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The newest reconnaissance ship "Laguna" of the Ukrainian Navy has entered state tests

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The newest reconnaissance ship "Laguna" of the Ukrainian Navy has entered state tests

Ukraine has started the second stage of state tests of the newest medium reconnaissance ship Laguna of the Naval Forces (Naval Forces). The ship sailed into the Black Sea, Defense Express reports.


As the newspaper notes, this is the second independent exit of the TFR to the sea since arriving in Odessa, where the ship was being completed after arriving from Kiev, where it was built at PJSC Kuznitsa na Rybalskoy (formerly Leninskaya Kuznitsa). The base for the reconnaissance ship was the hull of the trawler project 502EM "Eget" from the plant's backlog. In 1971 - 2009, 347 trawlers of this type were built in Kiev, five more hulls remained unfinished at the enterprise, one of which served as the basis.

The launch of the ship was carried out on April 23, 2019, after which the ship was completed afloat. In early October of the same year, the TFR was sent to Odessa for additional equipment. The Laguna was delivered via a floating dock.

According to the newspaper, the newest Ukrainian radio-technical intelligence station "Melchior" has been installed at the TFR, which operates exclusively in passive radar mode, analyzing the radio frequency spectrum emitted by ships, aircraft or coastal objects. The complex consists of an antenna post and two operator workstations. There is no other data on the "stuffing" of "Laguna".

"Melchior" was developed on the basis of the ship's multifunctional radar complex "Mineral", which has been produced in various modifications by the Ukrainian enterprise "Kvant" since Soviet times.

The declared characteristics (correspond to the trawler of project 502EM): the length of the ship is 55 meters, the width is 10 meters, the displacement is 1220 tons. Speed ​​- 11,6 knots (Laguna's speed may be higher). Cruising range 7200 miles, autonomy 28 days.
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 29 August 2020 10: 54 New
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    The newest reconnaissance ship "Laguna" of the Ukrainian Navy has entered state tests

    Lagoon - what belay ? Associations are asking ...

    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 10: 58 New
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      [quote = Insurgent]The newest reconnaissance ship "Laguna" of the Ukrainian Navy has entered state tests

      Lagoon - what belay ? Associations are asking ...
      Sounds like an anecdote .. How old is he? wassat
      [quote] In 1971 - 2009, 347 trawlers of this type were built in Kiev, five more hulls remained unfinished at the enterprise, one of which served as the basis. [/ quote]
      This is a fishing trawler .. I think familiar outlines)))))
      Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea
      1. ltc22A
        ltc22A 29 August 2020 11: 41 New
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        And nothing funny. Disguising a warship as a civilian ship is normal practice in all fleets.
        1. rich
          rich 29 August 2020 11: 53 New
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          Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea

          the passive radar mode is an extremely unpleasant thing - it scans without giving itself out.
          Passive radar is the radar of an object based on its own radiation. The lack of radiation of the probing signal increases the secrecy of work, significantly complicates the detection of passive radar stations (radar) and the creation of interference with them.
          So, dear Houthit, there is no reason for laughter
        2. Husit
          Husit 29 August 2020 12: 44 New
          -12
          Quote: ltc22A
          And nothing funny. Disguising a warship as a civilian ship is normal practice in all fleets.

          On the outskirts ? laughing lol wassat drinks

          Nice disguise! Purely your way ... wassat
          Quote: Rich
          Passive radar is the radar of an object based on its own radiation. The lack of radiation of the probing signal increases the secrecy of work, significantly complicates the detection of passive radar stations (radar) and the creation of interference with them.
          So, dear Houthit, there is no reason for laughter

          Amers gave them a task and money ..
          And what, are you afraid of such fishing trawlers?
          Laughter causes and the answer will be .. We do not need such a miracle on the Black Sea!
          1. 76rtbr
            76rtbr 29 August 2020 15: 18 New
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            do not pay attention, the site of how the grandmother's gatherings became, yesterday the Ukrainians of the kazly donbass shot, today the fellows have equipped an old galosh as a scout against Russia, hurray, clap our hands, tomorrow everything is on schedule !!!
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 29 August 2020 18: 16 New
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            Quote: Husit
            And what, are you afraid of such fishing trawlers?

            And nothing that the Soviet Navy had reconnaissance ships based on seiners All these Kildins, Equators, etc. And a large landing craft of the "Saratov" type based on a timber carrier .. And nothing goes, they regularly serve ... Of course, new types of "Ivan Khurs" came and this pleases. The main stuffing, crew, seaworthiness on the ship!
            .
            1. tatarin1972
              tatarin1972 30 August 2020 16: 42 New
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              And why did you decide that Project 1171 BDK is a former timber carrier? Look at the history of creation, these are two big differences between a timber carrier and a tank landing ship.
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 30 August 2020 20: 30 New
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                The history of the appearance of this landing ship is very interesting. Almost simultaneously with the order for a new warship, the Ministry of the Navy ordered a project 1173 dry cargo vessel with a bow ramp, which in wartime should be re-equipped for the needs of the navy. The high complexity of the fundamentally new ship, as well as the proximity of the purpose of both projects, made it possible to combine the efforts of the USSR Navy and the Navy.

                The first Soviet landing ship was built on the basis of a timber ship. In its final form, he retained only the silhouette of the latter. The conflicting requirements of civilian customers: high efficiency, maximum use of the volume of the holds, comfortable cabins for the crew and infantrymen, space for weapons, increased unsinkability, high speed and specialized equipment made a compromise. The designers made four versions of the design and technical documentation, taking into account all the wishes of the customer, if possible.

                http://korabley.net/news/desantnye_korabli/2010-07-08-595
                1. tatarin1972
                  tatarin1972 30 August 2020 20: 34 New
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                  Ah, Wikipedia article! I went to Tapir e.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 30 August 2020 20: 37 New
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                    I gave the facts. I realized that there was no need to shake the air in vain.
        3. 41 REGION
          41 REGION 29 August 2020 13: 03 New
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          Quote: ltc22A
          And nothing funny. Disguising a warship as a civilian ship is normal practice in all fleets.

          Heavily disguised request SRTM is ordinary and masked by the radar antenna which can be seen from afar. wink
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 August 2020 13: 46 New
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            Quote: 41 REGION
            SRTM is ordinary and masked by the radar antenna which can be seen from afar.

            SRTMK type "Vasily Yakovenko" project 502 EM or project 502 E "Iron Stream".
            They worked as a trawl and "purse" throughout the Western and Southern basins, and were also in the Navy in small numbers. They were part of the flotilla of the floating base "Vostok" when "Nadezhda" was replaced by SRTMK with "purse".

            And this is "Vostok" with "Hope" on board.
            1. 41 REGION
              41 REGION 29 August 2020 13: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              SRTMK type "Vasily Yakovenko" project 502 EM or project 502 E "Iron Stream".
              They worked as a trawl and "purse" throughout the Western and Southern basins, and were also in the Navy in small numbers. They were part of the flotilla of the floating base "Vostok" when "Nadezhda" was replaced by SRTMK with "purse".

