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"A difficult path to serial production": German press about the Il-76MD-90A aircraft

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For many years, the Il-76 has been the "workhorse" of the Russian Air Force in the class of transport vehicles. This aircraft will retain this role for a long time, since serial production of a fundamentally new version of the Il-76MD-90A was launched at the facilities of Aviastar-SP in Ulyanovsk.


As noted by the German edition of Flug Revue, the most modern version of the Il-76 can hardly be called a completely new technique. The aircraft began to be created back in 2006 and took off in 2012. At the same time, 39 IL-76MD-90A boards were ordered. However, it was not until April 2019 that the first "real" production aircraft was delivered.

Since then, the serial production, apparently, has been continuously growing.

- writes the German press.

Aviastar-SP plans to start production of 12 aircraft per year, and then reach the level of 18 aircraft.

What's new in the IL-76MD-90A?

- asks Flug Revue.

In his words, the new modification "is fundamentally different from the original version, which first took off in 1971". IL-76MD-90A has completely redesigned wings, which are 2700 kg lighter. Under them are four PS-90A-76 engines, which operate 20% more economically than the previously used D-30KP2, but at the same time provide a third more thrust and increase the flight range by 18%. Carrying capacity increased from 48 to 60 tons. The chassis has been reinforced. The aircraft received new avionics, advanced protection systems, a navigation system, and equipment for accurate cargo release.

As indicated by Flug Revue, the Il-76MD-90A has gone "a difficult path to serial construction." Now, in his person, the Russian Air Force has received a new reliable "workhorse".
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  1. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 4 September 2020 09: 04 New
    +7
    The journey was long and difficult. And something has not been heard about new sides for a long time ...
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 4 September 2020 09: 12 New
      18
      We deployed an automated assembly line and negotiated a change to the contract. The contract was old before the crises. As far as I remember, it was renewed for 33 boards instead of 39. By the way, a contract for il20 was signed for Army 76. They say about another 14 pieces in addition to the renegotiated old contract for 33 pieces.
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 4 September 2020 10: 01 New
        +9
        25.08.2020/76/90 Aviastar-SP has completed the automated docking of the first fuselage of the Il-XNUMXMD-XNUMXA heavy transport aircraft using jig-free technology on a new assembly line.
        On April 15.04.2020, 76, the painting of the next production transport aircraft Il-90MD-XNUMXA, built by Aviastar-SP JSC, was completed.
        Another board under test and not a single one passed this year. (
        1. bayard
          bayard 4 September 2020 10: 29 New
          -2
          Quote: seregin-s1
          On April 15.04.2020, 76, the painting of the next production transport aircraft Il-90MD-XNUMXA, built by Aviastar-SP JSC, was completed.
          Another board under test and not a single one passed this year. (

          But this year they promised to hand over 8 pieces. lol
          In the future - 12 pcs.
          And then 18 pcs. in year . yes
          They swore by my mother.
          But it turns out as always - everything was stolen. Apparently, therefore, the IC is now shaking the entire Ilyushin like a pear, and the person responsible for the Il-76MD-90A with the accountant was dragged to court for embezzlement.
          But, perhaps, he will pay off. request
          And everything will go as before - STABILITY. what bully
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 4 September 2020 10: 55 New
            -4
            I'm wondering, will theft in the country end? or is it already a rhetorical question wassat
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 4 September 2020 11: 32 New
              -10
              Now, in his person, the Russian Air Force has received a new reliable "workhorse".
              VVS, YOU "-Got the horse?" but .. no more .... and and SU 57 in the search ... and tankers with t 14 ... wow! and with pension ... and fuel prices in the project ... yes ... PROMISING !!!
              1. The smallest
                The smallest 5 September 2020 16: 16 New
                +1
                The best was given to pensioners.
            2. Lyudmila Prikhodko
              Lyudmila Prikhodko 7 September 2020 22: 06 New
              0
              It will end either with the fall of the dictatorship of capital, or with the complete collapse of the country.
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 4 September 2020 17: 43 New
            +9
            Damn, children or what? The deployment of any serious technological product is always difficult. Especially for the military with their acceptance. In an ordinary car there are about 30 thousand parts, in an airplane there are no less of them. Plus there are forces such as the 2015 crisis or the coronavirus crisis. The stories about theft are basically an explanation for the layman. He does not want to delve into anything and he needs an extremely simple explanation, such as "everything was stolen." Even if someone has slammed something on the production itself, this has not affected in any way for a long time. When a person explains all problems by theft or corruption, this is a sign that a person is not connected in any way with the government and has no idea about it.
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 4 September 2020 18: 37 New
              -2
              like they never steal right? and you believe in it that everything is garlic? ha ha hah! honestly! but look at Roscosmos wassat
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 4 September 2020 21: 50 New
                +8
                Maybe they steal, but this has nothing to do with the release process. And by the way, with the current scheme of tracking financing flows of processes in the military-industrial complex, it will be difficult to steal. It is clear that there is a return of some contracts to more "correct" companies or an overstatement of estimates. But this is not very noticeable in comparison with the amounts of military contracts. This is a river on the bank of which you stealthily scoop up a mug. Even with a bucket. By doing this, you will definitely not stop and slow down the river. request
                Example. One shot of a tornado with inexpensive ammunition - in the region of 2 million rubles. Package - 12 pieces. That is, a tornado salvo - 24 million rubles. A person can live on this money for 20 years. And then he flies away in minutes. Tch money that is available even to a serious corrupt official and money flowing through government contracts are simply different orders of magnitude. request
            2. bayard
              bayard 5 September 2020 00: 32 New
              +5
              Quote: g1v2
              The stories about theft are basically an explanation for the layman.

