In India: China does not retreat and increases activity near the border

The Indian media published materials stating that China has again increased its activity near the border - in the Ladakh region.

Recall that it was in those places some time ago that a clash between Indian and Chinese military personnel took place, which led to casualties.

In the Indian press, citing military structures, it is said that the Chinese military are involved not only in the construction of "new barracks in the Pangong Lake area, but also in the creation of the infrastructure of 5G communication networks."

In the Indian media:

China is not backing down. This happens despite the agreements that were reached earlier after the incident in Ladakh. India discovered the appearance of the Chinese military and armored vehicles where, according to the agreements, they should not be. Defense Chief of Staff General Bipin Rawat said that if negotiations fail, India will consider military options.

Reports indicate that China has mobilized and deployed soldiers in the Lipuleh Pass, which is a strategic point on the borders of three states - India, Nepal and China.

In the PRC, Indian publications and statements by General Rawat have not yet been commented on.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

In the fight between India and China, I bet on China. The Indians look very ceremoniously popular - parades with elephants, corruption in the procurement of weapons, an unimaginable "hodgepodge" in weapons ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In a marriage between India and China, I bet on China. The Indians look very ceremoniously popular - parades with elephants, corruption in the procurement of weapons, an unimaginable "hodgepodge" in weapons ...

Well, how to say, the Indians have some kind of experience, that is, they have been constantly butting with packs for decades. I think there will be no war, so small showdowns, and maintaining the smoldering embers, an external enemy, is always needed, otherwise the people will cease to be afraid.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the fight between India and China, I bet on China.

There will be people dying, and you are making bets?
You do not accidentally kill cats?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

There will be people dying, and you are making bets?
You do not accidentally kill cats?

I am very worried about people. And I love cats. Yes, just do not depend on their "disassembly" of my wishes. If I bet on a boxer in a fight, this does not mean that I love a fight ...

[Alexey Sommer]

You are confusing sports with war. Don't get carried away.
Yes, and you're lying cynically, if you were worried, you never wrote such nonsense. However, this is forgivable to the child.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Yes, and you're lying cynically, if you were worried, you never wrote such nonsense. However, this is forgivable to the child.

It's a pity, it's a pity that everyone who knows everything about everyone already works - either as taxi drivers or as hairdressers ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

already work - either as taxi drivers, or as hairdressers ...

Are you talking about yourself? I don’t understand. In general, I am an engineer and I work without going into details. And so the leader, sorry for the details, Comrade Toy Marshal of the Army.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Are you talking about yourself? I don’t understand. In general, I am an engineer and I work without going into details. And so the leader, sorry for the details, comrade toy marshal of the army

Engineer? Yah? Well, keep yourself within limits, but the feeling that you have not heard about politeness in communication ... bile in your head?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, keep yourself within the bounds, but the feeling that you have not heard about politeness in communication.

And how have I offended you?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And how have I offended you?

Without realizing the level and competence of the interlocutor, you assume that he is incompetent ... in everything. Who said - question everything? Even your own worth is worth exposing ...

[Private-K]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the fight between India and China, I bet on China. The Indians look very ceremoniously popular - parades with elephants, corruption in the procurement of weapons, an unimaginable "hodgepodge" in weapons ...

India has at least some military experience.
China has almost no modern military experience. They haven't really fought since 1951. (China's Vietnam adventure was identical to what they did in Korea in 1950.) China's only real combat experience is to crush with a mass of "human waves", which is completely unacceptable under current conditions.
No amount of exercise can set up a war machine enough for a real war. Soooo shoals will climb ...
The Chinese are purely flat inhabitants, and here the entire operational direction of the mountain with heights of at least 4 km. And the Indians are more accustomed to the mountains.
So it won't be easy for anyone.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Private-K

They haven't really fought since 1951. (China's Vietnam adventure was identical to what they did in Korea in 1950.)

But what about the Indo-Chinese conflicts?

Those. China's only real combat experience is to crush with a mass of "human waves", which is completely unacceptable under current conditions.
No amount of exercise can set up a war machine enough for a real war. Soooo shoals will climb ...

