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The network discusses the manipulation of a soldier with the "shank" of a mine at the "Army-2020" artillery competition

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The final stage of the Army Competition "Masters of Artillery Fire" has started on the territory of the Saratov Region. We are talking about a relay program that will last for several days. The events are held within the framework of the Army 2020 forum.


Teams of military personnel from several countries, including Mongolia and Vietnam, compete, including in the accuracy of mortar crews.

The users' attention was drawn to the actions of one of the mortar crews. The video, published by the Russian defense department, shows certain manipulations by a soldier with a 120-mm mine. The participant of the competition ties the “shank” of the mines with peculiar oblong bags. He places two such bags in the area of ​​the mine shank. After that, the mine is placed in the mortar and a shot is fired.

When discussing manipulations on the network, it was suggested that these are not additional charges, but some kind of special substance that causes the smoke from the explosion to turn into a certain color, so that you can understand which particular team's ammunition hit the target or left.

From the reaction of spectators in the stands located at the training ground, it is clear that not all of the released ammunition hits the target.

Additionally, it is worth noting that during the relay race, servicemen move on trucks, which on the route must overcome various obstacles, including water.

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  1. Lopatov
    Lopatov 1 September 2020 10: 02 New
    48
    laughing laughing laughing
    They're actually charges. That is, what shoots a mine from a mortar barrel. Additional charges. There is also the main one, in the shank. Serving for additional ignition. It is forbidden to shoot on it without additional ones.

    1. audigamma
      audigamma 1 September 2020 10: 06 New
      +7
      Yeah, to increase the range of the mine.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 September 2020 10: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: audigamma
        Yeah, to increase the range of the mine.

        You could say that.
        But it is better to reduce the flight range of the mine (after all, you can leave one charge, "long-range"). Reducing the range, reducing the height of the trajectory and increasing the angle of fall of the mine.
        Well, and reducing the consumption of the barrel resource
    2. Fantomchik
      Fantomchik 1 September 2020 10: 10 New
      39
      Yeah. The propellant charge has not yet been canceled. The wildest article for incompetence!
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 1 September 2020 11: 05 New
        22
        What do you want Roman. If bloggers have become the main providers of information? Any stupid organism that considers itself an airship begins to write (emphasis on the first syllable, and even with pathos) about things that have been read or seen from the same stupid organism in a spin. such bloopers are issued by specialized publications and channels.
      2. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 1 September 2020 11: 22 New
        11
        Quote: Fantomchik
        The wildest article for incompetence!

        It seems that Olya Nikitina from Vzglyad wrote an article. She then arrested two terrorists in four cities, then the hydraulics in the plane fell.
      3. Eragon
        Eragon 3 September 2020 01: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Fantomchik
        Yeah. The propellant charge has not yet been canceled. The wildest article for incompetence!

        Well, you all started to make fun of. The article may not be very good, but not all mortar gunners are around. Having served my seniority as a signalman in the Air Force, I would never have guessed that this was some kind of extra. charges with which the firing range is regulated. Well, I haven't seen a mortar in my entire service, not to mention its mines. Only in museums.
    3. certero
      certero 1 September 2020 20: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      It is forbidden to shoot on it without additional ones.

      This is not true. You can shoot without additional
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: certero
        This is not true. You can shoot without additional

    4. fiberboard
      fiberboard 2 September 2020 16: 00 New
      +1
      Why? We fired in Chechnya on a kick-out. Comrade Colonel commanded us.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 September 2020 19: 14 New
        0
        Quote: fiberboard
        Why? We fired in Chechnya on a kick-out. Comrade Colonel commanded us.

