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What can prevent the collapse of Belarus?

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What can prevent the collapse of Belarus?

In the stormy days of August, the people of Belarus found themselves on the verge of collapse and absorption by the West according to the Ukrainian scenario. Until he stopped at a line after which there would be no turning back. Why this happened is a subject for a separate discussion, now the main thing is to understand what to do in this difficult situation, where to go next.


Split of the Belarusian society


Lukashenko did not stop the protest movement, but only prevented an attempted coup. With his inadequate actions in recent years, he destroyed what he had created for decades, destroyed the base of his social support and alienated his supporters. The protests involve not only nationalists and pro-Western intelligentsia, but broad masses of the population, dissatisfied with the existing order.

By the time of the elections, the society was split into supporters and opponents of Lukashenka. At the same time, a significant part of the population, for various reasons, wants Lukashenka to leave his post; it's not just that protests are held under the main slogan "Go away!" The popular indignation was saddled and crushed by nationalists and henchmen of the Western intelligence services, skillfully leading and directing the protests in the direction they needed - the separation of Belarus from Russia. They are pushing the country towards disaster.

The mechanisms for creating a union state through the efforts of Lukashenka are frozen and do not work. Lukashenko himself began to question the idea of ​​integration with Russia, and the nationalists purposefully, with the support of the authorities, drove the ideas of integration into the West. A large part of the disoriented Belarusian society has followed the lead of pro-Western nationalists and under their leadership seeks to overthrow Lukashenka. There is no one to lead the part of the society oriented towards Russian unity, except for Lukashenko, and he is trying to play in a multi-vector approach and cannot decide in any way where to go. There is a civil conflict and a split in society over fundamental issues: what state to build and with whom to integrate.

It is no longer possible to return to the state Belarus was in before the elections. Such a conflict cannot be resolved by force, the differences in society are too fundamental; without a civil dialogue on finding ways out of the crisis, it will always smolder and ignite with renewed vigor. In this regard, questions arise: who can initiate such a dialogue, determine its purpose, format, participants and the adoption of which documents should it end? The president can initiate a dialogue if he really cares not about his sole power, but wants to preserve the country he has been creating for decades.

The dialogue should not be conducted with the president, his task is to initiate such a forum and propose a form for its holding. Lukashenka discredited himself with his latest statements and actions, lost the trust of a significant part of society and must leave, but not as a result of a coup, but as a result of a constitutional reform, which should be prepared and discussed. As a temporary measure, it is simply necessary now, there is no one else to keep the country from chaos. The president must publicly declare that his task is not to stay in power, but to transfer it into reliable hands.

The need for a Zemsky Sobor


At this stage, a consensus of the majority of society is needed on the further development of Belarus with an objective assessment of the pros and cons of integration with the West or Russia. To develop a consensus, a platform or body is needed, the legitimacy of which is recognized by the Belarusian society. There is no such body today, it must be created, and the most effective and acceptable way of working out public opinion in times of troubles, known from ancient times in Russia, may turn out to be the most effective. This is a Zemsky Sobor, an analogue of a constitutional meeting. To calm society down, the consensus-building process must begin immediately.

Here the most essential question is: who forms the council and by whom it should be represented. The current government and the noisy opposition cannot shape it, and society does not trust either one or the other. Apparently, the Belarusian parliament should propose a procedure for forming a council and, after public consultations and discussions, approve it.

The council should be represented not by the current elite, not by the vertical of power, not by the comprador opposition and not by street shouts, but by authorized representatives delegated by all sections of society (civil, professional, political, public, territorial, confessional and age groups) authorized to speak on behalf of the citizens who delegated them and determine the conditions for future cohabitation. The authorities must create conditions for the work of the council and ensure public discussion of the decisions considered and adopted by the council.

The purpose of the council is to work out a strategy for the development of Belarus and the stages of its implementation, a draft constitution, a procedure for the election and appointment of the country's governing bodies in the transition period. The decisions of the council must be approved by a popular referendum, and neither the current nor the future authorities should have the right to cancel them.

Russia's role


As one of the sides of the union state and as the center of Russian civilization, which has a decisive influence in the post-Soviet space, Russia cannot stay away from these processes. It is high time to move from the ostrich non-interference in the political life of Belarus and the solution of only economic issues of integration based on oil and gas to the role of the leader of the post-Soviet space, defending the civilizational values ​​of the Russian super-ethnos.

The role of Russia lies not only in political speculation on the basis of hydrocarbon prices, but in the formation of an attractive image of the future of Russia, the entire post-Soviet space and the introduction of Russian civilizational values ​​that contribute to the integration of the outskirts of Russia, where Belarus is far from the last place. In many ways, one should learn from the West and intercept its technologies and methods. Instead of financing the economy of Belarus, the West is not stingy to invest in the ideological indoctrination of the Belarusian population and instill anti-Russian views in it. The experience of working with Lukashenko's team has shown that it is quite difficult to keep the people of Belarus in the sphere of its influence only by economic preferences; the West has achieved much greater success by influencing the minds of Belarusians.

Instead of inadequate actions by a part of the Russian elite working for the interests of Gazprom and trying to impose the pro-Western businessman Babariko on the Belarusian society as an alternative to Lukashenko, it is necessary to offer and prove the undeniable advantages of the political and economic unity of our countries at all levels. Try not to force integration, but look for mutually beneficial conditions, declare the preservation of the achievements of Belarus (social protection of the population, absence of unemployment and social stratification of society, state protection of strategic industries, an acceptable standard of living) and implement them through the mechanisms of the union state.

All this suggests that only a public dialogue between a healthy part of the Belarusian elite and society about the future of the country with an intelligible and balanced ideological and economic policy of Russia can lead to the development of specific steps to prevent the degradation and absorption of Belarus by its western neighbors, which, having now failed, will still will not calm down and will torment the shard of the Soviet Union until they achieve their goal.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 August 2020 05: 05 New
    +8
    The need for a Zemsky Sobor
    Well, this is an institute. What for? The referendum is simpler and more transparent.
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 29 August 2020 05: 39 New
      +4
      One does not exclude the other.
      Council decisions must be approved by a popular referendum,

      The Council must determine possible options for the future of Belarus, formulating them in the form of questions that will be submitted to a referendum.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 29 August 2020 07: 02 New
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        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
        The Council must determine possible options for the future of Belarus, formulating them in the form of questions that will be submitted to a referendum.

        Do you believe that the council, assembled from the liberals, will formulate the questions for you? Childish simplicity.
        There is no provision about the Council, who and how will enter it. So you will develop it with them.
        Quote: Sergey Karasev
        One does not exclude the other.
        belay It does not exclude, but disfigures.
        1. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 29 August 2020 08: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
          The Council must determine possible options for the future of Belarus, formulating them in the form of questions that will be submitted to a referendum.

          Do you believe that the council, assembled from the liberals, will formulate the questions for you? Childish simplicity.
          There is no provision about the Council, who and how will enter it. So you will develop it with them.
          Quote: Sergey Karasev
          One does not exclude the other.
          belay It does not exclude, but disfigures.

          What makes you think that the Council will be assembled from some liberals? In general, the idea of ​​the Council belongs to the author of the article, but I do not see anything seditious in it. The functions of the Council could have been taken over by the parliament, but in recent events it has not shown itself in any way. I think that it would be nice to change the functions of the parliament and electoral principles, then re-elect on new principles, then it will be able to fulfill the functions of the Council.
          I hope you will not deny the need for a national dialogue in Belarus?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 29 August 2020 11: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            The functions of the Council could have been taken over by the parliament, but in recent events it has not shown itself in any way.

            Don't you see a contradiction? The cathedral is a national forum and the parliament is a completely sexless entity.
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            I think that it would be nice to change the functions of the parliament and electoral principles, then re-elect on new principles, then it will be able to fulfill the functions of the Council.
            Who will give you the right to change electoral principles? Will you coordinate them with the liberals? fool
            Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
            I hope you will not deny the need for a national dialogue in Belarus?

            Empty chatter, for there is no mechanism other than a direct appeal to the people. Only bringing the people out into the streets and opposing them to the liberals can put them in their place.
            And the people are all in villages and small towns, and Minsk needs to be crushed. request
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 30 August 2020 11: 42 New
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              Both in Russia and in Belarus, a minority of the population lives in the countryside and in small towns.
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 30 August 2020 12: 07 New
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                Quote: Sergej1972
                Both in Russia and in Belarus, a minority of the population lives in the countryside and in small towns.

                Why are we delusional? In Minsk and cities from 300000 people. 4 million people live. the rest 6 are in rural areas and small towns.
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 30 August 2020 17: 10 New
                  +2
                  A small town is a city with a population of up to 50 thousand. And rudeness does not decorate a person.
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 30 August 2020 17: 23 New
                    +1
                    In most countries of the world, the bar is even lower. Usually small towns with a population of up to 20-30 thousand.
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 30 August 2020 17: 32 New
                    +1
                    In Belarus, towns of regional subordination are considered small cities, the vast majority of them are regional centers. And in all the population is less than 50 thousand, and in the majority it is much less. It is not clear on what basis you have chosen the bar of 300 thousand. Cities with a population of less than 300 thousand include the regional center Brest, and such cities as Borisov, Bobruisk and a number of others, which in no case can be considered small.
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 30 August 2020 07: 37 New
            +2
            The president must publicly declare that his task is not to stay in power, but to transfer it into reliable hands.

