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Sweden alerts the army and fears the "fate of Crimea" for Gotland

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For the first time in decades since the Cold War, Sweden has brought its armed forces on full alert. The reason is the excessive, in Stockholm's opinion, Russia's military activity.


How Russian exercises in the Baltic scared the Swedish military


Despite its status as a neutral state in the last two world wars, Sweden is quite hostile towards our country. The United States and Sweden's Scandinavian neighbors, which are members of the NATO bloc, are doing everything possible to, if not pull the country into the North Atlantic alliance, then at least turn it into a reliable ally in the northwest.

The chief of operations for the Swedish armed forces, Vice Admiral Jan Thörnqvist, recently announced that the country was in real danger. The Swedish military sees the main threat in the active movements of Russian ships in the Baltic Sea. As it turned out later, Russia conducted military exercises with the participation of landing ships, but a real commotion arose in Stockholm. Apparently, the Swedes thought that the famous Russian marines were landing from three landing ships in Sweden, and then the kingdom disappeared.

It was after the information about the Russian exercises that the Swedish command urgently began to strengthen the defense of the island of Gotland. After demilitarization, Gotland became, from the point of view of Swedish admirals and generals, defenseless against "Russian aggression". Therefore, ground forces with armored vehicles and several fighters of the Swedish air force were transferred to the island.

By the way, the Swedish island of Gotland has been since 1679, and before that it was constantly the subject of conflicts between the Danish and Swedish crowns. However, in 1808-1809, during the war between Sweden and the Russian Empire, for several weeks Gotland was indeed occupied by Russian troops. Apparently, now is the time to speculate on the events of two hundred years ago.

Russophobia in Sweden is incited for specific purposes


Now venerable Swedish political scientists are seriously talking about the fact that Gotland may have a “fate of Crimea”: Russia, they say, will try to seize the island, and then Sweden will not be able to get it back and lose part of its territory.


The Swedish army is increasingly conducting military exercises, practicing actions in the event of an enemy invasion


On the basis of what such conclusions are made in Stockholm, it is not very clear. But on the other hand, they are probably very welcome in the United States: the more horror the Swedes experience before the tales of "Russian aggression", the closer the day when Stockholm itself will ask to join the North Atlantic Alliance, and such a rich and prosperous ally will never hurt.

The militarization of Sweden is proceeding at a fairly rapid pace. So, the country has returned to compulsory military service, makes large purchases of weapons and military equipment, but it has not come to joining NATO yet. However, it is possible that this will happen in the foreseeable future, since Russophobia in Sweden, in the mass media, and in the authorities, is very developed.

Now in this Scandinavian country, the degree of rejection of Russia in the media is probably second only to Polish, Baltic or Ukrainian propaganda. Moreover, there are no real grounds for such an attitude: Russia has not fought with Sweden for 200 years, has no territorial claims against it, there are no territories with a Russian-speaking population in Sweden, and in Russia with a Swedish population.

Consequently, the carefully cultivated hatred of our country is only the result of purposeful propaganda beneficial to those circles of the Swedish elite who are interested in drawing the country into military-political alliances with the United States and NATO. By the way, it is the North Atlantic Alliance that will be the main beneficiary: it is quite possible to write off part of NATO subsidies for the maintenance of small and useless allies like the Baltic republics or Ukraine on rich Sweden.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 2 September 2020 18: 26 New
    12
    There has already been a coup in Stockholm, and a referendum is being prepared in Gotland? Is there a base in Gotland - a Russian military base?
    1. Finches
      Finches 2 September 2020 18: 36 New
      24
      Once again I am convinced that, basically, the countries that lie under the Anglo-Saxons are ruled by proactive oligaphrens ... They had a normal prime minister like that, Olof Palme, but he was immediately killed ... he didn't even have time to purr. I still remember the gorgeous issues of the "International Panarama" with Bovin examining this emergency!
      1. Husit
        Husit 2 September 2020 20: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        Once again I am convinced that, basically, the countries that lie under the Anglo-Saxons are ruled by proactive oligaphrens.

        With an incomprehensible orientation ...)))
        Quote: Finches
        They had a normal prime minister like that, Olof Palme, but they immediately banged him ... he didn't even have time to purr. I still remember the gorgeous issues of the "International Panarama" with Bovin examining this emergency!

        It was the case of Evgeny .. There are no such people anymore, or the exes in the west start to say something more or less truthful, but they are immediately shut up ..
        Well, the Swedes, what to take from them .. I remember recently an article was here on VO ..
        Our submarine surfaced in neutral waters near Sweden and sailed about its business in the open and students met them on a sailboat .. They waved peacefully smiling at each other !!!
        The West is usually silent about this. And the students were shocked that they were so frightened by the Russians ..
        They thought that bears would growl for them from the submarine, with balalaikas and vodka .. wassat
        1. Clear
          Clear 2 September 2020 21: 44 New
          +9
          Quote: Husit
          They thought that bears would growl for them from the submarine, with balalaikas and vodka ..

          Well, Russian Houthi almost made me laugh laughing good
          but I remembered that I, too, was Russian, and the house ran out of vodka and I had to go to harness a bear sleeping drunk with my Kalashnikov under my head, and for vodka, I would have to go on foot, wearing a fur hat, felt boots and a sheepskin coat on a vest.
          And, the nearest general store is only 200 km away, but we have a long frosty August night, I'll be in time by morning.
          In the morning, after all, to work - to dig a launching shaft for a ballistic nuclear submarine with a sapper shovel love
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 3 September 2020 11: 07 New
            +2
            [quote = Clear] [quote = Hussit] They thought that bears would growl from the submarine, with balalaikas and vodka .. [/ quote]
            Well, Russian Houthi almost made me laugh laughing good
            but I remembered that I, too, was Russian, and the house ran out of vodka and I had to go to harness a bear sleeping drunk with my Kalashnikov under my head, and for vodka, I would have to go on foot, wearing a fur hat, felt boots and a sheepskin coat on a vest.
            And, the nearest general store is only 200 km away, but we have a long frosty August night, I'll be in time by morning.
            In the morning, after all, to work - to dig a launching shaft for a ballistic nuclear submarine with a sapper shovel love[/ Quote]




            And now the same thing in English (Google translation):
            [quote = Clear] [quote = Houthit] They thought that bears would growl from the submarine, with balalaikas and vodka .. [/ quote]
            Well, Russian Houthi almost made fun of: laughing :: good:
            but I remembered that I, too, was Russian, and the house ran out of vodka and I had to go to harness a bear sleeping drunk with my Kalashnikov under my head, and for vodka, I would have to go on foot, wearing a fur hat, felt boots and a sheepskin coat on a vest.
            And, the nearest general store is only 200 km away, but we have a long frosty August night, I will have time by morning.
            After all, in the morning to work - to dig a launching shaft for a ballistic nuclear submarine with a sapper shovel
            1. Clear
              Clear 3 September 2020 20: 47 New
              +1
              [quote] [quote = Starover_Z] [quote = Clear] [quote = Hussit] They thought that bears would growl from the submarine, with balalaikas and vodka .. [/ quote]
              Well, Russian Houthi almost made me laugh laughing good
              but I remembered that I, too, was Russian, and the house ran out of vodka and I had to go to harness a bear sleeping drunk with my Kalashnikov under my head, and for vodka, I would have to go on foot, wearing a fur hat, felt boots and a sheepskin coat on a vest.
              And, the nearest general store is only 200 km away, but we have a long frosty August night, I'll be in time by morning.
              In the morning, after all, to work - to dig a launching shaft for a ballistic nuclear submarine with a sapper shovel love[/ Quote]




