up at 04:20, regardless of the season.
Hang up at 19.40.

[voyaka uh]

Good for you! Cool! I once ran 20s, now 8-10 km once or twice a week.

[Gnefredov]

I have no choice :) I do not want to take a place in the house with my corpse (and without me there are worries, above the roof). So I am running around like a wasp stung

[3danimal]

I ran 14-15 km every 2 days .. Now - 50 km by bike. Or 3 km in the pool.

[Gnefredov]

This is a hard regime. You have to be a professional to maintain such a schedule.
—
I'm still trying to figure out the topic of the article. Again and again, strongly against women in the navy.
And not only in the navy. In aviation, wherever there is violence, women have no place.
I don't want to see women at war.

[3danimal]

You have to be a professional to maintain such a schedule.

Not really Just 1 hour 10 minutes of running every 2 days. Well, the general physical training complex between them .. Maintained endurance at the level
In the pool, 3 km is also a little over an hour, not always in a row.
And the bike ... It's just interesting. A couple of hours, sometimes a little more I started small, in particular, I transferred all travels around the city to a bicycle. And then all the halls were closed for quarantine .. I recommend

[askort154]

voyaka uh ....But the surrounding men did not allow. The woman ran to the end normally.

Alexey, specify - did the woman normally run to the "end", or to the finish line?

[voyaka uh]

Here is the famous footage of Katherine Switzer being grabbed and stopped

She ran to the finish line with a score of 4 hours and 20 minutes.
And then I ran many more marathons.

[Avior]

the man in the jacket - John Semple, the marathon director, is known for fighting all sorts of originals in the marathon.
On the right, in dark shorts, Tom Miller, Switzer's friend, pushed Semple away from him, later she married him, then they divorced.

[Al_lexx]

All this, of course, is very nice, but it is not clear what would be that (except for PR)?

[aszzz888]

Completed and recognized as successful in the Black Sea Fleet experimentt to create a female crew on a patrol boat.

It may well be that it will remain an "experiment".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aszzz888

It may well be that it will remain an "experiment".

Well, why, crew boats are also needed, let the women dash around the roadstead, and let the men serve on the ships.

[Elephant]

And why should they wander around the raid?

[Ham]

women are usually much more fanatical than men

[Egoza]

Quote: Ham

women are usually much more fanatical than men

That's it! How they catch up with the intruder, how they take it on board .... hold on to the men (the woman on the ship is unfortunately)! The intruder will immediately surrender.

[L-39NG]

You're right. For a long time, it was believed that a female fighter was more dangerous to the enemy than a male fighter. First it was necessary to focus on armed women, then on the unarmed, to those with special apprehension, tactics and diplomacy, then on men who, after the elimination of their combat friends, lose their heads and begin to make mistakes after mistakes in battle. And most importantly, no gender discrimination! Bullets for men and women are made the same. Want equality? Let them get it, without exceptions and without special conditions. How was it in "White Sun of the Desert"? - "A woman, she is also a man." If a woman starts shooting in my direction, I will shoot her. No matter who, where, code or why.

[Gnefredov]

There are many sensible answers in the thread. Yours (for me personally) is the best.
That's exactly it.

[ccsr]

Quote: L-39NG

You're right. For a long time, it was believed that a female fighter was more dangerous to the enemy than a male fighter.

I don’t know how it was in ancient times, but I know very well that the appearance of even three women in the field of one of the departments of the GSVG headquarters was, to put it mildly, a headache for the chief and his deputy. Firstly, there is a problem with the toilet, because one woman cannot be released not only during the day, but also at night, so we had to send them two by two. Secondly, in 5-10 days an unwashed woman is unlikely to feel comfortable, especially since they slept in the same kunga of the staff car without undressing with the men. And thirdly, some of them were family, although they tried not to take them to the FKSU, and this also left an imprint on their activities.
In general, even in large headquarters with women, hemorrhoids when leaving the field, and what problems there are in combat units, I think those who have come across the arrangement of their life will tell, and this is hardly a simple matter even in peacetime.

[Gnefredov]

Oh Hurray! The voice of sanity in the stream of examining / evaluating the figures of cannon fodder in the female shell.
For some reason I missed your comment. I am getting better.
All right write.
You know, I have not yet become very furious since the moment when my cousin was cut off by a chain in the hawse above the elbow. Three (three!) Peasants with crowbars and pokers poked out a chain, at the other end of which a multi-ton anchor dangled.
Did not help.
Well, what women can we talk about here? It has long been noted: a woman on a ship? The fat is in the fire!
I don’t want to write any further (I’m starting to swear, better than a dockman).

[Pavel57]

The idea is dubious.

[Gnefredov]

Such news does not make me happy.
Comrades live in the pre-war period.