            The author's key thesis is erroneous, Lukashenka will categorically refuse to transfer power.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 29 August 2020 07: 44 New
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        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
        Cathedral must determine possible options for the future of Belarus, formulating them in the form of questions to be submitted to a referendum.

        There is a legally chosen one Parliamentrepresenting the people of the country.

        what other "cathedral"?
        1. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 29 August 2020 08: 34 New
          +1
          Something in the last weeks of the legally elected parliament is not visible or audible.
          I think that it would be nice to change the functions of the parliament and electoral principles, then re-elect on new principles, then it will be able to fulfill the functions of the Council.
          I hope you will not deny the need for a national dialogue in Belarus?
          1. Navel
            Navel 31 August 2020 10: 54 New
            -2
            Duc, in Sineokoy there is no normal legislative process, there is no rule of law. The country is governed by direct orders of the godfather Lukoshenko. The godfather wanted - he closed the factories, he wanted - he closed the electoral competitors and citizens of the neighboring state.
            This is unthinkable in Russia.

            The article calls for maintaining the existing level of subsidies for Belarus. Which directly contradicts the interests of Russia.

            It is necessary to decide: How can Belarus be useful for Russia in general? Its markets are closed for us for a large range of goods. Gas and oil are sold there at a reduced price with dubious profit. Blue-eyed does not produce any unique products, or rather its products are competitors to Russian ones in our Russian market. People? Well, if so, then it is necessary to create conditions for their mass relocation to the territory of Russia, and not artificially maintain a certain level of their provision in Belarus.
            And the money allocated annually for loans to this country will find application in Russia.
        2. sergo1914
          sergo1914 29 August 2020 09: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
          Cathedral must determine possible options for the future of Belarus, formulating them in the form of questions to be submitted to a referendum.

          There is a legally chosen one Parliamentrepresenting the people of the country.

          what other "cathedral"?


          An ordinary cathedral. The king will be chosen. So far there are two candidates. One, it seems, is more popular. But the other has a machine gun.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 29 August 2020 10: 49 New
            0
            Controversial and controversial article by Yuri Mikhailovich. On the whole correct, but not without errors.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 29 August 2020 18: 05 New
              +5
              Yes, there is not enough correct, some kind of cathedral invented. Or this
              Part of a society focused on Russian unity, except for Lukashenko, there is no one to lead
              , well, again - the king is irreplaceable, somewhere we have already heard this, that there is no way to change kings, that kings must rule forever. It all smells bad somehow.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 30 August 2020 14: 24 New
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                The trouble is that now it is too late to change. The crossing happened ...
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 29 August 2020 11: 22 New
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            Quote: sergo1914
            But the other has a machine gun.
            Only either the patrons are dumb, or the desire to put things in order. request
          3. Campanella
            Campanella 30 August 2020 14: 26 New
            0
            Well, which teacher to choose strict or liberal pop music?
            You cannot compare the incomparable.
            Tikhanov doll!
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 30 August 2020 14: 33 New
          -2
          So this Polish extortion casts doubt on all legal bodies.
          In principle, for such calls, and in fact it is a coup d'état and treason to the Motherland, it is necessary to punish accordingly, but since there are enough fools, there are many, a difficult situation arises.
          Option one constitutional reform from above, to shut the throats of bawlers.
          You can, of course, use a Western approach, provoke the protesters and then use them against them, showing what a rare shit they are, and not people at all, but wild animals. Something Alya white helmets.
        4. saigon
          saigon 2 September 2020 11: 53 New
          0
          There is also a fierce submachine gunner, there is also a president, have you dear Andrey already written off?
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 August 2020 05: 41 New
      +9
      why does the Author say: "... the policy of Russia ..."? this is Putin's policy, and Putin is not Russia.
      1. Kondratich
        Kondratich 1 September 2020 12: 13 New
        +1
        Putin, not Russia

        Justify
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 29 August 2020 06: 32 New
      +7
      Another way, like a civil war, to resolve contradictions within the state, has not yet been invented. Other wars are for the resolution of interstate ones. Read the classics.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 29 August 2020 08: 23 New
        0
        Reading the comments comes the understanding that the Belarusians, headed by their own Lukashenko, if RUSSIA is needed, then only as part of the Republic of Belarus and nothing else.
        Even more surprising are the * wondrous creatures * who, well, do not see or hear any outright threats from Europe towards RUSSIA and RUSSIAN citizens. But there they are not at all embarrassed to discuss the future section of RUSSIA and the * quota * for the number of RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
        Therefore, we have such costs for defense and for the development of weapons.
        The fact that RUSSIA has managed to secure its PEOPLE in such a way is already a great achievement. It's time to deal with enemies who seem to be like citizens, but live by other people's interests and on other people's money.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 13: 38 New
          +8
          Quote: Vasily50
          It's time to deal with enemies who seem to be like citizens, but live by other people's interests and on other people's money.

          And those who live by their own interests and do not need public money?
    4. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 29 August 2020 09: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The referendum is simpler and more transparent.

      While Lukashenka is in power - no. And while his tame ideologues are planted in warm places in the courts, the prosecutor's office, the CEC, too. They will draw any numbers, at least 96% for the coronation of Luke and his family.

      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
      Something in the last weeks of the legally elected parliament is not visible or audible.

      Because the parliament is controlled by you you know who. They will not bite the one who sat them in warm chairs.

      Quote: Vasily50
      Do not see or hear outright threats from Europe to RUSSIA and RUSSIAN citizens. But there they are not at all embarrassed to discuss the future section of RUSSIA and the * quota * for the number of RUSSIAN PEOPLE.

      In this case, it will not be difficult for you to provide evidence of these speeches. And the request is not from the RosSMI channels.
      I can say that threats from Russia to Europe, the USA, Ukraine and now Belarus are heard regularly. Dismember, rip apart, we can repeat it into nuclear ashes. In the case of Belarusians - to crush the ungrateful with tanks.
      Even without leaving the forum, it is easy to search.

      Quote: Vasily50
      Therefore, we have such costs for defense and for the development of weapons.
      The fact that RUSSIA was able to at least so secure its PEOPLE

      Only now the ungrateful people do not appreciate this and run away, do not want to give birth under such protection. You won't be full of tanks.

      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 13: 46 New
        0
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        I can say that threats from Russia to Europe, the USA, Ukraine and now Belarus are heard regularly.

        And like in the opposite direction, they do not sound?
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        Dismember, rip apart, we can repeat it into nuclear ashes. In the case of Belarusians - to crush the ungrateful with tanks.
        Even without leaving the forum, it is easy to search.

        I am rather in favor of the role of Belarus for Russia, as Mexico for the United States. And Cho is very democratic you will obviously like it. Tyzh for our model of democracy shining city on the hill.
      2. begemot20091
        begemot20091 29 August 2020 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        Only now the ungrateful people do not appreciate this and run away, do not want to give birth under such protection. You won't be full of tanks.

        the Poles will feed and Lithuania will help, otherwise they will become too hungry. The laxative carriage has already been sent to Grodno.
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 30 August 2020 14: 21 New
        -1
        Do you guarantee that those who replace him will not paint and cheat?
        You say naive things.
    5. at84432384
      at84432384 29 August 2020 14: 58 New
      +1
      A referendum is simpler, but only yes or no. But at the council, you can discuss a problem, hold a discussion and find some solutions. Long, dreary, not without that, but it is clear who and what means. Much more transparent than a referendum, which, as recent history shows, the authorities also spit on.
    6. Campanella
      Campanella 30 August 2020 14: 18 New
      0
      The question is not in the referendum. People are bullied, they have to cool down, objectively assess the situation and only then make a decision.
      Undoubtedly, in this case, the West will also put spokes in the wheels, so there must also be a coordinator.
      In general, there are more questions than answers.
      The crowd at the rally is not constructive, it is a mechanism of destruction, so some institution is needed which the majority will trust.
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      2. U-58
        U-58 29 August 2020 08: 39 New
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        Yes, that's an option. But let's give a brief analysis "for the day after tomorrow."
        Belarus entered Russia. Is everyone happy? Yes. And I am glad to the fraternal people and the growth of Russia.
        Then privatization is carried out.
        Those who will be in the right place at the right time (passed) will win.
        Then the primary accumulation of capital will begin (everything, according to Marx, passed).
        The poor will get poorer and the rich richer.
        Power (of all levels) will begin to shift to the rich.
        Capital will begin to merge with power (again, according to Marx, we walked around and we pass).
        And in 15 years we have in Belarus what we want to save it from today. With the only peculiarity that Belarus will be in the political and economic sense in the orbit of Moscow, and not Berlin, Brussels and Washington.
        And where, comrades, is the logic?
        Russia in the future will benefit from all this. But will the Belarusian people benefit from this?
        The doubts that torment me are far from vague ..
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 29 August 2020 09: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: U-58
          Belarus entered Russia. Is everyone happy? Yes. And I am glad to the fraternal people and the growth of Russia.
          Then privatization is carried out.


