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The final solution to the issue: Ukrainian schools abandoned the Russian language

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Source: osnmedia.ru


Only in Ukrainian mov


Many believe that история oppression of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine began in September 2017, when the Verkhovna Rada passed a law on education containing a scandalous ban on Russian in schools. However, back in 1997, the Cabinet of Ministers adopted Resolution No. 998 "On the Approval of Comprehensive Measures for the General Development and Functioning of the Ukrainian Language", directly aimed at ousting the Russian language from many spheres of public life in Ukraine. It was this law that launched the beginning of the liquidation of Russian schools and preschool institutions. In 2005, the de-Russification of the country for the first time crossed all borders: the list of laws containing discriminatory norms regarding the Russian language in Ukraine amounted to 78 items! And this is not counting decrees, orders, decrees and other documents of the president and government. 12 years have passed, and in 2017, the deputies finally took up school, stretching the processes of de-Russification of the younger generation by only three years. Initially, the language of the "aggressor" was left only up to grade 4, and from September 1, 2020, it finally disappeared from the school curriculum. For three years, teachers have gone through retraining courses so as not to seriously injure children by abruptly transferring lessons to Ukrainian language and as gently as possible to increase the share of the language to the senior classes. As a result, a couple of years ago by grade 11, up to 80% of all subjects were taught in Ukrainian.


Source: russkiymir.ru

Svetlana Matis, director of the Lviv school # 52, described the transition to the only state language as follows:

For several years now, in Russian-speaking classes, we have been practicing teaching all subjects in Ukrainian three times a week ... We were ready for this innovation, a few years ago we began to recruit Ukrainian-speaking classes. All classes were formed at the request of parents: if you want children to study in Russian, please, if in Ukrainian, too. But now there are no requests for the creation of Russian-language classes at all.

In kindergartens, everyone speaks Ukrainian, in universities the same linguistic situation. Why should we leave Russian in schools? Hungarian and Romanian languages ​​were also removed under the new law, but Tatar remained at school. The lawmakers have made it clear who is an original Ukrainian and who is an unwanted speaker of foreign languages. Romania tried to challenge Kiev's decisions in European instances, but the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe only expressed its concern. The Hungarian Foreign Ministry was blunt:

Ukraine stabbed Hungary in the back when it amended its education law that severely violates the rights of the Hungarian minority. It is shameful that a country that seeks to develop ever closer relations with the European Union has made a decision that is in complete opposition to European values. It is unacceptable that Ukraine has deprived Hungarians of their right to receive education in their native language at schools and universities and left them this opportunity only in kindergartens and primary schools. "

It should be noted that three years ago at least 150 thousand ethnic Hungarians lived in Ukraine. The PACE's doubts and the indignation of Budapest were related to the lack of balance between the state language and the rights of national minorities. But Ukraine, playing the card of a country wounded by Russian aggression, chose to ignore European concerns. The enlightened West forgave Kiev.


Source: i.obozrevatel.com

Generally speaking, it is at least unfair to speak of Russian-speakers as national minorities. The latest all-Ukrainian population census revealed a third of citizens claiming that Russian is their native language. At the same time, Ukrainian sociologists say that about 88% of Greeks living in Ukraine, 83% of Jews, 64% of Germans, 62% of Belarusians, 58% of Tatars, 54,4% of Georgians and 14% of Ukrainians speak Russian. The introduction of a complete ban on the teaching of the Russian language in schools looks in this regard as discrimination against several nationalities. By September 2020, no more than 150 Russian-language schools remained in Ukraine: in Kharkiv, Zaporozhye, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions. With the beginning of the new school year, they were also outlawed.

German variant


There is also an alternative point of view on the problem of Russophobia in our western neighbor. According to Deutsche Welle, not everything is so bad with teaching Russian in Ukrainian schools. In particular, now this language can be chosen as an optional language, that is, its share in the school will be vanishingly small. Moreover, such fundamental subjects as mathematics, physics and chemistry will be taught exclusively in Ukrainian language. In order to simply adapt to the new realities of academic disciplines, the teachers themselves had to retrain for more than one month. For example, school mathematics in Ukrainian requires specific knowledge of the language, which not all of the country's adult population can boast of. All that remains is to sympathize with the schoolchildren, all of whom are Russian-speaking at home, and within the walls of their native school, filigree knowledge of Ukrainian is required. In pursuit of mythical national self-determination and independence, the Ukrainian authorities have seriously complicated the life of a considerable part of schoolchildren. And in the future, such dropouts will become part of society with all the ensuing consequences. However, it is quite possible that the Verkhovna Rada had much worse motives for the 2017 school reform. For example, to create serious social barriers for the Russian-speaking population, forcing them to descend to the lower strata of society, that is, to work, at best, as guest workers. The most initiative will leave for Russia, and the rest will simply die out in a few years. Something similar was already observed in one European country in the 30-40s of the last century. After such severe language restrictions, Kiev's dreams of a historic reunification with the eastern regions of the country, where most of the population speaks Russian, look strange. And, finally, the financial possibilities of Ukraine regarding the payment of such a large-scale anti-Russian revolution in school education look very doubtful - after all, all pedagogy will have to be transferred to MOV.

Functionaries from Ukraine's nationalist pedagogy should learn from their enlightened European neighbors. While schools in Kiev prohibit the language spoken by about a third of the population, in Germany, the study of the native languages ​​of the Lusatian Serbs and Frisians is being discussed. For comparison: in the 80-million-strong FRG there are only 60 thousand inhabitants of the Republic of Germany, and the Frisians - 20 thousand! And the European Union is seriously concerned about the problem of preserving the language of these national minorities, which is blamed on the FRG. However, the openly discrediting policy of Ukraine in relation to the Russian language has already ceased to worry anyone in Europe. The main factor in this condescension is hostility towards Russia. The mentioned Deutsche Welle very mildly describes the critical situation with the Russian language in Ukraine. The leitmotif is this: Russia's "occupation" policy has triggered such actions by Kiev.


Source: golos.ua

In fact, Ukraine was both a bilingual country and remains at the present time. To do this, it is enough to look at the country's media space to appreciate the high proportion of Russian speakers. Actually, those broadcasting exclusively in Ukrainian language run the risk of remaining small-town values. Without the Russian language, it is very difficult both in Ukraine and in neighboring states to monetize their talents. In the economic sphere, many ties with Russia by Ukrainians have long been severed and the Russian language is not so critical here, but there remains a partner Belarus, with which one has to speak far from Ukrainian. In pursuit of momentary successes, the leaders from Kiev are embarking on the shaky ground of nationalism, which may not be strong enough to extinguish in the future.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 3 September 2020 15: 04 New
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    For example, to create serious social barriers for the Russian-speaking population, forcing them to descend to the lower strata of society, that is, to work, at best, as guest workers. The most initiative will leave for Russia, and the rest will simply die out in a few years.
    Genocide on the sly?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 September 2020 15: 09 New
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      The final solution to the issue: Ukrainian schools abandoned the Russian language

      Quote: Lesovik
      Genocide on the sly?


      The schools did not refuse, they were forced to refuse.

