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"The second economy and the second army in the world": the US is concerned about the rapprochement between China and Russia

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"The second economy and the second army in the world": the US is concerned about the rapprochement between China and Russia

Attempts by the United States, the most powerful country, to lead allies and other states in the world as its vassals have failed. And the main failure of the United States is the rapprochement of Russia and China, the former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan Doug Bandow is convinced, writes The National Interest.


The most threatening for the United States is the increasingly close ties between China and Russia, the author writes. Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping held more than 30 personal meetings, and the PRC leader called on both countries to "oppose hegemony and unilateralism," meaning, of course, the United States. The "arrogance of the United States," Bandow is convinced, drove them to make friends, and economic pressures drew closer together.

At the same time, countries cooperate not only in the economic sphere, but also in the military sphere, increasing their ability to "project power and limit the dominance of the United States."

Now even staunch supporters of America's rampant supremacy are getting nervous over the collaboration of the world's second largest economy and the world's second strongest army.

- declares the author.

In his opinion, the American authorities need to end the policy of confrontation with Russia and sit down at the negotiating table in order to find compromises that will suit both sides. As an example, Bandow proposes to announce the end of NATO expansion or to recognize de facto the annexation of Crimea. At the same time, he emphasizes that the United States does not face the task of making Russia its ally, the main thing is that it does not become an ally of China.
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  1. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 12 September 2020 13: 10 New
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    The US and the EU are doing everything to make Russia go to the East. The West is a dead-end branch of human development.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 12 September 2020 13: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The US and the EU are doing everything to make Russia go to the East

      Although they really don't need it
      This striped squeeze us out of there
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 12 September 2020 13: 28 New
        0
        And they simply are not able to think sensibly. Politicians work for the public. As long as there is a topic: Russia is an enemy, these will continue to exploit it.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 12 September 2020 13: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          While there is a topic: Russia is an enemy, these will continue to exploit it.

          They simply cannot exist without the "enemy"
          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 13 September 2020 09: 55 New
            0
            As an example, Bandow proposes to announce the end of NATO expansion or to recognize de facto the annexation of Crimea.

            As if there is already room for expansion.
            Typical American "concessions" for idiots. To recognize what cannot be changed or what has already happened in the form of concessions ...
            Look for fools at home ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 13: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The US and the EU are doing everything to make Russia go to the East. The West is a dead-end branch of human development.

      They did it in December 1991.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 12 September 2020 15: 44 New
        +5
        Bandow did not indicate the main task that the United States pursues. To remain the global hegemon, the United States needs to ensure that Eurasia does not unite into a single economic union. After all, our continent has everything: half of the world's population (if not more), raw materials, technologies, and we can feed ourselves. The United States will remain on the periphery with its dollar and the military-industrial complex. That is why they are running around with their club, sanctions and the dollar. The tactics turned out to be wrong.
        It was necessary to become a peacemaker. Then many countries would "bury" their military-industrial complex. But by running around with a club, they forced others to develop it. Even the "allies" in the EU were concerned about this ... The dollar would remain the main reserve currency. But watered. pressure and sanctions policy of the States forced others to switch to nat. currency. The national debt is growing and they are unlikely to be able to pay off ... And against this background, internal problems are growing. hi
        1. vVvAD
          vVvAD 12 September 2020 18: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          Bandow did not indicate the main task that the United States pursues.

          I mean, didn't you? Read between the lines and draw conclusions:
          the main thing is that he does not become an ally of China


          In his opinion, the American authorities need to end the policy of confrontation with Russia and sit down at the negotiating table in order to find compromises that will suit both sides. As an example, Bandow proposes to announce the end of NATO expansion or to recognize de facto the annexation of Crimea.

          Trump, as a selfish national leader from real politic, might be happy, but other branches of the US government will not allow him to do this so easily.
          Although, yes: the first 2 points would be useful to everyone.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 12 September 2020 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          Bandow did not indicate the main task that the United States pursues. To remain the global hegemon, the United States needs to ensure that Eurasia does not unite into a single economic union.

