Shvabe holding presented a neutralizer for sniper optics

The Russian holding Shvabe, within the framework of the Army-2020 military-technical forum, presented the Sosna-N system for neutralizing sniper and observation optics at long distances.

As follows from the press release, the Sosna-N neutralizer is an improved version of the Sosna sniper and observation optics detector. The new system was created by specialists from the Polyus Research Institute named after MF Stelmakh on a proactive basis.

The new SOSNA-N device also detects optical devices aiming or observing an object. However, at the same time, if necessary, he also neutralizes them with the help of visual interference - special laser radiation

- says the description.

According to the general director of the Polyus Research Institute Yevgeny Kuznetsov, the effectiveness of countermeasures depends on the distance of the target, but in any case, the entire field of view of the optical device is completely illuminated by intense counter radiation.

The developers recommend the device to the military for setting visual interference with snipers, spotters, gunners of enemy anti-tank missile systems, etc.

Comments

[marchcat]

On the battlefield, if of course it will be, an irreplaceable thing.

[Lexus]

I wonder where the hands grow from the "creators". The XXI century, after all, is in the yard. And here is the level of an enthusiastic Kaldyr from a neighboring apartment, a "holding" specializing in distilling and destroying the resulting "product". That's a "worthy" landmark.

[venik]

Quote: lexus

I wonder where the hands grow from the "creators".

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Hands grow where do you need! And the head too how it works! ..... Unlike some "commentators"!

[Shurik70]

If enemy sniper optics are detected, it is not difficult for the automatics to neutralize them by directing a laser beam at them.
But it's still interesting how these optics are detected. It is also necessary to analyze the picture obtained from the camera lenses. Moreover, the picture is necessarily of a very high resolution from wide-angle cameras, then the study of all suspicious places with the help of a narrow-angle camera ... And all this in real time. How could a computer processing all of this fit into such a small box?
Probably, the box contains only cameras - one wide-angle, several narrow-angle ones with different ranges of perceived spectra, a laser, and a couple of gyroscopes and attitude motors. And they put the computer separately, it can control this box and wire it.
How much does the Software weigh in megabytes?

[Mikhail3]

Well, logically, the system should first look for IR lasers and other rangefinders. This is simpler, and there are more and more systems to help a sniper. Secondly, not a wide-angle lens, of course. Why waste resources on the fight against interference, which is more than enough from a large lens? It takes a few small lenses to create a multipicture to summarize. Due to the fact that the cameras are at least a little, but spaced along the plane, there is a good opportunity for measuring any parameters such as range.
Modern computers are most of all similar to modern jeeps - cars in order to transport themselves, break their units with their own weight, in general, translate good into shit idle. If you do not use all sorts of browsers, ready-made DLL libraries, etc. etc., then the power of an ordinary household processor will be enough for any analyst behind the eyes and ears.
The only thing that is radically bad about this device is the blinding of the sniper. For the burned out eyes there will be not just an answer, but a full-fledged retribution, and rightly so. Why is the angel done? What prevented you from attaching the most common target designation? Do armies lack large and small calibers?

[Shurik70]

Quote: Mikhail3

the system should look for IR lasers and other rangefinders

This is if the aiming system is "active". What if a sniper under a bush with a conventional "passive" telescopic sight? But they are somehow discovered.
During the war in Iraq, I remember that an American tank drove a shell into a hotel room, spotted the optics there (journalists were sitting there with cameras).
At the expense of blinding - I do not agree. One blinded eye - much more humane than the alternative - fire a heavy machine gun at a suspicious location. After the laser, the enemy can also be interrogated. And if he escapes, he will think many times before risking a second eye. And if it is in a city full of civilians, then there is no alternative.

[Mikhail3]

We will have to give up two-thirds of the instruments that snipers operate, especially the "new school". This is already a considerable success. Snipers are detected by a set of parameters taken from the video image. About blindness - ask the blind.

[samosad]

You will never understand where you were blinded from. Where you or your colleagues will shoot. And the second thing. Blinding greatly discourages others from not only shooting through the scope, but also simply observing the leading edge. This is panic. And this is generally good.