          The main thing here is to hurry up and at the same time privatize Lithuania. Those do not expect such a bastard.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 08 New
          +4
          You must understand that there is no talk of Belarus winning in some way. That's it, nowadays no one will nurse the Belarusians to capitalism.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 August 2020 05: 14 New
    -2
    It is not the nationalists who drive a stake into the split between Belarus and Russia, but the proteges of the West in the national society of Belarus ... this must be clearly understood. Russia should have long ago won over this highly motivated part of Belarusians ... nothing of this was done.
    1. Deck
      Deck 29 August 2020 07: 18 New
      +8
      It is not the nationalists who drive a stake into the split between Belarus and Russia, but the proteges of the West


      Apparently, Western henchmen are sitting in the Kremlin. What the conditional West is doing now: non-recognition of Lukashenka, financial and moral support for striking workers, shelter for victims of repression, condemnation of the atrocities of the security forces What Putin offers Belarusians: recognition and congratulations of Lukashenka and promises to introduce a "reserve of law enforcement officers"
      At VO there is a fairly large group of citizens from a country where in the 90s everything was stolen under the guise of privatization, and then 3/4 of the factories were abandoned or razed to the ground. Where pensions are half as much and five years later than in Poland, they teach unreasonable Belarusians how to live on. No enemy can think of more disgusting for the attitude of Belarusians to Russia. Or pays local commentators.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 29 August 2020 07: 40 New
        +8
        well, you just write seditiousness ... shhaaa you will be "driven into your slippers" by a horde of putriots ...
      2. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 29 August 2020 10: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Deck
        No enemy can think of more disgusting for the attitude of Belarusians to Russia. Or pays local commentators.

        As it was correctly noted on this forum by various users: "Nobody has done more to alienate the population of Belarus from Russia than a leavened patriot."
        Threats to press down with tanks, that few people were using truncheons to register "purchased" ones, that riot police had to shoot a dozen people in order to scare "Polish provocateurs" and in the same spirit. It instills "brotherly love" very well good
      3. Motorist
        Motorist 29 August 2020 18: 37 New
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        Quote: Deck
        VO has a fairly large group of citizens from a country where ... pensions are two times less and five years later than in Poland

        This is what country where people retire at 70, do you mean?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 11 New
      -1
      You are clearly delusional. Nationalists will always be against Russia. That is why they are nationalists.
  4. beeper
    beeper 29 August 2020 05: 15 New
    +5
    The role of Russia lies not only in political speculation on the basis of hydrocarbon prices, but in the formation of an attractive image of the future of Russia, the entire post-Soviet space and the introduction of Russian civilizational values ​​that contribute to the integration of the outskirts of Russia,

    Oh, if only such beautiful-hearted dreams would come true! winked
    1. beeper
      beeper 29 August 2020 06: 19 New
      0
      Dear Yuri Apukhtin, alas, does not represent the real scale of the creeping Russophobic and anti-Russian "Belarusianization" and the activity of Westernoid subversive elements grown up "under Lukashenka" and the victims of their decades society from top to bottom, especially the younger generation!

      This whole venture with the "electoral college", oops, the wrong letters were printed ... with the Zemsky Sobor (to me, this Apukhtinsky, by the way, also immediately inspired the "beautiful-hearted" lingering "Russian builder" with its obvious utopianism, no offense, I understand that Yuri Mikhailovich - this is not a hypocritical and deceitful "messiah" Alexander Isaich, but sincerely seeks a way out of the anti-Russian impasse into which Belarus was driven by the "multi-vector" AHL and its closest pro-American pro-American "Lithuanian" companions in the "helm of power"!), as and negotiations on a "consensus" (a direct reference to the Judeo-Mazepaism of Micah the Labeled and his accomplices, under this brand name "surrendering" our USSR and "socialist camp countries" to the collective West!) "with the Western-like Russophobic" opposition "will not lead to anything good! No.
      Russia, the Russian authorities, should realize and clearly formulate their state goals, as well as the means and ways to achieve them, and start seriously, with all their might to protect their state interests and spheres of influence!
      So far (from the side-looking from outside the borders of the Russian Federation, but maybe from the inside, from the Kremlin, another view opens up-illusory-pink ?! winked ) this, in fact, is not observed! request
      And "more than once already concerned (" the last Kremlin warning "and" N-th concern of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs "have almost become Internet memes!)" Kremlin "strategists" need to "wake up ITS Russian state interests and "to work (yes, precisely in those conditions of growing confrontation that have already worked a lot, in Belarus, in Belarus), which have developed under their" drowsy "connivance, far from ideal,a person must be compelled to do good! wink
      IMHO
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 August 2020 19: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: pishchak
        Russia, the Russian authorities, should realize and clearly formulate their state goals, as well as the means and methods of achieving them, and to start seriously, by all means to defend their state interests and spheres of influence!
        for this it is necessary at least to restore ...East Germany!!
        alas ... for this you just need to win in WWII v.2 (not in TMV !!!!) and join back the limitrophes, the GDR and Poland ...
        Other ways to protect their spheres of influence - the Russian Federation has no
        "Boys in the region" (USA + EU and RF) divide the "stall" (Belarus) - whoever wins - the power will be in Belarus. Regardless of the local population ... and the elections will be held as necessary ...

        And the saddest thing is that no remnants of socialism will remain there in any case.
        1. beeper
          beeper 29 August 2020 20: 55 New
          0
          your1970
          And the saddest thing is that no remnants of socialism will remain there in any case.

          hi Yes, for a long time Belarus held out without large-scale destructive perturbations - Shushkevich did not have time to completely immerse himself in the "holy 90s" ... during this contaminated Polish "destructive" BCHBeshnik, who then did not accept the apologists of Nazi minions,
          Belarusians replaced them with a practical collective farm "gypsy (no offense or racism, I myself have a considerable share of gypsy blood yes ) "- the chairman!
          By the way, tomorrow at AGL's Day, even the Maydauns will gather to congratulate in their own way!
          Although they say that "the smart learn from other people's mistakes, and the stupid learn from their own", but this, as we see in the "fresh example", only "figure of speech" - someone else's experience ("son of difficult mistakes") does not go for the future ?! request
          The next "clever men" for "science" are looking for their guide-beaky "fried rooster" (well, or, such a burnt-out "beaky chicken", who escaped from the kitchen ... winked ) "?!
  5. certero
    certero 29 August 2020 05: 18 New
    +4
    I have read something like this before. Only about Russia.
    I remember there was such a disruptive writer Solzhenitsyn who loved to talk about everything about Zemshchina ...
    In Belarus, Lukashenka needs to pull himself together and hold elections that will be fair. Most likely, he will win on them. But after that he needs to prepare a shift. Well, this is all good if he really cares about the country and not about himself.
    1. Griffit
      Griffit 29 August 2020 08: 35 New
      +6
      Even if they are 150% honest, the West will not recognize them. Let us recall the Skripoli case, interference in the US elections, Boeing in Ukraine. I don't understand people who believe in the honesty of the West. The Jesuit dogma has long been in use there - the end justifies the means. And if in order to achieve the goal it will be necessary to deny the results of the most honest elections, to slaughter the patriots of Belarus, to destroy the economy, then they will deny, cut and destroy. And while still saying that Russia is to blame for everything. They will stupidly say that we broke, cut, burned, they will even publish pictures and videos, and they will call Russia a sucker, cattle, cotton wool, etc., since it could not protect its people. These are the West guys, remember how Hillary Clinton screamed Wow in ecstasy when Gaddafi was cut and tortured.
    2. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 29 August 2020 10: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: certero
      In Belarus, Lukashenka needs to pull himself together and hold elections that will be fair. Chances are he's on them

      Fair elections and Lukashenka's victory are incompatible things.
      He could not win even with full control of the state. apparatus over the elections and simply wrote a beautiful number. And you mean fair elections.
      Where there will be no week of early voting, where observers will not be driven out of the precincts and imprisoned, where there will be transparent ballot boxes and webcams at polling stations where everyone who wishes will enter the PEC members, and not elected and "experienced" people. Where there are no obstacles from the state, where, under a far-fetched pretext (and in violation of their own laws), candidates will not be imprisoned or signatures thrown out for them. Where the CEC member will not actually be A.G. and appointed.

      He would never do that.
  6. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 29 August 2020 05: 27 New
    +4
    Yeah ... Over the past 100 years, Russia has lost so much territory, but it is also losing its zones of influence, I don't even want to think about the future.
    1. apro
      apro 29 August 2020 05: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Over the last 100 years

      Over the past 30 years ....
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 29 August 2020 05: 53 New
        -15
        Quote: apro
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Over the last 100 years

        Over the past 30 years ....

