Shoigu announced plans to upgrade all T-72 tanks to the T-72B3 level

All available park tanks T-72 of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of T-72B3. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at the end of the Army Games 2020.

Speaking to reporters, the head of the military department explained that the army games gave impetus to the modernization of military equipment, including tanks. Shoigu recalled that modifications of the T-72B1 tank took part in the first competitions, and only as a result of the competition, proposals were made to modernize combat vehicles. The solutions applied by specialists led to an increase in the combat effectiveness and reliability of the tank and the appearance of the T-72B3.

As for our T-72 tanks, the games gave an impetus for their serious modernization. As a result, a modification of the T-72B3M appeared, which is not inferior in its characteristics, and in some ways even superior to modern foreign tanks. The Ministry of Defense plans to modernize all T-72 tanks in service to this modification.

- the minister said.

The head of the military department noted that not only Russia is modernizing its equipment based on the results of army competitions, the same is being done in China. In particular, the Chinese specialists, following the results of the Tank Biathlon, reduced the weight of their Type 96B tank, installed an anti-slip coating, improved mobility and improved the fire control system.

In general, according to the results of participation in the Games, over the past five years, samples of automotive, armored, engineering and other equipment have been refined and modernized, and even certain elements of military equipment have been improved.

- added Shoigu.

Comments

[parusnik]

It is far from the rearmament of the army with Armata ... There are many problems ...

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Many T-72 tanks

[parusnik]

It is also one of the problems, not to hand over metal ...

[carstorm 11]

yes there are left in my 300 pieces in total.

[Pessimist22]

About 2000 active and 8000 in reserve.

[carstorm 11]

according to the plant, versions up to 72 bp do not undergo modernization. the reserve is also not considered. At least 1200 have already been upgraded.

[Stas157]

... Russia is modernizing its equipment based on the results of army competitions

I am concerned about the question. Why are only old equipment, out of production, exhibited at the competition? After all, it would be logical to test exactly the technique that is being produced at the moment, and perhaps correct something there based on the results. Why isn't the T-90AM on display? And ideally would be Armatu !!

[carstorm 11]

72 b 3 and 80 bvm are not old equipment at all. but I would also like to see SM, but she would hardly be kicked out now. they have just begun to rearm it and they are simply not ready for such shows. IMHO of course.

[Stalllker]

The T-90 comes from the T-72, but about the Armata. Why should anyone give such a technique into their hands, while our rivals have nothing close to oppose

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Stalllker

T-90 comes from T-72,

Absolutely.

The T-90 is based on the T-72 in many respects. The prototype of the most modern version of 1989 was designated T-72BU. For marketing reasons and due to the lack of success of the T-72 in the second Gulf War, the car was renamed the T-90.

https://invoen.ru/analitika/modernizazija-boevich-tankov-rossii-zapadnaja-ozenka/

[carstorm 11]

Yes, it seems that there is no dispute with this. but this is too averaged, since 72 and, for example, 90 cm are not just different machines, but radically different.

[Stalllker]

Yeah, like a penny and a seven

[carstorm 11]

rather like a penny and the latest model of the VAZ if such an analogy is convenient for you.

[Cottodraton]

T72A (m) and T72B are different machines. The first had a forehead not 250mm of armor, but the last up to 400-500 ... the first were sold on BV and others. The B-version was not supplied abroad, it seems. Hardly renamed for this ...

[Alf]

Quote: Cottodraton

The B-version was not supplied abroad, it seems.

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Stas157

After all, it would be logical to test exactly the technique that is being produced at the moment, and perhaps correct something there based on the results.

This is a competition, not a test, and the result, you can see where you are driving, is a populist.

[Stas157]

Quote: ul_vitalii

This is a competition, not a test, and the result, you can see where you are driving, is a populist.

And the competition (like the war) isn't it a test for any technique?)) Shoigu's words do not tell you anything:

... games gave impetus for their serious modernization

Quote: ul_vitalii

populist

Have a nice day.))) Do not be discouraged over trifles, even if someone thinks differently.

[pereselenec]

Quote: Stas157

Why isn't the T-90AM on display? And ideally would be Armatu !!

Armata long steam locomotive - will merge slalom with all other tanks.

