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USC intends to create its own floating cosmodrome

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USC intends to create its own floating cosmodrome

The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) intends to create its own floating cosmodrome, which will be more efficient than the Sea Launch. As the general director of the USC Alexei Rakhmanov said in an interview with TASS, the possibility of creating such a cosmodrome is already being considered.


Answering the question whether USC is planning to develop its own cosmodrome instead of Sea Launch, Rakhmanov explained that there are such plans, and today's technologies make it possible to create a floating cosmodrome much more efficiently than Sea Launch, created back in the 90s of the last century.

We have some thoughts on this. There is a set of technological solutions that make it possible to make such a complex more efficient than it was 25-30 years ago. And we would like to return to this market, because we understand that this kind of superstructure will be in great demand.

- he explained.

The Sea Launch floating spaceport consists of the Odyssey floating launch platform and the command vessel. The international company Sea Launch was founded in 1995 with the participation of the Russian RSC Energia, the American Boeing company, the Norwegian Kvyarner, as well as the Ukrainian enterprises Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash, which produced the Zenit-rocket for the cosmodrome. 3SL ", the only one adapted for launch from a sea launch site. A total of 36 launches were made, of which 33 were successful.

In 2014, the last missile was launched, as Russia stopped supplying components for rocket production, including RD-171 rocket engines, to Ukraine.

At present, Sea Launch is located in the Russian Far East, the project has been frozen "until better times."
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 23 August 2020 10: 03 New
    +2
    One could immediately understand that S7 was buying Sea Launch in the interests of third parties. Too much cost levels are incomparable. And building something else is also expensive in terms of money and time (this is perhaps a very significant factor), they will simply repair the old site, provide new equipment and that's it. And S7 would be kind of happy to sell this object due to the economic downturn
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 August 2020 10: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      One could immediately understand that S7 was buying Sea Launch in the interests of third parties.

      Actually, S-7 organized a whole space department at home ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 August 2020 11: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Actually, S-7 organized a whole space department at home ...

        Whatever he has organized S-7, the level of costs for space launches is disproportionate.
        You either have a customer and you are trying to develop your business, or from scratch, but then there are no options at all! Look at the Americans, where private campaigns are engaged in space launches, NASA is involved everywhere, or the Pentagon with DARPA
        1. Temples
          Temples 23 August 2020 12: 15 New
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          USC do not want to start with delivering the ships to the customer on time?

          And we would like to return to this market


          USC was in the space launch market ???

          we understand that this kind of superstructure will be in great demand


          In the spring, strawberries are in demand. Good money can be raised by Mr. Rakhmanov. Tie up with shipbuilding.
          Everything that is possible you have advanced.

          Instead of a cosmodrome, I would have built a couple of docks.
          And then there is nowhere to repair Kuzya.
  2. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 23 August 2020 10: 05 New
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    Not understood. In what way will the new missile "barge" be more effective than the old one? Is that the issues of ownership are solved ...
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 10: 10 New
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      Quote: Al_lexx
      Not understood. In what way will the new missile "barge" be more effective than the old one? Is that the issues of ownership are solved ...

      The property issue is resolved quickly by printing out the wallet. Moreover, to buy illiquid assets that have no prospects of close use. Creating a new one is also a cost.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 23 August 2020 10: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        The property issue is resolved quickly by printing out the wallet. Moreover, to buy illiquid assets that have no prospects of close use. Creating a new one is also a cost.

        Well, they apparently need these very costs. The budget must be cut somehow. And here, "her mother" COSMOS (!).
        Here, in the 90s. there was a joke about satellite launch. They say they took out a loan. to launch a satellite.
        The bank asks:
        - Well, where is your companion?
        We:
        - Flew away. ))
        It's a joke, but the meaning is the same.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 10: 33 New
          -4
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          The property issue is resolved quickly by printing out the wallet. Moreover, to buy illiquid assets that have no prospects of close use. Creating a new one is also a cost.

          Well, they apparently need these very costs. The budget must be cut somehow. And here, "her mother" COSMOS (!).
          Here, in the 90s. there was a joke about satellite launch. They say they took out a loan. to launch a satellite.
          The bank asks:
          - Well, where is your companion?
          We:
          - Flew away. ))
          It's a joke, but the meaning is the same.