[samosad]

Optics are detected by counter glare emanating from the optical system. Any optics has a focus ..., this is the reflection of a low-power pulse from the focus of the optics and the device registers. Only if earlier a sound signal was displayed for the operator upon detection, now a white spot, such as a "bunny", is displayed on the camera for visualization. The system constantly scans the area, sending high-frequency pulses of low-power laser radiation, and if there is an oncoming observation in any optical system, the device will detect it by reflection from the focus. Technologies of the last century, but quite effective.

[Hagen]

Quote: lexus

I wonder where the hands grow from the "creators".

Do you, excuse me, checkered, or go? Do you want a glamorous soap dish with Swarovski crystals? You need this for another resource ...

[Lexus]

Before advising me anything, refresh your memory if it is not "girlish".


This is what the introduction of "clumsy know-how" hastily glued to the accompaniment of bravura exclamations and throwing of caps naturally leads. Tyap-blooper, "and so it will do." Shame!

[Hagen]

Quote: lexus

Before advising me anything, refresh your memory if it is not "girlish".

I just asked a question. What tips, where did you see them? And why compare mild to sour? Do you think the recorder is hastily glued together? Do you have anything to do with them? In Pine, as I understand it, the shape did not satisfy you, so where does the device dropped from 6000 meters? I think that when the device has a customer, it will be configured for the installation site. And now they just demonstrated that he is and that he can do something that others cannot. And to call the device a "shame", I think you would have to imagine something more perfect. Can you?

[Lexus]

You need this for another resource ...

What was that? Give late "back".

The existing types of BUR PI are classified according to the following features:
- special purpose:
- emergency. Designed to establish the causes of drug abuse. All GA aircrafts are equipped with emergency RUR PI. According to modern requirements, this type of BUR PI must register at least 40 AP (altitude, speed, overloads, deflection angles of rudders, ailerons, etc.) and 60 RK (ACS on, Chassis extended, Flaps rejected, Fuel residual, etc.). etc.);
The container with the storage device must ensure the safety of the flight record when it is exposed to shock loads up to 200g with a pulse duration of up to 10 ms, a temperature of 1000 ° C for 15 minutes, corrosive liquids (2 hours) and sea water (5 days). For this purpose, special means of protection and rescue PI are used - a high-strength, heat-resistant and heat-resistant container, buoyancy and devices for slowing down the falling speed;

This is also the SOVIET requirements for ADB. In accordance with ICAO 1970 standards !!! Modern solid state drives are able to withstand short-term overload of 1500g and more! And how, experiencing over 50000g when flying out of the barrel, the Excaliburs and Krasnopoli continue to function until the warhead is detonated? If the device met the requirements, then in order for it to have at least a theoretical possibility of collapsing, the plane should not fall, but, at least, stick into reinforced concrete on afterburner. There is nothing more to break! Not the body and the compound, after all, as in "our case".

I think that when the device has a customer

With this approach, never. If only they will impose on someone according to the order "from above". Ergonomics, functionality, manufacturability - have you heard that? "They are always greeted by clothes." (C).

you should have imagined something more perfect

What? Those. each citizen in one person should be "a Swiss and a reaper", a doctor, a teacher, an engineer, a designer, a programmer, an academician ... and president? All-in-One Soldier? How do you imagine that? I do MY job, and there are no complaints against me! And for my taxes, including other "extortions", all these "Shvabes" are fed by the state, which, if, "God forbid" for officials, every individual becomes self-sufficient, it will simply be unnecessary for a person. It is not surprising that with such an "approach" the collapse of the Russian Federation becomes inevitable. So who are the enemies? And is it really so obvious that you are called upon in the training manual to "overthrow the constitutional order"? No. It's just that the "authors", as usual, issued the "product" without thinking about it either. Thank you, you can not answer further.

[orionvitt]

Quote: lexus

It is not surprising that with such an "approach" the collapse of the Russian Federation becomes inevitable.

Are you dreaming? Oh well.

[meandr51]

This is just a Soviet recorder. He has a hole in the corner, possibly from a fragment of a rocket. In this case, the guarantee will be canceled from any recorder. In this case, the amount of g does not matter. The striking element pierced the body and the board. This also happens in tanks ...

[Lexus]

This is just a Soviet recorder.

Taiwan already in the 80s produced today's flash drives, and the USSR bought them and gutted them in order to put "civilian sample" chips in the SARPP? Bravo!

The striking element pierced the body and the board

It seems that some commentators have the bodies of the skulls pierced, and the "contents" are either seriously damaged or replaced with another "substance" that is incapable of generating thought processes.

