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The Ministry of Defense announced the eradication of bullying in the army

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The Ministry of Defense announced the eradication of bullying in the army

The Russian Armed Forces have completely eradicated hazing and barracks hooliganism. This was stated by Deputy Defense Minister Colonel General Andrei Kartapolov at a round table in the framework of the Army-2020 forum.


In his speech, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov drew particular attention to the correctly chosen direction of joint actions to establish the statutory order in the Armed Forces, which resulted in a significant reduction in the number of military crimes, completely eradicated such a concept as "bullying", "barracks hooliganism"

- says the press center of the round table.

The general noted that the absence of bullying and the decrease in military crimes, in turn, influenced the quality of the draft and the desire of young people to do military service.

Colonel-General Sergei Kuralenko, head of the main military police department of the Ministry of Defense, said that the main role in establishing the statutory order in military units was played by the military police, the military-political administration of the Ministry of Defense, as well as the command of the units. He noted the well-coordinated work of the military police, political officers and commanders of units, which led to positive results.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced a significant reduction in hazing in military units back in 2014. Then the head of the military department called on his subordinates to make every possible effort to completely eradicate this negative phenomenon.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 26 August 2020 10: 38 New
    +5
    "The army is a mold of society." Congratulations, society!
    1. Clear
      Clear 26 August 2020 10: 40 New
      0
      which resulted in a significant decrease in the number of military crimes, completely eradicated such a concept as "bullying", "barracks hooliganism"

      If so, great! good
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 26 August 2020 10: 41 New
        17
        Yeah. "Rooted out". yes lol
        1. Clear
          Clear 26 August 2020 10: 44 New
          -23
          Quote: Snail N9
          Yeah. "Rooted out". yes lol

          When was the last time you were beaten? It's also interesting to laugh yes
          1. Temples
            Temples 26 August 2020 10: 58 New
            12
            So they returned to the era of Brezhnev's reports.

            We have harvested 65 centners per hectare of wheat.
            Collected more cotton than the mass of the moon.

            Eliminated bullying !!! wassat

            The chuvachek who said this at least once in his life has been in the conscripts' barracks?
            Boys of eighteen live there.
            Hazing can only be eradicated by destroying the young boy.
            By killing the personality in it.

            Quote: Clear
            When was the last time you were beaten?


            Young lady, dear, hazing is not a code for everyone.
            This is the distribution of responsibilities for the economic part.

            Does your husband often beat you?
            Do you cook cabbage soup for your husband and children only after the massacre?
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 26 August 2020 11: 30 New
              +7
              Hazing can only be eradicated by destroying the young boy.
              By killing the personality in it.

              It is enough to simply eradicate. Or not take him into the army
              I speak as a person who personally worked with the problem when I was an officer
              1. Civil
                Civil 26 August 2020 11: 46 New
                13
                1. The coronavirus was defeated.
                2. We won over hazing.
                3. Poverty and misery won.
                Great news from the island of prosperity and stability. It's a pity this island has nothing to do with Russia.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 26 August 2020 11: 47 New
                  -2
                  The original comment had the word bydlo
                  Didn't notice that he was censored
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 26 August 2020 18: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Engineer
                Hazing can only be eradicated by destroying the young boy.
                By killing the personality in it.

                It is enough to simply eradicate. Or not take him into the army
                I speak as a person who personally worked with the problem when I was an officer

                When the human qualities of l / s are more or less equal, there was practically no hazing. But as soon as someone started up in the barracks on a lower level, and if this is not caught in time, then it blooms. Others, of course, it was better not to call at all, but in fact everything is in the hands of the fathers-commanders. I had 2 such cases, as a result - one junior sergeant left for demobilization, the second remained in the army at all, served 15 years, quit after the Chechen wars. So, as our lecturer on WFP (Military Pedagogy and Psychology) said, "we have to work!" laughing drinks
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 26 August 2020 19: 08 New
                  +3
                  When human qualities l / s are more or less equal

                  This does not happen in practice. If only by accident.
                  in fact, everything is in the hands of the fathers-commanders

                  I'll change it a little. All the game is on the conscience of the commanding fathers.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 26 August 2020 21: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Engineer
                    When human qualities l / s are more or less equal

                    This does not happen in practice. If only by accident.
                    in fact, everything is in the hands of the fathers-commanders

                    I'll change it a little. All the game is on the conscience of the commanding fathers.

