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Shoigu announced plans to upgrade all T-72 tanks to the T-72B3 level

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Shoigu announced plans to upgrade all T-72 tanks to the T-72B3 level

All available park tanks T-72 of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of T-72B3. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at the end of the Army Games 2020.


Speaking to reporters, the head of the military department explained that the army games gave impetus to the modernization of military equipment, including tanks. Shoigu recalled that modifications of the T-72B1 tank took part in the first competitions, and only as a result of the competition, proposals were made to modernize combat vehicles. The solutions applied by specialists led to an increase in the combat effectiveness and reliability of the tank and the appearance of the T-72B3.

As for our T-72 tanks, the games gave an impetus for their serious modernization. As a result, a modification of the T-72B3M appeared, which is not inferior in its characteristics, and in some ways even superior to modern foreign tanks. The Ministry of Defense plans to modernize all T-72 tanks in service to this modification.

- the minister said.

The head of the military department noted that not only Russia is modernizing its equipment based on the results of army competitions, the same is being done in China. In particular, the Chinese specialists, following the results of the Tank Biathlon, reduced the weight of their Type 96B tank, installed an anti-slip coating, improved mobility and improved the fire control system.

In general, according to the results of participation in the Games, over the past five years, samples of automotive, armored, engineering and other equipment have been refined and modernized, and even certain elements of military equipment have been improved.

- added Shoigu.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 6 September 2020 08: 01
    -11 qualifying.
    It is far from the rearmament of the army with Armata ... There are many problems ...
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 September 2020 08: 07
      28
      Many T-72 tanks
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 September 2020 08: 10
        20
        It is also one of the problems, not to hand over metal ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 26
          -26 qualifying.
          yes there are left in my 300 pieces in total.
          1. Pessimist22
            Pessimist22 6 September 2020 08: 33
            40
            About 2000 active and 8000 in reserve.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 38
              0
              according to the plant, versions up to 72 bp do not undergo modernization. the reserve is also not considered. At least 1200 have already been upgraded.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 6 September 2020 09: 11
                +3
                ... Russia is modernizing its equipment based on the results of army competitions

                I am concerned about the question. Why are only old equipment, out of production, exhibited at the competition? After all, it would be logical to test exactly the technique that is being produced at the moment, and perhaps correct something there based on the results. Why isn't the T-90AM on display? And ideally would be Armatu !!
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 6 September 2020 09: 18
                  0
                  72 b 3 and 80 bvm are not old equipment at all. but I would also like to see SM, but she would hardly be kicked out now. they have just begun to rearm it and they are simply not ready for such shows. IMHO of course.
                2. Stalllker
                  Stalllker 6 September 2020 09: 50
                  +3
                  The T-90 comes from the T-72, but about the Armata. Why should anyone give such a technique into their hands, while our rivals have nothing close to oppose
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 6 September 2020 10: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: Stalllker
                    T-90 comes from T-72,

                    Absolutely.
                    The T-90 is based on the T-72 in many respects. The prototype of the most modern version of 1989 was designated T-72BU. For marketing reasons and due to the lack of success of the T-72 in the second Gulf War, the car was renamed the T-90.

                    https://invoen.ru/analitika/modernizazija-boevich-tankov-rossii-zapadnaja-ozenka/
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 6 September 2020 12: 28
                      -3
                      Yes, it seems that there is no dispute with this. but this is too averaged, since 72 and, for example, 90 cm are not just different machines, but radically different.
                      1. Stalllker
                        Stalllker 7 September 2020 02: 10
                        +3
                        Yeah, like a penny and a seven
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 7 September 2020 02: 35
                        -4
                        rather like a penny and the latest model of the VAZ if such an analogy is convenient for you.
                  2. Cottodraton
                    Cottodraton 7 September 2020 06: 46
                    0
                    T72A (m) and T72B are different machines. The first had a forehead not 250mm of armor, but the last up to 400-500 ... the first were sold on BV and others. The B-version was not supplied abroad, it seems. Hardly renamed for this ...
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 7 September 2020 21: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: Cottodraton
                      The B-version was not supplied abroad, it seems.

              2. ul_vitalii
                ul_vitalii 6 September 2020 18: 14
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                After all, it would be logical to test exactly the technique that is being produced at the moment, and perhaps correct something there based on the results.

                This is a competition, not a test, and the result, you can see where you are driving, is a populist. yes
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 7 September 2020 06: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: ul_vitalii
                  This is a competition, not a test, and the result, you can see where you are driving, is a populist.

                  And the competition (like the war) isn't it a test for any technique?)) Shoigu's words do not tell you anything:
                  ... games gave impetus for their serious modernization

                  Quote: ul_vitalii
                  populist

                  Have a nice day.))) Do not be discouraged over trifles, even if someone thinks differently.
              3. pereselenec
                pereselenec 6 September 2020 21: 14
                -3
                Quote: Stas157
                Why isn't the T-90AM on display? And ideally would be Armatu !!