          The fact is that the companies working in the field of Space are state-owned. They don't need to cut the loot. The scope of work is planned for them, and prices are ASSIGNED. Have you already forgotten how the planned distribution economy worked in the USSR?
          I can tell you a little from my own experience. If you want to.
          1. slipped
            slipped 23 August 2020 11: 05 New
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            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            The fact is that the companies working in the field of Space are state-owned.


            There are also private ones. Already many.
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 11: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: slipped
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              The fact is that the companies working in the field of Space are state-owned.


              There are also private ones. Already many.

              I, too, in deep childhood, privately launched rockets with an engine stuffed by hand into a 12-gauge cartridge of black powder. Talking about a "firm" launching something from a Zhiguli trailer is not serious. The pampering of the quickie who dabbled in excess of .... and participates in the "race"? You're kidding. Valuable are the results that EXCEED the previous ones. Follow the GIRD path, starting with kerosene primus ...
              1. slipped
                slipped 23 August 2020 11: 27 New
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                Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                Talking about a "firm" launching something from a Zhiguli trailer is not serious.


                The "firm" does this:



                Did you also do this in childhood? lol
                1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 16: 45 New
                  +5
                  Quote: slipped
                  Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                  Talking about a "firm" launching something from a Zhiguli trailer is not serious.


                  The "firm" does this:



                  Did you also do this in childhood? lol

                  Sure. And he had the first prizes (more than one) at the regional radio exhibition for appliances made in the kitchen on his knee. What shaped me as an electronic equipment designer. And a radio amateur with experience on the air since 1962.
                  Believe me, these gadgets are not expensive. Standard CAD programs, perseverance and half a year of work. I use a pirated Deep Track that outputs files for a cnc machine and with a PCB layout with 1000 holes auto-routing and 4 layers of images. Precision mechanics is the highlight of the program. Supermaterials ..... Engines, compressors, structural calculations ...
                  That you are trying to scare with what is the easiest thing to do.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 23 August 2020 19: 49 New
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                    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    Sure. And he had the first prizes (more than one) at the regional radio exhibition for appliances made in the kitchen on his knee.


                    Oh, and were they launched into space? And they worked there for two years? lol Don't make me laugh already.

                    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                    That you are trying to scare with what is the easiest thing to do.


                    Oh whether. There were already such people, with fingers like a fan, they said that everyone can and even took money for it, a lot ... in the end they fled to America and from there to the city ... laughing The reality turned out to be worse - their stone flower did not come out.

                    And the normal guys from the private space "firm", which in the photo already have their own online store for the sale of satellite platforms of their own design, are here at https://sputnix.ru/ru/. And sales are coming. Launches again this year.
                    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 19: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: slipped
                      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                      Sure. And he had the first prizes (more than one) at the regional radio exhibition for appliances made in the kitchen on his knee.


                      Oh, and were they launched into space? And they worked there for two years? lol Don't make me laugh already.

                      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                      That you are trying to scare with what is the easiest thing to do.


                      Oh whether. There were already such people, with fingers like a fan, they said that everyone can and even took money for it, a lot ... in the end they fled to America and from there to the city ... laughing The reality turned out to be worse - their stone flower did not come out.

                      And the normal guys from the private space "firm", which in the photo already have their own online store for the sale of satellite platforms of their own design, are here at https://sputnix.ru/ru/. And sales are coming. Launches again this year.

                      Drooling is not necessary. Talk about the case. Buy a platform. And talk further, specialist.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 23 August 2020 19: 56 New
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                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Drooling is not necessary. Talk about business.


                        So you read the site, everything is on the case. laughing
          2. pereselenec
            pereselenec 23 August 2020 12: 01 New
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            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            The fact is that the companies working in the field of Space are state-owned. They don't need to cut the loot. They are planning the front of work


            Those. Was it organized by Rogozin to drain the dough for elite real estate in the center of Moscow not at the request of his left heel, but by direct order from above (from Putin or whoever stands over him)?

            1. slipped
              slipped 23 August 2020 13: 12 New
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              Quote: pereselenec
              Those. dumping the dough on elite real estate in the center of Moscow,


              And are you ashamed to lie? lol

              The National Space Center, which will assemble the entire Moscow industrial space cluster, is being created with money from the city of Moscow.