[alexmach]

1200 at least have already been upgraded

More. If we talk only about those in the units, having discarded the reserves (which will really vryatli modernize), then they should, in theory, finish with this modernization program. Pedivikia reports that in 2016 there were already 1350 of them. This despite the fact that all the needs are either 2000 or 2400 tanks.

[Volder]

Quote: carstorm 11

yes there are left in my 300 pieces in total.

Where is there? In warehouses or in the troops? Russia has more tanks than European countries combined.

[carstorm 11]

upgrading to 72 b 3 is not possible on versions up to t 72 b. count them and not all in a heap.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Volder

Russia has more tanks than European countries combined.

Well, Russia is of itself, there are no options here.
It turned out to be an interesting moment when there were more tanks in the LPNR corps than in many European countries individually or jointly.

[Volder]

Quote: Paranoid50

there are more tanks in the LPNR corps than in many European countries, individually or jointly.

So this is good! Russia always tries to help those who ask for help in order to protect ...

[Incvizitor]

7000 T-72, T-72A and T-72B in storage, as of 2020

Still it would be worth finishing 3000 old tons 80 to the BVM.

[Alber alber]

Only in v. Pyshma there are several hundred t72 reserves, and in total there are a couple of three thousand tanks of various models and modifications, and also Tagil and beyond everywhere

[Stalllker]

A good tank, now the tuning will be done and will continue to roll. And then it will be possible to sell to some of the African countries

[tralflot1832]

Think stately.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Stalllker

A good tank, now the tuning will be done and will continue to roll. And then it will be possible to sell to some of the African countries

Or go straight to Africa?

T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense

Read more: https://42.tut.by/415704

[not 1]

As I understand it, now we are talking about upgrading to the level of T-72B3M. In the above article (2014), it was the T-72B3. They seem to differ from each other, with the T-72B3M in a positive direction.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: ole1

with the T-72B3M in the positive direction

In terms of body armor, is it better?

[not 1]

write about Relic on T-72B3M

https://ria.ru/20181123/1533252591.html

[Lara Croft]

Quote: ole1

write about Relic on T-72B3M

https://ria.ru/20181123/1533252591.html

They do not write about additional protection of the inter-turret space and the roof of the tank?

[not 1]

unknown. Here is a verbatim quote

"The main difference between the T-72B3M and the" classic "T-72B3 is a new diesel engine and reinforced protection elements, - says Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, to RIA Novosti. horsepower, on B3M - B-84S1F for 840 horsepower. Externally, the new modification differs thanks to additional modules of modern dynamic protection "Relic" on the sides, hull and turret "

[alexmach]

T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense

First, it's still better than nothing.
Secondly, there is a modification of the 16th year, it is slightly more advanced.
But yes, the statement that it is not inferior to modern foreign counterparts in any case is far-fetched.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: alexmach

T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense

First, it's still better than nothing.

That's right, the APU is an example of this ...

Secondly, there is a modification of the 16th year, it is slightly more advanced.

Isn't it cheaper to start production of the T-90 MS than to modernize the old T-72 ... leaving only the T-90 and the modernized T-80 in the army?

[alexmach]

Isn't it cheaper to start production of the T-90 MS than to modernize the old T-72 ... leaving only the T-90 and the modernized T-80 in the army?

Good question. With the T-90, as far as I remember, there were questions with the price. As far as I remember, upgrading 72 of the availability was several times cheaper. It is also bought and modernized, but the pace of purchases there is not at all the same. And it was necessary to replace about 2,5 thousand tanks. On the other hand, the T-90 also has its limits. And we need to invest in the future. Which seems to be still quite raw and very expensive.

PS: and most importantly, this program, whatever it is, is almost over ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: alexmach

With the T-90, as far as I remember, there were questions with the price.

At least for a welded T-90 turret, they could have forked out, replacing the cast ones from the T-72, the protection would not have been so chipped.
And the commander needs a panorama like air, because the sooner he sees the danger, the sooner he will begin to oppose it and, at least, avoid destruction.

[orionvitt]

Quote: parusnik

It is also one of the problems, it’s not on metal to hand over ..

A lot of tanks, is this a problem? Moreover, tanks, of which, during modernization, you can make a completely successful car for yourself. So to speak "with little blood". And this is your problem?

