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"Did the Russian government have a hand in this?" - German readers react to the situation with Navalny

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On the front pages of the Western press - история with a statement by German government spokesman Steffen Seibert about the alleged discovery by German military toxicologists of a substance from the Novichok group in the body of the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.


The directors of this performance from the theater of the absurd are trying to achieve their goal: for those who do not really understand the essence of the matter, they used the key terms: “Russian oppositionist”, “poisoning”, “Novichok”, “poison, as in the case of Skripal,” “Kremlin regime”. Naturally, representatives of the so-called "irreconcilable" Russian opposition are also trying to pump up the situation, to whom (especially to those with whom Alexei Navalny contacted before a sharp deterioration in health) and themselves a lot of questions.

The German edition Die Zeit comes out with extensive material, which quotes the statement of Angela Merkel:

This crime is directed against the fundamental values ​​and fundamental rights that we stand for.

At the same time, the publication says that the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation sent a request to Berlin to provide documentary evidence of Seibert's statements and what Navalny's analyzes were at the time of admission to the Charite clinic.

The publication cites statements by European politicians. It is told about the summons of the Russian ambassador to the German Foreign Ministry.

From the material:

Britain also called on Russia to tell the truth. And the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen called the situation with the Russian oppositionist a mean and cowardly act.

It should be noted that publications on the situation with Navalny are actively commented on by readers of the German media. Here are a few comments.

Many suspected. But now everything is official. The Russians probably didn't think the proof would be so successful.

In this regard, the question arises: where, in fact, is the evidence, and what is their success, if in the case of a real poisoning by Novichok, a person cannot live even a few minutes?

What a surprise…

Good work of the Bundeswehr laboratory. How treacherous the attack was!


There are also comments with a balanced approach:

The only question is, did the Russian government have a hand in this? I doubt that the Russian special services are so incapacitated that their poisonous substance was subsequently discovered beyond any doubt.

Another German reader believes that in Russia “they underestimated the capabilities of the Charite clinic and the Bundeswehr biolaboratory, to which he was answered like this:

And that is why the Russian authorities were allowed to send the oppositionist to a German clinic?

Meanwhile, a major French publication Le Monde says that in Russia itself, the statement of the German representative about the poisoning of Navalny by Novichok is considered a provocation, to which Germany was deliberately involved.

Certain Western experts have suggested that the main purpose of the provocation may be associated with an attempt by the United States to convince Berlin of the inexpediency of cooperation with Russia on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. That is, it is unambiguously given to understand who, in general, could benefit from a sharp deterioration in the health of the "main Russian oppositionist."
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      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 September 2020 06: 43 New
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        It will be so. Navalny will disappear like the Skripali.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 3 September 2020 06: 49 New
          +6
          I don't know why, but my comment was deleted)))
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 September 2020 06: 50 New
            +3
            Are you scared of something, or was there just some technical error?
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 3 September 2020 06: 51 New
              +5
              No idea )))
              1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 September 2020 06: 54 New
                -1
                For example, I don’t understand why they gave me a minus in the first comment.
                1. RUnnm
                  RUnnm 3 September 2020 06: 57 New
                  +3
                  And then, as it is in waves in such topics, moreover, as it is in waves. At first, it is not clear where the minuses come from, and then real commentators fix it. It has been noticed more than once. I'm not sure if this is put by real readers. Maybe it is done on purpose to involve people in communication.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 3 September 2020 07: 06 New
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                    Interestingly, Navalny's death or disability as a result of alleged POISONING, if there really was, beneficial FIRST OF ALL certain forces in the United States and personally Khodorkovsky.
                    This VERSION is expressed by Russian experts as a result of their analysis of the state of the modern opposition in the Russian Federation. Especially before the elections.
                    See VNRSIA in detail on video from 21:00 min.

                    Navalny and "Navalnism" | The situation in Belarus | Whom does Pashinyan not love? | SMERSH | # 13 • Live: 28 Aug. 2020
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 3 September 2020 07: 22 New
                      12
                      ... the death or disability of Navalny as a result of alleged POISONING, if there really was one, is beneficial to certain forces in the United States and personally to Khodorkovsky.
                      And what - a completely viable version!
                      Lyosha - truncated, well, or "for health reasons" ©, and then the noble Hodor picks up the banner of the struggle for all good, which fell from the weakened hands of an ideological comrade, meanly slain by the Bloody Gebnya ™ ...
                      1. Atlas
                        Atlas 3 September 2020 11: 18 New
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                        Quote: Dude
                        and then noble Hodor

                        Becomes the new rookie victim bully
                        Probably the West will eliminate the Hodor, and they will say that Russia has used the "newcomer" again. Why not. It will be very beneficial for the West. For the West, there will be another opportunity to squeak that Russia is eliminating the "leaders of the non-systemic opposition."
                      2. Dude
                        Dude 3 September 2020 12: 43 New
                        +2
                        Becomes the new bully rookie victim
                        Here - I don't know; Hodor is not a "plush" Lyokha for you, he is a hardened wolf! .. I think there are other stakes on him ...
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 3 September 2020 16: 46 New
                        +1
                        The States do not want to destroy the stocks of the "newbie", so they combine business with pleasure.
                        - We are accused of violating the prohibitions on the production, storage and use of chemical weapons. Albeit in stupid ways.
                        - The Germans are being crammed into the SP-2.
                        Just handsome. The binary effect is mined.
                  2. krops777
                    krops777 3 September 2020 13: 41 New
                    +3
                    Lyosha - truncated, well, or "for health reasons" ©, and then the noble Hodor picks up the banner of the struggle for all good, which fell from the weakened hands of an ideological comrade, meanly slain by the Bloody Gebnya ™ ...



                    There is only one thing, but Navalny is needed in Russia and the current government, and Khodor has been barred from here, and it’s not easy to broadcast from over the hill, there are enough figures without him.
                    I think all the same this is the trick of the United States when it comes to serious poisoning, Germany SP-2 and all that, there is a lot of money at stake.
                2. Snarkxnumx
                  Snarkxnumx 3 September 2020 07: 54 New
                  -31
                  "FIRST OF ALL to certain forces in the US"
                  Do not go crazy. Funny, kindergarten level, pants with straps. Hundreds of corruption investigations across the country.

                  They are being held in the hospital with poisoning and other versions are being voiced. The head is needed I assure you not only to eat. Think ...
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 3 September 2020 08: 38 New
                    10
                    Quote: Snark1876
                    Hundreds of corruption investigations across the country.

                    ===
                    how many appeals he has to the courts, since he has such cool investigations?
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                  3. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 3 September 2020 11: 21 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Victorio
                    Quote: Snark1876
                    Hundreds of corruption investigations across the country.
                    how many appeals he has to the courts, since he has such cool investigations?

                    Navalny himself has long been marginalized and no longer poses such a threat to the modern rulers of the Russian Federation to such an extent that the Russian authorities really needed to remove Navalny from the political arena in their struggle for power in the Russian Federation by poisoning him.

                    At the same time, it has long been known that blogger Navalny has been working for 20 years at the request of WESTERN structures and that Navalny very chicly spends on himself his beloved both his earnings from foreign employers and fees from public donations from Russians on the same vacation abroad with the whole family.

                    Navalny's marginalization also lies in the fact that he simply manipulates the masses of Russians - his supporters - in organizing the Russian Maidan.
                    For example, Navalny put forward his candidacy for the presidency of the Russian Federation, knowing full well that he would not be legally registered by the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation. Because Navalny has dual citizenship - the Russian Federation and Lithuania, and for a long time - from 2010-2011! And he still retains his Lithuanian citizenship.

                    It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian political scientist Ishchenko also draws attention to the marginalization of the "navalnyats" themselves at Navalny's rallies, saying that not quite adequate people prevail among them - "freaks and city madmen".

                    REFERENCE.
                    Freak (English Freak - a freak, also a fanatic, a man obsessed with something). In the modern sense - a person with a bright, unusual, extravagant appearance and defiant behavior.
                    Freaks stand out as a separate subculture - as a rule, it is youth.
                  4. Outsider
                    Outsider 3 September 2020 13: 31 New
                    -9
                    - Tatyana, do you want to exist under the leadership of Putin until the specified year 2036? Answer honestly?
                  5. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 3 September 2020 13: 46 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Outsider
                    - Tatyana, do you want to exist under the leadership of Putin until the specified year 2036? Answer honestly?

                    Well, I definitely don't need Khodorkovsky and Navalny!
                  6. Outsider
                    Outsider 3 September 2020 14: 25 New
                    -11
                    - And what would not suit you with President Khodorkovsky, Prime Minister Yavlinsky, Prosecutor General of Russia Navalny?
                    Preferably point by point and thoughtful?
                  7. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 4 September 2020 12: 59 New
                    -1
                    Khodorkovsky is a criminal in the area of ​​tax evasion and income hiding, who ordered the murder. Enough?
                  8. Outsider
                    Outsider 4 September 2020 16: 25 New
                    -2
                    - Official Russian representatives told you this. The International Court of Justice, completely impartial and objective, has REFUTHED this garbage.
                    By the way: when YUKOS was taken away from Khodorkovsky and torn apart, tax collection there fell SIX TIMES! Than it was under the "bad" Khodorkovsky.
                  9. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 5 September 2020 09: 26 New
                    -2
                    First, YUKOS (its assets) was taken away from the people and torn apart. I don't give a fuck about the International Court of Justice. And the President pardoned Khodorkovsky. Do you know what this means? That the convict himself admitted his guilt. And Western leaders (including Genscher) asked the President for a PERMISSION for Khodorkovsky. That is, they admitted his guilt. Therefore, leave your sick fantasies to yourself.
                  10. Outsider
                    Outsider 5 September 2020 10: 25 New
                    -2
                    - Don't you even know that the imprisonment of Khodorkovsky was not at all because of "tax evasion"? This was the reason, but not the reason.
        2. saigon
          saigon 4 September 2020 13: 00 New
          0
          What has Putin and what does Navalny have to do with it?
          What does the desire to live until 2036 have to do with it? Where is the connection? Washes need to turn on the pumpkin and understand Navalny for many is not an authority or just a value tending to zero.
          Against the background of Belarus, it is also not clear to this character.
  2. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 3 September 2020 08: 46 New
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    Quote: Snark1876
    Do not go crazy.

    Write is written with "I". This time.
    Quote: Snark1876
    The head is needed I assure you not only to eat.

