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With the "collapse of the dollar" will have to wait again: the ruble falls against the background of rising oil prices

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August demonstrates the “special laws” of the Russian economy. If earlier the national currency was determined in a “steel” peg to oil prices (barrel up - ruble up, and vice versa), now this dependence, apparently, is becoming a thing of the past. An additional speculative factor begins to play a much larger role.


So, over the past day, a barrel of Brent crude oil jumped in price by more than 2%, approaching $ 46. And at the same time, the Russian ruble continued to fall. Trading ended on August 25 at the following levels: 75,35 rubles. per US dollar, 89,17 rubles. for the euro.

Thus, the ruble continued to fall despite the fact that oil prices rose. Moreover, the drop is significant. In euro - 1,20 rubles. per day.

Traditionally, experts in the field of economics have found an explanation for this trend. It is argued that "there are no grounds for strengthening the Russian ruble in the near future," since "imports are recovering after coronavirus restrictions, which means that business needs foreign currency for purchases."

The adherents of the theory of the "imminent collapse of the dollar" took a break in such a situation. With the "collapse" of the American currency, you will have to wait again ... Apparently, they are preparing their own version of an "explanation" for what is happening on the Russian market.

Meanwhile, so-called independent economic experts say the Russian ruble is better for "short-term" savings. What does this mean? Even in the long term, a “collapse of the dollar” and a “victory of the ruble” are not expected? ..

In such a situation, additional inflationary risks may appear, which is a dangerous factor against the background of a significant drop in economic indicators.
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  1. eleronn
    eleronn 26 August 2020 07: 28
    18
    In general, everything is fine in the country. But you can't live like that anymore!
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 26 August 2020 07: 32
      -20 qualifying.
      How so? How impossible? And explain right away how lzya, well, or let's say how you need to live. So that we do not have excruciating pain for the priceless years lived. (c)
      1. Temples
        Temples 26 August 2020 07: 49
        -22 qualifying.
        Quote: eleronn
        But you can't live like that anymore!

        Well, the kingdom of heaven to you. love
        Can you change your mind? wink
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 26 August 2020 07: 53
          -8
          Quote: Temples
          Can you change your mind?

          belay Temples, how can you change your mind ??? Stop it! I already bought rice with raisins !!!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 08: 04
            15
            Guys, there are things that are trivially dangerous to joke around with, because they will arrive in the return line by eight.
            Not to mention the ethical side of the issue. hi
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 26 August 2020 08: 09
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              because they are on the eight to fly back.

              We are all mortal, Igor wink , and even the dollars received in exchange today in your pocket will not save ... unfortunately ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 08: 16
                39
                I'm not talking about that Sergei. There are topics that are not worth joking about.
                And I have no dollars, I have a salary of about 30 rubles, three small children, alimony for another daughter, a mortgage, a car loan. Yes, there are also benefits of about 20 tr. As a result, there are about 50 incomes and the same expenses.
                Nothing, we survive, subsidiary farming helps. request But in the richest country in the world, this is not normal. hi
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 26 August 2020 08: 28
                  12
                  Probably our oligarchs, in comparison with the American ones, also feel like poor people. And they also complain about injustice.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 08: 30
                    19
                    According to Forbes, the oligarchs of Pendostan feel poor. laughing
                    1. Pereira
                      Pereira 26 August 2020 08: 44
                      +9
                      It should also be borne in mind that not all Russian oligarchs are indeed Russian.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 08: 46
                        +5
                        By blood, they are almost all with Middle Eastern roots. bully
                      2. Pereira
                        Pereira 26 August 2020 09: 09
                        +4
                        Here I am about it. Only I just kept silent, and you put it very politically correct.
                        But we have no complaints about the Palestinian oligarchs, right?
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: Pereira
                        But we have no complaints about the Palestinian oligarchs, right?

                        Of course not, we are not Nazis! bully
                    2. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 26 August 2020 13: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      By blood, they are almost all with Middle Eastern roots.

                      Oleg Deripaska Suleiman Kerimov Alexey Mordashov and the family Vagit Alekperov Gennady Timchenko Vladimir Potanin Andrey Melnichenko Alisher Usmanov
                      German Khan Victor Rashnikov Mikhail Prokhorov Leonid Fedun and the Suleiman Kerimov family and the Alexander Abramov family
                      Did they buy the blood?
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 26 August 2020 08: 48
              -15 qualifying.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              There are topics that are not worth joking about.

              Ooo Igor, and I didn't know that you were so sentimental!
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But in the richest country in the world, this is not normal.

              Certainly not normal, stop fighting with reg, get off the couch and change your lifestyle !!!
              Baker
              Togliatti
              Work experience from 1 year, specialized secondary education, work on a rotational basis
              from 100 rubles / month

              Building maintenance worker (shift)
              Murmansk region
              Shift work
              up to 183 rubles / month

              Fitter
              Togliatti
              Shift work
              up to 100 rubles / month

              Everything is in your hands, Igor !!!
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 09
                +9
                Quote: Serg65
                so sentimental!

                Superstitious, you mean? wink no, I just believe in the cycle of everything in nature, or as some say, in the effect of reward. Your words can fly to you. request
                Quote: Serg65
                Everything is in your hands, Igor !!!

                What was in my hands, I realized. Found an official job with pay above the regional average. And you are offering me a watch. What is not immediately in Europe?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 26 August 2020 09: 50
                  -9
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I just believe in the cycle of everything in nature, or as some say, in the effect of reward

                  what Not a fig did not understand, but interesting! Those. you, by your actions, are striving to organize a cardinal change of power and the political system, while not thinking at all that your actions may well lead to a real impoverishment of the Russian people ...... now explain to me the theory of the retribution effect regarding your actions?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Found an official job with pay above the regional average. And you offer me a watch

                  Do you need to support your family in prosperity or report on your searches?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  What is not immediately in Europe?

                  belay I somehow had no idea about the desire to have lace panties .... especially in Russia there are much more opportunities than in Europe!
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 57
                    +8
                    Quote: Serg65
                    your actions may well lead to the real impoverishment of the Russian people

                    Even according to Rosstat, in 50 years the Russian people simply will not exist.
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Do you need to support your family in prosperity or report on your searches?

                    "Have you signed up for the shift" - is this your slogan and recipe for prosperity? Is this why the hinterland is dying out for the recipe?
                    Quote: Serg65
                    especially since there are many more opportunities in Russia than in Europe!
                    For whom, Sergey?
                  2. Serg65
                    Serg65 26 August 2020 10: 13
                    -11 qualifying.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Even according to Rosstat, in 50 years the Russian people simply will not exist.

                    recourse Eh, I’m unlikely to live to see this!
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    "Have you signed up for the shift" - is this your slogan and recipe for prosperity?

                    This is not a slogan or a recipe. Your income depends only on you!
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Is this why the hinterland is dying out for the recipe?

                    The hinterland began to die out long before Putin. Back in the early 70s, I saw abandoned villages in the Tula region. But I agree, this is a big problem, it takes time to solve this problem and you can't help with slogans! One of the solutions to this problem, oddly enough, is the watch! A person, if he is headlong, having earned half a million rubles in three months, invests in the creation of a farm in his native village ...
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    For whom, Sergey?

                    Yes, at least for you, Igor! You have a higher education ... go for it !!!
                  3. 72jora72
                    72jora72 26 August 2020 10: 57
                    14
                    One of the solutions to this problem, oddly enough, is the watch!
                    And I, as a resident of the Far North, will tell youwatch kills the northern regions. For why invest in the region, in infrastructure in the social sphere, why educate and train young people, maintain kindergartens and schools. 110% profit.
                  4. Serg65
                    Serg65 26 August 2020 11: 25
                    -5
                    Quote: 72jora72
                    I, as a resident of the Far North

                    Here I have for you, as a resident of the Far North, a question ....... Soviet metal barrels and stale perennial debris have already been removed or still remains?
                    Quote: 72jora72
                    watch kills northern regions

                    Interesting ... the northern regions grew up on a watch, there are not so many people who want to live in the Arctic Circle, and much more labor is required!
                  5. 72jora72
                    72jora72 26 August 2020 14: 11
                    +3
                    Here I have for you, as a resident of the Far North, a question ....... Soviet metal barrels and stale perennial debris have already been removed or still remains?
                    Much has been removed, a lot is still left, the conversation is not about what was left after the USSR, the problem is that the whole "philosophy" of the rotational method of work lies in the slogancost reduction, and after us even a flood.
                    Interesting ... the northern regions grew up on a watch, there are not so many people who want to live in the Arctic Circle, and much more labor is required!
                    Stop carrying heresy, what are these watches? On the contrary, they built workers' settlements that expanded into cities. Kindergartens, shops, schools, roads and ports were built. The regions of the Far East only grew in population up to 91; there were no regions with negative migration.
                2. krillon
                  krillon 26 August 2020 15: 32
                  +3
                  I, as a former resident of the Far North and areas equated to them, confirm the above.
              2. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 26 August 2020 11: 23
                +7
                Your income depends only on you!

                Yes, that's right. In Russia, senior mate to the captain, salary 90 - 150 thousand rubles; in Europe - from 4000 €, work also; in the "off-shore" from $ 6000, for the captain and chief engineer - from $ 14000 to $ 15000. Per month! Compare earning opportunities. And calculate, for the sake of interest, how much they are “put on shoes” every month in Russia. And I am not at all surprised by the desire of Ukrainians to work in Europe. It's just that they no longer have any illusions about the prospects of their economy, and some of us, it seems, do not yet ...
              3. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 11: 55
                +1
                Quote: Brylevsky
                In Russia, senior mate to the captain, salary 90 - 150 thousand rubles; in Europe - from 4000 €, work also; in the "off-shore" from $ 6000, for the captain and chief engineer - from $ 14000 to $ 15000. Per month!

                Where is it from? Such crazy numbers?
                For Russia - different companies, different conditions, different contracts, different salaries.
                In Europe.
                On the Danish supercontainer ship Maersk, the Danish starmech receives no more than 10 thousand euros per month. On the paper. He gets 4 thousand euros a month in his hands. The difference is in the form of taxes and in the form of contributions to the pension fund. Such a system is in Denmark.
                Upon retirement, the same Danish starmech receives 4 thousand euros a month. The downside is taxes.
                The source is an inspector from DNV-GL who checked my steamer in the Danish port of Odense last year.
                Foreigners, but EU residents from the so-called poor countries will receive significantly less Danish citizens in the same position.
                Foreigners, the main suppliers of seafarers to ships owned by European companies, Russians, Ukrainians and Filipinos, receive even less.
                Today the seafarers' rates are averaged across the dry cargo fleet in Europe. And salary 10-15 thousand (euros or dollars) even for captains, very big money. They can only be earned on gas carriers or supertankers. But you still have to get there. "There thieves grabbed all the places ..." ©
              4. Serg65
                Serg65 26 August 2020 12: 44
                -7
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Where is it from?

                laughing Etozh Valera ... a private airborne sailor of a wide profile + Wikipedia is a reliable source of knowledge!
              5. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 26 August 2020 13: 22
                +9
                Where is it from? Such crazy numbers?

