Presented Russian monoblock "Graviton M50B" running OS Astra Linux

The Astra Linux group of companies and the 3Logic Group Science and Technology Center within the framework of the Army-2020 forum showed the Russian compact monoblock "Graviton M50B" with the "Baikal BE-M100" processor, running under the special purpose operating system Astra Linux.

According to the developers, this device is suitable for organizations participating in the import substitution program. It is reliable and provides information security. The novelty is positioned as a ready-made solution for creating an automated workstation for a civil servant. The Graviton M50B monoblock has received an examination certificate from the RF Chamber of Commerce and Industry, confirming its Russian production. In the near future, it is expected to be included in the "Unified Register of Russian Radio-Electronic Products" of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia.

The monoblock is certified for use with Russian operating systems and is suitable for use in organizations implementing an import substitution strategy in the IT sector. Our solution, protected from the point of view of cyber threats and physical impact, is undoubtedly the subject of interest of the Russian Ministry of Defense and other power structures.

- stated in 3Logic Group.

Specifications: Processor - Baikal BE-M1000, operating system - Alto Workstation 9, Astra Linux Special Edition release Novorossiysk version 4.2, display - 23,8-inch IPS FHD standard (1920 x 1080), RAM - up to 32 GB, graphics controller - built-in Mali-T628, drives - up to 2 x 2,5 "HDD / SSD SATA, solid-state drive - PCI-e / SATA M.2 format, camera - 2 megapixels, audio system - 2 speakers of 3 W each, Wi-Fi + Bluetooth (optional), front panel 2 USB 2.0 ports, 1 Type C port, combo microphone / headphone jack, rear panel - 2 USB 3.1 ports, 2 USB 2.0 ports, VGA, HDMI out, RJ- 45, 1 audio port, microphone port.

Options: card reader, smart card reader, optical drive, uninterruptible power supply, I / O port protection cover, power supply.

Comments

[unaha]

The cost was mercifully not indicated ...

[Undecim]

The price of 150 rubles is wandering around the network.

[unaha]

This is the one from "Edelweiss". About the one from 3Logic is still unclear - just presented, but probably in the same order.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Undecim

price from 150 rubles

It's inexpensive, only one camera in the monoblock is already 2 megapixels!

[Terenin]

Well, as soon as domestic monoblocks appear in the offices of the Presidential Administration and the Government of the Russian Federation, then you can talk about the price.

[Husit]

Quote: Terenin

Well, as soon as domestic monoblocks appear in the offices of the Presidential Administration and the Government of the Russian Federation, then you can talk about the price.

It is high time to change everything, why they pull it is not clear!

[michael2000]

It is high time to change everything, why they pull it is not clear!

Because there is no software for such machines, because a lot of people will have to be retrained, because a lot of programs will need to be rewritten.

[Victor Tsenin]

Is there no software for Linux?)

[Husit]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Is there no software for Linux?)

You are right that everything is there, but the lobby that has settled down in all structures in every possible way slows down and vulgarizes everything ..

Quote: _Sergey_

If there is Linux, then programs for it will be written. And for official use and government agencies is suitable. Don't play with toys

That's right, this is the security of the state! Now these new Windows actually completely take control of the computer and that they send there and all sorts of requests, updates .. CHEER !!!

[Imperial Technocrat]

What Windows, what are the messages and requests? Computers of serious persons of the state are not even connected to the Internet

[Simargl]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Is there no software for Linux?)

I bought a CNC machine from the Chinese, and it’s so dead.

[Svetlana]

In addition, for free, they send the control software to such machines at the central house

[Simargl]

Quote: Svetlana

In addition, for free, they send the control software to such machines at the central house

Not screwed.

[AML]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Quote: Undecim

price from 150 rubles

It's inexpensive, only one camera in the monoblock is already 2 megapixels!

And why is there more? Photos in instu post?

[_Sergei_]

If there is Linux, then programs for it will be written. And for official use and government agencies is suitable. Not to play with toys.

[Navel]

The Baikal-T1 processors used in the board (new official name - BE-T1000) are directly produced at the factory of the Taiwanese company TSMC. Read full US control and the possibility of imposing sanctions on processor manufacturing.

[Svetlana]

Yes sir. And nobody makes a secret out of this. They are made according to Russian, that is, developed in Russia, templates. Do you think they bring something of their own there?

[bk316]

Because there is no software for such machines,

And what kind of software do you need for computers from the presidential administration?
And to retrain, then transferring from Windows to Linux is a much simpler thing than it seems, well, unless, of course, to work at work and not play ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bk316

Because there is no software for such machines,

And what kind of software do you need for computers from the presidential administration?
And to retrain, then transferring from Windows to Linux is a much simpler thing than it seems, well, unless, of course, to work at work and not play ...

This is much more expensive than it seems, you can simply paralyze the work of the department, for a couple of weeks, or even months ...
Here, the introduction of new programs from 1C takes years ...