                Armata long steam locomotive - will merge slalom with all other tanks.
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 6 September 2020 12: 21
              +1
              1200 at least have already been upgraded

              More. If we talk only about those in the units, having discarded the reserves (which will really vryatli modernize), then they should, in theory, finish with this modernization program. Pedivikia reports that in 2016 there were already 1350 of them. This despite the fact that all the needs are either 2000 or 2400 tanks.
        2. Volder
          Volder 6 September 2020 08: 38
          +8
          Quote: carstorm 11
          yes there are left in my 300 pieces in total.
          Where is there? In warehouses or in the troops? Russia has more tanks than European countries combined.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 39
            +5
            upgrading to 72 b 3 is not possible on versions up to t 72 b. count them and not all in a heap.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 6 September 2020 12: 35
            -2
            Quote: Volder
            Russia has more tanks than European countries combined.

            Well, Russia is of itself, there are no options here.
            It turned out to be an interesting moment when there were more tanks in the LPNR corps than in many European countries individually or jointly. yes fellow
            1. Volder
              Volder 11 September 2020 23: 23
              0
              Quote: Paranoid50
              there are more tanks in the LPNR corps than in many European countries, individually or jointly.
              So this is good! Russia always tries to help those who ask for help in order to protect ...
        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 6 September 2020 13: 23
          +1
          7000 T-72, T-72A and T-72B in storage, as of 2020

          Still it would be worth finishing 3000 old tons 80 to the BVM.
        4. Alber alber
          Alber alber 7 September 2020 23: 03
          -1
          Only in v. Pyshma there are several hundred t72 reserves, and in total there are a couple of three thousand tanks of various models and modifications, and also Tagil and beyond everywhere
      2. Stalllker
        Stalllker 6 September 2020 09: 52
        +2
        A good tank, now the tuning will be done and will continue to roll. And then it will be possible to sell to some of the African countries
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 6 September 2020 10: 44
          0
          Think stately. drinks good
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 6 September 2020 11: 33
          +3
          Quote: Stalllker
          A good tank, now the tuning will be done and will continue to roll. And then it will be possible to sell to some of the African countries

          Or go straight to Africa?
          T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense

          Read more: https://42.tut.by/415704
          1. ole1
            ole1 6 September 2020 12: 20
            +2
            As I understand it, now we are talking about upgrading to the level of T-72B3M. In the above article (2014), it was the T-72B3. They seem to differ from each other, with the T-72B3M in a positive direction.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 6 September 2020 12: 31
              0
              Quote: ole1
              with the T-72B3M in the positive direction

              In terms of body armor, is it better?
              1. ole1
                ole1 6 September 2020 13: 03
                +1
                write about Relic on T-72B3M

                https://ria.ru/20181123/1533252591.html
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 6 September 2020 13: 53
                  0
                  Quote: ole1
                  write about Relic on T-72B3M

                  https://ria.ru/20181123/1533252591.html

                  They do not write about additional protection of the inter-turret space and the roof of the tank?
                  1. ole1
                    ole1 6 September 2020 14: 26
                    +1
                    unknown. Here is a verbatim quote

                    "The main difference between the T-72B3M and the" classic "T-72B3 is a new diesel engine and reinforced protection elements, - says Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, to RIA Novosti. horsepower, on B3M - B-84S1F for 840 horsepower. Externally, the new modification differs thanks to additional modules of modern dynamic protection "Relic" on the sides, hull and turret "
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 6 September 2020 12: 49
            +7
            T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense

            First, it's still better than nothing.
            Secondly, there is a modification of the 16th year, it is slightly more advanced.
            But yes, the statement that it is not inferior to modern foreign counterparts in any case is far-fetched.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 6 September 2020 13: 52
              +2
              Quote: alexmach
              T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense

              First, it's still better than nothing.

              That's right, the APU is an example of this ...
              Secondly, there is a modification of the 16th year, it is slightly more advanced.

              Isn't it cheaper to start production of the T-90 MS than to modernize the old T-72 ... leaving only the T-90 and the modernized T-80 in the army?
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 6 September 2020 14: 33
                +2
                Isn't it cheaper to start production of the T-90 MS than to modernize the old T-72 ... leaving only the T-90 and the modernized T-80 in the army?

                Good question. With the T-90, as far as I remember, there were questions with the price. As far as I remember, upgrading 72 of the availability was several times cheaper. It is also bought and modernized, but the pace of purchases there is not at all the same. And it was necessary to replace about 2,5 thousand tanks. On the other hand, the T-90 also has its limits. And we need to invest in the future. Which seems to be still quite raw and very expensive.

                PS: and most importantly, this program, whatever it is, is almost over ...
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 6 September 2020 15: 50
                  +4
                  Quote: alexmach
                  With the T-90, as far as I remember, there were questions with the price.

                  At least for a welded T-90 turret, they could have forked out, replacing the cast ones from the T-72, the protection would not have been so chipped.
                  And the commander needs a panorama like air, because the sooner he sees the danger, the sooner he will begin to oppose it and, at least, avoid destruction.
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 6 September 2020 14: 39
        +2
        Quote: parusnik
        It is also one of the problems, it’s not on metal to hand over ..