          This Badnow simply duplicated the concern, while Kissinger spoke about the goal pursued by the United States a little earlier when he made a voyage to Russia and China last year, following which he made a statement - "Our goal is that we are in in the foreseeable future, they were able to do so that relations between Beijing and Washington, relations between Moscow and Washington, would become better than relations between Beijing and Moscow "(not literally, but somehow), which implies that the mattresses will try to drive a wedge in relations between the PRC and RF. Apparently, Xi and VVP also understand this very well and know well another phrase of the same Kissinger - "It is dangerous to be at war with the US ... But it is mortally dangerous to be friends with the US" as well as the phrase - "We do illegal things immediately. Anti-constitutional requires a little more time." , and therefore will not be led by the mattresses and will be able to resist their attempts to aggravate the contradictions between China and Russia.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 13 September 2020 10: 59 New
          +1
          How much has been said! There is where to roam in verbiage ... laughing
          Quote: Kasym
          our continent has everything:

          In Greece? - Greece has everything! (from)

          What does geopolitics say? - Who owns HARTLAND, he owns the world. (H.J. Mackinder) And this is Eurasia. Therefore, the Yankees climb into Europe.
          The US will remain on the periphery with its dollar and the military-industrial complex.
          The United States is the main center of power and industrial production ... The periphery - Africa and Latin America, which quickly get into the hands of TNCs: territory, labor, resources and raw materials ...
          running around with their club, sanctions and dollar.
          Well, as they say, that they have ... But seriously, the empire cannot behave differently.
          The tactics turned out to be wrong.
          It was necessary to become a peacemaker.
          Tigers don't eat cabbage! An aggressor cannot be a peacemaker by definition!
          many countries would "bury" their military-industrial complex.
          The military-industrial complex is a separate topic. the Yankees buried all the other military-industrial complex satellites in the competition for markets and the quality of weapons produced, which is the quintessence of science, technology and technology.
          The dollar would remain the primary reserve currency.
          So it seems to be that way and remains ... And then there is the pound and the euro, the yuan climbs in the same place (in the sense of the currency basket) ... There is only our beloved, wooden ruble ... bllyaya. The Belarusian bunny is even heavier than it, although there is no security ... Circus, and nothing more!
          polit. pressure and sanctions policy of the States forced others to go to the nat. currency.
          It is necessary to add - in case of mutual settlements, and then if they agree. And at mn markets you can shove your tugriks into this one, like her .. Aha!
          I remembered: - OPU! (very popular hideout laughing ) - in-oh-oh-oh-oh-t ...
          The national debt is growing and they are unlikely to be able to pay off ...
          And external - too! But the Yankees are not going to settle accounts on it ... Now they will get into a small "laundry" with China. They will declare him an enemy of the nation and forgive him all their debts! The logic is as simple as 3 rubles: ENEMIES DO NOT GIVE DEBTS !!!
          internal problems are growing.
          Damn, what will happen there when the Democrats do not recognize the election results !? This, perhaps, will be worse than September 9!
          Well, I think he coughed up everything. AHA.laughing
      2. SAG
        SAG 13 September 2020 00: 34 New
        0
        "The second economy and the second army in the world": the US is concerned about the rapprochement between China and Russia

        The second army in the world is apparently Chinese, since our army is the most combat-ready. And who, then, do the 3.14ndos mean by the 2nd economy of the world, if China has been the 1st for more than a year?!? ... what belay
    3. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 21: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The US and the EU are doing everything to make Russia go to the East. The West is a dead-end branch of human development.

      Can be shorter
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      West is a dead end branch
    4. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 13 September 2020 01: 33 New
      -3
      Russia went to the East

      Yeah. I collected my belongings and went-ah-ah ...
      Russia is the west. We descended from Europeans and we are such, no matter what anyone imagines there. Russia is the path from the Varangians to the Greeks, that is, from one part of Europe to another part of it. And do not fucking invent all sorts of "insanity" in the manner of "Zadornyashki". The comedian is good only for fun and nothing more.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 September 2020 11: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Angelo Provolone
        Russia is the west.

        Girl, graduated from school, or ischo study? fool
        If ischo uchissi, look at the textbook of geography, you can look at the atlas, or crawl across the globe ...
        Just don't confuse the sides with each other ... straighten your head with a beer, with utrezza, ... and focus in the eyepieces ... Find there 1/7 of the land and determine its MIDDLE position in HARDLAND!
        Dvoeshnitsa! am
        We descended from Europeans and we are such, no matter what anyone imagines there.
        I say: - two-ech-no-tsa! laughing
        It was the Europeans who descended from us, after the poles turned over and Hyperborea ceased to exist, and the people inhabiting it were forced to develop new territories ...
        In short, learn your lessons, Angelica. yes
        1. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 13 September 2020 12: 28 New
          0
          Can you and Chinese, judging by the emo splash
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 13 September 2020 15: 15 New
            +1
            Nope ... I am a Chukchi ... a polar reindeer breeder. tongue
            AHA.
            1. Angelo Provolone
              Angelo Provolone 14 September 2020 04: 05 New
              -1
              I am a Chukchi