[Real Pilot]

Yes, there are many of them.
It was a mobilization tank, cheaper than both the T-64 and T-80 (talking about the model, not modifications).
And that is exactly what it remains - a tank without "glamor" to defend the Motherland at a dangerous moment.

The only question is about a set of equipment for modernization. T-72B3 is from different years (2014, 2016, now 2019).
Will there be a remotely controlled machine gun mount and a panoramic commander's sight? At least in the next version?

In 2019, the French thermal imagers were replaced with ours. It means that we have finished our own. Import substituted.

[Volder]

Quote: parusnik

It is far from the rearmament of the army with Armata ... There are many problems ...

If the modernized Soviet tanks are not inferior in performance to foreign counterparts, then there is no point in rushing with the Armata. It's not about problems, but about expediency. Other countries do not have Armata at all.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Volder

Other countries do not have Armata at all.

Other countries do not have tanks of the XB period .... the tanks of the advanced empirical NATO countries are better than the T-72B3 mod. Feb 2016

[Volder]

Quote: Lara Croft

Other countries do not have tanks of the XB period ...

Is it? The American Abrams tank is 40 years old.

the tanks of the advanced empirical NATO countries are better than the T-72B3 mod. Feb 2016

Our tanks will have better guns. The T-72B3 is not a luxury, but a means of transportation (I was too lazy to rephrase, but the meaning, I think, is clear).

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Volder

Quote: Lara Croft

Other countries do not have tanks of the XB period ...

Is it? The American Abrams tank is 40 years old.

Which one is the M1 "Abrams"? .... so they are all in warehouses or disposed of ... I mean M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams, during the XB and "Leopards" were, this does not mean that after that the FRG did not the tank fleet was replaced with other "Leopards" ...

M1A2 SEP V3 (English System Enhancement Package version 3 - lit. The third package of improved systems) (2015 year):
unification of the tank's ammunition on the basis of two rounds - the new multipurpose XM1147 AMP with a programmable fuse and the new armor-piercing sub-caliber M829E4 AKE;
modernization of the tank's fire control system with the installation of ADL (Ammunition Data Lin) equipment, which allows firing AMP shots with a programmable fuse;
installation of new IFLIR thermal imaging devices in the gunner's sight and an independent panoramic commander's sight, with the image being displayed on high-definition displays

Our tanks will have better guns. T-72B3

Better than German? Better than the German ones so far are only on the T-14 ...

[Volder]

Quote: Lara Croft

I mean M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams, during the XB and Leopards there were, this does not mean that after that the FRG did not replace the tank park with other Leopards ...

Well, right - the modernized Abrams and Leopard. We also have a modernized T-72. And besides the T-72, there are also the modernized T-80, T-90, and even completely new T-90M "Breakthrough" and T-14 "Armata" (100 units of which have already been ordered).

Quote: Volder

Our tanks will have better guns. T-72B3

Quote: Lara Croft

Better than German? Better than the German so far are only on the T-14

On German tanks the caliber is 120 mm, while our tanks have a caliber of 125 mm. In addition, when modernizing Soviet tanks, the cannon is replaced with a new modern one.

[Revival]

Why are we better guns?
Compare at least bops in efficiency

[Volder]

Quote: Revival

Why are we better guns?
Compare at least bops in efficiency

It's about cannons, not shells. Our 125 mm cannons, in contrast to Western 120 mm, provide the best firing range.

[Revival]

The advantage is of course, but if at the same time the projectile does not penetrate, then, as it were, there is little use

[Alber alber]

Well, somehow in Syria, the tanks of these partners did not really show themselves, but the T72BM is quite for itself, not to mention the T90 of various modifications, so you need to hurry up in matters of aviation (attack UAVs) and the fleet, as well as land, you need to finally dress in a warrior and change the respected AK74, for at least the hundredth series

[Revival]

"change the respected AK74, for at least one hundredth series."

With this the rush is doubtful

[Alber alber]

What is the doubt, I ran through the mountains from 74, even then in the 90s they only made adjustments to it, if only to meet the enemy at as far distance as possible, not to hang anything else, then they did not even dream of picatinny, and this is the life of soldiers ... And the butt for almost a kg, only for hand-to-hand combat, so here is a sapper station wagon, it's better not to come up with it. So a fighter's individual weapon must be ideal, universal in all characteristics, and simple and reliable enough so that, like the Yankees, it does not suffer from dust in the barrel, box and other places. Sotochka is the most, and 203 or even dreaming, then 12, even better.