[Quadro]

Quote: lexus

This is just a Soviet recorder.

Taiwan already in the 80s produced today's flash drives, and the USSR bought them and gutted them in order to put "civilian sample" chips in the SARPP? Bravo!

The striking element pierced the body and the board

It seems that some commentators have the bodies of the skulls pierced, and the "contents" are either seriously damaged or replaced with another "substance" that is incapable of generating thought processes.

Yes, you yourself are bruised, like Tatra.

[Hagen]

Quote: lexus

I do MY job, and there are no complaints against me!

Submit your work here for review, I'm sure there will be complaints, especially from those like you. Yes, your approval is not so expensive. We're all cooler than the "boiled egg". You can write about yourself "from three boxes" without regaining consciousness.

[sevryuk]

What's with the polymers? Why isn't Putin mentioned?

[Bykov.]

Quote: lexus

I wonder where the hands grow from the "creators". The XXI century, after all, is in the yard. And here is the level of an enthusiastic Kaldyr from a neighboring apartment, a "holding" specializing in distilling and destroying the resulting "product". That's a "worthy" landmark.

Kvadratish, prakish, gut !!!

[Prizr]

It would be very useful in Donbass, where this is exactly what is happening in all its manifestations.

[Mountain shooter]

Doesn't burn your eyes? Apparently not. It just won't let you aim or watch. Humanely...

[novel66]

smears the optics with dirt from a distance

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: novel xnumx

smears the optics with dirt from a distance

High brightness modulated (blinking) backlight. The system also works on the T-90. "Blind" is called, it seems.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The system also works on the T-90. "Curtain"

This is not how the curtain works.
Don't write nonsense. Examine the materiel.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

This is not how the curtain works.
Don't write nonsense. Examine the materiel

This is how it works. Xenon lamp only in red and near infrared. With a modulator. If it worked without a filter, it would be impossible to look at the side of the tank through the optics. By the way, we tested it without a filter. It is with this result. It was developed at a nearby institute ... be a little more creative. And less aggressive.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Doesn't burn your eyes?

Reminded.

[Rostislav]

It is not clear from the article - does the illumination prevent aiming / observing or, if necessary, disable (neutralize) the enemy's optics?
Based on the name, this is the second, but it is hard to believe that it would be a very effective device.

[carstorm 11]

The new SOSNA-N device also detects optical devices aiming or observing an object. However, at the same time, if necessary, he also neutralizes them with the help of visual interference - special laser radiation - what is not clear here?) INTERFERENCE is a very specific word)

[Rostislav]

The result of "neutralizing" [the observation device] and "interfering" [observation] are different actions, what is not clear here?

[carstorm 11]

neutralization is not destruction or damage) to neutralize means not to allow one to perform its functions. visual interference is one way. what is said and explained.

[Rostislav]

Generally speaking, the definition of "neutralize" implies a more serious impact than simply interfering with the performance of a function. To create interference does not mean to make it impossible to complete the task, while the concept of "neutralize" carries exactly this semantic load.
Verbal battles are not important, the device would work normally and faster than them in the troops.

[Hagen]

Quote: Rostislav

Actually, the definition of "neutralize" implies a more serious impact

A shock blow to the retina is possible with a temporary weakening of the functions of the latter. The use of blinding laser weapons is prohibited by international agreements (Protocol IV on Blinding Laser Weapons (Additional Protocol) to the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects). I do not think that the officially presented sample will cross the border of the ban. In any case, in peacetime.

[seregatara1969]

How does binoculars neutralize? Will it close up with mud? Electronic surveillance equipment extinguishes - that's understandable

[Lopatov]

Quote: Rostislav

but it's hard to believe that it would be a very effective device.

It turned out.
And even under the USSR

PAPV was called

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Rostislav

It is not clear from the article - does the illumination prevent aiming / observing or, if necessary, disable (neutralize) the enemy's optics?
Based on the name, this is the second, but it is hard to believe that it would be a very effective device.

In passive mode, it detects the position of a sniper, observer, spotter. There is no way to destroy, they neutralize the work of optics with laser radiation.
Cool system. But I suppose it will not be difficult to calculate it, and to deceive.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Senka Mad

In passive mode, it detects the position of a sniper, observer, spotter.

In active mode.
Therefore, it can be quite easily detected

[Aviator_]

Spread a bag of glass around the position and let this system neutralize them.

