Which of the foreign customers could be interested in the Russian Su-57 fighter - the press in China is trying to answer

The Chinese press was very interested in a statement made by Anatoly Serdyukov, head of the Rostec aviation cluster, regarding the prospects for the Su-57 fighter. We will remind, Serdyukov said that the primary task today is to put the fifth generation fighter into service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. At the same time, the ex-defense minister added that there is an interest in acquiring the Su-57 from foreign customers.

Chinese reporter Xu Lumin writes that as soon as the Su-57 appears in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, interest in it from foreign customers will increase dramatically. At the same time, the Chinese press are trying to figure out exactly which potential foreign customers Anatoly Serdyukov had in mind, declaring that they were interested in the Russian Su-57 fighter.

It is recalled that earlier Turkey showed interest in the new generation of Russian combat aircraft to a certain extent. When Ankara was excluded from the F-35 program, Turkish authorities "threatened" the United States to buy aircraft from "other suppliers." Then the conversation turned to the possible purchase of the Su-35 and Su-57 from Russia.

It was noted that China is also considering the possibility of purchasing the Su-57 in the "small batch" format. At the same time, Chinese experts do not hide the fact that the purpose of the acquisition may be a detailed study of the technologies implemented on the Russian fifth generation fighter. However, the Chinese side is primarily interested in the latest engines, and the first Su-57s are equipped with power plants of the so-called first stage, in which China is no longer interested.

Comments

[Karaul73]

But when will he appear in the army? It takes a lot of time to make the second side. As I remember, the first one fell during the trials.

[Thrifty]

Guard 73 - so, after the fall of the first, they began to stir! The planes were not even assembled in the workshop, but in a small area that was not suitable for this. The rigging and equipment were antediluvian, the build quality from this was low. And, after the loss of the first serial board, they suddenly found money for new equipment and new rigging. Also, the room itself was modernized, now it really is an assembly shop, not a site! Now there will be a massive higher-quality assembly, I hope.

[Ka-52]

The planes were not even assembled in the workshop, but in a small area that was not suitable for this. The rigging and equipment were antediluvian, the build quality from this was low.

Lean, do you work directly at the 126th site and have you seen the assembly assembly with your own eyes? It seems we have an opus from KnAAZ, it is interesting to see them there Lean and does it confirm?

[Thrifty]

Ka52, and other minusers, I read a detailed interview with one of the leaders of KNaaz, where he directly described the troubles and problems of an enterprise like the Chinese. So, what I indicated was written a long time ago, but this article was not "given a go" with us!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Thrifty

I read a detailed interview with one of the leaders of KNaaz, where he directly described the troubles and problems of an enterprise like the Chinese. So, what I indicated was written a long time ago, but this article was not "given a go" with us!

I will assume that they read on some "Anti-Comprador", and the head of KNaaz is a competent person! - was, of course, a former leader who was fired to replace him with the son of a bureaucrat from Moscow, right?

[Ka-52]

one of the leaders of KNaaz, where he directly described the troubles and problems of an enterprise like the Chinese.

Thrifty, to you and your pluses, so that Alexander Ivanovich or his deputies Chinese (!!!) talked about what they collect Su-57 (prototypes of the newest MFI !!!!) in the garage on your knee? Thrifty, either link to the article or admit that you threw shit on the fan here

[Thrifty]

Ka52 -link I can't give, because my history of visiting sites is cleared automatically! But, I'll try to look for this resource, where the interview took place! !!

[Temples]

Quote: Thrifty

my history of visiting sites is cleared automatically!

In the head?

[Leon68]

Quote: Ka-52

Interestingly, they saw there Lean and confirm?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Thrifty

The rigging and equipment were antediluvian, the build quality from this was low.

Why then only one plane crashed?
Or, again, "the authorities are hiding" and everything got there, they show the layouts, and the grafoni flies?

[Thrifty]

Sidor Amnepodestovich - fell the first serial which was assembled literally feverishly, because they were out of schedule, which is no wonder, given the fact that the 47th assembly shop is a warehouse area quickly converted for assembly!

[Mavrikiy]

Which foreign customer could be interested in the Russian Su-57 fighter?

And who needs it? First of all, the one who is going to fight in the near future, or who is hot. Turkey, Greece, Iran, Iraq, India, Pakistan, China, Israel, Arabian harem of sheikhs, Vietnam, Indonesia. Who will the US allow and who will we allow it differently. In India, exs recently scratched the back of their heads, which would not be bad ... Israel and Turkey may clash, but they have enough high-tech weapons. Iran receives $ 0,5 trillion from China, but "spending where I want" will not work.