              And now the same thing in English (Google translation):
              [quote = Clear] [quote = Houthit] They thought that bears would growl from the submarine, with balalaikas and vodka .. [/ quote]
              Well, Russian Houthi almost made fun of: laughing :: good:
              but I remembered that I, too, was Russian, and the house ran out of vodka and I had to go to harness a bear sleeping drunk with my Kalashnikov under my head, and for vodka, I would have to go on foot, wearing a fur hat, felt boots and a sheepskin coat on a vest.
              And, the nearest general store is only 200 km away, but we have a long frosty August night, I will have time by morning.
              After all, in the morning to work - to dig a launching shaft for a ballistic nuclear submarine with a sapper shovel [/ quote]
              [/ Quote]



              Yuri, what kind of translation did you use for them: artistic, religious or special non-artistic?
              Better, of course, in prose or poetry, but it will do in folklore. yes We, for the "native" English Winglish, do not mind anything No.
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 5 September 2020 18: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Clear
                Yuri, what kind of translation did you use for them: artistic, religious or special non-artistic?

                Well I wrote -
                And now the same thing in English (Google translation):

                Their translator, so let them perceive!
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 2 September 2020 23: 08 New
          +1
          The bear slept drunk. Submariners and waved - like rowing out of here, until the clubfoot woke up.
          The bear was not easy, but a descendant of the one whom the Varangian Yaroslav hacked to death with an ax near the city of the same name.
          The bear went to serve in the navy to take revenge on the descendants of the Normans. But I didn't calculate the strength, I went over it.
          The sailors saved the lives of the students.
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 3 September 2020 03: 11 New
        +1
        Ovsyannikov how he conducted the show ...... Died in a car accident ......
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 04: 48 New
        +1
        I will also add that Sweden is a formally neutral country. And therefore Sweden should also be intimidated by NATO exercises in the Baltic. But for some reason, NATO members do not frighten the Swedes. Consequently, the Swedes are part of NATO.

        For Russia, this is a necessary conclusion - during the war with NATO, if there is one, Russia needs to hit the cities and military bases of Sweden in the same way as it should hit the cities and bases of the countries that are officially NATO members. Otherwise, the Swedes could remain intact and strike at Russia, weakened by NATO's nuclear bombing.

        As for Gotland, I am sure that the Swedes overestimate the importance of this island for Russia from the point of view of warfare.
        The seizure of Gotland by Russia could give a tactical advantage by deploying anti-ship missile systems and blocking NATO ships from entering the Baltic. But this is unlikely. Since, with an overwhelming air superiority, NATO will not allow Russia to transport anti-ship complexes to Gotland. And if this happens, then again, not for long.

        During the WWII period on the Channel Islands in the English Channel, the Germans built a strong fortress to resist the British landing. So in the summer of 1944, the Anglo-Americans simply ignored this fortress. And the fortress surrendered after May 9, 1945 completely without a fight (when the fortress was remembered). Consequently, Hitler, having ordered the construction of a fortress on the islands, greatly overestimated its importance.

        The same goes for Gotland. There are troops in Gotland and whose troops they are - this will not affect the ability of Russia and NATO to fire missiles at each other and strike with aircraft across the Baltic, ignoring Gotland, or filling it with explosives, but not landing troops on it.
        1. Guillon
          Guillon 3 September 2020 20: 30 New
          +1
          Yes, we haven't beat the Swedes for a long time! laughing
    2. Borik
      Borik 2 September 2020 18: 37 New
      +7
      Why do we need Gotland, Take the Moonsund Islands.
      1. Husit
        Husit 2 September 2020 20: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Borik
        Why do we need Gotland, Take the Moonsund Islands.

        While we need to recapture Kiev from the Bandera ... and only then))))
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 3 September 2020 03: 14 New
          -2
          Why do you need Kiev-Siberian regiments and divisions will no longer be ... there is no PEOPLE in Siberia ...
          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 04: 46 New
            +2
            There are still people in Siberia. I live in Siberia. And not only me.
            1. Husit
              Husit 3 September 2020 16: 44 New
              -2
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              There are still people in Siberia. I live in Siberia. And not only me.

              There are many more of us, Alexander, and let all sorts of bloggers and others not be happy
              Ural, Siberia work silently, grinding their teeth ..
              If we have to get up and take Moscow back, as in the 41st. hi
    3. Eldorado
      Eldorado 2 September 2020 18: 44 New
      +3
      Gotland is ours and the Moonsund Islands! Putin is already preparing polite people. bully

      Along the way, the Swedes near Poltava were not finished off, the Scandinavians completely lost their roof!
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 2 September 2020 18: 57 New
        +1
        Fuck ... why didn't they send the summons? belay after September XNUMX - not quite cheerful and cheerful ... but since you need to take Gotland, I'll put myself in order laughing
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          after September XNUMX - not quite cheerful and cheerful ... but since you need to take Gotland, I'll put myself in order

          I think we need to continue further, there is no point in thinking about something that the state of Russia does not need.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 2 September 2020 20: 46 New
          +3
          Volvo bring, pliz, 740th parity, and a locker from Ikea repeat
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: El Dorado
        Gotland is ours and the Moonsund Islands! Putin is already preparing polite people.

        Why, is there oil or gold? Let me remind you that the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago occupies a key position on the Barents-Kara shelf. The economic development of the shelf water area is determined by the concentration of global hydrocarbon resources in the bowels of the Barents and Kara Seas. Well, what is there on the island of Gotland?
      3. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 04: 49 New
        0
        Russia does not need Gotland. You wrote nonsense.
    4. halpat
      halpat 2 September 2020 19: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      There has already been a coup in Stockholm, and a referendum is being prepared in Gotland? Is there a base in Gotland - a Russian military base?

      The Russian-speaking population is known to make up 95% of the population of Gotland. In general, in Sweden 60% of the population is Russian. Dangerous, yolki sticks.
      And 40% of the population of Sweden are Arabs and, sorry, blacks.
      One Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a Swede. The king is also a Swede, but also so ... naturalized, from Bernadotte, that is, from the Napoleonic generals.
      His great-great-grandfather was Jean-Baptiste Jules Bernadotte ... and he had the most enemy tattoo repeat
      How not to prepare here?
      wassat smile
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        His great-great-grandfather was Jean-Baptiste Jules Bernadotte ... and he had the most enemy tattoo

        It is logical. When I make rye flour "pasture", then a week later I have the same opinion. And then it will disappear ...
    5. Civil
      Civil 2 September 2020 19: 48 New
      +2
      Another question, will the Swedes' pensions in the municipal district of the Gotland region of the SNR be calculated in rubles or will Sweden translate at the exchange rate? Will you have to pay more for overhaul and garbage collection on the island? And through public services it will be possible to register in the queue at the Gotland Polyclinic No. 1?
      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 3 September 2020 03: 24 New
        +2
        I believe that in Gotland there is no such fuin as State services ... and they go to doctors because of illness, and not by appointment ...
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Is there a base in Gotland - a Russian military base?