[g1washntwn]

Quote: SovAr238A

This is much more expensive than it seems, you can simply paralyze the work of the department for a couple of weeks, or even months ... Here, the introduction of new programs from 1C takes years ...

I remember that there was only one madam who worked for us, and they still couldn't get her out of the department to retire. And all the reports - only on the calculator, from the monitor of colleagues was obscured by the picture "so that they would not irradiate me" ... They put her computer and said that now only SAP was blown away at the moment.
So it is here. The more difficult it is, the sooner all this "Soviet perestroika guard" will dump the retirement. Talented young people will come, motivated to change - they will figure it out, pump over the hard, and the software, and life, and everyday life. After all, not everyone is running around like Banderlog on anti-national actions and dreaming of money falling from the sky ...

[Warrior-80]

Talented youth sometimes do not really know anything except a computer and toys, then it turns out that on May 9, posters with the Nazis are stamped.

[g1washntwn]

In parentheses, take otherwise you create the impression that you are discussing the whole universe from the view from your window.

[bk316]

you can simply paralyze the work of the department

Of course, a bad deed is not tricky, but you can, for example, contact my office and everything will happen without paralysis In general, this is what people usually do ...

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: bk316

And what kind of software do you need for computers from the presidential administration?

iLinux - with an apple

[astepanov]

I remember, in 74 - 76 years. in military unit 55622, I calculated the flight data of operational-tactical missiles using an entirely domestic Felix-M computer. The most reliable machine, resistant to special effects, lightweight and reliable. You take a pencil in your teeth, in your right hand - the handle of a computer and twist it to calluses. They could have done good things, right? With the collapse of the USSR, the technology for the production of this technique was lost, which is a pity. That would be our officials. True, you can't play solitaire or play porn on it, but this is an advantage, not a disadvantage. And it is impossible to make bookmarks - except, perhaps, mines under the casing, and even then it is quite small.

[Undecim]

Yes, the legendary device.

[Undecim]

But there was also more advanced technology for the rocket men.

[iouris]

If the volume of sales reaches hundreds of millions of pieces per year, then the cost will plummet.

[Husit]

Quote: iouris

If the volume of sales reaches hundreds of millions of pieces per year, then the cost will plummet.

And maybe it will be even worse for Windu .. Many countries will start to switch to Linux as a safe operating system .. Snowden is not sitting here for nothing (he got married even here) He told everything about how the system operates on surveillance and not only the US NSA!
So it’s not in vain that such a shout about this

[Rebe haim]

"... The monoblock presented at the exhibition is a unique Russian development on a global scale, which we plan to promote not only on the domestic but also on the international market.
... The retail price of a fully functional product is about 150 thousand rubles. ... "
said the commercial director of the scientific and technical center 3Logic Group Maxim Balabanov.
He's also with humor.

[Boris Chernikov]

alas, of course, in terms of if ours guarantee security, certain countries and structures come to purchase, but in general, we need to work on the civilian version ... prescribe a two-system system ... install a fixed Astra at the factory, and let the user put the second axis what he wants ... in case games in "Windows no longer works" Astra is launched .. in this case, it will increase sales in the civilian sector and reduce the price in general ..

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Rebe Haim

"... The monoblock presented at the exhibition is a unique Russian development on a global scale, which we plan to promote not only on the domestic but also on the international market.
... The retail price of a fully functional product is about 150 thousand rubles. ... "
said the commercial director of the scientific and technical center 3Logic Group Maxim Balabanov.
He's also with humor.

It will be pushed in forcibly, without competitions and other markets, so this desk is in chocolate. I don’t understand the import-substituted one there, if all the components are due to the hillock. By the way, Huawei is curtailing the production of phones, the TCM refused to make chips for it

[DIM (a)]

If they release it for the entire public sector, then the price will decrease, and programs will be written more cheerfully.
And if educational institutions with their own software and tablets are introduced ... Dreams (

[Berber]

Everything is great, of course. Just the price of a car.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: BerBer

Everything is great, of course. Just the price of a car.

And Linux!

[g1washntwn]

Look at my avatar. What do you have against * nix?

[bk316]

Just the price of a car.

Where did you find a car for 150 K wooden?
After all, if a fishing suit costs 100K, why can't a PC cost 150?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: bk316

Just the price of a car.

Where did you find a car for 150 K wooden?
After all, if a fishing suit costs 100K, why can't a PC cost 150?

Because in market conditions it is not needed like that. It is possible to produce Cossacks and sell them at the price of a Volkswagen. Only a person will buy himself a better Volkswagen. So, for the life of me, they crammed it for 150 thousand? How can a processor using outdated technology be more expensive than the latest? the state apparently has enough money to put this wundervaflu everywhere. I wonder who owns this company?

[Piramidon]

Quote: BerBer

Everything is great, of course. Just the price of a car.

Well, it seems to be said - "for civil servants," and they will not buy for their own money.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: BerBer

Everything is great, of course. Just the price of a car.

Well, it seems to be said - "for civil servants," and they will not buy for their own money.