[alexmach]

If modernized Soviet tanks are not inferior in characteristics to foreign

If a...

[Dmitry Makarov]

You can stamp 3000 "Armata" and another ten Thousand machines on this platform, install a 152 mm gun to the heap, so that you are completely satisfied and no longer indignant.
The only question is, who has a similar armored fist? Who are you specifically going to fight with?
Or purely so that it was
But this can provoke a Technology Race, or not provoke - and then you will remain sitting on the beans, with your Thousands of "Armata" - which, one way or another, will eventually lose their relevance.
As the English uchonye say - The spoon is good for dinner.

[Sancho_SP]

One fist is needed for one thing: to get to the English Channel. But why we need such an opportunity is a philosophical question. As for me, in our time it is something like an atomic bomb. It is clear that it is not applicable, but we all piss what we can.

[mark021105]

And I think we can even now!)

[Stalllker]

Done right, much isn't always good

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

you will remain sitting on the beans, with your Thousands of "Armata" - which, one way or another, will eventually lose their relevance.

The T-14 is a more protected tank, and it has much more chances to emerge from the battle as a winner than the same 72. And how can this become irrelevant?

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

As the English uchonye say - The spoon is good for dinner.

That is: as soon as "lunch" - 1000 Armat is already in the army?

[Dmitry Makarov]

That is, as they begin to lay the table, prepare the Spoon. Until then, why would she wave?

[Alf]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

That is, as they begin to lay the table, prepare the Spoon. Until then, why would she wave?

In your opinion, to stamp a couple of thousand tanks, and even more so, Armat-not figs to do? Can you dazzle in a year? The future war will not be similar to WW2, there will be no time to launch factories for military service, you will only have to manage to open the gates of the hangars-arsenals and carry out, roll out, take out. There will be no time to do it.

[Dmitry Makarov]

In your opinion, to stamp a couple of thousand tanks, and, moreover, analogs "Armat, you can't do it for the West? Can you blind in a year? These are not the times, all of Europe is being shot through by Russian missiles, the time required for complete destruction is no more than half an hour."

[Alf]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

all of Europe is being shot through by Russian missiles, the time required for complete Destruction is no more than half an hour.

Aren't you counting on the return? Yes, and both sides will be afraid to press the Red button at once, they will pull to the last, after all, in the general staffs on both sides they are not idiots. We'll have to fight with what is, and not what is planned to be put into production. Therefore, a spoon is good for dinner, and we will not have time to make it later.

[Volder]

Quote: Bad_gr

And how can this become irrelevant?

When Western countries have a next generation tank like the Armata.

That is: as soon as "lunch" - 1000 Armat is already in the army?

Not. As soon as the next generation tank is created in the West, we will immediately begin to produce hundreds of Armata a year. They cannot keep up with us, especially since the concept of a missile tank with an Armata-2 trailer is already being worked out.

[Ryusei]

Are they needed in large quantities? Why is the question, for a local conflict with third countries, Armata is necessary, but in a big war with the widespread use of electronic warfare and nuclear weapons, isn't the mass of the T72 B3 and T80 better?

[Snail N9]

Hm ... And what model T-72, recently, at international games fired past?

[sharp-lad]

As far as I understand, the non-modernized T 90a, but the 72b 3 shot without a miss.

[EnGenius]

Armats cannot cover all the borders. So it is much cheaper to build the T-72B3 based on the modernization of the T-72.

[siberalt]

Well done Shoigu! Lucky guy. Drafted into the Army immediately to the post of Defense Minister

[Wwk7260]

as the proverb says, "with a cloth snout in a Kalashny row," hmm, and it seemed that there was another "figure" Rogozin and the Kalashnikov concern

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Wwk7260

as the proverb says, "with a cloth snout in a Kalashny row," hmm, and it seemed that there was another "figure" Rogozin and the Kalashnikov concern

Tell me, is there, or was, in the Russian government at least one official whom you do not despise?

[Sancho_SP]

Stalin, probably)

[Stalllker]

Maybe Yeltsin

[Wwk7260]

You probably don’t know that the minister was his creature, in addition to being related to his widow, and today, along with the LADIES, remains in the “family” deck a pretender to the “throne” in case of displacement of the GDP.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

in addition

on a row

challenger

Such are the Ones, fighters against a poisonous regime, anti-national and oligarchic.
And the current generation is called the victims of the exam.