      Someone in their right mind will believe that in the front-line Avdiivka occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazi Battalions, the Russian-speakers voluntarily renounced their native language?

      Really - genocide.

      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 3 September 2020 16: 57 New
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        ПОЛНОСТЬЮ согласен с "Инсургентом": The schools did not refuse, they were forced to refuse.!!! In my RUSSIAN city of Novorossia, where almost everyone communicates in RUSSIAN, teachers are FORCED to communicate with students at school in MOV, and at home, in everyday life, EVERYONE speaks RUSSIAN! And everyone is looking forward to the end of this madness.

        And the title of the article is deceitful and provocative. Although the text itself is correct, there are some inaccuracies.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 4 September 2020 14: 06 New
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          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          And everyone is looking forward to the end of this madness.
          This joke never gets old ...
    2. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 15: 11 New
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      Новость для вас?Почитайте на досуге Олега Яловенко: "Как исчезли русины и как Галиция превратилась в центр украинского шовинизма"..Ничего смешного...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 September 2020 15: 17 New
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        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        Новость для вас?Почитайте на досуге Олега Яловенко: "Как исчезли русины и как Галиция превратилась в центр украинского шовинизма"..

        Мне это зачем ? Я и без этого осознаю что творится в этой "новейшей истории Окраины"...
        Fortunately, in the 14th WE got away from it.
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 15: 23 New
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          It was addressed to Lesovik, but thanks for your answer, I hope that it will not come to that in Donbass ..
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 3 September 2020 15: 26 New
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            Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
            It was addressed to Lesovik, but thanks for your answer, I hope that it will not come to that in Donbass ..

            Sorry, the notification came in response to my comment.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 3 September 2020 15: 39 New
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              Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
              It was addressed to Lesovik, but thanks for your answer, I hope that it will not come to that in Donbass ..

              Should complete the answer.

              Avdeevka, Mariupol, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, this is Donbass - and THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED THERE.
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              2. roll
                roll Today, 20: 48 New
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                Империя требует жертв... Не на украинском говорило большинство тех, кто убивал и умирал, чтобы остановить расширение границ великой и прекрасной россии...:))))
        2. boni592807
          boni592807 5 September 2020 19: 16 New
          +1
          Insurgent, 3 September 2020 15:17, NEW
          ЦItata: Ragnar Lothbrok
          Новость для вас?Почитайте на досуге Олега Яловенко: "Как исчезли русины и как Галиция превратилась в центр украинского шовинизма"..

          Мне это зачем ? Я и без этого осознаю что творится в этой "новейшей истории Окраины"...
          Fortunately, in the 14th we left this


          Ушли, это тогда когда "тему" закрыли и забыли. А так, янычар будут готовить. А куда они пойдут после "школы" ...
          But the fact that..." почитайте Олега Яловенко: "Как исчезли русины и как Галиция превратилась в центр украинского шовинизма"..Ничего смешного..." Look at the map of Europe, eastern Germany, Prussia and further to Russia, mostly Slavs lived. What now?! Кто уничтожен, а кто на территории нынешней Германии ассимилирован по той же схеме, что и на У"краине. Остальные "перевоспитаны" примеры : Польша, хорваты и .... вспомним кто и как участвовал и на чьей стороне - Наполеон, 2 МВ... Так, что коллега, никто никуда от проблеммы не ушел, она ещё бабахнет ...Партнёры позаботятся, это Им всяк дешеле, чем свои головы в огонь совать...
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 3 September 2020 15: 47 New
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      Quote: Lesovik
      Genocide on the sly?

      This is not genocide, but something worse. Namely, a manifestation of Nazism. Ukraine for Ukrainians. Doesn't remind anything, no?
      Such regimes must be destroyed at the very root, and indicatively, so that others will not be familiar. Why don't we call things by their proper names, playing at cheap political correctness? There is a Fascist regime in Ukraine, as well as in almost all EU countries. Why and who is the master of Europe? Who promotes the ideas of terror, Nazism, fascism, wars in the world and who finances it? Aren't European countries sponsoring terrorism at the instigation of the United States?
      1. roll
        roll Today, 20: 51 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        ФАШИСТСКИЙ РЕЖИМ,равно как и практически во всех странах ЕС

        Борьба с рептилоидами. Смотрите телевизор не более 12-14 часов в день... А то без соловьиного помета жить потом не сможете...
    4. Vend
      Vend 3 September 2020 16: 35 New
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      Quote: Lesovik
      For example, to create serious social barriers for the Russian-speaking population, forcing them to descend to the lower strata of society, that is, to work, at best, as guest workers. The most initiative will leave for Russia, and the rest will simply die out in a few years.
      Genocide on the sly?

      Why is civilized Europe and Russian liberals silent? Where is the condemnation? Where is the massive flash mob? Where is the demonstration at the Ukrainian embassy?
    5. Vsevolod Sidorov
      Vsevolod Sidorov 3 September 2020 16: 36 New
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      The paradox is that they will also genocide themselves, besides the Jewish component of the Ukrainian nation, which does not care in what language the loot is spoken. And the Ukrainian language is an extremely archaic language of a village inhabitant of the late 19th century. They want to go to medieval Europe, that's the language for medieval Europe at the very same time.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 September 2020 18: 57 New
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        Quote: Vsevolod Sidorov
        The paradox is that they will also genocide themselves, besides the Jewish component of the Ukrainian nation, which does not care in what language the loot is spoken. And the Ukrainian language is an extremely archaic language of a village inhabitant of the late 19th century. They want to go to medieval Europe, that's the language for medieval Europe at the very same time.

        I apologize wildly from the entire Jewish people, but how can we try to loot - we can only learn from Russians and Ukrainians laughing Making money is another thing, but building any tender for your own sake for a kickback, allocating money for cutting with a specialist, stealing insolently under the employer's nose and being able to sell to the left what the average Jew simply won't think of is a talent hi
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 3 September 2020 22: 31 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          I apologize wildly from the entire Jewish people, but how can we try to loot - we can only learn from Russians and Ukrainians

          Another nazi-nedo .... drew ... Nothing you learn from history. What are you all drawn to national generalizations? They seem to have suffered from Hitler, and everyone is trying to follow his path. negative
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 September 2020 22: 45 New
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            What have I got to do with it? laughing The gentleman under the nickname Sidorov says
            that they will also genocide themselves, except for the Jewish component of the Ukrainian nation, which does not care in what language the loot is spoken.
            ... And I, expressing admiration for the abilities of the titular nations of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, on the contrary, write that we, Jews, are untermensch in this regard fellow Where is Nazism here - just the lowest worship of super-talents and the awareness of their inferiority in comparison with the great ... repeat
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 3 September 2020 23: 18 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              What have I got to do with it?

              Generalization along ethnic lines ultimately leads to genocide.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 September 2020 23: 24 New
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                that they will also genocide themselves, except for the Jewish component of the Ukrainian nation, which does not care in what language the loot is spoken.