                These are the real amounts of salaries where I wrote. Read "off-shore". I hope you know what this is? And you don't need to get on tankers or gas carriers for this. Here, for example, the salary of a caiptan in the MOL company is 10000 USD, a container ship and a car carrier; the salary of the same captain in the company "Kamchatka Shipping Company" - 150 thousand rubles ... Normal difference? Look, you yourself are a sailor, you work under the flag, what are you trying to convince me of? What is better to work in Russia than in Europe? Isn't it funny yourself? Give up your seat on the ship to some Ukrainian or Filipino and then go to work in the "Far Eastern Shipping Company" for 100 thousand rubles, and make a joke of the difference right away.
              6. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 13: 45
                -5
                Quote: Brylevsky
                For example, the salary of a caiptan in the MOL company is 10000 USD, a container ship and a car carrier; the salary of the same captain in the Kamchatka Shipping Company is 150 thousand rubles ... Is it a normal difference?

                I answer ...
                What are the incomes in Kamchatka, such salary costs ...
                On the website of the Northern Shipping Company, there was an announcement that a captain-mentor with a salary of 65 thousand rubles was required in the spring of 2018. Taking into account the local coefficient, this is a maximum of 90 thousand.
                Do you think someone responded?
                The declared salaries of the captains of container ships and car carriers are like "it is written on the fence" .... wassat
                I know a lot of colleagues who went to other companies for a "long dollar". Half returned. Because, as beyond the "sea, a heifer is a half, and a ruble is a ferry." They look at which company he came from, how much he received. And on this basis, I offer rates, as a rule, less. This is a normal razvodilovo. There is also a market for guest workers in the Navy.
                The main criterion is how this "money" is given, because the coast-sea work schedules can be very fun. Sometimes sailors do not have time to change their underpants, as again, either for a watch, or for fastening-unfastening of cars or containers. For a long time, the expression Fatige appeared in the concept of sailors. Which means monstrous fatigue with a continuous work schedule. Which leads to injury and death.
                In the Navy Nobody Pays Money for Zadarma.
                And the sailors pay for any money with their health.
                And, as always, demand generates supply. With all the consequences ...
              7. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 26 August 2020 14: 27
                +6
                The declared salaries of the captains of container ships and car carriers are like "it is written on the fence" ....

                What "razvadilovo" ?! What are you writing here ?! I have worked at MOL for about 7 years and I know what I'm talking about! "Razvadilovo", this is what you write here! No, this has not been heard - MOL - "razvadilovo"! That's why people can't get out of a cannon from there: until the captain dies, the chief officer will not become a captain; until the first mate becomes the captain, the second will not become the first mate ... And to get a job there, you have to pass a bunch of tests for knowledge of the specialty and language and talk to the Japanese! "Razvadilovo" ... Razvadilovo, this is to work for us! I still have $ 4000 "sticking out" by the patriotic leaders of one of the domestic shipping companies, and not me alone, mind you.
                Half returned.

                Yeah. I know how they "come back". "Kasiakov" was pushed at work, but they were not offered new contracts. What's wrong? I had to work with such "figures" ... No, well, it's just ridiculous: the dude works, gets 4000-10000 USD, and then, if he was like this: "No, guys ... it's not even my thing. I'll come back. For 100 thousand rubles to work somehow "cooler" ... So my wife will also be glad of my decision, and the children ... will understand. And the bank, to which I pay 50 thousand rubles every month on a mortgage ... "
                Sometimes sailors do not have time to change their underpants, as again, either for a watch, or for fastening-unfastening of cars or containers. For a long time, the expression Fatige appeared in the concept of sailors. Which means monstrous fatigue with a continuous work schedule.

                Well ... it's the same in Russia, not only under the flag. I will say more: here, abroad, the regime of work and rest is observed, but in our country it is not. And I don’t need to say the opposite - I worked as an executive officer here and there. So, it is more profitable to suffer for 4 months for 4000 euros per month than six months for 100 thousand rubles, that's the whole difference. If a person is not an invalid of the brain, then he will definitely draw conclusions for himself.
              8. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 15: 18
                -5
                Quote: Brylevsky
                I know how they "come back". "Kasyakov" was pushed at work, but they were not offered new contracts. What's wrong? I had to work with such "figures" ... No, well, it's just ridiculous: the dude works, gets 4000-10000 USD, and then, if he was like this: "No, guys ... it's not even my thing. I'll come back. ...

                Judging by your jargon and spelling, vague doubts are already plagued, if not in the place of work, then in the company or position.
                Quote: Brylevsky
                I will say more: here, abroad, the regime of work and rest is observed, but in our country it is not. And I don’t need to say the opposite - I worked as an executive officer here and there.

                Tell your crew about the rest and work schedule. They will understand you.
                And also tell us how it works on a car carrier.
                Line Immingam (England) - Rotterdam (Holland).
                Transition 16 hours from port to port. During this time, you need to rest, put in order the ship facilities (maintenace), upon arrival, unload cars and trailers, drive them to the berth.
                Then a smoke break for a couple of hours, and - drive the equipment, fix it, and into the sea.
                The question is - how can you meet the STCW requirements here? The answer is one thing on paper, in fact it's getting worse.
                Small container truck (feeder). Pulls containers from large container ships. Mooring at the pier is 2 hours at best - both at loading and unloading. Crossing by sea or along rivers - from 3-4 to 10-15 hours. If the transition takes a day - all with happiness. You can sleep normally, not in overalls, and not with a shovel in hand.
                Nobody can stand it for more than 2 months, both on car carriers and small container carriers. The salary is higher there. But health, lost in such a frantic pace of work, cannot be bought.
              9. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 26 August 2020 15: 59
                +6
                And also tell us how it works on a car carrier.
                Line Immingam (England) - Rotterdam (Holland).
                Transition 16 hours from port to port.

                Well, don't work on a car carrier like this. You might think someone is being dragged there by force ... I worked on other car carriers, when the schedule is 15 ports a month, nothing, no one died. Tired, of course ... but we knew what we were working for: for a solid American dollar laughing , whose monthly receipts to the bank account very much gave strength to endure hardships and hardships.
                The question is - how can you meet the STCW requirements here?

                At 16 hours of passage by sea - no way. But, I repeat again: nobody is lured there. And you have chosen some completely wild example. I now, for example, work in the Baltic. The shortest crossing is 21 hours, the longest is about 4 days, and I cannot say that we are very tired. When the organization of the work process is normal, then people do not get tired in vain. He worked on container ships 6400 TEU, Japan - the USA, there, in general, the birthday of the heart: ocean crossings 10-14 days, 10 days in the USA, 5-7 ports. These are normal examples. good , and you have some extreme what
                Nobody can stand it for more than 2 months, both on car carriers and small container carriers.

                Well, there is a contract, which means 2 months. What is the difficulty? Endure 2 months? So, look for another company, and that's it. Well, or welcome to us, to the Far East ... just the level of salaries at the "Outpost" look so that you don't faint.
                But health, lost in such a frantic pace of work, cannot be bought.

                Such people need to work in a harbor tug, three days later, with pensioners. Not to be responsible for anything - to have nothing.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 26 August 2020 12: 10
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Brylevsky
      In Russia, senior mate to the captain, salary 90 - 150 thousand rubles;

      Well, let's start with the fact that the specialty of a senior assistant in Russia is in little demand due to the small number of jobs, so to speak!
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Compare earning opportunities

      If you are not satisfied with the earnings, change your specialty to a more popular one!
      Quote: Brylevsky
      And I'm not at all surprised by the desire of Ukrainians to work in Europe.

      Are they making good money?
      Quote: Brylevsky
      and some of us don't seem to have yet ...

      Some of us have a desire to make money and they earn, and do not rush around the world in search of a freebie!
    3. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 26 August 2020 13: 39
      +4
      Well let's start by saying

      Come on without "come on"? My job and salary are fine with me. And note - I have not changed anything in my life. My specialty fully feeds me and my family.
      Are they making good money?

      Believe it or not, they earn normally, especially when compared with 35 thousand rubles a month. I mean the sailors. For the rest I will not say, I do not know.
      Some of us have a desire to make money and they earn, and do not rush around the world in search of a freebie!

      And there is no freebie anywhere, neither here nor there. You seem to have a generally poor idea of ​​the foreign labor market and the level of wages there ... You can earn money here and there. But they earn more there and the working conditions there are different, that's the whole difference. What do you work for at work? To earn money? Then, you go there ... And if in order to feel like a "chitlanin" among the "boys", then ... then you are working in the right place.
  2. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 11: 14
    +7
    especially since there are many more opportunities in Russia than in Europe!

    Well, yes, “Russia is a country of opportunities”, for some reason I immediately remembered this song and its masterpiece performance in the “Comedy Club”. Opportunities for what? To work honestly and make good money at the same time? Controversial. Very controversial. I will give you just one example from my life, although I have far from one. Look here: in Russia, a docker in a port receives a maximum of 35-70 thousand rubles; the same docker in Rotterdam gets ... 3500 €, this is without overtime and bonuses, the minimum. Although he does less work and the qualifications are lower than ours. So much for your "geyropa" ... Therefore, there is no need to talk about the possibilities, which, in fact, do not exist. We in Russia have the opportunity to earn ourselves a hump and the "Order of the Stoop". In order for someone to advise something, you must first experience it yourself, so, at least, it will be honest. People were also attracted to the construction site of Vostochny with high salaries. Until now, they are seeking their salaries through the courts ...
  3. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 11: 23
    -4
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Look here: in Russia, a docker in a port receives a maximum of 35-70 thousand rubles; the same docker in Rotterdam gets ... 3500 €, this is without overtime and bonuses, the minimum.

    Not a single Russian port stood next to Rotterdam in terms of the amount of cargo handled over the same period of time. And, as a result, different income received from loading and unloading, even averaged over one so-called. employee.
    The most massive incomes of the port are from container processing, delivered by container ships. There is no such cargo turnover neither in the European part of Russia, nor in the Far East. Therefore, there is no income either. And everyone has costs. This is required by logistics.
  4. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 11: 40
    +7
    Yes, if it were only a matter of cargo turnover! Compare seafarers' salaries. The average cost of freight is about the same, but the salary is different! What is this talking about? When shipowners have about the same profit, but people have different salaries?
  5. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 12: 29
    -2
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Compare seafarers' salaries.

    Compared. See above...
    Quote: Brylevsky
    The average cost of freight is about the same, but the salary is different!

