Is there a way out of the Belarusian impasse?

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I am always amazed at the inconsistency of a person. A person can become an executioner only because he considers the execution of a criminal a just measure to protect society from exactly the same killer, but standing on the other side of the law. Even a whole philosophical system of views has been invented, which explains that murder, execution, death of people in war are different things. That to kill an enemy is like not to kill, but just pat on the head.

I was silent long enough. This has nothing to do with any intrigues of the special services or anyone else. It was just disgusting to write about things that are obvious, but which, for some reason completely incomprehensible to me, are hardly visible to anyone. I confess, I delved into the Belarusian topic. I was even going to visit this country, but stopped in time.



Taking into account my personal understanding of the development of the situation in Ukraine, it’s just interesting for me to look at the complete degeneration of Belarusians. When this happened in Ukraine, I “cooked” with the Ukrainians. Therefore, I could not see everything globally. No matter what friends and enemies tell me about their own vision of the situation, a participant in the events, even an outsider, observing from the position of one of the parties, cannot see what is happening in full. Everyone sees only what is happening in the place where he is "present."

Lukashenka must hear an opinion that does not exist


Very often, especially in the Polish and Russian media, the idea is heard that Lukashenka should listen to the opinion of the street. Should I? I remember a meeting at a factory at the very beginning of the protests. The crowd stands in front of the factory management and chants, like in a stadium: “Come out! Come out! Come out! " It is clear that the people, this mass, are demanding a director. And he comes out!

What happens next? Do you think someone is starting to ask him any questions? You think so well of the crowd! Questions can be asked when there are real problems that the director creates. And if they are not? If you have a job, a good salary? And the director is waiting for exactly questions about his work, about problems. And then a new slogan appears: “Go away! Go away! Go away! .. ”It was normal to talk like that. Yes?

Now tell me, if you were this same director, after that would you go to talk to the crowd a second time? Don't answer me, answer yourself.

Or, being a riot policeman, you carry out an order to maintain order on the street. You carry out the lawful order of your boss, protect those who do not participate in rallies, protect people's property. And they shout to you that you are a fascist, they throw at you everything that comes to hand. Accusations are thrown in your face that you are killing people, you are promised to burn down your house, to kill your children and parents ...

Forgive me for being bloodthirsty, but I decided for myself that I did the right thing in my time, when I had the opportunity to choose a profession. Correctly I did not enter the service in the OMON. Those who know me will agree that I have complete order with my “nerves”, but in such a situation, I, quite possibly, would not hold back ...

A month of demonstrations in the streets ... Gradually, the number of protesters is decreasing. I watched the arrests of protesters yesterday. Carefully, without fuss, riot police pulled activists out of the crowd and packed them into cars. A crowd of young girls, many of whom are even too early to vote, and activists hiding behind them.

Moreover, it was interesting to look at these same activists at the moment when they realized that they had been calculated. Either an attempt to hide behind the backs of these snotty girls, or "Colorado potato beetle tactics." He clenched his paws, fell to the ground and pretended to be dead. In the hope that the riot police will not have enough strength to drag the "body" into the paddy wagon. Nothing, the guys there are healthy, trained. They take these very paws and carry the "corpse" into the car for "medical aid."

Protests for the sake of ... No, just protests


But that's not what I want to say. Recession or growth of protest is never perceived by me as an index of opposition between the people and the authorities. Look at Paris. How many times have the authorities already talked about calmness and the end of protests - so what? Some time passes, protests resume with renewed vigor. The same picture in Germany, in the USA ...

I look at Minsk and understand that both the protesters and Lukashenka are at a dead end. Some because they do not know what to demand, except, of course, resignation, the other does not know what they want, these street demonstrators. Simply because the most contradictory slogans are put forward. I would say that Belarus ended up in the basement without an exit. Or a dead end, if you like.

I remember the events of 1991 in Moscow. How did it end? I'm not talking about the further development of the USSR, and then the independent states. I'm talking about a specific confrontation. I remember a rally at the back of the White House. Yeltsin for the armor and the tricolor, raised instead of the red flag. And that's it! Everyone is satisfied. The activists went home.

The protesters in Minsk also need a "tricolor". Some symbol or action that would show the crowd the reality of meeting their demands. But the "tricolor" is not!

Lukashenka has already announced the most important steps for Belarus that he will take in the near future. Everyone understands that the country's constitution is awaiting changes. The authoritarian system of government has outlived its usefulness. The words of the Belarusian president that with his departure the country will slide into chaos is not a conversation about its own greatness and significance, but a statement of the fact that there is no really operating mechanism of power in Belarus. The state is operated manually.

So changing the constitution, creating a system of political balances in the form of parties and public organizations is the number one task. Next - early presidential and parliamentary elections, which Lukashenka admits. By the way, a great plan of action.

It just won't work today. It will not work exactly as a stopper of protest moods. Whatever the Belarusian president undertakes now, absolutely any of his actions will displease the opposition. Why? Yes, simply because this strange opposition does not itself know where to go and what to demand.

Strange opposition


Take a look at what is happening now. Instead of rallying in a fight, the protesters disperse. The oppositionists are pulling the blanket over themselves. I saw several tendencies of the Belarusian protest at once.

First, those who raised the protests did not expect the collective West to react this way. Probably, the Ukrainian theme worked, when “the whole world is with us” is no longer discussed. Peace be with us, and if someone from this world suddenly says or does something in a non-Ukrainian way, then Putin bought it. The Belarusians also expected a single condemnation and help from all of Europe. It turned out that they were not eager to help. And support is expressed in "ay-ay-ay" from officials and politicians towards Lukashenka.

Secondly, only after the first attempt to seize power by force and the first bruises from the riot police did the opposition begin to think about the need for a common headquarters and general leadership to fight. And so are the field offices. Even talk began about creating a party. Only this party will not be created now. Not because of opposition from the authorities, but because of political differences.

Thirdly, I have already mentioned the multidirectional slogans. This is also a fact. Imagine a protester who today stands for the EU, and tomorrow for the Russian Federation. You have to be a big idiot so as not to think about why we "shed blood."

And fourthly. Opposition leaders unanimously scrambled abroad. Who and how made the "glavnyuk" run away is not important. Another thing is important. It would not be so critical if “middle managers” remained in Belarus, who, on instructions from abroad, would continue to operate in a unified manner. But this is not the case either.

Belarus drove a wedge into the unity of Europe


The Europeans also found themselves in a difficult position. I recently wrote that Poland played a major role in fomenting the protests. I think readers have seen a lot of support for my conclusion over the past week. And now an interesting solitaire is played out.

Berlin is well aware of Warsaw's claims to a leading role in European politics. But if Germany relies on its own economic power, Poland relies on the US to help. Merkel will not miss the opportunity to trample the Poles during the period of political anarchy in the United States. And changing the awl for soap (changing the Polish buffer to the Belarusian one) is stupid for Germany.

NATO is acting in much the same vein as Germany. Against the backdrop of cries of support for the protests - zero action. Why? The answer is the same for Berlin and Brussels. Lukashenka must not be pressured too hard! Not even because, if necessary, he will go into a military conflict with NATO. Everything is much more subtle here. If the Belarusian president feels the iron tongs on his own throat, he will instantly go to unite with Russia into a real union state.

Somehow unnoticed by Russian readers, information about sanctions against Lukashenka passed. Remember a lot of the buzz on this issue? And what is the result? Pshik ... Berlin, Paris and Rome have blocked all EU sanctions. Here is a confirmation of what I wrote above.

Putin's statement also played a role. Has cooled too zealous and formidable neighbors of Belarusians. By the way, the wave of talk about SP-2, which started today, is from the same series. Check Russia's reaction to such a decision. The slowness of the Russians just infuriates Western politicians.

With the result that


The situation in Belarus has reached a dead end. President Lukashenko understands that in order to preserve the unity of the country, he must remain in power. He also understands that the system of power needs to be changed. And fast enough. Therefore, he agreed to constitutional reform and early elections of the president and parliament.

The opposition used their chance to protest. Probably the most important result of the past month was that the authorities exposed all or almost all opposition supporters within the security forces and the bureaucratic apparatus. Leaders also appeared, including the leaders of the opposition's militant wing.

It is clear how the situation will develop further. I will not repeat myself. But this will in no way affect the growth of protest moods within society. The abscess will still mature further. How to get out of this situation is unclear.
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  1. +23
    11 September 2020 15: 06
    I was silent long enough ...
    In my opinion, the author regularly issues articles about Belarus to the mountains. Moreover, in the same vein.
    1. -1
      11 September 2020 15: 20
      The abscess will still mature further. How to get out of this situation is unclear.

      An abscess can be successfully treated in only one way - an autopsy! Lukashenka needs to open this abscess and remove all this "pus" that has accumulated there in recent years. And thoroughly disinfect - so that a new abscess does not arise in this place!
      1. -16
        11 September 2020 15: 28
        An abscess can be successfully treated in only one way - an autopsy! Lukashenka needs to open this abscess and remove all this "pus" that has accumulated in recent years. And thoroughly disinfect - so that a new abscess does not arise in this place!

        Is there anti-Semitism here? ))))
        1. -1
          11 September 2020 15: 31
          Quote: lucul
          Is there anti-Semitism here? ))))

          Anti-Semitism - NO! Yes
          1. +9
            11 September 2020 15: 42
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: lucul
            Is there anti-Semitism here? ))))

            Anti-Semitism - NO! Yes

            winked So the most vicious anti-Semites are obtained from the Jews themselves, but a Jew is an anti-Semite for Jews an anti-Semite, but for anti-Semites it is still a Jew belay
            1. +4
              11 September 2020 16: 29
              The result is a kind of formula for the state of the United States ... lol
      2. +5
        11 September 2020 15: 37
        An abscess can be successfully treated in only one way - an autopsy!

        "All of them are chiropractors and surgeons ... There is not a single therapist among them" ©
        1. +8
          11 September 2020 17: 55
          "President" is not the kind of work with which one should "stand with feet" ... In the absence of special "merits", of course ... Otherwise, there is an opportunity to "sit out" in another place.
          1. +7
            11 September 2020 19: 49
            Quote: lexus
            Otherwise, there is an opportunity to "sit out" in another place.

            Like in Mali. The president also decided to "sit" there forever.
            After massive protests for two or three months, he is in prison for life. smile
            1. +14
              11 September 2020 20: 10
              There is a slightly different story. Keita, who is now sitting, is a socialist, who took it into his head to show the West what the bourgeoisie sent their “peacekeepers” to and helped to “plant” the rebel. Our "head club" has already invited almost everyone to a "banquet" in the name and on the occasion of the plunder of Russia. Therefore, we should not harbor illusions about the "aliens", but we need to recall their "good nature" after the Great October Socialist Revolution and send home exclusively in "wooden macs" or here they fertilize the farmland along with their "barkers".
          2. +4
            13 September 2020 22: 32
            Quote: lexus
            "President" is not the kind of work with which one should "stand with feet" ... In the absence of special "merits", of course ... Otherwise, there is an opportunity to "sit out" in another place.
            Well, why ...

            For example, the Sverdlovsk Alkash earned the "honorary right" not just "to sit in another place", but a personal lamppost on Red Square and a silk cord lathered with the most expensive soap. Moreover, the lace is not for the neck, but for the legs. But nothing - he lived in warmth and comfort, buried with honors and for my taxes and millions of Russians received a personal freak show in Yekaterinburg - the refuge of the most terrible liberals and other traitors to the Motherland.

            So it is not always "rewarded according to his deeds" ...
            1. +2
              13 September 2020 22: 41
              Always rewarded, rest assured. You are just reasoning logically, but here is dialectics.
              1. 0
                13 September 2020 23: 22
                Quote: Plyushkin
                Always rewarded, rest assured.