              So you put a photo of SRTM K "Vasiy Yakovenko" and put it. Why upload a photo of the floating base "Vostok" laughing
              1. 41 REGION
                41 REGION 29 August 2020 14: 01 New
                +5
                Here is a photo of SRTMK
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 35 New
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                Quote: 41 REGION
                So you put a photo of SRTM K "Vasiy Yakovenko" and put it. Why upload a photo of the floating base "Vostok"

                So it is laid out at the beginning of the article, small - small converted. But as the SRTMK was, it has remained, and the independent companies can be called an aircraft carrier, they will become. And the floating base ... So let the people see what happened in the USSR. This is the only one like this in the world, there are still none and never will be, it is as a tribute to the era of the fisherman, salt and sweat of the fishing tribe, just like "Catty Sark".
                1. 41 REGION
                  41 REGION 29 August 2020 14: 57 New
                  +5
                  hi Sorry, I decided that you are issuing the floating base for SRTMK drinks
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 29 August 2020 17: 24 New
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                    Quote: 41 REGION
                    Sorry, I decided that you are issuing the floating base for SRTMK

                    There were small bots "Nadezhda-1" and "Nadezhda-2" on the "Vostok", they could not work in the ocean, MRH transferred 12 pieces of SRTMK for a "wallet" instead.
        4. olegactor
          olegactor 29 August 2020 14: 24 New
          +3
          Disguising a warship as a civilian ship is normal practice in all fleets.

          when they mask it ... they don't paint it in a ball color ... but it looks like the Sumerians don't know about it
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
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            Quote: olegactor
            when they mask it ... they don't paint it in a ball color ... but it looks like the Sumerians don't know about it

            Paint not paint but everything is visible, "scattered people ha .... floats."
          2. garik77
            garik77 31 August 2020 01: 08 New
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            Yes, here mask, do not mask, and so the whole Internet already knows that the xoxlovs have a reconnaissance seiner. There are a bunch of photos from all angles on the network, they would have painted it in zhovto-blakite color for fidelity!
            By the way, they can deafen this trough with an electromagnetic pulse, burn all the equipment to the devil's grandmother!
        5. venik
          venik 29 August 2020 14: 38 New
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          Quote: ltc22A
          And nothing funny. Disguising a warship as a civilian ship is normal practice in all fleets.

          =========
          It's one thing - mask SRK for a civilian ship .... Quite DIFFERENT - transform fishing trawler - in Scout!!!! request
          This - already from LOSS! hi
          1. Deck
            Deck 29 August 2020 17: 12 New
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            This - already from LOSS!


            How good and beautiful you speak! For example, the newest (only 52 years old) ship. It is part of the 519th separate division of special-purpose ships 1229 of the Black Sea Fleet Intelligence Center. But this is a completely different matter!

            ]
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 29 August 2020 19: 16 New
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              Quote: Deck
              How good and beautiful you speak! For example, the newest (only 52 years old) ship.

              We also had two such "Zenith" and "Compass". I don't know if they are alive or not.
              1. Deck
                Deck 29 August 2020 19: 35 New
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                We have. Zenith decommissioned in the Estonian Navy, Compass went on tailspin in the 95th
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 29 August 2020 20: 01 New
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                  Quote: Deck
                  Zenith is decommissioned by the Estonian Navy

                  Interesting ? When I was with him, he went to St. Petersburg together with "Compass", and then he was not in the Mine Harbor. Although I also read somewhere that the Estonian department wrote off.
            2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 August 2020 20: 22 New
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              Quote: Deck
              For example, the newest (only 52 years old) ship. It is part of the 519th separate division of special-purpose ships 1229 of the Black Sea Fleet Intelligence Center.

              At the age of 47, a reconnaissance ship of the same type "Liman" (pictured) of the Russian Black Sea Fleet received a hole from a cattle carrier exactly in the middle between two compartments and sank.

            3. venik
              venik 30 August 2020 21: 31 New
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              Quote: Deck
              But this is a completely different matter! ]


              Reconnaissance ship "Equator". Built in Gdansk in 1968. STILL serves!

              Reconnaissance ship "Laguna". Built in Kiev in 2020. ALREADY serving!
              ----------
              The difference "CAPTURE" ??? laughing fool
        6. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 29 August 2020 14: 45 New
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          Ukraine has neither a normal military fleet, nor normal ships. But this boat is quite possibly at the level of the tasks assigned to it. I suppose both its equipment and the crew will be international.
          1. Aag
            Aag 29 August 2020 20: 25 New
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            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Ukraine has neither a normal military fleet, nor normal ships. But this boat is quite possibly at the level of the tasks assigned to it. I suppose both its equipment and the crew will be international.

            For whom is the last name of the interested parties secret?
        7. iouris
          iouris 30 August 2020 11: 29 New
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          Quote: ltc22A
          Disguise a warship as a civilian ship

          ... it makes no sense today.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 August 2020 11: 48 New
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        Quote: Husit
        This is a fishing trawler .. I think familiar outlines)))))
        Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea

        Back in Soviet times, I had a chance to visit our similar scout. Outwardly - a fisherman a fisherman, only the number of various antennas gives out its purpose. And nobody laughed.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 29 August 2020 11: 58 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          Back in Soviet times, I had to visit our similar scout. Outwardly - a fisherman a fisherman, only the number of various antennas gives out its purpose. And nobody laughed.

          Believe me, if the "Laguna" was built "from scratch" in the trawler's hull adapted for the new functions, there would be much less chuckle ...
          But they laugh not at the fact (mainly) that the lines of the "fisherman", but at the fact that during the construction they used the "groundwork" of rusty hulls of trawlers from the Soviet era ...

          "Not washed yet" yes
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 August 2020 13: 55 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            "Not washed yet"

            She already "vmerla", but the Soviet corps are still "nevmerli".
            1. Husit
              Husit 29 August 2020 13: 57 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Insurgent
              "Not washed yet"

              She already "vmerla", but the Soviet corps are still "nevmerli".

              And we will show the world what and who the Russian Navy is!
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 44 New
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                Quote: Husit
                And we will show the world what and who the Russian Navy is!

                To show, you need to have something to show.
              2. Aag
                Aag 29 August 2020 20: 30 New
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                Quote: Husit
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: Insurgent
                "Not washed yet"

                She already "vmerla", but the Soviet corps are still "nevmerli".

                And we will show the world what and who the Russian Navy is!

                Try to understand correctly who, and why you minus. One minus mine, because I do not see an object of pride ... (((I would like it differently.
          2. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 29 August 2020 14: 34 New
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            You are wrong: if the case was stored normally, being normally protected from rust by paint, then it is quite suitable. In addition, it was probably profiled and replaced, if necessary, with unusable parts. Although this is usually done with used housings. This one was on the shore all the time.
            You, like many, confuse shipbuilders with the Nazi idle racers.
        2. Husit
          Husit 29 August 2020 12: 53 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Husit
          This is a fishing trawler .. I think familiar outlines)))))
          Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea

          Back in Soviet times, I had a chance to visit our similar scout. Outwardly - a fisherman a fisherman, only the number of various antennas gives out its purpose. And nobody laughed.

          This is the USSR with their huge Fleet .. And then Bandera started a diesel rotten trawler and a tower with amersky gadgets welded to a fishing crane ..))) And they announced it as the newest radar! Well, it's funny, isn't it? Who is interested in these signals?
          1. Gato
            Gato 29 August 2020 12: 58 New
            +4
            Who is interested in these signals?

            Yes, it's clear who. Why does ukroflot need intelligence? Identify targets for river boats?
            1. Husit
              Husit 29 August 2020 13: 37 New
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              Quote: Gato
              Who is interested in these signals?

              Yes, it's clear who. Why does ukroflot need intelligence? Identify targets for river boats?

              Poachers to coordinate! laughing
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 August 2020 13: 57 New
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            Quote: Husit
            Who is interested in these signals?

            Can only signal Mayday for radiotelephony, or SOS for radiotelegraphy.
          3. Avior
            Avior 29 August 2020 16: 07 New
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            This is not a radar, but an RTR
        3. Igor Kobernik
          Igor Kobernik 29 August 2020 13: 06 New
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          "Grandma remembered how she was" ..... STMk - he is SRTMk ... And you can't make a cruiser out of him ...
          1. Aag
            Aag 29 August 2020 20: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Igor Kobernik
            "Grandma remembered how she was" ..... STMk - he is SRTMk ... And you can't make a cruiser out of him ...

            There was no such task. And, accordingly, funding ... And you (in a broad sense, everyone who shouts "we can repeat"), when you mobilize, the realization that Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic States (I will not list the rest, out of political correctness), can not only “yapping, but, with appropriate motivation, and“ biting ”? Shall we swing a“ vigorous club ”?“ At the center of decision making? ”Or will Zakharova express concern?
        4. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 29 August 2020 18: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          And nobody laughed.