    With what fright is the same?
    In each specific case, the amount of freight (for one-time transportation of goods) is negotiated by the brokerage company. The lower the credibility and status of the shipping company, the less freight will be.
    And in some cases, to receive this freight, you need to go through additional verification by the sender.
    Example. Italian port of Brindisi. Shipment of special slurry for cement production to Denmark. The consignor is ENEL, which values ​​its reputation as a supplier so much that it charters vessels under 18 years of age from trusted carriers. Before loading, a surveyor comes on board with a questionnaire for 400 (four hundred, Karl!), Points!
    The minimum number of filled points (in my and other people's experience) is 10-15, an average of 30-40. Upon reaching the mark above 60, the vessel is not accepted for loading until the comments are corrected. Simple - at the expense of the carrier.
    For years, shipping companies have been developing a name to get on the list of reliable carriers. And then there will be freight. Good.
    And Russian carriers do not have not only a good, but also a decent fleet. NOVATEK and SOVKOMFLOT make no difference. There, half of the ships fly a foreign flag, and the rank and file sailors are Filipinos. Why? This is a question with crewing companies.
  6. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 13: 55
    +5
    Compared. See above...

    What are you comparing ?! Do you want to tell me that in "Maersk" the starmech gets 4000 euros "clean" in his hands ?! You read these "fairy tales" in "Visiting a Fairy Tale" to children, from "Youth Army", they will willingly believe you.
    For everything else that you have written ... I do not want to prove or explain anything to anyone here. Let me give you a simple but illustrative example: I worked for a German shipping company, a small company, only two steamers, but not the essence. The ship owner, who is also the commercial director, who is also the technical director, who is also the superintendent, who is also the freight manager, who is also the crew manager ... one, in all faces. He was driving an old "minivan", talking on an old mobile phone (he didn't even have an "iPhone"), his wife was sitting in the office - a secretary. This is the staff of the company ... But the salaries are in full volume and on time; supply - all requests were satisfied, also on time; water, food, crew change - no problem! And one could easily turn to him, calmly solve production issues or just talk "for life." I also worked for us in shipping companies. Tell me further or do you know yourself?
  7. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 15: 27
    -5
    Quote: Brylevsky
    What are you comparing ?! Do you want to tell me that in "Maersk" the starmech gets 4000 euros "clean" in his hands ?! You read these "fairy tales" in "Visiting a Fairy Tale" to children, from "Youth Army", they will willingly believe you.

    Tell me honestly - you work in a fishery collective farm union in Kamchatka.
    Your knowledge is at the level of Wikipedia and my friend is an artist and a poet ... ©
    Quote: Brylevsky
    The ship owner, who is also the commercial director, who is also the technical director, who is also the superintendent, who is also the freight manager, who is also the crew manager ... one, in all faces. He was driving an old "minivan", talking on an old mobile phone (he didn't even have an "iPhone"), his wife was sitting in the office - a secretary. This is the staff of the company ..

    I beg of you..
    The case described above is like a sailor's nightmare. A typical situation for the Germans and the Dutch. The captain, the owner and the ship owner in one bottle - this is the savings in his pocket. Such people recruit naive fools "for grub", and they rejoice: "The owner chose me as his beloved wife!"
    This is a typical song of the 90s, when people signed up for a contract after losing their job in a domestic company.
    Quote: Brylevsky
    And you could easily contact him, calmly solve production issues or just talk "for life"

    Of course ... For life ... laughing
    For whom?
    "Fima, don't fool me ..."
    good
  8. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 16: 15
    +4
    Tell me honestly - you work in a fishery collective farm union in Kamchatka.

    I have never worked there, but I do not promise.
    "Fima, don't fool me ..."

    You don’t fool me about the starmech from "Maersk", with salary of 4000 euros per month. And about other bikes from the same area. To be honest, I don't care who pays me money: a German or a Japanese. It is important that he does this according to the signed contract. So far I have not had any claims to them on this score, but to ours I have. That's actually all I wanted to say.
  9. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 16: 24
    -1
    Quote: Brylevsky

    You don’t fool me about the starmech from Maersk, with salary of 4000 euros per month. And about other bikes from the same area

    Sweetheart ....
    Where does the economic miracle of the Scandinavian countries come from, such as Swedish (but not Norwegian)?
    And from there, from the Tax Department. Income tax, or income tax in Sweden, for example, is the highest. It was not for nothing that ABBA changed its citizenship to English in due time - they paid 90% of the interest.
    A Danish starmech in a Danish company on a Danish-flagged steamer is the most desirable client for the Danish tax service. He earned his pension and deducted taxes.
    This is how it is, Danish socialism ...
  10. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 16: 43
    +5
    Young man! Or who are you there? Enough to regale me with this spreading "cranberry"! I am well aware of the level of salaries in international maritime shipping, I work there myself. These idle speculations are not interesting to me at all, leave them to those who are not "in the subject", they will listen to you with pleasure.
  11. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 17: 32
    -3
    Quote: Brylevsky
    I am well aware of the level of salaries in international maritime shipping, I work there myself.

    You probably know the English letters too ...
    wassat
  12. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 17: 40
    +2
    You probably know the English letters too ...

    A little lol , but enough for mixed crews.
  13. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 17: 42
    -1
    Quote: Brylevsky
    but enough for mixed crews.

    Clear. Filipki, Ukrainians and Negroes.
    And crewing through Marlowe ...
    laughing
  14. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 16: 31
    +4
    A typical situation for the Germans and the Dutch.

    Yeah, at Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement wink ... Boy, you say so as if you were working as a deputy head of Rosmorrechflot, no less laughing
    Yes, they work with such a "situation" many times more efficiently than us! Together with our ministry! And believe me, I'd rather work in a company with such a "situation" than lay around near the quay wall on one of the icebreakers of the aforementioned state structure. Even if it is "beneficial" for health (because you do nothing, you do not risk anything, you are not responsible for anything), but in your pocket there is a beard. This is the way of the egoist.
  15. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 16: 48
    -3
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement

    Another German office with six steamers?
    In Northwest Europe, the number of branded carriers operating in the local transportation market can be counted on the fingers of one hand. The company you specified is clearly not among them.
    Even the infamous Flinter fell asleep, unable to withstand the maintenance costs, including salaries.
  16. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 16: 54
    +5
    Another German office with six steamers?

    Well, you are definitely not "in the subject". Read about it on the Internet. They pay me money, nothing else interests me about them. This "swells", I'll find another. There will be no other, I will work under the Russian flag, for 100 thousand. The algorithm is simple and has been in operation for about 20 years. wink hi
  17. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 17: 30
    -1
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Well, you are definitely not "in the subject". Read about it on the Internet

    Why do I need this Internet?
    I see which companies operate in the basins of the Baltic, North and Norwegian seas, including the Mediterranean ...
    laughing
  18. Serg65
    Serg65 26 August 2020 12: 34
    -9
    Quote: Brylevsky
    profit for shipowners is about the same

    what A container ship owner on the Hong Kong-Rotterdam line has the same profit as a ship owner on the St. Petersburg-Kaliningrad line ???
  19. Serg65
    Serg65 26 August 2020 12: 31
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Look here

    laughing I see you have an orgasm from Europe!
    Quote: Brylevsky
    from the docker, in Rotterdam receives ... 3500 €,

    Which of our ports, as a specialist, can you compare with Rotterdam?
    I say it again, if you do not like the salary of a senior assistant, docker (?), Firefighter sailor, change your profession!
    Quote: Brylevsky
    We in Russia have the opportunity to earn ourselves a hump and the "Order of the Stoop".

    what Valera, is it you?
    Where to work, just not to work! laughing
    Quote: Brylevsky
    In order for someone to advise something, you must first experience it yourself, so, at least, it will be honest

    I agree 100%! The commander of the BC 5. Black Sea Fleet division, a shuttle, a construction worker, a second higher education, again a worker, a foreman, a foreman, a shop manager, a deputy chief of production, a commercial director ..... for everything about all 33 years, excluding VVMIU. So honestly hope?
  20. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 12: 34
    -1
    Quote: Serg65
    The commander of the BC 5. Black Sea Fleet, a shuttle, a construction worker, a second higher education, again a worker, a foreman, a foreman, a shop manager, a deputy chief of production, a commercial director ..... for everything about all 33 years, excluding VVMIU.

    Yes, you, my friend, are a wide-profile specialist!
    hi
  21. Serg65
    Serg65 26 August 2020 12: 39
    -5
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Yes, you, my friend, are a wide-profile specialist!

    Yes, there were two options: to sit straight on the priest, drink vodka and blame the whole world for it, or dreaming of beautiful girls and a glass of Havana. The club does not shy away from any work! laughing
  22. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 26 August 2020 12: 40
    -1
    Quote: Serg65
    Yes, there were two options: to sit straight on the priest, drink vodka and blame the whole world for it, or dreaming of beautiful girls and a glass of Havana. The club does not shy away from any work!

    I agree.
    laughing
  23. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 14: 07
    +6
    laughing I see you from Europe have a straight orgasm!

    Have you been there, in Europe? Lived in it? Or so, - "headlong across Europe" - did you take a bus tour? What do you care about what I enjoy and what I don't?
    So honestly hope?

    So yes.
    I also started as a sailor in my time ... With only one difference - I chose my path in life only once. So I walk along it ... and you will not believe it - everything suits me, especially now. When the salary is in euros ...
  24. Serg65
    Serg65 26 August 2020 14: 11
    -6
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Have you been there, in Europe?

    Been more than once ... and not even a tourist!
    Quote: Brylevsky
    I also started as a sailor at one time

    More details ... only honestly!
  25. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 14: 42
    +3
    More details ... only honestly!

    Why do you need it? However, if you please ... After vocational school as a sailor-minder-electrician, he worked on mining, transport and military auxiliary vessels, then entered the university. Since then I have been going to the seas. Now he is a senior officer on a German container ship. No romance, just money ... romance ended with the collapse of the USSR. Excuse me, but I won't say anything more about myself.
  26. Serg65
    Serg65 27 August 2020 10: 29
    0
    Quote: Brylevsky
    After vocational school

    Already interesting ..
    Quote: Brylevsky
    seaman-minder-electrician

    what River "PTU" or what?
    Quote: Brylevsky
    and military auxiliary vessels

    recourse Valera, well, here you need it .. right now, you will get into trouble again !!!!
    The sailors are divorced, nowhere to urinate! am
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 26 August 2020 10: 41
    +5
    Even our beloved, probably for many, including me, the leader recently admitted that our men live on average up to 65 years old, alas And the watch is one of the primary factors in reducing life expectancy.Who traveled, he knows Especially if you want to earn. conditions, food and other delights. How many families have broken up.?
  • krillon
    krillon 26 August 2020 15: 24
    +5
    Nice numbers, in terms of salary. In the Far East, Sakhalin in particular, they are also recruited. And then it turns out that you have to pay for the rent, they also pay for food. And the money is not at all the same as indicated. In addition, the shift, say, you work for a month, you rest for a month, so you divide your salary by two, it's not worth talking about families without men. The guarantor, as it was on the "box", talked about 25 million jobs, can anyone show where at least half of this number was created?
  • Boris55
    Boris55 26 August 2020 09: 06
    -2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But in the richest country in the world, this is not normal

    Africa is no less rich, but there is still no glory to God.