The DUM people could have forked out of their wages! An example would be shown to others! Dreams ...

[7,62x54]

In fact, it turns out that there is only a Russian processor there. RAM, SSD, mat. board, video card, screen matrix, the case itself is hardly import substituted.

[Spartanec]

I think most likely only our corps)) this is sarcasm. until you feel it makes no sense to comment. no matter how it turns out that this is a typewriter plugged into an outlet.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Spartanec

I think most likely only our corps)) this is sarcasm. until you feel it makes no sense to comment. no matter how it turns out that this is a typewriter plugged into an outlet.

The case from the Chinese is 2 times cheaper. Most likely they import and mold the sticker. Although the sticker and the Chinese can stick any

[unaha]

SSD theoretically could be ours. However, the plates are imported anyway.

[bk316]

However, the plates are imported anyway.

What other platters are in an SSD?

[unaha]

Do you think that the holy spirit keeps information? Or is it a silicon wafer chip?

[bk316]

Or is it a silicon wafer chip?

Why are you focusing on the plate, the memory chip is ours, the assembly is ours and the plate is not ours?
If you are talking about GS Nanotech, the wedge did not converge on it.

[unaha]

"If you are talking about GS Nanotech" we do not know of other manufacturers.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: bk316

However, the plates are imported anyway.

What other platters are in an SSD?

Memory microcircuits, controller. Yes, everything is 2 times more expensive for us

[KCA]

The price includes the expertise of the FSB, for some reason it is very expensive, it simply stops any domestic developments, in order to launch something protected on sale, you need to work for a year or two after that only to recoup the costs of the expertise, at least 100500 rubles per block do it, income 0, interesting policy, buy crap with bugs, and keep ours

[pereselenec]

Quote: 7,62x54

In fact, it turns out that from the Russian there is only a processor

Stickers are still:

[7,62x54]

Forgot the stickers, yeah

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: pereselenec

Quote: 7,62x54

In fact, it turns out that from the Russian there is only a processor

Stickers are still:

It seems, But Father dabbled with stickers. Now he has no time

[donavi49]

The SSD was substituted for import by the way, even the video was recently - GS Nanotech.
True, there is a Phison, Silicon Motion or ASolid controller, and Micron and Kioxia memory chips. But in general, they have already mastered a lot of processes and even mark the chips for themselves. That is, more advanced than Kingston or Adata .

The suppliers of flash memory for Russian SSDs are Micron, Kioxia (formerly Toshiba Memory) or SK Hynix, but it is purchased in the form semi-finished products - silicon wafers... Part of the processes including cutting of wafers, testing and packaging of flash memory chips GS Nanotech performs at its own facilities.

The second basic component of SSDs are controllers, and GS Nanotech also orders these from external suppliers. Among the main partners, the company names the well-known Taiwanese trinity of Silicon Motion, Phison and ASolid.

They also want to make their controller:
Speaking about the SSD platforms used, one cannot but mention that in the near future GS Nanotech plans to release completely unique drives based on domestically developed controllers.


The prices are not open, they do not plan to enter the market, they are sitting on government orders.

[Alex 2020]

The processor -BE-M1000 is produced by the Taiwanese company TSMC.

[_Ugene_]

In fact, it turns out that from the Russian there is only a processor

depending on what you mean by the word "Russian", if the country of the manufacturer, then, as you know, Baikal is also not made here, all controllers, memory chips, etc., too, and if about who developed it, then yes, only the processor
But here the main point is that there are no bookmarks and backdoors, neither in the hardware nor in the OS

[military_cat]

Since Baikal is an ARM Cortex-A57, it was also "developed" rather conditionally.

[_Ugene_]

but there are no backdoors guaranteed and this is the whole point of this venture

[military_cat]

And I thought to have an independent industry in a strategic industry. The issue with backdoors was adequately resolved by an audit.

[_Ugene_]

what kind of audit if the backdoor in the processor, Intel or AMD tells everything about them, they are not done for this

[bk316]

The issue with backdoors was adequately resolved by an audit.

Explain your idea? What kind of audit can guarantee the absence of backdoors in the process of ANOTHER development?

[military_cat]

This is a pointless question. Nothing can be "guaranteed" even with such a conditionally in-house development - the backdoor can be included in the finished topology at the factory or hidden and not found in the source code or netlists of purchased IP blocks.

[bk316]

the backdoor can be included in the finished topology at the factory, or hidden and not found in the source or netlists of purchased IP blocks.

CHO? What kind of netlists? We're talking about processors now.
What do you think the sources have? How they look do not tell? Here you have shipped a batch of prots with docks (command system, interface circuits, well, as expected). The stone was not developed by YOU. Even if they gave you lithographic schemes. HOW WILL YOU LOOK FOR VULNERABILITY?

[military_cat]

Quote: bk316

What do you think the sources have? What do they look like?