          And the Urapatriots' task is to ridicule everything Ukrainian, regardless of whether it is good or bad. They even clung to the name, ridiculed it. We had a scout - "Liman", died off the coast of Turkey, and nothing, nobody laughed at the name. And by the way, it was converted into a scout from a hydrograph. For example, I don't care what cover the book has. The main thing is content. And the content of the vessel is not bad, as I understand it.
          1. Gato
            Gato 30 August 2020 01: 08 New
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            And the content of the vessel is not bad, as I understand it

            Perhaps NPO Kvant was at one time an extremely serious organization - it was actually the Research Institute Kvant with its own experimental production plus the Burevestnik serial plant, plus branches, plus test bases in Feodosia. Only those times are long gone and forever.
            The question is - why does the Navy need such a ship? Well, by a land analogy: what for do you need to form a reconnaissance battalion if you don't have a division (and never will)? In the interests of the owners? So they themselves have those means. there is enough intelligence, and much more advanced.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 30 August 2020 07: 04 New
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              Quote: Gato

              The question is - why does the Navy need such a ship? Well, by a land analogy: what for do you need to form a reconnaissance battalion if you don't have a division (and never will)?

              Well, you think so. And they think differently.
              In addition, they have brigades, and at least they need reconnaissance companies. If we use your analogy. And, as you know, intelligence, quite professional, appeared before the appearance of the regular army.
              Quote: Gato
              In the interests of the owners?

              I am sure that not everyone there “sold out to“ the owners. ”Even in the upper echelons of power.
              There are also patriots of their homeland. And they will strive to "build" their military doctrine based on the understanding of the need to defend their homeland. From any aggressor. From the West too.
              The neighbor must be treated with respect, even if he is seriously ill. And I have no doubts that Ukraine is sick.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 30 August 2020 09: 01 New
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              Quote: Gato
              The question is - why does the Navy need such a ship?

              The question is - who ordered it and for whose money. If the Americans gave everything, then the information will be transmitted to them - this is obvious. So the staff will get an excellent platform for conducting reconnaissance off our shores for a penny.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 30 August 2020 09: 26 New
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                Quote: ccsr
                staffers for a penny will get an excellent platform for conducting reconnaissance off our shores
                Proxy container.
              2. Florian geyer
                Florian geyer 31 August 2020 16: 59 New
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                Well, everything is simple here. The Lenin Smithy, where the ship was built, until 2018 belonged to Poroshenko. So he, in fact, created this order and placed it at the state expense at his factory. And he put the money in his pocket.

                By the way, was it not this steamer that burned at their factory?
      3. Professor
        Professor 29 August 2020 11: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: Husit
        Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea

        The whole world is still laughing about the sinking of another reconnaissance vessel with a cattle truck.

        But seriously, the scout's disguise as trawler seiner was practiced in the USSR.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 29 August 2020 12: 55 New
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          Professor, troll hard.
          Quote: Professor
          The whole world is still laughing about the sinking of another reconnaissance vessel with a cattle truck.

          The Liman was at anchor. Twice warned the cattle carrier about the dangerous course. The cattle truck replied that they were in control of the situation. Therefore, when it became clear that the course of the livestock carrier did not change, there was no time left to raise the anchor and develop the course.
          Professor, do not collect "ho lousy" rumors, it does not paint you. hi
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 29 August 2020 13: 07 New
            +6
            Comrade is actively drowning for Ukraine. Therefore, it is not surprising.
            And the accidents in the fleet indicate that it exists. The Americans are generally champions in clashes, but who can say that their fleet is funny.
            1. Suhow
              Suhow 29 August 2020 14: 49 New
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              I don’t know about the champions, but that the USSR and the Russian Federation were in the lead in terms of the number of sinking of ships and, alas, it’s a fact, but about the scout, this is at least something, albeit not the best. Your Russian Federation is also not going smoothly with the construction and repair of ships.
          2. Professor
            Professor 29 August 2020 14: 17 New
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            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Professor, troll hard.
            Quote: Professor
            The whole world is still laughing about the sinking of another reconnaissance vessel with a cattle truck.

            The Liman was at anchor. Twice warned the cattle carrier about the dangerous course. The cattle truck replied that they were in control of the situation. Therefore, when it became clear that the course of the livestock carrier did not change, there was no time left to raise the anchor and develop the course.
            Professor, do not collect "ho lousy" rumors, it does not paint you. hi

            About "anchored" is very interesting. "Warned twice" is even more interesting. However, the fact is that the ship was sunk by a livestock carrier. The rest is lyrics. Therefore, you should not laugh at others. This is Mehanu.

            Quote: Moskovit
            Comrade is actively drowning for Ukraine. Therefore, it is not surprising.
            And the accidents in the fleet indicate that it exists. The Americans are generally champions in clashes, but who can say that their fleet is funny.

            1. I'm not your friend.
            2. I am as interested in Ukraine as I am in Russia.
            3. The Americans have the largest fleet, the largest "mileage" and, accordingly, the absolute number of accidents is higher than in Armenia. Nevertheless, the accident rate in the American submarine fleet is very low. Affected by the high professionalism of the crews and the reliability of the equipment, as well as the lack of a huge nomenclature of submarines.

            Quote: Husit
            The professor did not invite you to the conversation! Look, better control Iran, there you have problems outlined .. And with Ukraine we will figure it out ourselves!

            I don't need your permission, Meehan.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 29 August 2020 14: 53 New
              +6
              Professor, I personally spoke with the deputy for the rear of this military unit. Informally and confidentially. Don't believe in stories, it was exactly the way I write. Liman had 70% hull wear. For a long time already "on pins and needles" should have been, but there was no replacement.
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 August 2020 15: 23 New
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                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Professor, I personally spoke with the deputy for the rear of this military unit. Informally and confidentially. Don't believe in stories, it was exactly the way I write. Liman had 70% hull wear. For a long time already "on pins and needles" should have been, but there was no replacement.

                I do not believe. Nowhere about "anchorage" do not write. They write about the "collision of the Estuary with the cattle carrier." By the way, if the cattle truck is guilty, then the Russian Federation should have sued the owner for the amount of damage. Why haven't you heard about the lawsuit?

                Quote: Moskovit
                God forbid a friend like you. With what fright it seemed to you. This is just an ironic appeal. If Russia and Ukraine give a damn about you, why give this example.

                Then, that the michans make fun of their neighbors, forgetting about their jambs. This is not Christian.
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 29 August 2020 17: 46 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  I do not believe.

                  Your right. Sometimes, it is very difficult to explain to a person if he DOES NOT BELIEVE. laughing
                  Quote: Professor
                  Nowhere about "anchorage" do not write.

                  It depends on where to read. wink

                  Quote: Professor
                  Why haven't you heard about the lawsuit?

                  Do you think it is necessary to write in all newspapers? what
                  There is a rather murky story, with the crew and shore services. The whole story took place against the background of our misunderstandings (yet another) with the "Sultan". request


                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  Professor, I personally spoke with the deputy for the rear of this military unit. Informally and confidentially.

                  Twice. On this and other topics. This is not in a hurry, with a glass and a snack. Relatively. laughing
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                  2. Professor
                    Professor 29 August 2020 19: 33 New
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                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    Your right. Sometimes, it is very difficult to explain to a person if he DOES NOT BELIEVE.

                    "In God we trust, all others must bring data." - W. Edwards Deming.

                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    It depends on where to read.

                    I read it on the official website of the RF Ministry of Defense. Do not read?

                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    Do you think it is necessary to write in all newspapers?
                    There is a rather murky story, with the crew and shore services. The whole story took place against the background of our misunderstandings (yet another) with the "Sultan".