              Now, if the enterprise received a defense order, received funding and support for technical re-equipment, but did not fulfill the task, every year it postponed the launch of serial production ... for a year, swore that from next year "for sure, I swear by my mother", at that time it was eating budget, mired in debt and as a result - the Investigative Committee drags the head and his accountant to court for theft of state funds on an especially large scale ... is this theft?
              Or emotions] of the layman [?
              So I trust the Investigative Committee more.
              And your eyes.
              All plans not only for military transport planes have been thwarted! It is much more terrible that plans for the construction of tankers for long-range and fighter aviation on their basis have been thwarted.
              Completely ripped off!
              And the program for launching into production of A-100 AWACS aircraft ... also suffered. There are already enough problems with this program, they cannot even present the head plane, even though they received the glider a long time ago ... But now they have an excuse too - "Ulyanovsk is delaying the release of the Il-76MD-90A ...".
              And what do we have in the military transport aviation?
              In light of all the events of recent years - in Syria, Libya, Venezuela, in the Far East and in the West - with NATO?
              And the same thing - the old boards are used for wear and tear on the An-12, An-22, An-26 - the last boards are on the last drops of the resource. IL-76 ... and how many are there? In 2015 or 2016, they made a decision "due to delays in the serial production of the Il-76ML-90A, remove up to 100 Il-76s from storage bases, carry them through overhaul and modernization and close the gap in the VTA with them ..."
              And ...?
              Shut up?
              Not !
              How much was repaired?
              ... yes one or two ... the program died ... no one answered ...
              AND SO in everything!
              As a result, combat aviation was left without RL and RT aircraft for reconnaissance, target designation and control, long-range and fighter aircraft without tanker aircraft, VTA without new workhorses ... with the old ...
              Maybe the Navy is different?
              Not !
              Maybe in the Ground Forces?
              Better, but also not shiny.
              ... And "Sarmat" will not fly in any way ...
              And those responsible for the failures - NO!

              It's 2020.
              It's almost the end of this year.
              It's time to take stock.
              Intermediate ...
              Here we are.

              Quote: g1v2
              Even if someone slammed something on the production itself, this has not affected in any way for a long time

              This is when they steal from profits.
              Sometimes this is even forgivable - like a "prize" I took for myself, but I completed the task.
              And then theft from LOSSES.
              Task NOT COMPLETED!
              Production has not started.
              Photoreport about "the beginning of the assembly of the first fuselage on the conveyor ... this is a" photoreport "about the BEGINNING of some movements.
              It is very, very early to judge the success and faultlessness of these "experiments".
              But according to the oath promises of last year, this year - by the end of the year, 8 copies must be handed over. And since the construction cycle of one IL-76ML-90A is a little more than a year (from laying to delivery of at least 15 months), then all these boards must either stand on the conveyor / slipway, or undergo the last training and tests ...
              But we see a stub from the bottom of the fuselage ...
              Are the robots on strike?
              It is a crime .
              And not only this .
          3. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 4 September 2020 20: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: seregin-s1
            On April 15.04.2020, 76, the painting of the next production transport aircraft Il-90MD-XNUMXA, built by Aviastar-SP JSC, was completed.
            Another board under test and not a single one passed this year. (