                Your words, yes to God in the ears ...
      3. +4
        11 September 2020 16: 15
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        An abscess can be successfully treated in only one way - an autopsy!

        as you know, fish rots from the head + external factor
        1. -2
          11 September 2020 16: 32
          Not only from the head ... they smell the gills and ... The unity and struggle of the two! .... philosophy has not been canceled. Sometimes it also swims and worms come out of the ass.
          1. +2
            11 September 2020 17: 48
            Quote: Alex Nevs
            Not only from the head ... sniffing gills

            And the gills in your tail ??? laughing
            1. -3
              12 September 2020 19: 47
              and have not taught to read? and many points do not you understand? You are Russian?
              1. +2
                13 September 2020 11: 32
                don't be rude, it's harmful
                1. -2
                  13 September 2020 12: 20
                  Where is rudeness? You "pulled out" the ellipsis ... you "taught" mine and did not learn you did not understand. You don't know the philosophical laws. And in what language would you "think" with you?
          2. +1
            11 September 2020 18: 15
            The fact that the reasons for dissatisfaction can be the most insignificant, I thought about ten years ago, and here's why. I was returning once from a business trip to the Svetlogorsk chemical plant. I was driving in a compartment with a lady of about forty, who kept whining that it was bad in Belarus, but in Moscow it was fine. I asked her: what is bad in Belarus? She thought for a long time, and then gave out: "There is no Wi-Fi at McDonald's in Minsk."
            Interestingly, and now there is? Judging by the protests, they never did.
            And what are the roads of Old Man, what well-groomed things - in Russia to look for such neat villages. What do people want?
            1. +8
              11 September 2020 19: 52
              Quote: astepanov
              And what are the roads of Old Man

              Step aside from the main tracks and take another look at this "beauty". And outside the center of Minsk.
              Quote: astepanov
              what well-groomed things

              Strange, we have veski - these are three or four "residential" huts with pensioners living out their days. Oh well.
              If you like it so much, take it for yourself. They will only thank you.
              1. 0
                15 September 2020 18: 56
                TerribleGMO either does not live in Belarus, or wanders around in the trash heaps. Where there are enough working people - everything is in order. The country has really been tidied up in 25 years, as much as possible with our modest means. and after the collapse of the USSR, in which the BSSR was in 2-3 place in terms of GDP, and now, of course, there are no orders, no needs from the neighbors, there is no USSR and CMEA market, and therefore many enterprises are closed. Yes, salaries are small as well as pensions, but prices generally do not bite (unless you drink 40-60% of your salary). And thanks to Russia for their help. Of course, a lot could have been done differently and money spent more efficiently, but even so, if we compare, we live well and all these protestors got their assignments right.
                1. 0
                  8 October 2020 17: 39
                  That's right, the oprichnik is in everything
                  I agree.
            2. +1
              12 September 2020 09: 40
              Quote: astepanov
              "There is no Wi-Fi at McDonald's in Minsk."

              I am a resident and citizen of the United States. So, in my entire life in America, I ate at McDonald's only 2 times: the first, and he is the last. And this was when WiFi even existed, but for a very limited circle (say, I did not hear such words then), and wired networks were not in all companies.
              1. +7
                12 September 2020 23: 07
                I am a resident and citizen of the United States. So, in my entire life in America, I ate at McDonald's only 2 times: the first, and he is the last.
                sane people do not eat in such establishments, but they are apparently a minority, judging by how things are going with McDonald's and similar networks
      4. +9
        11 September 2020 17: 18
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Lukashenka needs to open this abscess and remove all this "pus",

        You have confused the surgeon with the pathologist.
        1. +12
          11 September 2020 18: 06
          Dear Sylvester hi, this is if proctologists are powerless ... when it "does not go away" for a long time ...
        2. +1
          11 September 2020 18: 16
          Quote: Silvestr
          You have confused the surgeon with the pathologist.

          I wonder: did the pathologist ruin many souls? And it happens sometimes with surgeons. So who is who? stop
      5. +2
        11 September 2020 18: 50
        The fact is that Lukashenka is pus
        1. +3
          14 September 2020 10: 53
          I liked the fact that the author clearly outlined the main problem of the Lukashenka regime - the lack of a mechanism for legal decision-making, the country is controlled manually (there is no normal system of separation of powers: legislative, executive, judicial; there is no vertical of power; no political system).
          In fact, Belarus is a medieval monarchy.
          Well, the mustachioed could not build a modern state))
          1. +1
            14 September 2020 11: 44
            In fact, Belarus is a medieval monarchy.
            Well, the mustachioed could not build a modern state))

            What the AHL wanted, it built.
            It is clear from whom he took an example.
            It didn't work out for him.
            We need to help and change everything. bully
            1. 0
              14 September 2020 14: 30
              Change commit one year?
              What a reformer you are.
              Buonarroti.
      6. 0
        13 September 2020 20: 30
        So he needs to make a sepuca?
      7. +2
        14 September 2020 23: 05
        Lukashenko has already regularly opened and disinfected any pro-Russian "abscesses" that clearly, or only in his delirium, threatened his power - all pro-Russian journalists and politicians ended up in prisons, Belarusians who fought for Donbass were sent to jail, and those who fought for Bandera were honored as heroes ,, the unfortunate Wagnerites were brutally tortured and wanted to give out to Bandera, lived at the expense of Russia, regularly poured crap on Russia from a high rostrum, was ready to betray Russia at the first sign from the West - and now the pseudo-patriots are tearing their ass for this Bulbofuehrer. Yes - the opposition is unlikely to be pro-Russian, but making it sharply anti-Russian with your own hands is not worth it. We need to take an example from China, which in such situations manages to work with the official authorities and does not quarrel with the opposition.
        1. -2
          15 September 2020 19: 07
          Sergei Sfyedu: Who is there to deal with? With westernized bedding? With chickens who can't even say three words? With the ignoramuses who haven't read the primer to the end? The entire opposition is a couple of hundred characters fed from the West, and the rest are just party-goers, brainwashed by telegram channels and propaganda as part of the information and psychological war that the West has been waging against the Slavic or, more precisely, RUSSIAN WORLD in the last 300 years, and especially intensively in last 100 years. The President made mistakes, of course, and a lot, especially in recent years. But: don't shoot the pianist - he plays as best he can. Take a look around and look at other countries, and if possible, visit. If you know the languages, talk to the locals. And you will learn a lot of interesting things. However, there is no need to go to the media, everything is there - you just need to ask and analyze what you have learned. Unfortunately, most of them have problems with this !!!
    2. +5
      11 September 2020 15: 24
      depending on what you mean by long, for protests half a month is long
      1. +2
        13 September 2020 23: 35
        Quote: torkonut
        A month of demonstrations in the streets ... Gradually, the number of protesters is decreasing.

        A month of demonstrations in the streets ... Gradually, the number of protesters is decreasing.
        In Kiev, too, little by little began to subside ... My father then said that Bandera needed a sacred sacrifice. Two days later, the "Heavenly Hundred" appeared.

        Now the father is there, where only the angels hear his predictions and I, as his deputy on earth, would really not like to repeat his words. But, unfortunately, the Stars and Stripes training manual has been worked out and cannot be changed. Therefore, the strength of the Old Man and the readiness not to become a second Yanukovych. This is what - that in Kiev, that in Rostov - everywhere is nishtyak. And Lukashenka doesn't need his fate. Yes, and we do not want to get a second Ukraine close by.

        A separate "thank you" to the Kiev Maidan jumpers and their curators with the stars and striped ears - SUCH a powerful vaccination from "democracy" according to Western manuals was made that immunity in us, and in Belarus, too, I think, will also work for a long time.
    3. -2
      11 September 2020 15: 31
      It is a good thing to be silent, and it is better to stay in this position than to give out this .......
    4. +4
      11 September 2020 15: 36
      Is there a way out of the Belarusian dead end?

      From any dead end there is only one way out - in the opposite direction winked
      1. bar
        +7
        11 September 2020 15: 56
        There is only one way out of any dead end - this is in the opposite direction

        Minced meat does not scroll in the opposite direction. sad
        1. +6
          11 September 2020 16: 06
          Quote: bar
          There is only one way out of any dead end - this is in the opposite direction

          Minced meat does not scroll in the opposite direction. sad

          So for minced meat, on the contrary, there is one space in front, up to ... a septic tank winked
          1. +2
            11 September 2020 19: 05
            Quote: Terenin
            So for minced meat, on the contrary, there is one space in front, up to ... a septic tank

            And there is life in the septic tank and after!
      2. -4
        11 September 2020 16: 13
        Quote: Terenin
        Is there a way out of the Belarusian dead end?

        From any dead end there is only one way out - in the opposite direction winked

        That's right, on the other side, at the entrance, Russia is waiting for him Yes
        1. +4
          11 September 2020 16: 27
          He has only one way out, this is the entrance to Russia. Yes
          1. 0
            11 September 2020 16: 34
            Quote: cniza
            He has only one way out, this is the entrance to Russia. Yes

            It looks like the "advisers" surrounded and give 100% advice in no hurry, as with 100% evidence of Russian soldiers from PMCs. By the way, he has not yet apologized for that.
            1. +3
              11 September 2020 18: 05
              There is a lot of things he still has to do, he won't be able to wag anymore, he will be in Moscow on Monday ...
        2. +1
          11 September 2020 21: 57
          Yes, as they joked before the elections - Rostov. With neighbor Yanukovych.
    5. +1
      11 September 2020 16: 48
      In my opinion, the author regularly issues articles about Belarus to the mountains. Moreover, in the same vein.

      Do not be false, Nazarius. That's what, blame domoklа, but not for that. In his articles, he examines the situation in Belarus from various angles. Moreover, from rather diametrical
    6. +2
      11 September 2020 17: 04
      Recently, But father often listens to Vysotsky:

      "I am looking for a way out of the gate, -
      But there is no him, there is only an entrance, and that is not the same ... "
      laughing
    7. +3
      11 September 2020 17: 18
      ... Is there a way out of the Belarusian impasse?

      There is. In fact, it has already happened. For Lenin, politics is nothing more than a concentrated expression of economics. You can't look with the classics! Belarusian OFZs rushed up to their original positions. They grow from September 8. Everything in Belarus is getting better. The protests no longer have exactly any force.

      I took Belarusian OFZs at the bottom. What I wrote on VO. Supported Lukashenka, and earned for himself)))
      1. dSK
        +2
        11 September 2020 18: 01
        The longer Tikhanovskaya's husband is detained, the greater her "political weight". They cannot show him anything significant. LAG it will come out "big sideways".
        Tikhanovskaya "will break into a cake", but pull out her husband.
        Love is a tremendous power.
      2. +10
        11 September 2020 18: 54
        Quote: Stas157
        Everything in Belarus is getting better. The protests no longer have exactly any force.


        Is the economy of Belarus growing? People have become satisfied with life and will not protest again? This is an important point, if we leave aside the moment that a significant part of society is dissatisfied with the re-election of Lukashenka and believe that he drew a victory for himself ... then the issues of the economy and the refrigerator come to the fore. Just today I read that the IMF refused Belarus a new loan for $ 940 million (almost 1 billion), this money was supposed to go to save the economic situation in the country from the consequences of the coronavirus, and the current global crisis ... they did not give money (c) ... On September 14, Lukashenko will meet with Putin in Sochi to resolve financial and economic issues, and if there is a bummer in some areas, then how Belarus will get out of the current crisis is an interesting question ... even if Putin solves Lukashenko's financial problems, it’s all the same the economy of Belarus is very, very bad, and protests with such an economic situation will only intensify, especially against the background of the flight of IT companies from Belarus, and not only them ... many are thinking of moving to Poland, since they have opened their doors for the Belarusian business, a direct window to Europe ... so the situation did not get much better.
        1. 0
          12 September 2020 05: 39
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          Is the economy of Belarus growing? People have become satisfied with life and will not protest again?

          It's like that. But, the article is about a dead end. It is not, I believe. The crisis turned towards improvement. This is clearly indicated by the market rate of Belarusian OFZs.
          I bet on Lukashenka with my personal money (not blah blah blah from the couch). And he has already made a profit - confirmation of the correctness of his position.
      3. +8
        11 September 2020 19: 54
        Quote: Stas157
        Belarusian OFZs rushed up to their original positions. They grow from September 8. Everything in Belarus is getting better.