You made me very upset with this question. Educate yourself:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Язык_описания_аппаратуры

[bk316]

Enlighten:

God, how everything is running. People think they can just google or read any knowledge on the wiki. A young man, I had at that time 10 years of education as a programmer, 4 semesters took a special course on the development and diagnostics of processors directly from Boris Artashesovich, and you give me an article on the wiki ...
Just answer the question

What do you think the sources have? How they look do not tell? Here you have shipped a batch of prots with docks (command system, interface circuits, well, as expected). The stone was not developed by YOU. Even if they gave you lithographic schemes. HOW WILL YOU LOOK FOR VULNERABILITY?

[iConst]

Quote: military_cat

The issue with backdoors was adequately resolved by an audit.

Well, somehow, yes, with the exception of one "BUT" - to check several million lines of code (as in the "Venda", for example), the problem is still the same ...
A special room, a stand of alon computers, access for personnel and a bunch of legal squiggles "to tell, not to show, and not even to mention ...". And taking into account the trend on "highley like" - uuuu ...

[bk316]

Well, how-bae, yes,

We are now talking about the processor ... Oh, you understand what a backdoor for a stone is, well, the most primitive ...

[strelokmira]

and the verification turns out that from the Russian there is only a processor

The only completely Russian processor Elbrus-4C, everything else is either assembled on foreign developments, or, in fact, is etched in Taiwan

[ivanec]

GPU "Mali" Norway

[Harry.km]

Quote: 7,62x54

In fact, it turns out that there is only a Russian processor there.

The cores there are Cortex A-57, produced at TSMC facilities. ARM technology belongs to the British, all the rest are made under their license. AMD announced the Opteron A2014 back in 1100. Just like two drops is a twin, considering that "Baikal" was slightly cut in relation to the A-1100. Why is this old junk for big money? The Chinese phone for 8 x A-57 costs 15 thousand ... rubles.

[iConst]

Quote: 7,62x54

In fact, it turns out that from the Russian there is only a processor

Well, how - on licensed cores from ARM (early Apple in co-founders), now owned by the Japanese, designed by a British company on the instructions of "our" "Baikal Electronics" (T-Platforms) is produced in Taiwan by TSMC.

Ours or not ours?

[bk316]

RAM, SSD, mat. board, video card, screen matrix, the case itself is hardly import substituted.

Have you read the article? There is no video card - a video chip is integrated on the mother (ARM)

[SovAr238A]

Quote: 7,62x54

In fact, it turns out that there is only a Russian processor there. RAM, SSD, mat. board, video card, screen matrix, the case itself is hardly import substituted.

The processor is also not ours.
ARM architecture is licensed.

Actually produced in Taiwan by TSMC.
There is still no import substitution.

[Revival]

Something modestly kept silent from whose components it was assembled! Although it is clear and so.
What about the price?
Or for government purchases, the more the warmer?

[7,62x54]

Somehow there was a story when the cadets of the scientific unit showed their know-how. As a result, it turned out to be an article from Aliexpress.

[Thrifty]

RAM or shared memory of the device 32 GB? And our processor is only in name, but did the Chinese blinded it for our money?

[Well done]

The processor is really ours, but created using 32 nanometer technology. This is a technology from the very beginning of the 2000s. They say that they did not have time to buy equipment for "baking" more modern stones, apparently because of the sanctions. "Baikals" are different, 2-4 cores, modestly. And for Linux, 512 KB of RAM (!) Is enough. Obviously not for games, if only "scarf" or "sapper". It's more of a security issue - Windows is a dark forest, Bill Gates is a nightmare for everyone, the whole world wants to chip And Linux is simple and open as a frying pan, there are just a bunch of Russian versions of Linux. So, due to its simplicity, this operating system is often ahead of Windows, like a Kalashnikov assault rifle - simple, unprepossessing, but reliable and technologically advanced.

[Well done]

Now I google - "Baikals" are massively riveted in Taiwan.

As reported in December 2015, the start of industrial production of the processor is scheduled for the first quarter of 2016, possibly the number of microcircuits produced will reach 100 thousand. The processor will cost $ 60 in batches of 100 or more. Wikipedia

Quite an old processor, I hope our Kulibins will come up with something newer.

[Buffet]

Well, fish without fish and cancer. Of course, you can't compete with global manufacturers in terms of production volumes and functionality. Therefore, I would like to see fundamentally new solutions and not a repetition of technologies.

[Alex 2020]

Well, like ours ... ARM Mali-T628 MP6 is a graphics solution from Samsung, integrated with Exynos 5420 Octa SoC into tablets and smartphones, which appeared in the fall of 2013. Mali-T628 can have from one to eight cores. The BE-M1000 processor is a system on a chip for workstations, servers and industrial systems. It is manufactured using the 28 nm process technology, consists of eight ARM Cortex-A57 cores and eight Mali-T628 cores. BE-M1000 is produced by the Taiwanese company TSMC. And the rest of the same field is a berry (I think so, wah ).

[iConst]

Quote: Alexey 2020

ARM Mali-T628 MP6 is a graphics solution from Samsung

Actually Mali is a graphics solution from the Norwegian arm of ARM (formerly Falanx). Samsun licenses it in the same way.