        Over the past 30 years, Russia has not lost an inch of land, but in 1917. destroyed the Empire, the RFSR and 14 more sub-states of parasites, which evil geniuses from the west, turned into dependent appendages, without self-awareness. Only another, protracted military conflict can fix something, and a generational change after it. And so, it all looks like a stinking swamp, a long time ago.
        1. apro
          apro 29 August 2020 06: 37 New
          12
          Why do you need Senka Shaly these territories? What useful things can you do on them ?, 30 years of Russian farming gave a fabulous result?
        2. beeper
          beeper 29 August 2020 06: 42 New
          +5
          Senka naughty
          Over the past 30 years, Russia has not lost an inch of land

          Your lie, Senka crazy, And the United States, China and Norway have not given enough land (although yes, most of the land given is under water, and from above all kinds of fish are abundantly floating in schools) ??! winked
          And as for the zones of influence lost by Russia at its side, to be sure!
        3. siberalt
          siberalt 29 August 2020 06: 46 New
          10
          Over the past 30 years, Russia has given away all the union republics with historically Russian lands, industry and its people (about 30 million souls), China's border areas, Norway, Denmark and the United States millions of square kilometers of sea areas. China and South Korea lease fishing facilities almost forever. And who, together with our oligarchs, manages the oil and gas fields in the concession, owns the diamond mining, the production of aluminum and mineral fertilizers? Who annually takes trillions of money (capital) to offshore and abroad?
        4. tatra
          tatra 29 August 2020 06: 54 New
          -3
          Why are you lying and justifying the crimes of the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, who dismembered both Russia and the USSR? And inasmuch as the enemies of the Communists cowardly blame the Bolshevik-Communists for this, all of you yourself recognize your dismemberment of Russia and the USSR into your separate States as your crimes.
    2. tatra
      tatra 29 August 2020 06: 50 New
      +1
      First, the USSR was larger in territory than the Russian Empire was. Secondly, it was not Russia that lost, but the enemies of the communists dismembered Russia during the Civil War unleashed by them, and during their anti-Soviet Perestroika. And after they seized the republics of the USSR, they began to take territories from each other.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 29 August 2020 07: 10 New
        +3
        The Russian Empire somehow also included Poland and Manchuria, Alaska and California. And it will be better if you compare the areas of the Empire and the USSR on the maps.
        1. apro
          apro 29 August 2020 07: 20 New
          +3
          Sibiralt. In the zone of influence of the USSR at one time included the People's Republic of China, Poland, GDR, Hungary, BNR, Czechoslovakia, SRR ...
          1. your1970
            your1970 29 August 2020 19: 34 New
            0
            Quote: apro
            Sibiralt. In the zone of influence of the USSR at one time included the People's Republic of China, Poland, GDR, Hungary, BNR, Czechoslovakia, SRR ...
            - to enter the sphere of influence and be subject / pay taxes are completely different things. All the countries you named were relatively in themselves, but under the tsar, Poland and Finland fulfilled the will of the tsar
            1. apro
              apro 30 August 2020 02: 56 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              the countries you named were relatively on their own

              They followed the Soviet course in foreign policy? Were economically tied to the USSR.? Were in a united military organization with the Soviet command.?
              1. your1970
                your1970 30 August 2020 17: 51 New
                0
                Quote: apro
                Quote: your1970
                the countries you named were relatively on their own

                They followed the Soviet course in foreign policy? Were economically tied to the USSR.? Were in a united military organization with the Soviet command.?

                So what? Based your logic - Lithuania is following the course of the EU, economically tied to the EU, and a member of NATO - GEOGRAPHICALLY and LEGALLY is a province of France, the land of Germany and some kind of US state.
                How they did not fight over their territory, I don’t know what
                1. apro
                  apro 30 August 2020 18: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  Based on your logic

                  In whose interests are the main body movements? Obviously not in Lithuania ...
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 31 August 2020 07: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: apro
                    Quote: your1970
                    Based on your logic

                    In whose interests are the main body movements? Obviously not in Lithuania ...

                    The SFRY, Albania and the PRC were socialist countries, but at the same time they did not obey the USSR.
                    Once again, Poland and Finland were legally and de facto part of the Russian Empire. Today's Lithuania, despite its climbing boots to everyone who pays, is not a part of the United States.
        2. tatra
          tatra 29 August 2020 07: 22 New
          +2
          The territory of the Republic of Ingushetia is 21 800 251 km², the territory of the USSR is 22 402 200 km²
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 22 New
          +1
          Poland which was a temporary travel companion. Alaska and California are territories that were sold by non-living kings. Manchuria is generally to hug and cry remembering 1905 and the hands-on leadership of the army and navy and the country as a whole.
        4. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 30 August 2020 12: 24 New
          0
          I do not agree with the views of the Tatra, but in this matter she is right. The USSR was larger in area compared to the Russian Empire within the borders of the beginning of 1917. Manchuria and California have never been part of the Republic of Ingushetia. On the territory of Chinese Manchuria, RI leased the territory of the CER and for some time Port Arthur. But it was Chinese territory. At one time there was a small Fort Ross in California, owned by the Russian-American Company. It made up a tiny fraction of California. Alaska was not considered part of the empire, but was its possession. In addition, it was sold to the United States half a century before the revolution. If we take Russian Poland, then its territory is a little over 40 percent of the territory of the modern Republic of Poland. In general, it is incorrect to indicate territories that at the time of the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia were not part of it for a long time.
  7. Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 29 August 2020 05: 43 New
    +9
    The author sprinkled some nonsense. It's good that there is not much text.
    I would also suggest collecting the Agora as in the city-states of ancient Greece. In fact. I remember the first congress of people's deputies of the USSR. I have never seen such bedlam in my life. What ended up with the liquidation of the USSR. In troubled times, a dictator like Ivan Vasilyevich (Grozny) or Pinochet is needed and drastic measures to stabilize the situation without looking back to be good for everyone. Politics is not done that way. Lukashenka has “successfully” profiled the last two years, trying to be “his own man” for the West and In every possible way slowing down the final registration of the organs of the union state. The example of Yanukovych did not teach him anything, and Rostov is not rubber.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 25 New
      -3
      A coherent state is a chimera in the conditions of developed capitalism. Forget about this failed project that cost us billions of stolen money and the hatred of the majority of unfortunately still very stupid Belarusians.
      1. bycharashkO
        bycharashkO 29 August 2020 15: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        ... very stupid Belarusians.

        I think that you are wrong in condemning all the people at once.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 15: 12 New
          -6
          And I'm not talking about all the people. But about the majority who stupidly allowed to ride a protest to all scum natsiks, liberals and other supporters of correct capitalism in their favor. Who, when they get to power, will rob the people no worse than in Ukraine or in Russia in the 90s, and all this is accompanied by a song about bloody komunyaki patriotism and terrible Russia of flawed Russian great Europeans Litvin and a bright correct democratic west that will soon be built in Belarus. It is only necessary to endure one hundred and two hundred years until the bloody legacy of the scoop is done away with.
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 07: 54 New
      0
      The author sprinkled some nonsense. It's good that there is not much text.
      I would also suggest collecting the Agora as in the city-states of ancient Greece.

      Quite right, in the Republic of Belarus the conflict of interests cannot be resolved by talking, it is resolved in an explicit way, by the right of the strong.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 August 2020 06: 09 New
    19
    Again there was verbiage about the will of the president, about some kind of Zemsky Sobor and the role of Russia as a guarantor of stability ... fool stop
    Can't you ask the people? Prepare a real direct line (even on TV), where the opposition and pro-government structures will answer questions and prepare them for the referendum?
    What can Russia offer Belarus? Oligarchic capitalism with a wolf-faced beggarly salary, a living wage degrading human dignity and a change in business owners? Maybe anoint them with insurance medicine, bank loans, education system?
    There are no groundless assumptions that this “Belarusian disarray” is a prerequisite for Russian disruption.
    People have lost their life guidelines, moral values. Gone are the true heroes to look up to. Debt and credit bondage for beggarly handouts in the form of salaries has become a reality for the majority.
    Maybe someone from the authorities will explain why the desire to rule forever completely knocks out of the brain a sense of not only self-esteem and self-preservation, but also any statehood in actions?
    Life for the majority in shit and without prospects is opposed to the life of a small part of society (as it turned out, a handful of scoundrels who, for the sake of profit, can sell not only their mother and homeland, but also arrange genocide to their own people), who prefer to secure their future away from the problems of the country and the state.
    Only social equality can extinguish the heat of passions. Neither the West nor Russia can offer this.
    I suppose the worst case (if the power of Belarus, and after it, Russia does not change its mind). People can endure for a long time and resolve everything in one moment.
    God forbid to see the (white) Russian revolt, senseless and merciless.
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 August 2020 19: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Can't you ask the people? Prepare a real direct line (even on TV), where the opposition and pro-government structures will answer questions and prepare them for the referendum?

      Tikhanovskaya's program (from her website !!)
      “The main wealth of our country is its people. We must give them the opportunity to work and earn money. Today, many work at unprofitable enterprisesand hundreds of thousands, if not a million, abroad. We need to create jobs in Belarus.
      We will remove barriers to the development of small and medium-sized businesses... Let people create jobs themselves... Profitable state-owned enterprises will continue to operate. Professionals must deal with unprofitable.
      The country has professional economists and managers who will be able to improve living standards and reduce unnecessary government spending."

