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The RCC told about the reasons for the failure of the launch into orbit of two satellites "Resurs-P"

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The RCC told about the reasons for the failure of the launch into orbit of two satellites "Resurs-P"

Roskosmos is unable to launch the next two Resurs-P Earth observation satellites into orbit, the dispatch is once again postponed. The reason is the lack of components for spacecraft. This was announced by Dmitry Baranov, General Director of the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RSC) (part of Roscosmos).


According to Baranov, the launches of the fourth and fifth Resource-P satellites are planned for 2021-2022, although initially they were supposed to be sent into orbit in 2018-2019, after three the first spacecraft of this type. The reason is the lack of components produced by third parties.

The Director General of the RCC clarified that the fourth Resurs-P satellite is almost ready for electrical tests at the control and test station, the fifth will be ready for them in early 2021, but he would not predict the timing of their launch.

I would not predict anything about the launch dates

- said Baranov.

At the beginning of this year, the Progress RCC said that according to the most pessimistic forecasts, the launch of the fourth Resource-P satellite could take place in November 2021. According to the representative of the RCC, Lev Shilov, in the case of the delivery of high-speed radio line equipment in the summer of 2020, the launch will be possible in the first quarter of 2021, but apparently the delivery never happened.

"Resurs-P" - Earth remote sensing spacecraft. Currently, two satellites of this type are operating in orbit.
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  1. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 31 August 2020 10: 00 New
    +4
    Effective managers have once again proven their inadequacy.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 August 2020 10: 11 New
      +1
      The reason is the lack of components for spacecraft.

      And what is the reason for the lack of components? In other words, the chain of reasons must be displayed to the end and the surname must be found out. Otherwise, the mess cannot be eradicated .. These are really "effective managers" in business ..
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 31 August 2020 10: 25 New
        +1
        The main thing is that salaries are regularly received, they master the budget.
      2. slipped
        slipped 31 August 2020 10: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        The reason is the lack of components for spacecraft.

        What is the reason for the lack of components?


        A very simple reason - they need to be done. It was the delays in the delivery of new equipment that moved the launch of satellites. Earlier on the Resurs-P satellites, there was a failure of equipment in its early version. Now everything has been corrected there, but the new satellites should work without such failures.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 31 August 2020 11: 29 New
        +9
        Quote: Svarog
        What is the reason for the lack of components?

        I, too, often deliver parcels from "Aliexpress" with delays. Sometimes they don't come at all. laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 31 August 2020 14: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Piramidon
          I, too, often deliver parcels from "Aliexpress" with delays. Sometimes they don't come at all.

          And how does this affect the development of the country? Or do you already associate the RCC with aliexpress? wassat This is how everything degrades with us, including the understanding of what is happening ...
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 31 August 2020 16: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            Or do you already associate the RCC with aliexpress?

            Who knows where they get the components?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 31 August 2020 16: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Svarog
              Or do you already associate the RCC with aliexpress?

              Who knows where they get the components?

              Well, yes laughing wassat
      4. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 31 August 2020 12: 25 New
        +9
        The damned Anglo-Saxons don't sell them. They say sanctions. And the Chinese, which we re-stick the nameplates, are either bad, or only in the project.
      5. vadim dok
        vadim dok 31 August 2020 14: 36 New
        +1
        The Anglo-Saxons simply do not sell the Russian Federation and the whole answer!
      6. senima56
        senima56 31 August 2020 15: 38 New
        +3
        “Every accident has a surname, name and position!” - Kaganovich. good
        Previously, enterprises were run by engineers who have gone all the way from foreman to director. And now the "menagery", who run a hairdresser or an aircraft factory .... fool
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 31 August 2020 23: 44 New
          0
          And now the "menagery", who run a hairdresser or an aircraft factory ....