        Excuse me, are you Belarusian? If not, then it's better to be silent. Burning gold reserves to maintain the falling off "stability" is not an adjustment. So in 2010 it was. And then the devalvats good Another. good
        1. +1
          12 September 2020 05: 46
          Quote: TerribleGMO
          And then the devalvats

          Where without her! In Russia, it is already underway. And without any political crisis (as in Belarus). Well, since the devaluation in Russia, then there will be a trace in Belarus. It has always been that way.
    8. +8
      11 September 2020 18: 26
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I was silent long enough ...
      In my opinion, the author regularly issues articles about Belarus to the mountains. Moreover, in the same vein.

      Right. It would be better if he kept silent.
      I remember a meeting at a factory at the very beginning of the protests. The crowd stands in front of the factory management and chants, like in a stadium: “Come out! Come out! Come out! " It is clear that the people, this mass, are demanding a director. And he comes out!

      Seriously? Was it by any chance that the MZKT was where people sit without work? There were no meetings at any normally functioning factory. And rightly so, people have something to lose.
      Berlin is well aware of Warsaw's claims to a leading role in European politics. But if Germany relies on its own economic power, Poland relies on the US to help. Merkel will not miss the opportunity to trample the Poles during the period of political anarchy in the United States. And changing the awl for soap (changing the Polish buffer to the Belarusian one) is stupid for Germany.

      If you drip even deeper, it turns out that the West is not beneficial to the protests in the republic. Even the same Trump and Pompeo set themselves up with the organization of a full-fledged embassy. Even before the elections, the EEC has repeatedly said that it intends to establish ties with the government of Belarus, whatever the outcome. Now there is only one opinion in Europe "An independent Belarus with Lukashenko is better than without Lukashenko, but a satellite of Russia."
      1. +5
        11 September 2020 22: 10
        And for some reason, all the Russian media stubbornly ignore the fact that the elections were rigged. They appeal to legal methods of detecting falsifications, and this is still possible even now, but only theoretically. None of the legal authorities will do it Because the main abscess has metastasized. He cannot remove himself.
        All Russian media are sure that if Lukashenka is removed, it will be worse, but listen, and it will only get worse with him, what awaits us? We have one path with him - the North Korean one. And without it, there are options. Russia has gone through the 90s, Ukraine is going through its own now. It sounds scary, but Belarus will have to survive its "90s", and better sooner than later. And our "90s" is the worst option, but there are also better ones.
    9. +7
      11 September 2020 23: 41
      And not a word about the fact that Luka imprisoned his main opponents and rigged elections. Well, just kapets, how objectively! wink
      Let's hope the author gets some money off. The mortgage won't pay itself ... recourse
      1. +7
        12 September 2020 10: 07
        Quote: Sahalinets
        And not a word about the fact that Luka imprisoned his main opponents and rigged elections. Well, just kapets, how objectively!

        And that our media is now under the control of propagandists from the Republic of Tatarstan, and more than a dozen of them were brought there. At the rallies, they have already found Russians hung with Belarusian flags. Some even tried to get into the Duma from the pro-government parties. Isn't this an interference?
    10. +7
      12 September 2020 08: 06
      And what is the way out for Belarus? If they unite with Russia, then in a year our oligarchs will buy up all the factories there and sell them for scrap over the hill, along with peat and timber. And in the elections to United Russia, schools will also be closed by the thousands. Since Monday, "ER" has closed 140 thousand schools in our country. The Russian United Russia Pension Reform will finish off the Belarusian old people, just like our "free medicine". There, too, there will come an era of rampant bribery and covetousness (corruption), which we consider to be the engine of economic development. The bank will become a private branch of the FRS, and other "charms" corresponding to this. In the mainstream news and on TV, which of the "stars" are divorced and who gave birth to an illegitimate child from whom. Dead end, however! belay
      1. -1
        14 September 2020 07: 12
        Quote: siberalt
        And what is the way out for Belarus?

        That's basically what ???? !!! They are either to the EU or to the Russian Federation ....
        Tikhanovskaya's program clearly states that unprofitable enterprises will be reorganized with the help of competent managers.... And you and I perfectly understand- WHAT it is! There are apparently no Belarusians yet ...
        Moreover, the Russian or European oligarchy in case of victory ANY a candidate - apart from Lukashenko, he will divide Belarus as he sees fit. And this is an indisputable fact ...
        They want to run away from this kind of socialism RBshnogo - but all the escape routes - they only have to capitalism (with corruption, unemployment, paid medicine, talk shows and others) ...

        So, alas, the Belarusians themselves will ruin their state, with their own hands ...
    11. -1
      13 September 2020 22: 49
      Lukashenka is a prostitute who has been torpedoing integration for 20 years, besides, fostering Natsiks and imposing Lithuanianism. That's all.
    12. 0
      14 September 2020 10: 28
      It would be better if he remained silent this time.
  2. +1
    11 September 2020 15: 07
    Output. of course there is - new elections with candidates released from prison, international observers, exit polls and all the stuffing. If Lukashenka wants to be pushed around the table, he can even nominate himself again. But he does not want to, so he will resist to the end.
    1. +2
      11 September 2020 15: 19
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      Of course, there is - new elections with candidates released from prison, international observers, exit polls and all the stuffing.


      This is stupidity, not a solution. And no matter how, in principle, I digest my father personally, I would definitely not advise to go to this, because this is an act of surrender. This has already happened in Ukraine. only long ago
      1. +6
        11 September 2020 15: 23
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        I would definitely not advise to go to this, because this is an act of surrender


        I understand that this is not a kid, but sooner or later he will have to leave. He can still leave without loss. Well, if he won, as he says, with 80% - he will win again%)
        1. +2
          11 September 2020 15: 29
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          but sooner or later he will have to leave.

          You have to leave on your own terms, and not on the terms put forward by the defeated rebels. Remember in the first three days there was an attempt to seize power by force

          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          He can still leave without loss.

          And then he will leave without loss.
          1. -3
            11 September 2020 15: 35
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Remember in the first three days there was an attempt to seize power by force


            Nonsense.

            Quote: Cyril G ...
            And then he will leave without loss.


            He's like a president and has to take care of more than just his own skin (well, in theory). The exodus of business from Belarus has already begun, in a few months Venezuela will be here.
            1. 0
              11 September 2020 15: 43
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              Nonsense.

              This is the dearest fact. The fact that you refuse to see this was quite expected ...

              The exodus of business from Belarus has already begun, in a few months Venezuela will be here.

              It's funny. What do you know about Belarus in general?
              1. +2
                11 September 2020 15: 49
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                This is the sweetest fact


                My dear, if that were a fact, you would list specific actions, but you did not provide anything. Unarmed demonstrations cannot seize power by force. This is not to mention the fact that they were opposed by the well-trained OMON.

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                What do you know about Belarus in general?


                What a citizen of Belarus who lives and works here can know.
                1. -4
                  11 September 2020 15: 57
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  you would give a list of specific actions, but you gave absolutely nothing.

                  It was predictable! Quite qualified actions of the "street infantry" are quite evident in the sense that they underwent a certain preparation for actions against the forces of law and order, their actions were coordinated, attempts to seize the ROVD on the first day of the mutiny, ramming cars of employees, more than fifty employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs who received moderate and severe injuries?
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  What a citizen of Belarus who lives and works here can know.

                  Bggg ....
                  1. +4
                    11 September 2020 16: 01
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    attempts to capture the ROVD on the first day of the mutiny


                    Unarmed people tried to seize the ROVD, how interesting. Which police department, in which cities?

                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    What a citizen of Belarus who lives and works here can know.
                    Quote: Cyril G ...

                    Bggg ....



                    A strong objection.
              2. +6
                11 September 2020 20: 00
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                It's funny. What do you know about Belarus in general?

                Well, yes, the Russians can better see how the Belarusians live in our own country. Not yours, ours.
                Is it more visible from the outside?
              3. +2
                12 September 2020 08: 26
                If the word begins with a consonant letter, then you should correctly write "about Belarus", because it is not a pillar and you will not hit your head "on" it. hi
          2. +8
            11 September 2020 15: 39
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            in the first three days there was an attempt to seize power by force

            Much has already been said about the events in fraternal Belarus by all parties to the conflict. I don't want to repeat myself, so I will cite an excerpt from the Appeal of the left-wing patriotic public associations that formed the Coordination Council "Unity" to the working people of Belarus on 15.08.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX (Unity stands on the position of uniting Belarus and Russia into a single union state)
            After the end of the presidential elections, an extremely explosive situation has developed in our native Belarus: crowds of people organized by pro-Western instigators are taking to the streets and squares of Belarusian cities, stopping work at some enterprises. Cleverly manipulating the minds of the crowd, the organizers of the riots, absolutely neglecting the safety of people, push them to a coup d'etat, civil war and bloodshed. They don't mind Belarusian blood! ..
            ... instigators from abroad set a very important goal for themselves - separating Belarus from Russia and preventing the implementation of the Treaty on the Creation of the Union State of Belarus and Russia, and not at all the establishment of "democratic order" in Belarus, as some naive our citizens think.

            The full Appeal can be found at the link:
            http://vkpb.ru/ideologiya-ekonomika-politika/750-u-trudyashchikhsya-belarusi-i-tolstosumov-zapada-absolyutno-raznye-interesy.html
          3. +12
            11 September 2020 18: 13
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Remember in the first three days there was an attempt to seize power by force

            How is this?
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            on the terms put forward by the defeated rebels

            Already? Defeated? laughing
            1. +12
              11 September 2020 19: 12
              No need to guess to whom to bow to, sooner too late, "sechenomillers" will run. Therefore, I wish the GREAT RUSSIAN PEOPLE unity and VICTORY over the invaders! We are not enemies, but BROTHERS. We have nowhere to retreat.
              1. -1
                12 September 2020 08: 33
                Belarus needs to be defended to the last. From there came the Old Russian language, before it became Pushkin. At the moment, the merger with the BR will lead to its total plundering by Russian compradors with "multi-vector citizenship" which are countless in our power.
                1. +8
                  12 September 2020 11: 06
                  Oleg hi, totally agree with you. The insatiable oligarchic Hydra is incapable of creation. The Belarusians can clearly see this in our example.
        2. +2
          11 September 2020 16: 12
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          but sooner or later he will have to leave

          So this is what the struggle is going on now.
          1. 0
            11 September 2020 16: 26
            And there are no other options, "you can't enter the river twice" ...
            1. -1
              12 September 2020 08: 41
              Why not? In a couple of years, Kolya Lukashenko will become an adult. Oddly enough, but this is also a way out. The main thing here is who will be behind him. They will make a party for themselves, they will call it "United Belarus", so what?
              1. 0
                12 September 2020 08: 43
                And they have not had this couple of years ...
      2. -8
        11 September 2020 16: 35
        the cry of the crying is a real bulb in a puddle.
      3. +1
        15 September 2020 19: 19
        Cyril - You are absolutely right. To whom to surrender? In front of this housewife? In front of a flutist living in Germany? In front of other persons with gay orientation and second citizenships of Western countries? And the article is sensible and I, who worked as an analyst, agree 90% with its content.
    2. -7
      11 September 2020 15: 22
      Add to this with the LGBT community, with women with a low social orientation, with blacks, disguised as sailors, and sailors dressed as blacks, with the Japanese, who suddenly decided that they are Belarusians, and therefore plant tangerines in the garden in front of the father's palace, with the Anglo- Saxons, worried about the fate of shrimps living in artificial ponds dug by Lukashenka, with natives who moved to the Transcarpathian caves and shouting from there "Hey, we are here, do not forget about us" and many, many, many more. You never know who else can suddenly find the best friends of the Belarusians - Poles, Anglo-Saxons, Balts and all sorts of other Czechs - in White Russia.
      1. +1
        11 September 2020 15: 24
        Quote: The Truth
        Add to this with the LGBT community, with women with a low social orientation, with blacks, disguised as sailors, and sailors disguised as blacks, with the Japanese