      That's it .... we can finish with this - Belarusians are waiting our 90s with "fitting into the market", "optimization of unprofitable industries" and "effective managers" ......

      When will the population finally learn to read the candidates' programs ?????
      It is written in Russian - "I will close everything that does not make a profit here and now, and the workers will go to look for a coven - so as not to die of hunger"
      And the most anecdote - when everyone will ruin it there - she will say "I set out everything in the program and you read it! I did not deceive you at all !!" "
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 30 August 2020 07: 59 New
        0
        By the way, the presidential candidates with support to the west are puppets of external forces and fulfill their will.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 29 August 2020 06: 12 New
    +7
    ... It is no longer possible to return to the state Belarus was in before the elections.

    The obvious and the probable is now the question.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 August 2020 07: 45 New
      +5
      Good morning Victor, hi In my opinion, what is happening is the continuation of the destruction of the USSR. The same processes that led then are at work. They did not disappear anywhere, did not withdraw themselves. They just slowed down.
      Interested people also exist.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 August 2020 08: 46 New
        +2
        Dmitry welcome soldier
        It is pointless to talk about the USSR now, it is necessary to create something viable, stable, to begin with. This is already a serious task, there are many obstacles along the way.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 August 2020 09: 16 New
          +3
          Victor as he said Stalin -----
          .... without theory ---- we are dead ...
          After all, denigrating the USSR, subjecting it to ridicule and slander, it is impossible to refer to a common history and a single state in the past. It is this ambiguity that hinders.
          I have a working day. Until the evening!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 August 2020 12: 07 New
            +1
            There are many more obstacles than nostalgia for union.
            We have no clear ideology, the goals and objectives of the action ... are exactly those that correspond to the level of development of the current political, and indeed other, elite.
            These, they CANNOT create anything worthwhile!
            Everything rests on the obstinacy of our people, well, a couple, the top three, they can somehow, they can, do something, prove it, show it ...
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 30 August 2020 07: 29 New
              +2
              That is why there is no ideology because the ambiguity of what is happening is visible., Victor! Capitalism is being built, its shortcomings are more and more visible. The USSR is being denigrated, its merits are known.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 August 2020 07: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Therefore, there is no ideology,

                In general, in all developed countries the same garbage .... ideology, so specific, remained only in the east.
  10. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 August 2020 06: 14 New
    10
    It is difficult to say what will happen to Belarus. If a leader, apart from forceful methods, has nothing to offer his people, is it worth talking about the future.
    1. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 29 August 2020 10: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: nikvic46
      If the leader, apart from forceful methods, can offer nothing to his people, is it worth talking about the future.

      Will not offer. And what does a leader have to offer after 26 years in office? Another devaluation and worsening of people's lives, because 20 strikers and the day of the sugar factory strike destroyed the result of two decades of work?

      The country is witnessing a complete loss of confidence in all state institutions.
      Nobody believes the media because they have stained themselves with the dirtiest lies and continue to do so.
      The siloviki have stained themselves in such a way that they will never wash themselves. And it's not even about dispersal and torture.
      The prosecutor's office has shown itself to be a spineless formation and there will be no justice over the brutal security forces.
      The courts are not even trying to create an imitation of the rule of law.
      All branches of government are incapable of dialogue and have lost trust.

      What is left for the population to do?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 32 New
        -6
        Your inappropriate demagogic whining is just fine. No adequate, some emotions with the necessary accents to play on the feelings of people. But here you are out of luck, you have wandered into the wrong resource, there are smart people here.
        1. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 29 August 2020 14: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          But here you are out of luck, you have wandered into the wrong resource, there are smart people here.

          These smart people voted for your "great" amendments to the constitution with zeroing, in one topic they praise Putin as the beacon of the nation, and in another they are indignant when tomato sultans wipe their feet about the Russian Federation and about another drop in living standards, birth rates and other Russian joys. And for a snack, they read Roman's articles about the ancient Russians who built Rome and suffering from the world conspiracy of the Anglo-Saxons and Zhidomassons good

          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Your inappropriate demagogic whining is just fine. No adequate, only emotions with the right accents

          Are you a Belarusian? No ? Then your opinion also has no "adequate", but only emotions and great-power complexes.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 15: 05 New
            -7
            Quote: TerribleGMO
            These smart people voted for your "great" amendments to the constitution with zero

            Have you been hit with candelabra for a long time? For example, I did not vote for these amendments. That is, you are corny lying.
            Quote: TerribleGMO
            Are you a Belarusian? No ? Then your opinion also has no "adequate", but only emotions and great-power complexes

            No, I'm not an iconic Aboriginal with claims of elitism like you. You can easily diagnose a complex of a flawed defective Natsik with a claim to being sluggish. Therefore, your claims to me about being great power are simply ridiculous to me.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 30 August 2020 12: 32 New
            0
            Russia is not a superpower like the USSR, but quite officially it is one of the 5-7 great powers. They are all five members of the UN Security Council, as well as of course India and Brazil. Another 2-3, with some degree of convention, can also apply for this role. Great-power complexes may exist in those countries that were great powers, but now they are not. For example, Poland or Portugal.
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 06 New
        -1
        Another devaluation and deterioration of people's lives,

        In Belarus, the standard of living is quite high, but that "we do not value it, but when we lose it we cry." After privatization, the industry is mostly focused on the Russian market, it will be liquidated, as the market people will reset the social sector, but it will be too late. Chasing lacy panties (which lures young people), they will remain at a broken trough.

    2. boni592807
      boni592807 5 September 2020 19: 00 New
      0
      nikvic46 (Nikolay Malyugin), August 29, 2020, 06:14
      It is difficult to say what will happen to Belarus. If a leader, apart from forceful methods, has nothing to offer his people, is it worth talking about the future.


      Again "deja vu". No. What about China? what Unlike "perestroika and glasnost" with the best German Gorby wassat , solved the issue with and wow became the first economy and 2nd hegemon of the WORLD good ... Where is the USSR? request Again or again: "... what is it, Borimer ?! Rake, SIR !!! What, AGAIN !!!
  11. Shuttle
    Shuttle 29 August 2020 06: 25 New
    +9
    .
    All this suggests that only a public dialogue between a healthy part of the Belarusian elite and society about the future of the country with an intelligible and balanced ideological and economic policy of Russia can lead to the development of specific steps to prevent the degradation and absorption of Belarus by its western neighbors, which, having now failed, will still will not calm down and will torment the shard of the Soviet Union until they achieve their goal.

    Here we need to figure it out.

    What kind of dialogue are we talking about? With whom to dialogue? You will decide there - either Lukashenka is a tyrant and a dictator who has cleared the clearing of free-thinking people with "bright faces" and then there is no one to talk to except him and his "lackeys". Or there are still some sane potential managers, politicians who are not fashioned from one-year-old video blokers except for Lukashenka's "mafia" with whom you can conduct a dialogue. And then what kind of tyrant and dictator is he? And maybe then this is not the mafia, but the most patriots? Does Lukashenka have oligarchs and their representatives in the government? What about their pension reform? What is the decile income ratio of the population?

    How can Russia really help Belarusians? Stop Western noose-sanctions. But it seems to me that China in this respect will be much more useful and effective for Belarus than we are. And here we should look at the interests of the patient Chinese ..
    1. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 29 August 2020 10: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Shuttle
      But it seems to me that China in this respect will be much more useful and effective for Belarus than we are. And here we should look at the interests of the patient Chinese ..

      China does nothing for nothing. Didn't get the loan back? Be so kind as to sell potash for cheap or other enterprises, deposits.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 34 New
        0
        Better sell to Western capital. It will be very democratic. laughing
  12. Iskazi
    Iskazi 29 August 2020 06: 27 New
    +9
    crazy article ... the fact that "dad" is cornered is a fact, but his unwillingness to go to the Kremlin is quite understandable, what kind of zemstvo councils, referendums, the Kremlin will sell everything, as it has already sold Russia, so will Belarus sell it, probably the AHL knows more and does not trust the "union" state, perhaps the departure of the Republic of Belarus to the west, a better way out than an alliance with the Russian Federation. Perhaps if Russia, in addition to several dubious allies such as the army and the navy, would also have friendship with the head, then there would already be a Soviet state, and so ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 29 August 2020 08: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Iskazi
      The Kremlin will sell everything, as it has already sold Russia, so will Belarus, too, probably the AHL knows more and does not trust the "union" state, perhaps the RB's withdrawal to the west is a better way out than an alliance with the Russian Federation.