[CI7APTAK]

Egypt, Venezuela, RB
Continue the list?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: CI7APTAK

Egypt, Venezuela, RB
Continue the list?

What for? To infinity. Conclusion - everyone needs an airplane. Inform the Chinese, otherwise they are tormented, they cannot eat. Through this they can die. Allies.

[Sofa]

At least a squadron for our troops should start, and then talk about the sale. So with reinforcement in the troops, we are already going to sell.

[vVvAD]

India is a sore subject for the PRC, so the statements of their officials about the possibility of resuming the FGFA program are omitted. And potentially India is the largest customer.
And China ... what kind of customer is it? 10 pieces for reverse engineering - it was, we know.
Wet dreams ... Who will sell them?

[Sofa]

An epic is going on with these planes, it feels like they are collecting one at a time where there is a batch of at least 3-4 planes a year? not a single one. well, I understand Serdyukov heads)))

[Cyril G ...]

Komsomolsk still builds 12-20 Su-35s per year

[Sofa]

Poland has already signed a contract for f 35 and this is a NATO country for a minute, it is necessary to increase the production rate of su 57 and buy more such aircraft, su 35 is the fourth generation with + whatever you say about it, it is inferior to the fifth generation aircraft both in engine and stealth

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Couch

Poland has already signed a contract for f 35

So what? Last year, out of 48 newly purchased F-16s, no more than a third were constantly on alert. So the F-16 is a Kalashnikov assault rifle compared to the F-35 ..

f35 already under 400 pieces in the process of operation remove imperfections and are already exported.

The United States did not have its 90s .. So far .. It is not the Aerospace Forces that give us resistance to defense, although their importance is colossal ..

[Sofa]

And why ??? t 72 B3 ?? armata is also not needed in the troops? At first they were going to order 2500 pieces and the main emphasis will be on them since we are a land country, then they said they were not needed in such quantities in the troops. what do you need.

[Jack O'Neill]

The United States did not have its 90s .. So far .. It is not the Aerospace Forces that give us resistance to defense, although their importance is colossal ..

They had a civil war, and you can remember the war for independence.
In general, the 90s were 30 years ago. And what did the Union do in the same period of time after the Second World War? To a bad dancer ...

[Cyril G ...]

They had a civil war

When, really 30 years ago?
The 90s in Russia ended around 2002-2005, and the state in a sense turned out to be worse than that of the USSR in the early-mid 20s

[Jack O'Neill]

The 90s in Russia ended around 2002-2005, and the state in a sense turned out to be worse than that of the USSR in the early-mid 20s

Even if we take your comments, the 90s ended 15 years ago.
Again, what did the Union do in the 15 years after the Second World War?
Yes, Russia is not a Union, not once, but the period is not short - 15 years.

[Temples]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Again, what did the Union do in the 15 years after the Second World War?

Jack, has it ever occurred to you that the USSR and Russia are one and the same country?
One and the same people.
It was our fathers and grandfathers (tens of millions of whom were killed by the Germans and their European allies) who revived our country.
And our mothers and grandmothers raised our economy from ruins by their labor.

For what purpose are you opposing us and our parents?

In the war, we lost almost everything we had.

The houses had to be rebuilt again.
Build factories and factories.

To raise the economies of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary and many others.

No wonder that we also wanted the comfort that the Americans shouted about.

Yes, we bought and were deceived like fuckers.


But the Americans in the Second World War EARNED.

And we were destroyed in World War II.

You are either a provocateur or just a fool.

Please contact the administrator.

[Jack O'Neill]

Jack, has it ever occurred to you that the USSR and Russia are one and the same country?

Is it?

22 400 000 km²

17 100 000 km²

The same people

No longer. Many republics that were in the Union fled at the first opportunity.

It was our fathers and grandfathers (tens of millions of whom were killed by the Germans and their European allies) who revived our country.

But the Americans in the Second World War EARNED.

Oooh, and here are the very stories arrived.

And we were destroyed in the second world

At the same time, the Union rebuilt everything and launched a man into Space 16 years after the Second World War!

Please contact the administrator.

Well, if you ask well, then maybe I'll complain.

[Sofa]

In the USSR, everyone was equal, and now a handful of Aligarhs live happily ever after, and the people are in poverty

[outsider]

- Which of them is better, Su-35 or Su-57 - only a multiple duel between them could solve - 10 times, 20 times ...