        Why do you need this? Do you breathe unevenly for LGBT people, low-responsibility women, blacks, sailors?
        1. -3
          11 September 2020 17: 02
          So this is not for me, this is for our best, happiest, most democratic and generally the most friends over the hill.
          1. +5
            11 September 2020 19: 37
            It was you who wanted to invite LGBT people and others to the elections. Probably, you are the happiest, most desmokratic and generally the smartest from abroad.
    3. -4
      11 September 2020 15: 37
      What are the choices? They have already passed and there is a result. Or do you want to repeat here the Ukraine of 2004? Or the voices of the street are everything, but our voices are nothing.
    4. +2
      12 September 2020 08: 51
      Lukashenka "fed you with his left breast," and you are so bad about your mother! Ugh on you. lol
  3. +7
    11 September 2020 15: 15
    Lukashenka will have to go to unification with Russia quietly and gradually. That is, officially Belarus will remain an independent state, but in fact will come under the control of Russia.
  4. +4
    11 September 2020 15: 17
    I will write my comment ... from the point of view of the Law good

    If I were in Lukashenka's place now ... and I would be completely sure that 80 percent for me is HONEST !!! ... then:

    1. I would instruct the Head of the Parliament of the Republic of Belarus to submit to a referendum in the Republic of Belarus the question of whether the people of Belarus trust the newly elected President ... in a month I would hold a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES WITH VIDEO RECORDING of any actions at polling stations good

    2. Having received his "pros" of 80 (albeit already 75) percent - he would shut up the mouths of both the opposition and "the entire world community" am

    3. Well, if I received less than 50 percent of trust ... then VELKAM in Rostov-on-Don !!! drinks

    That was a really bloodless solution to the question asked in the title of the article ... And according to the law ... and in honor ... and in fairness ... hi
    1. -6
      11 September 2020 15: 31
      Having received his "pros" of 80 (albeit already 75) percent - he would shut up the mouths of both the opposition and "the entire world community"

      Nonsense, they would say in the same way - that the referendum was rigged, like the elections before that)))
      Yanukovych already passed this with Yushchenko in 2004)))
      1. +2
        11 September 2020 15: 38
        Quote: lucul
        Having received his "pros" of 80 (albeit already 75) percent - he would shut up the mouths of both the opposition and "the entire world community"

        Nonsense, they would say in the same way - that the referendum was rigged, like the elections before that)))
        Yanukovych already passed this with Yushchenko in 2004)))


        For ESPECIALLY not reading my posts - I repeat hi

        ... in a month I would hold a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES WITH VIDEO RECORDING of any actions at the polling stations...

        Full control means that anyone can sign up as an observer and shoot everything !!! am

        and even me - PROFESSIONAL in IT - I can't think of a way to massively falsify voting !!! wassat
        1. -9
          11 September 2020 15: 47
          in a month I would have held a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES WITH VIDEO RECORDING of any actions at the polling stations.

          And how did the presidential elections take place? Was the urns taken to Mars, manipulated and returned to Earth? )))))
          1. +3
            11 September 2020 15: 54
            Quote: lucul
            in a month I would have held a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES WITH VIDEO RECORDING of any actions at the polling stations.

            And how did the presidential elections take place? Was the urns taken to Mars, manipulated and returned to Earth? )))))

            If you are talking about the election of the President of the Republic of Belarus this August ... None of the independent were allowed to observe, the network is full of information about how they actually took place, do not disgrace yourself !!! laughing
            1. -7
              11 September 2020 15: 58
              None of the independent were allowed to watch, the network is full of information about how they actually passed, do not disgrace yourself !!!

              Pfff .. I'm just a resident of Belarus, I see everything with my own eyes, and not through the Internet)))
              1. +1
                11 September 2020 16: 01
                Quote: lucul
                None of the independent were allowed to watch, the network is full of information about how they actually passed, do not disgrace yourself !!!

                Pfff .. I'm just a resident of Belarus, I see everything with my own eyes, and not through the Internet)))

                So everything is as usual laughing I live in one Russia - the miners of my mulberries live in another Russia, where everyone has everything karashO wassat
                So my relatives in the Republic of Belarus live in one Belarus ... And you live in another, in the one in which everything is karasho wassat
                1. -10
                  11 September 2020 16: 08
                  And you live in another, in one in which everything is karasho

                  Pffff ...
                  In reality, in Minsk, no more than 30% of the votes are for Luka, in Grodno and Brest regions. , no more than 35-45%, in Mogilev, Vitebsk, Gomel regions, for Luka real 70 - 80%. Here's the whole alignment in Belarus, as it is))))
                  1. +6
                    11 September 2020 16: 18
                    Quote: lucul
                    , in Mogilev, Vitebsk, Gomel regions, for Luka real 70 - 80%


                    And can you substantiate these numbers?
                    1. -7
                      11 September 2020 16: 54
                      And can you substantiate these numbers?

                      Why are there no protests against Luka there, and the opposition does not go there, have they not thought? Kolesnikova went once, she doesn't want to anymore)))
                      1. +5
                        11 September 2020 19: 40
                        That is, you cannot substantiate the figures you quoted. And why there are few performances - I know. Because there are state-owned enterprises where the speakers are threatened to be fired.
                      2. +3
                        11 September 2020 22: 21
                        Everything is there, whether you are blind or deaf. In one town of the Mogilev region. even in Sizo the places ran out, people were taken to the colony and everything was overcrowded there. Read HERE buy at least for balance with Art.
                        Even with your numbers, it's not 80%.
                  2. +4
                    11 September 2020 16: 30
                    Quote: lucul
                    And you live in another, in one in which everything is karasho

                    Pffff ...
                    In reality, in Minsk, no more than 30% of the votes are for Luka, in Grodno and Brest regions. , no more than 35-45%, in Mogilev, Vitebsk, Gomel regions, for Luka real 70 - 80%. Here's the whole alignment in Belarus, as it is))))

                    So what makes you doubt my proposal to hold a referendum in Belarus on confidence in the President then?
                    1. -3
                      11 September 2020 16: 57
                      So what makes you doubt my proposal to hold a referendum in Belarus on confidence in the President then?

                      2004 - the third presidential election, when Yanukovych simply gave the presidency to Yushchenko))) The opposition would not be satisfied with any other option, they agreed to hold presidential elections indefinitely until they get the desired result.
                      1. 0
                        11 September 2020 17: 36
                        Quote: lucul
                        So what makes you doubt my proposal to hold a referendum in Belarus on confidence in the President then?

                        2004 - the third presidential election, when Yanukovych simply gave the presidency to Yushchenko))) The opposition would not be satisfied with any other option, they agreed to hold presidential elections indefinitely until they get the desired result.

                        Here is a link to my post: https://topwar.ru/174938-belorusskij-tupik-est-li-vyhod.html#comment-id-10772160

                        Re-read as many times as you need to understand my post))) even the opposition will shut up if it itself, on the air, as observers, will follow the voting and post voting protocols from polling stations online good wassat
              2. 0
                13 September 2020 12: 13
                Quote: lucul
                None of the independent were allowed to watch, the network is full of information about how they actually passed, do not disgrace yourself !!!

                Pfff .. I'm just a resident of Belarus, I see everything with my own eyes, and not through the Internet)))

                Land, what nonsense you write ..
                And how did the event under the code name "Elections 2020" go?
            2. +6
              11 September 2020 20: 09
              Quote: Corona without virus
              None of the independent were allowed to be observed,

              Personally, I was kicked out of the site just before the countdown so that the eyes of the commission did not get too bad No.
              And I was fully accredited, but in view of the fact that I prevented them from overstating their turnout ahead of schedule in recent days, they decided the issue "radically". And the results were not posted, by the way.

              On the only day of my absence, the turnout was overstated ten times. 15-25 people came a day, and then suddenly as many as 250 drew.



              Quote: lucul
              Pfff .. I'm just a resident of Belarus, I see everything with my own eyes

              The daughter of an officer. Or trouble with vision. This happens when money closes eyes and conscience.

              Quote: lucul
              In reality, for Luka no more than 30% of the votes

              But these are the correct numbers. Although recognized good This was his maximum. Countrywide.
              Ask the 800.000 Minsk residents who were left without water, who did they vote for?
          2. +8
            11 September 2020 18: 15
            Quote: lucul
            The urns were taken to Mars, t

            What's easier, take and count ... then. Now is pointless
            1. +6
              11 September 2020 20: 10
              Quote: Silvestr
              What's easier, take and count ... then. Now is pointless

              On the second day they began to burn ballots. And they should be stored for six months.
              So yes, pointless. request
        2. +6
          11 September 2020 16: 10
          Quote: Crown without virus
          and even I am a PROFESSIONAL in the IT sphere - I can't think of a way to massively falsify the vote !!!

          Elementary. We write 80% in the final protocol, and not agree to jail. And we declare all these photos and videos "feces of Western, Russian, Chinese, etc. propaganda (depending on the situation)." You might think for the first time.
          1. +4
            11 September 2020 16: 21
            It also helps burn ballots. So that no one can prove anything.
          2. -2
            11 September 2020 16: 31
            Quote: vvvjak
            Quote: Crown without virus
            and even I am a PROFESSIONAL in the IT sphere - I can't think of a way to massively falsify the vote !!!

            Elementary. We write 80% in the final protocol, and not agree to jail. And we declare all these photos and videos "feces of Western, Russian, Chinese, etc. propaganda (depending on the situation)." You might think for the first time.

            Once again - for ESPECIALLY not reading my posts hi
            full-real-time))) all live - and voting and counting good
            1. -7
              11 September 2020 16: 52
              Quote: Corona without virus
              full-real-time))) all live

              So what? There are generally accepted laws of mathematics, for example: 2 + 2 = 4, and there are "laws" of RB: 2 + 2 = 80%. And there "full" or not "full" to one place. Well, he will come up with another "theme": the Americans changed the online video from the satellite. After speaking about the helicopter, I am not surprised at anything.
        3. 0
          15 September 2020 19: 23
          Corona without a virus - So you would surrender, give in to a stupid crowd zombified during the propaganda campaign of the West?
          1. 0
            15 September 2020 20: 32
            Quote: Oprichnik
            Corona without a virus - So you would surrender, give in to a stupid crowd zombified during the propaganda campaign of the West?

            I would:
            1. I would arrange a referendum on confidence in me - and let any interested parties record on video the entire voting procedure online, so that they would not later accuse me of forgery
            2. Having received my 50 percent +1 vote = I would have rolled all the opposition into the asphalt
            3. If I got 50 percent minus 1 vote, I would shoot myself

            so the answer is ok? soldier
    2. +3
      11 September 2020 15: 32
      Yes, yes, he strongly believes in his "80%", but not quite so straight at all ....
    3. +5
      11 September 2020 15: 42
      Lukashenka did a stupid thing by drawing himself 80%, which no one believed in. I think his honest ones are somewhere around 60 .. Maybe 50 with a penny. Roughly like Putin's .. But they never admit it to their lives - they want to keep appearing as people's idols, no matter what! You can shit people with all your might, deprive pensions, jobs, hope for the future - but you only have to love you.
      1. +10
        11 September 2020 18: 46
        Maybe 50 kopecks. Much like Putin's ..

        hi For a week, you can "draw" the Mona Lisa, if you feel like it. winked

        You can shit people

        That's why they are "untouchable".

        ... They are despised and, at the same time, feared by all the other castes. The fact is that a person from this stratum of society can desecrate any other with his presence ...
      2. 0
        11 September 2020 22: 30
        Quote: paul3390
        Lukashenka did a stupid thing by drawing himself 80%, which no one believed in. I think his honest ones are somewhere around 60 .. Maybe 50 with a penny. Roughly like Putin's .. But they never admit it to their lives - they want to keep appearing as people's idols, no matter what! You can shit people with all your might, deprive pensions, jobs, hope for the future - but you only have to love you.