      Yes, if this base had been needed, then the tsars' grandfathers, starting with Peter the Great, would have done it long ago and without us. Let them live in peace, and do not stir up their former greatness.
  2. K-50
    K-50 2 September 2020 18: 31 New
    +6
    Now in this Scandinavian country, the degree of rejection of Russia in the media is probably inferior, perhaps, except to Polish, Baltic or Ukrainian propaganda

    It's just that they are still offended for Poltava! fellow laughing
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 2 September 2020 18: 44 New
      +7
      Well, some of them already answered for Sevastopol and started thinking ... How not to get an adult for Poltava laughing hi
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 2 September 2020 18: 59 New
        +2
        Some kind of contagious hysteria recourse request
        1. Vadim Zhivov
          Vadim Zhivov 2 September 2020 19: 03 New
          +1
          There, on the next branch, we also banged Alyosha ... Or else it will be ... Not the end, they will come up with something else ... But fantasy is no longer enough for this, everything is very primitive ... hi
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 2 September 2020 19: 07 New
            0
            This topic was and will continue to be, ourselves negative themselves will be forced.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 10 New
      0
      Quote: K-50
      It's just that they are still offended for Poltava!

      It's nice to remember how that granny who was raped at 16, and at 70 she screamed "I was raped."
    3. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 04: 51 New
      0
      The entire West takes offense at Russia only because Russia exists.

      After all, if not for Russia .... And here every European people plunges into their anal-erotic fantasies about their failed great alternative history.
  3. sergo1914
    sergo1914 2 September 2020 18: 32 New
    +5
    Morons. Gotland is an island. Methodology - by peninsulas. Dig channels on the isthmuses and you will be happy.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 2 September 2020 22: 52 New
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Morons. Gotland is an island. Methodology - by peninsulas. Dig channels on the isthmuses and you will be happy.

      In such a remarkable case, Denmark has been secured by the Germans for more than a century. And she can't be returned ... Ehma ...
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 2 September 2020 23: 09 New
        +2
        I do not know. It depends on how you look at it. Schleswig-Holstein is the patrimony of Tsar Peter II.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 2 September 2020 23: 14 New
          0
          Quote: sergo1914
          Gotland is an island. Methodology - by peninsulas.

          And the killer (oh, Kiel) canal turned Jutland into an island. And Schleswig-Holstein himself divided it into two parts. Bad luck ...
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 September 2020 18: 32 New
    0
    Well, let them twitch. No army has interfered with training
  5. nikon7717
    nikon7717 2 September 2020 18: 33 New
    +4
    Once again, someone is impatient to recall the experience of a century ago, again a war is needed to solve economic problems, remove competitors, and conquer new sales markets and resources.
    Well, how many preferences for bringing to combat readiness received the generals of the Swedes hi soldier
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: nikon7717
      Once again, someone is impatient to recall the experience of a century ago, again a war is needed to solve economic problems, remove competitors, and conquer new sales markets and resources.

      Well, it's not so easy to conquer the market, some kind of Sweden and some kind of Poland, when the main players are no longer the same. How many players have dropped out of the clip since 1914, and at the moment there are only five of them.
  6. Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 2 September 2020 18: 37 New
    +3
    What else is Gotland, hosspadi? o_O Doctor, give the patients haloperidol ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksandre
      What else is Gotland, hosspadi?

      Yes, we have Gogland, the same as Gotland. Grinya KU, KU!
  7. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 2 September 2020 18: 38 New
    0
    Ty, and Gotland is ours! (C)
  8. Nestor
    Nestor 2 September 2020 18: 47 New
    +2
    Nonsense, of course, but I want to increase the military budget! "Warriors" are the same everywhere laughing
  9. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 2 September 2020 18: 50 New
    -7
    Better overdoing than underdoing. The historical precedents are well known. And then you wake up one morning, lo and behold, and your neighbor sawed off the masalyga. lol
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 2 September 2020 20: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Better overdoing than underdoing. The historical precedents are well known. Something wake up one morning, lo and behold, and your neighbor sawed off the masalyga. lol

      Tell this to the working people of SAR, from whom the Gollans were taken from the Israeli Jews ...
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 2 September 2020 20: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Better overdoing than underdoing. The historical precedents are well known. Something wake up one morning, lo and behold, and your neighbor sawed off the masalyga. lol

        Tell this to the working people of SAR, from whom the Gollans were taken from the Israeli Jews ...

        Will not tell. He has one sand on the BV, it turns out that there are no rivers and does not know how the cities are located there, and you give him such a difficult topic.
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 2 September 2020 21: 36 New
        -1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Tell this to the working people of SAR, from whom the Gollans were taken from the Israeli Jews ...

        Madam, I am delighted with your erudition and I am very glad that you well understood what historical precedent I had in mind.
        So, I talked about this a hundred times, but for you, madam, and at your request, for the "working people of the SAR", I will repeat it again.

        Since the creation of the State of Israel, Syria has sought to destroy it - it attacked right on the day of the declaration of Independence in May 1948. Since then, Israel has been at war with her.
        The Golan (yes, with just one "l") heights is a territory of special strategic importance. From them, long-range artillery shoots through almost a third of the territory of Israel. From here, the "working people of the SAR" have been shelling our cities and towns every day for almost 20 years. Snipers got closer and killed the farmers right in these fields.

        Israel is fed up.
        As a result of hostilities in 1967, the Syrians were driven out of their fortifications in the Golan. There, the "working people of the SAR" held the defensive using a well-echeloned network of bunkers with artillery, machine guns and dug-in tanks on the crests of high-rise buildings and hills. The Israelis had to fight their way up the slopes, through dense minefields, suffering heavy casualties.
        In 1973, Syria tried by military means to regain these lands, but received a very sharp rebuff.
        The sovereignty of Israel is spread over the territory of the Golan Heights. As the saying goes, "What is taken in battle is sacred." I can only imagine what would have happened in our country if all these local "Basmachis" were in charge of the Golan today.
        Kiss pens, madam. hi
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 2 September 2020 21: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          In 1973, Syria tried by military means to regain these lands, but received a very sharp rebuff.
          The sovereignty of Israel is spread over the territory of the Golan Heights. As the saying goes, "What is taken in battle is sacred."

          Perhaps you are right, return at least the water sources, it is difficult to place the firing positions of sniper groups and mortar crews on them ...
          In addition, where is the logic, Israeli Jews threw off the SAR from the Golan, so that later, during the civil war in the SAR, they would evacuate ISIS fighters through the Golan and treat them at home?
          Kisses to the hands, madam. hi

          It's too much, ....

          Everyone will answer for their crimes ... in the name of quasi justice ...
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 2 September 2020 23: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: A. Privalov
            In 1973, Syria tried by military means to regain these lands, but received a very sharp rebuff.
            The sovereignty of Israel is spread over the territory of the Golan Heights. As the saying goes, "What is taken in battle is sacred."