            But this year they promised to hand over 8 pieces. lol
            In the future - 12 pcs.
            And then 18 pcs. in year . yes
            They swore by my mother.
            But it turns out as always - everything was stolen. Apparently, therefore, the IC is now shaking the entire Ilyushin like a pear, and the person responsible for the Il-76MD-90A with the accountant was dragged to court for embezzlement.
            But, perhaps, he will pay off. request
            And everything will go as before - STABILITY. what bully

            Looking at how ordinary equipment is bought in Ulyanovsk under the state order, one is simply amazed at the greed of the tender commission.
            All contracts are only for the maximum price of the same, if the participant is not approved, then with exactly the same technique, but much cheaper, he will be rejected. And maybe even without a reasonable announcement of the reasons ...
            Collided with Aviastar.
            Cloaca.
            Retractable ...
            1. bayard
              bayard 5 September 2020 00: 52 New
              0
              And not on one Aviastar so ...
              If, albeit with cost overruns, they nevertheless carried out the plan, gave out products ... but the funds are simply incinerated and utilized (utilization). Shameless and irresponsible!
              ... Previously, the CPSU Central Committee was responsible for directions in the economy - each member of the Central Committee supervised (and controlled) a certain sector of the economy. CAM was responsible for her to the Politburo. And he asked the industry specialists ... and punished, and helped in solving complex organizational issues, was in fact both a lobbyist and a controller of this industry.
              And the country was developing.
              And a third of the world's aircraft fleet was behind us.

              And the "young patriots" are outraged ... by the minuses ... they encroached on their lofty feelings and fine mental organization ... on their BELIEVE in the "printed word" and the infallibility of the "sun-faced" ...
              ... But the harsh reality will land not so ...
      2. figwam
        figwam 4 September 2020 12: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: g1v2
        Deployed an automated assembly line

        The first fuselage was assembled on the production line, now they have to build an aircraft 40% faster.
        1. bayard
          bayard 5 September 2020 01: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          The first fuselage was assembled on the production line

          Yes, really earned?
          Almost a year there was deathly silence after loud promises about the launch from the beginning of the year. Did they prepare personnel there - for conveyor production? And it will turn out like 8 years ago - it suddenly turned out that there was SOMEONE to build aircraft.
          I hope we did PREPARE.
          1. figwam
            figwam 5 September 2020 08: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: bayard
            Yes, really earned?

            Well it turns out yes
            1. bayard
              bayard 5 September 2020 10: 57 New
              +1
              Well, it means that this year they will test the line, in the future the first trial batch - pieces 4 - 6, in 2022 - 12 pieces, and only in 2023/24, reaching the design capacity - 18 pieces.
              Everything is very painful and the spoon was not ripe for dinner - like new battleships in Port Arthur ...
              Well, even so ...
            2. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 5 September 2020 17: 24 New
              +1
              The video shows the movement of the fuselage from one place to another AFTER docking. Such operations are a routine in the aircraft industry; they were carried out in the same way decades ago, except that there were no laser devices. How the docking was carried out remained behind the scenes, so that one god (and the workers of the plant) knows how the plane is actually assembled. As for the presence of a production line, it must be considered that with such a serial production (say, 18 cars per year), it is more profitable to have a line or a docking berth and then to the side and fill it with systems. The machine is too big for a production line. True, a game of terms is also possible, because the "production line" sounds beautiful.
              1. asher
                asher 12 September 2020 10: 06 New
                0
                In the 80s he worked as a foreman of the 35th workshop of TAPOiCH, where the fuselage was just docked. I see all the novelty of this super-mega-flow line only in the fact that the assembled fuselage is not rolled around the shop, but the crane is dragged with a beam, and plus the ladders are not rolled. But in those days we did 5 !!! cars a month without any of these tricks. I do not believe in the bright future of the country, but I do believe in the secure future of modern managers 100%. The process is creeping, the picture is beautiful, the funds are flowing, and the result is not so important and interesting.
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 12 September 2020 10: 23 New
                  0
                  "Yes, plus the ladders do not roll" - at least some progress. Personally, I'm much more interested in how a new wing is made. As they did the old, I saw that there is a suspicion that the monolithic milled panels were abandoned.
    2. tralmaster
      tralmaster 5 September 2020 07: 54 New
      +2
      Do you need a report on products released in Russia.? It was already a while ago, when every plane released was like a holiday, working days will fall on us.
  2. BAI
    BAI 4 September 2020 09: 05 New
    +2
    four PS-90A-76 engines, which work 20% more economically in comparison with the previously used D-30KP2