        And all the mines went off?
        1. Bronekot
          Bronekot 3 September 2020 14: 59 New
          +1
          Yes, everything worked well)
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 5 September 2020 16: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Bronekot
            Yes, everything worked well)

            Lucky.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 5 September 2020 16: 31 New
            0
            Speaking of birds, and the mortar from which "We fired in Chechnya on a kick-out. Comrade Lieutenant Colonel commanded us"Was it 120 mm sure?
    5. Bronekot
      Bronekot 3 September 2020 14: 59 New
      +1
      You can shoot without special stages, and all the rules
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 5 September 2020 16: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Bronekot
        You can shoot without special stages, and all the rules

        "In that direction"?
        There are no firing tables for the main charge.
  2. strannik1985
    strannik1985 1 September 2020 10: 06 New
    14
    The author is serious? Those. does not know why they knit additional charges on the mine?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 September 2020 10: 14 New
      +2
      Or maybe the author believed that in Russia, at last, they began to use more adequate additional charges for mines?
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 1 September 2020 21: 59 New
        0
        Why add. charges do not damage the gimbal? In theory, when burning, add. charges, emitted gases should act "to break" the mine, push the hull and the stabilizer in different directions.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 September 2020 10: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: bk0010
          Why add. charges do not damage the gimbal?

          laughing
          You will be tortured to damage it
        2. Bronekot
          Bronekot 3 September 2020 15: 01 New
          0
          When a mine explodes, part of the stabilizer is the most harmful, large and indestructible due to which it has a large penetration
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 3 September 2020 16: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Bronekot
            When a mine explodes, part of the stabilizer is the most harmful, large and indestructible due to which it has a large penetration

            The stabilizer, the most objective part of the mine, by sticking it into the ground with almost 100% certainty, you can determine the direction (azimuth) from where the shot was fired ...
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 September 2020 10: 36 New
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      Quote: strannik1985
      The author is serious? Those. does not know why they knit additional charges on the mine?

      Indeed, he could have taken an interest in the subject described. Moreover, in the days of the Internet, running to the library or looking for specialists is not at all necessary.

      And relatively "knit" ...
      I met additional powder for 82 mm mines in "bags" of a special shape, reminiscent of the appearance of the "Grover's Washer" made, unlike others (canvas "sausages" with strings), made of silk (synthetics), which are held on the shaft of the mine due to their elasticity , that is, they do not have "ties" ...
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 1 September 2020 13: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        Indeed, he could have taken an interest in the subject described. Moreover, in the days of the Internet, running to the library or looking for specialists is not at all necessary.

        So he took an interest in his "colleagues", he was enlightened -
        When discussing manipulations on the network, it was suggested that this is some kind of special substance that causes the smoke from the explosion to be colored in a certain color, so that one can understand which particular team's ammunition hit the target or went past.
        laughing laughing
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 1 September 2020 10: 07 New
    +1
    Just a hitch of gunpowder ... without it, the mine flops down to the crew's feet.
  4. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 1 September 2020 10: 08 New
    +7
    Maybe I don't understand something ... Or maybe the newsman doesn't understand something? But these "bags" are kind of like a powder charge .. ?? !! And the number of "bags", the firing range is regulated.
  5. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 1 September 2020 10: 11 New
    0
    Add. charges by changing their number, you change the initial speed of the mine and therefore the range. This is the first approximation.
  6. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 1 September 2020 10: 14 New
    16
    If there was this article on April 1, one would laugh. And I don't even know how to react.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 September 2020 10: 28 New
    +7
    When discussing manipulations in the network, an assumption was made ...
    This clearly shows that on the network often with "smart look and knowledge of the matter" they discuss something about which they have no idea. Well, if you don't know that additional charges are attached to the mine depending on the firing range, then ask modestly what it is, and do not put forward your assumptions.
    1. UVB
      UVB 1 September 2020 10: 38 New
      +6
      This clearly shows that on the network often with "smart looks and knowledge of the matter" they discuss something about which they have no idea.
      Not only online. Once on the "Zvezda" TV channel (!!!), a reporter in a report from a training exercise involving T-80u tanks cleverly explained that "u" means "training" !!!
    2. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 1 September 2020 10: 38 New
      +6
      Yes, no ... It is he who decorates the mine like this: one little white bag is beautiful, two little white bags are doubly beautiful. laughing
      1. notingem
        notingem 3 September 2020 21: 16 New
        +1
        And at the same time sings. The holiday comes to you ....... and so on
  8. loki565
    loki565 1 September 2020 10: 37 New
    +4
    the author of the article pleased, I thought there were no such VOs)))
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 September 2020 11: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: loki565
      the author of the article pleased, I thought there were no such