                    Well, that's how it was. L / s was selected, sometimes they even flew by "stewarts" to select directly from the military registration and enlistment offices. And who gave a damn, it is easy to write off the "game" of the fathers-commanders laughing Then, every 3 months. testing by groups was carried out - who trusts whom, who would go to the group with whom, with whom not and why, etc. L / s were rotated accordingly. And daily work with l / s. I was then a political officer, and flew as a "stewart", and corresponded with the parents of all the soldiers, and went, when necessary, to their homes. And daily communication with everyone who, in my opinion or the opinion of the commanders, required attention. The best reconnaissance company of the 20 GVOA GSVG, either 88 or 89, I don't remember already. drinks When I got to the hospital in 90, they wrote letters from another unit, even the demobilization of that company. And you say - game. laughing "It is necessary to work" (c)
                    PySy. It's strange - the most "difficult" fighters are still congratulating on the holidays, so keep all the game for yourself.
              3. PSih2097
                PSih2097 26 August 2020 20: 13 New
                -2
                Quote: Engineer
                It is enough to simply eradicate. Or not take him into the army
                I speak as a person who personally worked with the problem when I was an officer

                Well, it's very simple to eradicate hazing, you just need to do nothing ...
                to force the junior officers to serve as they should, and not for nothing, it all went there in the direction of someone's mother, hanging their duties on sergeants and foremen.
                make the special officers work, and not chew snot and rely on the newly-minted military lawyers with the military police.
                You can still write a cloud of paragraphs, personally my rule was this - if you don't want to live in a barracks, you will live and work out your duty on a diesel engine.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 26 August 2020 20: 15 New
                  +1
                  You can still write a cloud of paragraphs, personally my rule was this - if you don't want to live in a barracks, you will live and work out your duty on a diesel engine.

                  Comrades officers do not like this scenario very much. They screw them up for this. Therefore, they cover with all their might
                  https://lenta.ru/news/2019/10/31/prizyvnik/
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 26 August 2020 20: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Engineer
                    Comrades officers do not like this scenario very much. They screw them up for this. Therefore, they cover with all their might

                    it was easier for me - the commander of the unit where he served, a former cadet of my grandfather, and he did not have hazing from the word at all, well, except for the market to dangle, make chasing, forge knives - but this is the request of the commander, not a soldier for demobilization or practically demobilization (like grandfather) ...
                    The most interesting thing is when I was called up after the tower - they are SPIRIT to me, I am a nifiga, almost a grandfather and demobilization ...
            2. g1v2
              g1v2 26 August 2020 15: 57 New
              -3
              Well, in fact, there was no hazing already in 11-12 years. There is hazing, but that is different. I served in the early XNUMXs. brother after Serdyukov's reform, I can compare.
              Hazing has always been built on service life. That is, no matter how cool you come. but still you will be in spirit and will do all the dirty work for the old-timers. Well, when you pass the year, you are already chasing the young. After they began to serve for a year, it was precisely the hazing, that is, the system clearly tied to the service life, no longer. Much work was transferred to civilian personnel. It is clear that in any call there are leaders and outsiders, and, as in any society, those who are exploited and so on quickly appear, but then how do you put yourself. request
              As for the beatings, it is also incomparable. Once a week, as a rule, a person is naked or in underwear taken to take off and a nurse or paramedic is examined for bruises, etc. Any bruising will immediately lead to a trial. The authorities cannot hide serious beatings or injuries. PM in case of serious beatings, the culprit can easily go to the disbat.
              I will repeat myself in fact. Hazing in the army as a system of humiliation and domination, tied to a service life, was eliminated by Taburetkin. At the same time, hazing among puberty males, although ineradicable, is reduced to a level that does not play a serious role. request
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 26 August 2020 19: 14 New
                +2
                Life hazing is some kind of inertia. Here we were "young", the whole PDS group - one call + 1 "old man". And when this hazing began to bother, we agreed to protect each other. They tried to "flatten" us, but a couple of times they ran into a tough "response", lagged behind. When they themselves became "old people", they continued to wear all the required outfits, all the work, etc. on an equal basis with everyone, and the "grandfathers" had to. And with our call, hazing, as such, ended. It's not about the service life, it turns out. The very beginning of the 80s., If that. The officers had no time for us - the air regiment, however, they needed to fly. The zampolites are also pilots, rarely condescending. "Kontrik" sometimes delved into, but not deeply - not his profile. So, they themselves decided the questions of being. Two of our group then graduated from the political school, by the way. drinks
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 26 August 2020 20: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  whole PDS group

                  PDS is such a service that a colleague is a friend, a friend and a brother, and there is no other way, otherwise an incident will happen ...
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 26 August 2020 21: 31 New
                    0
                    Quote: PSih2097
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    whole PDS group

                    PDS is such a service that a colleague is a friend, a friend and a brother, and there is no other way, otherwise an incident will happen ...