    If they also make less noise than the old ones, it would be great. And then all the same, the noise, in comparison with other aircraft, is impossible.
    1. Wwk7260
      Wwk7260 4 September 2020 09: 11 New
      +3
      much less as IL96 in relation to IL86 approximately.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 September 2020 09: 13 New
      +2
      The chassis has been reinforced.


      Is it about the chassis, or what?
      1. iouris
        iouris 4 September 2020 12: 01 New
        +4
        This is probably about the wheelset. The term became an aviation term when Levitin was the Minister of Transport (before the ministry, it seems, he was commandant at one of the Moscow railway stations).
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 4 September 2020 13: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: iouris
          This is probably about the wheelset. The term became an aviation term when Levitin was the Minister of Transport (before the ministry, it seems, he was commandant at one of the Moscow railway stations).

          Darkness!

          Then aviation tires would be called a "bandage" ...
          1. iouris
            iouris 4 September 2020 13: 44 New
            +1
            I would say, "Darkness at the end of the tunnel."
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 4 September 2020 18: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        The chassis has been reinforced.


        Is it about the chassis, or what?

        Yes. In English speaking countries, "gear" has both meanings. Well, the local translators don't really understand. There is no bandage in the air wheels, but there are flanges. :)
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 4 September 2020 20: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        The chassis has been reinforced.


        Is it about the chassis, or what?

        Well yes. Cardans, differentials, silent blocks, springs ... laughing
        1. not main
          not main 4 September 2020 22: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Insurgent
          The chassis has been reinforced.


          Is it about the chassis, or what?

          Well yes. Cardans, differentials, silent blocks, springs ... laughing

          Put a plus. But I will add that the driveshafts and differentials are related to the transmission. But as a matter of fact, I support!
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 5 September 2020 14: 03 New
            -2
            Quote: non-primary
            driveshafts and differentials refer to the transmission.

            Not true. "Cardan" in a general sense (and not "cardan shaft") is used in many places. The same gyroscopes hang in the gimbal in the artificial horizons.
            Here, the "differential" is, indeed, purely automobile jargon. Although, the adjective "differential" in aviation also exists. The Tu-154 has differential rockers in the elevator control wiring. :)
            1. not main
              not main 5 September 2020 19: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Avis
              The same gyroscopes hang in the gimbal in the artificial horizons.

              Actually, the cardan is a shaft with hinges. And gyroscopes hang in a hinge, not in a gimbal.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 5 September 2020 20: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: non-primary
                Quote: Avis
                The same gyroscopes hang in the gimbal in the artificial horizons.

                Actually, the cardan is a shaft with hinges. And gyroscopes hang in a hinge, not in a gimbal.

                Actually, you should have learned some materiel. For educational program:
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81




                Sapienti sat.
                1. not main
                  not main 5 September 2020 20: 53 New
                  0
                  Exactly, "gimbal frame"! But not a gimbal! You yourself began to "teach" me that the cardan and the cardan shaft are different things. So at least admit that you yourself are in the same position.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 5 September 2020 21: 10 New
                    -2
                    Quote: non-primary
                    Exactly, "gimbal frame"! But not a gimbal! You yourself began to "teach" me that the cardan and the cardan shaft are different things. So at least admit that you yourself are in the same position.

                    "Cardan" and "cardan shaft" are different things. The second uses the principle of the first in the design - mutually perpendicular suspension axes. In everyday life, the "gimbal" is called the cardan ", just as others call the" gimbal "from the transmission" gimbal. "I just showed in my first commentary that in aviation there is a" gimbal "(a common word).
                    1. not main
                      not main 5 September 2020 21: 36 New
                      0
                      Quote: Avis
                      I just showed in my first commentary that in aviation there is a "cardan" (a common word).