                    Not at all. One is enough with the indication of the court where the claim was filed and we will all read the statement of claim together. These bourgeois are so stupid, they put everything on the net.

                    The vessel did not belong to Turkey. what problems to sue if the truth is on your side? Which side did the cattle carrier enter?

                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    Twice. On this and other topics. This is not in a hurry, with a glass and a snack. Relatively.

                    just now we were discussing eyewitness memories of the actions of the Germans in Czechoslovakia in 1968. They told in detail despite the fact that there were no Germans in Czechoslovakia in 1968. So I don't believe the stories. Only facts.
            2. Moskovit
              Moskovit 29 August 2020 15: 06 New
              +1
              God forbid a friend like you. With what fright it seemed to you. This is just an ironic appeal. If Russia and Ukraine give a damn about you, why give this example.
        2. Husit
          Husit 29 August 2020 12: 56 New
          -6
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Husit
          Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea

          The whole world is still laughing about the sinking of another reconnaissance vessel with a cattle truck.

          But seriously, the scout's disguise as trawler seiner was practiced in the USSR.

          The professor did not invite you to the conversation! Look, better control Iran, there you have problems outlined .. And with Ukraine we will figure it out ourselves! hi
        3. Igor Kobernik
          Igor Kobernik 29 August 2020 13: 07 New
          -3
          But this is not at all a "trawler", if you understand ...
          1. 41 REGION
            41 REGION 29 August 2020 13: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: Igor Kobernik
            But this is not at all a "trawler", if you understand ...

            Since the union, the ship was called SRTM-K
            medium stern trawler freezer trawler tongue
        4. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 13: 11 New
          12
          Quote: Professor
          The whole world is still laughing about the sinking of another reconnaissance vessel with a cattle truck.


          And the world was cut off as local bandits managed to slap an anti-ship missile into an Israeli corvette.

          And how they laughed at the stupid Americans. The Russian scout was at least at anchor. And these failed to disperse .. In the sea !!!!


          1. Professor
            Professor 29 August 2020 14: 24 New
            -4
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: Professor
            The whole world is still laughing about the sinking of another reconnaissance vessel with a cattle truck.


            And the world was cut off as local bandits managed to slap an anti-ship missile into an Israeli corvette.

            And how they laughed at the stupid Americans. The Russian scout was at least at anchor. And these failed to disperse .. In the sea !!!!



            Well yes. RCC is not a cattle carrier. RCC is very funny. wassat
            Four people were killed, but the naval blockade of Lebanon was not broken and the corvette was back in service. Again: Did not sink and even the helicopter on the site was not damaged. Laughter however.

            The Russian scout at the bottom feeds the fish, and these ships are back in service to perform a combat mission. Who are we laughing at? I would recommend not to rush to laugh at the Ukrainian intelligence officer.

            PS
            At anchor ...
            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39734998
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 14: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Who are we laughing at?


              Above you, who else is over .... Sleeping a missile on a ship occupied by a blockade patrol is really funny. And by the way, you're in luck with Hanit, very ...
              Yes, but why are you talking about your godfather that was not sarcastic, huh?

              I would recommend not to rush to laugh at the Ukrainian intelligence officer.

              The Ukrainian word is probably superfluous here, there are quite specific star-striped ears sticking out behind this idea. A reconnaissance ship of the Naval Forces of Ukraine is as necessary as a brake light for a hare.
              1. Suhow
                Suhow 29 August 2020 14: 55 New
                0
                As for a reconnaissance ship for Ukraine, I believe that, as for the Russian Federation, a pair of aircraft-carrying cruisers, operational experience, and crew training are necessary.
              2. Professor
                Professor 29 August 2020 15: 19 New
                -3
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Above you, who else is over .... Sleeping a missile on a ship occupied by a blockade patrol is really funny. And by the way, you're in luck with Hanit, very ...

                Yes, intelligence failed then. They did not know that the terrorists had anti-ship missiles. Since then, at least they have turned on the appropriate systems when sitting down for a Saturday meal. However, the corvette did not sink, fulfilled its task, secured the blockade and is now in service. And a scout sunk by a livestock carrier lies at the bottom of the sea.

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                The Ukrainian word is probably superfluous here, there are quite specific star-striped ears sticking out behind this idea. A reconnaissance ship of the Naval Forces of Ukraine is as necessary as a brake light for a hare.

                Uh-huh. The Americans are to blame for everything and Obama personally pisses in your elevators. Ukraine is so rich and happy. Well, she does not have so many hydrocarbons in order to maintain a large fleet. and they do not need a large fleet. The Black and Azov seas are their area of ​​interest.
                1. MMX
                  MMX 29 August 2020 15: 46 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  Above you, who else is over .... Sleeping a missile on a ship occupied by a blockade patrol is really funny. And by the way, you're in luck with Hanit, very ...

                  Yes, intelligence failed then. They did not know that the terrorists had anti-ship missiles. Since then, at least they have turned on the appropriate systems when sitting down for a Saturday meal. However, the corvette did not sink, fulfilled its task, secured the blockade and is now in service. And a scout sunk by a livestock carrier lies at the bottom of the sea.


                  It's right. However, this is even better. The rubbish was already there. There would be no happiness, but misfortune helped.

                  Uh-huh. It's all the fault of the Americans and Obama personally pisses in your elevators


                  Obama has long been unable to cope in elevators with us. But before leaving, I managed to pile such a lot under the door of Israel at the UN lol

                  Well, she does not have so many hydrocarbons in order to maintain a large fleet.

                  Well, yes, even Israel proudly announced its joining the Natural Gas Suppliers Club ...

                  The Black and Azov seas are their area of ​​interest.


                  Sooner or later they will create a fleet, I'm sure of that. And the fact that this ship was launched - there must be a signal for us.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 29 August 2020 16: 11 New
                    -4
                    Quote: MMX
                    It's right. However, this is even better. The rubbish was already there. There would be no happiness, but misfortune helped.

                    What "trash"? What are you talking about?

                    Quote: MMX
                    Obama has long been unable to cope in elevators with us. But before leaving, I managed to pile such a lot under the door of Israel at the UN

                    Is Trump peeing now? Well, can not their own celebrate a small need in the front door?

                    Quote: MMX
                    Well, yes, even Israel proudly announced its joining the Natural Gas Suppliers Club ...

                    Israel is rich not in minerals, but in human resources. This is the policy here.

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    Well, at least we get stuck in the elevators, but you are right in Moscow ...

                    Mosk? Did you mean "Moscow"?

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    I said already, you are lucky with the rocket ...

                    No, no luck. They would simply turn on the missile defense system and not even hit the crane.

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    So what? This is an indicator of what? I can not understand you. The story with the corvette - a classic, uh, overslept, the crew is to blame. Clashes between McCain and Fitzgerald, the death of Helga Instad is an indicator of a complete anus in the training of naval officers ...
                    What exactly is the Lyman crew to blame? The SRZK was anchored in the permitted area. The moment you realize that they want to ram you to get off the anchor in 30 seconds, you won't have time.
                    Explain what is the essence of your speculation?

                    Hmm ... Indeed, what is the fault of the crew of the Estuary sunk by a cattle carrier? Maybe the fact that he lost a warship in peacetime? Maybe the fact that there was no damage control? Maybe those that on their own could not save the crew?
                    As I say, Obama is pissing in the elevators, and the captain of the sunken steamer should also be given a Hero of Russia for the loss of a combat unit.

                    In the story with the corvette, it was not the crew who slept, but the coastal authorities.

                    You can read more about the "anchorage". I'd like to read about this detail. By the way, what board did "Liman" set up and why are there still claims to the criminal cattle carrier?
                    1. MMX
                      MMX 29 August 2020 17: 28 New
                      +2
                      What "trash"? What are you talking about?


                      About Lyman.

                      Is Trump peeing now? Well, can not their own celebrate a small need in the front door?

                      Can not. And they do not cope. You confused something.