    The problem of capitalism is that for the people to bring income, it must be kept in a half-starved state. The myth that work the sutra until the evening, without days off and vacations, earn a million and fry your belly in the Canary Islands, breaks on the rock of inflation, an invariable tool of capitalism - slaves should have a constant incentive to bring income to the slave owner.

    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 August 2020 09: 18
      11
      You can live quite richly, earning a good salary, working 9 hours a day, going abroad twice a year.
      And having a pension savings program and additional savings programs.
      This is called developed capitalism.
      And you described the undeveloped oligarchic semi-state capitalism of the Latin American type.
      Which still dominates in Russia.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 August 2020 09: 25
        -5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And you described the undeveloped oligarchic semi-state capitalism of the Latin American type.

        Capitalism is the same everywhere. The beacon of democracy and developed capitalism - the USA today (queues for benefits):

        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 August 2020 09: 36
          +7
          You can console yourself with such pictures, of course. But a normal person with brains and technical education lives quite well in the States.
          And the countries of Western Europe too.
          In Europe, social conditions are better than in the States, but in the States salaries are higher.
          ----
          All my friends who left the USSR in the 70s and 80s are settled, go on vacation to resorts, have normal pensions. Nobody sat without work on benefits. And in the States, and in Israel, and in Canada, and in Germany.
          ----
          But one must "grow" from underdeveloped capitalism to developed capitalism.
          It takes 20-40 years.
          It took Israel about 30 years.
          .
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 26 August 2020 09: 48
          -7
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But one must "grow" from underdeveloped capitalism to developed capitalism.

          I hate the exploitation of man by man in any form. The USA (Europe) rob the rest of the World for their own welfare. Constant wars, murder of men, women, old people, children, seizure of rich natural resources, etc. Here is the price of your well-being:

        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 August 2020 09: 57
          +2
          You have nothing to argue: there is prosperity under capitalism.
          And you are trying to connect this with wars. But even the countries that lost wars and were destroyed, but intensively building capitalism - Germany and Japan - became rich.
          South Korea experienced a terrible war, but became rich and developed.
          China is also getting richer, starting to build capitalism.
          And many countries where there have never been wars remained poor.
        4. Elephant
          Elephant 26 August 2020 10: 58
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          You have nothing to argue: there is prosperity under capitalism.

          We also had relative prosperity under socialism! Yes, jeans were in short supply. But under the USSR, in my hometown with a population of half a million, there were a dozen state factories and factories. Now there is not a single large enterprise. Only speculators-resellers in the markets, many officials and small firms such as "horns and hooves."
  • Roman246810
    Roman246810 26 August 2020 10: 05
    +8
    Something some blacks in the queue .. who simply do not even plan to get a job somewhere .. because you can live on benefits too ..
    And here for a similar "allowance" of 30 thousand people work for themselves every day .. Hence the fair dissatisfaction with the situation ..
  • Quadro
    Quadro 26 August 2020 16: 55
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    You can live quite richly, earning a good salary, working 9 hours a day, going abroad twice a year.
    And having a pension savings program and additional savings programs.
    This is called developed capitalism.
    And you described the undeveloped oligarchic semi-state capitalism of the Latin American type.
    Which still dominates in Russia.

    Again, liberal tales about "we don't have such capitalism." Capitalism is the same everywhere, its essence is the same. And yes, where does the population live so wonderful as in your post? IN USA? Well, here you can not star, in the 21st century there is full of data. Or does everyone live so sweetly in Germany? Also fairy tales. So sweet lives in northern Europe with a population of 3.5 Eskimos. The middle class has long since died out everywhere. Well, yes, "developed capitalism" is the USA where the socio-economic gap is much larger and more serious than in the "oligarchic" RF. And I recommend reading what oligarchy means.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 26 August 2020 10: 16
    +3
    Quote: Boris55
    The myth that you work the sutra until the evening, without days off and vacations, you will earn a million and you will fry your belly in the Canaries, breaks on the rock of inflation, an invariable tool of capitalism - slaves should have a constant incentive to bring income to the slave owner.


    With these rates, dollars are generally interesting, in fact, more than 10.
    Let's start with the official courses:

    - Banking rate (the one at which banks buy and sell from depositors)

    - Wholesale rate of the Central Bank (according to which the Central Bank works with banks and exporters)

    - Retail rate of the Central Bank (which the Central Bank sets for retail operations)

    - Solidarity rate (the rate of buying a dollar in a bank, taking into account 30% of the "Solidarity Tax" on the purchase of dollars, which the government introduced so that those who have money for dollars are shared with those who do not have money for food)

    - Card rate (aka dollar-Netflix or dollar-Spotify) - the dollar rate at which the bank debits money from your account, taking into account 30% tax (differs from solidarity)

    - Dollar-Soybean (the rate at which soybean exporters transfer their foreign exchange earnings)

    - Dollar-Wheat

    - Dollar-Milk

    - Dollar-Corn

    - Dollar-Cherry

    - Dollar Exchange - buying dollars through bonds

    - Dollar-CCL - buying dollars through bonds with withdrawal to an account in the USA

    - Dollar-Western - the dollar rate, which is set by money transfer services. More or less beats with the exchange rate.



    Now the black market.

    It appeared because officially individuals can buy only 200 USD per month, and legal entities need permits.

    - Blue dollar (Dólar Blue) is the real dollar to Argentine peso, which is assigned by underground exchange houses

    - Dollar-Friend - the rate at which friends and relatives sell dollars to each other

    - Dollar-Facebook (aka de dollar WhatsApp, aka Telegram dollar) - the rate set by sellers and buyers in special groups on social networks

    - A small dollar (aka a dollar with a small head, a dirty dollar) - a special rate in clandestine exchangers for torn, crumpled, soiled dollars, low denomination dollars (less than 50 USD), as well as old series bills (up to 2006).
  • Wolf
    Wolf 26 August 2020 09: 19
    +2
    4 children, rich people, Ingvar, growing up in ice is the main problem, the dollar exchange rate is a trifle.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 26 August 2020 09: 30
      0
      Quote: Wolf
      4 children, rich people, Ingvar, growing up in ice is the main problem, the dollar exchange rate is a trifle.

      Here is a sober, calm thought. The dollar has already dropped to 57 rubles, but here, according to the experience of communication, there is only one step left before the call to go to Bolotnaya - to build barricades.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 42
        +4
        Quote: Terenin
        The dollar has already dropped to 57 rubles.

        75 rubles, Yandex to help. wink
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 26 August 2020 10: 12
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Terenin
          The dollar has already dropped to 57 rubles.

          75 rubles, Yandex to help. wink

          Thanks buddy hi ... Of course.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 10: 14
          +2
          Sometimes I confuse myself sometimes. We are all human, we are all human. request
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 26 August 2020 10: 24
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Sometimes I confuse myself sometimes. We are all human, we are all human. request

          laughing I wanted to say that "everything was brought to the store for 57 rubles" - euros wink

          Someone minuses us from ... joy winked
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 11: 25
          +3
          Quote: Terenin
          Someone minuses us from ... joy

          From envy! laughing
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 36
    +3
    Quote: Wolf
    4 children,

    5, senior 20 years old, works. hi And yes, I am rich, for the true origin of the word is from the word God, and not from the word money.
    1. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 19: 45
      21
      Spiritual wealth is much more important than material wealth. But not everyone understands this ...
  • Consul
    Consul 2 September 2020 19: 35
    19
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But in the richest country in the world, this is not normal

    Not ok, you're right. But the oligarchs think differently.
  • nickname7
    nickname7 26 August 2020 08: 22
    11
    how to live. So that we do not have excruciating pain for the priceless years lived.

    Money, paper and digital money must be transformed into material values ​​- into roads, cities, factories, airplanes and ships. But that doesn't happen. Liberals pursue a policy of stagnation, they do not spend money, they save money, funds wear out. RF is like that kashy, wasting away sitting on a chest of gold.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 26 August 2020 10: 00
      -1
      Quote: nickname7
      RF like that kashy, wasting away sitting on a chest of gold.

      Wastes away on the chest, or someone does not allow their chest to be opened.
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 26 August 2020 10: 43
        0
        From time to time they open the chest (fund) when it is already hot ... But our unique liberalism does not want or does not know how to effectively spend money on industry (especially on the production of means of production) and science. It is easier and simpler for these individuals to distribute part of the money to the population, which partly prevents the growth of discontent in society only for a short time. But at the same time, inflation accelerates, prices rise and, as a result, most people suffer.
        1. Consul
          Consul 2 September 2020 19: 48
          18
          Quote: Elephant
          From time to time they open the chest (fund) when it is already hot ...

          They open, they only send money to support the oligarchs, and not to develop industry.
    2. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 26 August 2020 11: 21
      0
      They even spend a lot, for example, on repairs of the same roads, on capital of facades in the old fund ... walk-through yards, etc. (in St. Petersburg), but this is more and more by and about all sorts of state. institutions ...
      perhaps and I hope that just the primary tasks are being solved ...
    3. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 19: 47
      19
      Quote: nickname7
      money, you need to transform into material values

      It is necessary, but we put everything in a box. I am not saying that this is bad. It's just that not all income should be sent to the box. We need to spend something on updating the industry.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 26 August 2020 09: 25
    11
    Quote: Svetlana
    So that we do not have excruciating pain for the priceless years lived. (c)


    It is embarrassing that an engineer of comparable qualifications in the PRC receives a relatively worthy equivalent of $ 1500-2000, a Russian engineer up to $ 1000 or less.
    Similarly, pilots, qualified employees, and other employees and workers receive 2-3 times less - this has developed over the past 13 years (in 2007 there were comparable salaries with China).

    At the same time, in China, prices for groceries are cheaper, and manufactured goods and air tickets (Hi Polbeda Airlines) and railway tickets for high-speed "red dragon" trains (330 km / h) are cheaper than Russian Railways tickets (90 km / h), and Peregrine Falcon is more expensive than air travel in China.

    Just living in Russia, there is nothing to compare with the wretchedness in which the majority of Russian citizens vegetate.
    I often visit the Russian and Chinese provinces - a comparison of the standard of living is not in favor of the Russians :(
  • Civil
    Civil 26 August 2020 07: 32
    20
    Quote: eleronn
    Meanwhile, so-called independent economic experts say the Russian ruble is better for "short-term" savings. What does this mean? Even in the long term, a “collapse of the dollar” and a “victory of the ruble” are not expected? ..

    The dollar has been in the country since 1992, the ruble has never won in 28 years.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 August 2020 07: 44
      12
      With the "collapse of the dollar" will have to wait again: the ruble falls against the background of rising oil prices

      As Chernomyrdin would say: "This has never happened and now again ..." yes
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 26 August 2020 07: 47
      12
      Quote: Civil
      Quote: eleronn
      Meanwhile, so-called independent economic experts say the Russian ruble is better for "short-term" savings. What does this mean? Even in the long term, a “collapse of the dollar” and a “victory of the ruble” are not expected? ..