          I call them "horizontal managers"
        2. nalogoplatelschik
          nalogoplatelschik 1 September 2020 11: 42 New
          0
          You know, I work in production. We make a rocket, air-to-air. I feel like a professor, even though I'm not. I grieve about this.
      7. DominickS
        DominickS 31 August 2020 18: 02 New
        +1
        What is the reason for the lack of components?

        A parcel from Aliexpress at the border is frozen.
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 31 August 2020 10: 13 New
      15
      The reason is the lack of components produced by third parties.

      How diplomatically they wrote about the lack of their own element base and sanctions.
      1. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 31 August 2020 11: 34 New
        +1
        Yes, this is the effect of "useful" sanctions. Making something, setting up production is not sitting at the table in a circle of "effective managers" with the development of PR speeches about projects such as "creating 25 million high-tech jobs", "doubling the country's air force", "raising average salaries to 2500 dollars-euros" , "each family will live in an apartment of at least 100 sq. m" and other nonsense.
      2. nalogoplatelschik
        nalogoplatelschik 1 September 2020 11: 46 New
        +2
        Sanctions are nonsense. They are easy to get around. No industrial base. In fact, a new industrialization policy is needed.
    3. rich
      rich 31 August 2020 11: 31 New
      0
      Effective managers have once again proved their professional unsuitability

      And if you try to "dilute" the effective managers of the ROC with effective managers of the ROC recourse
      Maybe then, with God's help, something will work out?))))
      1. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 31 August 2020 12: 04 New
        +4
        Yes, we need to build a dozen more churches, maybe it will help. And to increase the degree of "tightness" in the media, it also helps, they say. The main thing is not to forget that there are enemies all around who constantly interfere with "effective managers" "a la Rogozin and Co. and" patriotically oriented entrepreneurs "(kudringreffsechinmillerderipaskarottenberg, etc.)" to build a competitive, modern, based on the 4th technological order, economy .... yachts themselves the size of an aircraft carrier of the Second World War, they have already learned to build, the matter remains small.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 31 August 2020 12: 23 New
        12
        And if you try to "dilute" the effective managers of the ROC with effective managers of the ROC

        My compliments, dear Dmitry! hi

        Isn't it already? Weighty orders for the "consecration" of everyone and everything. "Blissful" names, like, "... west" of something. To hell with science - "confessor", according to officials, is much more powerful than any launch vehicle, and, I believe, "more effective" and more capacious in terms of "payload". It’s not funny already.


        Well! It remains only to attach a grandiose purse of cosmic proportions with a pretentious slogan - "For the construction of temples on the Moon, Mars and in other galaxies," for example.

        Maybe then with God's help something will work out?))))

        In gutting the treasury and the pockets of citizens, the "celestials" are still superbly managed themselves. Why do they need an "extra mouth"? Or, "God forbid," an intractable AUDITOR? "Apolitical, you argue, I swear, honestly." (C) You, this, drop it.smile
        1. slipped
          slipped 31 August 2020 13: 25 New
          -2
          Quote: lexus
          Maybe then with God's help


          Oh, again, fotojab lovers appeared laughing You work clumsy - this time you can see everything. lol
        2. rich
          rich 31 August 2020 15: 40 New
          +1
          "For the construction of temples on the Moon, Mars and other galaxies"

          laughing good
  2. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 31 August 2020 10: 03 New
    +5
    Shame. What else can you say. One only remained in orbit, having outlived the warranty period. The second is not clear how much a worker. A year and a half after the breakdown, it somehow worked.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 31 August 2020 10: 11 New
      -3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Shame. What else to say.

      yes not ... comrade "Zyablintsev" and so on, right now they will prove that this is a "breakthrough" and "getting up from his knees", but rogozineniy.together
      with son.
    2. slipped
      slipped 31 August 2020 10: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Shame. What else can you say. One only remained in orbit, having outlived the warranty period. The second is not clear how much a worker. A year and a half after the breakdown, it somehow worked.