    "I assure you" in this case should be separated by commas. These are two.
    Is illiteracy a visiting card of all supporters of Alexei Anatolyevich?
    By the way, the overwhelming majority of his adherents, especially ardent ones, to my surprise, do not know his middle name. Checked it many times. In four cases out of five, the question of the patronymic of Alexei Navalny puzzles his activists.
    Why did it happen?
    I personally am neither his supporter nor his opponent, but the ignorance and illogicality of his flock annoys.
    To Aleksey Anatolyevich himself - health and a speedy recovery. But I'm afraid that in the Omsk City Clinical Hospital he was much safer than in the Charite clinic.
  3. Victorio
    Victorio 3 September 2020 08: 53 New
    +3
    ) do this more often, everyone will benefit
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 3 September 2020 08: 55 New
    +9
    In four cases out of five, the question of the patronymic of Alexei Navalny puzzles his activists.
    Why did it happen?

    Everything is simple here. Non-Polzhivtsy are oriented to the west, but there are no patronymics there. Therefore, they are simply not interested in the presence of it in others.
    If they were fed from Erdogan, then Alexey Anatoly-oglu would write.
  5. Captain45
    Captain45 3 September 2020 09: 36 New
    +8
    Quote: Snark1876
    Funny, kindergarten level, pants with straps. Hundreds of corruption investigations across the country.

    Name at least one criminal case initiated based on materials from Navalny's speeches! Maybe the Sakhalin governor or the Komi governor with the team on Lesha's statements was closed? No? Then maybe he planted the millionaire colonels? Also no? And in Chelyabinsk for the roads, he covered the head of road construction? Also no? Then what criminal did Navalny reveal? And I remembered that he had ripped Kirovles with the Vyatka governor of Belykh, but so interestingly had it. They stole together, Belykh sits seven, and Lesha hangs out at rallies. The question is who passed whom?
  6. Atlas
    Atlas 3 September 2020 11: 19 New
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    Quote: Snark1876
    Hundreds of corruption investigations across the country.

    Is there any sense in these so-called "investigations"? No?
    Quote: Snark1876
    Think ...

    Why don't you think, but repeat the writings of the liberal opposition?
  7. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 3 September 2020 11: 54 New
    +4
    EVERYTHING is as always and usual: nothing is known for sure, nothing has been proven for sure, BUT it is assumed, high-likes, that Russia is to blame for EVERYTHING!

    And hysteria begins in the Western media and Western politicians, Russian ambassadors are summoned to the Western foreign ministries, Russia and Putin are calling names and spitting in every possible way, they are invited to immediately unconditionally repent and admit their guilt!

    The meanest and most shameless Western "politics" !!!
  8. sniperino
    sniperino 3 September 2020 12: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    The meanest and most shameless Western "politics" !!!
    Today, lies have become not a sign of dishonor, but the main tool of "effective communication", which is taught in universities by various specialists who work with people, and not only in network marketing. An adequate response to such changes would be to comprehend the social danger of lying in the era of globalization of the information space and to increase administrative and criminal responsibility for all illegal acts carried out through deception.
  9. Dude
    Dude 3 September 2020 13: 00 New
    +3
    Do not go crazy. Funny, kindergarten level, pants with straps. Hundreds of corruption investigations across the country.
    What does the investigation have to do with it? To poison Lyokha, especially at such a moment (Belarus, SP-2), is like death for the Kremlin! But the USA (suddenly, right? wink) suddenly become the main beneficiaries. Both political and economic benefit - the Americans need to sell their LNG! So, as the ancient Latins said - Is fecit cui prodesthi
    Navalny, IMHO, in general, is very beneficial to the Kremlin - as a classic version of "letting off steam" from the dissatisfied.
    So do not poison him, it is just right to present him with state awards, like a useful fool.
    And so, if you poison, then not as a Newbie - this is pale - what, there are not enough effective poisons, or what? Only drug addicts and cats suffer from the Novice so far. And if they were already poisoned, then who would have let him go to Nemetchina? (By the way, I think this is a big mistake, it was necessary to treat him in Moscow. Otherwise, they themselves surrendered the trump cards in the hands of the enemies.)
    So, you yourself may also think ...
  • Captain45
    Captain45 3 September 2020 09: 30 New
    +6
    Quote: Tatiana
    beneficial FIRST OF ALL certain forces in the United States and personally Khodorkovsky.

    Well, I don’t know, yesterday on “Conte” there was an article where they quoted Khodorkovsky's words to the Western edition and he directly said that Navalny didn’t need to interfere with the moonshine and Navalny either wasted this money, or simply skimmed it. In general, there is no money, and you, Michal Borisych, hold on, abroad will help you. Therefore, Hodor is extremely unhappy with Navalny. It is quite possible that this was a response to Navalny for ... ... the money spent by Hodor, especially since he has experience, he is not the first time to blame people.
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 3 September 2020 09: 39 New
    +3
    Highly likely = Cui prodest? The question is rhetorical, for the thief and the hat are on fire.
    But in the West, propaganda is doing its dirty work.
  • Atlas
    Atlas 3 September 2020 11: 18 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    beneficial FIRST OF ALL certain forces in the United States and personally Khodorkovsky.

    I don’t know about Khodorkovsky, but for the US political elite, the death of “the main oppositionist at the hands of the Russian special services” is very beneficial.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 September 2020 07: 27 New
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    Now the outskirts will wake up, and minus will flow like a river.
    Navalny is a typical "Skripals' cat" ... He did not suffer from "Novichok", but he was put to sleep so that he would not meow too much wassat .
    1. FenH
      FenH 3 September 2020 07: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Now the outskirts will wake up, and minus will flow like a river.
      Navalny is a typical "Skripals' cat" ... He did not suffer from "Novichok", but he was put to sleep so that he would not meow too much wassat .

      It was necessary to invite the Chinese as an independent party and when transferring the carcass of this little rat for video recording, drain half a liter of blood for tests, with the transfer to a third party. And so most likely the Germans say the truth that the oval was poisoned in the plane, but they did not specify that Traveled on the way to Germany hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 September 2020 08: 49 New
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        Quote: FenH
        Should have invited the Chinese as an independent party

        Moreover, remind the Chinese about "Zaprozh Sich". Oh that will be!
      2. FenH
        FenH 3 September 2020 08: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: FenH
        Should have invited the Chinese as an independent party

        Moreover, remind the Chinese about "Zaprozh Sich". Oh that will be!

        It is too late, unfortunately, it was necessary to think earlier, to play ahead of the curve. hi
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 September 2020 09: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: FenH
        It is too late, unfortunately, it was necessary to think earlier, to play ahead of the curve.

        But it's never too late to remind.
      4. FenH
        FenH 3 September 2020 09: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: FenH
        It is too late, unfortunately, it was necessary to think earlier, to play ahead of the curve.

        But it's never too late to remind.

        It is never too late to counterattack. It is necessary to pull out the ambassador of Germany and officially blame the transportation personnel for the premeditated poisoning of a citizen of the Russian Federation of poisoning, initiate a criminal case and demand the extradition of the suspects, the more there is evidence of poisoning, they themselves voiced them. hi
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 September 2020 09: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: FenH
        We need to pull out the ambassador of Germany and officially blame the poisoning

        Zhenya on the carpet to Putin.
      6. FenH
        FenH 3 September 2020 09: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: FenH
        We need to pull out the ambassador of Germany and officially blame the poisoning

        Zhenya on the carpet to Putin.

        Lots of honor, and MFA is over the top
    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana 4 September 2020 04: 48 New
      0
      Quote: FenH
      It is never too late to counterattack. It is necessary to pull out the ambassador of Germany and officially blame the transportation personnel for the premeditated poisoning of a citizen of the Russian Federation of poisoning, initiate a criminal case and demand the extradition of the suspects, the more there is evidence of poisoning, they themselves voiced them.

      A very correct proposal! I support!
      The only thing that is embarrassing is the fact that Germany will definitely get into a pose and will deny to the stop, preserving the "face" or "honor of the uniform," right up to the threat of closing the SP-2 completion for the Russian Federation and Germany. In this case, you need to know well the situation in Germany itself from the side of industrialists.
      And so, psychological pressure is already being exerted on Merkel, that allegedly Putin does not reckon with Merkel at all and does not put her into anything.

      In the case of Navalny's "poisoning", the British and American special services simply framed Merkel and set her on Putin, and Putin on Merkel - knocked their heads off ..
  • Outsider
    Outsider 3 September 2020 14: 08 New
    -7
    - And the plane from Tomsk to Moscow, he, bastard, imitated everything! Both pain and loss of consciousness! To, having organized an emergency landing, get first to Omsk, to the hospital, and then to Germany! And on the way to Germany already swallow the real poison!
  • FenH
    FenH 3 September 2020 14: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Outsider
    - And the plane from Tomsk to Moscow, he, bastard, imitated everything! Both pain and loss of consciousness! To, having organized an emergency landing, get first to Omsk, to the hospital, and then to Germany! And on the way to Germany already swallow the real poison!

    It was necessary to interfere with booze with drugs less so that there was no pain and loss of consciousness, and he was treated as a "newbie" on the way to Germany, so that SP-2 could be stopped, as they say, from a black sheep, at least a tuft of wool, his master Hodor Sisyan no longer needs , would stay in Omsk, survive
  • cost
    cost 3 September 2020 08: 04 New
    11
    Beginner. And if a Novichok, then from what Budun do they claim that he is Russian? After all, the British have the formulas for this OV, and now it turns out that the Germans also.
    But who poisoned him with them is already a question. In the Russian Federation, Navalny's biomaterials remained, which were taken for analysis before sending him to Germany. If they are published, there will be a sensation, so it turns out to be a rather interesting situation. IMHO, the Germans here freely, or not willingly, set themselves up
    1. FenH
      FenH 3 September 2020 08: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: Rich
      Beginner. And if a Novichok, then from what Budun do they claim that he is Russian? After all, the British have the formulas for this OV, and now it turns out that the Germans also.
      But who poisoned him with them is already a question. In the Russian Federation, Navalny's biomaterials remained, which were taken for analysis before sending him to Germany. If they are published, there will be a sensation, so it turns out to be a rather interesting situation. IMHO, the Germans here freely, or not willingly, set themselves up

      Russia will now be rushed from all sides with accusations, but it was necessary to involve the Chinese, before the transfer of this mudaputala, and at the first blather about the "poisoning", call the German ambassador and accuse a citizen of the Russian Federation of poisoning, instead of providing assistance in treatment. iron, it was broadcast that the Germans poisoned a citizen of the Russian Federation, so that they justified themselves, and not Russia hi
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 3 September 2020 08: 58 New
      +5
      Under Stalin, for such a low-quality Novice, they would have been shot already.
      The only excuse of the creators is the plans to use over the hill. Therefore, they did not take into account that vodka decomposes poison.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 September 2020 09: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Pereira
      Under Stalin, for such a low-quality Novice, they would have been shot already.