                    Praise be to Allah, we had no incidents. laughing drinks Although there was a case when a training backpack was put on the jump instead of a reserve. And there was a refusal of the main one. But the man needed a valid jump. I got out without a spare. And when then we looked at the styling ... Well, you understand me laughing drinks
                2. g1v2
                  g1v2 27 August 2020 03: 33 New
                  0
                  Well, it is clear that the level of hazing was different in different parts. And if the call was friendly, then the old servicemen tried not to press too much. And there were parts of different workload. But back in the XNUMXs, hazing was ubiquitous. Of course, I can tell you how, after being raised by young grandfathers, blood was washed from our walls for hours and much more, but this is not about that. The point is that in any case you came in spirit and did the dirty work for the old-timers, gradually becoming the old-timers themselves, for whom the young have already been fooled. request
                  I generally keep quiet about the officers. As a rule, even an officer who had served for 10 years knew vaguely what was happening in his barracks. When the battalion commander lectured us on the dukhanka on the topic of bullying, then I was fucking crazy about how you can not understand the soldier's life and the essence of relations in the barracks. In general, since the Soviet army, many noted that soldiers and officers lived in practically different worlds, and officers' soldiers most often could not stand it. Even now, when I watch interviews with "Afghans" on tacticmedia, I see this negative. But there were combat conditions.
                  In fact, in addition to the service life, it helped a lot that now the sergeant corps has become predominantly contractual. An adult uncle who constantly disciplines the unit in the barracks. Because it is difficult to explain to the same American soldier the situation when there are two soldiers, and in front of them the sergeant is doing push-ups. And the reason is simple. We were already grandfathers, and the sergeant was a young soldier after training.
                  I will repeat myself. Now I talk a lot with young people and not one of them said that they had hazing. There are fellow countrymen, but there is no hazing.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 27 August 2020 20: 35 New
                    0
                    Quote: g1v2
                    In general, since the Soviet army, many have noted that soldiers and officers lived in practically different worlds, and officers' soldiers most often could not stand it.

                    Why do we still congratulate each other on the holidays? Out of hatred, I guess laughing A platoon and company link for a normal officer is a field and a barracks, for a personal life 2 days a week: Saturday or Sunday and Tuesday or Wednesday. They rarely left the barracks before midnight. And at 6 already on charge with l / s. And everyone always had 3-4 "trusted warriors" who shared the details of their existence at a time when we were not there. The political officer had more, and the methods were different. We knew everything about everyone. And who works for the special officers - they also knew, the soldiers figured out and reported with the facts. Someone's father, for example, is dying - we were the first to learn from the "censorship", this was removed from the planned orders and guards in advance. And when that sergeant comes to me with round eyes, I tell him: I know, hold on, everything will be fine. Here's your vacation. Get ready quickly, let's go to the airfield, there is now a plane with recruits, we will try to send you on it. Soviet army. 81 - 91 years drinks
                    1. g1v2
                      g1v2 27 August 2020 21: 27 New
                      +1
                      So you're getting old. request Co-workers are becoming less and less, and what remains is that which unites you. The less you are left, the more dear to each other you will become.
                      About trusted soldiers, this rarely works. As a rule, among a soldier's environment, knocking officers are identified quickly. Just like you, they found out working for special officers, so the soldiers identified those who knocked on you and either watched so that they could not report anything or simply educated so that they only report a tiny bit of information to you. I know from myself. We, as in any unit, had such "trusted soldiers", but the officers had no idea what was happening in the soldiers' environment. request
                      Well, such things as the death of relatives or problems at home, any political officer should know, otherwise he is not engaged in his own business. Although, of course, you can't figure it out We had a lot of runners in our unit. Including for domestic reasons and the officers could not warn a single SOCH. Yes, and the shooting of the guards was even before me, so there, too, they did not warn anything in advance.
                      But what about aviation. A goblin once said in a video that when he came home after the army and began to talk about their hazing, his father, an officer, only said that he would stop inventing. That doesn't happen. And he served somewhere in the 70s just in the aviation at the airport. And in general, I talked with the officers often, so I see that they have a vague idea of ​​hazing. In general - just two worlds.
            3. datur
              datur 26 August 2020 23: 38 New
              0
              so what do you think hazing?
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 26 August 2020 23: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Clear
            When was the last time you were beaten?