      Two satellites of the Resurs-P type are now in operation. Send great photos: laughing

      1. donavi49
        donavi49 31 August 2020 11: 32 New
        +7
        Well, it's hard to compare the possibilities here. Resources - 70cm in panchrome and 3-4 meters in multispectrum. And after the sanctions, the satellites cannot finish, moving the dates.


        American private traders at the 6 year old WorldView-3 "25 cm panchromatic and 100 cm (39 in) multispectral ground sample distance (GSD)"




        And from next year, they will begin to launch a new generation of satellites - Legion, they bought 6 launches.
        1. slipped
          slipped 31 August 2020 12: 06 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          And from next year, they will begin to launch a new generation of satellites - Legion, they bought 6 launches.


          But WorldView-4 is broken. Satellite costing much more than Resource-P laughing

          We will have more remote sensing satellites this year.
          1. Cat Kuzya
            Cat Kuzya 31 August 2020 12: 13 New
            0
            Photos are different. Maybe the photo of a rusty Russian aircraft carrier is the reason. hi (joke):
  3. svp67
    svp67 31 August 2020 10: 25 New
    0
    This was announced by Dmitry Baranov, General Director of the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RSC) (part of Roscosmos).
    Why not Rogozin? Why does he tell about another "project", why didn't he tell about this failure?
    Why, finally, no one will ask this "effective manager" about the results of his work in this post?
    1. slipped
      slipped 31 August 2020 10: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      why didn't he tell about this failure?


      And there is no "failure" - the launch of the Resurs-P # 4 satellite next year. laughing In general, Russia has eleven civilian remote sensing satellites in orbit now. Here's a recent infographic:



      The only thing is that the very first Canopus was turned off due to the development of a resource.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 August 2020 11: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: slipped
        And there is no "failure"

        That is, someone is lying ... Or you or Mr. Baranov
        Roskosmos is unable to launch the next two Resurs-P Earth observation satellites into orbit, the dispatch is once again postponed.
        This is not considered a failure of the launch plan for you.
        And a year later, "all of a sudden !!!", it turns out that the batteries have already exhausted their resource and they urgently need to be changed or something else ... I won't be surprised.
        And you once again tell here that this is normal
        1. slipped
          slipped 31 August 2020 12: 03 New
          -3
          Quote: svp67
          That is, someone is lying ... Or you or Mr. Baranov


          Baranov said the satellites are in production. laughing And I gave you a picture of the number of active civilian devices now. lol

          Quote: svp67
          Roscosmos cannot launch the next two Earth observation satellites into orbit


          Sputnik Resurs-No.4 is already under testing. Above it is written about it. Will be launched next year.

          Quote: svp67
          And a year later, "all of a sudden !!!", it turns out that the batteries have already exhausted their resource and they urgently need to be changed or something else ... I won't be surprised.
          And you once again tell here that this is normal


          You are talking nonsense. laughing In addition to "Resurs-P", the RCC "Progress" also makes new civil ERS satellites - of the "Aist" type.

          1. svp67
            svp67 31 August 2020 12: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: slipped
            Baranov said the satellites are in production.

            You read his words CAREFULLY. It has been said ABOUT a breakdown, once again launch ... For you, it seems Russian is not your native language, if you do not understand the meaning of what was said.
            Quote: slipped
            Sputnik Resurs-No.4 is already under testing.

            God forbid ... so I understand. that one set of missing equipment was found, and the second?
            According to the representative of the RCC Lev Shilov, in the case of delivery of high-speed radio link equipment in the summer of 2020, the launch will be possible in the first quarter of 2021.
            Quote: slipped
            You are talking nonsense.

            Unfortunately, no one can carry it more than our "Roscosmos" now ...
            By the way, this is from Russian folklore: "Laughter for no reason is a sign of foolishness" ... Learn Russian proverbs and sayings
            1. slipped
              slipped 31 August 2020 12: 18 New
              -3
              Quote: svp67
              You read his words CAREFULLY. It has been said ABOUT THE DISCONNECTION, ANOTHER TIME of launch ...