              What have the Chukchi done to you that you insult them so?
      2. Dima68
        Dima68 13 September 2020 15: 27 New
        0
        RI and the USSR were in the West, but Russia is no longer. After the departure of the southern and western branches of the Russian people, the Turkic origin begins to pull us to the east.
        1. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 14 September 2020 04: 10 New
          0
          After the departure of the southern and western branches of the Russian people, the Turkic origin begins to drag us to the east

          Are you a Muslim, do you have a lot of people from Central Asia in your family? What is pulling you personally to the east?
          I like the climate there, Asian cuisine, for example, but I'm not comfortable living there. Other culture.
    5. archergoo
      archergoo 13 September 2020 12: 33 New
      0
      do not talk nonsense, the West is simply lost, it can still be helped and this is the mission of Russia, to become the moral guideline of the new world. The hysterical policy of Western countries must be opposed with composure and prudence.
      1. Angelo Provolone
        Angelo Provolone 14 September 2020 04: 12 New
        0
        moral guide

        Yeah...
        If we are to show Kuzkin's mother, so in everything. Even in morality.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 September 2020 13: 16 New
    -2
    "The second economy and the second army in the world": the US is concerned about the rapprochement between China and Russia
    Well, this is how you look at the expense of the second economy and the second army. wink What to measure so to speak. If the ability to kill all life on the planet so it is still possible to argue about who there occupies what place. Also about the economy "second" Tell me better that this rapprochement is very somehow imperceptible for those who are approaching. That would be yes. Although just now there was news about such an alliance in the Pacific region against China itself. Who knows. Maybe this will push the leadership towards such an alliance. Then it will be compared to the call of the first atomic bomb.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 September 2020 13: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      this rapprochement is very somehow imperceptible especially for those who are approaching.
      Especially from China ... Toko loves our ice cream ...
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 12 September 2020 14: 54 New
        -2
        Well, you look at the volume of trade. Our chicken, wheat, pastry, equipment for nuclear power plants, mining equipment are also very welcome, as are aircraft engines.
        1. mvg
          mvg 12 September 2020 17: 23 New
          +4
          Well you look at the volume of turnover

          Yes, yes, about 5 (five) times less trade between China and the United States. At the same time, they carry goods through a puddle, and we are neighbors with the yellow ones. We love to sell crude oil, gas, timber, metal. Instead of electronics and sneakers. Well at least not beads. About mining equipment neighing .. ATP.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 12 September 2020 13: 27 New
      -2
      Well, like this. The United States fears unnecessary ties between the Chinese and Russians ... if they unite, of course there will be a second economy ...
      1. ultra
        ultra 12 September 2020 13: 42 New
        10
        China, in the real sector, has long been the first economy. 40% of US GDP is a financial bubble.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 12 September 2020 13: 51 New
          0
          It's hard for the Chinese. All the same, as I think, they themselves psychologically cannot become the first ...
          The second due to the number may be.
          1. ultra
            ultra 12 September 2020 14: 03 New
            +5
            Of course, the Chinese do not pull the role of a "world" leader, but economically, as a "world" factory, they have long been the first. Exactly as a factory.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 12 September 2020 15: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: ultra
              Of course, the Chinese do not pull the role of a "world" leader, but economically, as a "world" factory, they have long been the first. Exactly as a factory.

              In industrial production, yes, the Chinese are the first.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 13: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Of course, a military alliance is another matter. That would be yes.