                      Israel is rich not in minerals, but in human resources. This is the policy here.


                      Uh-huh. It's like that:
                      “The completion of the construction of the Leviathan gas plant and the gas flow from this field, which will begin at the end of the year, are a critical component of the strategic, energy, economic and political power of the State of Israel... (c) Prime Minister Netanyahu lol

                      Source: https://mfa.gov.il/MFARUS/PressRoom/2019/Pages/PM-Netanyahu-and-Energy-Minister-Steinitz-dedicate-arrival-of-foundation-for-Leviathan-gas-platform.aspx
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 29 August 2020 19: 17 New
                        -3
                        Quote: MMX
                        About Lyman.

                        Fighting unit with a crew of 78 soldiers.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Can not. And they do not cope. You confused something.

                        And where does the smell come from?

                        Quote: MMX
                        “The completion of the construction of the Leviathan gas plant and the gas flow from this field, which will begin at the end of the year, are a critical component of the strategic, energy, economic and political strength of the State of Israel. (c) Prime Minister Netanyahu

                        Well? High-tech revenues are many orders of magnitude higher than future gas revenues. If there will be gas sales at all.
                      2. Aag
                        Aag 29 August 2020 20: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: MMX
                        About Lyman.

                        Fighting unit with a crew of 78 soldiers.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Can not. And they do not cope. You confused something.

                        And where does the smell come from?

                        Quote: MMX
                        “The completion of the construction of the Leviathan gas plant and the gas flow from this field, which will begin at the end of the year, are a critical component of the strategic, energy, economic and political strength of the State of Israel. (c) Prime Minister Netanyahu

                        Well? High-tech revenues are many orders of magnitude higher than future gas revenues. If there will be gas sales at all.

                        I accept criticism normally, but you are already insolent ... yes
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 30 August 2020 17: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: AAG
                        I accept criticism normally, but you are already insolent ...

                        Israel lives off high-tech, not hydrocarbon exports. What am I?
                    2. MMX
                      MMX 29 August 2020 22: 05 New
                      +3
                      Fighting unit with a crew of 78 soldiers.


                      A new one will be commissioned. It's better.

                      And where does the smell come from?


                      You know better what you smell there in Israel.

                      Well? High-tech revenues are many orders of magnitude higher than future gas revenues. If there will be gas sales at all.


                      Well, if there are no sales, and the funds have already been invested (!), Then, apparently, not so good "human resources" in Israel, since such a development of events was allowed ...
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 30 August 2020 17: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: MMX
                      A new one will be commissioned. It's better.

                      This can be said about any sunken warship. However, there are no extra scouts.

                      Quote: MMX
                      You know better what you smell there in Israel.

                      It's true. For us tourists from Israel, the smell in your public places hits the nose.

                      Quote: MMX
                      Well, if there are no sales, and the funds have already been invested (!), Then, apparently, not so good "human resources" in Israel, since such a development of events was allowed ...

                      So far, gas goes to the domestic market and this covers the costs. A little goes to Jordan and Egypt, but there is more politics than business.
                    4. MMX
                      MMX 31 August 2020 17: 51 New
                      0
                      This can be said about any sunken warship. However, there are no extra scouts.


                      There is no choice. The main thing is that the authorities will have to swing at the whole ship.

                      For us tourists from Israel


                      It is commendable that we are developing tourism. So people came from Israel.

                      the smell in your public places hits the nose.


                      Don't flatter yourself. Israel is far from Holland / Netherlands (to put it mildly). Let's face it, it's a dirty country.

                      So far, gas goes to the domestic market and this covers the costs. A little goes to Jordan and Egypt, but there is more politics than business.


                      Well, the prime minister won't lie, right? lol
                    5. Professor
                      Professor 31 August 2020 19: 41 New
                      +3
                      Quote: MMX
                      There is no choice. The main thing is that the authorities will have to swing at the whole ship.

                      That's it. There is no choice.

                      Quote: MMX
                      It is commendable that we are developing tourism. So people came from Israel.

                      Our country is small, even cramped in places, so we travel around the world.

                      Quote: MMX
                      Don't flatter yourself. Israel is far from Holland / Netherlands (to put it mildly). Let's face it, it's a dirty country.

                      And there is. Our cousins ​​shit. However, elevators do not urinate. There is no stench in public places.

                      Quote: MMX
                      Well, the prime minister won't lie, right?

                      Bibi was talking about power, not about export. Energy security ... This time.
                      The lion's share of income goes not to the treasury, but overseas. These are two.
                      In this case, Bibi did not lie. He rarely does that. These are three.
                    6. MMX
                      MMX 1 September 2020 16: 04 New
                      0
                      And there is. Our cousins ​​shit.


                      We have Obama, you have Arabs. I got what you mean. All the time someone shits, yeah ...

                      However, elevators do not urinate. There is no stench in public places.


                      Something I do not remember about the elevators that would urinate. If only in an alternative reality of ideological clichés.
                      And I do not observe the stench with us.
                      It’s been a long time in Rossiyushka, eh? laughing
                    7. Professor
                      Professor 1 September 2020 20: 45 New
                      +2
                      Quote: MMX
                      We have Obama, you have Arabs. I got what you mean. All the time someone shits, yeah ...

                      Exactly. Only here Obama cannot be caught in this case, and the Arabs are constantly burning.

                      Quote: MMX

                      Something I do not remember about the elevators that would urinate. If only in an alternative reality of ideological clichés.
                      And I do not observe the stench with us.
                      It’s been a long time in Rossiyushka, eh?

                      Sniffed? Doesn't smell already?
      4. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 21: 39 New
        +3
        Did you mean "Moscow"?

        Again, I said that you are pumped into the brain.

        Quote: Professor
        I tell you Obama pisses in elevators

        Once again, and you personally are being pumped into the brain ...

        Maybe the fact that he lost a warship in peacetime? Maybe the fact that there was no damage control? Maybe those that on their own could not save the crew?

        The boat that entered the Estuary is more on / and every 10-15. So I won't even comment on your nonsense ..

        In the story with the corvette, it was not the crew who slept,

        Actually, the ship commander is responsible for the ship. This is news right? Or is it not so in Israel?

        And where does the smell come from?

        From you...
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 August 2020 18: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Again, I said that you are pumped into the brain.

          Earlier you wrote about "mosk", but now you have switched to rudeness. From an excess of arguments?

          By the way, "stsut", there is no such word in Russian. As a Jew, I am telling you this.

          Quote: Cyril G ...
          The boat that entered the Estuary is more on / and every 10-15. So I won't even comment on your nonsense ..

          The "little boat" sank your warship. This is ce la vie.

          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Actually, the ship commander is responsible for the ship. This is news right? Or is it not so in Israel?

          Are you talking about a warship sunk by a livestock carrier? How did his commander answer?

          Quote: Cyril G ...
          From you...

          Not. Everyone knows that because of us there is no water in the tap, and in the elevators you have Obama pissing.
  2. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 15: 56 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    The Americans are to blame for everything and Obama personally pisses in your elevators.

    Well, at least we get stuck in the elevators, but you are right in Moscow ... wassat

    Quote: Professor
    However, the corvette did not sink, fulfilled its task, secured the blockade and is now in service.

    I said already, you are lucky with the rocket ...

    And a scout sunk by a livestock carrier lies at the bottom of the sea.

    So what? This is an indicator of what? I can not understand you. The story with the corvette - a classic, uh, overslept, the crew is to blame. Clashes between McCain and Fitzgerald, the death of Helga Instad is an indicator of a complete anus in the training of naval officers ...
    What exactly is the Lyman crew to blame? The SRZK was anchored in the permitted area. The moment you realize that they want to ram you to get off the anchor in 30 seconds, you won't have time.
    Explain what is the essence of your speculation?
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 August 2020 18: 13 New
    +2
    And we remember very well that the first large ship destroyed by a cruise missile is the Israeli "Eilat". They remember only the first. By the way, Professor, did you live in the USSR then?
    1. Professor
      Professor 29 August 2020 19: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And we remember very well that the first large ship destroyed by a cruise missile is the Israeli "Eilat". They remember only the first. By the way, Professor, did you live in the USSR then?