                Explain to this gentleman, I myself know that 2x2 = 4, the Volga flows into the Caspian Sea, all people are different and everything like that yes
                1. anykin
                  anykin 4 September 2020 18: 08 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Explain to this gentleman, I myself know

                  And it's not destiny to explain it yourself, the habit of driving a wave?
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 4 September 2020 18: 11 New
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                    Just lie that it’s a habit to bring the brow to the mirror, neatly, under the elbow wink
                    1. anykin
                      anykin 4 September 2020 18: 29 New
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                      Only you did not reproach the chela, but nationality. He brought him to the mirror, and reflected himself. Not productive.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 September 2020 18: 55 New
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                        How did you yourself reflect? I always tell everyone - workers, friends and others: stealing is not profitable. A) Reputation B) It will be more expensive to get away with it than everything that you stole. C) Work honestly - more money will come out as a result thanks to reputation and lower costs. But they don’t believe me - they say you’re not Russian, you don’t understand anything. And the most interesting thing is when they catch it, they say: NOT LUCKY fellow
                        And in Israel I never had to do this. Mentality, sir. Although they steal too. But - ten times less.
                      2. anykin
                        anykin 4 September 2020 19: 26 New
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                        What are you talking about? Is a Jew outside Israel starting to steal dozens of times more? So you agree with Sidorov.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 September 2020 19: 29 New
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                        No, about my friends Russian (or Ukrainian) people. I have very, very few Jewish acquaintances in Russia ((
                      4. anykin
                        anykin 4 September 2020 19: 38 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I have very, very few Jewish acquaintances in Russia ((

                        So don't make generalizations like Sidorov. If you are not the same person with him?
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 September 2020 19: 58 New
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                        Why are you with me, by the way? laughing
                        Yes, I don't - I quietly admire fellow
                      6. anykin
                        anykin 4 September 2020 20: 21 New
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                        Good luck to you.
      2. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 5 September 2020 09: 21 New
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        Mr. Hagen disappeared. Apparently he went to generalize on a national basis.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 September 2020 10: 20 New
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          Genocide the neighbors on the staircase? laughing
  • ccsr
    ccsr 4 September 2020 11: 26 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Making money is another thing, but building any tender for your own sake for a kickback, allocating money for cutting with a specialist, stealing insolently under the employer's nose and being able to sell to the left what the average Jew simply won't think of is a talent

    Cry, poor wretch, just do not tell this to those who were engaged in business in Russia in the nineties, and who know who was behind all this - just look at Yeltsin's entourage.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 September 2020 12: 01 New
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      lol We found a wretched man who was crying)).
      The country was destroyed by the guys from the Central Committee of the CPSU, incl. leaders of the Communist Party of the RSFSR, among whom there were no Jews, alas, request
      And who got the money from their privatization of the former Soviet property - this is already the tenth question, the main thing is that the former communists, all of the titular nations, did not lose at all)).
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 4 September 2020 11: 26 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar

    I apologize wildly from the entire Jewish people, but how can we try to loot - we can only learn from Russians and Ukrainians

    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 September 2020 12: 02 New
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      So Berezovsky went bankrupt, and he was not super rich by world standards, and Gusinsky is far from the top of the world business elite - compared to Potanin, Lisin, Prokhorov and Deripaska - about nothing laughing
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 4 September 2020 14: 06 New
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        Albert, do not get so excited about Lisin's nationality)) But you did not bring a complete series from the Russian Forbes - tovarisch Mikhelson)), tovarisch Abramovich, tovarischi Fridmany-Aveny-Khans, tovarisch Vekselberg (maybe a German ???) laughing Кстати, О. Дерипаска на 41 месте. А до него знаешь сколько "на четверть нашего народа"??? good
        1. anykin
          anykin 4 September 2020 18: 14 New
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          Quote: Okolotochny
          А до него знаешь сколько "на четверть нашего народа"???

          Instead of admonishing Vsevolod Sidorov, Albert began to measure the nationalities of the oligarchs. Two of a Kind.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 September 2020 20: 20 New
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            Oligarchs are usually workaholics. There is nothing wrong with oligarchs. As far as working methods are concerned, yes, you can argue, but they do what they are allowed to do. And it no longer depends on nationality.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 5 September 2020 18: 06 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              Oligarchs are usually workaholics. There is nothing wrong with oligarchs
              There is nothing wrong with entrepreneurs, even the wealthiest ones, and yes - they tend to be workaholics; and in oligarchs (even on a regional scale), practically everything is bad.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 5 September 2020 18: 15 New
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                What is your definition of oligarchy? I ask without sarcasm
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 6 September 2020 06: 44 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Your definition of oligarchy
                  Take a look at the wiki, but it is better to read Aristotle's justification for the laws of transformation of the aristocracy into an oligarchy, and the latter into a plutocracy, maybe the questions will disappear. hi The guys who seized power in the 90s were also not the richest at first, but they quickly became so.
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 September 2020 10: 08 New
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                  That's what I asked you about. The merger of power and the monopoly of big business is no good - I agree. As for the 90s, the smartest won, in most cases, not the most honest, but the smartest
                3. sniperino
                  sniperino 6 September 2020 12: 31 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  As for the 90s, the smartest won, in most cases, not the most honest, but the smartest
                  Those who better understood the conditions and possibilities of obtaining surplus value at the beginning. 90s, were promoted to the levers of control, became oligarchs, and from the middle have already transformed into plutocrats.
                4. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 September 2020 12: 46 New
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                  Probably. I will not argue
                5. sniperino
                  sniperino 6 September 2020 12: 59 New
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                  This is a scheme, of course, but it can be observed with boyars in Russia, Confederates in the USA, etc.
                6. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 September 2020 13: 54 New
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                  This is an inevitable process at a certain stage of state development.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 4 September 2020 18: 19 New
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    Hi! hi
    So I don’t argue, and Vekselberg is the same German as I am, just when exactly the Jews are accused of kleptomania, and they do it in Russian - I, as a person who lived in Israel for 25 years, fall from my chair with laughter, and me, with my medical card it is bad laughing
    Lisin - his acquaintance (according to the person, an acquaintance, and it may be quite, and very much), said that he did not ... but it may be that he did)) This does not change the essence - I do not like generalizations, but Jews can be attributed to the construction of fraudulent schemes, a quiet company of slandering competitors, etc., but about theft - in some other language - and you know what I mean. drinks
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 5 September 2020 15: 06 New
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      I read that Lisin did Yes)) Yes, I don't blame anyone. When you become an agricultural oligarch in the Kuban, I will definitely shout that the Jews bought up the entire Kuban. lol
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 5 September 2020 15: 14 New
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        G-d give it to be shouted as soon as possible laughing
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 5 September 2020 18: 51 New
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          Tomorrow I'll shout a blank from you drinks
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 5 September 2020 19: 06 New
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            No problem )))) drinks
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 4 September 2020 20: 05 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    but how to loot - to us Russians and Ukrainians you can only learn

    Мои не тырили, как и я, впрочем.Но как рассказывал мой покойный репрессированный дед, что не продотряд с приказом реквизировать последнее, то "интересная" фамилия у командира отряда. repeat A sort of, apparently, Russian-Ukrainian, like Bronstein. wink
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 September 2020 20: 24 New
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      So this is a requisition. The last - not the last, what they ordered, then they did. And as for the theft, my Russian relatives didn’t seem to be stealing either - which cannot be said about my employees, my father-in-law’s employees, etc. Yes, everyone knows this, either in Russia or in Ukraine. And an acquaintance has recruited relatives as workers - I ask him - why?
      - That it was not so offensive when they steal - he says. At least it will go to its own laughing
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 4 September 2020 20: 44 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        So this is a requisition. The last - not the last, what they ordered, then they did.