            Perhaps you are right, return at least the water sources, it is difficult to place the firing positions of sniper groups and mortar crews on them ...
            In addition, where is the logic, Israeli Jews threw off the SAR from the Golan, so that later, during the civil war in the SAR, they would evacuate ISIS fighters through the Golan and treat them at home?
            Kisses to the hands, madam. hi

            It's too much, ....

            Everyone will answer for their crimes ... in the name of quasi justice ...

            Water sources? Return to whom? Look at the map. The Jordan and several of its small tributaries from the Golan flow only to Israel. So Nature ordered it. Did not know? There are no other rivers.

            I don’t know who and where evacuated, but the open hospital in the Golan treated everyone in a row and children and adolescents and provided assistance to women in labor and the wounded without asking for documents. Those who were dragged were treated. By the way, there are thousands of your compatriots in the ranks of the terrorist organization ISIS, which is banned in the Russian Federation. Even Vladimir Vladimirovich spoke about this. So in Syria, Russians are fighting against Russians, alas.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 3 September 2020 07: 26 New
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Water sources? Return to whom? Look at the map. The Jordan and several of its small tributaries from the Golan flow only to Israel. So Nature ordered it. Did not know? There are no other rivers.

              Not at all. Again, you are misleading the trusting and kind members of the forum ...
              I fully support the opinion that the true essence is in water. Israel currently draws over 30% of its drinking water from sources in the Golan. Lake Tiberias, the country's main freshwater reservoir, is struggling to keep up with the growing demand. And there is also the Kinneret reservoir. AND loss of springs in the Golan could lead to water hunger in Israel... And they, the Israelis, need it?

              https://topwar.ru/94195-figa-po-izrailski-golanskie-vysoty.html
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 3 September 2020 09: 00 New
                +1
                My dear Roman, already then used very outdated data. And a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since the publication.
                In order to cope with the shortage of water, we had to completely revise the concept of water consumption in the country in the zero years.
                Powerful desalination plants were built using their own autonomous energy sources, a complete wastewater treatment system was put into operation. Agriculture was switched to purified water and the so-called "brackish" (it is not suitable for drinking, but it is unexpectedly well accepted by a number of agricultural crops and fish grow well in fish farms); it turned out to be a lot in underground lakes in the desert. Drip irrigation is used wherever possible. All enterprises using water for cooling are transferred to a closed cycle.
                As a result, 80% of drinking water is desalinated, and almost 90% of wastewater is treated and reused in agriculture. The water consumption limit for Jordan has been lifted. Once, under the agreement, they could use the waters of the Jordan River within the allocated quotas.
                It's time for you to get rid of mossy stereotypes, Larochka. love
                .
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 3 September 2020 13: 15 New
                  +1
                  Once again, I re-read the quote you quoted:
                  Lake Tiberias, the country's main freshwater reservoir, is struggling to keep up with the growing demand. And there is also the Kinneret reservoir.

                  Let it be known to you that Lake Tiberias = Lake Kinneret = Sea of ​​Galilee = Lake of Genesaret. These are different names for the same lake. It is, of course, our largest reservoir of fresh water, but not the main thing for a long time. The water intake from it has been reduced so much that this year it almost overflowed. Therefore, the water from it is slowly lowered into the Jordan flowing from it.
                  Especially for you, today's summary of the state of the water level in the lake:
    2. Clear
      Clear 2 September 2020 21: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      And then you wake up one morning, lo and behold, and your neighbor sawed off the masalyga.

      Oh, Sasha, so the neighbor knows for sure repeat that you and the matalyga don't have enough blood for two, one gets up the other falls lol
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 3 September 2020 09: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: A. Privalov
        And then you wake up one morning, lo and behold, and your neighbor sawed off the masalyga.

        Oh, Sasha, so the neighbor knows for sure repeat that you and the matalyga don't have enough blood for two, one gets up the other falls lol

        No, the one who sawed off sawed off a third to his two masalygs, looks completely stupid, has got a bunch of sanctions on his head, but with joyful cries: "Our Masalyga!" continues to stubbornly shkandybat further. laughing
        1. Clear
          Clear 3 September 2020 10: 05 New
          +1
          laughing Nobody else with three masalygs
          Quote: A. Privalov
          looks absolutely stupid
          a fortiori winked
          Quote: A. Privalov
          with joyful cries: "Our Masalyga!" continues to stubbornly shkandybat further.

          This is a dream! good
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 3 September 2020 10: 47 New
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            Quote: Clear
            This is a dream!

            Meaning: a bone, usually a large and thick animal bone without meat or with the remains of meat. In trans. sense - a human leg.

            За сбычу вичт! drinks
            1. Clear
              Clear 3 September 2020 10: 56 New
              +1
              And, we have already come true yes
              For your
              Quote: A. Privalov
              make your dreams come true!
              drinks
  10. agoran
    agoran 2 September 2020 19: 00 New
    +2
    Tex, I don't understand. Stop. And that Gotland and the Moonsund Islands are not yet ours?
    Fix it urgently.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 September 2020 20: 24 New
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      Quote: agoran
      Tex, I don't understand. Stop. And that Gotland and the Moonsund Islands are not yet ours?
      Fix it urgently.

      And what do you think ?
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 2 September 2020 19: 18 New
    +2
    It should be noted that "neutral" Sweden, almost until 1945, regularly helped the Nazis. If they were neutral, the "Krupp armor" would have turned into iron in 1941-1942.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 2 September 2020 20: 47 New
      -1
      At the same time, neutral Sweden from 22.06.1941/08.05.1945/XNUMX until the morning of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX was an intermediary between the USSR and the Third Reich. Moreover, on all questions. These are the facts. So the Swedes were flirting with everyone.
  12. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 2 September 2020 19: 19 New
    +2
    How does this vyser belong to the section NEWS?? To section OPINION and then at a stretch.
  13. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 2 September 2020 19: 22 New
    +2
    What do they want that? What else would we build a bridge to Gotland? Nafig we need it, if we take it, then all of Sweden.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2020 20: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      if we take it, then all of Sweden.