[Wwk7260]

I don’t pull five in Russian, but comments on grammatical errors, on the Internet, are somehow purple, read all the posts on VO today and you will have a reason to be smart dozens of times.

[Victorio]

Quote: Wwk7260

I can't wait for five in Russian, but comments about grammatical errors on the Internet, somehow violet, read all the posts on VO today and you will have a reason to be smart dozens of times.

===
demand from others, and are not at all demanding of their knowledge of Russian. especially since the Russian language definitely deserves respect

[Ryusei]

Isn't it envy?)

[yuliatreb]

So if you had such a Kent as his, you would be in Mishustin's place now.

[Graz]

in between

The Ministry of Defense plans to modernize all T-72 tanks in service to this modification.

and this

Shoigu announced the modernization of all T-72 tanks to the T-72B3 level

TWO GREAT DIFFERENCES
although it would seem a couple of three extra words

[Alekseev]

"Two big differences, although it seemed ..."
That's for sure...
It is impossible to draw far-reaching conclusions from oral statements, even of high-ranking officials.
It's like raising salaries for certain categories. In practice, it turned out that not everyone who the journalists rushed to crow about in the media would be promoted.
So it is here: it is not known what Shoigu meant. Or all T-72 tanks in the Russian Federation, including the BHVT? Or only in constant readiness units? Or did he mean to say that we should strive for this?
The true information on the number and brands of MBTs to be delivered to the troops is closed and neither Shoigu nor any other chief will give detailed explanations and clarifications.

[seregin-s1]

Whether T-72B3 to T-72B3M?

[Bad_gr]

".. The T-72B3M received a new engine with a capacity of 1130 horsepower, which is almost 300" horses "more than the T-72B3. However, the weaker engine did not prevent the Russians from setting a speed record at the Tank Biathlon-2018 - they accelerated their car to 78 kilometers per hour.
The tank was equipped with a new 125-mm gun with improved ballistics and resource, a Sosna-U sight, a digital ballistic computer and a panoramic sight installed at the vehicle commander's workplace. All this will allow tankers to quickly detect targets and destroy them.
The work of the driver will be facilitated by displays, with the help of which he can control the operation of the tank mechanisms. They also display the image from the rear view camera.
The tank's protection was also increased. It was equipped with lattice screens that protect against cumulative ammunition, and reactive armor "Relikt" .... " https://rg.ru/2018/08/17/obnovlennyj-t-72b3m-poluchil-moshchnyj-dvigatel-i-novoe-orudie.html
To tell the truth, I did not understand whether the commander would have a panorama or not. In the photo, on some it stands, on others not, although in the description both the one and the other T-72B3M

[Wwk7260]

Deshman modernization, at least the level of T90m is needed, and that is certainly not sugar, well, at least so.

[carstorm 11]

what are you saying? but nothing that more than 72 thousand have already been upgraded? deshman pancake. zadolbali geniuses to her God.

[Wwk7260]

do not read the comments of those annoying you, all the best to you!

[carstorm 11]

I myself will decide to react to my delusions or keep silent.

[Ryusei]

So you ("geniuses") zealously thrust your opinion wherever it is necessary and not necessary.

[Volder]

Quote: Wwk7260

Deshman modernization

Shoigu told you directly and openly: the modernized tanks are not inferior in performance to foreign counterparts. Which of the words of Shoigu do not you understand?

[carstorm 11]

when there are thousands of them it is necessary to make a choice-a lot and quickly or a little and long. only the combat readiness of units is expensive for a long time and you will slowly bury it. so for the mass scale t 72 b3 is a good car.

[Revival]

Why don't they pull it for a long time?

[carstorm 11]

well simple math. the troops have more than 3000 tanks. when replacing 100 per year, how many years will it take?

[Revival]

Well simple math.
I say, it means they can't do it properly, but they can do it anyway, it's clear to me.
Yes, no one says that it is necessary to immediately replace everything at once, the rest that the ruins are already

[Boris Afinogenov]

Guys, please explain how the T-72B3 differs from the T-72B3M?

[carstorm 11]

protection engine.