            This is a mollusk - you can only crush them inadvertently. yes
        2. vvvjak
          vvvjak 26 August 2020 10: 49 New
          +9
          Quote: Snail N9
          Yeah. "Rooted out"

          As the comrade warrant officer taught us: "We don't have bullying in our company, it's just that a more experienced soldier teaches a less experienced one. We have no theft in our company, if something is lost it is ... (lost)."
        3. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 26 August 2020 10: 59 New
          +3
          Why with such sarcasm to this news?
          Wonderful . Although it seems that there will still be some cases.
          During my service (73-75), there was no hazing as such in our battery. Naturally, there were grandfathers and young people, but there was no mockery.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 26 August 2020 11: 18 New
            +7
            Quote: smith 55
            Why with such sarcasm to this news?
            Wonderful . Although it seems that there will still be some cases.
            During my service (73-75), there was no hazing as such in our battery. Naturally, there were grandfathers and young people, but there was no mockery.

            I also served in 73 - 75 years old and faced bullying immediately upon arrival at the unit. The grandfathers performed "demobilization work" - they tiled the bathhouse. So we, several people who had just arrived from quarantine, they took with them in the evening before lights out and after kneading the solution. But there really was no massacre, the grandfathers were meek. And later, having learned that I could draw a little, my life on the "nightstand" began to flow much faster - they brought me demobilized albums and at night I decorated them with drawings of C-125 launchers. I don’t know, can this be considered "bullying"? If yes, then such "hazing" was to my taste. yes
            1. Temples
              Temples 26 August 2020 11: 26 New
              -9
              I had a similar hazing.
              On the ears received only for specific jambs.
              And not in order to humiliate, but in order to teach.
              There are no fathers nearby, so the "grandfathers" had to become fathers - to take the rods in their hands. wink

              And the outlaws in the army are fewer than in civilian life.
              But this is not hazing. This is a criminal offense, whether in the army or in civilian life.

              In our media, they often substitute concepts. And I think this is done deliberately.
              At least at the end of the Soviet era, these were deliberate steps to discredit the Soviet Army.
              1. seregatara1969
                seregatara1969 26 August 2020 13: 14 New
                +2
                This is how money is paid for articles
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 26 August 2020 20: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Temples
                I had a similar hazing.
                On the ears received only for specific jambs.
                And not in order to humiliate, but in order to teach.

                this thing was introduced by the amerikosy - when an old soldier gets a platoon of young people and trains them, respectively, he also receives for their shoals, and they also receive young ones, respectively - it is called Basurmansky buddy system.
        4. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 August 2020 11: 12 New
          -16
          it disappeared as soon as we switched to a year of service, and that's a fact. sarcasm is not needed here at all. got out completely different but it's definitely not hazing.
          1. Temples
            Temples 26 August 2020 12: 43 New
            -2
            Quote: carstorm 11
            it disappeared

            Who is "it"?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 26 August 2020 12: 46 New
              -3
              phenomenon. hazing.
        5. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 26 August 2020 12: 05 New
          +3
          Our bosses love to report victories. And if they are not there, come up with. There have been dozens of similar statements in my memory, over the past 30-40 years.
        6. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 26 August 2020 13: 13 New
          -1
          They lie! They confuse hazing and hazing. In the technical units, the grandfather took under the guardianship of a young soldier and passed on knowledge and experience in handling equipment in his specialty, thereby preparing himself a shift - this is hazing. The rest is all - hazing between soldiers.
        7. Armored beast
          Armored beast 26 August 2020 18: 24 New
          +1
          In the sense? In the sense of Yes or in the sense of No?
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 26 August 2020 10: 49 New
      15
      Too loud a statement about the eradication, a year ago a soldier shot him because of hazing, and now, look, everything has already disappeared to the root ...
      But the fact that they reduced delavs, primarily due to the society and the fact that the platoon officers literally at the cost of their personal lives put things in order, practically living in companies, it is a fact.
      1. Asad
        Asad 26 August 2020 11: 00 New
        +5
        From my experience in the army, how long ago it was! It all depends on the company commander and platoon commander. If they are engaged in personnel, then the result. In our company, the commander entrusted everything to the grandfathers, the horror of what was happening!
    3. Maz
      Maz 26 August 2020 10: 52 New
      +6
      Andrey Valerievich Kartapolov (born November 9, 1963, Weimar, GDR) - Russian military leader, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation - Head of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation since July 30, 2018... Colonel General (2015). Material from Wikipedia in our - the main trendball of the RF Armed Forces. That says it all. On issues of hazing, this is to the military prosecutor's office - there is more reliable information. And according to them, this is blatant nonsense. Apparently he wants to get the general of the army, he is already bursting with zeal.
      Biography
      Born in 1963 in the German Democratic Republic.