      China now does not need an alliance, they need a country that supports China. The West Russia cannot support at this stage, China is the same, but at this stage China is closer than the West.
    4. vVvAD
      vVvAD 12 September 2020 18: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Well, this is how you look at the expense of the second economy and the second army. wink

      Americans like it simpler: ratings are just that. Well, you can always cheat wink
      Quote: Observer2014
      Better tell me that this rapprochement is very somehow imperceptible for those who are approaching

      Rapprochement in different areas with different strengths. Look at the diplomatic agenda, monetary strategy (gold wink) and the geopolitical vector - everything is synchronized there. In economic terms, it is generally weaker, but, on the other hand, we cooperate, rather than compete, and develop joint projects. Yes, neither shaky nor shaky, because for China we are not the biggest partner and sales market - the western and domestic are already larger. But they are interested in our oil and gas sector and foodstuffs, as well as in their automotive industry and in our 5G, in joint communication projects (joint infrastructure of the "autonomous Internet", etc.). And yet there is simply no urgent need for a military alliance. In case of such, it will be issued very quickly, because interaction of departments is carried out at a very high level.
      Well, or simply made public bully
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 12 September 2020 18: 30 New
        -1
        And yet there is simply no urgent need for a military alliance. If such occurs, it will be issued very quickly, because interaction of departments is carried out at a very high level.
        Or simply bully made public
        Interesting opinion. Hmm, it will be necessary to carefully monitor what is happening. I remember the Chinese, three or four years ago, pulled up their strategic forces directly to the border of the Russian Federation, thereby hiding them from a possible strike behind the geographic protrusion of the border of the Russian Federation At the time of their crisis with the United States in the Far East of the Khabarovsk Territory. Many of the near-minded here I remember raising a screech. laughingBut that is. I then suspected that most likely the way it is, as you typed. Plus the teachings on a regular basis, and so on, etc. And you know, I agree with you.
        Well, or simply made public
        yes
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 12 September 2020 22: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Observer2014
          I remember the Chinese, three or four years ago, pulled up their strategic forces directly to the border of the Russian Federation, thereby hiding them from a possible strike beyond the geographic protrusion of the border of the Russian Federation. At the time of their crisis with the United States in the Far East of the Khabarovsk Territory.

          Then, because of Eun's tricks, the United States placed its THAADs in the South Caucasus, which became a threat to the PLA's missile forces, so ours hid them under their "umbrella" of anti-missile defense ... in the event of an escalation, the United States will deal immediately with China and Russia ...
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 September 2020 00: 28 New
          +2
          "The Chinese, three or four years ago, pulled up their strategic forces directly to the border of the Russian Federation, thereby hiding them from a possible strike behind the geographic protrusion of the border of the Russian Federation" ////
          ----
          The positions of the launching Chinese ICBMs are known, they are clearly visible on Google maps.
          They are in the middle of China, in the northern part, near the border with Russia.
          If the Americans decide to hit them with their Minutemans, then the trajectory
          The warhead will fly over the Far East of Russia. And Russia may reasonably be
          take it for a nuclear attack on her. So, the Chinese are not at all simple.
          Now the Americans are seriously concerned about these ICBMs.
          And they are preparing the release of medium-range missiles, which will be installed in the south-western
          parts of the Pacific Ocean. Their trajectory will be strictly over the territory of China.
          And Russia will not be drawn into someone else's nuclear conflict.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 13 September 2020 11: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            If the Americans decide to hit them with their Minutemans,