              The launch of the Resurs-No.4 satellite has been postponed from the end of this year to the next one, but not canceled. This was reported earlier. As soon as they do it, they will launch it.

              Quote: svp67
              God forbid ... so I understand. that one set of missing equipment was found, and the second?


              Nonsense again.

              Quote: svp67
              launch will be possible in the first quarter of 2021


              This is written above.

              Quote: svp67
              Unfortunately, no one can carry it more than our "Roscosmos" now ...


              Your logic is lame. laughing
              1. svp67
                svp67 31 August 2020 12: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: slipped
                The launch of the Resurs-No.4 satellite has been postponed from the end of this year to the next one, but not canceled.

                This is one of the two satellites NOT LAUNCHED this year, but what about the second?
                Quote: slipped
                Nonsense again.

                No, this is your burden, so carry it further, once you have taken it. The news clearly states that it is not ready to launch TWO satellites, you mean that one is already ready to launch next year, and what about the second?
                Quote: slipped
                Your logic is lame.

                Well, your logic is clear, in any way
                1. slipped
                  slipped 31 August 2020 12: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  This is one of the two satellites NOT LAUNCHED this year, but what about the second?


                  The full constellation of satellites "Resurs-P" consists of three spacecraft. Those. for full-fledged work today, only one spacecraft needs to be launched. After the first and oldest spacecraft is turned off, another new spacecraft will be launched.

                  Now launches of satellites into constellations occur as needed.

                  Quote: svp67
                  and what about the second?


                  It is written above - they do it. After it, a newer ERS satellite, "Resur-PM", will be created.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 31 August 2020 12: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    It is written above - they do it.

                    Well, God forbid. Let's wait ...
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 31 August 2020 13: 05 New
                      +2
                      Quote: svp67
                      Quote: slipped
                      It is written above - they do it.

                      Well, God forbid. Let's wait ...


                      Earlier, mistakes were made in the design of devices of this series. More precisely, not even mistakes, but ... let's just say ... underestimating possible technological threats. The spacecraft turned out to be very complex in comparison with previous generations. As a result, they flew in to the full - the result is a quick loss of the active life of Resource-P №2. Therefore, the onboard complex was changed on the last two spacecraft of this series. Hence the delays in retests.
                  2. CT-55_11-9009
                    CT-55_11-9009 1 September 2020 12: 53 New
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    The full constellation of satellites "Resurs-P" consists of three spacecraft. Those. for full-fledged work today, only one spacecraft needs to be launched. After the first and oldest spacecraft is turned off, another new spacecraft will be launched.

                    Now launches of satellites into constellations occur as needed.

                    Yeah. A hot reserve is not needed already? Seriously? And by the way, for remote sensing, the greater the simultaneous coverage, the better. And for this you need as many devices as possible. But the budget is not rubber, and no one will give money from sawmills for real production.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 2 September 2020 13: 48 New
                      0
                      Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                      Yeah. A hot reserve is not needed already?


                      This year, more ERS satellites are flying, of a different standard size, but no less interesting in terms of capabilities.
      2. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 1 September 2020 12: 45 New
        -1
        Quote: slipped
        The only thing is that the very first Canopus was turned off due to the development of a resource.

        In fact, it worked out the warranty period 3 years ago, it just broke down badly, so they wrote it off. Its type, by the way, works, although not perfect. Meteora also plow with crutches, especially the freshest.
    2. Genry
      Genry 31 August 2020 12: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Why not Rogozin? Why does he tell about another "project", why didn't he tell about this failure?

      And what does Rogozin have to do with it?
      He is responsible for transportation to space. Payloads are not his area of ​​responsibility.
      So you can weave the Mask.
      1. slipped
        slipped 31 August 2020 12: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Genry
        And what does Rogozin have to do with it?
        He is responsible for transportation to space. Payloads are not his area of ​​responsibility.
        So you can weave the Mask.