      Going to the West is the best option for Belarus ??? Here one country not far left for the West, for some reason I do not see the rapid development of the economy, industry, agriculture in Ukraine, on the contrary, the collapse and degradation has accelerated even more, now the famous Ukrainian chernozems will soon go under the hammer. Oh yes, Western oligarchs, they are democratic, they can rob and destroy factories and plants, they are better than Russian ones. And the Belarusians have guessed the fate of Ukrainian guest workers, although it will be necessary to fight for the places of washing toilets and picking apples - it is already occupied.
      As long as the Belarusian economy is oriented towards Russia and the Russian market is open, there are preferences and subsidies from Russia, there is an opportunity to hold on, but reforms are of course needed, and they can be carried out by the new Belarusian president, oriented towards Russia.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 15: 34 New
        +1
        It's too late to start reforming. And Russia does not need a subsidized competitor, all the more so in an economic crisis. When the pie has dropped dramatically. The fate of Belarus is a foregone conclusion. Now she is a pie herself, like Ukraine and all other small, great independent countries.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 29 August 2020 16: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          It's too late to start reforming. And Russia does not need a subsidized competitor, all the more so in an economic crisis. When the pie has dropped dramatically. The fate of Belarus is a foregone conclusion.

          Reforms need to be carried out so that Belarus becomes at least self-sufficient, Lukashenka's economic policy at Russia's expense has exhausted itself, moreover, as you say, the crisis and the pie are not enough. Lukashenka does not want to carry out reforms and cannot. I say it again, Belarus needs a new pro-Russian president who, in modern realities, could unite the Belarusians and achieve results.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 30 August 2020 01: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            I say it again, Belarus needs a new pro-Russian president who, in modern realities, could unite the Belarusians and achieve results.

            Belarusians need to pack their bags and take them to more prosperous countries. Because their country will be devoured, and if Lukashenka does not dump somewhere near Rostov or Beijing in time, the fate of Gaddafi awaits.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 37 New
      0
      What does the Kremlin have to do with it? You don’t make a saint out of bulb. Found the culprit. Directly on hohlorecept. The Muscovites are to blame for everything. Muscovites are to blame for the hands of the Ukrainians. The Muscovites are to blame for the economy. No, the guys themselves are all to blame.
  13. Bastinda
    Bastinda 29 August 2020 06: 31 New
    +1
    "Mikhail Fedorovich (12 (22) July 1596, Moscow - 13 (23) July 1645, Moscow) - the first Russian tsar from the Romanov dynasty. Ruled from March 27 (April 6) 1613, was elected for the reign of the Zemsky Cathedral February 21 (March 3) 1613. "An attempt to create a precedent?
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 15 New
      0
      Ruled from March 27 (April 6) 1613, was elected to reign by the Zemsky Sobor

      And who was the elector at that council, do you know? The electors were princes, boyars, nobles, that is, the rulers chose the supreme ruler of their circle. Lukashenka has cleaned out all potential competitors there is no one to choose from, except that there are candidates, Western puppets. The choice will be between US Governor Tikhanovskaya and Lukashenko.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 30 August 2020 12: 38 New
        0
        The cathedral was attended by representatives of the Cossacks, clergy, urban population (mainly merchants), black-haired peasants, as well as representatives of the peoples of the Volga region.
  14. pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 29 August 2020 06: 54 New
    +6
    December 1999 B.N. Yeltsin announces his departure and appoints V.V. Putin. The country sighs with relief, having got rid of the alcoholic. No zemstvo meetings, revolutions and other crap.
    The situation in Belarus is exactly the same. Yabatka (a term recently coined by Russian political strategists) is perceived in the country in exactly the same way as Yeltsin in 1999 - an inadequate old man, holding on to medications. Neither the people nor the elite perceives Lukashenko as the leader of the nation, leading the country to a bright future. If tomorrow he is gone, everyone will exhale with relief and silence will be established.
    Putin is making a big mistake supporting Lukashenko (let him remember how he came to power). And if this continues further, the Belarusians will finally turn their backs on Russia.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 29 August 2020 09: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: pro100y.belarus
      Putin is making a big mistake supporting Lukashenko (let him remember how he came to power). And if this continues further, the Belarusians will finally turn their backs on Russia.

      I already wrote about this before, but they pounced on me in a crowd, time passed and I will repeat it again.
      Vladimir Putin should rely not on Lukashenko, but on the people of Belarus and the work should be, first of all, the release of political prisoners, including Babariko.
      In 1988 he graduated from the Faculty of Mechanics and Mathematics of the Belarusian State University.
      In 1995 he graduated from the Academy of Management under the Cabinet of Ministers of the Republic of Belarus.
      In 2000 he graduated from the magistracy of the Belarusian State Economic University.
      In June 1995, he began work in the banking system at the Olimp Bank, which in 1997 was transformed into Belgazprombank. In July 2000, he became the chairman of the board of Belgazprombank. In this position he worked until May 12, 2020.
      Belgazprombank is a subsidiary bank of the Russian Gazprombank in Belarus. Founded in 1990. The shareholders are PJSC Gazprom (49,818%), JSC Gazprombank (49,818%), JSC Gazprom transgaz Belarus (0,266%), State Property Committee of the Republic of Belarus (0,097%)
      Lukashenko was afraid of him as a competitor and deep connection with Russia.
      And having put him in, he removed the candidate and got the bank. There will be no better option for Russia.
      And the people of Belarus will remember this act for a long time.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
      -5
      Like they are now turning their faces. Your whole face is the face of a fucking parasite. From which Russia constantly owes. She doesn't owe you nichrome. Stop feeding you at our expense.
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 29 August 2020 16: 36 New
      -2
      Quote: pro100y.belarus
      December 1999 B.N. Yeltsin announces his departure and appoints V.V. Putin. The country sighs with relief, having got rid of the alcoholic. No zemstvo meetings, revolutions and other crap.
      The situation in Belarus is exactly the same. Yabatka (a term recently coined by Russian political strategists) is perceived in the country in exactly the same way as Yeltsin in 1999 - an inadequate old man, holding on to medications. Neither the people nor the elite perceives Lukashenko as the leader of the nation, leading the country to a bright future. If tomorrow he is gone, everyone will exhale with relief and silence will be established.
      Putin is making a big mistake supporting Lukashenko (let him remember how he came to power). And if this continues further, the Belarusians will finally turn their backs on Russia.

      Which Belarusians will turn away? What are you talking about? There is a derban of the Soviet legacy. The national bourgeoisie of Belarus itself became a prize in the struggle between the American, Chinese and Russian national bourgeoisies. And the Belarusian would be better off listening to the Russian. Because she had already filled the bumps and realized that it was better to stick together. And even with the Chinese one. But not with American, as well as her right and left gloves - English and European.
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 17 New
      -1
      Putin makes a big mistake supporting Lukashenka

      This is just a pragmatic approach, they always bet on the winner, ALG has won, keeps the situation, and they bet on him.
  15. tatra
    tatra 29 August 2020 07: 02 New
    -2
    The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR have an insatiable thirst for freebies, parasitism and enrichment at someone else's expense. Yesterday I talked with a young guy from Belarus, and he told me what could be the driving force behind the Belarusian "Maidan", that Belarusians hate Lukashenka because because of him they did not receive the same large subsidies from Europe as the Balts received, that it is necessary to overthrow Lukashenka, and Europe will give Belarus these large subsidies.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 22 New
      -3
      that Belarusians hate Lukashenka because because of him they did not receive the same large subsidies from Europe as the Balts received,

      It is interesting that the subsidies are decreasing for the later ones associated with Europe, RB seems to receive no subsidies.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 29 August 2020 07: 16 New
    +6
    The Zemsky Sobor is a fiction in a split society ... The policy of "multi-vector" has led to the split of the country ... The Union State has died ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 August 2020 07: 50 New
      +2
      hi I greet you, Alexey!
      Quote: parusnik
      ....... The "multi-vector" policy led to the split of the country ... The Union State died ...
      I remember the late 80s, early 90s, for the USSR.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 29 August 2020 08: 01 New
        +6
        In my opinion, this is the final collapse of the USSR, with a change in social formation ... The formation in the former republics was replaced, a single economic space on the territory of the former USSR was practically not created, and it will not be possible, because almost all republics fell under the influence of other economically more developed states, Belarus is the last splinter that Russia held ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 August 2020 08: 51 New
          +2
          Yes, Alekay, everything is so and you have formulated it very clearly. What I didn't succeed. Unfortunately, destructive processes will continue in the republics, since they exist in the Russian Federation as well.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 42 New
      0
      There, in principle, there was no chance initially. It is not profitable for local Belarusian boyars. And the people, the people are still asleep. Even this current outrage is somnambulistic.
  17. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 August 2020 07: 20 New
    0
    It is good that the author is trying to formulate his position.
    However, it turned out to be another campaign for all the good against the worst.
    To go only in our absolutely correct way, which suits everyone, this is a utopia.

    There is no escape from a serious choice.

    And there are only two alternatives for the Republic of Belarus:
    - Deep interaction with Russia and joint search for the most effective forms of organization of society and economy.
    - Entering the sphere of strict control of Western "elites", with a partial rejection of their own identity and many aspects of life on which the Belarusian society rests.

    What are the alternatives.
    Look at the Republic of Tatarstan flourishing within the Russian Federation.
    It is a successfully developing, harmonious society and state education.
    Or look at the Baltic republics that have joined the European Union.
    Completely destroyed industry, employment problems, exorbitant tariffs, growing migration.