        A lot of tanks, is this a problem? Moreover, tanks, of which, during modernization, you can make a completely successful car for yourself. So to speak "with little blood". And this is your problem?
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot 6 September 2020 11: 04
      +3
      Yes, there are many of them.
      It was a mobilization tank, cheaper than both the T-64 and T-80 (talking about the model, not modifications).
      And that is exactly what it remains - a tank without "glamor" to defend the Motherland at a dangerous moment.

      The only question is about a set of equipment for modernization. T-72B3 is from different years (2014, 2016, now 2019).
      Will there be a remotely controlled machine gun mount and a panoramic commander's sight? At least in the next version?

      In 2019, the French thermal imagers were replaced with ours. It means that we have finished our own. Import substituted.
  2. Volder
    Volder 6 September 2020 08: 35
    +5
    Quote: parusnik
    It is far from the rearmament of the army with Armata ... There are many problems ...
    If the modernized Soviet tanks are not inferior in performance to foreign counterparts, then there is no point in rushing with the Armata. It's not about problems, but about expediency. Other countries do not have Armata at all.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 September 2020 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Volder
      Other countries do not have Armata at all.

      Other countries do not have tanks of the XB period .... the tanks of the advanced empirical NATO countries are better than the T-72B3 mod. Feb 2016
      1. Volder
        Volder 6 September 2020 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Other countries do not have tanks of the XB period ...
        Is it? The American Abrams tank is 40 years old.
        the tanks of the advanced empirical NATO countries are better than the T-72B3 mod. Feb 2016
        Our tanks will have better guns. The T-72B3 is not a luxury, but a means of transportation (I was too lazy to rephrase, but the meaning, I think, is clear).
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 6 September 2020 12: 29
          +3
          Quote: Volder
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Other countries do not have tanks of the XB period ...
          Is it? The American Abrams tank is 40 years old.

          Which one is the M1 "Abrams"? .... so they are all in warehouses or disposed of ... I mean M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams, during the XB and "Leopards" were, this does not mean that after that the FRG did not the tank fleet was replaced with other "Leopards" ...
          M1A2 SEP V3 (English System Enhancement Package version 3 - lit. The third package of improved systems) (2015 year):
          unification of the tank's ammunition on the basis of two rounds - the new multipurpose XM1147 AMP with a programmable fuse and the new armor-piercing sub-caliber M829E4 AKE;
          modernization of the tank's fire control system with the installation of ADL (Ammunition Data Lin) equipment, which allows firing AMP shots with a programmable fuse;
          installation of new IFLIR thermal imaging devices in the gunner's sight and an independent panoramic commander's sight, with the image being displayed on high-definition displays

          Our tanks will have better guns. T-72B3

          Better than German? Better than the German ones so far are only on the T-14 ...
          1. Volder
            Volder 11 September 2020 22: 43
            -1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            I mean M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams, during the XB and Leopards there were, this does not mean that after that the FRG did not replace the tank park with other Leopards ...
            Well, right - the modernized Abrams and Leopard. We also have a modernized T-72. And besides the T-72, there are also the modernized T-80, T-90, and even completely new T-90M "Breakthrough" and T-14 "Armata" (100 units of which have already been ordered).
            Quote: Volder
            Our tanks will have better guns. T-72B3

            Quote: Lara Croft
            Better than German? Better than the German so far are only on the T-14
            On German tanks the caliber is 120 mm, while our tanks have a caliber of 125 mm. In addition, when modernizing Soviet tanks, the cannon is replaced with a new modern one.
        2. Revival
          Revival 6 September 2020 13: 40
          +5
          Why are we better guns?
          Compare at least bops in efficiency
          1. Volder
            Volder 11 September 2020 22: 55
            -1
            Quote: Revival
            Why are we better guns?
            Compare at least bops in efficiency
            It's about cannons, not shells. Our 125 mm cannons, in contrast to Western 120 mm, provide the best firing range.
            1. Revival
              Revival 13 September 2020 01: 32
              +1
              The advantage is of course, but if at the same time the projectile does not penetrate, then, as it were, there is little use
      2. Alber alber
        Alber alber 7 September 2020 23: 14
        -1
        Well, somehow in Syria, the tanks of these partners did not really show themselves, but the T72BM is quite for itself, not to mention the T90 of various modifications, so you need to hurry up in matters of aviation (attack UAVs) and the fleet, as well as land, you need to finally dress in a warrior and change the respected AK74, for at least the hundredth series
        1. Revival
          Revival 12 September 2020 00: 49
          0
          "change the respected AK74, for at least one hundredth series."