[tso1973]

There was also a female BMD crew in the Tula Airborne Division, the military attaches were freaking out from its training, but this crew did not last long, all the crew members got married and went on maternity leave. The next attempts to create a similar crew, as far as I know, failed.

[Dikson]

.. then they will transfer from the Raptor to the admiral's traveling crew .. and everything will be fine with them ..))

[Varyag71]

I think there is only one reason for this. Admirals want to see their daughters and granddaughters in the navy. There are female military pilots, now there will be sea wolves. Then we will see the ladies in the Special Forces of the GRU. Well, there and not far off are women commanders of units, armies, etc.

[Ela myaushkina]

A good start. A woman is also a man and should have the same opportunities and rights as a man, at the level of the law. But if she wants to use them, this is her business, and should not be in the form of a duty, following the example - since you have the same rights as a man, then why are you not drafted into the army and do not go?

Now is the 21st century and the values ​​of ancient times are not applicable to it. Society should develop, and not be in some kind of unchanging fossilized cocoon, with certain unchanging things. There are no permanent things. Everything changes and develops in the form of evolution.

[Gnefredov]

"A good start".
What a good start? I don't see anything good here. To feed the lice in the trenches? It's good? Is defecating under yourself cool? Yes? It must be so sexy. Yes?
You, dear individual (your gender is "violet" to me), have never seen or smelled a war if you write that.
Yes, and thank God.
—
Pancake. Are there combat officers here?
Explain to this miracle that she is delusional.

[Region-25.rus]

You, sir, probably have no idea what service or work in the Navy is! And I doubt that you have any idea of ​​any work at all. I've got it !!! I have a lot. What is mooring in strong winds in the course? what is a wave coming at you almost under the bridge in the course? What does it mean to dig into the gland up to the elbows in oil and fuel oil in the course? Work with mooring lines in the course? Or will a team be called from the shore for all dirty work, mooring, emergency situations? Or will the second boat go alongside, with a spare crew?

[Gnefredov]

They can’t imagine anything. Let them try to swim 173 meters in the hold, five meters below the waterline. In fuel oil and with two cameras for a breather (and it was also not known whether this Camera was there or not).
—
There is no place for women in the navy. If only in Hollywood blockbusters.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

A good start. A woman is also a man and should have the same opportunities and rights as a man, at the level of the law. But if she wants to use them, this is her business, and should not be in the form of a duty, following the example - since you have the same rights as a man, then why are you not drafted into the army and do not go?

That is, a woman should have rights at the level of a man, but not have responsibilities. Not bad, what is already there.

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

Now is the 21st century and the values ​​of ancient times are not applicable to it. Society should develop, and not be in some kind of unchanging fossilized cocoon, with certain unchanging things.

Well, what, what, but fossilized cocoons in relation to women, our country did not suffer.

[APASUS]

This is complete nonsense! In practice, during a storm, as a rule, the female half of the attendants "rested" in the place with the passengers until the storm subsides.
This service is not the easiest, especially since it is a patrol boat, there will be no discounts

[Region-25.rus]

well, I must admit in my more or less ten years of practice, the female staff was resistant to rolling. The unstable ones just ran away right away))) As one of my captains said - "For me, there are no women or men on the ship! There are crew members!" - when one of the female personalities began to complain - "The crew must be fed, washed, and ... stuff!")))

[APASUS]

Quote: Region-25.rus

"The crew must be fed, washed, and ... stuff!")))

And I liked to run to the restaurant during a storm, there was so much food left for us young students to eat to the bone, well, we got the truth from the chief mate for this.

[Kosya Queen]

I wonder why the vests stopped wearing. Look from the Ukrainian fleet they took an example, they long ago refused to wear vests, they also wear white T-shirts.

[Gnefredov]

They have not yet seen the severed limbs. The head is here, the body is a couple of tens of meters from the head.
T-shirts ... And the smell.

UPD. Bab to send to war, the last thing. This is the beginning of the end. This is unacceptable to me.
Dagger, poison and all sorts of intricacies are normal (the knights of the cloak and dagger will confirm). But shove women into a combat situation?
I have obscene language further. There are only mats for eight A4 pages.

[Evil 55]

Kinder, Kyuche, Kirche - three female professions ... they are driving a car, like a monkey with a grenade ... no, they were allowed to independently patrol as part of the crew.

[Region-25.rus]

Te .... and in which case the BZhS themselves will lead? Put the plaster there and squeeze, for example, if something happens? There physical strength is needed (with all due respect to the female sex).