[bk316]

In fact, Mali is a graphics solution from the Norwegian arm of ARM (

You know how to google, but you don't understand the topic: learn what different types of ARM licenses are.
So the phrase "ARM Mali-T628 MP6 is a graphics solution from Samsung" is absolutely correct not to find fault.
However, like the phrase "Baikal BE-M1000 - Russian processor", and he is also ARM

[iConst]

Quote: bk316

So the phrase "ARM Mali-T628 MP6 is a graphics solution from Samsung" is absolutely correct not to find fault.

Well, it seems that you do not understand the wording - a graphics solution from Samsung based on ARM Mali-T628 would be correct - so, no need ... Otherwise, it turns out that Mali-T628 is Samson's development. This is not the case.

Quote: bk316

you do not understand the topic: learn what different types of ARM licenses are.

Wow - what pathos! Yes, here's another - why am I scared to understand this? What are you doing with masturbation? And do not care what license - kernels or themselves finished.
Judging by the presence of the full name - they practically did not finish, otherwise, most likely they would have named it in their own way.

[bk316]

Yes, here's another - why am I scared to understand this?

If a person writes or speaks about something, he should understand it, at least at a basic level,
otherwise he is an irresponsible balabol and the price of any of his words is 0. - This is not pathos. This is my position.
On this topic, this means you need to have a specialized education and it is desirable to work in the industry, but you don't need that? Well, continue balaboling and enjoying your picture of the world where everything is built on memes like "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world."
It is very interesting to meet with such individuals in real life, because the matter is usually not limited to processors, such "know and can do everything"

[Free wind]

Some solutions are strange, the headphone and microphone jacks are far apart, many use headphones with a microphone, and the plugs are close there. Power supply option unexpected solution. The Linux operating system is like a foreign thing. Monoblocks are good, of course, but in the event of a cataclysm, let's say you hit the screen with something, you have to throw out all this charm.

[bk316]

The Linux operating system is like a foreign thing.

Like a computer in general, maybe well they nafig

[Revival]

After reading the comments, as I understand it, zilch ...
For that, it is very characteristic and usual

[sergo1914]

Why are the Astra Linux Group of Companies and the Science and Technology Center 3Logic Group showing, and am I ashamed?

[purple]

Quote: sergo1914

Why are the Astra Linux Group of Companies and the Science and Technology Center 3Logic Group showing, and am I ashamed?

This is a question for you, normal people are not ashamed. At least do something

[strelokmira]

What is there to discuss, it is enough to read about the state of our electronics industry at the moment to understand how much this monoblock is Russian

[Freedim]

With an initiative ... And the fact that under-import substitution is so important to start. The Chinese, too, did not invent microelectronics themselves. They slammed, sorted it out, copied the technical process, adapted it for themselves, created the infrastructure and churned out replicas for the whole world ... Well, the goblin is with him, that with quality you can't understand what .. sooner or later they will finish. It's stupid not to do anything ourselves and buy from neighbors .. It's like love in an elastic band: there is movement - there is no progress. (c) DMB

[Fibrizio]

And after the purchase, it turns out that all sorts of MFPs and printers that are 20 years old and which have not produced firewood since the days of Windows XP are not supported by Linux, because there is no firewood on them. And there is a sea of ​​such rare equipment. And why change everything? Go broke. It is also unclear what will happen to all sorts of SEDO, MEDO and similar programs into which the state bodies have injected millions. It is unclear what will happen to the information porting.
I worked in government agencies, where they disown such devices like the devil from incense. Tk the system administrator to organize work on the new system will be hell. And what to do with a server, it works for example (we had it) on antediluvian server Windows. What to run it on?
It all sounds simple, but when you start making a working architecture, the jambs will come out. Especially with firewood and compatibility.

[rocket757]

Heavy topic, I don't want to discuss sales.
if you list, without which in this area, we will not have development, the list will be long !!! Although, it is possible and briefly - in the current system, development is simply not provided, in fact of everything that is happening in the country!

[Vadim237]

And in what area we will not have development - there will be no microprocessors for a citizen of mass-market household rubbish and there will be no production since this requires 20 billion dollars due to the lack of a free market both within the country and abroad, the payback of such production will be zero, only to develop everything for the military in this direction, there is a constant demand and there are no competitors.

[rocket757]

It will, it will not be ... there is a need, work in this direction, serious, is not visible.

[Vadim237]

140 billion rubles will be allocated for the development of microelectronics, it is necessary to create something new, preferably revolutionary, like photonic microcircuits of quantum computers, neural network computers and AI, which, in principle, is now being done in Russia

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Vadim237

create something new, preferably revolutionary, like photonic microcircuits, quantum computers, neural network computers and AI

We forgot to mention the blasters ...

[rocket757]

That's right, blasters seem to be hoping for!

[Vadim237]

Why do you need blasters?

[rocket757]

Where without him. Not in the forest, not for firewood.