    There are difficulties and problems in the Russian Federation.
    But they are solved, albeit not as enchanting as we would like.
    However, this is a federation with real rights and opportunities for its constituent entities.
    1. U-58
      U-58 29 August 2020 08: 49 New
      +4
      Yeah, Tatarstan is thriving. But on very special conditions, name the EBN, without deducting anything from the word to the country's budget at all.
      Compare Tatarstan with the surrounding donor regions.
      It was exactly the same with Soviet Ukraine ...
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 29 August 2020 11: 00 New
        +3
        You have outdated information. Already more than 10 years ago, special conditions for Tartary were canceled. Just as ALL agreements between Russia on the one hand and the subjects of Russia on the other hand were canceled.
        1. U-58
          U-58 29 August 2020 11: 52 New
          +1
          Yes Yes. Only since then have they been pouring money there for swimming and football championships, for the Universiade, or for some kind of international ailment. Now the same story with E-burg.
          And Chelyabinsk, Ufa, Perm, Kirov Toko are expelled, receiving nothing in return
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 29 August 2020 18: 19 New
        -1
        As you can see, you can make the regions normal, it is enough just to abolish exorbitant taxes in the center.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 30 August 2020 12: 44 New
        -1
        It is a myth. Even during the riot of sovereignties, Tatarstan paid federal taxes, young people from the republic were drafted into the army on a general basis, and Tatar security officials, along with representatives of other regions, regularly went on business trips to Chechnya.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 51 New
      +3
      There are no alternatives other than ukroscenario. And don't talk about how good life is in Russia. We have essentially a sluggish ass in an economy that has reached the limits of growth.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 36 New
      -1
      And there are only two alternatives for the Republic of Belarus:
      - Deep interaction with Russia and joint search for the most effective forms of organization of society and economy.

      Integration of the Republic of Belarus in the form of a confederation.
  18. U-58
    U-58 29 August 2020 08: 16 New
    -2
    Based on the correct ideas, the article itself is a set of loud phrases, templates that have been uttered in almost every analytical article about Belarus in recent days.
    It would be much more constructive to analyze the forces driving the protest movement. The fact of the emergence of such forces is obvious. The protests that have arisen spontaneously are clearly ridden by someone, controlled and financed by someone.
    "Only the birds sing for nothing."
    What role does the West play in these events?
    I am not sure that there is only a moral swaying of the situation and indulgence of the young liberals, striving for power and imagining themselves who are an oligarch and who are also the supreme ruler. We need to dig deeper. Perhaps, and with the involvement of the special services of both Belarus and Russia.
    If the counter-revolutionaries are not identified and given good hands, no zemstvo meetings or veche will normalize the situation.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 August 2020 14: 53 New
      0
      Or maybe not the consequences should be fought, but the causes? You there said something about templates and phrases, so you have the same hackneyed crackling.
      1. U-58
        U-58 29 August 2020 16: 27 New
        +1
        What are the reasons? Accurately, everyone agrees that there are no objective reasons, only subjective ones: the person of the dad.
        So our dad also sat out. Will you fight?))
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 40 New
      0
      it is managed and funded.
      "Only the birds sing for nothing."
      What role does the West play in these events?

      It is already known that the standard technology of the "orange revolutions" is already routine for the West.
  19. Husit
    Husit 29 August 2020 08: 24 New
    -14
    Only a union treaty with Russia, or rather unification, can save Belarus!
    After all, the fifth column is not crushed, but only lurked for a while .... So think Old Man and faster! They will not have time and will shit and wait for the moment, accumulating strength and engaging in subversive activities.
  20. Captivity
    Captivity 29 August 2020 08: 37 New
    +2
    The article gives the impression that the Belarusian people have no opinion. And the blame for the proteges of the Western special services.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 30 August 2020 08: 44 New
      0
      The article gives the impression that the Belarusian people have no opinion

      No nation has an opinion. Opinion is formed through the media, in all countries. You probably think that your opinion is really yours, but it is not so, it is enough to make a list of information and propagandists that you have consumed for the last year, what you have consumed is loaded into your head.
  21. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 29 August 2020 10: 57 New
    +8
    A very stupid idea from the author of the article.

    1. In Belarus, there was no experience of holding zemstvo councils. These meetings were held in Muscovy for the adoption of the Cathedral Code (legal acts) and the election of Tsar Mikhail Romanov. Zemsky sobors were convened on the basis of estate representation based on quotas. This is not possible in a modern state.

    2. A collegial body is an instrument for legitimizing the will of a particular group or politician, and not an instrument for forming a collective will. In this sense, the Zemsky Sobor is useless.

    3. Zemsky Sobor is a one-day parliament. Why do we need a one-day trip when there is a permanent parliament. At the meeting of the council, parliamentarians will be offended and will give an appropriate negative reaction, which will definitely not improve an already difficult political situation.

    4. Zemsky Sobor in Belarus is contrary to its Constitution. Is it necessary to change the Constitution of Belarus in order to please the author of the article with a stupid idea?

    5. The author believes that the Zemsky Sobor is an instrument for conducting a dialogue in society, but only without President Lukashenko, who has discredited himself. Consequently, the Zemsky Sobor is a platform for the opposition. Whatever Lukashenka may be, he is the President, and therefore he will make every effort so that a hostile institution does not arise, or would be destroyed. So ignoring Lukashenko is like ignoring a threat. And only a goof ignores threats. The author of the article thinks that Lukashenka should be ignored.

    6. The political crisis in Belarus is caused not by one-time reasons, but by many years of unbalanced state policy in the field of the economy, the formation of government bodies and international relations. The excessive importance of the President and the weakness of the Parliament allowed a particular President to implement his subjective quirks. At the same time, the Parliament did not have the authority to smooth out these quirks. Therefore, it is possible to balance the policy by decreasing the powers of the President and strengthening the powers of the Parliament.

    I spent 5-7 minutes on counter arguments to a stupid article. Because it was boring and I was hanging on the internet. It would be possible to sketch a dozen more counter-arguments, but I don't want to waste time on nonsense
  22. Operator
    Operator 29 August 2020 11: 21 New
    +1
    Why don't we fight against the collapse of Belarus - on the contrary, we need work to stimulate it.

    PS In any case, the Constitution is the head, the Zemsky Sobor will not fail.
  23. Observer2014
    Observer2014 29 August 2020 12: 08 New
    0
    Lukashenko did not stop the protest movement, but only prevented an attempted coup. With his inadequate actions in recent years, he destroyed what he had created for decades, destroyed the base of his social support and alienated his supporters. The protests involve not only nationalists and pro-Western intelligentsia, but broad masses of the population, dissatisfied with the existing order.
    Any objections? Better not to say.
  24. iouris
    iouris 29 August 2020 12: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: "... only a public dialogue between a healthy part of the Belarusian elite and society about the future of the country with an intelligible and balanced ideological and economic policy of Russia can lead to the development of ..." End of quote.
    Author, read this passage again: is it political journalism or fantasy? In general, healthy people should sleep at 4:48.
  25. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 29 August 2020 13: 15 New
    +2
    Again some idialists suggest Collapse.
    The garbage is complete.

    Well, Batko writes to himself 80% of the votes, so what. We also write, up to 70 (130 was in total, shown on TV)
    Junior is preparing for the role of president. So what?
    We have the same. Yeltsin poked his finger at the little-known GDP with a finger, they chose. Poked VVP with a finger at Medvedev - they chose. And then you don't have to retell it.

    So all the way, don't panic, there will be some progress in ochubaisovaniya, of course, but the oligarchy of the Republic of Bashkortostan, the oligarchy of the Russian Federation will not let the oligarchy of the Russian Federation enter their plot so easily. And vice versa.
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 August 2020 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Alex2000
      So all the way, don't panic, there will be some progress in ochubaisovaniya, of course, but the oligarchy of the Republic of Bashkortostan, the oligarchy of the Russian Federation will not let the oligarchy of the Russian Federation enter their plot so easily. And vice versa.
      -oligarchs of the Republic of Bashkortostan the EU oligarchs will have a snack for breakfast and will not notice ... they are too small for Europe and even for ours ..
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 29 August 2020 23: 19 New
        0
        Therefore, Batko and the oligarchy stick together - they do not want to let anyone in, as Ural-Potassium and Rostec lick their lips ...
  26. Alsur
    Alsur 29 August 2020 13: 26 New
    -5
    Quote: Deck
    It is not the nationalists who drive a stake into the split between Belarus and Russia, but the proteges of the West


    Apparently, Western henchmen are sitting in the Kremlin. What the conditional West is doing now: non-recognition of Lukashenka, financial and moral support for striking workers, shelter for victims of repression, condemnation of the atrocities of the security forces What Putin offers Belarusians: recognition and congratulations of Lukashenka and promises to introduce a "reserve of law enforcement officers"
    At VO there is a fairly large group of citizens from a country where in the 90s everything was stolen under the guise of privatization, and then 3/4 of the factories were abandoned or razed to the ground. Where pensions are half as much and five years later than in Poland, they teach unreasonable Belarusians how to live on. No enemy can think of more disgusting for the attitude of Belarusians to Russia. Or pays local commentators.