      Do you remember the battle at Latakia?

      I hadn’t even served at the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet then.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 30 August 2020 09: 49 New
    -2
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    A reconnaissance ship of the Naval Forces of Ukraine is as necessary as a brake light for a hare
    Rather, the NMV is like a semaphore: the Naval Forces of Ukraine can not receive all the information from it, but only for the tasks of external control of this "armada".
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 August 2020 13: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Husit
    This is a fishing trawler .. I think it looks familiar

    An ordinary SRTMK, which has stood unfinished since the times of the USSR, for at least 29 years. To understand what is left of it, imagine that you put a barrel in the garden at your dacha, and what will happen from it in 29 years.
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 13: 46 New
      -5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Husit
      This is a fishing trawler .. I think it looks familiar

      An ordinary SRTMK, which has stood unfinished since the times of the USSR, for at least 29 years. To understand what is left of it, imagine that you put a barrel in the garden at your dacha, and what will happen from it in 29 years.

      That's right Vlad !! And then I look at the forum users from Israel to praise their fellow tribesmen in power in Kiev
      They will still start to bring tanks from the USSR ... And say that this is the latest development))))


      Half of them already somewhere in Africa froze in the sands with a dead engine ... And the rest were sent to melt down in the Baltic states from Che
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 29 August 2020 17: 19 New
      0
      That is, in 2009 the trawlers were built, from new hulls, and this one stood, stood, stood ...?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 August 2020 18: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        That is, in 2009 the trawlers were built, from new hulls, and this one stood, stood, stood ...?

        Yes, after the collapse, they did not build "fishermen", only the corvette "Lutsk", no more than 5 pieces of furnace ships, and the rest, too, about a dozen boats for the Navy. And the hulls have been rotting in the sludge since 1991. There was no need to rename the plant.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 29 August 2020 18: 45 New
          +1
          I'm not a sailor. I believed the author of the article. After your post, I went online. In addition to the data provided by the author, I found a table of the specified type of ships - when they were entered, when they were written off, and so on ...

          The latter was built in June 2008. Home port Illichivsk.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 29 August 2020 18: 58 New
            -2
            Sorry in December.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 August 2020 19: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            The latter was built in June 2008. Home port Illichivsk.

            Once you have found it, you have searched correctly. From building No. 1645 to No. 1696 it was built after the collapse. We saw ourselves when they started to build, when they finished. The last number 1696 is the "Lagoon".
    3. Aag
      Aag 29 August 2020 21: 38 New
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Husit
      This is a fishing trawler .. I think it looks familiar

      An ordinary SRTMK, which has stood unfinished since the times of the USSR, for at least 29 years. To understand what is left of it, imagine that you put a barrel in the garden at your dacha, and what will happen from it in 29 years.

      I remember in my childhood I dug worms in my dacha. Two MSL (small sapper shovels) to choose from. One with a swastika, or rather with an eagle, 43 years old, the other 45, domestic. I think the iron is still alive ... Just reflections on barrels, shovels of the last decades ...)) winked
      1. Aag
        Aag 29 August 2020 21: 55 New
        0
        Quote: AAG
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Husit
        This is a fishing trawler .. I think it looks familiar

        An ordinary SRTMK, which has stood unfinished since the times of the USSR, for at least 29 years. To understand what is left of it, imagine that you put a barrel in the garden at your dacha, and what will happen from it in 29 years.

        I remember in my childhood I dug worms in my dacha. Two MSL (small sapper shovels) to choose from. One with a swastika, or rather with an eagle, 43 years old, the other 45, domestic. I think the iron is still alive ... Just reflections on barrels, shovels of the last decades ...)) winked

        I also remembered: when they moved into the new apartment, I noticed it as an ensign, from the construction battalion, hid the canister under the ruins of the barracks. It turned out to be German, WWII times, 10 liters! Presentation, functionality was higher than those on sale. 1977 was.
        I agree, the comparison is incorrect, not in the subject, but still ...
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 29 August 2020 15: 14 New
    +1
    [quote = Hussit] [quote = Insurgent]The newest reconnaissance ship "Laguna" of the Ukrainian Navy has entered state tests

    Lagoon - what belay ? Associations are asking ...
    Sounds like an anecdote .. How old is he? wassat
    [quote] In 1971 - 2009, 347 trawlers of this type were built in Kiev, five more hulls remained unfinished at the enterprise, one of which served as the basis. [/ quote]
    This is a fishing trawler .. I think familiar outlines)))))
    Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea [/ quote]
    Funny and sad. It's funny because of your ignorance. And it’s sad that even 6 years ago, this resource was mainly people who knew military affairs firsthand. And now...
    PS. The use of hulls of fishing trawlers for the creation of reconnaissance ships is a world (including Soviet) practice.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 August 2020 16: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Normal ok
      Funny and sad. It's funny because of your ignorance. And it’s sad that even 6 years ago, this resource was mainly people who knew military affairs firsthand. And now...
      PS. The use of hulls of fishing trawlers for the creation of reconnaissance ships is a world (including Soviet) practice.

      Be quiet, pane hutsul yes with their accusations of incompetence ...

      Read and ponder what is written:

      Quote: Insurgent
      Believe me, if the "Laguna" was built "from scratch" in the trawler's hull adapted for the new functions, there would be much less chuckle ...
      But they laugh not at the fact that (mostly) the lines of the "fisherman", but at the fact that during the construction they used the "groundwork" from the rusty hulls of trawlers from the Soviet era.


      New buildings (don't you write about them?) I emphasize, not rot "out of stock"
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 29 August 2020 17: 05 New
        -1
        In 1971-2009, 347 trawlers were built in Kiev ...
        Have you tried to read it carefully? Or is 2009 the year it touched the Soviet rot?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 29 August 2020 18: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          In 1971-2009, 347 trawlers were built in Kiev ...
          Have you tried to read it carefully? Or is 2009 the year it touched the Soviet rot?

          Well yes not from the backlog of Soviet corps, but from the "freshest" 2009 ...

          11 years of Ukrainian "storage" ... Not rot, "new"?

          Ukrainian site-guide to the sights of Kiev.



          https://walking.kiev.ua/zavod-leninskaya-kuznya-kladbishhe-korablejj/
  • PN
    PN 29 August 2020 10: 59 New
    +6
    It's not good for us. To please the owner, they will scan not only what is on the water, but also what is on the shore.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 29 August 2020 11: 11 New
      13
      Quote: PN
      It's not good for us.

      Quite right, because we still do not really know the composition of the equipment on board, and I have suspicions that the Americans stuffed the trawler with it so much that we never dreamed of it. Shapkozakidatelskie moods are inappropriate here - this ship will act against us in the Black and Azov Seas, and this is not encouraging.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 29 August 2020 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: PN
      It's not good for us.

      Just look at the number and quality of antennas ... that is, one antenna .. What kind of intelligence can we talk about here at all ..
      Compare with this ..
      1. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 29 August 2020 13: 32 New
        -1
        Good ship, new, displacement of 4 thousand is written. tons and which is the largest in its class. The largest reconnaissance ship of project 1914.1. type - steel with 2-tier superstructure, extended tank, has 14 compartments, 9 decks; displacement - 23,7 thousand tons; length - 211 meters; hi True, he is old.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 29 August 2020 16: 03 New
          +1
          Not the biggest was the 1941 Titan project !!! That was a colossus !!! He was handsome (
          1. 41 REGION
            41 REGION 30 August 2020 01: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Nehist
            Not the biggest was the 1941 Titan project !!! That was a colossus !!! He was handsome (

            I'm talking about acting drinks
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 11: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: PN
      It's not good for us. To please the owner, they will scan not only what is on the water, but also what is on the shore.