      Graduated from the Moscow Higher Combined-Arms Command School (1985), the Military Academy. Frunze (1993), Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (2007).

      He served in the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany, the Western Group of Forces and the Far Eastern Military District, in positions from platoon commander to division commander.

      2007 - 2008 - Deputy Army Commander in the Siberian Military District.

      From 2008 to 2009 - Chief of Staff - First Deputy Army Commander in the Moscow Military District.

      From 2009 to 2010 - Head of Directorate of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

      From May 2010 to January 2012 - commander of the 58th Army of the North Caucasus, then the Southern Military Districts.

      In 2012 - 2013, he was deputy commander of the troops of the Southern Military District.

      From February 2013 to June 2014 - Chief of Staff of the Western Military District.

      From June 2014 to November 2015 - Chief of the Main Operations Directorate - Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

      From November 2015 to July 2018 - Commander of the Western Military District.

      In July 2018, by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, he was appointed Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation - Head of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. judging by the biography, he only knows how to trend.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 August 2020 19: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Maz
        From 2008 to 2009 - Chief of Staff - First Deputy Army Commander in the Moscow Military District.

        Che-that does not stick together. Or the chief of staff of the army, or the deputy commander. The commander never had a first deputy, like, or am I behind in life?
    4. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 26 August 2020 11: 34 New
      12
      There is no hazing only in the fleet and never was.)))
      The general in the army defeated her, you say?
      #32 from 24.08.2020
      Source: https://versia.ru/v-armii-tak-i-ne-udalos-pobedit-dedovshhinu
      He either did not get enough sleep, or did not get drunk.
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 26 August 2020 12: 04 New
        +8
        Well, yes, there is an anniversary in the navy, not a grandfather in the navy, but a year.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 26 August 2020 14: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        There is no hazing only in the navy and never has been

        Indeed, there was no hazing, there was a God-birthday!
  2. Flamberg
    Flamberg 26 August 2020 10: 41 New
    +5
    the main role in establishing the statutory order in military units was played by the military police, the military-political administration of the Ministry of Defense, as well as the command of the units