      You still have a perverted notion of agriculture ... Well, what for do we need their kamenyuk?
      It's better to "turn back" our primordially Russian chernozems!
      Yes, and the "population" of the Scandinavians is like frozen fish, not like black earth puffs, laughing!
      This needs to be thought of seriously, however. laughing
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 2 September 2020 20: 49 New
      +1
      I support! And make Stockholm just the regional center of the Russian Federation. Although, in Istanbul, I have the same opinion.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 September 2020 19: 51 New
    +1
    Gotland and Crimea you say? what What? Good idea, but premature. laughing We have Alaska next in line. laughing laughing
  15. newcomer
    newcomer 2 September 2020 20: 00 New
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    I can even add that there is a version that the first strike by NATO forces on us will be precisely from the territory and knowing permission from the northern neighbors: Sweden, Norway, Finland. Therefore, I am not surprised by their growing rhetoric concerning not even one Sweden, but the whole west. All their provocations ended in nothing but Ukrlanda. The degree will build up
    and, I'm afraid, there will still be trouble_ of stupid parquet generals there are enough ready-made ones, a quote: "kill a couple of hundred thousand Russians."
  16. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 2 September 2020 20: 14 New
    +1
    In January, there was an article about an increase in budgetary funding for the Swedish army
    The Swedish Defense Ministry directly names Russia as a reason for increasing military spending. Indeed, our country is strengthening the grouping of troops in the Baltic direction, and neighboring states view this as a threat. However, Russian actions are far from being the actual reason for the decline in their defenses. Not Moscow, but Stockholm, for a long time saved on the army, which led to certain consequences. In this case, the "Russian threat" turns out to be just an argument in disputes over financing.

    https://topwar.ru/166216-shvedskij-voennyj-bjudzhet-dorogaja-oboronosposobnost.html
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 2 September 2020 20: 19 New
      +2
      So I think that all this is for knocking out the budget for the armed forces of Sweden. If there is no military threat, then it must be invented, so long as the army is not reduced as unnecessary.
  17. Tank hard
    Tank hard 2 September 2020 20: 39 New
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    For the first time in decades since the Cold War, Sweden has brought its armed forces on full alert. The reason is the excessive, in Stockholm's opinion, Russia's military activity.

    Laughing for a long time. laughing
  18. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 2 September 2020 20: 53 New
    +2
    Now we will not squeeze Gotland or anything else, first in the United States in November a civil war will begin. And then, on the ruins of the States, against the States and at the expense of the States, we will create a new order, and take away what we want, including Gotland, Spitsbergen and more
  19. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 2 September 2020 21: 14 New
    +1
    Not the crown swept the Western world, but a political pandemic, or rather schizophrenia of Russophobia. It is a pity that the current disease does not develop so acutely into James Forrestall syndrome ...
  20. bald
    bald 2 September 2020 21: 16 New
    +1
    Everyone is afraid of us, including nuclear powers, naturally the toad gnaws at us. And the little mongrels, and what is left for them, just, excuse me, try to spoil the air, for the sake of the commander, what they live with and with whom they contacted. Fools, sorry for those among them who understand this.
    1. Clear
      Clear 2 September 2020 22: 00 New
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      Quote: bald
      Everyone is afraid of us, including nuclear powers, naturally the toad gnaws at us.

      Yes, Vladimir, they have, no matter what a toad, then certainly the Princess Frog of himself builds yes
      1. bald
        bald 2 September 2020 22: 06 New
        +1
        And what is left for them, they bought the states, and what in the end? To be honest, this is our sin, we did not use propaganda, this is the result, the consequences.
        1. Clear
          Clear 2 September 2020 22: 10 New
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          Quote: bald
          And what is left for them, they bought the states, and what in the end? To be honest, this is our sin, we did not use propaganda, this is the result, the consequences.

          I agree, the states do not spoil, everyone remembers their bombing of both Japan and Yugoslavia. Fear is always frightening. In fact, this is Russia - sheer tolerance. Or rather, toothlessness.
          1. bald
            bald 2 September 2020 22: 25 New
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            I will add, unfortunately, mildness, but all their politics have done us, me, so I was kind, and now I just want to shoot, maybe they were trying to do this, to end our heads of state with conflicts, or even worse people. It sucks, but I regretted when tragedies occurred in the states, now I don't speak out loud and I'm not the only one - I'm glad, I repeat, unfortunately. They brought it, only we will not go attack with a company - with buttons and everything ....
  21. iouris
    iouris 2 September 2020 22: 37 New
    -1
    Under the guise of exercises, preparations for war can take place. Throughout the post-war history of the USSR, the Swedes were looking for a Russian submarine in their waters. To this accompaniment, air reconnaissance aircraft and fighters became impudent at the borders of Lithuania and Latvia. Repeated stuffing of the topic of allegedly repeatedly occurring poisoning with a chemical warfare agent ("novice"), i. weapons of mass destruction are preparation for war and justification for a "retaliatory" strike. This is the same as the provocation in Gleiwitz. In this regard, the indecision of Moscow's reaction and the lack of a demonstration of the state's military might are surprising. Obviously someone is trying to save money, income, markets. This is hardly possible. And here we continue to relax, joke.
  22. RealPilot
    RealPilot 2 September 2020 23: 30 New
    -1
    How annoying it all is! And Putin does not bring in everything and does not bring in troops ...

    But seriously: who the fuck needs you all ?????
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 September 2020 23: 45 New
    -1
    It's easy for the Swedes. To defend Sweden, only
    one place is the island of Gotland.
    Geographically, Gotland is the key to the Baltic Sea.
    Anti-ship missile batteries, airfields and long-range air defense batteries will lock the Baltic there.
    ----
    Of course, I feel sorry for Gotland as a tourist destination ...
    I was there. I traveled almost all of it on my bike. A beautiful, calm place.
    But what to do - the Cold War is in full swing.
    Russia strengthens tourist Crimea, Sweden will have
    to strengthen tourist Gotland.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 September 2020 02: 07 New
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      And who threatens the Swedes, is it really also the USA and NATO?
    2. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 05: 01 New
      -1
      Gotland is no key.

      Your opinion is justified for the warriors before the First World War. Then military equipment and tactics were consistent with your ideas about the war.

      In a new Great War, we will hit each other with missiles and aircraft. And there will be no one to land. Remains of radioactive ash from ground troops. And from the cities too.

      We will burn down Stockholm, Uppsala, Gothenburg, Malmo, Karlskrona among the Swedes.
      And Gotland and Visby are likely to remain intact.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 September 2020 08: 49 New
        +1
        "Radioactive ash will remain from ground troops" ////
        ----
        As I understand it, you are only considering the option of a global nuclear war.
        But even in it, it simply will not reach Sweden. Nuclear warheads (including tactical ones) are not endless. And they will go to the main military opponents, not minor ones.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 09: 18 New
          -1
          The main opponents are 1550 strategic warheads, and the secondary 6000 tactical warheads.

          Secondary opponents also need to be reset. Otherwise, after the cities in Russia are destroyed and the majority of the population perishes, then even minor opponents and former neighbors will be able to kick the weakened Russia. And the Russian leadership, which will hide from a nuclear strike in bunkers and doomsday planes, must maintain a reserve of nuclear weapons in order to be able to continue talking with neighbors from a position of strength.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 3 September 2020 09: 26 New
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            Not enough for China. And if you start hitting it, you can hit back (it has a large supply of tactical charges and BRS (M) D). And a gigantic army - to carry out genocide, having a moral right.
            And the Russian leadership, which will hide from a nuclear strike in bunkers and doomsday planes, must preserve a reserve of nuclear weapons in order to

            The question is: who will follow orders? It turns out that the Russian Federation will strike most of the countries (with your approach). Many times outnumbering trained people and by means of striking. Who and how will keep a large army here? (In a situation where 20-30 percent of the population remains) What is the point for them to fight for a government that cannot save their families? When you can break into relatively safe places.
            The days of this leadership will end under the attacks of anti-bunker nuclear warheads. Or they will strangle their children, for the life they have lost request
            Deservedly so, considering how they set up and threw in exchange people who, it seems, should be protected.
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 10: 00 New
              +1
              The Americans will hit China.
              China has a very dense population. A small amount of thermonuclear charges will be enough for the Americans to destroy the population of China. And in China there is no particularly large army. PLA less than 2 million people - not much for China.