[Wwk7260]

I read it a second time, and did not understand (all that is available, how many, and which ones?) of those T72 that are in parts, or all including in storage, if those are in parts, then this was already planned, and this statement is an empty shake air.

[Volder]

Quote: Wwk7260

I still did not understand (all there are, how many, and which ones?) of those t72 that are in parts, or all including in storage, if those are in parts, then this was already planned, and this statement is an empty shaking of air.

Of course this is an empty concussion! Representatives of the Ministry of Defense always do not say something, so as not to lay out all the cards for the foe on the table. How old are you? Isn't it time to get used to the peculiarities of news from MO?

[Wwk7260]

the adversary knows about the plans of the Ministry of Defense, before the statements of its representatives, in the last post, you seem to have determined that I am fifteen years old, why do you ask again? breathe evenly, God save you, long-liver from dementia. end the hunt for my comments, the pressure may jump.

[Stalllker]

Well, of course in parts, why spend money on equipment that will stand

[Snail N9]

Evil tongues argue that the Russian military-industrial complex, due to the complete collapse of production ties and the destruction of enterprises with key technologies, as well as due to the lack of the necessary engineering, technical and production human potential in the required volume, is no longer capable of mass production of most weapons. Separate new samples are "cut out with a file" or in a single copy for all kinds of exhibitions and presentations, or made by hand in small batches, so small that in Soviet times it was called "experimental production". Hence the endless modernization of the old Soviet technology - for this you can still scrape together personnel and production and technical resources, but soon this will not be left either, you will have to be content with "cartoons", "mass and size models" and jingoistic articles about how we are "to all pile on "and" the whole world in dust ", if that ....

[Karaul73]

After that, will they hit the target? Have you tried to modernize the management?

[Karaul73]

Quote: Wwk7260

I read it a second time, and did not understand (all that is available, how many, and which ones?) of those T72 that are in parts, or all including in storage, if those are in parts, then this was already planned, and this statement is an empty shake air.

You need to tell the people something in order to hush up the shame with tanks at the games.

[carstorm 11]

which only does not happen on the demonstration. Back in the Soviet Union, when the officers were shamelessly smearing the targets, they inserted plates into the heels of their boots while inspecting the targets, and they left traces like they hit), many factors have an impact on poor shooting, and in the event that nothing terrible happened. there are standards for UUS and UKS shot on UD. which in my opinion of course sucks but believe me it happens and much worse.

[_Ugene_]

shot at UD. which in my opinion of course sucks but believe me it happens and much worse.

here you need to make an allowance for the fact that these are the best of the best crews in the country

[carstorm 11]

I can voice my own experience. we had a gorgeous crew. soldered. working a lot together. God knows how many times they fired from all positions. The company commander was just a handsome man - for him even the score was good as bad. and at the most critical moment, they had a streak of 6 misses in normal situations. checked everything. even them for alcohol. machine, ideally. the crew is fine. still remains a mystery what happened. it happens. remember last year and dynamic shooting. everything was fine. and then apparently everything piled up at once. it is necessary to evaluate and condemn this, there is no doubt as to punish all those involved. but it just happens sometimes)

[_Ugene_]

possibly unstable quality of shells

[carstorm 11]

yes there apparently all mixed up in a heap. not bringing the controlled one to the target at such a distance is more difficult than hitting. maybe they were stupidly nervous, plus control after the first miss began to cover the air with obscenities and just finished it off. maybe before going out they were so brought in that they overdid it and they burned out. Who knows...

[_Ugene_]

a modification of the T-72B3M appeared, which is not inferior in its characteristics, and in some ways even superior to modern foreign tanks

yeah, especially the security, and the BOPS of this gun has long been outdated, you don't even have to try to shoot at the Abrams in the forehead

[mag nit]

T-72BZMMM ...

[georggy]

All. The end.

[APASUS]

Upgrading to the level of T-72B3 is certainly very good news, but it would be better if Shoigu announced plans to upgrade all T-72 tanks to the level of unmanned systems

[Klingon]

Quote: Stas157

... Russia is modernizing its equipment based on the results of army competitions

I am concerned about the question. Why are only old equipment, out of production, exhibited at the competition? After all, it would be logical to test exactly the technique that is being produced at the moment, and perhaps correct something there based on the results. Why isn't the T-90AM on display? And ideally would be Armatu !!

you can't fire with Armata, as it happened at a closed screening of the T-80/90 firing, where the rockets flew into the ground and into space. If these were inept actions of the crew, the risk of loss of image. with the T-90AM the same

[Lara Croft]

The entire existing fleet of T-72 tanks of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of T-72B3. This was stated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu

And I read that T-72 B, BA tanks (650 in linear units) cannot be upgraded to the T-72B3 level, they probably lie ...