        If Luka simply sat on the priest evenly and allowed any Babaryk and Tikhanovsky before the elections, he would have received 60% by rail, and even after landing these two he would have received 52-53% or, in extreme cases, he would have won with this result in the second round. But in the Central Executive Committee and law enforcement agencies they decided to lick wider and more savory - they drew 80% to please the dad. Pleased ... Indeed, under an authoritarian regime, over the years, only devoted fools remain around you.
    4. 0
      11 September 2020 15: 47
      Quote: Crown without virus
      I will write my comment ... from the point of view of the Law good

      If I were in Lukashenka's place now ... and I would be completely sure that 80 percent for me is HONEST !!! ... then:

      1. I would instruct the Head of the Parliament of the Republic of Belarus to submit to a referendum in the Republic of Belarus the question of whether the people of Belarus trust the newly elected President ... in a month I would hold a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES WITH VIDEO RECORDING of any actions at polling stations good

      2. Having received his "pros" of 80 (albeit already 75) percent - he would shut up the mouths of both the opposition and "the entire world community" am

      3. Well, if I received less than 50 percent of trust ... then VELKAM in Rostov-on-Don !!! drinks

      That was a really bloodless solution to the question asked in the title of the article ... And according to the law ... and in honor ... and in fairness ... hi

      Well, just as the West does not dodge to get closer to Russia winked
      1. +4
        11 September 2020 16: 24
        The promises of the West are sweet, but the consequences are tough ... hi
      2. -1
        11 September 2020 17: 17
        Quote: Terenin
        how the west does not dodge to get closer to Russia

        What for? Simple question
        1. +3
          11 September 2020 20: 38
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Terenin
          how the west does not dodge to get closer to Russia

          What for? Simple question

          Sylvester, are you going to joke again? Oh well winked .
          To your
          Quote: Silvestr
          Simple question
          simple answer: natural greed and a sense of impunity.

          Ah, to your "intellectually profound" crying question
          Quote: Silvestr
          But why?
          quietly ask, when you receive the next grant (or payment ...), from the developers ... huh?

          Well, let's go:
          -NATO's new military strategy (updated last May);
          -US Budgetary Funding for "Countering Russian Malicious Influence";
          -U.S. National Intelligence Strategy (where Russia for the first time is directly called adversary):
          -Pentagon's program to destabilize Belarus as an ally of Russia (2019), now we see it works:
          -The strategy of economic, military and political weakening of Russia - "income limitation and cost imposition":
          -The Pentagon's Trojan Horse Strategy (invasion of enemy lines ...):
          -Special program of the US National Security Agency "Hydra" - a program for spying on users:
          -British Government Information Project Integrity Initiative (II) (It is through this structure, disclosed by the Anonymous hackers, that information sabotage against Russia is carried out within the framework of Program II):
          -New project of Great Britain on information fight against Russia "EXPOSE Network":
          -Infrastructure of Influence Project (The EU is allocating more than 1,3 million euros, funding will go to training programs for "young political leaders" in a number of states, including Russia):

          Well, and so on "little things" -
          -The US Joint Chiefs of Staff has released a 60-page new doctrine on the Pentagon's nuclear operations, where the US "allows the use of nuclear weapons to" restore strategic stability. " After a while, the document was removed from the site, but it remained on the network. It was called: "War against Russia: Western plans for the complete destruction of Russia":
          -German strategy to intimidate Russia in Donbass:
          -US Indo-Pacific Strategy (At the end of the strategy block devoted to Russia, geographers from the Pentagon switch from the Indo-Pacific region to the ... ):
          -US strategy to counter Russia in the Black Sea:
          - "Special operations concept»Directorate of Special Forces (DVSN) of Great Britain:
          -Pentagon biological attack programs (American biological weapons of the Georgian laboratory of Lugar ... insects carry viruses that change the genetic structure of plants) ...

          And this is just the last year. And only from open sources.
          It is worth recalling that previously developed strategies-plans-doctrines-programs have not ceased to function. The work is going global.
          For example, the implementation of the military Arctic strategy of Great Britain in 2018, or the disinformation centers that are gaining momentum in the Balkans, the Czech Republic, and the Baltic states.

          By the way, Sylvester, just all this is AGAINST RUSSIA!
    5. -2
      11 September 2020 16: 36
      the rainbow ones will not appear over the hill.
    6. -1
      11 September 2020 17: 12
      Here you are deeply mistaken. Even if dad got 100-110-1000%, all the same, the Anglo-Saxons and all sorts of the most democratic and just countries like Poland, the Baltic States, the Czech Republic and various other Poles will say that dad cut all the cables on the sites, put his hirelings, invited his spies and in general all all all the elections were completely rigged and screwed up, but in fact Gmuandzhoy-Tmukhanovsky won, who did not wake up drunk and could not be brought to the polling station. Lukashenka's recruits prevented him: they stuck to him, started twisting the winner's hands, shouting that he shouldn’t drink so little, and offering to get drunk. To which Gmuandzhoy-Tmukhanovsky honestly answered them that he does not drink at all, and therefore victory is his, if someone does not believe, then he can go to Poland or the Baltic states ...
    7. +2
      13 September 2020 20: 38
      He knows very well that his rating is 15%. It is for this reason that he does not want to do anything, but only sets the security officials against the people. He lost the elections, it is clear to absolutely everyone in Belarus. Despite the fact that he used the entire administrative and repressive apparatus. And all the same he lost to the housewife devastatingly.
  5. 0
    11 September 2020 15: 24
    Is there a dead end?
  6. -5
    11 September 2020 15: 24
    The Belarusians also expected a single condemnation and help from all over Europe.
    I think not all Belarusians, but only some of them.
  7. +11
    11 September 2020 15: 25
    How to get out of this situation is unclear.

    It is clear just: the unification of fraternal peoples.
    1. -2
      11 September 2020 15: 55
      It is clear just: the unification of fraternal peoples.

      The Russian VTsIOM recently conducted a survey in Russia on this topic - somewhere, only 30% of Russians spoke in favor of unification (this is from memory) and 30% have not yet decided ...
      1. -2
        11 September 2020 17: 15
        Quote: lucul
        Russian VTsIOM completely

        I read about 40% "For".
        Your minuses are from those who do not understand the process, from those who profuse Belarus, those who are in captivity of Great Russian chauvinism.
    2. -1
      11 September 2020 17: 16
      Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
      It’s clear just the unification of fraternal peoples

      How is it technologically? Took a drink and united? Are we going to ask or are we drunk?
  8. +1
    11 September 2020 15: 26
    Belarus and Ukraine are also Russia. This is a Russian dead end. But how were the Russians driven into a dead end and what to do with them now?
    1. +4
      11 September 2020 17: 12
      Quote: iouris
      Belarus and Ukraine are also Russia.

      With this attitude, you have nothing to talk about with Belarusians, and even more so with a Ukrainian.
      Quote: iouris
      This is a Russian dead end

      This is a dead end for the policy of the Russian authorities. All of Luka's opponents were pro-Russian oriented and all went to jail. Fighting with them, Luka fought against Russia and only the lazy one did not shout about it on VO a month ago. Now all together made Luka pro-Russian.
      Luka fights only for himself.
      But our diplomacy is again in a warm place - supporting Luka we will worsen relations with the Belarusians, but in our hearts they understand everything - Luka will throw, throw. And the Belarusians will stay. And how to live with them after that?
  9. +2
    11 September 2020 15: 26
    I have to admit, but this article made a pretty strong impression on me. And that is why, here an assessment is given, or rather, a real look at the events taking place in Belarus now. So to speak, a view from the outside. I will add a little. At the beginning of the year, Lukashenka already raised the issue of carrying out a constitutional reform, where in his speeches there were questions of limiting the powers of the President. Not everything was specific and it was surprising what the incumbent President says about the future limitations of his powers. Then there were still no questions about the presidential elections. One might think that even then the end of Lukashenka's activities was supposed. So, Lukashenka’s statements about the constitutional reform, and the recent parliamentary and presidential elections are no longer news. Well, what next? I think this is the future of Belarus. Another year or two or three, a new Constitution will be adopted, a new Parliament, a new President (not Lukashenko) will be elected, and that’s all, Belarus, as a sovereign state, will end. With luck, there will be autonomy. To whom to say thank you, it is clear, this is our demonstration audience, which achieves what it does not know itself. They do not know what "bad" is, and so, let them feel what capitalism is in the full sense of the word. They dug a hole for themselves. The situation is similar to how the USSR was falling apart,
    1. -2
      11 September 2020 16: 37
      and this is an exact copy of the collapsed suburb
    2. +2
      11 September 2020 17: 06
      Quote: AlexGa
      Another year, two or three, a new Constitution will be adopted

      There is no this time, no! It's about today and tomorrow!
      1. +1
        11 September 2020 18: 49
        As you can tell, in Belarus they don't write the Constitution on their knees.
        1. +4
          11 September 2020 21: 54
          Quote: AlexGa
          As you can tell, in Belarus they don't write the Constitution on their knees.

          do they write?
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      1. 0
        12 September 2020 11: 41
        And the article has nothing to do with it. It is enough to remember how the events developed in 1991 and the Kiev Maidans in 2004 and 2014. But for those who want to experience everything on their own skin, there are no barriers!
  10. +6
    11 September 2020 15: 28
    I would say that Belarus ended up in the basement without an exit. Or dead end ...

    Yes, it's a basement and a dead end ...
    Belarus was part of a huge whole, a real part. How, sorry for the comparison, the muscle of the biceps brachii ... when suddenly this muscle was surgically separated from the body and forced to contract on its own for almost three decades. The muscle, of course, is strong and developed, but the meaning of its contraction outside a single mother's organism is nonsense, a dead end and aimless existence.
    Through the efforts of Lukashenka and 10 million Belarusians, and on the Soviet foundation, these years have been lived, and then what ... a dead end. And it's not about the protests and enemies from the West, which have always been. The problem is deeper, for each of the Belarusians. What's next?
    And then awareness and ... either reunification with the "organism", or slow death in the hands of irreconcilable enemies.
    1. -4
      11 September 2020 15: 41
      Through the efforts of Lukashenka and 10 million Belarusians, and on the Soviet foundation, these years have been lived, and then what ... a dead end.

      Belarus is the project that Gorbachev (and his clique) aspired to during his Perestroika. A powerful state sector and more or less developed private business. Many problems of the USSR, in Belarus, have not been eliminated until now - for example, the equalization of wages is the same. Whether you want to work or not work, you will receive the same salary. As a result, the last socialist project failed.
    2. +4
      11 September 2020 15: 47
      And what will happen after the type of reunification with the body? Yes, like ours - the total collapse of the entire surviving Soviet legacy, the privatization of what is badly nailed by the right people for a penny, the seizure of everything at least a little tasty by Putin's alligators, the total deterioration of the people's life, the deprivation of all social benefits won under socialism, the global rise in prices, tariffs - and so on. You know it yourself. Now the question is - why is all this happiness to the Belarusian brothers?
      1. +2
        11 September 2020 16: 15
        Now the question is - why is all this happiness to the Belarusian brothers?

        This is another question, no less difficult than the first ...
        But, firstly, those who are now in power are not eternal ... and secondly, it is painful to watch how cunning Western bankers force their Slavic brothers to kill each other. And what awaits Belarusians in the western team: a war with Russia and the rapid destruction of the human image.
      2. -1
        14 September 2020 07: 27
        Quote: paul3390
        You know it yourself. Now the question is - why is all this happiness to the Belarusian brothers?

        And on the other hand - with the EU - happiness is straight to everyone and it's free ???? There are the same oligarchs, no worse than ours ...
    3. +3
      11 September 2020 17: 04
      Quote: Doccor18
      either reunification with the "organism", or slow death in the hands of irreconcilable enemies.