        The funny thing is not even that. It was Rogozin who returned the thorough acceptance of the new equipment and now everything is checked for defects in great detail. That is why there are delays in the supply of new devices, additional time is required for their checks.
        1. svp67
          svp67 31 August 2020 12: 46 New
          -3
          Quote: slipped
          It was Rogozin who returned the thorough acceptance of the new equipment and now everything is checked for defects in great detail.

          Do you want to make everyone laugh?
          That Mr. Rogozin has absolutely no idea about PLANNING?
          Any launch must take into account all the nuances, including the super-duper checks you specified. But it turns out that this is simply not ... well, what kind of leader is he after that? He is simply an "effective manager" in the worst sense of the word.
          If, you make changes to the process of preparing for the launch, then this should be taken into account when planning, but it turns out that at the beginning of the year finances were requested for this, and then they were not mastered ...
          1. slipped
            slipped 31 August 2020 12: 50 New
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            Do you want to make everyone laugh?


            Not. Only you are laughing here. laughing

            Quote: svp67
            That Mr. Rogozin has absolutely no idea about PLANNING?


            Mr. Rogozin demands the operability of space vehicles in orbit. Is this clear? laughing
      2. svp67
        svp67 31 August 2020 12: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Genry
        And what does Rogozin have to do with it?

        Of course, he has nothing to do with it ... He seems to be the head of Roscosmos, recalls when he receives a salary and bonuses ...
        In general, all launches are not planned anyhow, but with the expectation of building up or replacing satellites in the space constellation. For all this, certain finances are allocated, calculations are made ...
        And the head of this organization is obliged to bear responsibility for all this. And he only pours in with "projects", then we launch the "Angara", then no longer we do not launch, but we will launch the "Unions", then the "Federation" will be built for all tasks, to replace the "Union", then we will rename it to "Eagle" and yes, we will prepare it for the lunar program, and instead of the Soyuz, we will now begin to make the returned spacecraft ... But what about the Vostochny, I remember he had long promised to transfer all our manned launches from Baikanur there ...
        1. slipped
          slipped 31 August 2020 12: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          For all this, certain finances are allocated, calculations are made ...


          Wow. Calculations-finance. Photons-protons. laughing

          Quote: svp67
          And he only throws in "projectiles", then we launch the "Angara", then no, we do not launch it anymore,


          Angara is already at the cosmodrome. laughing

          Quote: svp67
          and we will launch "Unions",


          We always launch them, soon another launch with a large number of spacecraft.

          Quote: svp67
          then we will build the "Federation" for all tasks, to replace the "Union",


          You are talking nonsense. PTK NP - it does not replace the Soyuz MS TPK, it is a different ship.

          Quote: svp67
          then we will rename it to "Eagle" and yes, we will prepare him for the lunar program,


          The name "Federation" is the name of the ROC. The name of the ship is "Eagle". PTK NP would always be for the lunar program.

          Quote: svp67
          and instead of "Soyuz" now we will start making the returned CC ...


          Someday Soyuz MS will be replaced by another TPK.

          Quote: svp67
          And what about the "Vostochny", I remember he has long promised to transfer all our manned launches from Baikanur there ...


          Manned launches from Vostochny will begin in 2025, when manned infrastructure will be built there. For this purpose, the elements of the future large pressure chamber for new manned systems were recently sent to the Vostochny cosmodrome.
          1. svp67
            svp67 31 August 2020 14: 33 New
            -1
            Quote: slipped
            The name "Federation" is the name of the ROC. The name of the ship is "Eagle". PTK NP would always be for the lunar program.