[Real Pilot]

And why not?
Is there a difference in welded / cast turret? (Offhand, from what I remember. Maybe wrong.)

Replacing the turret, for example, can change a lot, replacing the automatic loader ...
In general, it may not be possible to simply hang the equipment, you will have to change part of what you “hang” on ...
But modernization as a whole, in my opinion, is quite possible. It's just more complicated and more expensive.

[113262a]

This is sad. As it was 72 tanks for the poor, it remained! A frail engine with an obscene maslohor and a disgusting injection pump, nifiga inflexible transmission, indistinct ATGMs, and the worst problem is the fire control system. Well, UVZ will not give birth to an intuitive system, of the same type (PDPS) that stood for another 219r. I pointed the central square, measured the range, fired a cannon! That's it, no dancing with tambourines with aiming the range mark on the target! And that's all I WILL GO! Couldn't you put the crosswind sensors on the 80 and 64? Instead, a wretched dildo with bars. Because of this - because of the bullfighting in the tower - and most of the misses. Is it a joke-NAPPATS from a place on 12 targets from children 1700 m? And mind you, most of the shells went into the embankment! ... It's not even in the lift, but much lower!

[Lara Croft]

The entire existing fleet of T-72 tanks of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of T-72B3. This was stated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu

We step on the old rake and take it massively ...

We tried to convince the military two years ago that if they want a qualitatively new tank, they need to buy the T-90, and not modernize the 20-30-year-old T-72. But no one listened to us, they believed that we were trying to sell an old tank for new money, although, I emphasize, the T-90 is a different tank, it costs a little cheaper to bring the T-72 to its level for objective reasons., - explained the representative of UVZ.
He added that in addition to the T-90, UVZ is also producing a modernized version of this tank - T-90S. This tank, according to the manufacturer, is "a cut above both the T-90 and the modernized T-72".
- In 2014, we will be able to start its serial production. Let's hope that the new leadership of the Ministry of Defense will reconsider the decision of their predecessors... We are ready to fulfill the order of the military for both production and their modernization, - said the representative of UVZ.

https://iz.ru/news/545300
article - winter 2013

[petr.tchetyrkin]

In our country, the leadership of the army and the country does not learn from the mistakes of their own and others, even the Second World War, when only in 1944. on the T-34/85, the commander was freed from the gunner's function and made a separate commander's cupola for better control of the battle and did not add extra additional armor, but improved battle tactics. And now they hung a bunch of scrap and IR searchlights on the T-72B3, and where is the famous and effective ARENA reactive armor and the necessary panoramic thermal imaging sight for the commander, which we even put on the T-72 "white eagle" for Laos and Nicaragua, not DU machine gun 12.7 mm or their bosses are more perspicacious. And I don't want to talk about the complete "LAZH" with its own production of matrices for thermal imagers, which the West mastered in the 80s of the last century. And in my opinion, before the modernization of all T-72s, the head of the military department should think carefully about its technical priorities - network-centric combat control, new UO systems, communications, habitability, active protection or hanging "metal" and horsepower, like an armored train I can shoot, but not what I do not see or hear.

[Matthias]

did not add extra additional armor, but improved battle tactics.

they did not hang it because there was nowhere to hang it, the front rollers 34-85 were already overloaded, and the new medium tank of the USSR simply could not start production. Tactics with a good tank will always be better than just tactics.

And now they hung a bunch of scrap and infrared searchlights on the T-72B3

On the contrary, the IR headlight was removed, where did you see a bunch of scrap at 72bz?

and where is the famous and effective reactive armor "ARENA" and the necessary panoramic thermal imaging sight of the commander

KAZ together with a normal panoramic sight will cost more than the tank itself, together with three funerals. Money must be saved, but women still give birth to patriots.

about complete "LAZE" with our own production of matrices for thermal imagers

Russia has long ago purchased equipment and a license for the production of French thermal imagers. Not the most modern, but effective. As far as I know, they are standing at 72b3m.