      In transplantation, tissue / organ rejection occurs even with complete anatomical compliance, but due to an immunological conflict.
      And who is the enemy? The one who incorrectly performed the transplant, or the one who missed the immune conflict?
      1. 0
        11 September 2020 20: 02
        And who is the enemy?

        Those who allowed the dissection and those who want to finally tear away the once native tissues.
  11. -1
    11 September 2020 15: 34
    Lukashenka will lose, then, later. After the adoption of the Constitution and the holding of elections. It's a shame for Belarus, they will ruin it. The author of the rights is the opposition, destructive. Nothing real is offered.
    1. -4
      11 September 2020 16: 40
      what opposition? where did you see her? There is no opposition there, there is a paid intervention of rainbow homosexuals. If you gouge a hollow ... - and not such an inverted consciousness will be.
      1. +2
        11 September 2020 20: 15
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        There is no opposition there, there is a paid intervention of rainbow homosexuals.

        If you see homosexuals everywhere, hollowing and other "joys" ... then maybe the problem is in you?

        But in one thing you are right. We have no opposition. There are people and power that has lost its shores.
        1. -1
          12 September 2020 19: 43
          Well? .... A coup? the outskirts did not teach? Or do you "provide" more democratic elections? And who is this for all the people Pulling a Pen?
    2. +5
      11 September 2020 17: 00
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      opposition, destructive.

      Is the government constructive? Then where is the effect of this constructivism?
  12. -3
    11 September 2020 15: 35
    The way out is simple and obvious to the disgrace.
    Enough for Belarus to pretend to be "innocence". It's time to "go to bed" under the Kremlin.
    Otherwise it will end up in the European "brothel" and will use everyone. And there will be no one to intercede for her.
    The blue-eyed "girl" has no other "suitors".
    1. +4
      11 September 2020 16: 58
      Quote: prior
      Enough for Belarus to pretend to be "innocence". It's time to "go to bed" under the Kremlin.

      Girls of easy virtue go to bed. For money.
      These girls have no suitors, there are users.
      Offering a bed is not averse to ask for a desire, otherwise it will already be rape
      Fortunately, Belarus is a girl of decent behavior.
      1. 0
        11 September 2020 17: 14
        That is, Belarus took money from Russia, flirted with the West, but at the same time remained a girl of decent behavior?
        1. +3
          11 September 2020 17: 21
          Quote: prior
          That is, Belarus took money from Russia, with

          So she took from the West, and Russia takes. I didn't take it for free, I returned it.
          And if you wanted to buy, then immediately negotiate the terms of purchase and sale. So everywhere and everyone gives. A promise to get married is not a reason for an investment
  13. 0
    11 September 2020 15: 36
    Probably the most important result of the past month was that the authorities exposed all or almost all opposition supporters within the security forces and the bureaucratic apparatus. Leaders also appeared, including the leaders of the opposition's militant wing.

    Almost everyone, Luka only needed to make it clear that he had lost - in order to reveal everyone ... But he was reinsured)))
  14. +5
    11 September 2020 15: 37
    Gorgeous thought!

    "And fourthly. The opposition leadership amicably fought abroad. Who and how made the" glavnyuk "run away is not important. Another thing is important."

    Of course, it doesn't matter who and by what methods made the "glavnyuk" run away, right !?
    Well, let it be illegal, well, let it be violent, so what? The state must act illegally, but what is it? Yes, the author?
    You are surprised to manage to break through the bottom even where it would be indicated, and it cannot be
    1. +4
      11 September 2020 16: 53
      Quote: Revival
      The state must act illegally, but what is it? Yes, the author?

      Exactly! Misunderstanding of the process leads to misinterpretation and ineffective treatment.
    2. +4
      11 September 2020 20: 21
      Quote: Revival
      Of course, it doesn't matter who and by what methods made the "glavnyuk" run away, right !?
      Well, let it be illegal, well, let it be violent, so what? The state must act illegally, but what is it? Yes, the author?
      You are surprised to manage to break through the bottom even where it would be indicated, and it cannot be

      Just applaud fellow Quite sincerely! Such an opinion is an incredible rarity on the pages of this resource.
      Indeed, why is everyone shouting so much that the "oath opposition" is fleeing the country through official checkpoints when a "case" is opened against them? Why do people who are on the "day" in isolation wards suddenly find themselves abroad? Why are there always good uncles from the KGB and recorded videos with a confession, only in which those eyes are on the floor?
      Or why are Belarusians not allowed back in? As a Catholic priest or a former head of the Kupala Theater?
      Nobody is interested. The law is not about the CIS.
      1. +6
        11 September 2020 22: 14
        Moreover, I want to note!
        That I do not even take such a moment as whether violence from the state is good or bad is the second question.
        I am against hypocrisy!

        Throw out the opposition by force, throw it out, But do not be a hypocrite!

        Thrown out by force, say that this is our position, such is our right! This is what we want and this is what we do! (then, accordingly, on occasion, we do not complain, and we do not take offense at adequate response methods, the rules of the game are selected and announced) ...

        Then write directly such a law, they say we want, we can throw it out!
        Do not hide yourself hypocritically under the guise of the generally accepted concept of democracy!

        It is precisely against this hypocrisy that I am in the first place, on the part of anyone!
    3. +6
      11 September 2020 22: 02
      Quote: Revival
      You are surprised to manage to break through the bottom even where it would be indicated, and it cannot be

      there is no bottom in this matter, since many have no brains. Keosayan insulted the Belarusians with his clownish video. Shevchenko asked him a simple question: what about the black ones in Armenia?
      Even those who should have them according to their position
  15. +7
    11 September 2020 15: 37
    There is always a way out. Only the Belarusians should get together and bring to power not someone from the past, not a "protopole" with a German whip in his hands, not a "pot-bellied and thieving Volga merchant" from the XNUMXth century, but a sane person who at first will continue Lukashenko's course, but then he will put, relying on the achievements of Belarus, about its leading position in the CIS and the entire post-Soviet space. There is no need to be afraid of this. The USSR once got scared of leadership in the world and died, destroyed by petty bourgeois who starved in childhood, who tried to slow down its development just to have a bowl of soup for lunch and a healthy aunt at midnight. Let's hope that, after all, in Russia "pot-bellied merchants are a minority", and the Poles will get a kick from the overseas owner and stop their clowning. If this is not the case, well, the Belarusians will go to the partisans, only they will be hiding not in their forests, but in the whole World. I would not like it to come to this.
    1. -1
      14 September 2020 07: 52
      Quote: 1536
      a sane person who at first will continue the course of Lukashenka,

      They don’t want to continue Lukashenka’s course !!!! That's what the trouble is ... Otherwise, there would have been nothing ...
  16. +3
    11 September 2020 15: 42
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    An abscess can be successfully treated in only one way - an autopsy! Lukashenka needs to open this abscess and remove all this "pus" that has accumulated there in recent years. And thoroughly disinfect - so that a new abscess does not arise in this place!


    Which abscess - the existing form of government or the economy operating in manual mode and depending on the main sales market?
  17. +2
    11 September 2020 15: 50
    The whole impasse is that no one wants to do anything. One protests showed that next time, it will be possible to shoot, since only lead in the flesh makes you listen and make decisions.
  18. bar
    0
    11 September 2020 16: 03
    Quote: Corona without virus
    in a month would hold a referendum ... UNDER THE FULL CONTROL OF ANY PARTIES

    Here are just "any parties" again would not have sent their observers, and then again the same tale about the same white bull.
    1. +2
      11 September 2020 16: 07
      Quote: bar
      But "any parties" would not send their observers again


      This means that we would have to make do with Belarusian ones. No problem.
  19. +3
    11 September 2020 16: 11
    As the head of Lukashenka, he did not know how to manage the collective farm, but how he came to power, how he sang when he was elected and I don't want to talk. As for the production facilities that will be sold and destroyed, there will be such a thing, MAZ is sure and will soon fall apart, although the buses are not bad, but the trucks have already merged. They do not meet eco-standards, nobody needs them in Europe, there are much better cars. But many run up against it, the same Tatra, Sizu, destroyed. Renault tractors barely keep afloat. And remember what the monsters were, Quince, Panasonic, Grundik, no. It’s not very good to change directors of collective farms and factories, I came to go broke, everyone was fired. So people know how to choose, you have appointed and you are responsible for the appointee. And the fact that Lukashenka will not leave so easily is a fact, And he does not care about Belarus, the place is lured, cool.
  20. +2
    11 September 2020 16: 20
    Therefore, he agreed to constitutional reform and early elections of the president and parliament.


    He understands this, but he will do it under pressure ...
  21. 0
    11 September 2020 16: 41
    I am always amazed at the inconsistency of a person. A person can become an executioner only because he considers the execution of a criminal a just measure to protect society from exactly the same killer, but standing on the other side of the law. Even a whole philosophical system of views has been invented, which explains that murder, execution, death of people in war are different things. That to kill an enemy is like not to kill, but just pat on the head.

    And where is the illogicality? Even Gandhi with his "salt campaign" was not a principled opponent of punishing criminals. A person assumes the role of an executioner according to the law in the name of protecting society, i.e. other, uninvolved people. A priori protects them from future possible crimes of the criminal. And in the case, for example, with Gandhi's co-religionists, it is also so that the criminal in his next life is not obliged to suffer for the crimes committed earlier. So everything is very, very logical. Why this passage at the beginning of a generally good article is not clear to me personally. Explain who can, please.
  22. +5
    11 September 2020 16: 50
    The author is simply manipulating events.
    It is because of this understanding that Ukraine happened.
    In both cases, the primary was the unmotivated beating of civilians, on the Maidan, which was dying out, that dissatisfied with the results of the vote.
    This blew up the society of Ukraine - the Maidan got a second wind, and in Belarus the processions continue.
    It is stupid to accuse the Belarusians of trying to seize power, because if there was such a goal, they would have done it. As in Ukraine.
    And the author's recipes are erroneous due to a mistaken understanding of the disease. In the treatment of a disease, success is only when it is etiopathogenic!
    Neither Putin nor Lukashenko can consolidate the society of Belarus for the simple reason that the former is the leader of a foreign state, to which Belarus is treated well (so far), but is not ready to merge, and the latter is simply a huge irritant of the Belarusians.
    And Putin's support for Lukashenko does not add points to our president. Lukashenko is toxic to both Belarus and Putin.
    What will happen next is clear to the author, but not clear how to proceed. There is a proverb "if you don't know the ford, don't stick your nose into the water," and even with closed eyes.
    1. -1
      11 September 2020 18: 37
      Quote: Silvestr
      It is stupid to accuse the Belarusians of trying to seize power, because if there was such a goal, they would have done it. As in Ukraine.


      In this case, you are talking complete nonsense, this contradicts both the history of mankind and simple banal logic. To want to seize power and to seize it are very different things in reality. So they Wanted, even tried, but did not sniff and were forced to go over to a peaceful protest ...
      1. +3
        11 September 2020 18: 51
        Sorry, but you ...
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        You are talking in this case, complete nonsense

        What are the wishes of the demonstrators in the first 3 days? -
        Raise the photo, the demands of the demonstrators. And you shouldn't call your fantasies the Belarusians' wishlist
        You at least revered Lenin
        1. -2
          11 September 2020 18: 57
          You are fantasizing here, moreover, it is extremely stupid - it was on the first or second day that there was a peak of injuries and incapacitation of riot police officers, car rams forming riot police and attempts to seize weapons.

          However, the question is of a different order - what did you want to say, I didn't understand? Or is it an attempt to get off topic?
          Do you seriously think that your statement is sound?
          It is stupid to accuse the Belarusians of trying to seize power, because if there was such a goal, they would have done it.

          1. +2
            11 September 2020 19: 01
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            You fantasize here

            Do not flood! See the chronology of events.
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            failure of riot police officers,

            Explore the chronology
            1. -2
              11 September 2020 19: 03
              I just studied it, plus I talked closely with friends and relatives in Minsk in the first three days ..