          With this the rush is doubtful
          1. Alber alber
            Alber alber 13 September 2020 00: 03
            0
            What is the doubt, I ran through the mountains from 74, even then in the 90s they only made adjustments to it, if only to meet the enemy at as far distance as possible, not to hang anything else, then they did not even dream of picatinny, and this is the life of soldiers ... And the butt for almost a kg, only for hand-to-hand combat, so here is a sapper station wagon, it's better not to come up with it. So a fighter's individual weapon must be ideal, universal in all characteristics, and simple and reliable enough so that, like the Yankees, it does not suffer from dust in the barrel, box and other places. Sotochka is the most, and 203 or even dreaming, then 12, even better.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 6 September 2020 12: 47
      +3
      If modernized Soviet tanks are not inferior in characteristics to foreign

      If a...
  3. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 6 September 2020 08: 37
    +1
    You can stamp 3000 "Armata" and another ten Thousand machines on this platform, install a 152 mm gun to the heap, so that you are completely satisfied and no longer indignant.
    The only question is, who has a similar armored fist? Who are you specifically going to fight with?
    Or purely so that it was
    But this can provoke a Technology Race, or not provoke - and then you will remain sitting on the beans, with your Thousands of "Armata" - which, one way or another, will eventually lose their relevance.
    As the English uchonye say - The spoon is good for dinner.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 6 September 2020 09: 37
      +5
      One fist is needed for one thing: to get to the English Channel. But why we need such an opportunity is a philosophical question. As for me, in our time it is something like an atomic bomb. It is clear that it is not applicable, but we all piss what we can.
      1. mark021105
        mark021105 6 September 2020 15: 16
        +1
        And I think we can even now!)
    2. Stalllker
      Stalllker 6 September 2020 09: 53
      -3
      Done right, much isn't always good
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 6 September 2020 10: 12
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      you will remain sitting on the beans, with your Thousands of "Armata" - which, one way or another, will eventually lose their relevance.

      The T-14 is a more protected tank, and it has much more chances to emerge from the battle as a winner than the same 72. And how can this become irrelevant?
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      As the English uchonye say - The spoon is good for dinner.

      That is: as soon as "lunch" - 1000 Armat is already in the army?
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 6 September 2020 10: 24
        0
        That is, as they begin to lay the table, prepare the Spoon. Until then, why would she wave?
        1. Alf
          Alf 6 September 2020 21: 07
          +3
          Quote: Dmitry Makarov
          That is, as they begin to lay the table, prepare the Spoon. Until then, why would she wave?

          In your opinion, to stamp a couple of thousand tanks, and even more so, Armat-not figs to do? Can you dazzle in a year? The future war will not be similar to WW2, there will be no time to launch factories for military service, you will only have to manage to open the gates of the hangars-arsenals and carry out, roll out, take out. There will be no time to do it.
          1. Dmitry Makarov
            Dmitry Makarov 7 September 2020 10: 42
            0
            In your opinion, to stamp a couple of thousand tanks, and, moreover, analogs "Armat, you can't do it for the West? Can you blind in a year? These are not the times, all of Europe is being shot through by Russian missiles, the time required for complete destruction is no more than half an hour."
            1. Alf
              Alf 7 September 2020 21: 35
              +1
              Quote: Dmitry Makarov
              all of Europe is being shot through by Russian missiles, the time required for complete Destruction is no more than half an hour.

              Aren't you counting on the return? Yes, and both sides will be afraid to press the Red button at once, they will pull to the last, after all, in the general staffs on both sides they are not idiots. We'll have to fight with what is, and not what is planned to be put into production. Therefore, a spoon is good for dinner, and we will not have time to make it later.
      2. Volder
        Volder 6 September 2020 11: 32
        -4
        Quote: Bad_gr
        And how can this become irrelevant?
        When Western countries have a next generation tank like the Armata.
        That is: as soon as "lunch" - 1000 Armat is already in the army?
        Not. As soon as the next generation tank is created in the West, we will immediately begin to produce hundreds of Armata a year. They cannot keep up with us, especially since the concept of a missile tank with an Armata-2 trailer is already being worked out.
  4. Ryusey
    Ryusey 6 September 2020 09: 03
    0
    Are they needed in large quantities? Why is the question, for a local conflict with third countries, Armata is necessary, but in a big war with the widespread use of electronic warfare and nuclear weapons, isn't the mass of the T72 B3 and T80 better?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 6 September 2020 13: 53
      +2
      Hm ... And what model T-72, recently, at international games fired past?
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 6 September 2020 21: 03
        +1
        As far as I understand, the non-modernized T 90a, but the 72b 3 shot without a miss. hi
  5. EnGenius
    EnGenius 6 September 2020 13: 58
    0
    Armats cannot cover all the borders. So it is much cheaper to build the T-72B3 based on the modernization of the T-72.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 6 September 2020 08: 02
    16
    Well done Shoigu! Lucky guy. Drafted into the Army immediately to the post of Defense Minister
    1. Wwk7260
      Wwk7260 6 September 2020 08: 15
      -18 qualifying.
      as the proverb says, "with a cloth snout in a Kalashny row," hmm, and it seemed that there was another "figure" Rogozin and the Kalashnikov concern
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 September 2020 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Wwk7260
        as the proverb says, "with a cloth snout in a Kalashny row," hmm, and it seemed that there was another "figure" Rogozin and the Kalashnikov concern