    There it is Th Mikhalych !!! laughing You will not praise yourself, no one will praise laughing
    And the fact that the deadline has become a year long seems to have nothing to do with laughing
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 26 August 2020 10: 41 New
    +3
    as a practitioner I DON'T BELIEVE yet ... the kids come from our streets ... and there are older ones and flocks (you are from what district) ... they are brought up in this from an early age ... but it certainly became less because combat training increased in times ... but in the field everything is different ...
  4. Million
    Million 26 August 2020 10: 42 New
    +9
    I don't believe it! Another populist statement
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 August 2020 10: 43 New
    +4
    I remember that in 88, in one part, they ordered all the "grandfathers" to write such a "footcloth" that there was no hazing in this part! After that, the "grandfathers" went to drink moonshine, and teach life to "salag"! Wasn't such a "result" now achieved by such methods? ??
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 26 August 2020 11: 14 New
      -1
      then there were grandfathers. now how can they get a year of service?
  6. Slon_on
    Slon_on 26 August 2020 10: 45 New
    +1
    Interestingly, and the vicious system of "responsible" is preserved in the current Russian Army?
  7. taiga2018
    taiga2018 26 August 2020 10: 52 New
    +3
    Of course, there is no complete eradication, and there will not be, because in a team that brings together young guys from 18 and older there will always be shniki and those who want to rush them ... But of course there is no such thing as before, no one will shout like in our years "hang yourself, perfume!"
    1. ugol2
      ugol2 26 August 2020 12: 02 New
      +8
      - Yes, it's not the first time we hang ourselves, the spirits will answer. The right perfume.
  8. KCA
    KCA 26 August 2020 10: 57 New
    +2
    Hazing in one form or another exists even in the armies of "progressive democracies", the level of violence may be different, but ordering a young man to throw himself at a chip, or a self-propelled gun for vodka at once, it is quite possible that now they are not instructed to get vodka, but money for the purchase, but it will not be possible to completely eradicate it, when I was on an urgent basis, I was 91-93 even in training, the warriors of the same conscription were divided into privileged and scrubbed ones, in the ZGV when I got there, the old servicemen did not beat them at all, but they could force them to do physical education, push-ups , but the jamb could be like this - we want pancakes, well, we don't shmogli, take the emphasis while lying down, however, they usually coped with such tasks, and they baked the pancakes in the locker, and fried the eggs, and so the relationship was normal, and those who came from vacation could have had homemade gifts treat, and even give out a can of beer
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 26 August 2020 11: 16 New
      -1
      violence and hazing are not the same thing. absolutely. Hazing is essentially the difference between soldiers in terms of service life. the one who has served the most is older. now everyone has become stronger and more impudent and that is right. which is much worse for me.
      1. KCA
        KCA 26 August 2020 11: 32 New
        -1
        There was hazing during the Second World War, who ran for boiling water, for a pot, who was entrusted with various small tasks? Those who are younger, who served less, were only crushed not by force, but by authority, if the order bearer asked a young soldier to rush for boiling water, would he refuse?
  9. askort154
    askort154 26 August 2020 10: 58 New
    +5
    He noted the well-coordinated work of the military police, political commanders and unit commanders, which led to positive results.

    I wonder what policy and which party are being conveyed to the minds of the soldiers by modern political officers? And something did the general-priest not mention?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 August 2020 19: 24 New
      0
      Quote: askort154
      He noted the well-coordinated work of the military police, political commanders and unit commanders, which led to positive results.

      I wonder what policy and which party are being conveyed to the minds of the soldiers by modern political officers? And something did the general-priest not mention?

      And the role of the military policemen is also not clear - how are they here? According to the Charter, they will not enter the barracks as easily as they fought with bullying - on the street, or what?
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 26 August 2020 11: 00 New
    15
    A strange statement, against the background of the case of Private Shamsutdinov, which took place on October 25, 2019 in military unit 54160, located in the ZATO Gorny Zabaikalsky Krai, as a result of which eight were killed and two soldiers of the Russian army were wounded. That is, not even a year has passed since such a resonant case, but has already completely eradicated
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 26 August 2020 11: 09 New
    -5
    The Russian Armed Forces have completely eradicated hazing and barracks hooliganism.

    It is gratifying to hear that ...
  12. Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 26 August 2020 11: 09 New
    +9
    Head of the Main Directorate of the Military Police of the Ministry of Defense Colonel-General Sergei Kuralenko

    A liar, which the world has never seen.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 26 August 2020 11: 20 New
      +2
      and in what he is wrong? for a year of service, they simply will not have time to divide it into old servicemen and new ones. grandfathers did not appear from dampness. it was a well-established system that was completely destroyed. completely different remains. that is in any team. at any school or university. the strong always spread rot on the weak. but this is no longer hazing.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 26 August 2020 11: 28 New
        +2
        Since the name is so important to you, and not the essence of the process, Dmitry .. then we look at the whole quote
        "The Russian Armed Forces have completely eradicated hazing and barracks hooliganism. "
        accordingly, let's call it "barracks hooliganism." Does this mean that the meaning is greatly changed or has this phenomenon been eradicated?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 August 2020 12: 03 New
          -8
          meaning in the name. and it is of great importance.
      2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 26 August 2020 11: 35 New
        +4
        and what is he wrong about?

        In all.
        A simple example is the army of Uzbekistan. Call 1 (one) time per year.
        Those. soldiers come to the unit at the same time. And leave at the same time. Therefore, there are no grandfathers in the divisions. They just have nowhere to come from. Only the contract sergeants remain.
        The army is small, so you get there. If you want to serve, you have to give a bribe. The military registration and enlistment offices call only volunteers. And without serving in the army, law enforcement agencies (police, traffic police, etc.) are not accepted. Therefore, the divisions are in complete order. For every bruise they ask very strictly.
        And all other persons of military age are taken to a mob for 1 month. appeal. And it costs about $ 800 in the state. treasury. You can pay immediately, or in installments for a year. This money supports the army.
        And in these units, contract sergeants also maintain order. A friend recently served with me, he told me.
        Something like that.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 August 2020 12: 09 New
          -4
          and why this example? how does this even connect with what I said? people who come from the citizenry are already formed. before they fell into a system that clearly divided them into, say, different castes. half a year. year spirits scoops grandfathers demobilization .. the transition to a year destroyed this system.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 26 August 2020 23: 25 New
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        the strong always spread rot on the weak.