      The dollar has been in the country since 1992, the ruble has never won in 28 years.

      And they won’t win .. the system is designed to drain resources, not to win ..
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 26 August 2020 08: 04
        -14 qualifying.
        Quote: Svarog
        And they won’t win .. the system is designed to drain resources, not to win

        what So the ruble has been a loser since the distant Soviet 70s against the dollar, and why then this cry? The dollar exchange rate for August is like a bull ... peeing, jumping from 73 to 74,5 ... so what? Ah, it's all gone! Ah, this is the end! Oh, it's not possible to live like this ...
        You won't wait, my friends !!!!!!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 26 August 2020 08: 47
          +9
          Quote: Serg65

          So the ruble has been a loser since the distant Soviet 70s against the dollar

          In the USSR, people were not at all interested in the dollar exchange rate, and the price of a product was printed on the product and did not change for years.
          The dollar exchange rate for August is like a bull ... peeing, jumping from 73 to 74,5 ... so what?

          And the fact that the ruble has weakened by 25% since the beginning of the year, at the beginning of 2020 the dollar was worth 60 rubles. now 75 rubles .. (rounded off) and everything goes up after the dollar .. Since import substitution again, like all initiatives, has failed ..
          and here about the economy of the USSR ..
          https://topwar.ru/36212-a-byla-li-zavisimost-sssr-ot-eksporta-nefti.html
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 26 August 2020 09: 19
            -8
            Quote: Svarog
            In the USSR, people were not interested in the dollar exchange rate at all

            laughing Well, that's how to say! It was difficult to buy on the Odessa black market and for 4 re!
            Quote: Svarog
            and the price of the product was printed on the product and did not change for years.

            Late seventies speech ...
            Tell Ilyich, we can handle ten! And if there are even more, it will turn out like in Poland!

            Quote: Svarog
            everything goes up in price after the dollar.

            All this is what?
            Quote: Svarog
            import substitution again, like all initiatives, failed

            Come on, I didn't notice it! What is the failure then?
            From the article you quoted ...
            The USSR produced almost everything itself, depended little on external goods, and it is unlikely that a decrease in oil revenues even by half could somehow strongly affect the "collapse" THE USSR.

            A decrease in oil revenues, an Afghan company, an obsolete machine park and a decrease in labor productivity - all this together undermined the already not very healthy Soviet economy!
            Moreover, in those days, the Soviet people were not spoiled by life as a modern inhabitant of Russia and therefore were content with little ... what did the average Soviet citizen dream of? Car, color TV, carpet and Romanian wall !!! Moreover, for all these coveted items, this citizen stood in line at his enterprise or organization. It was very rare on the free market.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 26 August 2020 09: 32
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              Moreover, in those days, the Soviet people were not spoiled by life as a modern resident of Russia and therefore were content with little ... what did the average Soviet citizen dream of?

              Now what is the middle class dreaming of? The middle class, according to the guarantor classification, which gets 17?
              car, color TV, carpet and romanian wall !!!

              Technologies have stepped forward a lot since then .. and the needs have not actually changed, people still want the same now ..
              Moreover, for all these coveted items, this citizen stood in line at his enterprise or organization. It was very rare on the free market.

              Come on, you bought dollars on the black market .. well, or you knew where to buy them, and everyone could get consumer goods at a higher price, of course, but he could .. And at the same time, the people were not in mortgage bondage and insanely credited ..
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 26 August 2020 09: 59
                -10 qualifying.
                Quote: Svarog
                you bought dollars on the black market

                Of course, on black, it was impossible to buy from the state.
                Quote: Svarog
                and everyone could get consumer goods at a higher price, of course

                Well, let's just say, not everyone ... everyone could get a Georgian counterfeit for that consumer goods!
                Quote: Svarog
                at the same time, the people were not in mortgage bondage and insanely credited

                what In my opinion, getting into the bondage of an enterprise hoping to get a coveted luxury item on coupons, while not paying attention to the tricks of the foreman, foreman, shop manager and director ... are very similar to mortgage bondage ... and what is most interesting, everything on a voluntary basis laughing
              2. Irokez
                Irokez 26 August 2020 10: 24
                +2
                Quote: Svarog
                people were not in mortgage bondage and insanely loaned

                Of course not.
                - Apartments were given in turn FREE OF CHARGE (work for several years, but if you are the right specialist, you could give it right away), but it was also possible to build cooperatively.
                - If there was not enough money, then there were mutual aid funds and material assistance at enterprises.
                - It's funny to remember - there were no homeless people.

                all the same people want now.

                Which also?
                A car, TV, furniture and so on in the secondary market for a penny can be bought and all can afford it, but BU. That is, these desires have already been realized and the possibilities are enormous.
                But. There is no limit to dreams and desires - you've heard this. That is, a million has appeared - I want another, and if my neighbor has more TV, then I want no less than his. And also advertising appeared which was completely absent in the USSR, as well as spikulants (parasitic gasket between the manufacturer and the consumer). Together with all this, we have changed our psychology from creative and constructive to parasitic and consumer-oriented, here and the answer to the approach to how to measure and evaluate today's realities of life and we get more dissatisfied now (in the age of clogged counters) than then (in the USSR).
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 26 August 2020 10: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Irokez
                  - It's funny to remember - there were no homeless people.

                  Nice to remember .. and now it's sad to see ..
                  But. There is no limit to dreams and desires - you've heard this. That is, a million has appeared - I want another, and if my neighbor has more TV, then I want no less than his. And also advertising appeared which was completely absent in the USSR, as well as spikulants (parasitic gasket between the manufacturer and the consumer). Together with all this, our psychology was changed from creative and constructive to parasitic and consumer

                  Undoubtedly.
                  and the answer to the approach how to measure and evaluate today's realities of life and we get more dissatisfied now (in the age of clogged counters) than then (in the USSR).

                  Confidence in the future, justice .. pride in the country .. this is the yardstick to be guided by. The fact that the counters are full, but there is no money to buy it does not get better.
                  1. Irokez
                    Irokez 26 August 2020 10: 55
                    -1
                    Confidence in the future, justice .. pride in the country .. this is the yardstick to be guided by.

                    Here I completely agree.
                    The fact that the counters are full, but there is no money to buy it does not get better.

                    If a person does not have self-control and self-restraint, then he will always be poor and dissatisfied. In many ways, the problem is not in money and clogged counters, but in the head.
                    Svarog Well, whatever one may say, one can feel in you an obsession with the past (USSR). Well, understand that the past cannot be returned in the form it was and it is necessary to build something different in new conditions and realities. As it was before, this will not be 100% and maybe it’s good when everything bad from there will decrease, and good will increase. But everyone will not be pleased, and all the time there will be dissatisfied critics and revolutionaries.
                    You say a lot correctly, but everyone knows what is happening and how, and you don’t voice the suggestion of how to do it, that is, it’s criticism and nothing else — criticism. And even then the criticism is based on the past which in the majority will no longer be in the future. Times change and this is an inevitable process of the universe.
                    It's like a stupid question sometimes heard: - "When will we live well?" - well, you guys, the answer is simple - "never" because life is moving forward and the situation and the situation are changing all the time, which creates inconveniences and troubles that have to be solved all the time, and this does not suit everyone and makes them dissatisfied. Pure philosophy, but it provides answers and understanding of life. Philosophize.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 26 August 2020 11: 10
                      +4
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Well, understand that the past cannot be returned as it was

                      Everything repeats itself, including history. In the same form and do not need to be returned, you need to return taking into account the mistakes of the past.
                      Quote: Irokez
                      You speak a lot correctly, but everyone knows what is happening and how, and you don’t voice the suggestion how to do it,

                      I am voicing it, but it makes no sense to write a whole manifesto and an action plan .. Nothing will change from the fact that I will propose something to VO. Although offers often come from me. Changes will begin when the bulk of the people begins to open their eyes .. which actually is already happening. That is why it is important to criticize, and not be silent and sing praises about "breakthroughs"
                      Pure philosophy, but it provides answers and understanding of life.

                      That's right, philosophy is at the heart of everything. And you need to reason, and not stupidly eat what they offer on zombie TV.
                      And to argue not only in the format "my house is on the edge", but in the format of society as a whole. According to the fact that the development or degradation of the country will depend on society. When you see homeless people in front of the window, then somehow you start to think that this fate can befall anyone, even if the person does not drink .. In front of my windows, a clearing, next to the road, there are bushes and homeless people always live in them in summer. Normal people, not with drunken faces .. among them women .. This situation is not normal, this should not be. But in the paradigm proposed by the state, there will only be more such people. And this is happening in the richest country.
                    2. Irokez
                      Irokez 26 August 2020 12: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: Svarog
                      That is why it is important to criticize, and not be silent and sing praises about "breakthroughs"

                      I think it is not the right approach (even philosophically).
                      The carrot and the stick should work together, not separate from each other. The carrot was from Yanukovych, and the whip was from Lukashenka, although not fully.
                      To criticize without offering is suppression and inhibition without the ability to see a way out of the current situation. Accordingly, showing achievements and ways of solving problems - this sets up optimism (fiery feeling), confidence (a sense of realization and correctness) and a way to solve the problem.
                      A person's psychological mood should be positive and motivated, because without this, despondency and hopelessness appear, respectively, inactivity and abandonment of doing something and getting out of difficulties.
                      First of all, the struggle for the minds of people and their psychological state. Defeated in the head - defeated the enemy by people standing on your side and motivated to succeed, otherwise surrender or inaction, or even counteraction to yourself.
                      Therefore, be careful with thoughtless and rabid criticism, because it is destructive and uninitiated. You criticize - offer, you suggest - do, but to hope that someone will do for you is passivity and ineffectiveness. If you want to do well, do it yourself.
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 08: 42
      -3
      And they will not win .. the system is designed to pump out resources, not to win.
      Do you think Russia will not be able to lower the dollar ?! Recently, rumors about denomination have been circulating. Kind of heresy. The meaning of denominating? On the other hand? Is there HPP !? What will happen with the denomination? Cut off three zeros (let's say). How does this compare with the dollar exchange rate? Let's say the exchange rate today, 1 dollar is equal to 70 rubles. What will happen with the denomination? One hundred bucks can be bought for seven rubles !? Well, how is such a HPP ?! bully
  • Campanella
    Campanella 26 August 2020 09: 49
    -1
    How to defeat the owner? At the behest of Yeltsin's utyrka, we have been working tirelessly for him for 30 years.
  • Consul
    Consul 2 September 2020 19: 51
    20
    Quote: Civil
    The dollar has been in the country since 1992, the ruble has never won in 28 years.

    I think it won't win already. With such an economic model as ours, the dependence of our economy and industry on the West, this is simply not possible.
  • svp67
    svp67 26 August 2020 07: 32
    -8
    Quote: eleronn
    But you can't live like that anymore!