              As for the fate of the Russian leadership after the nuclear strikes, it depends on the leadership whether Russia will survive. After all, Russia reached its present borders under Peter I. And then the population of Russia was about 14 million people.

              The main thing is that if the 3rd world war takes place, then we would not die in vain, but would take with us to the next world many times more adversaries than our losses. Indeed, during the Second World War, our soldiers understood that they would rather die. But they were comforted by the hope on the one hand, maybe they would survive, and on the other hand, if not to survive, then kill as many enemy soldiers as possible.

              I certainly don't want a nuclear war involving Russia. But if this happens, then I do not want Russia to lose in it.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 3 September 2020 10: 17 New
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                And then the population of Russia was about 14 million people.

                And a huge territory nearby, empty, or inhabited by the rest of the tribes. With developed countries that have no plans to attack and eliminate.
                But if this happens, then I do not want Russia to lose in it.

                It is important not to end up hitting the population.
                Point of no return, sort of. And it is important to remember about responsibility to your people, not to turn them into bargaining chips for your ambitions.
                Germany, Japan surrendered, but in the end they did not agree to the principle of "holding on to the last German / Japanese." By hard work they recovered and grew even more. Now these are the 4th and 3rd economies of the world.
                The Americans will hit China.

                It's pointless. To get hit by China too? And more Americans died?
                China is also sure to try to refrain from interfering. (Practical people)
                PLA less than 2 million people - not much for China.

                In peacetime. And even this is more than enough against the remnants of the Russian Federation, in the event of an attack on them.
                1. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 11: 12 New
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                  In the event of a nuclear war, the United States will be forced to strike at the PRC because in the event of an exchange of nuclear strikes with Russia, China will be victorious without exposing its weapons. And the United States will be weakened, and in the future will be subordinate to China. So that this does not happen, the Americans and Russia and China will be bombarded with their nuclear strikes.

                  As for the civilian population, it is they who will be the main target of nuclear strikes because it is the population that generates armies and builds weapons. If there will be no population, there will be no weapons and enemy armies. Let me draw your attention to the fact that most of the US nuclear warheads are stationed on Ohio submarines. The KVO of Trident-2,3 missiles is large, but not enough to be considered a precision weapon. Tridents target Russian cities. The same is with our ICBMs - they are directed not at NATO bases, which will be evacuated from under attack in a matter of minutes, but at American cities.

                  In the event of a US strike on China, the remnants of the PLA will not have an order to attack Russia. But even having received such an order, the PLA will not be able to launch an offensive against Russia in conditions when the material base of the PLA, namely transport and fuel storage facilities, will be destroyed by nuclear bombings. Yes, in the Far East, China has no tempting targets to capture. China's acquisition of the ruins of Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, or Blagoveshchensk will not provide China with any economic or strategic advantage.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 September 2020 09: 39 New
            +1
            Will not work. These plans for "total annihilation" are unrealistic. There are not so many carriers of tactical weapons at all, they are far from reaching and they are knocked down on the way. Do not forget that NATO has a multiple advantage in aviation, missile defense systems and the navy. And in cruise missiles - hundreds of times.
            Russia has a slight advantage in strategic nuclear warheads and a significant one in the ground forces.
            ----
            Russia will be able to destroy large American cities and some military bases. And some of the NATO military bases in Europe are close to the borders.
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 10: 07 New
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              The main thing in a nuclear war is not so much the destruction of enemy bases as the destruction of the enemy's population, radioactive contamination of their farmland. After all, when the peoples inhabiting Western Europe and North America disappear, the employees of the remote military bases of NATO will also gradually die out due to lack of supplies, high radiation in the air, and so on.

              Therefore, NATO's superiority in aviation and in other matters will give NATO only a tactical advantage on the battlefield. And why should they have this advantage when their civilian population disappears, and the same NATO pilots, after a conditional victory over Russia, will die from radiation sickness and lack of food?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 3 September 2020 10: 38 New
                +1
                You're just a villain-destroyer from a bad Hollywood action movie about evil aliens. laughing
                Fortunately for people on the planet, your plans will not come true. fellow
                1. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 10: 55 New
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                  I'm not a villain. I do not want a war between Russia and the West. But if, contrary to the wishes of the people, this war takes place, then let Russia not lose in it, despite the significant lag behind the West in armaments. And Russia can not lose in the war with the West only through the joint destruction of both the West and Russia.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 3 September 2020 11: 05 New
                    +1
                    There is an easier way. Russians are the same white people
                    like Europeans. No different from other peoples
                    Europe. This is perfectly confirmed by the fact that Russians (by nationality),
                    emigrated from Russia to the countries of Europe, America, Australia,
                    after two generations completely merge with the local population,
                    including language and culture and reach the average standard of living (in this country).
                    Therefore, at some point Russia will become one of the countries of Europe.
                    Like all western neighbors of Russia. And stretching from the Middle Ages ridiculous
                    differences will disappear. fellow drinks
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                    2. Aleksandr1971
                      Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 11: 56 New
                      -1
                      This will not happen because the Russian people, from generation to generation, have been developing in their depths a political elite that does not fall under the West. And he does the right thing because subordinate peoples become objects of plunder by the victor.

                      The West has long, since the collapse of Russia, tried to integrate Russia into itself in a cultural and political sense and subordinate it to its interests. You, voyaka uh (Alexey), think that Russia, having submitted to America, will become like Germany or Japan. And I think that Russia, having submitted to America, will become a kind of Mexico, Iraq or Honduras.

                      You yourself noted that the controversy stretches back to the Middle Ages. Periodically, the West, in the person of Napoleon or Hitler, consolidated in order to correct Russia. Now the Anglo-Americans are clearly trying to correct Russia. Russia should grieve the Anglo-Americans deeply in their intentions, as we grieved Napoleon and Hitler.

                      You, voyaka uh (Alexey), clearly want the West's intentions towards Russia to be realized. From this I conclude that you have some regret that the plans of Napoleon and Hitler about Russia did not come true.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 3 September 2020 12: 08 New
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                        that the Russian people, from generation to generation, have been developing in their depths a political elite

                        There aren't as many generations as you might think.
                        Before the abolition of serfdom, most of the people were excluded from the "development of elites", being former slaves (you can sell, screw up to death, etc.)
                        From this I conclude that you have some regret that the plans of Napoleon and Hitler about Russia did not come true.

                        This snippet says that you have a complete vinaigrette regarding the motives of these completely different people.
                        Napoleon did not want to conquer RI at all.
                        He sat in Moscow for some time and waited for Alexander to come with a peace treaty, and then go back and defeat the British and Austrians / Prussians.
                        Periodically, the West, in the person of Napoleon or Hitler, consolidated in order to correct Russia.