              So take your advice
              Do not flood!
              to yourself.
              1. +6
                11 September 2020 19: 07
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                friends and relatives in Minsk communicated in the first

                Even with the Pope. There are film and photo documents with filming dates.
                1. -1
                  11 September 2020 19: 11
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  There are film and photo documents with filming dates.


                  That is, you did not understand how things were there. I just looked. And you are confusing the cause with the effect. And along the way got off topic in part of your ridiculous statement
                  It is stupid to accuse the Belarusians of trying to seize power, because if there was such a goal, they would have done it.

                  Okay. I dare not detain you any longer. Go in peace.
                2. +2
                  11 September 2020 20: 54
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  friends and relatives in Minsk communicated in the first

                  Even with the Pope. There are film and photo documents with filming dates.

                  Sylvester, well, you won't be able to "drive empty" on the forum. This whole scenario was planned by the West just in case win Lukashenko. And you, by the way, play your part in this scenario. But, as always, not convincing No. .
                  Be lazy. Yes
          2. +5
            11 September 2020 19: 24
            We took the Urals, booked a little, I would like the riot police to scatter. But this was not, there was no coup attempt, probably in fact the people are not happy. Blame America for everything, well then admit that the Americans are smart, keep the world in their fists, And we will go to paradise, and now they live well.
  23. 0
    11 September 2020 17: 13
    Lukashenka must hear an opinion that does not exist

    Well said !!!! There are no programs, no parties .. What are the three "klushki" with a suspicious orientation, that they are trying to take selfies and show off at all sorts of briefings ..
    Old Man of course "son of a dog", but OUR !!!! After all, he was warned to bite his tongue. And something is being prepared .. Now he runs with a gun and a sticking mustache ..))))
    Soon he will meet with Putin in Sochi! Everything will be decided there ..
    The situation is very serious guys .. The loss of Belarus as well, this will be a very serious blow to all of us in Russia .. (no matter how we have to dig trenches)
    1. +1
      13 September 2020 20: 42
      Of course, there will be no opinions. If all sane people are thrown into prisons and killed. Or to extricate themselves abroad from their native land. Well, nothing, the economic crisis cannot be corrected with a baton.
  24. -2
    11 September 2020 17: 20
    There is a way out: to follow Nazarbayev's path, declare himself the father of all Belarusians, and appoint his son as acting president, especially since all power structures are subordinate to him ... smile
    1. +3
      11 September 2020 18: 22
      BelarusElbasy, okay, or this Belarusian woman. wassat
      1. +5
        11 September 2020 18: 40
        And if it's no joke, there are no pro-Russian forces in Belarus. Batka has cleaned everything up and brought up such a generation, and more than one, which goes under the BKB flags ... Will there be another term, how many years are there, 5 years and more? Today's abscess will heal, but the core will not pull out. Any party that will act from pro-Russian positions will be called Lukashenka’s. It seems that for some time Belarus will be lost to Russia, in the geopolitical plan. The only hope is that the forces that will come after Lukashenka will not last long .. Summing up, there is little good.
  25. -4
    11 September 2020 17: 29
    Quote: Silvestr

    In both cases, the primary was the unmotivated beating of civilians, on the Maidan, which was dying out, that dissatisfied with the results of the vote.
    This blew up the society of Ukraine - the Maidan got a second wind, and in Belarus the processions continue.

    And how do you think the authorities should react to demonstrations. City streets, cars are driving, pedestrians are walking. There is a procession, blocking the roads and sidewalks, the city collapses. Once, twice, what will happen next. If they held a meeting on the outskirts, in the field, I think the civilians would have less problems. I think you will probably agree that demonstrations in the field will not suit peaceful people, you need a picture, you need an information feed.
    1. +3
      11 September 2020 19: 31
      In the field, they can scare gophers, crush worms, trample the flowers, in Belovezhskaya Pushcha the bison will be scared, the bulls will start to cover the cows, you think you need to huddle in the booth, whine with it a little, and then wiggle snot on your fist.
  26. +10
    11 September 2020 17: 33
    I am from Belarus and you are absolutely right, the country is at a dead end.
    But you have an incomplete understanding of the situation.
    So.
    1. If you focus on 136 open protocols of election commissions (all in cities) where Tikhanovskaya won (out of the total number of commissions more than 5000), and carry out a certain extrapolation of the city and the countryside, then Lukashenko won with a level of somewhere 55-57%, and Tikhanovskaya scored somewhere 40-45%. Many voted against everyone (including me). This is how our people treat Mr. Lukashenko.
    2. To a dear friend, it seemed a little and 80% were voiced. Based on the principle, the crowd used to swallow and will now swallow. Mistake.
    3. The people were indignant and went out into the street.
    4. Lukashenka decided that he would kill everyone to the fullest and the people would get scared. For the first 2 days, the security forces soaked everyone indiscriminately.
    5. For the people it came as a shock and the expansion of protests began.
    6. And if now there were repeated elections, after all that Lukashenka has done during these days, then people who previously voted for him would now vote against.
    7. The comrade got scared and began to urgently call VVP and try to negotiate.
    8. Lukashenka cannot bear the GDP after all his freaks, he is forced to support it since there is no alternative during the transition period. And this is a complete puncture of all the responsible services of the Russian Federation. Was it really impossible to calculate what this person is? Indeed, thanks to his quiet nationalization, the percentage of people who want to unite with the Russian Federation has decreased many times. Now 25-30%, no more. All young people are looking at Poland and Lithuania. After all, all this time they talked about the greatness of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which had fought the Russian Kingdom all its life .. The school program, however.
    9. The statements of the GDP on the creation of a power reserve to help Belarus (cooling heads in the West) were perceived by our population as direct support of the unpopular Lukashenka and that the Russian Federation is encroaching on sovereignty.
    10. As a result, anti-Russian slogans at the last march in Minsk and the perception of Russia as an aggressor.
    11. And this is really a complete kapets and dead end.
    12. I can't imagine what will happen next!
    1. -5
      11 September 2020 18: 18
      Yes, you can hold elections for the President of Belarus 100 times, and there will always be one result - one part of Belarusians will be FOR Lukashenko, and the other for anyone, just to vote AGAINST Lukashenko, and they don't care what these "opposition" candidates are like, and what will happen to Belarus and its people if their candidate wins against Lukashenka.
    2. 0
      11 September 2020 18: 43
      Quote: Sergey Tishkov
      and that the Russian Federation is encroaching on sovereignty.


      Yes, the majority of the population do not care about this father's fetish. Although in general and in general I agree with you except for this point - Lukashenka decided that he would kill everyone to the fullest and the people would be scared. For the first 2 days, the siloviki soaked everyone indiscriminately. In my opinion, it was not like that.
      1. +1
        11 September 2020 20: 47
        The normal actions of the security officials during such actions are the identification of coordinators and trained militants in the crowd (and they were, and no one denies this, Poland and Lithuania hold seminars well) and pulling them out of the crowd plus SOFTly ousting the rest. You see how your experts reacted to this by the way in the first 2 days assessing the actions of the Belarusian security forces, FULL NEPROFESSIONALISM! This is by the way when the Kremlin still called people on the streets protesters, and not an outrageous crowd. It was then a general decision was made to support Mr. Lukashenko. In general, there was a complete feeling that the riot police broke loose from the chain, as if they had been pumped up with something. You judge this by communication with friends and relatives in Minsk, and I by the number of patients admitted to clinics with rubber injuries (knocked out eyes and ruptured limbs) and their social profile. They obviously did not pull on trained fighters.
    3. +1
      11 September 2020 22: 07
      Quote: Sergey Tishkov
      So.
      1. If you focus on 136 open protocols of election commissions (all in cities) where Tikhanovskaya won (out of the total number of commissions more than 5000), and carry out a certain extrapolation of the city and the countryside, then Lukashenko won with a level of somewhere 55-57%, and Tikhanovskaya scored somewhere 40-45%. Many voted against everyone (including me). This is how our people treat Mr. Lukashenko.
      2. To a dear friend, it seemed a little and 80% were voiced. Based on the principle, the crowd used to swallow and will now swallow. Mistake.
      3. The people were indignant and went out into the street.
      4. Lukashenka decided that he would kill everyone to the fullest and the people would get scared. For the first 2 days, the security forces soaked everyone indiscriminately.
      5. For the people it came as a shock and the expansion of protests began.


      You're all lying! Here the gentleman has painted everything like clockwork.

      Quote: Terenin
      This entire scenario was planned by the West precisely in case Lukashenka won.


      What do you
      Quote: Sergey Tishkov
      Sergey Tishkov

      you understand in the affairs of Belarus, from the Moscow bell tower you know better hi
  27. -6
    11 September 2020 17: 35
    We must catch Alekseevich, put him in a cage and show people for free.
    1. +6
      11 September 2020 22: 09
      Quote: 7,62x54
      We must catch Alekseevich, put him in a cage and show people for free.

      Seriously? Why are you worse? Also in the cage. Bottom
  28. +4
    11 September 2020 17: 37
    To someone who wants to know right now what will happen next,
    need to be patient. Well, there is no answer to the question now.
    It is also useful to listen to Lukashenka's direct speech.
    Although he was called cunning, he is surprisingly
    straightforward. Recent examples:
    "Power is not taken in order to give it away .." And what is not clear?
    To prosecutors - "you are the state - do as you see fit"
    (something like that) Ie. there is a state, and there are citizens and a state
    FOR CITIZENS writes laws (how to cross the street, how to sell a house,
    how to get married, etc.,) But the STATE itself will do as
    THINKS NECESSARY. Is it clear to the prosecutors? And we understand everything.
    So "dead end, basement, no way out" - this is completely past.
    (One Ukrainian leader joked - even if you were eaten -
    you have two exits). And wait, I think, not long.
  29. 0
    11 September 2020 17: 49
    The crowd stands in front of the factory management and chants, like in a stadium: “Come out! Come out! Come out! " It is clear that the people, this mass, are demanding a director. And he comes out! And then a new slogan appears: “Go away! Go away! Go away! .. "

    This is already a full-fledged anecdote.
  30. dSK
    +2
    11 September 2020 18: 00
    The longer Tikhanovskaya's husband is detained, the greater her "political weight". They cannot show him anything significant. LAG it will come out "big sideways".
    Tikhanovskaya "will break into a cake", but pull out her husband.
    Love is a tremendous power.
  31. +2
    11 September 2020 18: 07
    I have been carefully reading VO for a long time, in theory, Skomorokhov's article should now follow that everything is bad in Belarus and Lukashenka should leave, or something like that. I was just comparing the articles of these authors on the eve of the vote for amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. But in my opinion, the problem is fully disclosed to itself
  32. -6
    11 September 2020 18: 29
    Here we still need to adequately assess the situation. Both the Belarusian "opposition" and its Western and European curators are trying to convince people that almost all of the Belarusian people have rebelled against Lukashenko. But this is clearly not the case. Here I am a Muscovite, in 1991 the population of Moscow was about the same as it is now in Belarus, and when hundreds of thousands of Muscovites came to the rallies of home-grown "democrats" to shout "Down with the Communists!", All other Muscovites lived their own lives, studied, worked, and Like the whole USSR, they watched on TV those who believed all the lies and delirium of the "democrats". And now few of them admit that they believed the "democrats" because they are ashamed.
  33. +6
    11 September 2020 18: 52
    I remember a meeting at a factory at the very beginning of the protests. The crowd stands in front of the factory management and chants, like in a stadium: “Come out! Come out! Come out! " It is clear that the people, this mass, are demanding a director.
    And if you write TRUTH


    No need for a set of letters and deception.
    The people want all those arrested to be released, including the candidates for the President of Belarus who were arrested before the elections.
    And the provision of new elections.
    And it's all!
  34. -1
    11 September 2020 19: 23
    On September 14, Lukashenko will meet with Putin. I think everything will be resolved there. There is no need to fence in a garden.
    1. +1
      11 September 2020 19: 58
      Quote: nikvic46
      I think everything will be settled there. There is no need to fence a garden.