        Eh no! This is a state of mind. If there is no desire to be so, then you will not, especially the command staff. They liked doing it.
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And what about stealing

        And this is from education. As they brought up, they live. This applies to any nationality. But you have exclusively Russians and Ukrainians.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 4 September 2020 22: 19 New
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          1) I agree
          2) Not only and somewhat education - mentality. It's not about nationality - everyone steals. )) Historical traditions - "he himself is to blame for his poverty, he commanded a regiment for five years" (he could steal). The German woman was talking about a Russian officer - her subject. The question of why this happened in this particular territory is not clear. For a lot of free money thanks to serfdom?
  • roll
    roll Today, 20: 56 New
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    Словаки, чехи, сербы и т.п. со своими языками того же уровня как-то обходятся... А как общемировой - английский вполне справляется. Словацкий+английский явно полезнее, чем один русский и не сильно хуже, чем русский+английский, тем более, что преподавание английского в европейских странах заметно выше, чем в рф. Так что украинцам если они хотят развивать свой язык надо улучшать уровень преподавания английского, ибо это вполне компенсирует некоторую ограниченность их мовы...:))
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 3 September 2020 15: 10 New
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    I wonder what complexion the math teacher will have when she asks the student to summarize the problem, calculate, count on mov. I can't write a translation here, and so two warnings :-)
    1. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 3 September 2020 15: 14 New
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      1. Мат: всякую ...ню - модер здесь увидел мат. Я не стал писать "фигню"! Что придумало сознание модера неизвестно :-)
      2. Stirring up the national security: he called the Poles psh ....
      Не знаю, можно ли финнов можно называть "суоми"
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 3 September 2020 15: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: Adam Khomich
        1. Мат: всякую ...ню - модер здесь увидел мат. Я не стал писать "фигню"! Что придумало сознание модера неизвестно :-)
        2. Stirring up the national security: he called the Poles psh ....
        Не знаю, можно ли финнов можно называть "суоми"


        Eh youth, youth ... Study.
        \begin{align} \cos(nx) & = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{inx}\ \} = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{i(n-1)x}\cdot e^{ix}\ \} \\ & = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{i(n-1)x}\cdot (e^{ix} + e^{-ix} - e^{-ix})\ \} \\ & = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{i(n-1)x}\cdot \underbrace{(e^{ix} + e^{-ix})}_{2\cos(x)} - e^{i(n-2)x}\ \} \\ & = \cos[(n-1)x]\cdot 2 \cos(x) - \cos[(n-2)x]. \end{align}.

        Phew ... well, who's going to ban it?
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 3 September 2020 15: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: sergo1914
          well, who is banned?

          Gorgeous :-)
        2. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 3 September 2020 15: 37 New
          +4
          \begin{align} \cos(nx) & = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{inx}\ \} = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{i(n-1)x}\cdot e^{ix}\ \} \\ & = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{i(n-1)x}\cdot (e^{ix} + e^{-ix} - e^{-ix})\ \} \\ & = \mathrm{Re} \{\ e^{i(n-1)x}\cdot \underbrace{(e^{ix} + e^{-ix})}_{2\cos(x)} - e^{i(n-2)x}\ \} \\ & = \cos[(n-1)x]\cdot 2 \cos(x) - \cos[(n-2)x]. \end{align}.
          = \ end {align} \ cos [(n-2) x]. 2 \ cos (x) - = \ cos [(n-1) x] \ cdot
      2. ltc35
        ltc35 3 September 2020 15: 27 New
        +1
        Bend and we go in everything. Soon, the historical names generally accepted for centuries will be banned and cut out of the language arsenal. Recently, my YouTube video was rejected, it featured a house on 3 Ukrainskaya Street ... laughing
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 3 September 2020 15: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: ltc35
          on youtube rejected

          Ask who is moderating American platforms in the Russian-speaking segment and stop being surprised. I will notify you in advance - Bandera ukronatsiki!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 September 2020 19: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: adam khomich
            I will notify you in advance - Bandera ukronatsiki!

            Is Nazism at the state level in Ukraine news for you? Zelya appointed a prime minister, who goes to concerts of a Nazi group and says straightforwardly, we are working for you and for you. And Zelya publicly supported this statement of the prime minister.

            Admire this Nazi desman.
      3. BAI
        BAI 3 September 2020 22: 17 New
        +1
        всякую ...ню - модер здесь увидел мат. Я не стал писать "фигню"! Что придумало сознание модера неизвестно :-)

        А вот здесь надо было писать полностью. Фантазия у модераторов весьма испорчена. Как там у "Сектора газа"?
        "Мань о чем ты думаешь?
        Yes, that you are.
        Ух какие пошлые у тебя мечты!"
      4. bandabas
        bandabas 4 September 2020 03: 32 New
        -1
        Бывает. Года 4-ре назад вставил стихотворение Маяковского "Нате". Предупреждение получил за "Я лучше... буду ананасную воду". Скоо станем все "толлерантными".
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 September 2020 15: 14 New
    +2
    now there are no requests for the creation of Russian-language classes at all.

    In Lviv, still ...
    to create serious social barriers for the Russian-speaking population, forcing them to descend to the lower strata of society, that is, to work, at best, as guest workers. The most initiative will leave for Russia, and the rest will simply die out in a few years.

    This is what they are trying to achieve. By all means.
    Finally, Ukraine's financial capabilities to pay for such a large-scale anti-Russian revolution in school education look very doubtful - all the same, all pedagogy will have to be transferred to MOV.

    There will be money for this, in extreme cases friends from overseas will pay.
    1. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 3 September 2020 15: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      In Lviv, still ...

      Here in Lviv, there is just a request for a whole Russian-language school, but the owners of the banderlog have forbidden to leave the center of civilization.
  • kind
    kind 3 September 2020 15: 16 New
    +4
    Only in Ukrainian mov
    They refused to refuse, but at home they still speak Russian.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 September 2020 15: 38 New
      0
      It's not for long.
    2. Filing
      Filing 3 September 2020 15: 57 New
      +4
      I am a resident of the center of Ukraine, the city of Kropyvnytskyi (Kirovograd), they speak Ukrainian very rarely on the street, more Russian is heard.
      1. iouris
        iouris 4 September 2020 00: 44 New
        +2
        Вы ж сами написали, что город Кировоград называется Кропивницкий. А значит на улицах разговаривают (пока) на русском "кровопийцы", а не "кировоградцы". В перспективе прилетят оцелопы начнут трансклюкировать нафиг тех, кто не имеет цап не кричит три раза "ку".
        1. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 5 September 2020 09: 26 New
          0
          не "цап", а "цак". стыдно. классика
  • 210ox
    210ox 3 September 2020 15: 17 New
    15
    So, now a question for ours. What Lyada Ukrainian was made one of the three languages ​​in Crimea? Get out!
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 15: 29 New
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      What a lada

      Good question. I don’t know the answer. Let the marmots from the FADN of Russia answer.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 3 September 2020 15: 37 New
      10
      It would be correct to remove this MOV as far as possible .... Maybe later amendments will be adopted.
      There are young bulbashi, already frostbitten.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 3 September 2020 15: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      So, now a question for ours. What Lyada Ukrainian was made one of the three languages ​​in Crimea? Get out!