            The Yankees so far solve this problem with the help of Tridents with low-power BB. Two SSBNs are already on patrol in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. At the same time, not only the PRC, but also the Kims with their pukals are under the gun. For the North Koreans are more "decisive" they have nothing to lose - they have nothing! Proletarians in one word. laughing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 September 2020 11: 56 New
              +2
              It's right. But submarines are not the most reliable thing.
              Missile carriers are hunted by submarines - missile carrier fighters.
              And missile carriers must launch ICBMs from a certain depth
              at certain points, swimming at a certain speed.
              If the fighter interferes with these conditions, then
              missiles can miss. Auto-correction is limited.
              Another thing from the mine: shot - astonavigatsiya - hit. Reliable.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 13 September 2020 13: 05 New
                0
                A couple of remarks.
                1. The State Plarb is by far the most reliable beater in the hands of the Yankees. The D5 is more perfect than the Minutemans 3, at a range of 5000 km it provides an SKVO of 90 m.
                2. Chinese submarines can be heard from a hundred miles away, so Gadgets are not afraid of them. And, secondly, they go about providing PLA. Elk or Virgin can easily solve the problem of covering the "cow".
                3. About the "starting corridor" at you wrote great ... thanks for enlightening, otherwise I think: and how are they orphaned from under the water, then shoot !? That's just about "certain points" you, this, that ... got a little excited ... And you forgot to mention about the GMU, about the roughness of the sea and the force of the wind on the surface ... But nothing, this is fixable - look in the textbook or to Mina-Rudolph (in extreme cases, to a cepmor) contact ... they - they will prompt, correct, give a try, finally!
                Yes, well, so as not to upset you at all, about "certain points" - these are the first samples of the BZHRK with the Well done at the reference points bowed. And then, then the INC was installed, and everything became much easier ...
                4. About fighters, this is also strong ... On 01, 02 avics there are no such ones yet ... They are preparing YI-31 for 03. When it will be, it is not yet known ... Well, I also don’t remember that Fighters with depth charges flew ...
                5. "Auto-correction is limited". And what kind of animal is this? ASTRO correction - I know, GPS correction - too, but AUTO correction - I don't know ... (Car repair, or what !?) or Author's correction, over the novel, well, I admit ... But what does it have to do with SLBM ? Well, and for that matter, our old D9 chose errors in aiming for K up to 3,0 *; locally - up to 10 miles ...
                I do not think that the Yankees are worse ... So, about the "limited" - not a test!
                6. "Another thing from the mine: fired" ... Yeah, the bearing of the fire is known, the aiming point is practically the same ... the missile defense system, and also the RDG can be sent ... Yes, and the BSBM, in contrast to the ICBM, the Chinese can intercept ... They will buy our S-500 and bristle ...
                7. "Reliable." Nope ... Reliably and with a guarantee only at the cemetery ... And where there is equipment, anything can happen ... Should I tell you, "Voyake uh", about this! Remember how many "broken arrows" incidents the Yankees had ...
                So, sorry, I didn't.
                Sincerely, Boa. hi
          2. Observer2014
            Observer2014 13 September 2020 20: 16 New
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "The Chinese, three or four years ago, pulled up their strategic forces directly to the border of the Russian Federation, thereby hiding them from a possible strike behind the geographic protrusion of the border of the Russian Federation" ////
            ----
            The positions of the launching Chinese ICBMs are known, they are clearly visible on Google maps.
            They are in the middle of China, in the northern part, near the border with Russia.
            If the Americans decide to hit them with their Minutemans, then the trajectory
            The warhead will fly over the Far East of Russia. And Russia may reasonably be
            take it for a nuclear attack on her. So, the Chinese are not at all simple.
            Now the Americans are seriously concerned about these ICBMs.
            And they are preparing the release of medium-range missiles, which will be installed in the south-western
            parts of the Pacific Ocean. Their trajectory will be strictly over the territory of China.
            And Russia will not be drawn into someone else's nuclear conflict.

            It is pleasant and interesting to communicate with an understanding person yes hi
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 September 2020 13: 17 New
    +5
    the principle of divide and rule has failed ... the centuries-old Chinese civilization does not forgive arrogance and disdain (just like Khrushchev when the delegation left the XX Congress demonstratively) ... now many in America understand this BUT the inertia of power is very high ... and the desire to fix relations with China is not on the agenda ...
    as far as we are allies with China ... well, just as far as the interests of the current moment and individual strategic goals coincide ... we must constantly take this into account
    1. vVvAD
      vVvAD 12 September 2020 18: 30 New
      0
      China thinks in eras, and their strategic goals are for a long time, and
      Quote: silberwolf88
      ... you have to keep this in mind

      Another thing is that the East is a delicate matter. Some of their goals are known only to themselves.
      But in the medium-term prospect of building a multipolar world, if nothing fundamentally changes, they can be considered allies in terms of security and diplomacy. As for the economy - well, this is: they are not engaged in charity. I mean that now they perceive Russia as an economic loser, comparing it with the Stalinist period: given the fact that they managed to return the country from the post-war devastation and help China in the same, providing it with a technological leap, create a powerful bloc in opposition to the West, having an economic advantage, and having a technological one. Until Russia takes its rightful place in the world economy, China's attitude towards us on this issue (and where this one, there and others) will be somewhat condescending.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 September 2020 13: 23 New
    0
    30 years have been bullied, that's enough. drinks
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2020 13: 24 New
    +2
    Are there sane people there (in the hegemony)? Who understand, "... where the fate of events takes us ..."
    Yes, only these sane there are in a catastrophic minority ...
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 September 2020 22: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, only these sane there are in a catastrophic minority ...