        Tell me, is there, or was, in the Russian government at least one official whom you do not despise?
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 6 September 2020 09: 38
          +1
          Stalin, probably)
        2. Stalllker
          Stalllker 6 September 2020 09: 54
          0
          Maybe Yeltsin laughing
          1. Wwk7260
            Wwk7260 6 September 2020 10: 11
            -7
            You probably don’t know that the minister was his creature, in addition to being related to his widow, and today, along with the LADIES, remains in the “family” deck a pretender to the “throne” in case of displacement of the GDP.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 September 2020 10: 21
              0
              in addition

              on a row

              challenger

              Such are the Ones, fighters against a poisonous regime, anti-national and oligarchic.
              And the current generation is called the victims of the exam.
              1. Wwk7260
                Wwk7260 6 September 2020 10: 45
                -10 qualifying.
                I don’t pull five in Russian, but comments on grammatical errors, on the Internet, are somehow purple, read all the posts on VO today and you will have a reason to be smart dozens of times.
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 7 September 2020 09: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Wwk7260
                  I can't wait for five in Russian, but comments about grammatical errors on the Internet, somehow violet, read all the posts on VO today and you will have a reason to be smart dozens of times.

                  ===
                  demand from others, and are not at all demanding of their knowledge of Russian. especially since the Russian language definitely deserves respect
    2. Ryusey
      Ryusey 6 September 2020 09: 04
      +1
      Isn't it envy?)
    3. yuliatreb
      yuliatreb 6 September 2020 11: 18
      -3
      So if you had such a Kent as his, you would be in Mishustin's place now.
  • Graz
    Graz 6 September 2020 08: 07
    +3
    in between
    The Ministry of Defense plans to modernize all T-72 tanks in service to this modification.

    and this
    Shoigu announced the modernization of all T-72 tanks to the T-72B3 level

    TWO GREAT DIFFERENCES
    although it would seem a couple of three extra words what
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 6 September 2020 08: 30
      +3
      "Two big differences, although it seemed ..."
      That's for sure...
      It is impossible to draw far-reaching conclusions from oral statements, even of high-ranking officials.
      It's like raising salaries for certain categories. In practice, it turned out that not everyone who the journalists rushed to crow about in the media would be promoted.
      So it is here: it is not known what Shoigu meant. Or all T-72 tanks in the Russian Federation, including the BHVT? Or only in constant readiness units? Or did he mean to say that we should strive for this?
      The true information on the number and brands of MBTs to be delivered to the troops is closed and neither Shoigu nor any other chief will give detailed explanations and clarifications.
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 6 September 2020 09: 34
        0
        Whether T-72B3 to T-72B3M?
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 6 September 2020 10: 46
          +2
          ".. The T-72B3M received a new engine with a capacity of 1130 horsepower, which is almost 300" horses "more than the T-72B3. However, the weaker engine did not prevent the Russians from setting a speed record at the Tank Biathlon-2018 - they accelerated their car to 78 kilometers per hour.
          The tank was equipped with a new 125-mm gun with improved ballistics and resource, a Sosna-U sight, a digital ballistic computer and a panoramic sight installed at the vehicle commander's workplace. All this will allow tankers to quickly detect targets and destroy them.
          The work of the driver will be facilitated by displays, with the help of which he can control the operation of the tank mechanisms. They also display the image from the rear view camera.
          The tank's protection was also increased. It was equipped with lattice screens that protect against cumulative ammunition, and reactive armor "Relikt" .... " https://rg.ru/2018/08/17/obnovlennyj-t-72b3m-poluchil-moshchnyj-dvigatel-i-novoe-orudie.html
          To tell the truth, I did not understand whether the commander would have a panorama or not. In the photo, on some it stands, on others not, although in the description both the one and the other T-72B3M
  • Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 6 September 2020 08: 11
    -8
    Deshman modernization, at least the level of T90m is needed, and that is certainly not sugar, well, at least so.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 29
      -1
      what are you saying? but nothing that more than 72 thousand have already been upgraded? deshman pancake. zadolbali geniuses to her God.
      1. Wwk7260
        Wwk7260 6 September 2020 08: 36
        -11 qualifying.
        do not read the comments of those annoying you, all the best to you!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 40
          -2
          I myself will decide to react to my delusions or keep silent.
        2. Ryusey
          Ryusey 6 September 2020 09: 06
          +2
          So you ("geniuses") zealously thrust your opinion wherever it is necessary and not necessary.
    2. Volder
      Volder 6 September 2020 08: 42
      0
      Quote: Wwk7260
      Deshman modernization
      Shoigu told you directly and openly: the modernized tanks are not inferior in performance to foreign counterparts. Which of the words of Shoigu do not you understand?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 September 2020 09: 20
        0
        when there are thousands of them it is necessary to make a choice-a lot and quickly or a little and long. only the combat readiness of units is expensive for a long time and you will slowly bury it. so for the mass scale t 72 b3 is a good car.
        1. Revival
          Revival 6 September 2020 13: 46
          +1
          Why don't they pull it for a long time?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 6 September 2020 14: 04
            -3
            well simple math. the troops have more than 3000 tanks. when replacing 100 per year, how many years will it take?
            1. Revival
              Revival 6 September 2020 21: 14
              0
              Well simple math.
              I say, it means they can't do it properly, but they can do it anyway, it's clear to me.
              Yes, no one says that it is necessary to immediately replace everything at once, the rest that the ruins are already
  • Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 6 September 2020 08: 26
    +1
    Guys, please explain how the T-72B3 differs from the T-72B3M?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 40
      0
      protection engine.
  • Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 6 September 2020 08: 29
    -5
    I read it a second time, and did not understand (all that is available, how many, and which ones?) of those T72 that are in parts, or all including in storage, if those are in parts, then this was already planned, and this statement is an empty shake air.
    1. Volder
      Volder 6 September 2020 08: 47
      0
      Quote: Wwk7260
      I still did not understand (all there are, how many, and which ones?) of those t72 that are in parts, or all including in storage, if those are in parts, then this was already planned, and this statement is an empty shaking of air.
      Of course this is an empty concussion! Representatives of the Ministry of Defense always do not say something, so as not to lay out all the cards for the foe on the table. How old are you? Isn't it time to get used to the peculiarities of news from MO?
      1. Wwk7260
        Wwk7260 6 September 2020 08: 55
        -7
        the adversary knows about the plans of the Ministry of Defense, before the statements of its representatives, in the last post, you seem to have determined that I am fifteen years old, why do you ask again? breathe evenly, God save you, long-liver from dementia. end the hunt for my comments, the pressure may jump.
    2. Stalllker
      Stalllker 6 September 2020 09: 58
      0
      Well, of course in parts, why spend money on equipment that will stand
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 6 September 2020 14: 10
        +5
        Evil tongues argue that the Russian military-industrial complex, due to the complete collapse of production ties and the destruction of enterprises with key technologies, as well as due to the lack of the necessary engineering, technical and production human potential in the required volume, is no longer capable of mass production of most weapons. Separate new samples are "cut out with a file" or in a single copy for all kinds of exhibitions and presentations, or made by hand in small batches, so small that in Soviet times it was called "experimental production". Hence the endless modernization of the old Soviet technology - for this you can still scrape together personnel and production and technical resources, but soon this will not be left either, you will have to be content with "cartoons", "mass and size models" and jingoistic articles about how we are "to all pile on "and" the whole world in dust ", if that ....
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 6 September 2020 08: 33
    +3
    After that, will they hit the target? Have you tried to modernize the management?
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 6 September 2020 08: 35
    +2
    Quote: Wwk7260
    I read it a second time, and did not understand (all that is available, how many, and which ones?) of those T72 that are in parts, or all including in storage, if those are in parts, then this was already planned, and this statement is an empty shake air.