    Do you know the way to the cemetery?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 August 2020 07: 38
      +1
      You always want to live better !!! It always seems that somewhere out there it is better ... not for everyone, but many have this illusion.
      And as always, everything is complicated / simple, but without difficulty, nothing happens anywhere.
      It won't happen on its own.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 26 August 2020 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        It always seems that somewhere out there it is better ... not for everyone, but many have this illusion.

        Well, in general, yes. This is not an illusion or delusion, but not a true and not objective comparison.
        Living in one place, a person sees both the pros and cons (all together in plain sight). Arriving in another place, a person expects to see something better than he had and not notice (sometimes stubbornly) all the bad things that are in the new place.
        That is, there is no complete picture of another place and it (this other place) seems better. Well, as if a person always strives for the best and thinks that elsewhere (which is not fully known) will definitely be better.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 August 2020 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: Irokez
          That is, there is no complete picture of another place

          This is more typical for tourists ... I prefer to show them only the pleasant side of being where they are resting and having fun. This is a standard situation.
          But you get it in full when you are no longer a tourist, not a guest, but a direct participant in everything at once ... the picture, as a rule, changes a lot.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 26 August 2020 11: 01
            +3
            Well yes. I completely agree.
            Tourists have pink glasses, and without glasses, the realities of a foreign world where you have to spin and work hard.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 26 August 2020 11: 07
              +1
              Quote: Irokez
              spin and work hard.

              At the same time, no one is in a hurry to recognize you as their own ... with the attendant consequences!
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 26 August 2020 07: 39
      14
      Do you know the way to the cemetery?

      It's expensive to rest in the cemetery these days.
      1. Consul
        Consul 2 September 2020 20: 13
        19
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Do you know the way to the cemetery?

        It's expensive to rest in the cemetery these days.

        And it's too early to go to the cemetery somehow bully
  • Serg65
    Serg65 26 August 2020 07: 52
    -15 qualifying.
    Quote: eleronn
    But you can't live like that anymore!

    When is the funeral?
    1. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 26 August 2020 08: 14
      +9
      One morning, the mother-in-law said to her son-in-law:
      - Well, that's what, dear son-in-law! Do what you want, get out as you want, but I must be buried in the Kremlin wall.
      The son-in-law pondered and silently left for work. Returning in the evening, he declared:
      - Mum! I'm ready for anything for you! In general, do what you want, get out as you want, but the funeral is tomorrow at noon.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 August 2020 08: 10
    -14 qualifying.
    Quote: eleronn
    With the "collapse of the dollar" will have to wait again: the ruble falls against the background of rising oil prices

    I went to Ukraine, there is freedom and economy.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 26 August 2020 08: 43
    -2
    I take it as a cruel joke.
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 26 August 2020 09: 45
    -1
    Quote: eleronn
    In general, everything is fine in the country. But you can't live like that anymore!

    Sorry. What are you comparing with?
  • halpat
    halpat 26 August 2020 11: 15
    +4
    The ruble is being dropped by the Russian authorities themselves.
    I will explain why, in my opinion:
    1. The decline in production and the economy as a whole - a decrease in tax revenues.
    2. Large "compensation" payments to the population, subjects of small and medium-sized enterprises.

    The budget became scarce. The deficit must be covered somehow.

    You can print money stupidly, as the US and the EU did.
    But a wooden one will not save it, it will simply accelerate inflation and thus goodbye to the low key rate and everything that follows it (attractive mortgages, for example).

    So it is necessary to "softly" "devalue the ruble in order to somehow maintain a balance.
    This “soft devaluation” since the beginning of the year is already about 30%.
    How does the government manage to report inflation at 4% ...
    This is a great mystery to me wassat
    Is the share of domestically produced products so much higher than imports? You go into a store or a salon - and you will not find confirmation of this. Maybe only food has become mainly Russian. And the rest is by no means ...
  • MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT 26 August 2020 11: 17
    +3
    just the government withdraws the money generously given to children before zeroing, gasoline and the course are the most effective tools for this
    1. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 20: 16
      19
      Quote: MY THOUGHT
      the government withdraws generously donated money

      This has been the case for the last 30 years and will be so in the near future. The authorities have never given money away for nothing.
  • w70
    w70 26 August 2020 21: 22
    0
    Can we arrange a Maidan?
    1. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 20: 17
      20
      Quote: w70
      Can we arrange a Maidan?

      That Kiev is not overrun or nostalgia for the Kiev events of February 2014?
  • Consul
    Consul 2 September 2020 19: 33
    20
    Quote: eleronn
    In general, everything is fine in the country.

    Of course good. The oligarchs are getting richer and richer. The middle class starts from an income of 17000 rubles, but it is quite difficult to live on them. Gasoline rises in price, everything rises in price. And so nothing, everything is fine wink
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 August 2020 07: 33
    17
    The lack of a balanced program for the development of the state's economy, for curbing corruption, for combating poverty, and not with the poor, impoverished population, as is now the case throughout the country, is the result of what we have ! And we have total corruption and speculation, to which the Kremlin simply turns a blind eye!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 August 2020 07: 41
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      to which the Kremlin simply turns a blind eye!

      Well, he will open his eyes and what ???
      All these vices are products of the entire system of relations between society and the state. This is a fundamental, systemic question and by changing at least some figures, little can be achieved.
    2. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 26 August 2020 08: 18
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      to fight the poverty of the population, and not with the poor, impoverished population, as is now the case throughout the country

      I agree! Petya Valtsman came to power after a coup d'etat in the wake of the fight against the total corruption of Yanukovych. So what? He just took it and headed it, increasing his capital 9 (!!!) times.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 08: 46
        +7
        Petya Valtsman came to power after a coup d'etat in the wake of the fight against the total corruption of Yanukovych. So what? He just took it and headed it, increasing his capital 9 (!!!) times.

        Do you want to say that under Putin his (Putin's) friends have reduced their capital? belay Or is Putin not fighting corruption? repeat what sad
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 26 August 2020 09: 59
          -1
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          under Putin his (Putin's) friends

          It was about the then-president of the Outskirts, Waltsman, who, by definition, was prohibited from doing business. I don’t know about Putin’s friends, but Waltzman’s friends (including American ones) clearly did not become impoverished.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 26 August 2020 09: 01
        +1
        .
        Quote: Adam Khomich
        Quote: Thrifty
        to fight the poverty of the population, and not with the poor, impoverished population, as is now the case throughout the country

        I agree! Petya Valtsman came to power after a coup d'etat in the wake of the fight against the total corruption of Yanukovych. So what? He just took it and headed it, increasing his capital 9 (!!!) times.

        According to Forbes, by the end of his presidency, he became poorer than when he came to power.
    3. ximkim
      ximkim 26 August 2020 08: 39
      -1
      There are programs in two folders: the blue folder contains the program for raising the country, the red folder contains cutting funds and pumping out money. Therefore, it is not difficult to guess which folder is on the table of the "casket twins".
    4. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 26 August 2020 08: 40
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      The lack of a balanced program for the development of the state's economy, for curbing corruption, for combating poverty, and not with the poor, impoverished population, as is now the case throughout the country, is the result of what we have ! And we have total corruption and speculation, to which the Kremlin simply turns a blind eye!

      Yes Yes. And in addition, Putin trashed Lyokha, now the ruble will roll. smile
      And what is "speculation"? Is it when the gebnya with lances is chasing the berasts? tongue
    5. NordUral
      NordUral 26 August 2020 08: 44
      0
      The absence of any balanced program for the development of the state's economy in power,

      These have completely different tasks. And they are being fulfilled.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 19
        +3
        Quote: NordUral
        completely different tasks. And they are being fulfilled.

        I'm afraid you're right. If we assume precisely this goal of "our" government, then all their actions acquire logic and meaning. hi
    6. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 20: 19
      19
      Quote: Thrifty
      we have total corruption and speculation

      good
      In other words, we have an ordinary flea market yes
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 26 August 2020 07: 34
    +5


    The dollar crash will have to wait again

    The adherents of the theory of the "imminent collapse of the dollar" took a break in such a situation.

    With the "collapse" of the American currency, you will have to wait again ...

    Even in the long term, a “collapse of the dollar” and a “victory of the ruble” are not expected? ..


    - and all this splendor of economic thought in some 5 paragraphs of the text)))
    I, apparently, missed something and someone promised to ruble a dollar place on the night from Wednesday to Thursday?
    I would understand if the author made such global conclusions over a longer period of time (the result would be the same, but much more proven), and then on the basis of quotes in 1 day. Bravo!
    I would understand if the author was talking about the real exchange rate of the ruble and the policy of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank to determine this rate, asking why the budget in the revenue part is filled not by the development of production, investments, but only by speculative growth of the exchange rate and new taxes and quasi-tax payments.
    And then there was just some kind of hysteria, as if the day before yesterday someone promised the author that he would wake up in the new world financial system with the ruble at its head, and then he woke up and realized that it was a dream ...
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 08: 50
      0
      What's in your comment? What are the reasons for the strengthening of the ruble? Does it just have to get stronger? By Putin's decree? Maybe we need to develop the economy to strengthen it? Or does a developed economy not affect the exchange rate? Well, really, in connection with what can the ruble strengthen? When will they give 70 bucks for one ruble?
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 26 August 2020 09: 12
        +1
        1. here is for the supporters of the USSR to write that ..
        Does it just have to get stronger? By Putin's decree?

        not worth it, or in the USSR the dollar rate was not fixed declaratively? But this is so, not essential ...
        2.I'm writing about the ruble ...
        Quote: RUnnm
        (the result would be the same, but much more proven)

        but in the article, then through a line of sobbing about the fact that the dollar system is not destroyed. Or I wrote somewhere that it is the ruble that will bring the system to this: It seems not. The question is not in the courses. For there are currencies that are more stable than the dollar, the same euro is now behaving much more stable, but no one is screaming that tomorrow the euro will bring down the US economy.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 10: 35
          -1
          For there are currencies that are more stable than the dollar,
          But why are they more stable than the dollar? From the decree of the ruler or from the development of the economy? Has the dollar become the world's currency for no reason? Why, then, does the ruble not become a currency for no reason at all? What affects the weight and stability of a currency?
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 26 August 2020 10: 38
            +1
            It is the currency. As well as any other money of the acting states. Now the instability and dependence of the economy on external factors is the most influencing factor, plus the desire to fill their pockets more in those sitting in the grain places.
  • svp67
    svp67 26 August 2020 07: 34
    +4
    All these games with a course, just an attempt to fill the budget "out of thin air", but no matter how our financiers play too ... everything has a limit
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 August 2020 07: 42
      +1
      Unfortunately, efficiently, productively, they do not know how to work ... will be played!
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 08: 53
        +1
        Unfortunately, efficient, productive, they do not know how to work
        And here is a controversial question! If they work ineffectively, why don't they stand on the porch ?! Where do they get their money if they are ineffective? winked Are there any versions?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 August 2020 09: 36
          0
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Are there any versions?