        Not strong, but corny cut off from their own foul essence. am
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 August 2020 11: 18 New
    +2
    laughing Well, the colonel-general is strong. To say that and not burst out laughing. Here is an excerpt.
  14. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 26 August 2020 11: 19 New
    -1
    Politicians appeared and started working. The first step is rebranding ...
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 August 2020 19: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Olddetractor
      Politicians appeared and started working. The first step is rebranding ...

      Politicians in the army of a country where "there is no ideology" is ridiculous laughing
  15. Pavel73
    Pavel73 26 August 2020 11: 20 New
    -2
    There is only one way to eradicate bullying: to make the material well-being of officers dependent on its actual presence or absence in the barracks. So that they don't care. Then it will not be.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 26 August 2020 11: 48 New
      -2
      Pavel, we have already discussed more than once, now it is not enough that an officer can punish a conscript, is it possible to expel from the army? But the conscripts can tell the prosecutor's office if they don't like it ... Yes ... about personal authority and the fact that such officers (with authority) should be in the army, I certainly agree, but where can I get so many of them? let's get closer to the ground, such "fathers-officers" at best 20 percent, and even then not in all types of troops who travel on personal authority .. and it's not natural after school that it's not lieutenants ..
      those. will we start to physically "teach" the fighters with the hands of sergeants and / or officers, respectively, on the contrary, to revive "bullying" and again all the bumps on junior officers?
      I suggest.
      First, to understand that in any men's team there is a hierarchy, we have a fight on the course for the first year, almost every day, sometimes not one .. nothing, all the rules .. there were weak ones .. some even now senior officers .. but this is life .. these are men ..
      Secondly. to tear off the attachment of the command of the unit from the actions of conscripts in the sense that if he is a jerk or inadequate, the commander should immediately declare - to the Police or to the Prosecutor's Office and the command of the unit should not be afraid that this is now a stain on the career and a string of checks, as now. then conscripts will be more adequate for many ..
      And that's all .. I think the problem will immediately diminish greatly, or maybe the truth will disappear ..
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 26 August 2020 11: 54 New
        0
        Of course, in any men's team there is a hierarchy. The duty of the officer is to explain to the fighters so that they know the measure. For example, the "spirit" washes the disposition for the "grandfather" - this is normal, it should be so. But if he fills a bed for him, this should already be banned. That is, everything in the service is correct, and the obstinate must be punished, including physically. But that no personal favors (run to me for cigarettes!) And humiliation.
  16. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 26 August 2020 11: 22 New
    +2
    Oh, you would not promise. After every official statement about achieving something, something happens in Russia.
  17. orcinus
    orcinus 26 August 2020 11: 28 New
    0
    What goals are set, so they are achieved))) If, in the understanding of the leaders, "hazing" is solely with a fist in the face in the dryer, then, for sure, this has been eradicated))) although, knowing our Slavs, it’s hard to believe in this) correctly then someone wrote, "the army is a mold of society." That when a vocational school graduate comes to wave a kyle at a construction site, he doesn't run to his uncles for cigarettes and beer in the store? And yesterday's university graduate is not looked at as a microbe at work, where he has just been distributed, they do not poke him in the style of "forget everything that you were taught at the institute ..." This is, in essence, "hazing." Generation over 50 loves to talk about mentoring, but in modern reality this is already an anachronism! And we have mentally laid down: "I am older, it means I am smarter! I am here more, it means I am more experienced and smarter and all the young owe me!" My father, for example, does not understand that an IT specialist can already be a millionaire and a boss for several hundred people at the age of 25 - my father answered: "What kind of leader is he, with his life experience ?!" About "community" I generally keep quiet))) As a summary: if people do not understand that the very essence of "bullying" is an old format of thinking, then the goals are set to fight the phenomenon itself, and not its root cause!
  18. ugol2
    ugol2 26 August 2020 11: 35 New
    +9
    In the Army "Dedovshchina" was canceled ?! belay
    Order number, please.