      Yes, there were times how beautifully Sudoplatov Konovalets trawled sweets. Clean work.
    4. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 September 2020 18: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      Under Stalin, for such a low-quality Novice, they would have been shot already.
      The only excuse of the creators is the plans to use over the hill. Therefore, they did not take into account that vodka decomposes poison.

      Binary OV vodka on the drum. 2 gr. - 500 corpses. Drunk, stoned, or perfectly healthy. And no chance. By the way, the first sign of a nerve agent is respiratory paralysis. They didn't write something like that about Navalny. So "was there a boy"?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 September 2020 09: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: Rich
    Beginner. And if a Novice, then from what Budun do they claim that he is Russian?

    I'll explain it to you with an example. Homosexuality, 200 years of gazad - a) unacceptable, after 100 years - b) radically, after the next 50 years - c) acceptable, after another 25 years - d) reasonable, after another 15 years - e) popular, and now - f) state norm. This is how public opinion is created and the "unthinkable" is affirmed.
  • Atlas
    Atlas 3 September 2020 11: 20 New
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    Quote: Rich
    If they are published, there will be a sensation

    The West will accuse Russia of falsification. They have already thought of this option. We need to think of something else ...
  • Dude
    Dude 3 September 2020 13: 20 New
    +1
    After all, the British have the formulas for this OV, and now it turns out that the Germans also.
    The Czechs, I remember, even officially worked out a certain amount, "for research purposes," then, allegedly, destroyed it. And all OPCW member countries are familiar with the formulas A-234, A-232 and A-242 (substances from the "Novice" group).
  • Outsider
    Outsider 3 September 2020 14: 16 New
    -8
    - It is clear that this "Novichok" is not Russian. It was sent from Salisbury, scraped off the Skripal's doorknob! And they quietly mixed it into tea for Navalny - drink, Leshenka! He drank ... It is clear that this is an "Englishwoman crap" ...
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 3 September 2020 09: 43 New
    +6
    In the West, they know how to count money. If the Navalny project continues to consume money with vague prospects, it should be scrapped, but in such a way that it benefits the customer. And there is a short conversation with the waste material - Berezovsky will not let him lie. Hence, a sacred sacrifice. You just need to take him and his family out to control. And you don't even need to kill - he'll catch on, but it's too late - and he won't beep.
    Conclusion: the executor is a foreign special service. This is how it is - the hail on the hill.
  • Dude
    Dude 3 September 2020 13: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Now the outskirts will wake up, and minus will flow like a river.
    Navalny is a typical "Skripals' cat" ... He did not suffer from "Novichok", but he was put to sleep so that he would not meow too much wassat .

    Cat, damn it, most of all sorry! He suffered for nothing, poor fellow! .. sad
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  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 3 September 2020 07: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    For example, I don’t understand why they gave me a minus in the first comment.


    Skripal read it and put a minus sign. Offended.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 September 2020 08: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    For example, I don’t understand why they gave me a minus in the first comment.

    Well, probably that person thinks that Lyokha will not disappear like the Skripali. I also think that Zhenya,
    he will protect his "guest", not poison. Although according to the theory of "Overton windows", the stage has already passed into the sixth window, (state norm) and Lyokhe .... sorry for the man, he jumped.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2020 08: 58 New
      -6
      Skripal has not disappeared anywhere. He calls his mom in Moscow periodically. Although he remained chronically ill after poisoning.
      Navalny will also likely remain chronically ill.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 3 September 2020 09: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Skripal has not disappeared anywhere. He calls his mom in Moscow periodically. Although he remained chronically ill after poisoning.
        Probably, will remain chronically ill and Navalny.

        ===
        you probably have first-hand info
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 3 September 2020 09: 16 New
          +2

          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Skripal has not disappeared anywhere. He calls his mom in Moscow periodically. Although he remained chronically ill after poisoning.
          Navalny will also likely remain chronically ill.

          ===
          you probably have first-hand info
          He has infa about the top officials of the Mossad. wink laughing lol laughing Voyaka uh screwed up - nowhere else!
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 3 September 2020 09: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: aszzz888
          rushed voyaka uh - nowhere else!

          ===
          (bad at all
        3. aszzz888
          aszzz888 3 September 2020 09: 25 New
          +2

          Victorio (Victor)
          Today, 09: 22

          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          voyaka uh rushed - nowhere else!

          ===
          (bad at all
          Honestly work out the enclosed)) in it. wink There will be no answer to inconvenient questions from him. Again, a method.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 3 September 2020 09: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Victorio
      you probably have first-hand info

      Skripals' missing cat has attached its own paw to this infe lol
    3. Consul
      Consul 3 September 2020 11: 45 New
      19
      Quote: Captain45
      Skripals' missing cat has attached its own paw to this infe

      Poor cat. I fell into the hands of the wrong owners ...
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 3 September 2020 11: 35 New
    +1
    We said on the news that he moved to New Zealand.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 3 September 2020 18: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex Justice
    We said on the news that he moved to New Zealand.

    Kitty ?! ... belay
  • Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 4 September 2020 13: 02 New
    0
    Skripal's mother told him.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 September 2020 09: 09 New
    +6

    voyaka uh (Alexey)

    -1
    Skripal has not disappeared anywhere. He calls his mom in Moscow periodically. Although he remained chronically ill after poisoning.
    Navalny will also likely remain chronically ill.

    Another unconfirmed lie from voyaka uh (Alexey). Nothing is OFFICIALLY known about their family - father and daughter. Already so familiar to voyaka uh (Alexey) are phony stuffing that it became disgusting for a normal person to take them into account. If there is a refutation, give specific facts about the Skripals' TLF conversations. I suspect that this will not happen, and therefore in action the above. Pi.C.
    "PEACE
    PLOT: THE CASE OF THE SCRIPTS
    Skripal's family resigned themselves to the prospect of not seeing him again

    2 March 2020, 05: 27
    6968
    VICTORIA SKRIPAL

    Photo: Global Look Press / Andrew Parsons / ZUMAPRESS
    Two years after the disappearance of a former GRU employee Sergei Skripal in British Salisbury, relatives resigned themselves to the fact that they would never see him again, said ex-Colonel's niece Victoria Skripal.

    According to her, Since June 26, 2019, her uncle has no longer contacted the family. Skripal's 92-year-old mother, who lives in Yaroslavl, is still waiting for a call from her son, although the rest of her relatives generally understand that this is unlikely to happen.

    “Are we looking forward to his return? Yes, we are waiting. Do we understand that, most likely, we will never meet? Yes, we understand ... Everyone understands that we are hostages of this situation, we cannot change anything, "RIA Novosti quotes Viktoria Skripal.

    Former GRU officer Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned in British Salisbury on March 4, 2018. London claims they were exposed to a Novichok-class nerve agent allegedly being developed in Russia. The British side accused Moscow of involvement in the incident. Russia has repeatedly denied all charges. "

    Waiting for an explanation from voyaka uh (Alexey)
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2020 09: 46 New
      -9
      All my publications have been confirmed over time. And the forum of the Military Review knows it. As you know it. smile
      Simply, the information is unpleasant for you.
      And it elicits an emotional reaction.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 3 September 2020 10: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      All my publications have been confirmed over time. And the forum of the Military Review knows it. As you know it. smile
      Simple, information unpleasant for you.
      And elicits an emotional reaction.

      ===
      What nonsense, don't you think that those present have a grudge against the creaks, at best it is contempt. and his current problems are his problems. it is not clear why you are so interested in it (it looks like stuffing), you issue it a second time (in my memory).
      ps in no way interfere with your picks with the sheriff
    3. Humpty
      Humpty 3 September 2020 15: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      All my publications have been confirmed over time. And the forum of the Military Review knows it. As you know it.

      For example, your statement that a railway was built from China to Pakistan. Even over time, it was not confirmed in any way. I’m not out of spite. So that healthy self-criticism remains
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2020 16: 36 New
      0
      Ha! Eck, you fooled me ... good
      Yes, there is a hefty chunk in eastern Pakistan never built. I admit ...
    5. aszzz888
      aszzz888 4 September 2020 13: 55 New
      0

      voyaka uh (Alexey)
      Yesterday, 16: 36
      NEW

      +1
      Ha! Eck, you fooled me ... good
      Yes, there is a hefty chunk in eastern Pakistan never built. I admit ...
      “Humpty” still found the fact of a lie. I do not want to delve into your stream of lies, but people see for themselves.
  • Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 4 September 2020 13: 10 New
    0
    Alexey, you position yourself as smart with an analytical mindset? Three questions - why was it necessary to poison Skripal in England, when he could arrange "heart problems" in the Russian colony?
    Why was it necessary to hound Navalny, and then allow the "transfer" to Germany within 3 days? Third, when and how was Navalny killed? Did his assistant say he only bought tea at the airport? Have you taken anything at the hotel before your flight? How was he poisoned with such a "dangerous poison" when he was constantly surrounded by at least a few people?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 September 2020 13: 52 New
    +1

    voyaka uh (Alexey)
    Yesterday, 09: 46

    -8
    All of my publications have been confirmed over time. AND on the forum of the Military Review they know it... As you know it. smile
    Simply, the information is unpleasant for you.
    And it elicits an emotional reaction.
    And why for all "on the forum to steam"? I would answer for myself. And the disadvantages of members of the forum speak for themselves. Bragging is not a good trait. And a lie with boasting is disgusting and disgusting, and therefore "causes" a natural reaction of a normal person.
  • Consul
    Consul 3 September 2020 11: 45 New
    18
    Quote: voyaka uh
    chronically ill

    This is the kind of medicine in the West. They treat, treat, and as a result, patients remain chronically ill ...
  • Pereira
    Pereira 3 September 2020 08: 59 New
    +6
    It is necessary to tie it in time. And with politics and booze.
    1. Consul
      Consul 3 September 2020 11: 46 New
      19
      Quote: Pereira
      It is necessary to tie it in time.