          Yes, yes, you do not know anything about the country under which you mow ...
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 10: 30
            -1
            Do you think I live in the United States of Armenia or in the Federal Republic of Georgia? laughing
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 26 August 2020 10: 41
              0
              You can live ANYWHERE and not understand anything about the country in which you live ... nothing new, unusual in that.
              Then, it is possible that you just play a simpleton asking tricky questions ... also not uncommon.
              You have selected the WRONG property .....
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 07: 46
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      out of thin air

      From our pockets with you, Sergey.
    3. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 26 August 2020 08: 23
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      All these games with a course

      This is the foundation of the US economy. Stock speculators can bring down any state in a day. Remember how in 1992 George Soros brought the Bank of England to its knees and in the process appropriated more than a billion dollars. He made a fortune in a smart, well-thought-out deal against the British currency and destroyed the British monetary system in one day.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 August 2020 09: 41
        0
        Quote: adam khomich
        This is the foundation of the US economy. Stock speculators can bring down any state in a day

        Do not tell my slippers ... they can bring down a state with an economy of financial bubbles.
        For a state with a REAL economy, with serious leadership, they can bring temporary difficulties in limited amounts.
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 26 August 2020 09: 48
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          can bring down a state with an economy of financial bubbles.

          Soros dropped Britain in 1992! Is Britain a Bubble State?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 August 2020 10: 06
            0
            They had enough bubbles ... the system is like that. Bubbles collapsed, sales to the real economy got, because one was tied to the other ... but real production / economy has the ability to recover, which it demonstrated, in contrast to the "bubbles".
            1. Adam Khomich
              Adam Khomich 26 August 2020 10: 36
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              the system is

              Any system is a way of state activity.
              And it must be protected from speculators like Soros.
              When American bubbles burst in 1998, the whole world did not do well, except for the United States, which turned on the Fed's printing press, flooded the world with cut paper and voila.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 August 2020 11: 02
                0
                Quote: adam khomich
                Any system is a way of state activity.

                And yet, abroad, the state is presented as a guarantor, organizer, observer, and not a direct participant in business processes ... a free market, however, free business. In fact, this is not entirely true, and in some places it is not at all, but somehow they don’t like to show it to everyone and everywhere, they don’t want to undermine the fundamentals, ts!
                Quote: adam khomich
                And it must be protected from speculators like Soros.

                Theoretically, but again, this is a "free" world, business, market! You yourself get into an "ambush", you yourself and get out ... although this is also a declaration, in fact everything is very different.
                Quote: adam khomich
                the whole world was not good at it, except for the United States, which turned on the Fed's printing press, flooded the world with cut paper and voila.

                This is true, partially ... they ripped off everyone around, saving their own, but not all, very, very own!
                every little thing, citizens have suffered without count!
                Nothing new, unexpected. It has always been this way!
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 26 August 2020 08: 45
      0
      but no matter how hard our financiers play ...

      Our?
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 07: 37
    -2
    In short, the Central Bank absolutely "does not hold" its native currency ... why? Apparently, he does not have such a task. That does not hold.
    For most of the population, it is purple. It has not seen dollars for a long time, many have forgotten how they look.
    Quote: eleronn
    In general, everything is fine in the country. But you can't live like this anymore

    Have a spare country? We have no other. Let's go out into the streets and smash everything in half. When we wake up from the intoxication, we will start looking for where to earn dollars ... swam, we know ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 07: 47
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      For most of the population, it is purple.

      Not purple at all. Too much dependent on imports.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 08: 03
        -7
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Not purple at all. Too dependent on imports

        Where is addicted? Specifically? You go to the store, and ... when they stood behind Bush's legs, then yes. Then the prices in stores were written in cu. for all!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 08: 16
          +7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Where is addicted? Specifically? You go to the store, and ...

          What, And? If there is something of ours, it is produced on imported equipment, imported tractors, seeds, a lot of people drive imported cars that ask for imported spare parts. And the enterprises are owned by foreigners to whom our ruble did not resist.
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          when they stood behind Bush's legs, then yes. Then the prices in stores were written in cu. for all!

          Someone's I have not seen in the shops prices in ye. Absolutely.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 09: 00
            0
            Someone's I have not seen in the shops prices in ye
            Well no. It was so. They wrote prices in USD. Kirkorov even has a song. and was very popular. Well, maybe someone will post it. Today everything seems to be in rubles, but still they count in dollars! Although it is believed that trade is in rubles. Available in rubles. But at the dollar rate.
          2. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 01
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Someone's I have not seen in the shops prices in ye. At all

            Didn't you write? And where is it with you?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 09: 07
              0
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Didn't you write? And where is it with you?

              We did not write in stores in ye. Only in newspaper ads.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 08: 26
          +8
          Quote: Mountain Shooter

          Where is addicted?

          Anywhere you look. By the way, when people stood in line for Bush's legs, the share of domestic goods was incomparably higher than it is now. Machine tools, construction machinery, automotive, electronic components, textiles - all imports. Food security, so often referred to as an achievement, is very much dependent on the imported component, seed, breeding material, medicines, feed, fertilizers.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 08
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            ... Food security, so often referred to as an achievement, is very much dependent on the imported component, seed, breeding material, medicines, feed, fertilizers

            Since you truly believe in what you write, I assume that you are not living here. Where do you get this picture? Of course, both the breeding material and the seed fund were primarily used ... And now all these scales are also on purchased seeds? Is everything imported in the industry?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 25
              +3
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Is everything imported in the industry?

              Open the site "All Tools", M-Video, go to any clothing and footwear store. wink
              More than 70% of broiler hatching eggs in Russia are imported. More than two thirds of maize and rapeseeds are imported.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 35
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                More than 70% of broiler hatching eggs in Russia are imported

                Opened. Really. 30% chicken. https://www.agroinvestor.ru/companies/article/22826-/
                Only the gap is rapidly closing. The state is natural, with such a rapid growth in production. Well, open sources. One has only to ask ... And since you are not asking, it means that you are replicating the deception purposefully. What for? Is it a rhetorical question?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 09: 51
                  +5
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  ... 30% chicken.

                  You have absolutely no information, but you already accuse of lying. I go to the poultry factories every spring and buy chickens. 30% can only be in the laying hens sector.
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 54
                    -4
                    Quote: Ingvar 72

                    You have absolutely no information, but you already accuse of lying. I go to the poultry factories every spring and buy chickens. 30% can only be in the laying hens sector

                    I take information from open sources. I gave the link. You haven't read it. Have you visited all factories in Russia? Or not? Did you get into the procurement accounting documents there? Or "from the words of the workers"? Kindergarten...
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 10: 04
                      +5
                      Quote: Mountain Shooter
                      Kindergarten...

                      The kindergarten should be considered the ultimate truth of the opinion of the "independent" expert Andrei Frolov. You have found what suits you. No more.
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 10: 12
                      +5
                      Link to the statement of the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation from 2017, where Tkachev claims about 80-90% of imported eggs. And this is an official, not a random expedition. wink
                      https://agrobook.ru/news/38129/pticevodstvo-rossii-na-90-zavisit-ot-importnogo-plemennogo-materiala
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 08: 08
      10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Most of the population is purple

      Did you understand what you said? Is it "violet" for all of you that they can buy less for the same thousand rubles today than yesterday? belay
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 04
        -5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        can buy less than yesterday

        And this is inflation. Which was significantly reduced. Equal sign will not work.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 09: 19
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And this is inflation. Which was significantly reduced. Equal sign will not work.

          And there, below, is a good video about inflation.
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          A decrease in the purchasing power of the ruble over 13 years by 257%.

          At Rosstatovskaya 160%.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 24
            -1
            Here is also a good video.
            http://fincan.ru/articles/49_srednyaja-zarplata-v-rossii-po-godam/
            Something like this.
            By the way, over the past couple of months the dollar has fallen by 10 percent against the euro. Is that nothing?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 09: 40
              +1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Here is also a good video.
              http://fincan.ru/articles/49_srednyaja-zarplata-v-rossii-po-godam/

              This is not a video, but the same stupid Rosstat graph, as in calculating inflation.
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              over the past couple of months, the dollar has dropped against the euro by 10 percent. Is that nothing?

              By 5% since the beginning of the year, specially calculated. It's even worse than nothing.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 09: 46
                -1
                Quote: Mordvin 3

                This is not a video, but the same stupid Rosstat graph, as in calculating inflation

                And not stupid, whose is it?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 10: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  And not stupid, whose is it?

                  And you give me an alignment on how Rosstat thinks there, then I'll tell you. And then somehow I looked at the minimum consumer basket. It turns out that our pensioner is entitled to as many as 1,9 pairs of socks for 4 years. I mean, about one pair for six months. Take a walk, flaw! wassat
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 10: 36
                -1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                By 5% since the beginning of the year, specially calculated. It's even worse than nothing.

                How to divide 1.18 by 1.08 (the ratio of the dollar to the euro) and get 5% ??? A minimum of 9.25%, but these are not extreme values ​​either. But not the point. Why, when the ruble against the dollar by 10% is a disaster, and the dollar against the euro is a trifle? The internal price system is important.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 26 August 2020 10: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  Why, when the ruble against the dollar by 10% is a disaster, and the dollar against the euro is a trifle?

                  Not a trifle. For us it turns out to be a catastrophe and a half, probably. Well, they go to hell, interest with mathematics, my head is bad today.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 August 2020 07: 40
    +7
    It's not about who has more. I mean the dollar or the ruble. But the situation in Russia is far from ideal, homeless people, beggars. The pandemic games have led to the fact that many are torn apart ...
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 26 August 2020 09: 01
      +1
      many are torn apart ...
      Well, they went for it in Moscow in the 90s! Everything according to Chubais. They didn't fit into the market!
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 26 August 2020 11: 58
        +2
        According to Gaidar, he burns in hell ... If my memory serves me, he was the author of the words about “those who did not fit into the market”.
        1. Consul
          Consul 2 September 2020 20: 25
          21
          For her "shock therapy" Yegorka Gaidar undoubtedly burns in hell.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 26 August 2020 07: 44
    +1
    And why should the ruble strengthen if, instead of using gold reserves (it was created for this?), They turned on the printing press?
  • Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 26 August 2020 07: 47
    +5
    The best "long-term investment" is investing in the future of your children; short-term - to buy dollars and euros, although this is "not patriotic." I've heard tales of the dollar collapse since the mid-2000s, but it's only growing. Along the way, the collapse of the dollar will only happen with the collapse of the world, but then no one will be interested in money.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 26 August 2020 09: 15
      -3
      Investing in children is a bogeyman too! And everything in it is not so simple.
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 26 August 2020 10: 45
        +3
        Yes. Because a lot in this matter depends on the "investor" himself.
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 26 August 2020 07: 47
    0
    Everything is much simpler, banks have decreased foreign exchange liquidity. Deficiency. So the ruble is falling against this background. And it will fall if the Central Bank does not start pouring in its reserves in a larger volume.
    https://news.ru/economics/u-rossijskih-bankov-zakonchilas-valyuta/
    But Nullified will only be glad. You can now have more rubles from the sale of hydrocarbons.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-qKWZu8Ayc
    1. c2020
      c2020 26 August 2020 07: 58
      +8
      Do you know the way to the cemetery?