              1. Perseverance
                Perseverance 23 August 2020 15: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: slipped
                And are you ashamed to lie?

                The National Space Center, which will assemble the entire Moscow industrial space cluster, is being created with money from the city of Moscow.

                And Moscow's money is not state money?
                1. slipped
                  slipped 23 August 2020 15: 20 New
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                  Quote: Perseverance
                  And Moscow's money is not state money?


                  This is the money of the Moscow government, which it invests in the development of its city. The National Space Center is an integral part of the industrial high-tech cluster in Moscow. All Moscow space design bureaus will be concentrated there. Is this clear?
                  1. Perseverance
                    Perseverance 23 August 2020 15: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    Quote: Perseverance
                    And Moscow's money is not state money?


                    This is the money of the Moscow government, which it invests in the development of its city. The National Space Center is an integral part of the industrial high-tech cluster in Moscow. All Moscow space design bureaus will be concentrated there. Is this clear?

                    Of course... laughing By building a skyscraper, they are so needed laughing Not to send this money to space programs and workers laughing
                    The Ministry of Finance plans to cut funding for Roskosmos It can be cut by 60 billion rubles for 2021-2023
                    Although the main thing is enough.
                    Federal State Unitary Enterprise Scientific Production Center for Automation and Instrumentation named after Academician N.A. Pilyugin "
                    Mezhiritsky Efim Leonidovich General Director 2 148 801,71 c month.
                    https://www.roscosmos.ru/28911/
                    MOSCOW, August 14 - RIA Novosti. The general director of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin earned 2019 million rubles in 44, almost one and a half times more than last year, follows from the information on income published on the website of the state corporation.

                    and his advisors Andrei Klepach and Dmitry Stupakov - 85 million and 44,4 million, as well as the chairman of the scientific and technical council Yuri Koptev - he has 50,2 million (according to the main work meta - 9,2).
                    Do engineers get the same amount, or at least half? well skyscraper and bosses visible more needed
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 23 August 2020 15: 41 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Perseverance
                      Of course... laughing By building a skyscraper, they are so needed laughing Not to send this money to space programs and workers laughing


                      Moscow is spending money on developing its infrastructure. Money for space programs is allocated within the budget under the federal space program.

                      Quote: Perseverance
                      The Ministry of Finance plans to cut funding for Roskosmos It can be cut by 60 billion rubles for 2021-2023
                      Although the main thing is enough for this.


                      The Ministry of Finance plans to reduce annually and not only for Roscosmos. laughing

                      Quote: Perseverance
                      Do engineers get the same amount, or at least half? well skyscraper and bosses visible more needed


                      Engineers receive their salaries. Leaders of their own. So everywhere in the world, and even in the USSR it was the same.
                      1. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 23 August 2020 15: 48 New
                        +4
                        Quote: slipped
                        Moscow is spending money on developing its infrastructure. Money for space programs is allocated within the budget under the federal space program.

                        and all this money is the state ... And when a skyscraper is more important than space programs, it is wassat
                        Quote: slipped
                        Engineers receive their salaries. Leaders of their own. So everywhere in the world, and even in the USSR it was the same.

                        And for this you need to continue like this
                        Malashina Lyudmila Vasilievna Chief Accountant
                        630 532,77 rub per month
                        Liventsev Vladimir Alekseevich
                        Deputy General Director, Director of the Sosensk Instrument-Making Plant branch 605 rubles per month.
                        And there is money for the new skyscraper, and even for the salary of the chief accountant of 600000 rubles, but it is possible to cut the financing of Roscosmos by 60 billion rubles for 2021-2023.
                        Is there 600.000 rubles a month for an engineer?
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 23 August 2020 19: 41 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance
                        And when a skyscraper is more important than space programs, it is wassat


                        Don't you understand? The construction of the National Space Center and space funding programs do not overlap. But the creation of new space technology WILL depend on this center, as a competence center will be created there.

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Is there 600.000 rubles a month for an engineer?


                        There are those who receive more than a hundred thousand for sure laughing
                      3. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 20: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: slipped
                        But the creation of new space technology WILL depend on this center, as a competence center will be created there.