      Better not to start at all. yes
  • Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 September 2020 06: 58 New
    +3
    After all, maybe Navalny himself from Charite is trying.
  • figwam
    figwam 3 September 2020 07: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: RUnnm
    I don't know why, but my comment was deleted)))

    Do not be surprised at the deleted comment after you wrote that this topic is bored and how much it can be discussed)
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 3 September 2020 07: 48 New
      +1
      Well, yes, that explains a lot)))
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    1. The Word of the Word
      The Word of the Word 3 September 2020 07: 35 New
      18
      In the hands of the Kremlin were Navalny's biomaterials taken for analysis. With their help, you can easily refute any lie. The Kremlin is demanding an official response with a diagnosis of analyzes, etc., to refute them. True, it seems that the Germans will not present any official papers. There will be empty rhetoric and real sanctions) If there were no Navalny, then there would be Efremov, Goizman, Roizman, Gelman, Shenderovich, Katz or Albats.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 3 September 2020 08: 20 New
        +2
        What's the point ?! They will amicably declare that these materials have been replaced and that's it. No one will listen to anyone.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 3 September 2020 09: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Word Rule
        If there were no Navalny, then there would be Efremov, Goizman, Roizman, Gelman, Shenderovich, Katz or Albats.

        Here, damn it, no "Novice" will be enough, only an ice ax, or a truck, as with Mikhoels. Painfully the above, I don't even know what to call them, got them with their screams. am
        1. cost
          cost 3 September 2020 11: 31 New
          +2
          Here, damn it, no "Newbie" is enough

          Your concerns are understandable. But don't worry. Petrov and Basharov at a press conference for foreign journalists said that they have a plan B in this case - "For the sake of conspiracy, we will hammer with matryoshka dolls and balalaikas" laughing .
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  • Civil
    Civil 3 September 2020 07: 20 New
    +2
    Nevelny and his friends put a pig on Russia ... this drain barrel of one of the bourgeois groups, one can only guess how this group is connected with the West.
  • Finches
    Finches 3 September 2020 07: 24 New
    +4
    The absurdity of the accusations is obvious ... Leshenka has enough enemies even without the Kremlin - it's only his comrades-in-arms and young little lousies who think that Leshenka is a saint - but it’s the Kremlin’s merit that he’s not in prison for his commercial machinations! Looks like someone threw him, and they trawled him, or maybe he himself, he ate coke to the point of passing out ... The West, when it does not know what else to come up with against Russia, does not really fantasize - "Newbie! The Kremlin is poisoning everyone with" Novichok "- even analyzes no need to do ... And the corona vaccine, this is also "Novice", so we will not buy it ... laughing
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 3 September 2020 08: 23 New
      -9
      Quote: Finches
      Leshenka has enough enemies without the Kremlin

      so maybe not the Kremlin, but the regional lads ... Navalny went to Tomsk to investigate. True, the question arises already to the Kremlin - how could such poison get to the bandits, is it generally close to weapons of mass destruction ?! Which is also very unpleasant
      1. Finches
        Finches 3 September 2020 08: 33 New
        +4
        Everything is possible, but the "Novichok" was not there, it still needs to be proved, and not based on unfounded statements by the American lackey!
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 3 September 2020 07: 30 New
    +5
    On the way, he has already disappeared. They only write about him, but no one sees him.
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 3 September 2020 07: 57 New
      +9
      Quote: Svetlana
      On the way, he has already disappeared. They only write about him, but no one sees him.

      This is the "Newbie" action. It was the same with Skripal. Became an invisible man.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 3 September 2020 14: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Shuttle
        This is the "Newbie" action. It was the same with Skripal. Became an invisible man.

        It is precisely this fact that a person disappears after the application of the "Novichok", and indicates its Western production. From our Russian, that's all, the carcass is in place, in snot and vomit, but in the West it was finalized and there a person disappears without a trace. belay
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 September 2020 08: 24 New
    +6
    As a man disappeared long ago, one skin remained for sale.
    1. vVvAD
      vVvAD 3 September 2020 09: 56 New
      +2
      According to your deeds, you will be rewarded. What goes around comes around.
      You just need to live according to your conscience.
    2. Consul
      Consul 3 September 2020 11: 50 New
      17
      Quote: Incvizitor
      one sellable skin remained

      Yes, and that spoiled and smelly ...
  • Atlas
    Atlas 3 September 2020 11: 17 New
    12
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Navalny will disappear

    And for some reason I won't feel sorry for him at all if he disappears
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 3 September 2020 11: 32 New
    0
    We have already concocted a series about the Skripals, they are showing it on TV.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 September 2020 11: 47 New
    +2
    This crime is directed against the fundamental values ​​and fundamental rights that we stand for.

    It remains only to grow a mustache on two fingers and comb the bangs to the left. And it's so funny to shake your hands.
    Europe very happily forgot the results of the Second World War. She also forgot about the fact that practically in full force she helped the Third Reich to kill millions of Soviet citizens. And now this desman is broadcasting about values! Nazism as a phenomenon has not gone anywhere in Europe. And the hatred of the highest circles for our country has not disappeared either. This European reserve has always been full of hatred for its eastern neighbor, at all times, and the Anglo-Saxons only slightly stir up these sentiments, without much straining.
  • snake
    snake 3 September 2020 14: 11 New
    0
    God bless him, with Navalny. The saddest thing is that the West can bring any, the most absurd accusations against Russia and introduce additional sanctions. And the Russian Federation in response - zilch. Here, Germany blames - newbie, etc. Here's a sanction - get it and sign it. And what do we answer them? Right! SP-2. And even that will not hold out. Let this poisoning be a performance, provocation, etc. The result is the same: the Russian Federation again gets sanctioned bream and roars offended: You are lying! Nobody hounded Navalny! I'm not guilty! Yes, only - Vaska listens, but eats.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 3 September 2020 06: 45 New
    +5
    Well, you said yourself
    disappear like Skripali
    so it will be. If the Anglo-Saxons were in advance with the Skripals, then here are the Germans. Then there will be the French, the Swedes, finally, some Poles or Czechs ... The Italians will certainly not trust any version of "Skripali xxxxx2222xxxx" they can do it and not finish it, but you can rely on the Germans, they will certainly cope ...
    1. halpat
      halpat 3 September 2020 07: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: The Truth
      Well, you said yourself
      disappear like Skripali
      so it will be. If the Anglo-Saxons were in advance with the Skripals, then here are the Germans. Then there will be the French, the Swedes, finally, some Poles or Czechs ... The Italians will certainly not trust any version of "Skripali xxxxx2222xxxx" they can do it and not finish it, but you can rely on the Germans, they will certainly cope ...

      Do the Germans need to fuss?
      I think that mattresses and Angliks have some kind of killer dirt on Merkel.
      Like ... not only was the Stasi informant in her Komsomol youth, but specifically on her denunciation, someone was very seriously mocked at that time, from a well-known, influential family / clan today ... "Krupp, Thyssen" ... something like that.

      During her many years in power, this happened several times.
      If there are not enough arguments in yet another false Anglo-Saxon buzz against Russia, then there is a pause and ... then SUDDENLY Merkel appears with "confirmation" or immediately with anti-Russian rhetoric, although before ... everything was fine.
      There is no other way to explain her periodic jumps.
      They transmit the material, the voice acting of which she must produce and the postcard :)) with a reminder ... if cho - you will fly out like a traffic jam, you may not be able to get to jail.
      And rushed.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 3 September 2020 08: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Halpat
        I think mattresses and Angliks have some kind of killer dirt on Merkel

        ===
        maybe there is. will retire, will tell, probably !?
        1. vVvAD
          vVvAD 3 September 2020 09: 59 New
          0
          She will not tell, because then she will have to be inherited along with the royalties.
          1. halpat
            halpat 3 September 2020 10: 19 New
            0
            Quote: vVvAD
            She will not tell, because then she will have to be inherited along with the royalties.

            I agree. She will not tell herself under any circumstances.
            I wonder what her “operational” pseudonym is?
            I like "Marta" :))) for some reason.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 3 September 2020 13: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Halpat
              I like "Marta" :))) for some reason.

              ===
              ) and if "forget-me-not" ?!
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 3 September 2020 14: 19 New
      0
      Quote: The Truth
      so it will be. If the Anglo-Saxons were in advance with the Skripals, then here are the Germans. Then there will be the French, the Swedes, finally, some Poles or Czechs ...

      Do you suppose that it may soon be necessary to fertilize the Russian plains again with high-quality European guano? It's hard, of course, in old age to take a pitchfork, but what to do? "It is necessary, Fedya, it is necessary" (c)
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 06: 40 New
    10
    There are also comments with a balanced approach:

    The only question is, did the Russian government have a hand in this? I doubt that the Russian special services are so incapacitated that their poisonous substance was subsequently discovered beyond any doubt.

    Indeed, couldn’t they have done everything neatly, if the order for liquidation had been given, We could have done it so that the mosquito would not have undermined the nose.
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    2. TriA
      TriA 3 September 2020 10: 58 New
      17
      Hence the conclusion: either there was no poisoning and the Western special services played a "show", or the Western special services themselves in Germany and poisoned him.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 September 2020 06: 42 New
    10
    And I like the comments of the Germans, because Well, the "newbie" does not pass, who can not poison anyone for the second ... tenth time. And Merkel, apparently for her position on "SP-2", was made by the Anglo-Saxons such an offer, which she really could not refuse. Conscience - she is, or she is not. And in the West this concept is completely absent.
    1. Pike
      Pike 3 September 2020 07: 23 New
      +5
      Already by the fact that all the violinists survived, many called the "Novichok" accused of using a combat non-toxic substance. Moreover, as you know, milligrams of the "Novice" g̰a̰r̰a̰n̰t̰ḭr̰o̰v̰a̰n̰n̰o̰ kill all living things.
      (oh yes, the Skripals cat died, left at home, though from hunger)
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 3 September 2020 07: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And Merkel, apparently for her position on "SP-2", was made by the Anglo-Saxons such an offer, which she really could not refuse.

      She grabbed him happily! And then how to sit on 2 chairs? And so it seems to have preserved its face in front of GDP, and bowed to the United States. And in general, on whose initiative was he transported to the Charité? Merkel has already appeared in Ukraine with the suffering Yulia, and Yushchenko "supported". I want a photo of Merkel with the dying Navalny!
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 3 September 2020 08: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      .. Conscience - it is, or it is not. And in the West this concept is completely absent.

      The West has nothing to do with it. The problem with conscience is not in the West, but in capital. For money, he is ready for any crime. What a conscience there!
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 3 September 2020 09: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Shuttle
        Quote: rotmistr60
        .. Conscience - it is, or it is not. And in the West this concept is completely absent.

        The West has nothing to do with it. The matter with conscience is not The West, but in capital. For money, he is ready for any crime. What a conscience there!