      Yes, there is more than one question that begs. As it turned out, Russia to this day is the third largest trading partner of Ukraine in terms of money turnover, and therefore the author's doubt
      Ukraine's financial capabilities to pay for such a large-scale anti-Russian revolution in school education look very doubtful - all the same, all pedagogy will have to be transferred to MOV.
      can be dispelled for the reason that financial support for discrimination against Russians is partly financed by Russia itself. We ourselves financially support this rotten Kuevo regime and tolerate its whims, and hence the question - How long? Isn't it time to reset all contacts with this territory?
      1. anykin
        anykin 4 September 2020 18: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Up to the stake? Isn't it time to reset all contacts with this territory?

        Like the United States and Iran. Only the USA are bad.
    4. short
      short 3 September 2020 18: 27 New
      +1
      There are only formally three languages, de facto there is one state language, the officiality of the other two languages ​​at a decorative level, just like Tatar in Tatarstan, Chuvash in Chuvashia, and so on. There are fewer Crimean Tatar schools there compared to Ukrainian times.
    5. dog of war
      dog of war 6 September 2020 15: 42 New
      -1
      In Crimea, all Ukrainian schools were closed 5 years ago. The Ukrainian language in Crimea is only on paper.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 7 September 2020 23: 01 New
        0
        Quote: dog of war
        In Crimea, all Ukrainian schools were closed 5 years ago. The Ukrainian language in Crimea is only on paper.

        Themselves, when was the last time in the Crimea?
        1. dog of war
          dog of war 10 September 2020 21: 19 New
          0
          I write from there and here it doesn't smell like Ukrainian
  • fn34440
    fn34440 3 September 2020 15: 29 New
    -17
    Tskavo, scho Russian nternatsonalst zzvychay know less than one MOV, and ukranskiy natsonalst yak mnmum two.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 15: 34 New
      13
      Let the Ukrainian nationalist say thanks for the Soviet education and the very existence of Ukraine.
    2. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 3 September 2020 15: 39 New
      12
      Quote: fn34440
      if you know one more MOV

      Ви на якiй мовi це написали? Що значить "зна"? Ви точно знаете, що володiете украiнською мовою, а не польско-гуцульским суржиком :-)
    3. 210ox
      210ox 3 September 2020 15: 42 New
      +7
      А куда деваться то? К "ахрессору" на стройку с определённым багажом знаний приходится ехать. Иначе по шароварам сапогом рискуют получить.. tongue
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 September 2020 11: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: fn34440
      Tskavo, scho Russian nternatsonalst zzvychay know less than one MOV, and ukranskiy natsonalst yak mnmum two.

      And here is the positive side of the rejection of the Russian language in schools. smile
    5. Zefr
      Zefr 4 September 2020 14: 48 New
      +1
      and ukransky nationalist yak mnmum two

      And in our shop, one guest worker knows four.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 3 September 2020 15: 32 New
    +3
    Mova today, war tomorrow. It's all just for this.
  • iouris
    iouris 3 September 2020 15: 37 New
    +2
    Посыл принципиально ошибочный: не школы "отказались". Полным ходом идёт освоение захваченной части России для последующего освоения оставшейся части России. Одним из явных признаков этого является решение "проблемы русского языка" путём замена на "новояз". Это не тот певучий народный язык, на котором разговаривали переселенцы из Малороссии, например, во Фрунзе (привет многолетнему "эксперту" Соловьёва Вячеславниколаичукофтуну, ныне политически и медийно умервщлённому). Основу "новояза" составляет сконструированный "британскими учёными" "украинский язык". Ну, дык, британский язык сконструирован венецианцами, захватившими острова.
  • prior
    prior 3 September 2020 15: 42 New
    +3
    If you want to raise a Bandera member, teach him on the move.
    Such a Ukraine has no future, just as there is no future for Ukrainian nationalism.
    Ukrainians are a dead-end branch of the Russian world.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 September 2020 22: 38 New
      +2
      "Украина" - это направление, уводящее российскую государственность на свалку истории. Это очень серьёзно.
      1. roll
        roll Today, 21: 08 New
        0
        Вообще-то российская революция сверху 2014-го года уже увела российскую государственность на свалку истории. Просто пока нахождение на периферии свалки не столь бросается в глаза.
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 3 September 2020 16: 01 New
    0
    Moreover, such fundamental subjects as mathematics, physics and chemistry will be taught exclusively in Ukrainian language

    Зачем селюкам из Великой Аграрной Сверхдержавы эти "лженауки"? :)))
    Ignorance of the Russian language will mean that fewer 404 residents will come to Russia to work. And this is good.
    Again, it will always be possible to distinguish the zaslanets in the crowd!
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 3 September 2020 16: 06 New
    +1
    Это не "школы отказались", это власть их заставила, к ужасу родителей и детей от русского отказаться.
  • Nike
    Nike 3 September 2020 16: 30 New
    0
    "Школам отказали..." так будет вернее.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 3 September 2020 17: 34 New
    +1
    Никто от языка русского не отказывался! Вспомнить только как родители боролись, собирали подписи и ходили по начальству чтобы открыли хотя бы русские классы! В Киеве народ в шоке! И ведь при советской власти в ходу было 2 языка и как-то украинский не вымер. А ведь именно это ставят нам русскоязычным в укор. "Из-за вашего русского украинский пропадет"! При таком этноциде наоборот, разовьется идеосинкразия на этот суржик!
    1. roll
      roll Today, 21: 11 New
      0
      Это статистическое явление, 98% примут и выучат, 2% уедут. Дети уже будут без имперской закваски и смотреть на рф без розовых очков. Думаю, что это всё ради этого и делается...
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  • short
    short 3 September 2020 18: 07 New
    -2
    Everything is fine in Russia, in many places national schools were closed back in the days of the USSR and everything is buzzing. In the Argayashsky, Kunashaksky districts of the Chelyabinsk region, Safakulevsky and Almenevsky, there have been no Tatar and Bashkir schools for a long time; before their liquidation, zero grades were created so that from the first grade all subjects were in Russian. Then the children had problems, now there are no problems, many children simply do not know the language of their ancestors. And so throughout Russia.
    1. phair
      phair 4 September 2020 06: 37 New
      -1
      We studied separately from the Tuvans. And it pleases. Entering the classroom after Tuvans ... It's like going to a pigsty or a poultry house (I know I've been to all three places). Impressive: after a fight, they don't wave their fists (waved, tomorrow they look at you evenly). Enrages - they do not hold a glass (I felt more comfortable with the Yakuts, because I was not a Nazi.) Thank you school 1 Ak-Dovurak of the Barun-Khemchik region. Who is in kozhuun, go to the taiga. Tuvans know their language very well. Russians are mostly mats.
      1. short
        short 4 September 2020 11: 38 New
        +1
        Tuvans entered the empire late, already in the Soviet period, the degree of assimilation is lower. And they are located on the outskirts, this plays a very important role. In addition to the Tuvans, the Yakuts and Chechens have relatively normal language with them. But this is not because of national schools, there are other reasons. Chechens do not seem to have a single Chechen school even in Chechnya ...
    2. dog of war
      dog of war 6 September 2020 15: 47 New
      0
      In Chuvashia there is not one Chuvash school.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 3 September 2020 18: 41 New
    0
    ... It's very hard in Ukraine without the Russian language,