      Not only everyone can scan. In fact, few people can do this.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 August 2020 11: 50 New
      0
      Quote: PN
      To please the owner, they will scan not only what is on the water, but also what is on the shore.

      It would be better to run in the means of REP.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 August 2020 12: 44 New
    -1
    The name is clearly "Muscovite" lol , on the "sovereign mov" it is good to call "goof-huna" ... lol
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      The name is clearly "Moskalskoe", on "sovereign mov" it is good to call it "goof-huna".

      And the best name would be "Janeloch".
    2. Dimka75
      Dimka75 29 August 2020 14: 15 New
      0
      Yes, not Muscovite, but Italian :-), that is, borrowed, there are such words in Russian.
      This is for you to educate yourself.
      And at kaklov it turns out "laguna" is also called "lagoon".
  • smart ass
    smart ass 30 August 2020 10: 42 New
    -1
    Fishing trawler + Additional set of binoculars = reconnaissance vessel
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 29 August 2020 10: 54 New
    0
    The entire KChF of Russia stood guard! wassat
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 29 August 2020 10: 58 New
      -2
      Russian trawlers queued up to be turned into scout ships! Funny from such achievements of Ukraine.
    2. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 10: 58 New
      -7
      Quote: El Dorado
      The entire KChF of Russia stood guard! wassat

      And scared they leave Crimea))))))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Husit
        And fearfully leave Crimea

        Well, you're straight Herbert Wales.
  • KCA
    KCA 29 August 2020 10: 56 New
    +1
    I blinded you, from what was ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 29 August 2020 13: 11 New
      +5
      from what was

      More precisely, from what remains a lot, but it's a pity to throw it out. Lenkuznya belongs to gunpowder, it was necessary to somehow get on the state order. But in Soviet times, she was even engaged in the repair of diesel-electric submarines, since they could be taken along the Dnieper to the Black Sea, I saw it myself. Oil painting: summer, 4 am, the bank of the Dnieper, fishing ... And then a submarine passed me in the fog with a quiet roar. belay I didn't drink for a week afterwards.
      1. KCA
        KCA 29 August 2020 14: 02 New
        +1
        I remember a long time ago that a diesel-electric submarine was towed to Moscow, probably, and once, even in the USSR, an ocean ship, not a superliner, of course, some kind of scientific, apparently, but that, judging by the broken windows for cutting
      2. Vladimir Demyanov
        Vladimir Demyanov 29 August 2020 15: 53 New
        +1
        And we didn’t believe him: “There was a submarine in the hydroelectric power station sluice! Pike 2! They decided that he had gotten a cigarette. But it turns out, indeed, it was from Kiev from repair. Confused then the flag and type. The second witness, I can believe after many years.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 29 August 2020 11: 02 New
    -4
    We are all sinking ships in the bay of Sevastopol, we surrender! "Laguna" with ship-based toilets went to sea! fellow
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 11: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: El Dorado
      We are all sinking ships in the bay of Sevastopol, we surrender! "Laguna" with ship-based toilets went to sea!

      We rent suuu!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 07 New
      -4
      Quote: El Dorado
      "Laguna" with ship-based toilets went to sea!

      Is it this one, or I confused something.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 August 2020 17: 55 New
        -2
        This is the battleship "Radianska Krajina", sorry you confused. The main feature of the battleship, on the tank is a super railgun, they shoot railway rails because of secrecy, sheathed with a tarpaulin. laughing
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 August 2020 18: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          This is the battleship "Radianska Krajina", sorry you confused

          Our "friends" from Square did not like this photo, I thought so.
          Well, in general, this is not a fake, but the first watchdog in independent Georgia, but here it also looks good.
  • Graz
    Graz 29 August 2020 11: 02 New
    +3
    the ship razvedchyk ukraine is equipped with an auditory tube and a telescope laughing
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 29 August 2020 11: 11 New
    +3
    Well, at least not the Blue Oyster Bar, and that's good. It is interesting that apart from "cupronickel" he has equipment and weapons. And then 1220 tons of displacement for the sake of "an antenna post and two workplaces of operators" is somehow ridiculous.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 11: 12 New
    -2
    The main thing is that there should be no weapons. Otherwise they will shoot in the wrong direction ... Matches are not toys for children ...
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 12: 59 New
      -10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The main thing is that there should be no weapons. Otherwise they will shoot in the wrong direction ... Matches are not toys for children ...

      The Amersians do not trust them with a serious weapon Evgeny .. So clean the latrines cleanly and yell at Russia.
      This is a trough with the latest US radar station, of course a challenge to Russia, but it's not over yet ..
      For our training "divers to rescuers" ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 09 New
      -2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Matches for children are not toys ...

  • Avior
    Avior 29 August 2020 11: 12 New
    +8
    A trawler is not a trawler, it is enough for the Black Sea, it will not go into the ocean, and reconnaissance capabilities are determined by the capabilities of the RTR station, which they installed. If the station has good characteristics, then the trawler will come down. 1200 tons displacement is not a fishing boat, and the seaworthiness of trawlers is usually good.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 29 August 2020 11: 33 New
      +7
      Quote: Avior
      Trawler is not a trawler, enough for the Black Sea, it will not go to the ocean,

      Why not. Fishermen of this class are very good and feel you in the ocean. They have complete order with seaworthiness.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 29 August 2020 13: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      A trawler is not a trawler, it is enough for the Black Sea, it will not go into the ocean, and reconnaissance capabilities are determined by the capabilities of the RTR station, which they installed. If the station has good characteristics, then the trawler will come down.

      Quite right. It's just that many of today's commentators have not heard the name of the Pueblo ship, what happened to it and why our GRU specialists were on it even earlier than the KGB officers could assess it.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 29 August 2020 22: 10 New
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        "Pueblo"

        Is he? Pyongyang landmark.

        He did not elaborate on the GRU / KGB. But the DPRK is good that the USSR and the PRC fit in for them. The Americans did not hesitate to take major actions.
        And the Koreans, instead of gratitude, also accused us of cowardice ... We betrayed the DPRK like Cuba in 1962 ... according to Pyongyang ..
        They were not detained in their zone. They forced the Koreans to fire and lead them into their zone. With the wounded.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 30 August 2020 08: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: Cristall
          We betrayed the DPRK like Cuba in 1962 ... according to Pyongyang ..

          We did not betray anyone - we trained their officers and specialists at home until the collapse of the USSR, as well as the Cubans.
          Quote: Cristall
          And the Koreans, instead of gratitude, also accused us of cowardice ..

          This is speculation - on the contrary, they immediately invited our specialists, because they did not have their own level.
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    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: Avior
      enough for the Black Sea, it will not go to the ocean,

      and he will not reach the ocean.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 August 2020 15: 40 New
        0
        Believe me, do not believe under the USSR Kaliningraders went to Antarctica for such toothfish and sometimes specially on special order. hi
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 August 2020 18: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Believe, do not believe under the USSR Kaliningraders went to Antarctica for toothfish like this

          I believe and know. Our STR "Matsalu" and "Ihasalu" even went, right after the collapse of the Union. We worked on tiers, put Japanese tier-selection machines. In Soviet times, such vessels went on a krill trawl to the area of ​​the Malvinas Islands.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 29 August 2020 11: 19 New
    +2
    The case is so familiar. In my opinion, the fisherman SRTM-K.
  • Nestor
    Nestor 29 August 2020 11: 27 New
    -3
    From obs: - "
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 29 August 2020 11: 30 New
    +4
    Judging by the surviving cranes, you can take a seine with you, go fishing in parallel with the main business.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 August 2020 11: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Judging by the surviving cranes, you can take a seine with you, go fishing in parallel with the main business.