                        Don't believe in conspiracy theories and don't read Prokhanov, Starikov and other conspiracy theorists.
                        Read about the background to those events.
                        like Mexico, Iraq or Honduras.

                        These countries are what makes them their people and traditions. And Germany and Japan had a hardworking and skilled population.
                      2. Aleksandr1971
                        Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 12: 32 New
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                        You, 3danimal, tell me bluntly that you want Russia military or non-military, but still defeat in a clash with the West. And then, in your opinion, our salary will be 1000 euros. Probably so good life in Ukraine. And the hardworking population there is growing (decreased by 1/5), and industry (disappeared), and wages, and Ukrainian whores throughout Europe. After all, Ukraine fell under the West.
                        With such wishes for Russia you, 3danimal, will simply be made an outcast if these wishes of yours are voiced not in the internet, but in public.
                      3. 3danimal
                        3danimal 3 September 2020 18: 44 New
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                        You 3danimal tell it straight

                        Don't think it out for me. One has only to question your "dream of a samurai" ("we will die, class, the main thing - with us more"), as at once ridiculous accusations. Victory is not needed at any cost. (Responsibility, there is such a word) Life is not a computer game.
                        Objectively: I see no reason for the NATO member states to attack first. Provide explanations for their constituents for what "great goals" half of them should die.
                        Only dictators or monarchs started big wars.
                        Probably so good life in Ukraine.

                        I have never been, I don't know. I know that the average salary in Estonia is significantly higher than in the neighboring Pskov region.
                        Obviously, they organized themselves correctly.
                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Экономика_Эстонии
                      4. Aleksandr1971
                        Aleksandr1971 4 September 2020 06: 07 New
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                        Victory is not needed at any cost. If the price of victory is the disappearance of both the victor and the vanquished, then it would be better if there were no war at all. This is my opinion and desire within the framework of the discussion topic.

                        We cannot attack NATO ourselves. But if NATO attacks Russia, then Russia cannot surrender. We must fight as in the Second World War to the last man, and not follow the example of France or the Czech Republic, which raised their paws in front of Hitler.

                        As for the reasons to attack Russia, objectively NATO does not have these reasons. Here I agree with you. But NATO and its top leadership in the United States have subjective reasons. And you do not see these subjective moments. After all, France under Napoleon did not have to attack Russia. If Napoleon had not attacked Russia, the French people would not have suffered so much. Hitler, with his subjective moments, despite objective need, led Germany to a terrible defeat. Do you think that the people of Germany objectively needed their defeat in 1945? Or do you think that the USSR objectively needed the catastrophe of 1941-1942? Remember that subjective factors rule the world just as much.

                        A significant part of the American establishment has simply gone mad, and in their furious hatred of Russia is leading the United States and NATO to attack Russia. Although the peoples of Europe and North America certainly do not need such an attack.

                        As for Estonia, I've been there a couple of times. The standard of living in Estonia is not higher than mine in Altai. If salaries there are 2 times higher than in Altai, then the prices for food, transport, housing are 3-4 times higher. And this despite the fact that Estonia is subsidized by the EU. And no one will put Russia on a subsidy from the EU. And the 90s are an example of this - all Western loans were not forgiven to Russia, and there were no subsidies at all.

                        Compare Russia not with dwarf Estonia, where the people won't even have a couple of million, but with Ukraine, where the standard of living, which is already the worst in the CIS, has fallen catastrophically.

                        I can tell you that I am a great travel lover. I have visited over 190 countries, including partially recognized states, colonies, overseas departments and territories. For almost 20 years, I have allocated up to 1/3 of the calendar year (except for the current one) for travel abroad. My daughter is 18 years old and she lives in the USA. I visit her every year. I can tell you that life in Russia may not be the best in the world, but it is not that bad either (although, unfortunately, it has deteriorated in the last 10 years). I am not a supporter of the current economic and personnel policy, I am not a defender of corruption, I do not vote for Edro. But we must understand that putting Russia under the West is in no way possible. The West will not pay us subsidies of 10 billion euros a year, like the Poles. The West has already put us in a knee-elbow position in the 90s. The colossal economic growth of Europe in the 90s is due to 100% free supplies of stolen raw materials from Russia. And the West will try to do to Russia what it did to Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. But only we greatly upset them with our nuclear weapons. This makes the Western elite writhe like devils writhes holy water.

                        But to confront external enemies requires internal consolidation. Having eradicated its internal opponents, any political regime in any country acquires enormous resistance to a wide variety of shocks.
                      5. 3danimal
                        3danimal 4 September 2020 08: 42 New
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                        NATO attacks Russia, then Russia cannot surrender. We must fight as in the Second World War to the last man, and not follow the example of France or the Czech Republic, which raised their paws in front of Hitler.

                        I am inclined to regard NATO not as Nazi thugs, but as "allies" (in the realities of WWII).
                        Do you have a daughter? Until the last person - this includes her too, please do not forget.
                        I have already written that there is ambition and responsibility.
                        But NATO and its top leadership in the United States have subjective reasons. And you do not see these subjective moments. After all, France under Napoleon did not have to attack Russia. If Napoleon had not attacked Russia, the French people would not have suffered so much. Hitler, with his subjective moments, contrary to objective need, led Germany to a terrible defeat.

                        You have not read
                        Only dictators or monarchs started big wars.

                        Point. Hitler was an adventurer dictator, Napoleon was an emperor (official title).
                        Napoleon fought wars in Europe, Alexander attacked him several times, in support of England and Austria. He was defeated, signed a peace treaty (where he promised not to interfere in the future) and again gathered troops and attacked.
                        And the campaign of 1812 was aimed precisely at excluding Alexander from the war in Europe.
                        A significant part of the American establishment has simply gone mad, and in their furious hatred of Russia is leading the United States and NATO to attack Russia. Although the peoples of Europe and North America certainly do not need such an attack.

                        I repeat: in these countries there is no dictator-adventurer who believes in divine protection (like Hitler after the easy victories of 1939 and 1940).

                        Or do you think that the USSR objectively needed the catastrophe of 1941-1942?

                        The USSR leadership did a lot for this. POLITICAL terror of the Bolsheviks, the physical elimination of many commanders in the army and the signing of a pact with the Nazis. The consequences of which could not be calculated.
                        After all, as a result, Hitler became much stronger (by the beginning of 1941) than he was in 1939. The balance of power changed and he decided that he would be able to pull off a blitzkrieg.
                        The colossal economic growth of Europe in the 90s is due to 100% free supplies of stolen raw materials from Russia.

                        You have little idea of ​​the size of economies.
                        The Russian Federation is now selling oil and gas in the region of $ 160 billion. The budget of Britain is 900 billion, Germany is 1200 billion. It is more profitable to sell industrial products than resources.
                        Your position is part of the myths of modern times, they say, resources are the most important thing. But for some reason, among the countries that traders them, not a single one is in the top ten economies.
                        For comparison, take an interest in the structure of US exports.
                        But we must understand that putting Russia under the West is in no way possible.

                        And what does this have to do with it? Who even talks about this?
                        life in Russia may not be the best in the world, but it is not that bad either (albeit unfortunately worsening in the last 10 years). I am not a supporter of the current economic and personnel policy, I am not a defender of corruption, I do not vote for Edro.