                        And that's not right. An office with a size of hundreds of thousands of square meters is located in the center of Moscow, and production is in Omsk. To run far to receive slaps for errors in the documentation. Or to live on an endless business trip, when the tests of the carrier elements will be carried out at the factory. On the land of Moscow, where the price of land is ten times more expensive than in London. Not to mention the price in Omsk. You need to shoot for such non-targeted spending of the people's money.
                      4. slipped
                        slipped 23 August 2020 22: 19 New
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                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        And that's not right. An office with a size of hundreds of thousands of square meters is located in the center of Moscow, and production is in Omsk.


                        Production in Moscow and in Omsk and in Samara and in Zheleznogorsk ... But as usual.

                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Go far to get slapped in the face for errors in the documentation.


                        The Internet is there. Documentation has been digitized for a long time.

                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Or to live on an endless business trip, when the tests of the carrier elements will be carried out at the factory.


                        Absolutely not necessary.

                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        You need to shoot for such non-targeted spending of the people's money.


                        Start with yourself. lol
                      5. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Kuzmich Sibiryakov 24 August 2020 00: 08 New
                        +1
                        Quote: slipped
                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        And that's not right. An office with a size of hundreds of thousands of square meters is located in the center of Moscow, and production is in Omsk.


                        Production in Moscow and in Omsk and in Samara and in Zheleznogorsk ... But as usual.

                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Go far to get slapped in the face for errors in the documentation.


                        The Internet is there. Documentation has been digitized for a long time.

                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        Or to live on an endless business trip, when the tests of the carrier elements will be carried out at the factory.


                        Absolutely not necessary.

                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        You need to shoot for such non-targeted spending of the people's money.


                        Start with yourself. lol

                        Well, brother, you definitely never stood in the shop and wondered how to get out of the situation and use what, for good reason, needs to be thrown into the junk and deducted from the salary of the bungler. It's easy to throw away. How to make a product on time? He, the scoundrel, will not be the only one to suffer. Hundreds of people are tied to this piece of iron, sometimes the interests of the country too. The Internet. Serious industries are not tied to the Internet. From the word at all. Not everything can be shown in the workshop in which something went wrong. Not everything can be said out loud, for example, what does the postscript on the drawing mean - "Fulfill the requirements of III888888 (conditionally) Okay. I forgive your stupidity in these matters. And, perhaps, I stop talking. For .....
                      6. slipped
                        slipped 24 August 2020 00: 09 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
                        For.....


                        Lagged behind life in their dimness. You don't know what a research and production cluster is. laughing
        2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 20: 02 New
          0
          Quote: slipped
          Quote: Perseverance
          And Moscow's money is not state money?


          This is the money of the Moscow government, which it invests in the development of its city. The National Space Center is an integral part of the industrial high-tech cluster in Moscow. All Moscow space design bureaus will be concentrated there. Is this clear?

          You first define the concept - WHAT IS MONEY. And then say, stupid. Money is the EQUIVALENT OF LABOR. The government, of course, does not work on material goods. No government has made a single screw or nail. It, as an element of the state, rules over money taken from those who create material wealth, goods. To the extent of the legality of this action. In other words, for everything, so that and whoever spends funds - the city, the state, the village - is all the money of the country's workers. There is no other money.
          1. slipped
            slipped 23 August 2020 20: 04 New
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            Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            stupid thing.


            do you swear from powerlessness? laughing Oh well
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 20: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: slipped
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              stupid thing.


              do you swear from powerlessness? laughing Oh well

              Sure. From the fact that I cannot carve with my own hands for being so ...
            2. slipped
              slipped 23 August 2020 22: 14 New
              -3
              I'll break my arm earlier wink and then I will learn long and tediously laughing
            3. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 23: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: slipped
              I'll break my arm earlier wink and then I will learn long and tediously laughing

              You will learn the concept of money, the properties of money. How they differ from the properties of the goods. - take the exam. Perhaps something will come of you. You will break your hands if you don’t surrender. It will be a good continuation - no head and no hands.
            4. slipped
              slipped 23 August 2020 23: 57 New
              -3
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              You will learn the concept of money, the properties of money.


              "He spoke, wringing his hands, a babble and a troublemaker ... about powerlessness ...." lol Impotence of the mind is your dearest. The KSC will be built regardless of your wishes. The rest is all blah blah blah. laughing
            5. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 24 August 2020 00: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: slipped
              Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              You will learn the concept of money, the properties of money.