      This road has been known throughout Russia for 30 years:
      You need to roll up your sleeves, tighten your belts, show high consciousness, hold the banner of capitalist competition higher, not whine, not lose heart, be economical, rally the ranks around crooks, bandids, crooks, build more churches, and, of course, pray hard every day god ...
    2. Mik1701
      Mik1701 26 August 2020 09: 33
      0
      And perhaps because of the significant debts of the population of the Russian Federation on loans and mortgages ...
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 26 August 2020 07: 49
    0
    The government is preparing the country for a "transfer of power." Remember perestroika. With "cash" only the right people should remain. And the people? "The people are silent" (ASPushkin).
  • Mimino
    Mimino 26 August 2020 07: 58
    +7
    Either the ruble falls against the background of falling oil prices, then against the background of growth. In my opinion, it just falls, and the background has nothing to do with it.
    1. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 20: 27
      19
      Quote: Mimino
      In my opinion, it just falls, and the background has nothing to do with it.

      The background is not to blame, the system is to blame. And reforming this system is useless. We need to build a different economic model.
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  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 26 August 2020 08: 43
    +7
    What happened to the BB ruble?
    - Fell.


    And the result is the devaluation of the ruble.
    A decrease in the purchasing power of the ruble over 13 years by 257%.
  • fif21
    fif21 26 August 2020 08: 52
    +8
    What is there to talk about if the Russian Federation is again buying up US debt !? If in foreign exchange reserves there are pieces of paper with portraits of dead mattress presidents. If we sell our goods to the West for dollars, not rubles. RF is a raw colony of the West, no matter what they tell us. And the saddest thing is that the authorities can change this situation, but they don't want to. hi
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 26 August 2020 09: 12
      +4
      It turns out that the authorities are not telling us something. It seems that the people chose all patriots and capitalism "themselves", but some strange shoals in the economy and finance.
      And most importantly, there is no basis for the development of his own business, although the president is always “for” in words. But in fact, large corporations supported by them hold the entire economy by the throat!
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 26 August 2020 10: 53
        +4
        in fact, large corporations supported by them hold the entire economy by the throat!

        This is very similar to the plot of the children's story "Three Fat Men". There, too, one fat man seized all the iron, the second - all the coal, the third - all the bread ... I read this story as a child and did not think that I would live to see this in our country.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 26 August 2020 12: 30
          0
          In our country, fighters for human rights and freedoms were able to quickly implement many monstrous samples (patterns, as today's political scientists like to say) of Western realities.
          And now it turns out that the problem is in the lack of freedom and human rights.
        2. Consul
          Consul 2 September 2020 20: 35
          21
          Gymnast Tibulus, gunsmith Prospero, Dr. Gaspard ... Poor Three fat men finished ...
    2. Runoway
      Runoway 26 August 2020 10: 17
      +8
      And the saddest thing is that the authorities can change this situation, but they don't want to. hi

      Why should they change something? Since 2014, their labor force on the domestic market has fallen in price by half, instead of $ 1000, and steel by $ 500 each, plus the prices for everything have increased, in total the people have become at least 4 times poorer. Anyone have a crisis but not theirs
      Openly on TV they say that expensive $ "WE'RE PROFITABLE" ©, and especially gifted deputies shrug their shoulders "we have all prices in rubles, what's the difference what rate" ©
      "Our Crimea", and the Russian people in the DPR and LPR whose ????
      You can argue as much as you like, but the obvious actions are worthy, saying "What will not be better", understanding this, you need to rely only on yourself and look for all the ways to survive in our colony
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      2. Consul
        Consul 2 September 2020 20: 37
        19
        Quote: Runoway
        Anyone have a crisis but not theirs

        They cannot have a crisis. They live in their own little world.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 26 August 2020 10: 43
      0
      Quote: fif21
      What is there to talk about if the Russian Federation is again buying up US debt !?

      How much, when? The last time "traders" was minuscule ... did I miss something?
      1. fif21
        fif21 26 August 2020 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        COMMENTS 

        According to the US Treasury Department, Russia in April 2020 increased its investments in US government securities by almost 80% - to $ 6,85 billion. Of this amount, $ 2,84 billion are in short-term securities and $ 4,014 billion in long-term securities.

        In March, Russia, on the contrary, cut these investments threefold, which was the first such significant reduction in investments in US government bonds in recent months. Then the size of US Treasuries in the Russian portfolio was less than $ 3,9 billion. Prior to that, in February-January, Russia increased its investments in this asset after a reduction in December 2019.
    4. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 20: 31
      20
      Quote: fif21
      The Russian Federation is again buying up US debt

      Ours do not believe in our economy, and therefore they invest in debt obligations of other states "partners".
  • Runoway
    Runoway 26 August 2020 09: 05
    +5
    That's how much you can ?????? The rate was 63r / $ at $ 45 oil. Since what is now 75 ?????? How much will "Naepulin" profit from us?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 August 2020 09: 07
    +4
    Who can drop the dollar is China. But the Chinese are interested in just replacing the dollar with a youth and without shocks, and this is a long-term process. We need to deal with the economy, not fortune-telling on coffee grounds!
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 26 August 2020 11: 21
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Our economy needs to be dealt with

      To do this, our rulers need to work - make some effort, think, plan, count, lead, etc. But it is much easier for them to distribute money from funds left and right. And to make life even more fun for ordinary people in the country - to raise taxes, increase the retirement age, etc.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 26 August 2020 09: 08
    +1
    Oh no no no! Where is Nabiullina looking?
    Who doubted that our economy is a clearing for speculative capital and corrupt capital?
    And its main message does not matter where it does not matter how, the main thing is to get what you want.
    Example: they removed the commission for interbank transfers, made a commission for inside bank ...
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 26 August 2020 09: 10
    0
    With the "collapse of the dollar" will have to wait again: the ruble falls against the background of rising oil prices


    But what about the loud reports that we, together with our Chinese brothers, abandoned the dollar and now it is over?

  • Wolf
    Wolf 26 August 2020 10: 15
    -3
    Quotes from Roman:
    Everything is much simpler, banks have decreased foreign exchange liquidity. Deficiency. So the ruble is falling against this background. And it will fall if the Central Bank does not start pouring in its reserves in a larger volume.


    It's not so easy Roma.
    Inflation existed in the times of the USSR, it was the same as the prices in face value were the same. This is called: Perversion of inflation, it is issued as no goods on store shelves.
    Inflation WILL NOT DEPEND ON ONE FORM OF OWNERSHIP (CAPITALISM, SOCIALISM, ROBOTHING)
    The exchange rate of a currency to another currency WILL NOT WILL GIVE THE SAVINGS WEAK OR STRONG.
    INFLATION AND VALUTE RATE DEPEND ONLY ON ONE FUNCTIONAL SYSTEM OF THE STATE!
    For example, during the war, some states had a currency exchange rate of about four hundred meters and inflation was almost the same as that the country was destroyed by the war.
    To learn about currency games, you can start from the 13th century and the Venetian economy and King Milutin, when the Venetian traders pronounced Milutin as the devil himself, and the famous writer Dante was tasked with putting the ego in Hell in the Divine Comedy.
    According to this thread, one socialist state has never had strong MACROECONOMIC FACULTIES, AND NOT SINGLE CATHEDRAL OF FINANCIAL SYSTEMS OF THE STATE AND THE WORLD, except that they did not have any good faculties on the microeconomics of the state. (enterprise growth and development and life cycle).
    The question is why the science of macroeconomic financial systems of the state and the world stands in place, even in the free powers of Russia, China? , it is clear that it is not in the Western slave powers.
    Macroeconomically, the financial systems, the rulers of myr, are considered secret knowledge and what would they be able to manipulate global finances GOD DON'T GOD GIVE THAT NEW KING MILUTIN APPEARS where the ego will be placed, and Milutin took a place in hell? smile
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 26 August 2020 10: 32
      -5
      AND DO NOT SHOULD BE DUMMY ON PUTIN. HE IS SOLD OUT IN THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS SKOLKO AND MY GRANDMA IS RESTED. This is a question to the SCIENCE and knowledge of the ludi that rule the FINANCE POWER !!! wink
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 26 August 2020 10: 45
        -2
        AND SYABRI evenings on 25. August 1530. THE GREAT STATE OF ALL SLAVS IVAN IV VASILIEVICH was born themselves. THIS IS 490 ANNIVERSARY OF BIRTH, AND HERE A STREAM OF 1 WORD !!!
  • dgonni
    dgonni 26 August 2020 10: 33
    0
    General experts are such experts. No, to be honest, despite the increase in oil prices, the flow of foreign exchange to the country decreased by 30%, since this is exactly how much the export of oil and gas fell.
    And by the end of the year, there are no prospects for recovery. Especially considering the position of Turkey and Bulgaria on gas. Well, the statements in the Bundestag of the Greens for the fact that the SP-2 is not needed if they hound all sorts of Navalnyat into the same piggy bank.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 26 August 2020 10: 51
      -3
      Catch up with none of this is the reason for the change in the ruble exchange rate! wink
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 26 August 2020 10: 37
    -1
    the ruble is a cesspool and the people are not taken away by those who do it!
  • Lew
    Lew 26 August 2020 15: 43
    +3
    only by removing the leadership of the Central Bank in the Magadan region with a premium period of residence of 25 years, and abandoning the general enslaving rules of some fake trades, we will probably be able to get out of the economic downturn.
    1. Consul
      Consul 2 September 2020 20: 40
      20
      Quote: Lew
      only by removing the leadership of the Central Bank

      Who will remove it, if they themselves put this guide.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 26 August 2020 15: 44
    -1
    And for those who minus my comments and for the rest to teach: WHILE TRADING BALANCE IN + NO REAL REASON TO CHANGE THE CURRENCY EXCHANGE RATE! WHILE THE TRADE BALANCE OF THE STATE IS IN +, THE CHANGE OF THE EXCHANGE RATE IS A CONSEQUENCE OF SPECULATION, AND IN THE CENTRAL BANK EST ALL THE INSTRUMENTS TO SUPPRESS SPECULATORS LIKE COCKROACHES !!! wink
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 26 August 2020 15: 59
      -1
      I have not dealt with the US trade balance in the last 5 years, but if it is in -, the real $ should fall. (demand - supply is the basic law of price formation), if he does not follow the basic economic law, this is also a consequence of speculations and speculators. The fact that the world currency has established the consequence of deceiving the world and that they can speculate on the strength of world trade in goods! Just deceivers, the weight of the world turns around like rams! For this it normally sits in a colony with the withdrawal of capital completely accumulated for centuries. smile
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 26 August 2020 16: 09
        -1
        You can still say a lot, but I quote one ode to the old Rothschilds:
        If I control the finances of the state, I don't care who is in power, I am the master!
        He was proud and could not bear to tell himself the truth. But est and Milutini !!! smile laughing laughing