    You need to tell the people something in order to hush up the shame with tanks at the games.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 September 2020 08: 55
      -4
      which only does not happen on the demonstration. Back in the Soviet Union, when the officers were shamelessly smearing the targets, they inserted plates into the heels of their boots while inspecting the targets, and they left traces like they hit), many factors have an impact on poor shooting, and in the event that nothing terrible happened. there are standards for UUS and UKS shot on UD. which in my opinion of course sucks but believe me it happens and much worse.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 6 September 2020 08: 57
        +3
        shot at UD. which in my opinion of course sucks but believe me it happens and much worse.
        here you need to make an allowance for the fact that these are the best of the best crews in the country
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 September 2020 09: 04
          0
          I can voice my own experience. we had a gorgeous crew. soldered. working a lot together. God knows how many times they fired from all positions. The company commander was just a handsome man - for him even the score was good as bad. and at the most critical moment, they had a streak of 6 misses in normal situations. checked everything. even them for alcohol. machine, ideally. the crew is fine. still remains a mystery what happened. it happens. remember last year and dynamic shooting. everything was fine. and then apparently everything piled up at once. it is necessary to evaluate and condemn this, there is no doubt as to punish all those involved. but it just happens sometimes)
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 6 September 2020 09: 06
            -5
            possibly unstable quality of shells
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 6 September 2020 09: 11
              0
              yes there apparently all mixed up in a heap. not bringing the controlled one to the target at such a distance is more difficult than hitting. maybe they were stupidly nervous, plus control after the first miss began to cover the air with obscenities and just finished it off. maybe before going out they were so brought in that they overdid it and they burned out. Who knows...
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 6 September 2020 08: 39
    0
    a modification of the T-72B3M appeared, which is not inferior in its characteristics, and in some ways even superior to modern foreign tanks
    yeah, especially the security, and the BOPS of this gun has long been outdated, you don't even have to try to shoot at the Abrams in the forehead
  • mag nit
    mag nit 6 September 2020 08: 46
    0
    T-72BZMMM ...
  • georggy
    georggy 6 September 2020 09: 22
    -2
    All. The end.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 6 September 2020 09: 41
    +2
    Upgrading to the level of T-72B3 is certainly very good news, but it would be better if Shoigu announced plans to upgrade all T-72 tanks to the level of unmanned systems
  • Klingon
    Klingon 6 September 2020 10: 02
    -2
    Quote: Stas157
    ... Russia is modernizing its equipment based on the results of army competitions