            Yes, what are you saying .... You have a phenomenal ability to "change shoes in the air." Failure to launch two satellites is normal ...
            Here is from the history of work on the ROC "Federation", written in 2016
            "At the very beginning of the 90s, the Zarya project was closed, which was then supposed to replace Soyuz for financial reasons, then. And finally, in 2009, the decision was finally made to create a new manned spacecraft, which in eventually got the name "Federation". "
            The designer and manufacturer of the new Russian spacecraft is RSC Energia im. S.P. Queen. The project was approved in 2009 after a competition among Russian aerospace companies. The name of the new ship was approved by universal suffrage, although according to some sources a completely different name won, but for some reason the commission approved the "Federation"
            According to the project, the new spacecraft will be partially reusable, in particular its landing module, while the rest of the spacecraft will continue to burn in the atmosphere when it leaves orbit. Officially, the purpose of creating a new spacecraft is to ensure the needs of the national space program and technological independence from unreliable "partners", to ensure Russia's access to space from its territory (launches will be made from the Vostochny cosmodrome, well, the rest is as usual -delivery of people and goods to orbital stations, autonomous flight into the Earth's orbit, providing flight to the Moon and landing on its surface.
            The new SC "Federation" will have six seats, it will also be able to take on board 500 kg of cargo, the flight autonomy will be 1 month, and can be in the composition of the orbital station for up to 1 year. The volume of the sealed compartment will noticeably increase in comparison with the Soyuz and will amount to 18 m³.

            Quote: slipped
            Angara is already at the cosmodrome.

            On the "East"?
            1. slipped
              slipped 31 August 2020 15: 03 New
              +6
              Quote: svp67
              Failure to launch two satellites is normal ...


              This is not good, but it will not affect the grouping of our Earth remote sensing satellites in any way, there are enough of them there. This time.

              Quote: svp67
              Here is from the history of work on the ROC "Federation", written in 2016


              In 2016, we just signed a contract for the production of PTK NP. These are two.

              Quote: svp67
              And finally, in 2009, the decision was finally made to create a new manned spacecraft, which eventually received the name "Federation". "


              Wrong. You are confusing PTK NP from PPTS and PTK NP, the contract for the production of which was subsequently concluded in 2016. These are different ships. They even look different from each other.

              Here is the PTK NP from the PPTS of 2009 (layout), has such a characteristic protrusion with engines in the bow:



              But the PTK NP "Orel" (model) from the Army-2020, which is now in production:



              Quote: svp67
              Quote: slipped
              Angara is already at the cosmodrome.

              On the "East"?


              In Plesetsk. Its flight design tests will continue there. And on "Vostochny" the Amur missile complex is being built at an accelerated pace. It will be built in 2023. The first launch there will be just for the "Eagle" on the A5 with the forced RD-191M.
            2. A good one
              A good one 31 August 2020 18: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: svp67
              Yes, what are you saying .... You have a phenomenal ability to "change shoes in the air."

              You shouldn't be like that, Buddy. This person is in the subject, but is trying, without crossing the line, to correct you a little, and you, being almost in the subject, try a little to adjust the gate with a horn. yes
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 31 August 2020 19: 52 New
                +3
                Quote: Not bad
                This person is in the subject, but is trying, without crossing the line, to correct you a little, and you, being almost in the subject, try a little to adjust the gate with a horn.

                Viktorovich, a credible message! good Are you a diplomat by chance?
                1. A good one
                  A good one 2 September 2020 19: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Motorist
                  Quote: Not bad
                  This person is in the subject, but is trying, without crossing the line, to correct you a little, and you, being almost in the subject, try a little to adjust the gate with a horn.

                  Viktorovich, a credible message! good Are you a diplomat by chance?

                  Good health to you and your loved ones, I see a good beginning in your face. smile
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 2 September 2020 20: 08 New
                    +1
                    Thank you for your wishes, the same to you! hi I will consider your answer for now ... what
                    1. A good one
                      A good one 2 September 2020 20: 33 New
                      0
                      Quote: Motorist
                      Thank you for your wishes, the same to you! hi I will consider your answer for now ... what