[rocket757]

Quote: Vadim237

140 billion rubles will be allocated for the development of microelectronics

How familiar it all is !!!
Let’s turn the rivers back, let’s turn the planet over, and let’s fly to the sun!?!?!?
Only before there was a BASE, even for these bad projects / decisions! In the USSR, nothing was allowed to flow!
Now, there are plans, it seems, and there is a deny, as it were, they have allocated! Do you think a decent result will be ???
I really doubt, I'm not the only one, that the case will be ... not criminal, of course!
Business will not work, because high-quality PREPARATION is not even half the battle, but ..... in general, it is clear. We will have to start at school and further down the list ... calmly, systematically, SYSTEMICALLY! Yes, still such a simple, unpretentious, STAFF SOLVES EVERYTHING ... almost everything!

[Vadim237]

Let's just stop whining.

[rocket757]

Well, yes ... one country is already "not about whining", now let's get what's left "not about noy" and everything will be tick-tock, probably.
Fresh giving, but the result is somehow sour.

[Husit]

Quote: rocket757

Heavy topic, I don't want to discuss sales.
if you list, without which in this area, we will not have development, the list will be long !!! Although, it is possible and briefly - in the current system, development is simply not provided, in fact of everything that is happening in the country!

It's a tough topic, I agree, but we'll have to do it differently and then we'll regret it .. The main thing is not to let Chubais into this business otherwise the money will go into a black hole under his sly smile ..
Our new prime minister, by the way, is well versed in computer science and is unlikely to drive money into bullshit. It's time to end these Windos There are already such incomprehensible requests and exchanges .. I think his initiative! This is already the country's security at stake

[rocket757]

How can we wish! This is a complex business, time consuming and resource consuming. From the bay, floundering will not work, it was necessary to start ... from the school bench! After all, you won't be able to just buy everything you need, NOT IN OUR CASE!
And the sales market, about which they like to talk so much, WILL BE! If we work for the future, and do not follow the leaders in the tail!

[Husit]

Quote: rocket757

And the sales market, about which they like to talk so much, WILL BE! If we work for the future, and do not follow the leaders in the tail!

That's right, Victor! ..The lobby is very strong in the West .. And something domestic is not allowed if it competes with the West ...
I understand a little about this and the horror of what is going on ... Mishustin fumbles in this business and thinks he will sell domestic, albeit not very best, but our sysadmins and proggers will set everything up, even with mats and tambourines, but they will do it as expected ..

[rocket757]

I served, then worked in the electronics industry, until it collapsed, now also in the IT sphere ... I remember how it was then and I see what it is now.
The replacement of equipment, hardware and software is taking place at a cosmic speed !!! There will always be a place for OUR equipment and technologies, if it is up to par! And if a little ahead, so it will go with a whistle ...
BUT, it was necessary to start from school and it should have been done the day before yesterday, because it itself will not work!
So, the question is about State policy in this extremely important area ... business, here, will not solve anything.
A good example, China! Prut will continue to develop, in many ways ahead of everyone.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: rocket757

And the sales market, about which they like to talk so much, WILL BE! If we work for the future, and do not follow the leaders in the tail!

To work for the future, you must have a modern infrastructure, starting with the simplest home computer. So that a kid who is smart enough can develop on the most modern technology since childhood ..
And so on increasing.
He should always be on the crest of the latest wave.
And there must be hundreds of thousands of such guys in order for a thousand to enter institutes, where the teachers must be exactly the same, on the crest of the most modern technology.
And only then, after a few years, it will be possible to find about five modern specialists.

Which, in turn, should have specific tasks.
Which must be in demand and competitive.

Only in this case, maybe half will have an understanding of what perspective is in what he does ...

Now this is unrealistic.
All smart guys in IT are really caught in their first courses and are offered work in Western companies, even during training. Without waiting...

[rocket757]

Quote: SovAr238A

It's unreal now

It is always real when in the state structures of management, development, control, STATE HUSBANDS WORK, and not any, different .... one-day managers.

[7,62x54]

Bad name for the processor. Lake Baikal has been feeling bad in recent years. It was necessary to name the processor Bogatyr, and the operating system Rus. And be sure to consecrate with holy water

[Husit]

Now all will be vulgarized by the scavengers ..! But the caravan is still going ..

[iouris]

Quote: Husit

But the caravan is still going ..

"Tell me, caravaneer, when will the water-ah ...?"

[Husit]

Quote: iouris

Quote: Husit

But the caravan is still going ..

"Tell me, caravaneer, when will the water-ah ...?"

Uchkuduk, three wells ...
P / S / By the way, there were uranium mines on Uchkuduk and the KGB tried not to broadcast this song (secrecy) But about the three wells of the ancients, it's true!

[purple]

Quote: Free Wind

The Linux operating system is like a foreign thing.

Thank you ... neighing heartily

[purple]

Quote: Fibrizio

And after the purchase, it turns out that all sorts of MFPs and printers that are 20 years old and which have not produced firewood since the days of Windows XP are not supported by Linux, because there is no firewood on them.