        ===
        and not only there, unfortunately, almost everywhere.
  • figwam
    figwam 3 September 2020 06: 42 New
    +8
    the purpose of the provocation may be associated with an attempt by the United States to convince Berlin of the inexpediency of cooperation with Russia

    This is an attempt by a third party to embroil Germany and Russia, and for some reason it seems to me that this was done by the special services of a neighboring state.
  • shoroh
    shoroh 3 September 2020 06: 45 New
    +5
    dead Navalny is much more beneficial to our geopolitical opponents than alive.
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    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 3 September 2020 07: 17 New
      +1
      And, by the way, that's right ... Where is the carcass itself? Maybe already dismantled for parts. In any case, it is high time for our prosecutor's office to ask the Germans about the disappearance of a Russian citizen (no matter what kind of bastard he is). And then so and any abyss can. And Charité, in connection with this case, was really substituted for it turned into a "diagnosis by order".
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        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 3 September 2020 10: 17 New
          +1
          Gyyy))). If ours and BSMP publish how drunks get out of binges, then they will reveal Russia's biggest military secret. At the same time, they will lower the plinth to the Charité and their military doctors. Not comme il faut, after all laughing
    2. TriA
      TriA 3 September 2020 11: 03 New
      17
      Quote: Operator
      remember Anal - so it will be with every worked Western agent

      Oppositionists are themselves their Western masters and travan yes
  • Vladimir Mazanov
    Vladimir Mazanov 3 September 2020 06: 47 New
    12
    Now all forces are thrown into stopping the Nord Stream. The same happened with the shot dead ambassador in Turkey, to embroil the countries in order to postpone the commissioning of gas pipelines.
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 September 2020 07: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir Mazanov
      Now all forces are thrown into stopping the Nord Stream.

      Absolutely.
      The poisoning quarrels Germany and Russia; these two countries have a common project "Nord Stream", it is extremely dangerous for the United States and the outskirts, rules the poisoning of the CIA, executes the security service.
    2. TriA
      TriA 3 September 2020 11: 04 New
      19
      That's right, the states have one principle: "Nothing personal, just business." They are ready for anything for profit.
  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 3 September 2020 06: 49 New
    +6
    Whoever pays for Navalny calls the tune.
    1. TriA
      TriA 3 September 2020 11: 06 New
      16
      Quote: Guards turn
      Whoever pays for Navalny calls the tune.

      The ears of the State Department in this case are clearly visible.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 3 September 2020 06: 50 New
    +6
    This article is for those who are about * decency *, * culture * and other crap inherent in the Germans.
    Don't forget Dr. Gebels and his staff. They gave birth to offspring who no longer want to remember about responsibility. They broadcast for their * herd *. Just like the Nazis. And they do believe. There, in Europe, polls periodically take place, trying to find out how much the population is susceptible to suggestion. Surveys can help correct the bullshit.
    It is depressing that those who are in power in Europe also believe in their own superiority and other crap. BELIEVE that's what is amazing.
  • A.K.
    A.K. 3 September 2020 06: 54 New
    11
    Yes, all this is nonsense and 100% provocation. This is from a series of Skripals, Nemtsov, such servants of the West, as practice shows, are used for two times when needed. The question is that ours again share on trust in the West. It was clear right away when he got sick that they would raise a howl. It was necessary to leave him here to heal to open the eyes of a person, so to speak, for whom he works and what awaits him in the future. Like Lukashenka with his multi-vector approach.
    1. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 07: 29 New
      -5
      Are these Chechens servants of the West?
      1. A.K.
        A.K. 3 September 2020 10: 35 New
        0
        In my opinion, Chechens were not discussed.
        1. Mishanya 74
          Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 12: 00 New
          -2
          Yeah, I'm sorry, I read it a little wrong
          1. A.K.
            A.K. 3 September 2020 12: 36 New
            0
            Nothing wrong. Good luck.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 3 September 2020 07: 32 New
      -5
      So, apparently, he is not a tenant already, he has been in a coma for too long. If he had stayed with us, he would have died with us.
      1. Consul
        Consul 3 September 2020 11: 54 New
        19
        Quote: Herman 4223
        Would stay with us, and die with us

        Nope, we would have cured him and put him on his feet. So let him be better there in the west, maybe the Western special services will hound him again repeat .
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 3 September 2020 08: 19 New
      +4
      With Nemtsov, there was no need to throw people with illegal arms trade. There is pure crime, ordered by the Sumerians.
    4. TriA
      TriA 3 September 2020 11: 07 New
      19
      Quote: A.K.
      all this is nonsense and 100% provocation

      A unique provocation associated with the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 3 September 2020 06: 54 New
    -7
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    There are also comments with a balanced approach:

    The only question is, did the Russian government have a hand in this? I doubt that the Russian special services are so incapacitated that their poisonous substance was subsequently discovered beyond any doubt.

    Indeed, couldn’t they have done everything neatly, if the order for liquidation had been given, We could have done it so that the mosquito would not have undermined the nose.

    Could there have been a demonstrative action? To freeze the blood in the veins of Europeans. If it is so clearly possible with Navalny, then what can we say about other lesser-known exhibits.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 3 September 2020 09: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Sentry73
      Could there have been a demonstrative action? To freeze the blood in the veins of Europeans. If it is so clearly possible with Navalny, then what can we say about other lesser-known exhibits.

      Well naaa ...... WHY? Can you clearly explain in your own words why to defiantly hound Navalny? Well, at least someone would ask themselves a question. It is rightly said that the Internet dulls people, weaning them off thinking that they have scribbled some blokher in social networks or tutuba, then they carry it without thinking for themselves. Just recently, about three months ago, some Blocher was planted with drugs. There was a universal howl and hi, right according to Vysotsky, "there was a bark and barking." How did it end? This demon was acquitted, released, three generals and five colonels were stripped of their ranks and ended up in "civilian life", criminal proceedings were instituted against the operas. Do you think now in the system, it doesn't matter the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, there are people like Sudoplatov who are breastfeeding on the embrasure? Such people went into circulation a long time ago, back in the 90s, and if they had a conscience, then they all went to another world. Well, there are no fools in the system now for someone else's idea to substitute their head off. These are the bloggers themselves, go @ you, they took the initiative, decided to suck up the city administration. Nobody will go to "acute actions" now if it is not a recognized terrorist.
  • bukhach
    bukhach 3 September 2020 07: 02 New
    11
    Well, now sanctions and refusal of SP-2 are urgent, because how can enlightened Europe deal with barbarians who poison die-hard fighters by any kind and demand some kind of proof! Holy Baba Merkel told you in German, what else is needed !? All the leaders of the free world cry - so far !!! Still, they are db.bl. fool
  • w70
    w70 3 September 2020 07: 09 New
    +8
    Russia is a sovereign country and we can poison within ourselves whoever it wants and what it wants
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 07: 16 New
    10
    Bacon said at one time:
    slander, slander boldly, there will always be something left of slander

    The Europeans clearly do not forget his precepts :))))) The situation is deliberately absurd for accusing the Russian Federation, but a generally negative information background is being created, and nothing else is needed. It’s like in an old joke, "the spoons were found, but the sediment remained."
    1. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 07: 30 New
      -9
      What? Someone has already accused the Russian Federation?
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 07: 34 New
        +3
        Have you tried to read the article? :)
        1. Mishanya 74
          Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 07: 40 New
          -9
          Chital .. Well, so who else specifically accused the Russian authorities? Or is it just called to investigate?
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 07: 48 New
            +5
            Quote: Mishanya74
            Well, who specifically accused the Russian authorities?

            And why - "blame specifically" if you can pour slop, it seems, and "not specific", but the effect of this will be the same? It is stated that Navalny has been poisoned by a "novice" and that this is mean and bad, and that Russia does not need to hide the truth about this poisoning (that is, it is understood that it does hide). This is the creation of a negative information background, which I spoke about.
            1. Liam
              Liam 3 September 2020 08: 13 New
              -2
              Okay, the Germans ... don't know what they're doing.

              What is the official diagnosis of Russian doctors ... what happened to the patient? Poisoned, pancreatitis, hangover, heart attack ... what was there?
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 08: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Liam
                What is the official diagnosis of Russian doctors ... what happened to the patient?

                In fact, the diagnosis has never been made. At first, the working version was poisoning, but the tests did not confirm it - then the doctors decided that the coma was a consequence of metabolic disorders. However, it was no longer possible to check this - Navalny was taken to Germany
                1. Avior
                  Avior 3 September 2020 10: 15 New
                  +1
                  In fact, the diagnosis has never been made.

                  And this is a serious problem.
                  There was no problem to take additional tests before sending him to Germany, and after sending him to establish a diagnosis.
                  Metabolic disorders are a consequence, not a cause. This is not a diagnosis.
                  The problem is that there is no diagnosis from Omsk, besides the fact that the emergency doctors diagnosed him with poisoning. And the fact that the analyzes did not confirm this is not at all the same thing that they denied. It was necessary to continue searching for the reason.
                  hi
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 10: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    And this is a serious problem.

                    How can I say?
                    Quote: Avior
                    There was no problem to take additional tests before sending him to Germany, and after sending him to establish a diagnosis.

                    What's the point? Let's be honest - if they took pre-analyzes and then presented them to the world, then the world media would tell us that:
                    1) Vyfsevreti
                    2) On the thief and the hat is on fire - they say, the person became ill, he was being taken to a German clinic, and you took the tests from him that were not necessary for treatment for safety reasons.
                    That is, the very fact of taking such analyzes would be reproached to us, and their result would still not satisfy anyone.
                    Quote: Avior
                    Metabolic disorders are a consequence, not a cause. This is not a diagnosis.

                    I totally agree. But this is a completely ordinary situation - the doctor assumes one thing, orders tests for verification, but they do not confirm the original version. Then the doctor assumes something else - and, in theory, the next series of tests, if the bulk remained in the Russian Federation, would have to diagnose - for what reason there was a metabolic disorder (or maybe it was something completely different, who is now knows?)
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 3 September 2020 10: 45 New
                      +1
                      there would be results that could be presented to an independent laboratory.
                      However, I am sure that such analyzes remained in Omsk, they were probably taken before sending.
                      And why not present, one can only guess.
                2. Liam
                  Liam 3 September 2020 11: 02 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  In fact, the diagnosis has not been made

                  To be precise, the Russian doctors do not know him. The Germans know him about this and the government reported.