How about the PLA's capture of the Paracel Islands, which belonged first to South Vietnam, and then to Vietnam?

The Chinese are purely flat inhabitants, and here the entire operational direction of the mountain with heights of at least 4 km. And the Indians are more accustomed to the mountains.

1/3 of the PRC is occupied by mountain ranges ...

[Private-K]

Quote: Lara Croft

But what about the Indo-Chinese conflicts?

Did something bigger than a platoon take part in real full-fledged battles there?
And in India in the Indo-Pakistani conflicts - it is quite itself and very much even.

Quote: Lara Croft

How about the PLA's capture of the Paracel Islands, which belonged first to South Vietnam, and then to Vietnam?

There were battles? Assault landing with gnawing through the fortified area?

Quote: Lara Croft

1/3 of the PRC is occupied by mountain ranges ...

So what? They NEVER fought there. All Chinese history takes place on a flat plain half of which ceased to be a sea shelf only a few thousand years ago.

Again: all real military experience of modern China is STRICTLY limited to the participation of "human waves" (tm) in the Korean War of 1950-51.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Private-K

Did something bigger than a platoon take part in real full-fledged battles there?

Yes ...
In July 1960 years the first fire contacts between the forces of the parties in the eastern disputed zone took place, and in October there was combat interaction in the western sector.
On October 20, 1962, hostilities took on a fierce character. The Chinese attacked the Indian positions near Dhola and Khinseman, and then developed an offensive from two flanks to Tawang - from Bumla in the north and from the west, where the Chinese pursued Indian troops retreating from Nyamkachu (near the Dhola post). Then there was a lull in the fighting for several days.
14 November - resumption of battles, which by this time also spread to the east in the Valong sector and in the north to Ladakh, where Chushul and Reseng La were heavily besieged by the Chinese.
On November 20, the Chinese suppressed almost the entire Kameong division and literally defeated the 4th Infantry Division of India. The Valong sector has witnessed more equal and therefore unfinished battles. In Ladakh, there was not the same indecision that was demonstrated in the Northeast. Fierce localized fighting took place here, especially in Reeng La.

There were battles? Assault landing with gnawing through the fortified area?
Was not on the islands of URs ...
There was a sea battle ...
https://alternathistory.livejournal.com/932529.html

So what? They NEVER fought there.

A strange statement, how then did Tibet become part of the PRC and where did the border conflicts between India and the PRC in that area in 1962, 1967, 2020 go?

Once again: all the real military experience of modern China is STRICTLY limited to the participation of "human waves" (tm) in the Korean War of 1950-51.

That you managed to repeat the same thing, like a mantra, you want to impose your "only correct" opinion, in vain ...

[smart fellow]

So he and the Korean War in 1951 ended. Eh private, you cannot become a general!

[mvg]

They haven't really fought since 1951.

I would have studied the history of China more closely .. And for the mountains too .. For example 60 years.

[smart fellow]

These are stereotypes created by propaganda. The Korean War ended in 1953. And after negotiations began, both sides launched offensive operations, although not on the same scale as before. In Korea, the Chinese did not put pressure on them in mass, but used guerrilla tactics that had been worked out in the war with the Japanese. In terms of the number of forces, the parties were approximately equal, perhaps the UN forces had even more. they were not afraid of aerial bombardment. Due to the relief of the Korean Peninsula, with all the desire, the Chinese could not increase their numbers due to the dominance of the enemy's air force in the air and problems with logistics. Nevertheless, MacArthur demanded that nuclear strikes be carried out on the Chinese troops (and on other targets, there the Americans and Northeast China and the Far East of the USSR wanted to throw atomic bombs and radioactive cobalt on the border with China) when, in his opinion, the Chinese were planning an offensive and he suggested, that the UN troops will not stand it and will run.
In Vietnam, the Chinese have achieved their goal. After this campaign, Vietnam ceased to claim dominance in Southeast Asia. And China began rebuilding the army and modernizing weapons.
After the Korean War, in general, there was no "real war". The wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Libya and the bombing of Serbia cannot be classified as "real wars".
Watched a BBC film about the India-China conflict. The Chinese bypassed the Indian troops along the snowy passes (like Suvorov through the Alps) and surrounded the Indian troops. The Chinese soldier recalls how for 3 days they walked through the snowy mountains, took the Indians prisoner, and then, by order of the command, gave them their rations and took them out in cars, which they dragged to the mountains in their hands. Then everyone expected that the Chinese would go to Delhi and take it because the Indians had no combat-ready troops. But like Vietnam, they just taught the Indians a lesson.