    This is really so, if only because chemistry textbooks in Ukrainian for universities have not been created - it is impossible to translate chemical formulas and definitions into surzhik, because the result is abracadabra. As far as I know, even at Kiev University, chemistry is still taught according to Soviet textbooks - at least it was like that a couple of years ago.
    But the most important thing is that such Russian-speaking regions as Crimea or Donbass will never return to Ukraine again, and this is very pleasing to those who look to the future and see the LPR and DPR as part of Russia.
    1. Husit
      Husit 3 September 2020 19: 55 New
      0
      Quote: ccsr
      This is really so, if only because chemistry textbooks in Ukrainian for universities have not been created - it is impossible to translate chemical formulas and definitions into surzhik, because abracadabra was obtained

      And yes, and it sounds very funny .. It's not for nothing that Kazakhs switched to the Latin alphabet, and they still speak Russian when something important needs to be expressed on a serious topic ..))))
  • BAI
    BAI 3 September 2020 19: 17 New
    +4
    Why resent now? It was necessary to be indignant when discrimination of the Russian language began in the Tribaltic. Ukraine held out for a long time. Now outside the Russian Federation, perhaps only in the Republic of Belarus, the Russian language has the status of the state language.
  • Husit
    Husit 3 September 2020 19: 47 New
    0
    Ukrainian schools abandoned the Russian language

    And the deputies in the Rada on their mobile phones in Russian correspond and swear too, if they really get pissed off))) Here's a paradox! Damned we are contagions lol
    P / S / Russian is Great and Mighty! So many shades and expressions, no one else in the world has this
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 4 September 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Husit
      And the deputies in the Rada on their mobile phones in Russian correspond and swear too, if they really get pissed off))) Here's a paradox! Damned we are contagions

      There is no paradox here, because the use of the Ukrainian language in complex technical documentation is impossible, and it is in Russian. Therefore, the Ukrainian language is the dress code of Svidomo, according to which they determine whether you are a Ukrainian nationalist or not. But for a normal perception of reality and internal communication, they use the Russian language, which is really popular among educated people. But since the future of Ukraine can be seen on the example of Moldova, I think it is not in vain that the Ukrainian language is implanted everywhere - in agriculture, you can do with it, as when working in the fields in Poland.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 3 September 2020 20: 54 New
    +2
    For example, create serious social barriers for the Russian-speaking population, forcing them to descend to the lower strata of society, that is, to work, at best, as guest workers. The most initiative will leave for Russia, and the rest will simply die out in a few years.

    The Russian Federation just needs to stop recognizing education documents issued on the territory of Ukraine (with the exception of the DPR and LPR) from a certain year, and there will be initiative Ukrainians in the Russian Federation, and the ethnic composition of our Media will immediately change ...
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 September 2020 14: 19 New
      +2
      Do not give work to ATO participants and their relatives in the Russian Federation.
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 3 September 2020 21: 11 New
    +4
    Вопрос в том почему "наша власть" никак не реагирует на все эти выкрутасы? Не защищает пусть и не граждан,а русских,и не надо русских людей называть рускоговорящими,это мерзко, зато мы спасаем Сирию. Было бы желание,а меры воздействия и прочие ресурсы нашлись бы. Русские люди живут под оккупацией десятилетия без надежды на освобождение.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 September 2020 14: 18 New
      -1
      Do you suggest bombing in Israeli and American?
    2. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 5 September 2020 09: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: Mmm
      Вопрос в том почему "наша власть" никак не реагирует на все эти выкрутасы?

      And nothing that you for this power in the last elections voted with an absolute majority of votes. So that's your power, without any quotes.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 4 September 2020 08: 20 New
    +2
    Let's be more active so that this whole bed of dill quickly dried up.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 September 2020 12: 46 New
    -1
    Мне кажется что опасность вопроса сильно раздута. В Русскоязычных семьях будут говорить на русском - в доме будут русские книги, люди будут зависать через анонимайзеры в русском сигменте интернета и общаться с русскоговорящими - этого достаточно чтобы держать язык на том же уровне "суржика" , на котором он как существовал на Украине (не западной) -так и будет существовать ,вне зависимости от желания или нежелания каких-либо властей.
    You cannot argue against evolution, DO NOT FORBIDDEN)) A person chooses a more complex one only in combination with a multiple of the greater functionality, inherently attached to it. The Ukrainian language is less suited for a wide range of activities than Russian. Articles, films, TV shows - the Russian-speaking community will be incommensurate with what is generated with the Ukrainian-speaking. And like it or not, but the most capable will teach. But this will be the area in which the Ukrainian state will not be represented - and this is already an excellent opportunity to calmly take these positions in the future, because the enemy stupidly surrendered them without a fight.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 September 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      It seems to me that the danger of the question is greatly exaggerated.

      Have you heard about Human Rights? This is what the right to study in one's native language is.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 September 2020 15: 22 New
        0
        Есть ОГРОМНАЯ разница между запрещением и не способствованием. Государство убирает рус. яз из школьного образования - это как раз "не способствование".
        1. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 4 September 2020 17: 27 New
          0
          The word Logic is not familiar to you.)))) Only the Kolyma river will cure you.
          "не способствование" Правам человека - это нарушение Прав человека.
          In Ukraine, it is precisely the prohibition.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 4 September 2020 23: 33 New
            0
            That is, according to the logic of things, what you were not taught at school, for example, Old Slavonic is a violation of your rights?
            1. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 07: 41 New
              +1
              Today in Ukraine the majority speaks Russian. In the EU, Russian after the departure of Great Britain is almost the second. In Ukraine and in the EU, Russian should become the state language. Nazis who don't like it ... you're shorter than that.
              The question is in prevalence. I do not raise the question of the inferiority of Ukrainian for children. Ukrainian is suitable only for Polish laborers.
        2. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 4 September 2020 17: 29 New
          0
          When Russia returns to Ukraine and the Baltic states will evict everyone who does not know Russian to the Kolyma.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 4 September 2020 23: 33 New
            0
            Patch on Kolyma detected
            1. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 07: 36 New
              0
              Where to send human rights violators, neo-Nazis? Give them a prize?
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 5 September 2020 12: 08 New
                0
                How do you determine where these same rights end? Here in our country, for example, same-sex marriages are prohibited - it turns out, according to your logic, our government is neo-Nazis?
                1. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 16: 02 New
                  0
                  A marriage can only be between a man and a woman. By definition, same-sex marriage cannot be.
                  Mt. 19: 5,6 “And he said: For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two will become one flesh, so that they are no longer two, but one flesh. So, what God has combined, let not man separate ”
                  Where is the same sex marriage?
                  1. Knell wardenheart
                    Knell wardenheart 5 September 2020 16: 39 New
                    0
                    You are referring to religious scriptures that deny even more fundamental human rights and call for intolerance based on gender and religion ..
                    "Брак может быть только между мужчиной и женщиной" - кто так постановил ? Это закреплено в документах предшествующих созданию ООН ? Если это религиозные нормы - то почему они распространяются на тех ,кто не принадлежит к соответствующим конфессиям и не принадлежал исторически ?