      The question is how it will be decided which side Vladimir Putin will take.
      The side of the intriguer or the side of the people who are 90% for good relations with Russia
      Lukashenko's son is already studying in Moscow, I think that there will be a place for his father on Rublevka.
      I already wrote that the requirements of the people are minimal.
      The people want all those arrested to be released, including the candidates for the President of Belarus who were arrested before the elections.
      And the provision of new elections.
      1. 0
        14 September 2020 08: 06
        Have you read Tikhanovskaya's program?
        "Reorganize unprofitable enterprises with the help of highly qualified economists" (not literally !!) - does this remind you of anything?
        You won't have any industry after the new elections, you won't ...
  35. +6
    11 September 2020 19: 46
    The situation in Belarus has reached a dead end

    Right.
    President Lukashenko understands that in order to preserve the unity of the country, he must remain in power.

    It is categorically wrong. This is the point of view of Lukashenko himself (the state is me), Putin (weak and compliant Lukashenko is very convenient) and a number of Russians from the category of land collectors.

    To maintain unity, he must leave, period.

    He also understands that the system of power needs to be changed.

    He does not understand and it is not for this that he has been building a system of complete and individual power for 25 years.

    Therefore, he agreed to constitutional reform and early elections of the president and parliament.

    He had already carried out three constitutional reforms without it, and on each he added more power and control to himself. And he has been talking about the new version since 2016 and has been developing everything. All these speeches about reform are dragging out time, and if there is a change, he will quickly retain his power outside the presidency with full immunity from law enforcement.

    The parliamentary elections are ridiculous. They do not decide anything and elect them similarly to the presidential elections, but even those who sacredly believed in "honesty" saw how this happens this time.

    Leaders also appeared, including the leaders of the opposition's militant wing.

    Which is only in the imagination of Russian fighters against the "maydanuts"? Then right.

    Probably the most important result of the past month was that the authorities

    Demonstrated for whom she considers people and that she does not give a damn about everything. On people, on life, on laws, on rights, on moral standards, on the economy. For all.
    Except for the power of ONE person with a mental disorder. Because of which he was thrown out of the army.

    But this will not in any way affect the growth of protest moods within society. The abscess will still mature further. How to get out of this situation is unclear.

    And here is a surprisingly sober view of things. The protest has no leaders, as if the authorities did not want it. They could have imprisoned candidates in 2010 and silenced the protest, but now they are not. The leader is the Belarusian people.

    If the authorities don't back down, then yes. This abscess will ripen and no matter how much the authorities want to, no matter how they try to stifle dissent, this is no longer possible. People will not forget the actions of the "siloviks" from the 9-11th, they will not forget the desecration of people, of the law, of common sense. They will not forget all the false speeches from state channels, officials and the "torch" itself. Many things will not be forgotten, and now they (the authorities) are throwing up even more reasons for hatred.

    What will happen next ? The authorities will not investigate the arbitrariness of the "siloviks" and when they try to release them on the brakes, it will explode in such a way that it will not seem enough to anyone. Any event will be capable of blowing up everything.

    How to get out of this situation is not clear

    How to get out is clear. But the "authorities" (ie, he) will not agree to this. Otherwise, he will end his years in prison with his elekhtar in the person of the OMON.
  36. +2
    11 September 2020 23: 37
    Is there a way out of the Belarusian impasse?
    Yes! And Lukashenka is not there. He did everything for this. He tried as best he could. No one could keep him literally in an effort to lose his throne. I personally yelled literally on the eve of his elections, let the guys go to Russia immediately. He let them go, but not immediately. And with a bunch of questions. Plus all his rotten multi-vector. Non-recognition of Crimea, etc. And after the elections, his behavior is sheer political hara-kiri.
    How to get out of this situation is unclear.
    - Lukashenka resigns No. The coronavirus gave a complication) Russia, faithful to the collective security agreement, is included in Belorussiyu.No? Well then, let's be patient and see where it all leads.
    1. 0
      14 September 2020 08: 21
      Quote: Observer2014
      Russia, faithful to the collective security treaty, enters Belarus
      - The Russian Federation will immediately "occupy" Will, and for the population of the Republic of Belarus ..
  37. +6
    12 September 2020 08: 33
    Author! Sitting in Russia, are you trying to teach Belarusians how to live? Come, ask those who do not attend rallies, and then speak. Legal chaos is going on in the country. An ordinary citizen does not know who to ask for help, because "law" only works to protect riot police, police, judges ... There are many frightened citizens, but even more dissatisfied. And neither the coordinating council, nor anyone else will stop the protest. Ordinary citizens, seeing the lawlessness that the "power" creates, distribute its evidence among friends. And the Belarusian people can draw an analogy with the fascist occupation even without you.
    Even among the #Yabateks there are more and more victims of the lawlessness of the police and riot police. Who will order them to "stop"?
  38. +4
    12 September 2020 10: 51
    It’s boring to read, as soon as our government decided what to do with Belarus, a bunch of articles flew in defense of the cockroach. Moreover, they do not even hesitate to write such a heresy - "That's why I agreed to constitutional reform and early presidential and parliamentary elections." .. yes, in how many years? five? ten?

    What kind of country are we, that our friends are only dictators, then Syria, then North Korea, then Belarus. Maybe because we are the same?
    1. -1
      14 September 2020 08: 52
      Quote: Bad
      What kind of country are we that our friends are only dictators?

      We tried to be friends with the type "Decent" in the 90s .... to remind - how did it end ?? !!!
  39. +5
    12 September 2020 11: 08
    Remove the cockroach and the protests will subside, the problem is the person. This inadequate maniac zadolbal all that is not clear. What 80% support, half of Minsk on the street, the floor simply hates this maniac, and for this, aunts and pennies with state employees are drowned. Fuck it will go away in this is the problem of all dictators, the current is carried forward by feet of such ghouls
  40. +1
    12 September 2020 11: 54
    The author of the article is wrong. There is no dead end. Everything goes on as usual.
    Historical processes require a certain period of time.
  41. +4
    12 September 2020 15: 25
    Quote: Bad
    What kind of country are we, that our friends are only dictators, then Syria, then North Korea, then Belarus. Maybe because we are the same?

    Tooting. Maybe something is wrong in the "Danish kingdom"?
  42. +3
    12 September 2020 16: 34
    Quote: Crown without virus
    I will write my comment ... from the point of view of the Law good

    If I were in Lukashenka's place now ... and I would be completely sure that 80 percent for me is HONEST !!! ... then:
    ...
    That was a really bloodless solution to the question asked in the title of the article ... And according to the law ... and in honor ... and in fairness ... hi

    Here is just one problem - Lukashenka himself perfectly understands that he has lost devastatingly, so the stake is only on lawlessness.
    1. PIT
      0
      14 September 2020 16: 58
      to whom did you lose? or this woman from whose kitchen they gave an apartment in Warsaw?
  43. 0
    13 September 2020 20: 18
    Democracy is an instrument of enslavement by the minority of the majority
  44. 0
    14 September 2020 09: 28
    I was silent long enough.

    So they would be silent further. There was another far-seeing and all-knowing one.
  45. +2
    14 September 2020 10: 39
    It would be better if the author kept silent. Enchanting pre, not an article. I saw such stupid and stupid propaganda only on BT and ONT. The author obviously has no idea what is happening in Belarus now.
    Mlin, yes, the author should learn from Solovyov, Gasparyan and all this fraternity. The same propagandists, but they make it MUCH smarter.
    This article is just the height of stupidity.
  46. PIT
    0
    14 September 2020 16: 56
    What a dead end? in Belarus, there is no dead end ... maydauny authors can shove their wet dreams into the opu !!!
  47. 0
    14 September 2020 17: 04
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    For example, the Sverdlovsk Alkash earned the "honorary right" not just "to sit in another place", but a personal lamppost on Red Square and a silk cord lathered with the most expensive soap. Moreover, the lace is not for the neck, but for the legs. But nothing - he lived in warmth and comfort, buried with honors and for my taxes and millions of Russians received a personal freak show in Yekaterinburg - the refuge of the most terrible liberals and other traitors to the Motherland.

    Something you have "porridge-honey-. Ovno and bees." It is necessary for BNE to erect monuments for the fact that the country was preserved and the VV moved. And the so-called Yeltsin Center is actually a hornet's nest, but its aggregators just turn everything inside out and make white black
  48. 0
    15 September 2020 06: 11
    I look at my fellow citizens and understand that they are dull from a well-fed and quiet life. To vote for Tikhanovskaya and other opposition candidates is to be a clinical idiot and not understand anything about economics or politics.
  49. +1
    15 September 2020 09: 37
    This is not the first time I write, these experts hesitated, half of whom will not even find this country on the map Well, you live there for half a year, cook in that life. Naturally, I am constantly with her, especially in the last months before leaving TK, my mother's pension in translation was $ 105, the average salary in Borisov is $ 160-180 Prices for food, medicines, housing and communal services are quite comparable to those in Russia The political system is quite comparable to our, authoritarian leader, general lies and other delights. The country already owes $ 20 billion and still takes. Will give it back.? The moot point is that to live like this permanently.? And the protest has a very specific goal - the resignation of Lukashenka, because all problems in the country are associated with it.
    1. 0
      15 September 2020 09: 47
      So I'm wondering why all the shitty ones are associated with one person, but all the good things somehow worked out by themselves?
      1. 0
        15 September 2020 10: 15
        What's good then.?
        1. 0
          15 September 2020 10: 30
          Banal confidence in the future, the absence of shocks, stability in life.
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  51. 0
    15 September 2020 16: 00
    Apart from unfounded suspicions of dishonest elections in the Republic of Belarus, there are no material facts. What was the parallel counting of votes? Exit polls of serious unbiased services? Acts of observers? Those. everything that the real non-systemic opposition in Russia has already mastered? And for 20 years in the Russian Federation, it has not gained more than 5-7% in real elections. And it’s much easier to promote a picture.
    The same will happen in Belarus in a month. Sunday “festivities” even attract several tens of thousands. But this is rather an ochlocracy. Without a program, a goal, yelling and becoming infected with your own yelling. And maybe the uk.r. will end. coup option. If Father gives slack bully

    In our Ukraine, real elections a year ago showed that 75% are for Ze and against the active Donbass massacre. And the “hawks” and the pro-Western opposition are in a clear minority of 10-20%. But she is aggressive, loud-mouthed and also promotes herself everywhere. And the policemen, unlike the Belarusian police, stand on the sidelines during their Red Guard presence.
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  53. 0
    15 September 2020 19: 57
    so many words and not a single one about the reasons for this situation... cognitive dissonance in the author’s head
  54. 0
    16 September 2020 20: 52
    The author of the article is very far from what is happening in Belarus. It’s a pity that I didn’t come to this republic and see and hear what the Belarusians want. The majority of Belarusians. And the conclusions drawn on the basis of the picture broadcast by the state media of Belarus and Russia are not objective.
    Take advantage of the Internet and get information not from the state media. Try to see and hear the truth about what is happening in Belarus. In the meantime, I call this article ordinary demagoguery based on lies.
  55. 0
    16 September 2020 22: 07
    At Belaz there is the same crowd standing and shouting Ganba (that’s what I heard). From the outside it is seen as striking Belazians. But in reality, these are corrupt Judases from the outside. Belaz is increasing production. Unlike loudmouths, hard workers work for the country. The loudmouths want to see it as Ukraine-2.
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  57. 0
    19 September 2020 21: 47
    I remember the events of June 1962 in Novocherkassk, when crowds
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  59. 0
    9 November 2020 19: 18
    No, because there is no deadlock now.
  60. 0
    30 November 2020 08: 56
    There is an orange revolution in Belarus. Its goal is to make Belarus a problem for Russia. She specially prepared, the orange lecturers were recruited. But Western intelligence agencies chose the wrong time and the wrong place for her. That's why she stalled.