                      And I didn't argue! But if you pay attention, my first comment was in connection with the fact that the landing gear of the aircraft was called "undercarriage". And there is no need to pull out and teach, I knew this 40 years ago.
                      1. Reviews
                        Reviews 5 September 2020 21: 39 New
                        -2
                        Quote: non-primary
                        no need to teach, I knew that 40 years ago.

                        God forbid. There is a category of those whom to teach - only to spoil. They, for example, believe that the cardan and differential are just a transmission.
                        Okay, these are your problems.
                      2. not main
                        not main 5 September 2020 21: 44 New
                        0
                        Quote: Avis
                        They, for example, believe that the cardan and differential are just a transmission.

                        Again ... although I understand, you are the kind who will never admit a mistake. Again I am sending you to the beginning of the discussion.
  3. figwam
    figwam 4 September 2020 12: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: BAI
    If they also make less noise

    Compared to the An-22, you can't even hear it.
  • Ren
    Ren 4 September 2020 09: 09 New
    +6
    Il-76MD-90A: "I am a small horse, but I cost a lot of money."
    But I'm worth my money wink
  • Asad
    Asad 4 September 2020 09: 26 New
    -1
    Some time ago, there were heated debates at VO about the presence of a toilet on the plane.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 4 September 2020 16: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      Some time ago, there were heated debates at VO about the presence of a toilet on the plane.


  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 September 2020 09: 27 New
    -16
    So this has long been known !!!!

    The path is so long and difficult that the Indians managed to fall off from a number of projects (tired of waiting)
    Rogozin, the brace of our elita, managed to come, lead and leave.
    But there is 1 piece, and that's good.

    There is no way to take and develop a passenger version, and not to produce projections, associations, separating and so on.
    You see, by 2030 they would be producing 0,3-0,5 per year ...
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 September 2020 09: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Max1995
      Rogozin, the brace of our elita, managed to come, lead and leave.

      The plant workers themselves do not consider leaving Rogozin Jr. positive for production.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 4 September 2020 10: 01 New
        -6
        So I mark it neutrally.
        The main thing is "how to count".
        If you put Pushkov's daughter instead of him, then Rogozin's son will certainly seem to be an "effective manager" ...
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 4 September 2020 10: 12 New
          +6
          Quote: Max1995
          So I mark it neutrally.

          You, of course, are not Saltykov-Shchedrin, but the sarcasm is read in your expression. Am I wrong, is it a mess? laughing
          1. Maks1995
            Maks1995 4 September 2020 10: 17 New
            -12
            There is sarcasm, after all Rogozin is a bond.
            But what was better with him than now - I willingly believe. "No money, but you ..."

            What I read - divorced the bosses and used uncertified aluminum - shows that some work was going on.
            Yes, and MO, everyone writes, they planted money for air orders some time ago ...

            And that the deadlines were disrupted - they were always disrupted
            1. Brancodd
              Brancodd 4 September 2020 11: 21 New
              +3
              Rogozin Jr. was responsible for the Il-112 project. He worked in Vorenzh. According to the reviews of the team - it worked well
              1. Wwk7260
                Wwk7260 4 September 2020 12: 09 New
                -3
                Quote: Brancodd
                Rogozin Jr. was responsible for the Il-112 project. He worked in Vorenzh. According to the reviews of the team - it worked well

                the Il112 project has completely failed, its actual carrying capacity is less than a single-engine TVS2DTS (analogue of An2). It took off once in all the time. probably there were no pilots to risk lifting a second time.
              2. Maks1995
                Maks1995 4 September 2020 12: 36 New
                0
                I worked, did not work, science does not know this ... (but the roof, the roof is what!)

                We look:
                "In April 2004, the Il-112V aircraft project won the competition .... The first flight of the Il-112V took place on March 30, 2019 ..... The aircraft has many defects ...... but the flight revealed even more shortcomings .. ... failed by more than 2 tons of its own weight, the technical task and has a lower carrying capacity than expected. "

                Rogozin, Alexey Dmitrievich is an effective manager who jumps in various positions thanks to .....