[askort154]

The formation of the first female crew of the Raptor patrol boat was announced as an experiment in early March 2020, and the decision was made by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

Something Seryoga, either does not breathe evenly towards the female sex, and wants female crews to "ride" them on boats, or, and rather the second - "according to statistics for 10 girls, already less than 9 guys." Last year, I organized the recruitment of girls to the flight school, today in the Navy. What is typical, not in "service structures", but in combat.

[Normal ok]

"Take care of women,
beware of women ...
Yu. Antonov. Film "Take care of women".
PS. Who did not hide from them, shout hurray !!))

[Vladimir61]

Sailors and challenging! All have a diamond of higher education. Well done!

[Gnefredov]

The topic is bad. The topic is bad.
Tell me, shipbuilders, how many of you remember the name of Sergei Preminin?
Никто.
While in a cruiser falling into the abyss, this guy did the impossible.
What kind of women? Here (above) someone caustically noted (as a roller rolled) on the Minister of Defense.
And he did it right.
—
We still lacked women at the time of decision-making.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Gnefredov

We still lacked women at the time of decision-making.

Do you know an unfamiliar comrade that during the Second World War, the crews of three female aviation regiments made the necessary decisions and burned in planes? And how many women fought at the front as snipers, scouts, rescued the wounded, partisan and participated in the underground. They made their decision already when some "men" were looking for an opportunity to evade the draft.

[Gnefredov]

Vladimir, good morning and welcome!
Of course, I am aware of the exploits of our women. And Masha Poryvaeva left a trace in history, not every man can do this. Iron will and absolute conviction in the correctness of the choice made.
Here you can endlessly reveal the topic. My message, however, lies elsewhere. Women must rule the house. Keep the family home. It's trivial to feed your husband. Delicious and satisfying. I strongly protest against their use in military science (the coma of those moments when it is "deadly necessary").
—
In pursuit. This is not my first year at VO. If you are confused by my comments (and the "worm of doubt" has crept in), drain it down the toilet. I am from the Soviet Union and that says it all.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Gnefredov

Vladimir, good morning and welcome!

Good morning to you! Yes, women are the guardians of the family hearth, but alas, this is a common excuse for "strong" men. We just do not want to admit to ourselves that in fact, women are considered as servants. But, not all of them agree with this position, many continue the work of their fathers and grandfathers, and why hide - some of them have "eggs" stronger than many modern men.
Your comments do not bother me, I, too, come from the USSR.
Yours!

[yriuv62]

I wonder why this is? That there are not enough men in the country? Or gender games are going on in European style.

[Petrol cutter]

Do we need a patrol boat with a female crew?!.
Besides, if my eyes haven't completely refused me ...
Out of five people, at least two are not women! Or, they are women, but they hide it strongly. What a twist...

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Benzorez

Out of five people, at least two are not women! Or, they are women, but they hide it strongly. What a twist...

Apparently the eyes refused, since, in the article it is written

during the experiment, the crew of the boat, consisting of three female military personnel

and information about the "Raptor" is available - "Crew 3 + 20".

[Reviews]

An interesting uproar arose. As if all the indignant heard about this for the first time. :) This was not invented yesterday, and not even the day before yesterday. Since the 1930s, it was the predecessor of the Russian Federation - the USSR - that surprised (and probably outraged someone) the whole world with purely female crews of record aircraft, for example. A textbook example - Osipenko, Grizodubova, Raskova - but there were others. And then they raised a surprised cry, as if it was something unseen. :)

[Mimino]

One question - why?

[Petrol cutter]

Well, in the articles they write a lot. On "Sargan" (which is much smaller), the team is six people. I didn’t think for sure, there was no need for it. Right now, by the way, they are wandering around the plant.
They brought the "Sargans" for revisions ... Yes, and for the head, when the "Raptor" from Kerch came in terms of support. Again, I didn't consider it unnecessary, but there were more than three sailors running to the people ...

[ankir13]

What for? In which case ..... All the same, only the boatswain will remain ...

[Ela myaushkina]

Quote: Gnefredov

"A good start".
What a good start? I don't see anything good here. To feed the lice in the trenches? It's good? Is defecating under yourself cool? Yes? It must be so sexy. Yes?
You, dear individual (your gender is "violet" to me), have never seen or smelled a war if you write that.
Yes, and thank God.
—
Pancake. Are there combat officers here?
Explain to this miracle that she is delusional.

A woman can be just as good a soldier or a fighter, no matter what kind of troops, if she was not brought up in the spirit - you are a girl. From what, after a year, she is not capable of anything like standing in the kitchen at the stove or being a pleasurable man in bed, and at the same time has typically female interests, which are interesting to communicate to the same women brought up in the spirit of a girl. And in war, all soldiers or fighters, regardless of gender, and you must be able to defend yourself as well as kill an enemy who threatens you directly.

So I don’t need to argue here that being a soldier or a fighter is not a woman's face and not for women.