      В Greece Everything is there yes

  9. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 1 September 2020 10: 45 New
    +1
    This is gunpowder. They regulate the range of the shot. Here, by the way, our "partners" have gone a little further than us in terms of convenience. They have them in the form of plastic donuts with a slot. They are not afraid of water. They just put them on and that's it. Conveniently. Or do we have it too?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 September 2020 11: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Fibrizio
      Here, by the way, our "partners" have gone a little further than us in terms of convenience

      Above is a Russian mine with such additional charges
      1. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 1 September 2020 11: 29 New
        +1
        Then it is not clear why there is no unification. "Cheap" bags for the landfill, and normal containers for the war?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 September 2020 11: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Fibrizio
          "Cheap" bags for the landfill, and normal containers for the war?

          There are also cheap "bags" for the war
          We save a lot on battalion artillery.
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 1 September 2020 10: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: strannik1985
    The author is serious? Those. does not know why they knit additional charges on the mine?

    The author simply decided to organize a "discussion". On the empty place. lol
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 1 September 2020 11: 38 New
    +1
    What did I not understand, what did the author see there? The propellant charge binds. Is it the first time the author sees a mortar?
  12. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 September 2020 11: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: Radikal
    The author simply decided to organize a "discussion". On the empty place.

    You should also know the author's name so that you don't waste time reading it later.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 1 September 2020 23: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir61
      You should also know the name of the author,

      It is unlikely that anyone will be surprised if it turns out that the author's name is Plagiarism Anonymovich Kopipastov. laughing
  13. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 September 2020 11: 52 New
    +7
    it has been suggested that these are not additional charges, but some kind of special substance that causes the smoke from the explosion to turn into a certain color, so that one can understand which particular team's ammunition hit the target or left. What is this "bullshit"? belay What kind of "Dunka from the village of Gadyukino" opened this "news"? fool It is better for such a "dunka" to suck a lollipop than to comment on something!
  14. Recon
    Recon 2 September 2020 03: 39 New
    +2
    Lord, what I just read ... disgrace. VO, I ask you, do not miss this "content" anymore.
  15. Romanenko
    Romanenko 2 September 2020 08: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: "... it has been suggested that these are not additional charges, but some special substance that causes the smoke from the explosion to be colored in a certain color"
    Well, yes, here they are couch experts, they have a mortar, a slingshot?
    Do they have a little idea what happens inside when a shot is fired ???
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 September 2020 11: 34 New
      +2
      only the calculations of the Ukrainian "molot" know for sure about this .... the survivors .. lol
  16. karpusha
    karpusha 2 September 2020 13: 52 New
    0
    I somehow thought that this is used only in the countries of the former USSR. But somehow not so long ago I saw exactly the same bags from mortars, either from the United States, or from Great Britain during exercises. Generally normal.
    1. Vladimir Demyanov
      Vladimir Demyanov 3 September 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      I don't know how it is now, but something similar was done with a separate-case loading shot when firing from a howitzer, which had its own ..mmm .. charm: increasing (decreasing) the firing range + reducing the barrel height, which is unattainable in a unitary shot. And there were also shots .. I will not go into details. And the shank of the mine, he, bastard, almost does not kill.
  17. bk316
    bk316 2 September 2020 18: 26 New
    0
    And it seems to me that either a bot or a child wrote.
    The fact that the author has never seen a mortar is God bless him.
    Pay attention to the ENTIRE article. The paragraphs are not related to each other in any way. First, about the bags, then about the reaction of the audience, and suddenly "additionally" about the cars they drive.
    This is how children usually write in elementary school, well, they just lack the skill to write coherently.

    The second option is the most severe non-intellectual copy-paste.
  18. Grognag
    Grognag 3 September 2020 08: 36 New
    0
    These are rookie bags
    1. Vladimir Demyanov
      Vladimir Demyanov 3 September 2020 11: 37 New
      0
      This cannot be: "Novice", if used, would be inside the body of a mortar mine, otherwise, as shown, it would simply burn out. And, as has been noted more than once, he would not have poisoned anyone to death.