                In 2017-2019 he was the vice-president of the UAC for transport aviation, the general director of the Ilyushin Aviation Complex (PJSC "Il")

                Since October 2019 - Advisor to the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Industry and Innovative Development
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 4 September 2020 14: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Max1995
                  I worked, did not work, science does not know this ... (but the roof, the roof is what!)

                  Obviously, you (and probably many) would be more satisfied with Rogozin Jr. having difficulty graduating from an auxiliary school and working as a janitor at a soap factory ?! Then justice would have triumphed? laughing
                  1. Maks1995
                    Maks1995 4 September 2020 17: 10 New
                    +3
                    This is just your thoughts, do not attribute to others.

                    But the fact that in his track record every 2-3 years he jumps there and here in thieves' positions, you can see right away.
                    1. Brancodd
                      Brancodd 4 September 2020 18: 43 New
                      0
                      "Thug position" - to run a powder factory in Aleksin?
                      1. Maks1995
                        Maks1995 4 September 2020 19: 53 New
                        0
                        There was not, as directed - there is no description.

                        After all, he is a chemist, and a cool aircraft manufacturer, and a professional gunsmith, and a prominent economist, and the second bill geyts, and an analyst, and a transport worker, and an entrepreneur, and a deputy, etc., etc. ...

                        "Advisor to the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Industry and Innovative Development" - in general, everyone should be proud that they live in the same country with such a genius!
                2. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 4 September 2020 20: 48 New
                  +2
                  Fuck, you have logic ..

                  Ie when the design bureau, read the designer, drew do not understand what, which in fact could not fly, since the designer "forgot something there" like a multi-ton beam ...
                  And when these same designers gave their "blunder" into production and the production worker assembled the aircraft according to the documentation provided.
                  And the plane didn't fly ...
                  Then, according to your logic, the production worker is to blame?

                  To go nuts ...
                  Shouldn't a designer be held responsible for being painted?
                  Maybe all the design bureaus should be sent to prisons for frustration and forgery, in the form of deliberately impossible characteristics?
      2. iouris
        iouris 4 September 2020 11: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Hagen
        The plant workers themselves do not consider leaving Rogozin Jr. positive for production.

        Is there any production? From the outside, there is a negative growth in production.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 4 September 2020 20: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        The plant workers themselves do not consider leaving Rogozin Jr. positive for production.

        Everything is correct. He is not a designer, but an administrator, and with his connections he could break through a lot of useful things for the plant. Not like some ordinary supplier.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 September 2020 09: 37 New
    +3
    The creation of the production of IL-76 in the Russian Federation is a forced measure, but fully justified from all sides.
    1. Genry
      Genry 4 September 2020 11: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      Creation of production of IL-76 in the Russian Federation forced measure

      You say that the 76th is not needed? Did you need another?
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 September 2020 11: 56 New
      -1
      How can this be justified?
  • Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 4 September 2020 09: 37 New
    -4
    interesting, and the crew was reduced in it? seven people is a tin by modern standards.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 4 September 2020 10: 11 New
    -3
    Carrying capacity increased from 48 to 60 tons.
    The theoretical ability to drop tanks.
    1. Genry
      Genry 4 September 2020 11: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Trapp1st
      The theoretical ability to drop tanks.

      Are you talking about the main ones? Are they meant for this?
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 September 2020 12: 02 New
      0
      In practice, they can be discarded.
    3. Reviews
      Reviews 4 September 2020 18: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Carrying capacity increased from 48 to 60 tons.
      The theoretical ability to drop tanks.