[dzuar saubarag]

The refractive index of ordinary and optical glass is different. Therefore, the system will not react to ordinary glass.

[Avior]

what about cheap glasses?

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Avior

what about cheap glasses?

Let it be "buggy" like any electronic optics.
In general, a highly specialized toy, I doubt that it will hang in position like a lantern, scare away.

[Free wind]

Let's just say that now optical polycarbonate is widely used, it is lighter and stronger, in terms of optical properties it is almost like excellent glass. It snaps out rather when using laser rangefinders. Plus, the missile gunner will snatch out the laser beam. The rocket will not fly anywhere. Often the observer looks not directly through the optics, but through electronic screens, then the matrix will be blinded, to put it mildly. When a laser hits the eye, it is not good enough. And about the prohibition, well, maybe he saw enough of welding, maybe the scale got into the eye.

[Aviator_]

Substandard from the production of optical sights will be strewed. I suppose there is a lot of it for one full-fledged sight.

[sgapich]

Quote: Aviator_

Substandard from the production of optical sights will be strewed. I suppose there is a lot of it for one full-fledged sight.

It all goes to Swarovski crystals.

[Aviator_]

Well, not all. Verka-Serduchka is picking up something.

[garri-lin]

More than 10 years ago something similar was presented. There was a pretty good video. The sights from the SVD were placed on tripods. And the apparatus burned the optics.

[Lopatov]

Quote: garri-lin

More than 10 years ago something similar was presented.

http://www.bnti.ru/index.asp?tbl=02.04.

[garri-lin]

I don't even remember. Something like that. There was essentially a box on a tripod. Outwardly similar to LTSU Malachite. Massive and heavy. I scanned the sector with a laser and, when detecting optics, hit with a high-intensity beam. He worked very quickly. The distance is less than a kilometer, but we worked on increasing the range. The trick was not detection but defeat. Journalists asked a lot of questions about photo and video cameras. They were afraid for safety.

[An64]

Quote: garri-lin

And the apparatus burned the optics

What is it like? Optics are transparent glass. How can radiation burn glass if this radiation passes through the optics without being delayed? And then what happens to the lens of the emitter?

[Lopatov]

Quote: An64

it is clear glass.

Transparent?

[An64]

Quote: Spade

Quote: An64

it is clear glass.

Transparent?

Of course, once they look through it

[Lopatov]

I heard that. that even the air is not completely transparent.

[Lopatov]

Are there any disadvantages to a schoolboy who has not studied physics yet?

[garri-lin]

Alas, such secrets were not revealed.

[dzvero]

"Burn" is, of course, too figurative. But due to the micro-inhomogeneities of the material, it is quite possible to reduce the parameters. Try to aim with muddy specks where you don't need ...

[Senka naughty]

To burn anything, this system must be the size of a car. Rollers are of course good.

[garri-lin]

The distance is about a kilometer. The emphasis was on countering snipers. The shit was big.

[MARGADON]

So, in response, a turn from a large-caliber armored personnel carrier, for example, and to the automatic mode of detection and use

[Fibrizio]

Yeah, our soldier looked through binoculars, and he was blown off by a machine gun from his own armored personnel carrier.
In general, it is interesting how things will be from the point of view of international law. If my memory serves me, we have ratified the conventions prohibiting blind people. So the question is.

[Senka naughty]

If a soldier looks through binoculars at his APC, then he is clearly at his

[Lopatov]

Quote: Fibrizio

we have ratified the conventions against dazzling people. So the question is.

No problem.
Such can
"The prohibition under this Protocol does not cover blinding as an incidental or collateral effect of the lawful military use of laser systems, including the use of laser systems against optical equipment."

[Rostislav]

During hostilities, will you remember the convention that prohibits blinding the enemy?

[Fibrizio]

She is remembered in peacetime and is not adopted by non-conventional weapons. Even in the "wild times" of the Second World War, the parties did not use poisonous substances, realizing that this would be followed by their massive use by all parties to the conflict. Likewise, no one in their right mind is armed with ammunition that creates fragments invisible to X-rays. For this, if you lose the war, they can hang.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Fibrizio

She is remembered in peacetime and is not adopted by non-conventional weapons.

More precisely, they do not sign unfavorable conventions - after which they calmly produce an unconventional For others weapon

[zadorin1974]

This is also conventional. And further from the story, when the Koran was written, the roads were not mined.