See the dilettante at once

[zwlad]

And what exactly is he wrong about? Or is the entire periphery the freshest in government agencies? Or will the system administrator write drivers? Out of duty?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: purple

Quote: Fibrizio

And after the purchase, it turns out that all sorts of MFPs and printers that are 20 years old and which have not produced firewood since the days of Windows XP are not supported by Linux, because there is no firewood on them.

See the dilettante at once

And he wrote the truth ...
How often did you supply equipment to government agencies?
Not, of course, if you completely change all ministries In government contracts, and then, a couple of years later, we read about corrupt plantings for a government contract for the supply of equipment and punitive collusion, then it's easier for you ...

[g1washntwn]

Quote: SovAr238A

How often did you supply equipment to government agencies?

In the case of import substitution, everything is much simpler. In Russia, there are not so many manufactures capable of supplying, for example, item No. 123.4.5 for the Su-57 or T-14, and the issue of corruption disappears by itself.

[purple]

Quote: Fibrizio

Tk the system administrator to organize work on the new system will be hell. And what to do with a server, it works for example (we had it) on antediluvian server Windows. What to run it on?

well depends on the sysadmin, the normal will do everything, and will not whine

[Husit]

Quote: purple

well depends on the sysadmin, the normal will do everything, and will not whine

I agree, with a tambourine, but he will, the main thing is not to interfere .. This is a matter of principle!

[zwlad]

The normal one will say go to the center and leave for another place. Fortunately, there is a demand for literate people.

[Husit]

Quote: zwlad

The normal one will say go to the center and leave for another place. Fortunately, there is a demand for literate people.

And the abnormal (which in Russia there is with soul and principles) will do everything and for free .. I’m one of those and there are many in Russia there are still such .. In Moscow, of course.
By the way, the military-industrial complex of Russia is kept at the level of the "abnormal" educators of the USSR!
And your normal and exceptional nothing can oppose us with a trillion-dollar military and scientific budget .. Understandably "smart guy" Get out of Russia! And do not fig whine here whining ..

[zwlad]

About how!
Why would I blame it?
And yes. Who am I screaming at?
I just expressed my point of view. Nobody needs a bare axle. It must be supplemented. Soft, drivers. And not as we usually do. Here's the iron for you to work tomorrow. And where you will find all the software and firewood for the authorities violet. And so that it works as before in Windows. It's so used to it.
By the way, the minus is not mine.

[usr01]

Astr'u I drove .... (true for "civilian" and school use) - a wretched sight
In terms of the kernel and software, it seems that everything is the same ... So it will not be mastered ...

[Jack O'Neill]

Baikal is built on a licensed ARM core, RAM from Micron. OS is the Linux kernel.
Well, that's better than nothing.

[bk316]

RAM from Micron.

Oh is it? And what's the difference from whom there is dim, do you know when buying a MacBook?

And about the AWP ...
Samsung is it whose Korean?
And whose xiaomi are Chinese?
How is it that there is the same ARM license?

[Jack O'Neill]

Oh is it? And what's the difference from whom there is dim

Great when it is stated that the monoblock is Russian, and there is nothing Russian.

Do you know when you buy a MacBook?

Hynix
But you can expand it even with Samsung.

[bk316]

Great when it is stated that the monoblock is Russian, and there is nothing Russian.

There the processor and, accordingly, the chipset is Russian.
I repeat, you do not say that the Samsung is Japanese and the Apple is Chinese? Religion does not allow?

[Jack O'Neill]

There the processor and, accordingly, the chipset is Russian.

Ours there is only a license to use the Cortex-A57. The core itself is not Russian, but a percentage is produced at TSMC capacities, since we cannot work in 32nm, only in 65nm.

I repeat, you do not say that the Samsung is Japanese and the Apple is Chinese? Religion does not allow?

Apple uses ARM kernels as well as Samsung.

[bk316]

Ours there is only a license to use the Cortex-A57.

Do you understand the difference between a core license and a processor lithography kit?
Do you think AWP issues kernel lyography?

[Jack O'Neill]

Do you understand the difference between a core license and a processor lithography kit?
Do you think AWP issues kernel lyography?

And what is the license for the air? The license entitles the office (which acquired the license) to produce and generally do anything specifically with this kernel.

[keeper03]

Well, will we soon cut off the oxygen for Gates ?!

[APASUS]

Processor - Baikal BE-M1000,

Something that gave me nothing at all, where is the clock purity of this miracle of technology?

[Jack O'Neill]

Something that gave me nothing at all, where is the clock purity of this miracle of technology?

[APASUS]

Thank ! So there is nothing special, an ordinary device

[Jack O'Neill]

Thank ! So there is nothing special, an ordinary device

Most have more powerful smartphones.

[APASUS]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Most have more powerful smartphones.

As far as I understand, the value of this device lies only in the fact that it is produced in Russia, although the Baikal processor itself is produced in my Taiwan.