                        It is those who rattle their arms, remembering imperial complexes (“when they were afraid of us”), plundering the budget and, for some reason, buying a residence permit and real estate in the “bad West”, where they educate their children, make the lives of people worse.
                        People are fed streams of propaganda about the "external enemy" to think less about the reasons and be indignant. It's a pity, it doesn't work out as structured as in the days of the Soviet Union, there it was possible to oppose communists and capitalists. Therefore, the postulate “they want to take resources” (which we sell to everyone) and “they don’t love us” was invented. Much more primitive than in the old days. smile
                      6. Aleksandr1971
                        Aleksandr1971 4 September 2020 12: 26 New
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                        A very long answer, in which I sorted out your message and refuted all your allegations, I sent you in a personal message.
                    3. 3danimal
                      3danimal 4 September 2020 08: 56 New
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                      Having eradicated its internal opponents, any political regime in any country gains enormous stability

                      Do you propose to return political terror? Eradicating is very convenient for would-be dictators. Nobody will interfere, and the people in their view are an obedient instrument.
                    4. 3danimal
                      3danimal 4 September 2020 10: 12 New
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                      If salaries there are 2 times higher than in Altai, then the prices for food, transport, housing are 3-4 times higher.

                      How long does an average inhabitant of Altai and Estonia have to work to buy Solaris? Prices for equipment are the same / higher with us. My friends order gadgets (not only Apple) from the USA, by the way. Cheaper, even including shipping.
                    5. Aleksandr1971
                      Aleksandr1971 4 September 2020 12: 30 New
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                      It is clear that sprats, and maybe iPhones, are not more expensive in Estonia than in Altai.
                      Do not take only commodity items suitable only for your opinion for comparison.
                      It is necessary to compare the overall standard of living. So - in Altai, the material security of people's lives is higher than in Estonia. The salary is lower, but the costs are even lower.
                      Of course, there are many things that are worse in Altai than in Estonia - these are architecture, climate, location, etc., but not the standard of living.
                    6. 3danimal
                      3danimal 4 September 2020 18: 27 New
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                      Buying a conditional Solaris is also included in the standard of living. And it's easier for an Estonian to do it.
                      There is something to compare.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 3 September 2020 12: 16 New
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        Everything is correct. The Poles did it, the Czechs and Slovaks did too. The Baltic states (Estonia first of all) have carried out corresponding reforms. In the Pskov region, the average salary is 20000, and in Estonia - 1000 €.
  24. Charik
    Charik 4 September 2020 15: 31 New
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    Hollywood usually shoots all sorts of nonsense about evil Russians
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 3 September 2020 12: 02 New
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    What about the genocide of our survivors after such a barbaric war?
    You have not seen any references to WW2. As you approach the brink and lose, you can think of your people (NOT just your friends) and choose to save them.
    Once again: Germany after WW2. Divided into zones of occupation, paying reparations. Now 4 is the world's economy
    The odious figures self-sawed, but the remaining leadership chose life for the people.
  • Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 3 September 2020 04: 48 New
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    Well, the Swedes, just like the elusive Joe from the anecdote. However, they are related to the Balts, in their brains.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 04: 57 New
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    So in Syria, Russians are fighting against Russians, alas.


    Some Russians were sent to fight by their state, while other Russians are either traitors, or Russians simply by passport, and in fact are enemies of Russia, bearded Basmachi. These basmachi are not our brothers, as S. Bodrov said, but black nits ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 3 September 2020 06: 57 New
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    Gotland is, of course, strategically located, a tidbit, but why the hell is Russia now?
    This is all pumping with Russophobia.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 3 September 2020 08: 46 New
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    The Swedes are moving by leaps and bounds towards their disappearance as a state. after the war with us, they lost a lot of territories. Now, it seems, they want to be completely finished off. They need to roll out lawsuits for helping Germany in World War II: ores, bearings, etc. Let them pay reparations ...
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 09: 36 New
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      Russia needs to pursue an explanatory policy for the population in Sweden.

      We must show ordinary Swedes that:
      - Russia does not need war, that Russia does not need Gotland;
      - that Swedish politicians ascribe aggressive intentions that are not characteristic of Russia and, under this guise, are trying to convert Sweden's neutral status into a de facto alliance with the aggressive NATO bloc;
      - that Swedish politicians are ruining Sweden by involving it in a war against Russia, in which Sweden, in alliance with NATO, will attack Russia and burn together with NATO in a nuclear flame:
      - that the politicians of Sweden are ruining Sweden by allowing a bunch of hungry rabble from the countries of the 3rd world into the Swedish House. And this rabble will turn Sweden into the same srach from which this rabble fled;
      - it is necessary to show ordinary Swedes that at their expense the rabble from the countries of the 3rd world eats and pushes the Swedes around;
      - that the people of Sweden need to get rid of their politicians and in the next elections they need to elect reasonable, neutral leaders to the parliament and government of Sweden.

      Of course, simple sensible Swedes generally know this. But our media must make this information mainstream in the Swedish information field. This will get rid of the stupid politicians in the Swedish leadership and replace their topic, who will be patriots of Sweden and friends to Russia.
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 3 September 2020 09: 10 New
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    Sweden alerts the army and fears the "fate of Crimea" for Gotland

    Paranoia is a purely personal thing - but in this case, this pan-European madness is inspired from across the ocean).
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 September 2020 09: 38 New
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      And this inspiration must be fought by creating pro-Russian political parties, public organizations, and pro-Russian local media (not Sputnik) in European countries.

      It is necessary to ensure that pro-Russian forces come to power in European countries; for NATO to come Russia, and that the United States be expelled from NATO.
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 3 September 2020 10: 29 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        And this inspiration must be fought by creating pro-Russian political parties, public organizations, and pro-Russian local media (not Sputnik) in European countries.

        It is necessary to ensure that pro-Russian forces come to power in European countries; for NATO to come Russia, and that the United States be expelled from NATO.

        Totally agree with you!
      2. DeKo
        DeKo 4 September 2020 08: 08 New
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        To the greatest regret, Mother Russia does not care about her children living outside her borders.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 September 2020 09: 28 New
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    For the first time in decades since the Cold War, Sweden has brought its armed forces on full alert. The reason is the excessive, in Stockholm's opinion, Russia's military activity.
    Forgot Poltava? laughing
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 3 September 2020 09: 35 New
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    After the Battle of Poltava, the paranoia of the Swedes does not go away. Either tracked submarines are looking for, then an airplane flew over the island.
  • geologist
    geologist 3 September 2020 10: 43 New
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    They think that their dull cliffs are interesting to someone. The daughter-in-law of acquaintances decided to change Crimea to Poland, but she wanted more and rushed to Norway. Unfortunately for the true southerner, the local climate is fraught with the destruction of the body and, it seems, life in the freest and richest country in the world has failed.
  • DeKo
    DeKo 4 September 2020 08: 06 New
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    It would be better to deal with the emigrants. Stockholm has an area where tens of thousands of Afro-Swedes and Arab-Swedes live. There is such a mess going on. Even the police don't go there