                  And since the government and the chancellor do not like to look like fools, especially since this story will have far-reaching consequences at all levels and the details of the analyzes will be presented to both Russia and NATO / EU partners and the Organization for the Non-Proliferation of Chemical Weapons, the evidence is concrete.
                  In order to refute such accusations, the Russian Federation will have to present not words, but the entire biomaterial taken from the patient and the details of the tests performed, if, of course, they are sure that they are right and have nothing to hide.
                  All other theories are empty words.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 11: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Liam
                    And since the government and the chancellor do not like to look like fools, especially since this story will have far-reaching consequences at all levels and the details of the analyzes will be presented to both Russia and NATO / EU partners

                    When they are presented, then there will be something to talk about. Meanwhile
                    Quote: Liam
                    All other theories are empty words.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 3 September 2020 11: 52 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      All other theories are empty words

                      However, you joined a line of convicts, looking for conspiracies and excuses the authorities, and reproaching the victim. This is somehow ugly
                      1. MMX
                        MMX 3 September 2020 12: 13 New
                        0
                        However, you joined a slender line of accusatory ...

                        Are you talking about the German authorities? Here they seemed to be thrown on the fan without presenting evidence, claiming the poisonous substances.
            2. Mishanya 74
              Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 08: 14 New
              -6
              Well, you are not bothered by the fact that * Navalny was poisoned by Novichok "and the Russian authorities don't give a damn about that?
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 08: 51 New
                +6
                Quote: Mishanya74
                Well, you are not bothered by the fact that * Navalny was poisoned by Novichok "and the Russian authorities don't give a damn about that?

                What do you mean - do not care? Once again, we read the article, together, since you yourself do not succeed
                The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation sent a request to Berlin to provide documentary evidence of Seibert's statements and what Navalny's analyzes were at the time of admission to the Charite clinic

                If there really was a combat warfare agent, what are the problems to give such confirmation? The analyzes that the Omsk doctors did do not contain anything like that. If the German tests gave such a thing and this is confirmed, a criminal case can be instituted on this matter.
                Or do you seriously think that it was Putin or someone in the government who ordered the poisoning of Navalny? One of the most useful politicians of our time for GDP?
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 3 September 2020 10: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Mishanya74
                Well, you are not bothered by the fact that * Navalny was poisoned by Novichok "and the Russian authorities don't give a damn about that?

                Well, turn on your brains! Remember Salisbury! There the house was covered with a dome, crawled on the lawn in special suits, the bench was burned, in the end the cat was killed, the bastards. A cat for che?!. And here is a solid plane, a bunch of doctors, a clinic in the center of Berlin, a police escort (without gas masks and special protection). Poisoning by "Novichok" and not a single decontamination measure, not a single protective special suit! Was there a boy (in the sense of "Newbie")? Or you can't do an elementary analysis of the situation. Although, why be surprised! Lyosha's followers, apart from social networks, do not read or see anything. For them there is no god, except for the West and Lesha Oval is his prophet. A quote from one minister should have followed here, but she is not allowed into a "decent" society.
                1. borberd
                  borberd 3 September 2020 10: 19 New
                  -1
                  And what does this prove? Do the doctors that, on the plane, they had to bring the entire airport where he drank tea? And then, with a clear conscience, close the streets and put on chemical protection?
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 3 September 2020 14: 26 New
                    0
                    Quote: borberd
                    And what does this prove? Do the doctors that, on the plane, they had to bring the entire airport where he drank tea? And then, with a clear conscience, close the streets and put on chemical protection?

                    Combat poisonous substance, to which the "Novichok" belongs, cannot in a confined space, which is the cabin of an aircraft, selectively poison one person, unless, of course, he is given an injection. As far as I know from the press, which two years ago described "Novichok", it turns into a gaseous state and should have spread throughout the aircraft cabin. All the passengers with the crew would have been amazed to varying degrees, but from the plane in the air, like from a submarine, there is nowhere to go. Everyone will get ... ... New gate. animals with horns, curly hair, a herd ...
                    1. borberd
                      borberd 3 September 2020 15: 57 New
                      0
                      He was in the hospital for a couple of days, where they did everything they had to do. He got on the plane on the 3rd day. It is not a plague or a coronavirus that spreads through the air after infection.
                      1. Captain45
                        Captain45 3 September 2020 16: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: borberd
                        He got on the plane on the 3rd day. It is not a plague or a coronavirus that spreads through the air after infection.

                        How did he get to Omsk? Did you come on foot? Or was he still taken off the plane in which he flew to Moscow? Was he alone on the plane or were there passengers and crew? I just want to quote a line from the movie "Seryozha": "Uncle Petya, you ....?"
                    2. Rebe haim
                      Rebe haim 3 September 2020 18: 59 New
                      0
                      A beginner is not the name of a specific substance, it is a group consisting of several dozen compounds. Some of them have a high vapor pressure, some have little or no evaporated liquid, some have solid substances (A-261, for example, does not pose a danger to others when taken orally).
              3. MMX
                MMX 3 September 2020 20: 41 New
                0
                Quote: Mishanya74
                Well, you are not bothered by the fact that * Navalny was poisoned by Novichok "and the Russian authorities don't give a damn about that?


                And some of the officials said that he was poisoned by "Novichok" ????????????????????
                Please link to the source.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Mishanya74
            Chital .. Well, so who else specifically accused the Russian authorities?

            The head of the Bundestag Foreign Policy Committee, Norbert Röttgen, said that the situation around Navalny goes beyond the borders of German-Russian relations and requires a single European tough response. "Literally everything needs to be revised," he stressed, naming, in particular, gas supplies and the refusal to complete the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.
            1. Mishanya 74
              Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 08: 36 New
              -8
              That's right .. When people in your country are poisoned with such poisons and you, instead of cooperating, pretend to be fools - why is it surprising that such an attitude will be ..
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 42 New
                +5
                firstly, let's not play the fool and bliss about the fact that BOV can act selectively ON ONE person
                secondly, why should the Russian Federation cooperate with anyone at all?
                1. Mishanya 74
                  Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 08: 46 New
                  -10
                  BOV can act on anyone depending on ..
                  Because this is BOV, as you rightly noted ..
                  If you didn’t persecute, it means that it is walking around the country uncontrollably.
                  If you do not control BOV then where is the guarantee that you control nuclear weapons for example?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 54 New
                    +4
                    BOV does not work for everyone, you confuse special equipment with COMBAT POISONING SUBSTANCE
                    now about uncontrollably, especially for housewives, firstly, if it was determined in a non-farm that this is a newcomer, then it means they HAVE them, and secondly, this is such rubbish that you can actually smuggle an ampoule with such rubbish unnoticed, for example, prod the form of an ampoule with vitamin B-1
                    but if you even crush a similar ampoule with bulk, then not only he will be infected
                    By the way, why do you think that this is a bvl RUSSIAN novice and not German or English?
                    1. Rebe haim
                      Rebe haim 3 September 2020 19: 07 New
                      +1
                      According to the 1997 Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, any poisoning of a person with the help of a nerve agent is considered the use of chemical weapons. The Toxic Agents Checklist is an annex to that Convention. At the time of the Skripal poisoning, the Novice group of drugs was absent from the list. Since June 2020, this group, with the consent of all members of the Convention (including Russia), has been added to the checklist.
                      1. MMX
                        MMX 3 September 2020 21: 01 New
                        +1
                        Not this way. RF abstained. But the introduction of newcomers was cut (taking into account the opinion of the Russian Federation), to three positions.
                        And not any application, namely those on the list.
                      2. Rebe haim
                        Rebe haim 3 September 2020 22: 04 New
                        +1
                        exactly those that are on the list

                        This is what I have in mind when I indicate below that the Newcomer group has been included in the OPCW's checklists.
                        You are also right about the position of the Russian Federation.
                2. bukhach
                  bukhach 3 September 2020 12: 38 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Mishanya74
                  BOV can act on anyone depending on ..
                  Because this is BOV, as you rightly noted ..
                  If you didn’t persecute, it means that it is walking around the country uncontrollably.
                  If you do not control BOV then where is the guarantee that you control nuclear weapons for example?

                  I admire your logic, bravo, this is a classic when such global conclusions are drawn from false premises, just now you stopped and did not fully formulate your fabrications (at one time very popular 20-25 years ago) about the need to establish international control over our nuclear arsenal “Would you walk, Mishan, in the forest. tongue
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 08: 53 New
              +6
              Quote: Mishanya74
              When people in your country are poisoned with such poisons

              Do not poison.
              Quote: Mishanya74
              and you instead of cooperating

              Tell us exactly who applied to the Russian Federation with a request for cooperation, and in what form the cooperation was required.
              Quote: Mishanya74
              what's surprising that such an attitude will be ..

              Actually there was a desire
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Literally everything needs to be revised, "he stressed, naming, in particular, gas supplies and the refusal to complete the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

              hence - mysticism about poisoning
              1. Mishanya 74
                Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 09: 32 New
                -5
                *** Tell us exactly who applied to the Russian Federation with a request for cooperation, and in what form cooperation was required ** "
                Just yesterday, Merkel called for an investigation into the incident with Navalny.
                What was the answer?
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2020 09: 44 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Mishanya74
                  Just yesterday, Merkel called for an investigation into the incident with Navalny.

                  A call to investigate something is not a request for cooperation.
                  Quote: Mishanya74
                  What was the answer?

                  The answer, as I have already indicated, was given by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation - it asked Germany to provide confirmed information about the poisoning.
                  If the Germans give us evidence that Navalny was poisoned by military agents, confirmed by something other than "I swear by my mother," then of course there should be an investigation. At the same time, the Germans should not have any problems with this at all - there is a biomaterial, its research, etc. etc.
                  If there is, of course :)))) But it is not
                2. Captain45
                  Captain45 3 September 2020 10: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mishanya74
                  Just yesterday, Merkel called for an investigation into the incident with Navalny.
                  What was the answer?

                  I urge you not to write nonsense! But you will not cooperate with me on this matter. laughing
          3. Mishanya 74
            Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 08: 37 New
            -12
            Today Navalny is on the plane Tomsk Moscow and tomorrow someone else is on the plane Moscow Berlin ..
            Their concern is quite clear ..
            Our grimace is unclear ..
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Mishanya74
              Today Navalny is on the plane Tomsk Moscow and tomorrow someone else is on the plane Moscow Berlin ..