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Couch

f35 already under 400 pieces during operation remove imperfections

More than 500 already.

[figwam]

Quote: Sentry73

But when will he appear in the army?

The first is in October.

[vVvAD]

A contract for 76 Su-57 is also expected. With such a pace, in any case, it is necessary to expand the production base for it, which means that the corresponding costs will be included in the contract. If this is done in stages, then perhaps more will be produced by 2024. I would like to hope so.

[Sofa]

We have all seen these charts, I'll draw my own, they say one thing and it turns out differently

[Viktor Sergeev]

This is an airplane, not a coffee grinder. Plus, they are waiting for the main novelty: RAFAR, so if it is created, Su57 will turn into a monster to destroy everything that flies. Plus new missiles are needed. We actually have nowhere to rush, Russia is not the United States, so that to produce hundreds of raw aircraft and then spend billions on their revision, it is better to wait a couple of years and adopt a normal aircraft. In modern conditions, aircraft of the 4th generation can also cope with the current tasks. What's the point in spending billions on a hangar?

[Sofa]

Why then do we need fifth-generation fighters if the fourth can cope ???? !!! ask Israel about it better, why do they need a fifth-generation fighter

[Viktor Sergeev]

I explain on the fingers:
1. Russia is the country with the largest nuclear potential, as a result, no one in their right mind and memory would think to attack Russia, no matter how much the Americans grunt.
2. Russia has a huge potential aircraft fleet sufficient to sweep out of the sky almost any enemy except the United States.
3. Any attack on Russia that cannot be repulsed with available weapons will end with the use of nuclear weapons.
4. Israel is surrounded by enemies and it will always be like this, while Israel considers itself the navel of the earth, for which it needs the best weapons, plus there are Iran and Turkey, which are approximately equal to Israel, and an advantage is needed against equal. By the way, Israel also uses the 4th generation, and the F35 is for image and advertising. There are many tales of how he flies and no one sees him, but in reality, who knows what happened to his flights.
As you can see, it is enough for Russia to have strong air defense, border guards, nuclear strike detection equipment and forces capable of sweeping away any enemy that does not belong to very strong powers like Georgia and Ukraine. In fact, all modern wars are the struggle of monsters with bedbugs or barmaley.
Well, the Americans did the F22, so what? They stupidly do not know where to apply them, shove them anywhere, so long as it does not stand and rot. Why use an expensive F22 to escort the Tu95? Where F22 is used, F15, 18, A10 cope with much more efficient and cheaper, and their coating does not require replacement, is not afraid of rain and does not flake off.
The F35 was created for sale to the allies just to make money, and along the way, the US military-industrial complex, together with the Pentagon, made good money on this, robbing the budget.
We need Su57 as an experiment, testing funds, new technologies, preparing for the development of the 6th generation, they will make a maximum of 50 pieces, and this is where its story ends.

[Sofa]

Well, on some points, I disagree with you "except for the United States" and there is no one else and there is no need for this is the main country which we interfere with and the rest are just its appendages, secondly, the conflict may not necessarily be a nuclear conflict in 2008, this was shown in 3 x for example, an operation in Syria there, oh, how such planes as su 57 are needed, fourthly, before selling them for export, you first need to have them in sufficient quantity, and fifthly, to demonstrate strength and power

[outsider]

As you can see, it is enough for Russia to have strong air defense, border guards ...

- Necessarily - Sergeant Karatsupa and his faithful dog Dzhulbars!

We need Su57 as an experiment, testing funds, new technologies, preparing for the development of the 6th generation, they will make a maximum of 50 pieces, and this is where its story ends.

- The history of the Su-57 has already ended, but not everyone has noticed it yet ...

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Sentry73

As I remember, the first fell on the test.

There is nothing beyond natural in the fact that there is no fall. Breakdowns and accidents are a common occurrence for new technology in any country.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Grazdanin

There is nothing beyond natural in the fact that there is no fall. Breakdowns and accidents are a common occurrence for new technology in any country.

Quite right. We were also lucky that none of the experienced ones fell. Although one was on fire.

[Victor_B]

It takes time to buy steel.
It is extremely rare to buy something that we ourselves are not in service with (T-90, Su-30MKI, Pantsir, Terminator).
Therefore, as soon as the serial Su-57 will go to the troops, there will be applications for it.
And the Armat family.

[ccsr]

Quote: Victor_B

It takes time to buy steel.