                      Do not rack your brains in this regard, just a clumsy complement, with a positive start. Already from my side.hi
            3. Lexus
              Lexus 31 August 2020 22: 29 New
              +6
              Sergei hi
              Well, the Christmas trees are green, like a small one, you just don't want to be imbued with, like me, the understanding of the # term "negative growth" that has no analogue.request "These" have every "bottom break" and "full pants" - either "disposal of non-core assets / optimization", or "successful delivery of payload to target orbits." You have written a lot on the case. It is a pity that in "weightlessness". recourse
  4. 1536
    1536 31 August 2020 10: 40 New
    +3
    "New Thinking" Didn't Work Again? Maybe just start thinking right? Apparently, the sanctions played an important role here. Well, okay, blue cheese, okay, cars of foreign brands, okay, everything else, but after all, it was initially known about components in the space industry. Or was it not? Or have new specialists been trained for thirty years relying on South Korean, Chinese, American or Ukrainian components? Isn't it a field of activity for our "unfortunate" youth to show themselves in business and do better, higher, stronger? Or without cheese anywhere?
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 31 August 2020 10: 58 New
      +1
      What kind of (unhappy) youth did you mean? The one that sits in the leadership or the one that comes out of the PTU? To whom to perform feats and in the name of what? The goals are different, however, they are outrageously obtained.
    2. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 31 August 2020 11: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      "New Thinking" Didn't Work Again? Maybe just start thinking right?
      ... after all, it was initially known about components in the space industry. Or was it not?

      What are you speaking about? Several years ago, after the scandal with the engine failure, Rogozin visited the plant, where they were made. And he was very indignant at the fact that the salary of a worker on it is 15-20 thousand. And this is for people who make engines for space technology, which is much cooler.
      Well, the joke is that by this time Rogozin had been in charge in this area for several years. I was driving, but I didn't know how things were going in it. Very indicative.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 August 2020 11: 07 New
    +3
    "Carthage must be destroyed ...", ugh, green hedgehogs! Lavrenty Palych Beria must be resurrected! Something like this.
  6. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 31 August 2020 11: 17 New
    -5
    And now the Maskophiles will come running and start telling that yesterday their idol put SAOCOM 1B into orbit. Not realizing that these are completely different devices.
    Although, of course, it was a very unwise decision on the part of Argentina to trust their companion to a swindler.
    1. Freemason Mason
      Freemason Mason 31 August 2020 11: 42 New
      +2
      Why not tell? It was the 100th anniversary launch of Spacex, the 60th landing of the first stage. Since the beginning of the year, Musk's company has completed 14 launches, while one "superpower" rising from its knees is only 9. So, as you only remain, choking on black envy and resentment for the power - call Mask a fraud and a rogue, or declare that all of his starts are filmed in Hollywood laughing

      Photo of the launch of SAOCOM 1B
      1. Genry
        Genry 31 August 2020 12: 27 New
        -3
        Quote: Freemason
        Since the beginning of the year alone, Musk has completed 14 launches

        Let it start for a couple of years, and then pay off on loans and shares, .... Let's see what prices and what attractiveness of its launches will become real and how many customers will go to it.
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 31 August 2020 12: 24 New
      +5
      Yes, only 3 years ago it was said here that the returned steps are a whim and nothing will fly for him and all this is nonsense. Everything flew contrary to opinion. Moreover, after it flew, RKS also admitted that he also wants to return the steps and in general it is not so stupid.
      Well, about the scammers. What has RKS developed over the past 10 years and put into mass operation?
      I am not defending Mask, but leading to the fact that RKS is who the fraudster is.
      Let's see what Musk will fly there in 5-10 years (and this is not a period for space) and the RCS.
      I think which of the RCS engineers is smarter - he will improve his English and go to do the real thing to Musk, not only for thanks, but for real money.
      1. slipped
        slipped 31 August 2020 12: 38 New
        -2
        Quote: Fibrizio
        Yes, only 3 years ago it was said here that the returned steps are a whim and nothing will fly for him and all this is nonsense.


        Stupidity. Returned steps in Russia were designed at the beginning of the XNUMXs and work on them was stopped due to non-financing of that time.



        Quote: Fibrizio
        RKS also admitted that he also wants to return the steps and in general it is not so stupid.