              "He spoke, wringing his hands, a babble and a troublemaker ... about powerlessness ...." lol

              Are you talking about Vysotsky or about the loot? Let's finish one conversation. then about the sun.
  • Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 17: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: pereselenec
    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    The fact is that the companies working in the field of Space are state-owned. They don't need to cut the loot. They are planning the front of work


    Those. Was it organized by Rogozin to drain the dough for elite real estate in the center of Moscow not at the request of his left heel, but by direct order from above (from Putin or whoever stands over him)?


    Why did you decide that Putin rules everything? I am convinced that if it were so, then half of the Muscovites would be imprisoned in Norilsk.
    Remember Gazprom's corn in St. Petersburg. What a scandal it was. Why is this happening? Think about it. And, answer the unexpected question - is it possible to steal from yourself.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 23 August 2020 18: 11 New
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    Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    The fact is that the firms working in the field of Space are state

    Ah ... Ie for cutting the budget, during the construction of a new cosmodrome, were the people simply fired and jailed? Well, that's okay. Let's say it's about something else. Still, they did not build a floating one. I am aware of the planned economy. In his youth, almost 12 years in the defense industry, he started with the A.S. Design Bureau. Yakolev. Prices are charged on the account ... Hmm .. Let's just say. you are not entirely right, although you are not entirely wrong. Prices are not set, they are coordinated. And reciprocal kickbacks, things like that ... Just, for a financier (especially a state) it is very profitable to finance new developments, especially in the field of space, where you can just not twist. And if you already started in the economy, then you should know what subcontractors are. I know this very well, since I worked for a construction company (customer) for several years.
    And so, yes, our defense industry (space also refers to it) is almost the most profitable in the world, in terms of the cost of development and final products, which does not negate anything if you really want to, and besides, there is a lot of it (what you want) ...
    You will understand. I am not that I would argue with you. But to cut the budget loot is a whole science. And if the unnamed comrades did not own this science, then in our pragmatic time, few people could be dragged. into high-ranking functionaries and managers. And the times of the USSR, yes. and even then, by the mid-80s, Tsekov's maggots, like the same Yakovlev, had already undermined almost everything, only rot remained.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 19: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      The fact is that the firms working in the field of Space are state

      Ah ... Ie for cutting the budget, during the construction of a new cosmodrome, were the people simply fired and jailed? Well, that's okay. Let's say it's about something else. Still, they did not build a floating one. I am aware of the planned economy. In his youth, almost 12 years in the defense industry, he started with the A.S. Design Bureau. Yakolev. Prices are charged on the account ... Hmm .. Let's just say. you are not entirely right, although you are not entirely wrong. Prices are not set, they are coordinated. And reciprocal kickbacks, things like that ... Just, for a financier (especially a state) it is very profitable to finance new developments, especially in the field of space, where you can just not twist. And if you already started in the economy, then you should know what subcontractors are. I know this very well, since I worked for a construction company (customer) for several years.
      And so, yes, our defense industry (space also refers to it) is almost the most profitable in the world, in terms of the cost of development and final products, which does not negate anything if you really want to, and besides, there is a lot of it (what you want) ...
      You will understand. I am not that I would argue with you. But to cut the budget loot is a whole science. And if the unnamed comrades did not own this science, then in our pragmatic time, few people could be dragged. into high-ranking functionaries and managers. And the times of the USSR, yes. and even then, by the mid-80s, Tsekov's maggots, like the same Yakovlev, had already undermined almost everything, only rot remained.

      Prices ....
      I'll tell you how the development price is determined in my industry. THEN.
      The prototype product is determined. Or an analogue. The volume of documentation (the entire complete set of design documents) is considered in A4 formats. Time and prices are determined according to ENIR. Multiply. the qualifications of developers are also assigned there. detail - technician - designer, circuit - electrical engineer or electronics engineer with salary ... General view - designer category 1 .... amount. Plus overhead. We have 694%. Plus the production of samples for testing - 2 ... 3 pieces. Their price is also similar. Plus for the novelty. TOTAL.
      How the product price is determined. The cost of all materials, components, energy, technological materials, wages, invoices, transport, PROFIT (we have 18%) TOTAL. With whom is it agreed? Only with its own ministry. WILL IT BE AGAINST? The buyer is not given a word. He simply includes in his costs the price of ours. And it has a rationale for its products. POINT. Both production and sale-purchase from the state pocket are financed. And he doesn't care how much it costs. Shifting from one section of the pocket to another does not give any interest. Whether it is DIFFERENT pockets of private traders or private traders and the state, it's another matter. There is only window dressing in an economical economy.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 23 August 2020 19: 55 New
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        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        Prices ....
        I'll tell you how the development price is determined in my industry.