      What are the mass-dimensional characteristics of the platforms for them?
  • newcomer
    newcomer 4 September 2020 11: 50 New
    0
    In general, the German's note is not bad. However, he would have to ask the question Well, not so with the plagiarism-creative A400, in which even the "teapot" recognizes the good old Antonov.
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 September 2020 12: 03 New
      0
      There was "Antonov", but swam. Having taken off their head, they don't cry for their hair.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 4 September 2020 12: 10 New
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        Nearly. The 178th will be done with the Turks. But that is not the question.
    2. Matthias
      Matthias 4 September 2020 15: 50 New
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      From which "Antonov" do you think the A400 was copied?)
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 4 September 2020 16: 43 New
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        In my opinion, the fuselage, the arrangement of the wings are completely copied from the Antonov Design Bureau. Keel Tupolevsky. Somehow Gendir An joked about this incident, noting that the main performance characteristics of the AN70 are superior to the A400.
        1. Matthias
          Matthias 4 September 2020 18: 04 New
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          In my opinion, the fuselage, the arrangement of the wings are completely copied from the Antonov Design Bureau.
          rather, the Antonov Design Bureau copied technical solutions from the "starlifter" and "galaxy". A400 is more like a "globmaster", but with a different type of engines.
          Keel Tupolevsky.
          It was not at all that Tupolev invented the T-shaped keel and brought it to the form we are used to.
          Somehow Gendir An joked about this incident, noting that the main performance characteristics of the AN70 are superior to the A400.
          in words superior. In reality, however, no one needed the AN70, even with the readiness of selling a production license.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 4 September 2020 18: 45 New
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            Yeah, okay. Then let's go further: to the old man Da Vinci.
            AN70 is not needed? Because the Ukrainians wanted too much, but his performance characteristics are higher and not in words.
            Invented, not invented, but this is his calling card.
            The Antonovsky fuselage is recognizable, perhaps starting from the beginning.
            And if you watch the technique and recognize it, it doesn't matter what is written on board.
            1. Matthias
              Matthias 4 September 2020 19: 50 New
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              Then let's go further: to the old man Da Vinci.
              no, it's worth stopping here. For the statements about the "Soviet legacy" in the A400 look at least strange, this is where the dialogue began.
              It is unlikely that the Ukrainians wanted much for the plane, they have not been spoiled with money in recent decades. However, neither China, nor Brazil, nor Turkey, or any other India, have shown any interest.
              Also retired unclaimed and the promoted twin-shaft turbofan engine.
              T-shaped keels are not Tupolev's calling card, the USSR began to produce aircraft with a similar layout (tu134 / 154) last ...
              The famous "Antonov fuselage" is perfectly visible in the already mentioned "starlifters" and "galaxies", which appeared decades earlier than Antonov's counterparts.
            2. Reviews
              Reviews 5 September 2020 13: 57 New
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              Quote: newbie

              The Antonovsky fuselage is recognizable, perhaps starting from the beginning.

              No, not quite so ... The only thing that the EADS-sheep could "borrow" from the An-70 was the use of propeller-ventilated engines: back in the late 1980s, the Antonovites correctly identified the way to increase the efficiency of transport aircraft. All other technical solutions are standards for modern aviation: the high-wing aircraft is ideal for a ramp truck, the T-tail is no better or worse (in terms of a set of factors) than the classic one, but, after all, the An-70 is not equipped with a T-tail ... And, in general , Tupolev used T forcibly - when creating aircraft with a rear engine layout, otherwise he was an adherent of the classic: Tu-16 / -104 / -124, Tu-128 and Tu-204 (not ANT, but the heirs) to that guarantee. And this is only post-war. By the way, the paper Tu-330 is also a classic. And the Tu-334 will not be considered here. And then at night I will dream. :)
              Indeed, it is on the outward resemblance that the inhabitants of the opposite sandbox build their moronic "inferences" that the Il-62 is licked off the VC-10, and the Tu-144 - from the Concorde. Don't be like.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 September 2020 12: 12 New
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    Quote: Genry

    You say that the 76th is not needed? Did you need another?

    They needed a transport plane and a platform for special tasks. They hoped for Tashkent - as a result, the PRC created a new analogue of the Il-76.
    It was better to have cooperation with Uzbekistan, but it did not work out. Therefore, it was a forced, costly and rather risky business to create production in our country in the conditions of a dilapidated aviation industry. But even an old project today is better for us than something promising tomorrow. Although the IL-76 cockpit is narrow by any measure, this should be taken as an inevitable cost.
    The obtained pluses are enough -
    - there is an airplane,
    - there are orders for it, which gives experience and development of direction in the aircraft industry and related industries.
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd 4 September 2020 16: 54 New
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      The transfer of production from TAPOICH was absolutely justified. When the contract with the PRC was broken, it became clear that it was necessary to transfer it to Ulyanovsk .. But with the transfer of production, the Il 114 was unnecessarily delayed. Lost 8-10 years.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 September 2020 15: 14 New
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    Quote: newbie
    Nearly. The 178th will be done with the Turks. But that is not the question.