I think that it's not even a matter of time, but that potential buyers, i.e. rich countries, they will not buy it from us due to the pro-American orientation of their purchases - for example, NATO countries or the sheikhs of the Middle East. As for the poor countries, they will want, at best, that we loan them a deal at a favorable interest rate for many years, and this is no longer profitable for us, knowing how everything can end, as it was with the debts of Iraq or Libya.
In general, we will find ourselves in a situation that the main customer of this aircraft will be our Aerospace Forces, but this is not bad for our armed forces. And only then, it is likely that we will choose some kind of long-term contracts with more or less reliable partners and we will supply them with something in exchange for their goods. So far, this is the only way I see the situation, and I think it will take a long time before favorable conditions develop for us. We should not create illusions about the sale of this aircraft abroad - this is the current reality.

[Herman 4223]

So Algeria ordered 14 cars.

[Doccor18]

Turkey, China, India, possibly Algeria and Malaysia. That's all, it looks like.
He will be dear. You can't sell it in hundreds.

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: Doccor18

Dear he will be

I think it's not more expensive than the F-35 with the seventh Windows, which on the fly itself updates drivers and reboots :-) Bill Gates will not let you lie. The network is full of information from the Pentagon about the software of this expensive and raw toy. How many of them have already crashed - count stopped.And we have one of the tests fell and raised the hi, as if the world collapsed. Then they are testing. How many cars does any automaker "kill", testing a bumper or some other trifle? The plane is more complicated than a car and does not roll on the ground.

[Doccor18]

I think not more expensive than the F-35 with the seventh Windows ...

Maybe.
But the price is well adjusted by the seriality. Americans mold them by the hundreds. And the United States has plenty of "friends" - vassals to whom these "toys" can be sold.
And we will have a piece goods.

[Herman 4223]

All the same, this car is very beautiful, buyers will definitely want it.

[Thrifty]

Neither the Turks nor the Chinese Su57 for the next 30 years should be offered or sold, otherwise all our secrets will go to the United States, and will be illegally used by the same Chinese, for whom stealing other people's ideas and technologies is in the order of things!

[Herman 4223]

I will not argue about China, if I sell it in a very large lot at least two hundred.

[Mountain shooter]

the Chinese side is primarily interested in the latest engines, and the first Su-57s are equipped with power plants of the so-called first stage, in which China no longer has interest

There is. And there are those too. And what a

[Cyril G ...]

I agree there is one more. After all, they have nothing like the Al-41. Therefore, they bought 6 more motors for one side, according to rumors

[rocket757]

Why .... guess. Just as soon as we will see ...

[Maks1995]

Empty .... wadded article.
1) Serdyukov on horseback
2) Endogan terrorist accomplice
3) China to blow away.

everybody knew who weren't blondes ...

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Herman 4223

All the same, this car is very beautiful, buyers will definitely want it.

my ex also chose a car for herself)))) because chta "pretty"))))

[Adam Khomich]

Eat something they will eat, but who will give them. If they are to be exported, then in the appropriate configuration, like any other weapon. It is unlikely that anyone will be able to copy without documentation on the applied technologies. The United States, having received full access to the documentation for the RD-180, has not been able to produce it on its own, they still buy from us. So it is with missiles for the S-300, S-400. They have an ampoule, non-opening design.

[Polente the Wanderer]

If there are experts from "KnAAZ", then can they tell you when at least 1 (first) ten serial, and not experimental, SU-57 will be in the army? And what's stopping this?
Does the Su-57 show its outstanding characteristics in reality on the AL-41F1, or is it just a theory based on the engine of the product 30, when it will be unknown?

[3-e-09]

The export potential can be increased if the Su-57 is painted with Khokhloma, Gzhel and other folk paintings. You can also make, for example, an aerobatic team on the Su-57 with images of the cities of the Golden Ring to advertise domestic tourism. There are many who want to have such beauty.

[Karaul73]

Quote: CI7APTAK

Egypt, Venezuela, RB
Continue the list?

Are you joking? Where's the money?

[muham]

Quote: Sentry73

Quote: CI7APTAK

Egypt, Venezuela, RB Continue the list?

Are you joking? Where's the money?

And in the same place as in Vietnam, Syria, Cuba, etc. ...

[fa2998]

Quote: Sentry73

But when will he appear in the army?

Moreover, they are building with the old engine. When the "real" Su-57 appears, all "potential" buyers will already buy the F-35. As a heavy fighter, the Americans could well organize the production of a simplified, export F-22.