    I am concerned about the question. Why are only old equipment, out of production, exhibited at the competition? After all, it would be logical to test exactly the technique that is being produced at the moment, and perhaps correct something there based on the results. Why isn't the T-90AM on display? And ideally would be Armatu !!

    you can't fire with Armata, as it happened at a closed screening of the T-80/90 firing, where the rockets flew into the ground and into space. If these were inept actions of the crew, the risk of loss of image. with the T-90AM the same
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 6 September 2020 10: 15
    0
    The entire existing fleet of T-72 tanks of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of T-72B3. This was stated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu

    And I read that T-72 B, BA tanks (650 in linear units) cannot be upgraded to the T-72B3 level, they probably lie ...
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 6 September 2020 11: 16
      +1
      And why not?
      Is there a difference in welded / cast turret? (Offhand, from what I remember. Maybe wrong.)

      Replacing the turret, for example, can change a lot, replacing the automatic loader ...
      In general, it may not be possible to simply hang the equipment, you will have to change part of what you “hang” on ...
      But modernization as a whole, in my opinion, is quite possible. It's just more complicated and more expensive.
  • 113262a
    113262a 6 September 2020 11: 04
    +7
    This is sad. As it was 72 tanks for the poor, it remained! A frail engine with an obscene maslohor and a disgusting injection pump, nifiga inflexible transmission, indistinct ATGMs, and the worst problem is the fire control system. Well, UVZ will not give birth to an intuitive system, of the same type (PDPS) that stood for another 219r. I pointed the central square, measured the range, fired a cannon! That's it, no dancing with tambourines with aiming the range mark on the target! And that's all I WILL GO! Couldn't you put the crosswind sensors on the 80 and 64? Instead, a wretched dildo with bars. Because of this - because of the bullfighting in the tower - and most of the misses. Is it a joke-NAPPATS from a place on 12 targets from children 1700 m? And mind you, most of the shells went into the embankment! ... It's not even in the lift, but much lower!
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 6 September 2020 11: 30
    +4
    The entire existing fleet of T-72 tanks of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of T-72B3. This was stated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu

    We step on the old rake and take it massively ...
    We tried to convince the military two years ago that if they want a qualitatively new tank, they need to buy the T-90, and not modernize the 20-30-year-old T-72. But no one listened to us, they believed that we were trying to sell an old tank for new money, although, I emphasize, the T-90 is a different tank, it costs a little cheaper to bring the T-72 to its level for objective reasons., - explained the representative of UVZ.
    He added that in addition to the T-90, UVZ is also producing a modernized version of this tank - T-90S. This tank, according to the manufacturer, is "a cut above both the T-90 and the modernized T-72".
    - In 2014, we will be able to start its serial production. Let's hope that the new leadership of the Ministry of Defense will reconsider the decision of their predecessors... We are ready to fulfill the order of the military for both production and their modernization, - said the representative of UVZ.

    https://iz.ru/news/545300
    article - winter 2013
  • petr.tchetyrkin
    petr.tchetyrkin 6 September 2020 11: 53
    +1
    In our country, the leadership of the army and the country does not learn from the mistakes of their own and others, even the Second World War, when only in 1944. on the T-34/85, the commander was freed from the gunner's function and made a separate commander's cupola for better control of the battle and did not add extra additional armor, but improved battle tactics. And now they hung a bunch of scrap and IR searchlights on the T-72B3, and where is the famous and effective ARENA reactive armor and the necessary panoramic thermal imaging sight for the commander, which we even put on the T-72 "white eagle" for Laos and Nicaragua, not DU machine gun 12.7 mm or their bosses are more perspicacious. And I don't want to talk about the complete "LAZH" with its own production of matrices for thermal imagers, which the West mastered in the 80s of the last century. And in my opinion, before the modernization of all T-72s, the head of the military department should think carefully about its technical priorities - network-centric combat control, new UO systems, communications, habitability, active protection or hanging "metal" and horsepower, like an armored train I can shoot, but not what I do not see or hear.
    1. Matthias
      Matthias 6 September 2020 13: 14
      +1
      did not add extra additional armor, but improved battle tactics.
      they did not hang it because there was nowhere to hang it, the front rollers 34-85 were already overloaded, and the new medium tank of the USSR simply could not start production. Tactics with a good tank will always be better than just tactics.
      And now they hung a bunch of scrap and infrared searchlights on the T-72B3
      On the contrary, the IR headlight was removed, where did you see a bunch of scrap at 72bz?
      and where is the famous and effective reactive armor "ARENA" and the necessary panoramic thermal imaging sight of the commander
      KAZ together with a normal panoramic sight will cost more than the tank itself, together with three funerals. Money must be saved, but women still give birth to patriots.
      about complete "LAZE" with our own production of matrices for thermal imagers
      Russia has long ago purchased equipment and a license for the production of French thermal imagers. Not the most modern, but effective. As far as I know, they are standing at 72b3m.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 6 September 2020 13: 26
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    I can voice my own experience. we had a gorgeous crew. soldered. working a lot together. God knows how many times they fired from all positions. The company commander was just a handsome man - for him even the score was good as bad. and at the most critical moment, they had a streak of 6 misses in normal situations. checked everything. even them for alcohol. machine, ideally. the crew is fine. still remains a mystery what happened. it happens. remember last year and dynamic shooting. everything was fine. and then apparently everything piled up at once. it is necessary to evaluate and condemn this, there is no doubt as to punish all those involved. but it just happens sometimes)