[Karaul73]

Quote: carstorm 11

I can voice my own experience. we had a gorgeous crew. soldered. working a lot together. God knows how many times they fired from all positions. The company commander was just a handsome man - for him even the score was good as bad. and at the most critical moment, they had a streak of 6 misses in normal situations. checked everything. even them for alcohol. machine, ideally. the crew is fine. still remains a mystery what happened. it happens. remember last year and dynamic shooting. everything was fine. and then apparently everything piled up at once. it is necessary to evaluate and condemn this, there is no doubt as to punish all those involved. but it just happens sometimes)

I agree, bad things happen. But your story is about one crew, not 3-4. All at once? Someone jinxed, probably.

[urich]

As a result of the tank biathlon I noticed. Shooting from a 12,7 machine gun at targets simulating a helicopter and BZO. On the T72B3 NSVT, on the Chinese QJC-88 as they write in Wikipedia "based on the DShK" NO ...
in all races, the Chinese crews dealt with this stage of firing faster than all other crews. And this is sad. Have you noticed how the tank commanders carried out the guidance from the Chinese? Lightly tapping on the left and right frame handle. I don't know how the guidance on Chinese tanks is carried out, but I know how our NSVT is guided. It seems that it is not difficult to adjust the collimator sight to the target, but as the tank biathlon showed, this task was solved by the Chinese crews faster. And the accuracy was excellent. Moreover, the transfer from a combat position to a stowed position on Chinese vehicles is also faster. Yes, and the operation itself was carried out by the vehicle commander already being in the fighting compartment, when the mechanic was already driving the car onto the track. All other crews first transferred the machine gun to the stowed position and then only the tank began to move. Let the organizers of the competition think about this, but the industry and officials should think about how to modernize the guidance mechanism, and maybe the sight to get away from that. what was invented when creating the T72. The Chinese did ...

[Revival]

As I understand it, in order to save money, we are again ready to give the crews tanks worse, but cheaper?
The classic approach of course

[Aleks2000]

Everything is correct. With whom and on what should we fight on the Armata? chasing lonely barmaley? Or to sell semi-literate Aryans?
But they are bigger, more expensive, more voracious. And the French stopped supplying sights to them)

Better on the legacy of the USSR. Replace electronics, upgrade sights.
Caliber is still the same, armor too, and most importantly - free sources in storage.
Cheap, angry, a lot. the very thing to train the tankers.

[Radical]

Quote: parusnik

It is far from the rearmament of the army with Armata ... There are many problems ...

All the problems are in one thing - don’t steal budget grandmothers, and equip other people's armies with modern weapons!

[Radical]

Quote: Alex2000

Everything is correct. With whom and on what should we fight on the Armata? chasing lonely barmaley? Or to sell semi-literate Aryans?
But they are bigger, more expensive, more voracious. And the French stopped supplying sights to them)

Better on the legacy of the USSR. Replace electronics, upgrade sights.
Caliber is still the same, armor too, and most importantly - free sources in storage.
Cheap, angry, a lot. the very thing to train the tankers.

Yeah, to train, not to teach - is that in your opinion? In general, the army is not a sports team, although they are trying to turn it into this very concept!

[thinker]

This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at the end of the Army Games 2020.

We are waiting for the article on the results! The Russian team with a victory! Type 96B lost

http://pro-tank.ru/blog/1697-tankovyj-biatlon-2020-final-v-pervom-divizione

[Bad_gr]

Shoigu recalled that modifications of the T-72B1 tank took part in the first competitions, and only following the results of the competition were proposals for the modernization of combat vehicles received.

I wonder how, based on the results of the competition, we can conclude in what places to improve the protection of the tank? They're there for an hour, don't shoot each other? otherwise we may not be shown everything on TV

[Castro Ruiz]

Eto delaetsa ne ot khoroshey zhizni.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

It is reasonable if there is no money for the T-90, let alone the T-14.

[georggy]

I am not a tanker, but I will speak out. Have sunk. The T-72, made in the USSR and put into service in 1973, is now suddenly taken as the basis for the further development of tank weapons. Where are the new tanks created in Russia by effective managers?

[Alf]

At exhibitions.