                    Я не за права меньшинств , однако указываю вам на тот факт, что то,что вы называете "права человека" - это очень зыбкая и размытая штука . Где начинается прерогатива государства и заканчивается прерогатива свободы личности - весьма спорный вопрос .
                    В нашей стране например не разрешены однополые браки и они не присутствуют в правовом поле - это то,что я называю "Не способствование". Однако людей нетрадиционной ориентации никто не ловит по доносам и не лоботомируют или сжигают - вот это уже как раз таки и было бы законодательное "Запрещение". Чувствуете разницу ?
                    Отношение к русскому языку со стороны властей Украины и на ее территории - это такая же зыбкая почва с точки зрения "Прав человека" , как отношение к однополым бракам в нашей стране . Будет много маханий клешнями и воплей - однако между "Не способствованием" и "Запрещением" - бездна , и потому все останется как есть "по факту" , что бы там не накорябали юристы и политики.
                    1. hhhhhhh
                      hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 16: 45 New
                      0
                      "Однако людей нетрадиционной ориентации никто не ловит по доносам и не лоботомируют или сжигают" -Еше буквально 50 лет назад на Западе Тьюринг сидел в тюрьме за гомо, а негры не могли сидеть на местах в автобусе и ты хочешь сказать желание элит сократить население через гомофикацию важнее Библии?
                      Western epidemics are not my decree.
                      Have you compared homosexuals with the Russian language?
                      1. Knell wardenheart
                        Knell wardenheart 5 September 2020 17: 08 New
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                        До чего вы легко расстались с "правами человека" - стоило лишь упомянуть пунктик,с которым лично вы не согласны) Упоминая Библию вы игнорируете факт отношения к проблеме других религиозных конфессий -вам просто наплевать на их мнение) Это ,собственно ,и есть т.н "Великодержавный шовинизм" - а вы очень каноничный его образчик.
                        Вот, на Украине сидят такие же "Великодержавные шовинисты" - разница между вами лишь в том, что там считают что не правы вы . Но вы ведь правы,не так ли ?) Поразительным образом все кто устраивал геноциды и мировые войны -считали также. Это называется "точка зрения". Пример в отношении прав меньшинств был приведен в качестве объяснения вам , в чем разница между "Не способствованием" и "Запрещением" -однако я вижу что не в коня корм ) И вы действительно не понимаете что мир куда сложнее ,чем картинка "Россия 24" .
                      2. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 17: 14 New
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                        In the USSR, the Baltic languages ​​and Ukrainian were not banned, and even forced all Russian-speaking children to learn the language in the republics. You're talking nonsense to me about my chauvinism. You justify the Russian genocide that is taking place in Ukraine and the EU.
                        You're confusing horseradish with nails.
                        World wars were for the grandmother, the rest did not matter.
                      3. Knell wardenheart
                        Knell wardenheart 5 September 2020 17: 22 New
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                        The policy of the USSR in relation to the sponsored peoples led it (the USSR) to a parade of sovereignties and disintegration into national states. So, probably, it is not worth pointing out this policy as something good or true. The right decision does not lead to bad results.
                        Сейчас очень модно стало использовать слово "геноцид" по поводу и без. Геноцид, друг мой , это когда представители иной веры или национальности приезжают на территорию компактного проживания людей с иной верой или национальностью -и выпиливают их под 0. Так что как вы выразились "хрен с гвоздями" путаете уже вы - низкоинтенсивный гражданский конфликт и геноцид это абсолютно разные вещи.

                        Я не вижу вагонов с русскоязычными ,которые едут из этих "филиалов ада" в РФ - даже несмотря на упрощенное гражданство . Картинка не складывается !
                      4. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 17: 29 New
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                        The collapse of the USSR was led by the elite's thirst for preserving their privileges for pensions and children.)))
                        Only fools do not know this. And the rest is arranged by the elites.

                        "Я не вижу вагонов с русскоязычными ,которые едут из этих "филиалов ада" в РФ - даже несмотря на упрощенное гражданство . Картинка не складывается !" - почему они должны уезжать с земли которая им принадлежит? Русские имеют больше прав на Литву, Латвию, Эстонию и Украину чем эстонцы, украинцы и латыши, литовцыы. Они же отказываются от СССР,а им территории дали Ленин, а потом Сталин, до того они принадлежали русским.
                      5. Knell wardenheart
                        Knell wardenheart 5 September 2020 17: 39 New
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                        It was the policy of the center of the USSR that led to the cultivation of those national elites who then desired independent independence, and had a complete set of tools in order to obtain it. Was that good?

                        Оперируя термином "Принадлежала" - конкретизируйте правовые основания ,на которых эта принадлежность основывается. Юридическое право, право силы итд.
                        С юридической точки зрения власти РФ отпустили соседние страны в свободное националистическое плавание .Если же оперировать "принадлежностью" по праву силы то так ведь и до Парижа можно добраться ,хватило бы фантазии.
                      6. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 18: 01 New
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                        If you want to get a paid consultation, pay money. Your education is no leisure for me. Your every suggestion is 90s bullshit
                      7. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 18: 13 New
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                        Purchased with the Chukhonts. Transferred by Lenin and Stalin, Khrushchev.
                    2. dog of war
                      dog of war 6 September 2020 16: 02 New
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                      The fact that Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine were part of the Russian Empire does not mean that the Russians have rights to these lands. Otherwise, in accordance with your logic, the Mongols have rights to Siberia and a significant territory of the Russian Federation, since these territories were part of the Mongol Empire.
                    3. hhhhhhh
                      hhhhhhh 6 September 2020 19: 24 New
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                      Цитата: пес войны
                      The fact that Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine were part of the Russian Empire does not mean that Russians have rights to these lands.

                      The Russian Tsars paid, the Russian soldiers fought, and does it belong to the descendants of the accomplices of the genocide of the Soviet people in 1941-1955? Descendants of the Nazis? What did they pay for this land?