    A little humor.
    In general, barracks hooliganism must of course be fought in the most serious way.
    But in a broader sense, the "young" will always plow more than the "old". Regardless of whether it is a young soldier in the disposition, or a young general in the Moscow headquarters. Here hazing is ineradicable.
    1. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 26 August 2020 12: 18 New
      +3
      Why didn't you attend the order reader on Friday ?! Where is the service notebook ?! To deprive the prize! - A joke of humor!
  19. Hagen
    Hagen 26 August 2020 12: 18 New
    +1
    such a concept as "hazing", "barracks hooliganism" has been completely eradicated

    Everything is correct. No grandfathers, disrespect for society - too. The muzzles are beaten exclusively in their own appeal and out of sudden hostile relations. laughing
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 26 August 2020 13: 07 New
    0
    Such statements should be made not by the Deputy Minister of Defense, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, but by the military prosecutor, according to the analysis of criminal and administrative cases in the RF Armed Forces.
    1. Komissar
      Komissar 26 August 2020 16: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Such statements should be made not by the Deputy Minister of Defense, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, but by the military prosecutor, according to the analysis of criminal and administrative cases in the RF Armed Forces.

      And publish statistics, how many were put in, how many were sent to the disbats How many officers were brought to responsibility, for concealing crimes, etc. That would be good to think.
  21. Komissar
    Komissar 26 August 2020 13: 39 New
    +3
    such a concept as "hazing", "barracks hooliganism" has been completely eradicated

    In vain did the general boast about how the law of meanness "our media" will soon inflate this topic in all the details ..
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 26 August 2020 14: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: Komissar
      "our media" will soon inflate this topic in all details

      "our media" work on an external order, such an order, according to my observations, has practically not been there since the age of 13, after the Crimea it has completely disappeared - now they mold an aggressor from our Army, and the image of an aggressor does not fit with a weak army.
      1. Komissar
        Komissar 26 August 2020 16: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Andobor
        "our media" are working on an external order, according to my observations, there is practically no such order since the age of 13,

        Well, how can I say a year ago, a soldier in the Far East put his colleague from a machine gun .. The noise was great .. There was an illegal relationship. Well, that's not the point, I just don't like boastful generals and officials .. Well, why bash like that! Hazing to one degree or another in the Army will be, without it in any way, this is called in psychology to assert itself .. But you need to keep on control, of course, so as not to bring it to a bloody end ..
  22. Torak
    Torak 26 August 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    In fact, the presence of bullying depends on the officers - if they live in the barracks and are engaged in personnel, it will not be there. Personally, in the USSR, I witnessed such a fact in the intelligence battalion! There was no hazing at all, from the word at all! The slightest inclinations were suppressed in the most cruel way. The captain-combat officer personally ran in the mornings at the head of the column, his German shepherd (the smartest dog I have seen in life) - in the tail, suppressing the slightest attempts to cut.
  23. Lew
    Lew 26 August 2020 15: 30 New
    +1
    still the service itself would be put in order ... how the son will serve, I will tell ... what brave officers we have ...
  24. Armored beast
    Armored beast 26 August 2020 18: 21 New
    0
    Really? Finally. And then in the old days ... DMB 76-78, GSVG, it was ...
  25. BAI
    BAI 26 August 2020 19: 01 New
    0
    In his speech, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov drew particular attention to the correctly chosen direction of joint actions to establish the statutory order in the Armed Forces, which resulted in a significant reduction in the number of military crimes, completely eradicated such a concept as "hazing"

    The general only forgot to note that there is no merit to the Ministry of Defense in this. Due to the service life of 1 year, the base of the occurrence of hazing has disappeared - a difference of 1.5 years. And the barracks hooliganism has not gone anywhere, since there were "compatriots".
  26. bk0010
    bk0010 26 August 2020 20: 57 New
    +1
    Did they drag machine guns from weapons to pyramids in the barracks? Not? It means that hazing has not been eradicated ...
    1. c2020
      c2020 28 August 2020 08: 30 New
      0
      The Ministry of Defense announced the eradication of bullying in the army

      At the Army 2020 forum, several Russian tanks demonstrated the firing of tank guided missiles at stationary targets in range conditions ... Of the 16 launches, 8 misses are exactly half.

      Apparently the journalists mixed something up again. Rather, hazing announced the uprooting of the army ...