        There is no reason not to believe you. But you are a little about something else. We are not talking about a certain factory-made product, which is easy enough to cover, but about construction, which dances from the budget. It is not possible to check each item of the estimate when it comes to piece production and, moreover, of a rather large object. For a reason, estimates for large-scale construction are often revised and even several times. And as I said above, I have some experience in the construction of fairly large objects (retail and office complexes), where it is impossible to withstand the budget to a penny, since a bunch of variables from the customer and the contractor are included in the construction process. completely independent. Those. I mean. that the construction of a floating spaceport is not a pleasure boat for five people.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 23: 50 New
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          Quote: Al_lexx
          Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Prices ....
          I'll tell you how the development price is determined in my industry.

          There is no reason not to believe you. But you are a little about something else. We are not talking about a certain factory-made product, which is easy enough to cover, but about construction, which dances from the budget. It is not possible to check each item of the estimate when it comes to piece production and, moreover, of a rather large object. For a reason, estimates for large-scale construction are often revised and even several times. And as I said above, I have some experience in the construction of fairly large objects (retail and office complexes), where it is impossible to withstand the budget to a penny, since a bunch of variables from the customer and the contractor are included in the construction process. completely independent. Those. I mean. that the construction of a floating spaceport is not a pleasure boat for five people.

          The pricing system in the USSR was the same for any product. Estimates, calculations, all were built on COST. Therefore, the economy of that time was called COST. It did not take into account the desire of the buyer, there was no competition. There reigned indifference. The planned economy excluded the ability to choose a supplier. Some planned so much, others planned to buy exactly so much. And for the price that the state approved. There was no choice in anything. During my work in the design bureau of the plant, we have consistently removed from production 5 generations of the product. The first cost 49 rubles, the last that I found there 865 rubles. I will describe the mechanism, if you wish. I don't want to be intrusive. It will be interesting, I'll tell you. I can tell you something interesting about the Quality Mark. And about the progress in mechanical engineering in the USSR. What was really going on there.
      2. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 23 August 2020 19: 57 New
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        And by the way, you asked - "how to steal from yourself"?
        Yes, easily. And this happens quite often. subject to certain conditions of the situation.
        To tell?
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 24 August 2020 00: 11 New
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          Quote: Al_lexx
          And by the way, you asked - "how to steal from yourself"?
          Yes, easily. And this happens quite often. subject to certain conditions of the situation.
          To tell?

          Go ahead.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 10: 14 New
    +9
    Quote: Al_lexx
    Not understood. In what way will the new missile "barge" be more effective than the old one?

    It will be possible to cut the budget more efficiently than with the old "barge".
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 August 2020 10: 20 New
      10
      Well, you don't have to finish the job. The main main body of financing is to master.

      Just for US launches - 23, China 22, Russia 9.
      For MS, the profitability from 6 launches per year was earlier. And he achieved these indicators twice in his history. It's time to make a new sea launch. wassat When there are no launches.
      1. slipped
        slipped 23 August 2020 11: 21 New
        -2
        Quote: donavi49
        When there are no launches.


        Russia will have a large number of launches when deploying new groupings on the Sphere theme. Now launches are going on as needed.

        In the near future, the replenishment of the "Gonets" and "Glonass" groups will begin, the creation of a new "Arctic" grouping will begin, and launches under the "OneWeb" program will resume.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 August 2020 11: 53 New
          -1
          And all these 620 satellites of the Sphere are planned to be launched on Angara missiles - alas, in any scenario Sea Launch Corpse - Unions 5 will hardly be launched from it.
          1. slipped
            slipped 23 August 2020 12: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            And all these 620 Sphere satellites are planned to be launched on Angara rockets


            Not. "Sphere" consists of various satellites, different constellations. All available media types will be used for launches.