                      With what fright? From the decision of the old men in the CPSU Central Committee? So the Balts and Ukrainians do not recognize the decisions of the CPSU.
        3. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 16: 49 New
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          In Ukraine, violent Ukrainization. This will kill the Ukrainian language forever. When the Russians eat back, the Ukrainian will be forgotten.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 5 September 2020 17: 14 New
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            There are processes that occur by themselves and participation in them is just a waste of resources in an empty struggle against evolution. Opponents of the Russian language in Ukraine will not achieve anything by smoking it out of the school system - and we should not expect that this measure will somehow shake his position. At home and in the company, people will speak Russian, use Russian Internet resources - those who will speak Russian will still have more options in employment.
            This is what I want to convey to you - sometimes some stupid enemy moves do not need retaliatory actions, the enemy will lead himself into the anus. This is just such a case.
            Russian will be taught if it is profitable - we cannot make Ukraine abandon this venture, but we can make this undertaking work against Ukraine itself.
          2. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 17: 15 New
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            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            There are processes that occur by themselves and participation in them is just a waste of resources in an empty struggle against evolution. Opponents of the Russian language in Ukraine will not achieve anything by smoking it out of the school system - and we should not expect that this measure will somehow shake his position. At home and in the company, people will speak Russian, use Russian Internet resources - those who will speak Russian will still have more options in employment.
            This is what I want to convey to you - sometimes some stupid enemy moves do not need retaliatory actions, the enemy will lead himself into the anus. This is just such a case.
            Russian will be taught if it is profitable - we cannot make Ukraine abandon this venture, but we can make this undertaking work against Ukraine itself.

            You are justifying the genocide of the Russians.
        4. short
          short 7 September 2020 00: 52 New
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          In the Russian Federation, Russification and what?
        5. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 7 September 2020 08: 17 New
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          Russian language of interethnic communication. Russian language of the United Nations.
          The prohibition of others and the wearing of kosovorotki and boots are not attached to the study of the Russian language
          You are clearly confusing concepts ...
        6. short
          short 8 September 2020 10: 50 New
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          При чём тут это ООН и прочая муйня? То что в маленьком украинском Крыму русских школ было больше, чем нерусских во всей огромной России это нормально? То что в 2008 или 2009 году приняли закон, что единственным языком для сдачи ЕГЭ русский это русификаторская политика? то что народом отказано использовать другие письменности кроме кириллицы это нормально? То что из республик убрали обязательное изучение государственного языка, но зато вводят в школах второй иностранный обязательный это нормально? То что после прихода РФ уменьшилось количество крымскотатарских школ это не русификаторская политика? То что за 20 лет, РФ не ратифицировала "европейскую хартию региональных языков" этонормально?

          The Russian Federation should stop pursuing its chauvinistic policy, and not lie in its reports that there are more than 300 Chuvash schools in Chuvashia. That's when she then she dares to talk about the language policy in the Baltics or in Ukraine.
        7. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 8 September 2020 11: 26 New
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          What is your text for?
          Is it forbidden to study in Chuvash in Chuvashia?
        8. short
          short 8 September 2020 15: 21 New
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          There are no Chuvash schools in Chuvashia, therefore at 30-60 they were closed ... If there is, then the minimum number. For the transfer of schools to the Russian language of instruction, 0th classes were opened, a kind of cultural genocide.
        9. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 8 September 2020 16: 18 New
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          Quote: short
          There are no Chuvash schools in Chuvashia, therefore at 30-60 they were closed ...
          Before the arrival of the Bolsheviks, was there a general Chuvash education?
          Books in the Chuvash language are banned in the USSR and now? Is there an opportunity today to send a child to study in the Chuvash language?
        10. short
          short 10 September 2020 11: 30 New
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          Before the arrival of the Bolsheviks, there were Chuvash schools, but most of the Chuvash were illiterate, like other peoples, including the Bolsheviks. The tsarist government was concerned with the emphasis on Russification through the church, so usually the first years of schools were taught in the Chuvash language, and then they switched to Russian.
          The Soviet period was divided into two periods, the first one, favorable for the peoples, is indigenization. But this did not last long, until the 30s, when the Russification policy began. Abolished national districts and village councils, introduced the obligatory Russian language, and then subjects began to translate subjects into Russian. In different regions, the scales were different, the Karelians were immediately covered up with oxygen, in cities there was total Russification, and in rural settlements in many places, especially in the ASSR, it remained in its native language. All this was done ostensibly for the benefit of the peoples, for their adaptation. Likewise, the Balts and the Ukrainians do not directly cancel the teaching of the Russian language, this is for the good that Russians can enter Latvian universities without problems. In general, what is happening there is what has been done in the Russian Federation (previously in the RSFSR) over the past 90 years.
        11. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 10 September 2020 12: 01 New
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          Quote: short
          then objects began to translate objects into Russian.

          Before the 30s was there Chuvash physics and chemistry, geography, astranomy?

          "Так и прибалты с украинцами напрямую не отменяют преподавание русского языка, это для благо, чтоб русские могли поступать в университеты Латвии без проблем." - ты лжешь, преподавание на русском языке ЗАПРЕЩЕНО, даже в частных вузах и школах. Большевики не запрещали учиться на родном языке.

          You are confusing the language of international communication and the native language. Do you mean Ukrainian or Baltic can become the language of interethnic communication ?????
          In the Baltics and Ukraine, the majority speaks Russian. Not to mention the presence of Russians on a huge scale. The examples of Switzerland, Belgium, Canada and Finland do not convince you that the native language of more than 5% of the population should become the state language.
        12. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 11 September 2020 08: 06 New
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          Balts and Ukrainians take revenge on Russian children for closing Chuvash schools by the Jewish Bolsheviks in the 30s and 60s
        13. short
          short 13 October 2020 22: 20 New
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          Russification has always been, in the Russian Federation and in the 00s many laws of Russification were adopted. It's just that some peoples, which, unlike which remained in the Russian Federation, have the opportunity to carry out de-Russification. Physics, chemistry and astronomy were not taught even by the majority of Russians. But if the Chuvash had their own state, then these subjects would naturally be taught in the Chuvash language. Like other peoples, for example, Karelians, who actually speak Finnish dialects ...
          The Bolsheviks still forbade studying in their native language, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, only two peoples had a school curriculum for 10 classes in their native language, the Tatars and Bashkirs, who actually speak the same language. But in reality, both in Tatarstan and Bashkiria, even in rural areas, only three classes studied in their native language, and in cities, from the first grade, most of them studied in Russian. And those Tatars and Bashkirs who lived outside the republics, even in rural areas, created zero grades in order to study in Russian from the first grade. In Argayashsky, Kunashaksky, Safakulevsky, Almenievsky districts, where Tatars and Bashkirs make up the majority, not that there are no national schools, even the native language and literature do not disappear there. Only in the village of Sibirki there was an elective, now it seems there is no (.
        14. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 14 October 2020 11: 39 New
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          Russian language of interethnic communication. Dot.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 5 September 2020 16: 52 New
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    In Ukraine, they are bombing for the Russian language.
  • roll
    roll Today, 21: 18 New
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    Более способные будут учить английский. Он объективно намного сильнее и перспективнее русского. А для гастерства будут учить польский, чешский, словацкий и т.п.... Это также перспективнее работы в рф, где стабильно падает средняя зарплата, а рубль ведет себя хуже нигерийской найры...
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 September 2020 14: 15 New
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    началось движение "Участникам АТО и их родственникам нет работы в РФ и Белоруссии".
  • Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 4 September 2020 22: 19 New
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    And this will be accepted and fulfilled ...