              Apparently you are a housewife who has no idea about the consequences of the use of BOV, especially in a closed volume of an aircraft type, EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE CREW WOULD BE DIED and the plane would now be looking in the taiga
              1. Mishanya 74
                Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 09: 29 New
                -3
                There is a science called chemistry ..
                So, by adding various elements, you can change properties - volatility, durability, etc.
                But you probably don't know this ..
                You're not a housewife, are you?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 09: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mishanya74
                  There is a science called chemistry ..

                  describe the goals and objectives of the BOV
  • Singularist
    Singularist 3 September 2020 07: 25 New
    +2
    And soon there will be, or already are, articles in which Alyoshka dug something out there on the powerful, for which he was poisoned
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 3 September 2020 07: 28 New
    +1
    News about these type of positioners is always in the front pages of news.
    So people are introduced to them and their activities, anti-Russian propaganda. That's where, for example, they are now discussing that in Belarus there is a collection of signatures for a referendum on a union state? And it seems like they managed to collect 100 of them. But about Tikhanovskaya from all the cracks rushing.
    There is no domestic media!
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 3 September 2020 07: 42 New
    +2
    The funny thing is for people like Navalny, there are a lot of interested parties who benefit from their death. It is possible to bait on the sly and for some it is a sacred sacrifice, for others it is an eliminated competitor in the field, for others it is one less stinker.
  • unhappy
    unhappy 3 September 2020 07: 45 New
    0
    The dullness is off scale.
    Just the first question - who benefits from it? To release the allegedly poisoned person abroad so that his curators start throwing mud at Russia? Russia needed it, are there such stupid analysts and management? This is no longer insanity ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: unhappy
      That was necessary for Russia, there are such stupid analysts and management? This is no longer insanity ...

      one might think in all other scandals it was different, there is a fuss in the press after - sanctions
      there are no arguments at the level of the patient from Durkee but it works flawlessly
  • Dim61
    Dim61 3 September 2020 07: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Civil
    one can only guess how this group is connected with the West.

    What is there to guess? This group is fully funded by the West. And it should be noted that with a rather fat funding, you just have to look at Navalny's colleague, citizen Sobol. The lady graduated from the institute in 2011 and in the same year was included in the Forbes list! Not so weak, right? And the other day, she announced on Twitter that 34 million rubles were recovered from her at Prigozhin's claim. For 9 years of work, the girl has collected so much money? Almost 3,8 lems per year of net income ....
    1. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 08: 55 New
      -2
      If you wanted to understand and did a little research, you would see that the collection looks like this ..
      You are credited with * -34 million * and hello ..
      That is, 34 million as such were not
      1. Dim61
        Dim61 3 September 2020 09: 15 New
        +1
        What is the point of driving an empty account into wild minuses? Can you also say that there was no account at all?
        1. Mishanya 74
          Mishanya 74 3 September 2020 09: 26 New
          -3
          The idea is that all the money that comes in - salary, for example ... goes to pay off the debt ..
          An acquaintance of mine flew in like that ..
          He was a surety with his brother ..
          Somehow I went to eat at work but it doesn’t work. I checked the balance and there was -5 lamas ..
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 3 September 2020 07: 47 New
    +7
    The circus with sisyan began to play with new "colors". Who invented such a bad Newbie? Scold, demote!
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 3 September 2020 07: 50 New
    +9
    Here's what an interesting thing comes out. In the case of Efremov, it is not clear who is to blame, despite the presence of video, witnesses and expert examinations. And in the Navalny case, it is absolutely clear who is to blame despite the lack of video, witnesses and expert examinations.
    Paradox, not otherwise!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 September 2020 07: 51 New
    0
    "hedgehog" and so long dead ... for our reality, for sure! They will stir up the last big stinking heap and cover it with their inhabitant .... because it is useless on us, the "breeze" has already blown in the other direction.
    To spit and forget, this is an inevitable EVIL, as well as sanctions, the yapping of under-fence mongrels and so on, so on ...
    We have something to do specifically, for the benefit of ourselves.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 3 September 2020 07: 51 New
    +2
    The comments of laypeople, non-specialists in the matter, including Merkel, are not difficult to understand and forgive. I would like to find the comments of experts who are trying to understand the essence of the problem in order to discuss. My attention was attracted by the publication of Uglev, who positions himself as the developer of the "newbie". He believes that the only way to safely and secretly inject poison into Navalny's body is to apply an aqueous solution of poison to clothes so that the poison gradually penetrates the skin, the so-called resorptive effect. This is described in all textbooks on BOV. But how does he imagine it. We immediately dismiss that the poison was applied the day before, because then its effect would have happened at night. The usual lag for FOV is 2-4 hours. ... Someone sneaked into the room at night and applied the solution to the shirt. Firstly, this someone must be wearing gloves, and not household ones, but those in OP-1. But the hotel has video surveillance. And if someone turned it off in order to sneak in, then the omnipresent would immediately find out and trumpet it. So is it a wife or girlfriend? I wouldn't believe Lady Macbeth to advise her to wear a poisoned shirt. Further, Uglev claims that the clinical symptoms of OPP poisoning and what actually happened are due to the fact that clonidine was mixed in. Well, this is absolutely at the level of "gangster St. Petersburg". If they did, it wouldn't wake him up. I personally do not understand why they are not discussing whether Navalny had pupil constriction, because any RBHZ sergeant will tell you that a "white eye" indicates NPG poisoning, then atropine is immediately injected. But atropine was not injected immediately, but after delivery to the clinic, most likely in order to enter into a drug-induced coma, And if you saw a "white eye". In general, the story is muddy.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 3 September 2020 07: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      The comments of laypeople, non-specialists in the matter, including Merkel, are not difficult to understand and forgive. I wanted to find comments from experts

      Do you seriously think that this theater of the absurd was arranged with the aim of then in the same West to listen to the comments of experts? Oh, that's enough ... There is a typical primitive line - "the oppositionist-against Putin-fell into a coma-poison-Novice-sanctions". All. And even if experts-chemists now speak, their comments will be allowed in the "forest", because they will not fit into the chosen scenario.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 3 September 2020 08: 28 New
        +1
        Alexei! Nope, I understand about the theater of the absurd. Just as a person who once passed an exam in chemical warfare agents, I am interested in the plot of a detective novel, that is, how it could happen, and at the same time, by virtue of my ideas about the subject, to break slanderous fabrications. And that sanctions are not far off - that's for sure.
      2. Victorio
        Victorio 3 September 2020 08: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Volodin
        There is a typical primitive line - "the oppositionist-against Putin-fell into a coma-poison-Novice-sanctions". All. And even if expert chemists now speak, then their comments will be allowed in the "forest", because they will not fit into the chosen scenario.

        ===
        something like that was with the downed Boeing
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 3 September 2020 08: 32 New
      +2
      Let's start with the fact that FOV practically does not dissolve in water, the time of the damaging effect, before the onset of paralysis and death, for VX, for example, at a dose of 35 mlg, 10-15 minutes, and not hours. And when applied to clothing, with a resistance time for FOV from 12 to 30 hours, it would poison a bunch of people. Remember brother Kim Jong-un, he did not live for 10 minutes after VX, and FOV has a skin-resorptive effect faster than oral.
      All this nonsense with a Novice, for adequate health professionals, a horse-drawn circus
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 3 September 2020 08: 38 New
        +1
        Andrew! In addition, FOV, at least the ones that we passed smell. True, when it came to VX, Comrade Major squinted so slyly and jokingly spoke, but with VX this is unknown, because sniffing is deadly. As for the "newbie", we did not pass it. But I saw the formula, I didn't see any chances of becoming more soluble. There is a variant of an emulsion, or a very low concentration solution.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 3 September 2020 08: 58 New
          +2
          With the Novice, Lct is even less, 5-7mg, this is the lowest concentration that kills, and the exposure time is comparable. Then it must be transferred to a combat state from crystalline to liquid, and this is heating and an aliphatic solvent, well, one cannot be led to such nonsense. An emulsion or aerosol, with a concentration of less than 1 mlg, so that the client does not die and the danger of poisoning a bunch of people? Hand face. Good old cyanide in the same gulls is more reliable, with a 100% guarantee of elimination.
          All this is a well-played performance, for the political goals of the interested parties
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 3 September 2020 09: 35 New
        +2
        Andrei! By the way, about the time of stability. You wrote 12-30 hours. In physiological conditions, even less. It turns out that the Germans made their conclusion without detecting the OPA itself, but its metabolite. The question arises about an analysis tool. Most likely it is liquid chromatomass. The sample itself was inevitably pretreated with solid-phase extraction - this is a routine. To see something related to FOV metabolites in this heap of peaks, if it is not known what kind of FOV the client is poisoned with, I don’t know, I don’t know. What could they see there to be sure? It looks like an essay on a given topic.
    3. MMX
      MMX 3 September 2020 12: 20 New
      0
      There was a version, like, about the application of chemical agents to Navalny's underwear. But here it gets even more interesting ...
      On the good, on the basis of information about the crime in the media, in response, ours should, within the framework of the initiation of a case or pre-investigation check, interrogate all those accompanying and those around them. That is, they must collect all materials (photos, videos) hourly (in the last couple of days exactly) and submit.
    4. Rebe haim
      Rebe haim 3 September 2020 14: 21 New
      0
      any RBKhZ sergeant will tell you that a "white eye" indicates NPG poisoning

      If it does not bother you, then please clarify what you mean by the phrase "white eye"?
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 3 September 2020 15: 20 New
        0
        Pupil constriction is an express and unmistakable sign of poisoned agents of neuroparalytic action. The word combination "white eye" is jargon - servicemen of the RBKhZ troops take a course on the subject of their service, in which they are taught, among other things, the subject of interest.
        1. Rebe haim
          Rebe haim 3 September 2020 15: 48 New
          +2
          Thank you for your reply. Quite a specific jargon, since miosis "white eye", let's say, does not strongly resemble. In the late 80s - early 90s, I often had to deal with FOS poisoning, so this is not only theoretical knowledge, but also experience from personal practice.

          "Pupil constriction is an express and unmistakable sign of poisoned agents of neuroparalytic action."

          In combat conditions and with a high likelihood of using OF - this is possible. But not in "civilians": bilateral miosis can be caused by any substance with a cholinomimetic effect (the alkaloid muscarine, not being an FOS, has the same effect). However, the therapy both at the prehospital stage and in the hospital will be almost identical.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 3 September 2020 07: 55 New
    +4
    Swan song of item 2 ...
    This is another good example of how the West deals with waste material.
  • 2112vda
    2112vda 3 September 2020 08: 06 New
    0
    Quote: figvam
    made by the intelligence services of the neighboring state.