            Quote: Vadim237
            alas, in any scenario Sea Launch corpse - Unions 5 vryatli will launch from it.


            It was not planned to launch Soyuz-5 from Sea Launch, it does not fit there. It is possible to make a missile for Sea Launch on the basis of Soyuz-5. The decision is up to the current owners of the platform.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 August 2020 12: 46 New
              -1
              But it all comes down to the cost of creating this new rocket. And there is a very high risk that this new rocket will remain unclaimed in terms of launches.
              1. slipped
                slipped 23 August 2020 12: 50 New
                -2
                Quote: Vadim237
                But it all comes down to the cost of creating this new rocket.


                The Soyuz-5 rocket is being developed as part of a federal program. The SL version is inexpensive to build, and the cost of the rocket itself will be competitive.

                Quote: Vadim237
                And there is a very high risk that this new rocket will remain unclaimed in terms of launches.


                It depends on the work of the management of the private company.
              2. U-58
                U-58 23 August 2020 13: 28 New
                -1
                Presumably this new rocket will be strikingly reminiscent of the Zenith ..
                1. slipped
                  slipped 23 August 2020 15: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: U-58
                  Presumably this new rocket will be strikingly reminiscent of the Zenith ..


                  Only with its tail, since the launch pad is designed for the diameter of the "Zenith". Tank size, control system and motors will vary.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 23 August 2020 15: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        Just for US launches - 23, China 22, Russia 9.

        We fly as we finance.
        Space spending looks like this ($ billion in 2018). USA - $ 40,9 billion; China - about $ 5,8 billion; European agency - about 7; Russia - $ 4,2 billion
        There will be money, there will be programs, respectively, there will be launches. We must take a sober view of our capabilities to meet our needs. Obviously, the volume of spending on other, more pressing purposes, does not allow funding space in the desired amount.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 August 2020 16: 16 New
          -1
          Alas, space for Russia now and the next 10 - 15 years will not be a priority, since without it the problems of the mountains.
      3. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 19: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, you don't have to finish the job. The main main body of financing is to master.

        Just for US launches - 23, China 22, Russia 9.
        For MS, the profitability from 6 launches per year was earlier. And he achieved these indicators twice in his history. It's time to make a new sea launch. wassat When there are no launches.

        To put it politely, it's not true.

        And if you count manned, put Mask 1. While it is at the level of the USSR in 1961.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 25 August 2020 16: 50 New
    0
    Everything is simple - what we have done is over. It is necessary to start a new "project".
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 August 2020 10: 12 New
    0
    I think that more money can be cut if Sea Launch, converted into Underwater Launch, so that extra eyes do not see.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 August 2020 10: 17 New
      +4
      Moreover, the work experience is rich. Like the largest underwater dock in the country. wassat
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 23 August 2020 10: 16 New
    +2
    I think the problem with such projects is very easy to solve - you just need to introduce personal responsibility for the program developers:
    1. Spent a billion and got no profit - 5 years;
    2. Buried 10 billion in the sand and did not achieve the result that he himself promised - 10 years and the confiscation of everything and everyone, up to family members (in the sense, not theirs, but to carry out the confiscation from them), etc.
    3. Achieved the stated goals of the program - promotion and other cakes. For deserved.
    But only when you offer developers something like that - they just almost laugh in response. Therefore, we will have new cosmodromes (like there, Vostochny, by the way), and Sakhalin shelves, and Rosgano in all its splendor ...
  • demo
    demo 23 August 2020 10: 17 New
    +1
    The main question is not where, but what to launch !?
    But with this "we have" a tension.

    Those. there is "eyewash" and the ability to "nag" in an adult way.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 10: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: demo
      The main question is not where, but what to launch !?
      But with this "we have" a tension.

      Those. there is "eyewash" and the ability to "nag" in an adult way.

      We have reliably working media. And well mastered by production.

      This is not the point. The fact is that there are no ideas, tasks necessary to complete them. The available means cannot reach the Moon, and no one knows what to do there. Any business develops through crises. Ideas, financial, technological. We all have gathered in one place and at the same time.
      Look at the picture.
      Does it bother you that ALL lines are declining? Do you know how to think? Then answer, what does this mean?
      And it's time to quit chatting with sawing. If you don’t know a damn about it.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 23 August 2020 10: 47 New
        -1
        Just a graph of the curve.
        For example, from the wiki in recent years, all points on the wiki can be corrected there is a complete list of launches.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 15: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Just a graph of the curve.
          For example, from the wiki in recent years, all points on the wiki can be corrected there is a complete list of launches.