    What Poland, Lithuania and the company offer - Maidan, with all the ensuing consequences, we look towards Ukraine, Libya, Armenia, Tunisia. Like it is great.
    What Russia proposes is not to allow the overthrow of the existing government, to stabilize the situation in Belarus. Is it bad? I think it's good. Since no one interferes with the Belarusians after the incident, to establish a dialogue, to propose and implement the necessary changes in the country, but by constitutional sweat.
    Who is the best friend of Belarusians in this case, the West or Russia.
    1. iouris
      iouris 29 August 2020 13: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: ALSur
      Who is the best friend of Belarusians in this case, the West or Russia.

      In general, Belarusians are Russians. The Russian's best friend is Russian. He is also his own worst enemy.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 August 2020 23: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: ALSur
      What Russia proposes is not to allow the overthrow of the existing government, to stabilize the situation in Belarus. Is it bad? I think it's good. Since no one interferes with the Belarusians after the incident, to establish a dialogue, to propose and implement the necessary changes in the country, but by constitutional sweat.


      A strange proposal. So we tried to implement the changes - we went and voted. Then we were told that 80% of us voted for Lukashenka. Count it up, we didn't believe it.
  27. faterdom
    faterdom 29 August 2020 15: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: pishchak
    Russia, the Russian authorities, should realize and clearly formulate their state goals, as well as the means and ways to achieve them, and start seriously, with all their might to protect their state interests and spheres of influence!

    Russia must be firm, its positions are loudly and aloud expressed, and no compromises and any "I was deceived"! Do not give money to anyone for free; do not forgive anything; always take with interest!
    Slovaks kicked out one diplomat in response to five! The only way. The Americans closed one consulate - we answered them two! Merkel whined about the parade in Sevastopol - we withdraw Gorbachev's "consent" and do not recognize the swallowing of the GDR!
    And when we loudly declare who we are and why we are, what we want, we can expect sincere ideological allies.
    And when we, as a branch of the State Department's liars ... Now, through the lips of Chernomyrdin, we persuade Milosevich not to resist, then Shevardnadze and Abashidze are persuaded to give in to the impostor Saakashvili, then Yanukovych is advised not to use force on the calls of "civilized Europeans" ...
    The question we ourselves have to ourselves is: "And we are for whom, in general?" And the answer: "For Americans", if we discard blah-blah and all sorts of insults ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 August 2020 19: 56 New
      0
      Quote: faterdom
      Merkel whined about the parade in Sevastopol - we withdraw Gorbachev's "consent" and do not recognize the swallowing of the GDR!

      -not recognized, and then what? will the GDR recover from this? well, well ...
  28. Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 29 August 2020 16: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    The need for a Zemsky Sobor
    Well, this is an institute. What for? The referendum is simpler and more transparent.

    Are you even aware that the crisis was caused by a cynical mass falsification of counting !? Who will count the votes in the referendum - Lydia Yermoshina?
  29. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 August 2020 17: 38 New
    0
    Establishing the choice of path could split the country even further. Too many people are willing to give in to pretty promises.
  30. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 August 2020 17: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Generally speaking, Belarusians are Russians.

    But not everyone identifies themselves as Russians and Russians.
  31. begemot20091
    begemot20091 29 August 2020 20: 29 New
    -2
    Quote: U-58
    Russia in the future will benefit from all this. But will the Belarusian people benefit from this?
    The doubts that torment me are far from vague ..

    and if the Poles privatize and close? no doubt the Belarusian people will "win" - the path to the plantations of Poland will be freer.
  32. begemot20091
    begemot20091 29 August 2020 20: 30 New
    -2
    Quote: Igor Litvin
    Are you even aware that the crisis was caused by a cynical mass falsification of counting !? Who will count the votes in the referendum - Lydia Yermoshina?

    no, it will be considered a civilized geyropa, as it was recently thought in Poland.
  33. faterdom
    faterdom 29 August 2020 20: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: faterdom
    Merkel whined about the parade in Sevastopol - we withdraw Gorbachev's "consent" and do not recognize the swallowing of the GDR!

    -not recognized, and then what? will the GDR recover from this? well, well ...

    I'm afraid if you don't understand, I won't be able to explain ...
    Although I will try ... I can advise from the study of the biblical heritage: "In the beginning there was a word ..."
    If there is no word, there will be no deed.
    The case itself does not jump out of thin air, Leaders (with a capital letter) must intuitively find goals and announce them in order to attract the masses to their side.
    Otherwise, either they are not Leaders, or goals are not goals.
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 August 2020 22: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: faterdom
      Leaders (with a capital D) must intuitively find goals and communicate them in order to attract the masses to their side.
      we won't go far ... USA ...
      There are no leaders uniting the "shirnarmass", in principle, the country is divided approximately equally
      There are no goals that unite the "shirnarmassa" either. Each hut has its own toys - blacks for themselves, LGBT for themselves, rednecks for themselves, Mexicans / Chinese for themselves and further, further, further ...
      It's not even funny about the general ideology ...
      Rђ RІRѕS, A BUSINESS for some reason, it moves and 99/100 of the world obediently does what the United States thinks about. Even if he doesn't order, he just thinks, but the limitrophes are wagging their tails right there.
      Regardless THE WORDS .....
  34. north 2
    north 2 29 August 2020 22: 21 New
    -2
    if you are interested in the true history of Russia, not the one that was written by the Romanov court historians,
    then it is obvious that it was the Poles who managed to find such delegates in most strata of society so that
    At the Zemsky Sobor, it was the protege of Poland, Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov, who was elected Tsar. And Fedor Nikitich Romanov was also in the camp of the regiments, for convincing the opposite, he had to play the role of a captive and hostage of the Poles. This is how the then Zemsky Sobor happened. And so the Poles appointed Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov the Tsar. ... It was then that the Romanovs quarreled with the Poles and began to personally and independently oppress and torture Russia and the people, to which the Poles were fiercely offended, because they believed that the Romanovs would only sit on the throne, while Poland would rob and torment Russia and the people. And now Poland will bribe whoever needs to be bribed, squeezed by blackmail or compromising evidence, will give grants to relatives and at the current Zemsky Sobor of Belarus the issue will be decided in favor of Poland. Before conceiving such Zemsky Sobors, the authors are empty reading the works of the great Russian historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor A.V. Pyzhikov, who recently left this sinful world ... Moreover, Poland again with its protégé, or rather a protégé, is crawling and climbing. The Poles' methods, if there is a Zemsky Sobor in Belarus, have already been worked out in Russia 400 years ago ...
  35. molotkov60mkpu
    molotkov60mkpu 30 August 2020 12: 31 New
    +1
    "with an intelligible and balanced ideological and economic policy" ... - Isn't ideology prohibited in our country? But aren't these recommendations for our country in the first place? For some reason, the constitutional amendments did not launch the dynamics of development, and they will not, because they are unprincipled (subsoil, ideology, the Central Bank of Russia is something that needs to be revised in Kazakhstan. In addition, we have not decided on the Course. What are we building? The Russian world is not a goal. Because it is now repulsive, wild-capitalist, juvenile, ...
  36. An64
    An64 31 August 2020 09: 08 New
    0
    The people of Belarus in the stormy days of August were on the verge of collapse and absorption by the West according to the Ukrainian scenario

    Eh, you have forgotten Lenin's teaching about the revolutionary situation. It was not the people who turned out to be, but the authorities "could not" keep the situation in the country. And it doesn't matter who and how it (the situation) was fueled by - from the outside or from the inside, in any case, the authorities clicked, for which they can pay ...
  37. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 1 September 2020 11: 07 New
    0
    Quote: An64
    Eh, you have forgotten Lenin's teaching about the revolutionary situation.

    Lenin's doctrine of a revolutionary situation cannot be used in a counter-revolutionary situation, when reactionaries and foreign capital are thrown into power.
    How it beat in Italy, Germany, Ukraine, Georgia and so on.
  38. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 1 September 2020 11: 10 New
    0
    Quote: begemot20091
    Quote: Igor Litvin
    Are you even aware that the crisis was caused by a cynical mass falsification of counting !? Who will count the votes in the referendum - Lydia Yermoshina?

    no, it will be considered a civilized geyropa, as it was recently thought in Poland.

    No one will count any votes and there will be no free vibors because they will immediately seize power by force and declare all those who disagree as terrorists. How it hit the Ukraine. And seven years have not passed since then and everyone has scored?
  39. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 1 September 2020 12: 31 New
    0
    Belarusians have neither the experience of holding the Zemsky Sobor, nor participation in it. This idea may not resonate at all in their environment. At a time when the need for Zemsky Sobor meetings was ripening among the Russians, the territory of Belarus was cut off from Muscovy. So there is no need for empty philosophizing. And do not create something incomprehensible from scratch. In addition to the Constitution of Belarus, there is also a Union Treaty. So it is necessary to do so that the new Constitution does not contradict this Treaty, but develops its provisions. Otherwise, it is a legal ashes, and nobody has built anything from scratch.
  40. Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 2 September 2020 23: 40 New
    0
    I totally agree, well done by the author