[Jack O'Neill]

As far as I understand, the value of this device lies only in the fact that it is produced in Russia, although the Baikal processor itself is produced in my Taiwan.

In Taiwan, it is produced, like the top Elbrus.

[AML]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Most have more powerful smartphones.

As far as I understand, the value of this device lies only in the fact that it is produced in Russia, although the Baikal processor itself is produced in my Taiwan.

Ahh, ifon is assembled in china. Don't disgrace yourself with this cheap thing. Yes, if anything on iPhones, Russian glasses. Something like this.

[bk316]

where clock hиHow much is this miracle of technology?

Thank you cheer up.

[zwlad]

Even if it is not all ours, the process is going on. And it is right!

[Kaw]

About Baikal processors

[Maratus]

funny, I remember that 1000 pieces were delivered, but I didn't know what was in the RF Ministry of Defense
3LODGIC employee

[opuonmed]

Arm percent mobile) A57 cores with a frequency of up to 1.5 bought in the west and redone)

[AML]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Is there no software for Linux?)

The problem is not that there is no software. The problem is to iterate over the source code in the presence of bookmarks. The Germans used to be dung with Suse too

[AML]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Something that gave me nothing at all, where is the clock purity of this miracle of technology?

And what will the clock speed tell you? In the not too distant time, when the Intels went beyond a gigahertz, the powerPC was running at 250MHz and hardly anyone could call it braking.

[balabol]

A couple of comments on the equipment presented.
1. The cost of 150 thousand (including software and certification for use in the Ministry of Defense) is not great. At the moment, in order to get a certified AWP out of an average car, you need to do a lot, which will increase the price by 2-3 times.
2. If you use the specified equipment to process even chipboard information (otherwise why fence a garden - civilian equipment will cope with the usual tasks), you need to remove the network port from RJ 45 and immediately install optical network ports.
3. I would like to see who will be allowed to climb into the MO network with their flash drive. Remove USB ports. Leave 1 pc.
4. The access system - card readers - should not be connected to USB ports, but put into the case.
5. Shield the housing. All devices under the screen.
6. In general, it is correct to put your tested and maximally simplified processor into the AWS (they have the highest probability of bookmarks). Oak software with a minimum of functions, tested to the last bit, is also the right step.
7. For now, this is a layout showing the capabilities of the equipment. If MO decides to use this in any system, special people will tell the developers what needs to be fixed.

[Vadim237]

MO already has rugged laptops.

[g1washntwn]

If anything, a field computer is one thing, but in any basement under the signboard "Smartphone Repair" there may be a secret production or research institutes that also work on contracts with the Ministry of Defense. It is for them that it is intended not to feed any CIA with free bytes.

[JD1979]

Options: card reader, smart card reader, optical drive, uninterruptible power supply, I / O port protection cover, power supply unit.

What a twist)). It's like in a car, a fuel tank is optional)).

[Mimino]

I have vague doubts. I am sure that for the cost of this miracle, you can buy a dozen ordinary machines on AMD and Intel. This is what I mean. All of these disposable items that do not go into mass production will be fabulously expensive. Enough already showing, it's time to do.

[Nastia makarova]

it will always be more expensive than any product in China, then it can not do it at home but buy everything?

[Narak-zempo]

STALKER 2 will go on it?

[Zaurbek]

With modern weapons, machine tools, power plants ... there is no choice but to ask about the price. Now every piece of iron with a motor has a connection with Net and receives updates, is diagnosed and can be blocked at any time. Meat grinders (at meat processing plants) are blocked for late lease payments.

[UltraRed]

1. Drivers for Linux for ancient peripherals are much easier to find than for Windows 10 (as a rule, there are none at all ... :)).
2. If the administrator knows only Windows, - f-furnace of such an administrator.
3. All sorts of "special programs" for "special iron", as a rule, are written for XP, they are quite simple and work great under wine (Quite personal experience ..... :)).
4. If "Baikal - M" is not Russian, then why are all other processors based on ARM architecture considered national? Samsung - Korean, Apple - American, Huawei - Chinese ......?
5. In "Baikal-M", by the way, there are many features that distinguish it from similar ARM stones for single-board solutions.
6. Alt Linux has the 5th repository in the world in terms of the number of packages (programs ..... :)).
7. The PRC is transferring the entire public sector to the ARM architecture (percent of Kung Fung from Huawei).
.

[Zaurbek]

From the position of the PRC, this should be done yesterday. And the production of iron is everything and the sale within the country is enormous. They just don't have their own processors and OS. Than they are hammered now. In Baikal, the architecture is not an ARM ... its own. Moreover, the Americans recognize it as Russian.

[bk316]

They wrote everything correctly. People simply do not understand what an ARM license is and, moreover, what a processor architecture is. Well, most of those commenting here generally have a very distant idea about processors.

[Vadim237]

In the contracts, all these disconnections on the remote control are spelled out.

[Zaurbek]

I am writing ... for late payment. And if this is a 5-coordinate machine in the defense industry and suddenly there were US sanctions? Will this treaty help much?