[zadorin1974]

You Alexander tell this to the Lebanese after cluster shells with needle fillers, Serbs and Iraqis with white phosphorus and depleted uranium. The Vietnamese with pesticides and napalm. The list will turn out to be decent. But at the expense of WWII and chemistry, yes, many used, only modestly, without sweep.

[Fibrizio]

You, too, compare the scales. In all the cases you listed, there was a "weak side". Even if they wanted, there was nothing to oppose them. And in the event of a conflict between major powers, it is extremely important not to provoke the opponent to use nuclear, bacteriological or chemical weapons, otherwise, as they say, "the whole world is in dust" can work out.
And what the white man was driving the Zulu, the Zulus cannot tell, maybe they could not bear the "burden of the white man."
It is also extremely important to adhere to the conventions regulating the situation of prisoners of war. These are all double-edged weapons. Both sides will suffer.

[Quadro]

Quote: Fibrizio

She is remembered in peacetime and is not adopted by non-conventional weapons. Even in the "wild times" of the Second World War, the parties did not use poisonous substances, realizing that this would be followed by their massive use by all parties to the conflict. Likewise, no one in their right mind is armed with ammunition that creates fragments invisible to X-rays. For this, if you lose the war, they can hang.

Maybe you don't need a lie? Chemical weapons were used in the WWII, but little, and then they completely abandoned due to poor efficiency, everyone already knew what it was and how to resist it. Dill use mortar mines with plastic splinters, and for some reason, no one from the United States or the EU is interested in this fact. And so someone who, and we observe conventions - to harm ourselves, we do not have such military capabilities as the NATO countries, there are simply more of them.

[tso1973]

There was also a complex "Compression"

[Sibguest]

"Russian holding" Shvabe "..."
Maybe we will live (or our children already) when we hear in Russian news (example): "The Russian automobile factories BMW and Mercedes-Benz have fulfilled their annual production plan ahead of schedule! Happy New Year, comrades!"

[Hagen]

Quote: Sibguest

"The Russian car factories BMW and Mercedes-Benz have fulfilled their annual production plan ahead of schedule!

Tell me why? To leave early on New Year's weekend? Overfulfillment of the plan was usually obtained in the USSR either from a bad plan or from poor-quality assembly. Once I visited a former relative at the workplace in the assembly shop of a tractor plant. The main thing that struck was the hammering of the bolts with a sledgehammer. They said something about the end of the block, a burning plan, etc.

[_Ugene_]

They do not accidentally neutralize the eye of the sniper?

[synodontis]

Reasoning from the couch. In front of the sight of a sniper rifle, you can put a simple thin glass with a mirror coating at 45 degrees. This will not greatly interfere with the sight, but it will be very difficult to catch the bunny from the sight

[Kerensky]

What about optical axes? The sniper's axis passes through the pupil, the optical sight (the center of the lenses) and abuts against the target (conventionally). This "magic lantern" has its own optical axes passing through the center of the lenses on one of the edges ...
Shall I shoot this box from the side?

[yfast]

How does he find a sniper? Is the laser rangefinder picking up? And how does ordinary observation detect? Glare should not be on a normal scope.

[KSVK]

As far as I remember, such devices have been around for a long time and have been working. At least any SSOs. About damage to optics by burning it is complete nonsense. But the damage to the retina is complete. Including irreversible. In cities where there are many cameras, it doesn't work very well. It's better in the field. There are also systems to counteract this thing. Moreover, they are often quite primitive in the form of cunning mesh blends. Well, in the active mode, it is elementary determined and neutralized.

[d4rkmesa]

I wonder if there are optical systems where the optics are not "connected" directly to the eye? With an electronic sight.

[Polente the Wanderer]

Commentary: "And they put the computer separately, it can control this box and wire it."
Can it really be so?
Should we consider an individual as an object?
How much does the camera and computer weigh then?
After all, a soldier or "object" will have to carry all the devices with him. The cost of this device?
If the object is a building, structure, then how will point optical observation be detected? By chance?
Optical observation does not emit waves unless additional laser sighting is enabled.
Optical observation is not radio waves.

[Incompetent]

but in any case, the entire field of view of the optical device is completely illuminated by intense counter-radiation

and if the sniper is wearing anti-glare yellow glasses