[Husit]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the fight between India and China, I bet on China. The Indians look very ceremoniously popular - parades with elephants, corruption in the procurement of weapons, an unimaginable "hodgepodge" in weapons ...

And I bet on the USA! They Eugene in this fight will skim the cream ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In a marriage between India and China, I bet on China. The Indians look very ceremoniously popular - parades with elephants, corruption in the procurement of weapons, an unimaginable "hodgepodge" in weapons ...

Probably in a fight, not in marriage?
In a fight between two nuclear powers, you must bet on ... In such a fight, very few spectators will be able to live to see its end.

[Mavrikiy]

In India: China does not retreat and increases activity near the border

Well, the Indian elephant beguiled the borders. In the jungle he is, if not the king, then the most ... On the highway there is no worse monkey driving the Yuan dump truck.

[Husit]

Quote: Shuttle

In a fight between two nuclear powers, you must bet on ... In such a fight, very few spectators will be able to live to see its end.

They will be afraid to use, but they can simply arrange a fight, the population is off scale

[yfast]

In general, the Chinese little by little begin to become impudent in all directions. Soon, the whole world will have to see off the rice age. On their own land and water they behave like barbarians, and they just don't give a damn about someone else's.

[Quadro]

Well, yes, Europeans and Americans directly care about the rest of the world. Open your eyes, ay. Look where they take out all the dangerous garbage, how they poisoned people all over the world with their chemical plants, they push all the rubbish from Monsanto, that then nothing will grow at all. Seeds with AIDS were sold to the French. Are they all taking care of people and the land? They all just shove nasty things into other countries. Since when has the defense of one's interests been impudent? Can you tell your owners about the impudence behind the puddle? Well, yes, you don't have to write fairy tales about Siberia, only Taiwan dreams of it.

[yfast]

Quote: Quadro

Can you tell your owners about the impudence behind the puddle? Well, yes, you don't have to write fairy tales about Siberia, only Taiwan dreams of it.

Have you identified what the Chinese are doing to the land, growing vegetables on our land? They fish in such a way that no one lives there. And so in everything. Of course they have their own interests, but no one else is included in these interests.
The Chinese will not take you to clean your shoes, do not hope.

[Quadro]

Well, then the Americans will immediately take you as an engineer or as a policeman. Have you seen what America's Monsanto is doing with Indian farms? Or European-American eimplants? Well, yes, the Chinese do not climb much in our country, unlike the Koreans, who cut down forests. And by the way, the Chinese are not such fascists as your masters. A lot of our people live and work there, and it's far from shoe shine. Maybe you can’t do anything except shine shoes?

[yfast]

Quote: Quadro

Well, then the Americans will immediately take you as an engineer or as a policeman. Have you seen what America's Monsanto is doing with Indian farms? Or European-American eimplants?

What's a bad habit of starting to poke if someone else has a different point of view? Poke your wife.

And by the way, the Chinese are not such fascists as your masters.

My masters are in the Kremlin, I don't like them very much lately, but I would not call them fascists.

A lot of our people live and work there, and it's far from shoe shine.

People like you are not needed there for nothing. And those who work there will leave as soon as there is no need.

Maybe you can’t do anything except shine shoes?

Can.

[St_Igor]

And I bet on Putin. It's all about the Silk Road, and if BB hacks down this common project, then both India and China will lose a lot. In addition, China has graters in all directions: the USA, Vietnam, etc. War breaks out - The Chinese economy will collapse and their 50 year plan is over. I think the gnashing of teeth will be strong, but not war.