        Stupidity again. Reusable stages were considered in the Energia-Buran system.

        Quote: Fibrizio
        What has RKS developed over the past 10 years and put into mass operation?


        What is RCS? Under such an abbreviation in Russia there is a company "Russian Space Systems". Are you talking about her? laughing they have a website - it describes in detail what they have put into operation over the past 10 years.
  7. askort154
    askort154 31 August 2020 14: 03 New
    +1
    The RCC told about the reasons for the failure of the launch into orbit of two satellites "Resurs-P"

    The motherland needs not the reasons for the breakdowns, but the results of achievements for the taxpayers' money. The first "satellite of the Earth", and the first man in Space, the fruits of the USSR breakthrough into Space. But then no one knew the names - Korolev and his associates dealing with this topic.
    Now the surname Ragozin is not leaving the media, and the breakthroughs in space are "the cat cried". How else could it be otherwise ?! Korolev - from an early age, a fanatic pioneer in the creation and launch of homemade missiles, who grew up on the ideas of Zhukovsky and became the founder of this industry in the country.
    And who is Ragozin - a journalist who graduated from MGIMO and married in his 2nd year, to the daughter of the head of the first KGB department. As a result, a super careerist, PR man. Everywhere he left, and nowhere did he fulfill his "breakthrough ideas".
    He got into politics, created the Rodina party! Where is she now ?
    It looks like ROSCOSMOS will also be there, if it is not stopped. It is not for nothing that now I increasingly often call ROSKOSMOS - the "vacuum cleaner of budgetary funds" of Russia.
    Cadres are everything! Not white-collar workers.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 31 August 2020 15: 44 New
      +1
      Yes, replacing Rogozin with Mask from this we will not have new missiles or technologies. We are in our own isolated world. There is nowhere and nowhere to take fresh blood, and the evolutionary method will not work here, in terms of electronics we are an obvious outsider. No productions, no patents (world and current level, only Soviet). Therefore, what do you do, but there will be no new ground for samples and cartoons. It will be more accurate, but not what we expect.
      And in part, the state itself destroyed the industry. The entire space is focused not on making money and efficiency, but on orders from the military and the state. If you have such customers, you can do nothing at all. They will not go anywhere, and so they will give money. It is not the French who will launch military satellites into orbit.
  8. Elephant
    Elephant 31 August 2020 15: 25 New
    0
    Interestingly, this Baranov is apparently sleeping soundly and calmly !? Under Stalin, all responsible persons would be given the necessary acceleration ...
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 31 August 2020 18: 19 New
    0
    I think they need to bring the position - "responsible for jambs and transfer to the right." Assign thousand 300 salaries (maybe someone will attach a poor relative), there is nothing to distract the General Director with trifles! wassat hi
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 1 September 2020 13: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: fa2998
      I think they need to bring the position - "responsible for jambs and transfer to the right." Assign thousand 300 salaries (maybe someone will attach a poor relative), there is nothing to distract the General Director with trifles! wassat hi

      So why, start a special position, there are already deputies for such cases! There is nothing to squander money here!
  10. rruvim
    rruvim 1 September 2020 15: 19 New
    0
    I was faced with the fact that Chinese frequency drives in warehouses in Russia have run out (due to a pseudo-pandemic). Everyone is in line. Russian counterparts cost 20000 per product, from the same Chinese components. Chinese - 7000 relatives. We will wait for the Chinese to bring them to warehouses in Khabarovsk.
  11. rruvim
    rruvim 1 September 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    These are the frequency players. Found two + 1, two more are needed, at least. But the Chinese don't ship.
  12. rruvim
    rruvim 1 September 2020 15: 45 New
    0
    I mean that in our country, machine tool building, machine building and the production of electronic components have completely degraded. I was at one "closed" enterprise: there all the machines are either from Koreans or from DMG MORI. What, then, take from Roscosmos? Our engineers can "attach" any Chinese board to the circuit, but what if these boards are simply not there?