    Here it is necessary to expand the definition of "neighboring states". It just so happened historically that the representatives of these states, namely the republics of the "non-Baltic states", Western Ukraine and Poland were in exile in those parts where the bulk was "trawled". It is highly likely that the secret services of these countries of the litmitrophes left their "sleeping agents" until the right time. The hour struck, "the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave." The main "bull" of the planet decided that the spent material in the face of bulk can be used with greater benefit in this situation. They gave the command to face their sixes, they "woke up" their agents and Lesha ate the roofing felts, or sniffed the roofing felts with his bare ass, sat down on the poisoned push. The fact that the bulk was sent to the "Charite" is not a mistake, there is such a technique in agronomy as "provocation for shoots". In this situation, a similar technique was used, the main thing is to identify who will flicker. So we stock up on seeds, popcorn, beer and wait for the next act of the "Marlezon ballet". True, everything is monotonous, here as our guarantor says: "Boring, girls."
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 3 September 2020 08: 06 New
    +2
    We are waiting for the US elections !!! Trump wins - Navalny will come out of a coma and live, and if Biden wins - Navalny will be in a coma until the problem with SP-2 is resolved ... But what about the Germans? The Germans, unlike the Russians, are not capable of creating a "partisan movement" against the American invaders ...
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 3 September 2020 08: 08 New
    -5
    Did the Russian government have a hand in this?

    Do you still have doubts?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 08 New
    +3
    the next stage is Germany's refusal from SP-2
    and apparently this was the reason for the dancing around bulk
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 September 2020 08: 21 New
    +1
    Let the Germans find out the role of their government in this provocation, and the Russian government didn’t give up to hell.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 3 September 2020 08: 21 New
    +1
    From this whole story, one thing is not clear - do we have special services in our country or only fans to ride geliks? Was it really not clear that Navalny was dangerous abroad in any condition. If this poisoning was done in our country by Western "partners" with the aim of discrediting Russia and banning the SP-2, then why haven't the executors been found so far? If this was done within the framework of the struggle of different groups within the country, then why the executors were not found? There are many more questions than answers ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2020 08: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Moskovit
      Was it really not clear that Navalny was dangerous abroad in any condition.

      but there is no difference, the result would be the same here
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 September 2020 08: 23 New
    +4
    Previously, at least the UN was shaking with washing powder, but now they can't even come up with anything new, they pick up, according to the announcement ...
  • jeka424
    jeka424 3 September 2020 08: 25 New
    0
    Maybe they poisoned, but it is not known who, it is beneficial for someone to denigrate the other, or someone crossed the road
    1. Dim61
      Dim61 3 September 2020 09: 10 New
      +1
      It would have been necessary to poison, they would have done so that he grunted during transportation to Germany, while without any trace. The indicators would fall sharply and hello - the German doctors did not follow, they lost the beacon of Russian changes.
      1. jeka424
        jeka424 3 September 2020 09: 14 New
        +1
        maybe the Germans and poisoned for kipish
        1. Dim61
          Dim61 3 September 2020 09: 17 New
          0
          We will see what they will present in confirmation.
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  • kebeskin
    kebeskin 3 September 2020 08: 35 New
    +2
    - We poisoned Navalny as a newcomer, we are waiting for it to be reclined. What are the instructions?
    - And send it to the Germans, let them find a newcomer and then accuse us.
    - Great plan.
    - I don't see any flaws.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 3 September 2020 09: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: kebeskin
      - We poisoned Navalny as a newcomer, we are waiting for it to be reclined. What are the instructions?
      - And send it to the Germans, let them find a newcomer and then accuse us.
      - Great plan.
      - I don't see any flaws.

      ===
      is your authorship? new anecdote!
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 3 September 2020 08: 41 New
    0
    All gay-European hypocrites voice only one version: they poisoned Razvalny with a newcomer, whom Putin personally dripped into tea. But a reasonable person understands that the poor fellow Otralny, if it was necessary, could be locked up in a pre-trial detention center for the cases that were brought against him, and there in a dream he fell from the box with his head on the "oak" (table) ... and yeah. .. And it is clear that the poisoned one is most suitable for "fighters against the regime" - to portray the victim. And that's how much stench because of one nasty little man.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 September 2020 09: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander X
      All gay-European hypocrites voice only one version: they poisoned Razvalny with a newcomer, whom Putin personally dripped into tea. But a reasonable person understands that the poor fellow Otralny, if it was necessary, could be locked up in a pre-trial detention center for the cases that were brought against him, and there in a dream he fell from the box with his head on the "oak" (table) ... and yeah. .. And it is clear that the poisoned one is most suitable for "fighters against the regime" - to portray the victim. And that's how much stench because of one nasty little man.


      Exactly
  • engineer74
    engineer74 3 September 2020 08: 48 New
    +2
    I demand an independent investigation: Who created this dichlorvos under the BOV budget ???
    To bring the perpetrators to financial responsibility and within a month to oblige to provide a "Novice" with characteristics corresponding to those. mission for BOV! angry
    With the Skripals and Navalny, the question is secondary. wink
    IMHO
  • Hto tama
    Hto tama 3 September 2020 08: 59 New
    +2
    Well, thank God "newbie", but the same fighters shouted that they had poisoned wassat , oh Lyokha-Lyokha, and you are destined to disgracefully disappear, but you could still frolic, well, you would pay fines and walk on, and now a change in appearance, gender and distant New Zealand, and I warned (comment of August 22) that the second cat Skripals most likely somewhere in Germany yes laughing
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 3 September 2020 09: 38 New
      0
      Quote: hto tama
      Well, thank God "newbie", but the same fighters shouted that they had poisoned wassat , oh Lyokha-Lyokha, and you are destined to disgracefully disappear, but you could still frolic, well, you would pay fines and walk on, and now a change in appearance, gender and distant New Zealand, and I warned (comment of August 22) that the second cat Skripals most likely somewhere in Germany yes laughing

      ===
      also an option, a new and calm life, somewhere in the south, and not in the dank and evil north. earned a pension. after all, nothing shone in the next certain number of years.
  • Fresh
    Fresh 3 September 2020 09: 04 New
    -4
    Let's go from the opposite, but what if it's true? If there really is a variation on "Newbie"? If it was not foreign partners that really poisoned, but their own special services? Yes, a lot doesn't add up, but what if?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 September 2020 09: 10 New
      +1
      What is this specialty from which clients do not die in a couple of minutes? This is all designed for an absolutely unaccustomed to thinking, a European
  • Dimon71
    Dimon71 3 September 2020 09: 04 New
    +1
    Yesterday Dr. Sosnovsky had an interesting thought: was Navalny in a German clinic at all. Or this whole performance with a motorcade was just overlapping !!!!
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 3 September 2020 09: 08 New
    +1
    Clownery.
    The most adequate comment in the text is about the connection between the SP-2 and the pseudo-assault on Navalny.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 3 September 2020 09: 11 New
    0
    Analyzes in the studio. I think the Americans tried to kill him. Only Nemtsov was stupidly shot, and then they decided to add some water, as with the Skripals ..
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 3 September 2020 09: 14 New
    +2
    Poisoning is beneficial to the global media. Articles, ratings, advertising.
    And longer to keep him biologically alive for the swing: "Alexei felt better - worse - he whispered something ..."
    Why is this version not being considered?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 3 September 2020 09: 14 New
    +2
    I didn’t even read. There was only one essence, it was necessary to lead on the trail of the authorities into the poisoning of Navalny. Therefore, he does not drown, he is not hit by a car, he does not fall out of the window, he is being poisoned! So that the traces could be fixed, and to link them with the Russian media business!
  • Victorio
    Victorio 3 September 2020 09: 26 New
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    Honestly work off the investment in it. wink There will be no answer from him to inconvenient questions. Again, a method.

    ===
    may be wrong and correct)
  • askort154
    askort154 3 September 2020 09: 43 New
    +4
    Britain also called on Russia to tell the truth. And the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen called the situation with the Russian oppositionist a mean and cowardly act.

    Another episode of the Western series - "Russia the Aggressor":
    1 series - "the Magnitsky case",
    2 series - "the Litvinenko case",
    Series 3 - "the Khodorkovsky case"
    Episode 4 - "little green men in the Crimea"
    5 series - "the case of flight MH-17",
    6 series - "the case of the Skripals",
    7 series - "case of SP-2",
    8 series - "Navalny's case".
    Scripts for further episodes, an endless series in development.
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 3 September 2020 12: 51 New
      0
      They would live boringly without Russia, sadly, without a spark, and how cheerfully, bravely barking, demonstrating steepness in front of each other. It's a pity that darling McCain gave an oak tree, otherwise today they would all be Navalny.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 3 September 2020 10: 13 New
    +2
    I already got this Navalny. Next time, take an ice ax, or a piece of pipe. The result is guaranteed. They fired at Nemtsov, specifically, effectively. Well, they shouted all sorts of different for three or four months and shut up, as there was no Boriska. Well, Malakhov dragged him to the screen for another month of his mistresses and that's it. Who now remembers who Nemtsov is, the acre of Gozman-Roizmanov?
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 3 September 2020 10: 46 New
    +1
    I did not understand at all, but what is Navalny a citizen of Germany? Why was the ambassador summoned? Well, they began to treat the fool, well, treat!
  • 1536
    1536 3 September 2020 11: 21 New
    +1
    Miracles and nothing more. A citizen of Russia is rescued in Russia first by our wonderful pilots, then by doctors, real professionals, far from politics and the lies that are characteristic of it. After that, the citizen of Russia for reasons incomprehensible to anyone is transported to Germany, the worst enemy of our country, most likely, moreover, whose people have been dreaming of revenge for a long time (assumption). In this Germany, to everyone's surprise, it turns out that a Russian citizen has been poisoned, most likely, with a nerve gas (!) Or an "antidote" from it. So where, one wonders, he was poisoned, if not on the territory of the same Germany? The question is rhetorical, but arising from the logic of events.
    The conclusion suggests itself: the Germans committed another provocation, possibly equal in value to the provocation in Gleiwitz (SS operation "Canned food" in 1939) and with an attempt on the life of a citizen of a foreign country, or, simply, this is an information attack of the Germans on Russia , an actual attack without a declaration of war, that is, an actual deception of the people of the whole world.
    In any case, the Germans act as an aggressor and provocateur. What's again?!
  • 3-e-09
    3-e-09 3 September 2020 12: 11 New
    -4
    I think this: since the Omsk doctors did not find traces of the toxic substances, it means that all suspicions fall on those who found them. Is it logical? Therefore, now Russia is obliged to demand a response from Germany, on the basis of which they poisoned Navalny!
  • iouris
    iouris 3 September 2020 12: 14 New
    0
    One gets the impression that there are already more than one "Russian government". But what the "German government" "applied" is already a medical fact.