      When you are not in public office, it is easy to be "sane" because already for that you are not responsible ...
  6. sleeve
    sleeve 12 September 2020 13: 28 New
    +1
    Boo! Fearfully? And also it is not clear ... Byzantines with yellow sages. The point cuts the air into slices involuntarily.
  7. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 12 September 2020 13: 28 New
    +1
    In his opinion, the American authorities need to end the policy of confrontation with Russia and sit down at the negotiating table,

    So they still do not fulfill the contracts
    1. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 21: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      In his opinion, the American authorities need to end the policy of confrontation with Russia and sit down at the negotiating table,

      So they still do not fulfill the contracts

      Yes, they only fulfill agreements that are beneficial to them.
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 12 September 2020 13: 49 New
    -8
    It's better to be a vassal of China than not understand what the states have.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: evgen1221
      It's better to be a vassal of China than don't understand what the states have

      Don't tell me!
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 12 September 2020 14: 07 New
    +2
    As an example, Bandow proposes to announce the end of NATO expansion or to recognize de facto the annexation of Crimea.
    Generously...
    1. RVAPatriot
      RVAPatriot 12 September 2020 15: 54 New
      +1
      We have already said about NATO once. Until the documents spell it out, these words are just another exhaust of believers that they will be taken at their word ... Already believed, maybe that's enough ??
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 12 September 2020 16: 05 New
        +1
        Gee .. Yes, let them sign at least in blood, but Nata has ALREADY expanded ... And they will still violate it ..
        1. RVAPatriot
          RVAPatriot 12 September 2020 16: 07 New
          +1
          There is nowhere else to expand, only Belarus is left ... Although they can take Zimbabwe into NATO, etc. And also penguins))
          1. Clear
            Clear 12 September 2020 21: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: RVAPatriot
            Although they can take Zimbabwe into NATO, etc. And also penguins))

            NATO stomach may not digest no
  10. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 14: 10 New
    +2
    "The second economy and the second army in the world": the US is concerned about the rapprochement between China and Russia

    This concern may be premature.
    What does rapprochement with China bring to Russia? The flooding of the Russian market with Chinese consumer goods (they will not be able to provide technology, since they themselves use stolen goods) and the continuation of the withdrawal of Russian natural resources in unlimited quantities without the prospect of restoration and replacement for the needs of the Chinese population. Further degradation of the economy of Siberia and the Far East, the settlement of territories by small (one and a half to two hundred people) groups of Chinese migrants and further demographic incidents with the disappearance of the population?
    Not a bad rapprochement ... For China ...
    I do not think that the Chinese military will defend Russia's interests in the international arena with fury and selflessness. I just don't believe in that.
    And, already, imposed by taxes and taxes, working until his last breath, a Russian will simply be happy to get into double bondage. We have forgotten how we once provided assistance to the PRC in the USSR and how it turned out ...
  11. Adimius38
    Adimius38 12 September 2020 14: 13 New
    +2
    The problem is that China is far from our ally, but the United States is making a big mistake by constantly making Russia its enemy, instead of finding a common language with Russia.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 13 September 2020 11: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Adimius38
      The problem is that China is far from our ally, but the United States is making a big mistake by constantly making Russia its enemy, instead of finding a common language with Russia.

      In the US-RUSSIA-PRC triangle, Russia plays a key role. The United States and China, being in opposition to tip the scales in their favor, are trying to win Russia over to their side. But we have friendly relations with China, and sanctions with the Yankees. Well, what do the cowboys want after that?
      (Well, d-e-e-e-e! (C)
  12. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 12 September 2020 14: 30 New
    +2
    The US policy towards our country will not change, even though its president declares himself a friend of Russia forever and ever, China and we use us as a profitable ride, the most important thing is not to allow the interests of the PRC and the United States to coincide with respect to policy in the Russian direction, then we will have a hard time , so you have to feed the Chinese with delicious cookies from time to time
  13. BABAY22
    BABAY22 12 September 2020 14: 45 New
    12
    In his opinion, the American authorities need to end the policy of confrontation with Russia and sit down at the negotiating table in order to find compromises that will suit both sides.