    I agree, bad things happen. But your story is about one crew, not 3-4. All at once? Someone jinxed, probably.
  • urich
    urich 6 September 2020 13: 42
    +1
    As a result of the tank biathlon I noticed. Shooting from a 12,7 machine gun at targets simulating a helicopter and BZO. On the T72B3 NSVT, on the Chinese QJC-88 as they write in Wikipedia "based on the DShK" NO ...
    in all races, the Chinese crews dealt with this stage of firing faster than all other crews. And this is sad. Have you noticed how the tank commanders carried out the guidance from the Chinese? Lightly tapping on the left and right frame handle. I don't know how the guidance on Chinese tanks is carried out, but I know how our NSVT is guided. It seems that it is not difficult to adjust the collimator sight to the target, but as the tank biathlon showed, this task was solved by the Chinese crews faster. And the accuracy was excellent. Moreover, the transfer from a combat position to a stowed position on Chinese vehicles is also faster. Yes, and the operation itself was carried out by the vehicle commander already being in the fighting compartment, when the mechanic was already driving the car onto the track. All other crews first transferred the machine gun to the stowed position and then only the tank began to move. Let the organizers of the competition think about this, but the industry and officials should think about how to modernize the guidance mechanism, and maybe the sight to get away from that. what was invented when creating the T72. The Chinese did ...
  • Revival
    Revival 6 September 2020 13: 53
    +6
    As I understand it, in order to save money, we are again ready to give the crews tanks worse, but cheaper?
    The classic approach of course
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 6 September 2020 14: 03
    -7
    Everything is correct. With whom and on what should we fight on the Armata? chasing lonely barmaley? Or to sell semi-literate Aryans?
    But they are bigger, more expensive, more voracious. And the French stopped supplying sights to them)

    Better on the legacy of the USSR. Replace electronics, upgrade sights.
    Caliber is still the same, armor too, and most importantly - free sources in storage.
    Cheap, angry, a lot. the very thing to train the tankers.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 6 September 2020 14: 08
    +5
    Quote: parusnik
    It is far from the rearmament of the army with Armata ... There are many problems ...

    All the problems are in one thing - don’t steal budget grandmothers, and equip other people's armies with modern weapons! sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 6 September 2020 14: 10
    +4
    Quote: Alex2000
    Everything is correct. With whom and on what should we fight on the Armata? chasing lonely barmaley? Or to sell semi-literate Aryans?
    But they are bigger, more expensive, more voracious. And the French stopped supplying sights to them)

    Better on the legacy of the USSR. Replace electronics, upgrade sights.
    Caliber is still the same, armor too, and most importantly - free sources in storage.
    Cheap, angry, a lot. the very thing to train the tankers.

    Yeah, to train, not to teach - is that in your opinion? sad In general, the army is not a sports team, although they are trying to turn it into this very concept! bully
  • thinker
    thinker 6 September 2020 14: 49
    -1
    This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at the end of the Army Games 2020.
    We are waiting for the article on the results! The Russian team with a victory! Type 96B lost yes

    http://pro-tank.ru/blog/1697-tankovyj-biatlon-2020-final-v-pervom-divizione
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 6 September 2020 18: 51
    +4
    Shoigu recalled that modifications of the T-72B1 tank took part in the first competitions, and only following the results of the competition were proposals for the modernization of combat vehicles received.
    I wonder how, based on the results of the competition, we can conclude in what places to improve the protection of the tank? They're there for an hour, don't shoot each other? otherwise we may not be shown everything on TV winked
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 6 September 2020 20: 15
    +1
    Eto delaetsa ne ot khoroshey zhizni.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 6 September 2020 21: 21
    +1
    It is reasonable if there is no money for the T-90, let alone the T-14.
  • georggy
    georggy 8 September 2020 10: 30
    0
    I am not a tanker, but I will speak out. Have sunk. The T-72, made in the USSR and put into service in 1973, is now suddenly taken as the basis for the further development of tank weapons. Where are the new tanks created in Russia by effective managers?
    1. Alf
      Alf 8 September 2020 17: 10
      +2
      At exhibitions.