      Perhaps they will play tricks, but in general, these cranes are in order to lower / receive radio beacons (if ukrov have any), in the sea / aboard ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 August 2020 12: 00 New
        +4
        There are no trawl winches, the slip is welded. Only fishing rods. Hold for equipment for "tenants". hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Judging by the surviving cranes, you can take a seine with you

      There is no non-water platform, the trawl winch is removed. Can be caught with hooks from the side or with a towed line.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 29 August 2020 15: 32 New
        +2
        In Barentsukh, they only worked as a bottom trawl. They were only on collective farms. Money mother do not worry, especially on a shrimp. If I am not mistaken, type Climber and Iron Stream.hi:
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        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 August 2020 17: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          In Barentsukh, they only worked as a bottom trawl; they were only on collective farms.

          We were in collective fish farms, and in the office for catching shrimp in the Baffin Sea, maybe two or three, and it seems still in the BBGL. Mom don’t worry about money shrimp. After the collapse, one company worked for them for cod, and took ice cream from them and drove them to England, there was also money there. Based on Kirkinesse.
          I know the climbers in Murmansk, they worked on "wallets", good Norwegian wallet equipment, a steering wheel. Successful ships.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 29 August 2020 17: 47 New
            0
            I remember in the Omul BBGL, the only fleet on almost one type of ships, in the BBGL they were more likely. Where did everything go in literally five years. good
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 29 August 2020 18: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: tralflot1832
              I remember Omul's BBGL, the only fleet on almost one type of ships, in BBGL they were more likely. Where did everything go in literally five years

              They sold everything, and what they could not, they let it go. Everything is the same throughout the former Soviet Union. The MPH fleet, the largest in the world, was liquidated.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 29 August 2020 18: 54 New
                0
                I already wrote here, our cap is close to the fish emperor, in '88 announced the idea of ​​transferring all large-tonnage fishing vessels and bases from the Union republics to the ports of the RSFSR, it did not grow together. am
    3. Aag
      Aag 29 August 2020 21: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Judging by the surviving cranes, you can take a seine with you, go fishing in parallel with the main business.

      Or some other pribluda (GAS, for example, to carry "drones") ...
  • Nestor
    Nestor 29 August 2020 11: 46 New
    +4
    From the observatory: - "Melchior" the next generation "Kolchuga M" due to a different element base, the antenna sensitivity is increased, the range, selectivity has increased, the ability to receive and identify targets has been improved
    1. Nestor
      Nestor 29 August 2020 12: 19 New
      +2
      Or 7 or 17 copyright and international patents
  • fn34440
    fn34440 29 August 2020 11: 53 New
    -3
    Judging by the abundance of girder cranes, it will be crammed with diving equipment for sabotage on our cable and fiber-optic, gas networks for civil and military purposes. And, also for sabotage on oil pipelines and the throwing of bacteriological military material to infect the coastal waters of the Russian Federation.
    Taking into account the vile aura of UNA UNSO and its last-born SBU.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 August 2020 11: 54 New
    0
    ... was built at PJSC Kuznitsa na Rybalskoy (formerly Leninskaya Kuznitsa).

    Klas s s, that chocolate shot, ripe everywhere!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 August 2020 11: 57 New
    +4
    Guys don't laugh at this little boat. We only know about Melchior. In view of the fact that Ukraine is a native land for the CIA. A “truck” just arrives with the appropriate equipment and personnel and is loaded onto this Lagoon and performs the assigned task. Now is the age of micro-conflict. Not difficult. "For us, this is already a passed stage." bully
  • Coconut
    Coconut 29 August 2020 12: 07 New
    -5
    Looks like a converted barge ... winked
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 August 2020 12: 07 New
    -4
    The newest reconnaissance ship "Laguna" of the Ukrainian Navy has entered state tests
    Intelligence in the interests of amers - our partners. So "maybe their horns are getting in the way" (cartoon) request
  • Old26
    Old26 29 August 2020 12: 32 New
    14
    Quote: Husit
    This is a fishing trawler .. I think familiar outlines)))))
    Shameful! The whole world laughs and laughter stands on the Black Sea

    Adjacent? Damn expert. Ask how many reconnaissance ships were made in the USSR on the basis of trawlers, whalers and others. Funny to him am
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 August 2020 14: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Ask how many reconnaissance ships were made in the USSR on the basis of trawlers, whalers and others.

      In Baltiysk, it seems like there was a whole division of such and a couple in Tallinn. Back in the late 60s, early 70s, the same SRT and SRTR worked with us in the Norfolk and Nantucket area.
      1. Aag
        Aag 29 August 2020 21: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Old26
        Ask how many reconnaissance ships were made in the USSR on the basis of trawlers, whalers and others.

        In Baltiysk, it seems like there was a whole division of such and a couple in Tallinn. Back in the late 60s, early 70s, the same SRT and SRTR worked with us in the Norfolk and Nantucket area.

        I don’t understand your “cheerful” mood in the company of those who are laughing ...
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  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 August 2020 13: 52 New
    -2
    When you read that "Ukraine ... blah blah ... NEWEST ... blah blah", after the word "newest" it becomes funny. what Why?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 August 2020 14: 53 New
    0
    Where will the Laguna go?
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  • Old26
    Old26 29 August 2020 15: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: tihonmarine
    In Baltiysk, it seems like there was a whole division of such and a couple in Tallinn. Back in the late 60s, early 70s, the same SRT and SRTR worked with us in the Norfolk and Nantucket area.

    But for some, the appearance of reconnaissance ships on the basis of such ships makes the enemy laugh. Instead of thinking ...
    1. Nestor
      Nestor 29 August 2020 16: 27 New
      0
      In addition to the names, a couple of photos and the fact that the hull of the trawler is unknown, only rumors! No one thinks about why such a regime of secrecy and it is just as clear that "trough," right ?! laughing
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 29 August 2020 16: 20 New
    +2
    The base for the reconnaissance ship was the hull of the trawler project 502EM "Eget"

    And, I think that he reminds me so)), if they will disguise themselves as a seiner))
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 29 August 2020 17: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: ltc22A
    And nothing funny. Disguising a warship as a civilian ship is normal practice in all fleets.

    mmmmmmmm ....... the hull is used from the old stocks of the factory ..... well, that is, "I blinded you from what was" is more correct ..... by the way, I must admit that fishing vessels are usually good sailors, not fast but stable and reliable
  • Constanty
    Constanty 29 August 2020 18: 10 New
    -1
    As if I saw our PIU "Kontradmirał Xawery Czernicki". While real countries are building destroyers, frigates or even real corvettes, countries with once developed shipbuilding industries are building "something" based on trailers, a demagnetizing station ... Bad joke
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 29 August 2020 19: 39 New
    -1
    "The base for the reconnaissance ship was the hull of the trawler project 502EM" Eget "from the stock of the plant. In 1971 - 2009, 347 trawlers of this type were built in Kiev, five more hulls remained unfinished at the enterprise, one of which served as the basis."
    This is where we should start.
    Ah, then - the newest ... unparalleled in the world ...
    They stuck a certain head on the professional pipe. And on you. Get a village tractor.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 29 August 2020 20: 49 New
    -1
    There is no fleet, but there is a scout, and why should they? Even if you give information to your American patrons, you still need to exploit it, and where is the money ...................
  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 August 2020 22: 46 New
    0
    Medium reconnaissance ships are designed to perform the following functions:

    radio interception of communication channels at various frequencies
    retransmission of closed communication channels
    telemetry reconnaissance
    electronic intelligence - identifying the affiliation and characteristics of radio emission sources
    identification and classification of sources of electromagnetic radiation, measurements of physical fields
    drawing up acoustic and electromagnetic "portraits" of ships and submarines
    control of sea communications
    fixing the movement of enemy ships
    observation of artillery fire and missile launches

  • uav80
    uav80 31 August 2020 09: 19 New
    0
    The radar was placed right above the exhaust pipes ..)))