    No, well, even in this phrase it was not without its exclusivity and world hegemony.
    Let's read it carefully. Writes; "to sit down at the negotiating table".
    And you, exceptional gentlemen, have forgotten to ask Russia whether she will sit with you at the same table?
    Maybe it was worthwhile to say competently and tolerantly: "OFFER Russia to sit down at the negotiating table, recognize Crimea, for its part, get out of the Baltic misunderstanding, Ukraine and Poland ..."
    These would be the words of people who admit their mistakes and are able to make compromises.
    But no. Exclusivity shines through.
  14. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 12 September 2020 14: 53 New
    +2
    second army in the world
    only if we take into account the strategic nuclear forces, China's conventional forces are perhaps already stronger than ours, one fleet is worth something.
  15. venik
    venik 12 September 2020 15: 02 New
    +4
    ".....Now even staunch supporters of America's rampant supremacy are getting nervous about cooperation. second the world's largest economy and second the strongest army in the world .... "
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    LITTLE brat!
    first: The Chinese economy has long overtaken the "US" one!
    Second: As for the fact that the Russian army is SECOND (yielding, of course, to the "shtatovskaya") - it is only "they" who think so !!!
    This is the point not in quantity "dough" spent on "defense" - here and another! Vaughn - the poor "Houthis" - "give it away" the most expensive (in the Middle East) the Saudi army !! And HOW they give!
    So, what "the former special assistant" is "cunning" !!! Or "radically mistaken"!
    1. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 21: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: venik
      LITTLE brat!

      Vladimir, you did not take into account the formidable weapon of the United States, this is ... Bruce Willis with a bat angry
      1. venik
        venik 12 September 2020 22: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Clear
        Vladimir, you did not take into account the formidable weapon of the United States, this is ... Bruce Willis with a bat

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        I confess ..... I am already beginning to be afraid .... Although .... This goat is older than me! Should you be afraid? Okay, horseradish (plant - for moderators) with him! Ready to grapple! angry laughing
  16. 123456789
    123456789 12 September 2020 15: 03 New
    +2
    Russia has only two allies: its army and navy.
    The words of the Russian emperor Alexander III Peacemaker (1845-1894), in which he expressed his foreign policy credo.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 12 September 2020 15: 10 New
      -1
      Russia has only two allies: its army and navy.
      well then, about one and a half, our fleet is already difficult to compare with the army, or two, but one of them is disabled
    2. venik
      venik 12 September 2020 21: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: 123456789
      Russia has only two allies: its army and navy.

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      THREE! Three allies! Just then still VCS did not have! good drinks
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 September 2020 22: 33 New
      +1
      Those were his words.
      But in fact, he signed the Franco-Russian treaty of 1891,
      quickly became a military alliance. In 1907 he was joined by
      England, and the Entente was formed.
      On the basis of this treaty, France dragged Russia into the World War.
      1. nks
        nks 13 September 2020 11: 09 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        On the basis of this treaty, France dragged Russia into the World War.

        The myth is surprisingly ridiculous in its persistence, given that Germany declared war on the Republic of Ingushetia before France, and France declared war on Austria-Hungary in response to the declaration of that war on the Republic of Ingushetia. This is not counting less obvious factors (you can trace the history of various ultimatums and other threats the day before)
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 September 2020 12: 10 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        But in fact, he signed the Franco-Russian treaty of 1891 ... On the basis of this treaty, France dragged Russia into the World War.

        Everything is so ... That is why you should not go into a military alliance with the Khunfuz. To be friends - yes. But at a distance. Otherwise, our ICBMs will have to burn the tail of cowboys and their clients ... But a war on 2 fronts - no, we will not pull. An example of Germany before our eyes. And the Deutschers, like the Russians, know a lot about military affairs! Teutons, in a word.
        AHA.
  17. rotfuks
    rotfuks 12 September 2020 15: 21 New
    +1
    Are you hinting that the first economy in the United States and the first army in the United States? It is difficult to call the American army the best when it has not won a single war. Better economy is also debatable. When a flag made of Chinese fabric and a flag on a flagpole made in China fly over the White House What kind of economy is this? And what an economy that cannot provide its own citizens with protective masks against COVID 19 and sends planes full of money to the unloved China to buy masks.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 12 September 2020 15: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: rotfuks
      Are you hinting that the first economy in the United States and the first army in the United States?

      Don't look for common sense where it hasn't been for a long time.
    2. venik
      venik 12 September 2020 22: 26 New
      0
      Quote: rotfuks
      It is difficult to call the American army the best when it has not won a single war.

      Quote: rotfuks
      When a flag made of Chinese fabric and a flag on a pole made in China fly over the White House What kind of economy is this?