    I am calm for the Turks, and they will receive motors from Ukraine, and joint projects. You just need to have in mind a backup plan for the projects of aircraft and motors.
  • Matthias
    Matthias 4 September 2020 15: 47 New
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    Why does il76 have an ugly hump underneath the cockpit? There is nothing like this on any other plane.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 4 September 2020 18: 27 New
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      [/ quote] [quote = Matthias] Why does il76 have an ugly hump underneath the cockpit? There is nothing like this on any other plane.

      Such a radome for a circular radar or radovisir antenna is / was in many aircraft: Tu-104, Tu-124, Tu-134A, An-8, An-12 ...
      But, if it insults your aesthetic sense so much, you can console yourself with some IL-76 EMERCOM.




      1. Matthias
        Matthias 4 September 2020 19: 31 New
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        This is how "IL-76 healthy person" should look like

        And I sincerely do not understand why in Russia even new aircraft continue to be built with this atavism under the cockpit.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 4 September 2020 20: 00 New
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          Quote: Matthias
          This is how "IL-76 healthy person" should look like

          And I sincerely do not understand why in Russia even new aircraft continue to be built with this atavism under the cockpit.

          Who should? Who should? Do not drag your phobias into the technique.
          Well, if you don't understand something there, then, of course, it's good that you confessed, but these are your personal problems. Well, and your treating psychiatrist.
          1. Matthias
            Matthias 4 September 2020 20: 17 New
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            Who should? Who should?
            You, don't you? The greatest superpower in the galaxy should have the best in its troops, not tinted rarities of their 70s.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 4 September 2020 21: 04 New
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              Quote: Matthias
              Who should? Who should?
              You, don't you? The greatest superpower in the galaxy should have the best in its troops, not tinted rarities of their 70s.

              Hmm ... Here psychiatry is already powerless. Lobotomy is needed.
              All sorts of things.
              1. Matthias
                Matthias 4 September 2020 22: 14 New
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                When, in the wake of the coronavirus, a pack of Il-76s arrived in Italy, then almost the entire European Union was outraged that this "air trash" was generally allowed into the skies of Europe. And it's just about IL76, there were no questions to the Russian doctors themselves.
                Do you want to be feared or ridiculed like the backward North Koreans?
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 5 September 2020 06: 17 New
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                  Quote: Matthias
                  When, in the wake of the coronavirus, a pack of Il-76s arrived in Italy, then almost the entire European Union was outraged that this "air trash" was generally allowed into the skies of Europe. And it's just about IL76, there were no questions to the Russian doctors themselves.
                  Do you want to be feared or ridiculed like the backward North Koreans?

                  To the operating room.
  • Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 4 September 2020 17: 11 New
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    I flew to MD. Song.
  • borys
    borys 4 September 2020 18: 01 New
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    Here, some experts, as it were, undertook to discuss the issue
    expediency of transferring production from Tashkent to
    Ulyanovsk. The question is complex and controversial. In every
    case, today's experts are familiar with him at the level of rumors
    and gossip. By the way, the first copies of this type of aircraft
    were collected at TAPOiCH. They are operated in
    Volga-Dnepr Airlines (possibly another name today).
    Regarding the failure of the Chinese contract. TAPOiCH in this matter
    least of all to blame. In short, some Russian
    factories have broken prices for their products, which are necessary
    for aircraft production.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 5 September 2020 00: 24 New
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    I lived there, I know how it was there, non-payments, the lack of an elementary communal apartment in Ulyanovsk, etc., etc.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 5 September 2020 00: 27 New
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    Quote: borys
    Here, some experts, as it were, undertook to discuss the issue
    expediency of transferring production from Tashkent to
    Ulyanovsk. The question is complex and controversial. In every
    case, today's experts are familiar with him at the level of rumors
    and gossip. By the way, the first copies of this type of aircraft
    were collected at TAPOiCH. They are operated in
    Volga-Dnepr Airlines (possibly another name today).
    Regarding the failure of the Chinese contract. TAPOiCH in this matter
    least of all to blame. In short, some Russian
    factories have broken prices for their products, which are necessary
    for aircraft production.

    if Russia will only produce on its territory, even more expensive, I'm only for !!!!!!!!!!
    ps I do not want to feed or defend a freebie later, it will be more expensive.