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      good Neither add nor subtract! drinks
  18. Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 September 2020 15: 27 New
    +2
    The USA is not the first economy in the world for a long time!
  19. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 12 September 2020 16: 57 New
    -1
    Wait, we'll arrange for you! You will answer us for everything!
    1. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 21: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Connor MacLeod
      Wait, we'll arrange for you! You will answer us for everything!

      Yes, Zhenya will send a parcel with unwashed socks to the US Congress. Let them know. lol
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 13 September 2020 01: 48 New
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  20. fa2998
    fa2998 12 September 2020 17: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: Observer2014
    this rapprochement is very somehow imperceptible especially for those who are approaching.
    Especially from China ... Toko loves our ice cream ...

    Authors do not need to fantasize! China will NEVER go for rapprochement with Russia, to the detriment of relations with the US !!! and you can buy several samples of weapons for copying. The amounts are incomparable, by an order of magnitude (and more)
    1. fif21
      fif21 12 September 2020 20: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: fa2998
      The authors do not need to fantasize! China will NEVER agree to rapprochement with Russia, to the detriment of relations with the United States !!!

      The relationship of the United States to the PRC is such (disputes in the South China Sea, non-recognition of Taiwan as part of the PRC, sanctions against Chinese companies ...) so that the PRC is forced to seek rapprochement with countries that do not recognize the primacy of the United States. hi
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 12 September 2020 21: 53 New
        +2
        this is political blackmail and nothing more. The author who wrote above is right, China will never agree to rapprochement with Russia to the detriment of relations with the United States. And all recent events over the past few years have shown this perfectly. The Chinese economy is closely tied into one tangle with the US economy, while Russia for China is an oil and gas pipe and nothing more, from where you can pump out resources for a penny and in return saturate its market with cheap Chinese disposable consumer goods. Of course, the Chinese leader will smile sweetly and drink vodka with the Russian leader, because he, as they say, takes this opportunity to receive gold, diamonds, timber, oil and gas from Russia at bargain prices, and in return sends full wagons of Chinese junk. But no one has yet raised the question of how many Chinese illegal immigrants are in the border regions of Russia and whether it will not work out for us later. After all, a very unpleasant story with Damansky Island already happened when the Chinese "comrades" called it their territory and shot our border guards point-blank, then mutilated the bodies of our guys. Therefore, China has never been and will never be our ally. only temporary coincidence of interests is possible and no more
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 September 2020 19: 03 New
    +1
    convinced former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan Doug Bandow,
    As the former, so
    As an example, Bandow proposes to announce the end of NATO expansion or to recognize de facto the annexation of Crimea.
    And what in return from us, for the next chatter and promises from the United States?
    angry
  22. fif21
    fif21 12 September 2020 20: 48 New
    +1
    The first world economy and the first world army (the PRC and the Russian Federation), despite the difference in political systems, found a common language, the language of respect for the interests of a partner. Unfortunately, the United States does not speak this language, and therefore they will get rid of Lyulu! The Munich speech of the GDP is confirmation of this. Moving NATO to the east, the mattresses signed their own death warrant, and the sanctions against the Russian Federation killed the last illusion of Russian business. hi
  23. fa2998
    fa2998 12 September 2020 21: 04 New
    0
    Quote: fif21
    Quote: fa2998
    The authors do not need to fantasize! China will NEVER agree to rapprochement with Russia, to the detriment of relations with the United States !!!

    The relationship of the United States to the PRC is such (disputes in the South China Sea, non-recognition of Taiwan as part of the PRC, sanctions against Chinese companies ...) so that the PRC is forced to seek rapprochement with countries that do not recognize the primacy of the United States. hi

    The darlings swear, just amuse themselves! Pay attention to the interstate trade, and investments in the US government bonds. Only numbers. Without angry words. yes hi
    PS-and compare with volumes with Russia
  24. spectr
    spectr 13 September 2020 10: 19 New
    -1
    Rather, they are afraid of what could remain in our "store" (especially after the demonstration of "Vanguard"). In the 90s, part of the development was given to the Americans for "pennies". Now we are sharing with China.
    The only inconvenience is that in the course of such cooperation China turns out to be "in the black", while Russia is "not in the red" so far.
  25. NF68
    NF68 13 September 2020 16: 09 New
    0
    You yourself are forcing them to come closer.
  26. Mmm.
    Mmm. 13 September 2020 23: 07 New
    0
    How can we come to an agreement with the United States and about what, if they believe that we should not exist in principle, on the other hand, who, on behalf of "our" name, will agree on what, then certainly not in Our interests.