          Well, your graph is even more crooked. There are straight lines in what I presented. What did you want to refute with yours?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 23 August 2020 15: 22 New
            -3
            The fact that at the end of the graph there is a clear growth from the PRC and the USA,
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 24 August 2020 00: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: BlackMokona
              The fact that at the end of the graph there is a clear growth from the PRC and the USA,


              Here's a direct graph. With exact numbers, not roughly shown on the forks that you dug up somewhere.
      2. Alien ...
        Alien ... 23 August 2020 11: 12 New
        +1
        "what does this mean?"

        This means 2 things:
        1. STP (scientific and technological progress). One rocket can accomplish tasks for which a bullet had to be shot for a whole year in the 70s.
        2. The absence of such tasks... Well, there is no demand ... The same Musk sits at the expense of the Pentagon ...
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 11: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Alien ...
          "what does this mean?"

          This means 2 things:
          1. STP (scientific and technological progress). One rocket can accomplish tasks for which a bullet had to be shot for a whole year in the 70s.
          2. The absence of such tasks... Well, there is no demand ... The same Musk sits at the expense of the Pentagon ...

          So I am about this No categorical tasks. Achieved. There is no race as such. Some calmed down with the victory, others agreed with the situation. New threats FROM THERE, ABOVE, are not foreseen, we will still not be able to reflect the meteorites. A trifle can be bombed, but they will not create too much trouble, and it is useless to bomb a million tons of stones. Yes, and the resulting fragments can cause more trouble. They definitely get to the Earth, and SAM can slip by. You can't live on Mars. About the Moon .... In short, the swamp gurgled, gurgled and calmed down.
          1. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 23 August 2020 12: 48 New
            0
            Steam powered machines, the first railway, the first airplane, electricity, the invention of radio, television, these are all things from which at one time were "written with boiling water."
            Space flights are on the same list. When it seemed that it would turn everything upside down, there would be a giant leap into the future and humanity would learn the SECRET of its origin and the origin of the world.
            Space has become commonplace and does not promise major breakthroughs in the foreseeable future. And, it seems, does not bring us, now living, closer to solving this riddle.
            If you study only the Solar System, the satellite will fly to the periphery for tens of years, and no one stutters about exploring even the nearest stars.
            And our modern knowledge of the universe does not inspire much optimism, distances measured in billions of years, gas giants, frozen pieces (not even ice), radiation, emptiness and eternal cold ..
            1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
              Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 13: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
              Steam powered machines, the first railway, the first airplane, electricity, the invention of radio, television, these are all things from which at one time were "written with boiling water."
              Space flights are on the same list. When it seemed that it would turn everything upside down, there would be a giant leap into the future and humanity would learn the SECRET of its origin and the origin of the world.
              Space has become commonplace and does not promise major breakthroughs in the foreseeable future. And, it seems, does not bring us, now living, closer to solving this riddle.
              If you study only the Solar System, the satellite will fly to the periphery for tens of years, and no one stutters about exploring even the nearest stars.
              And our modern knowledge of the universe does not inspire much optimism, distances measured in billions of years, gas giants, frozen pieces (not even ice), radiation, emptiness and eternal cold ..

              It seems to me that humanity has matured since the first flight THERE. New data on hazards. New data on LIFE on Mars and Venus. The difficulties and the size of the financial costs were revealed for a simple, damn it, flight inside our system. Discoveries that are relatively easily mastered by technology have been made. The FTL delusions are not supported not only by practice, but also by good theory. The CREATOR made sure that a sentient being NEVER met his own kind. I can continue to argue on this topic if anyone is interested.
        2. pereselenec
          pereselenec 23 August 2020 12: 10 New
          -6
          Quote: Alien ...
          2. Lack of such tasks ... Well, there is no demand ... The same Musk is sitting at the expense of the Pentagon ...


          What prevents the creation of a private company like Space-X, which will sit at the expense of the Ministry of Defense, so that it demonstrates the same success as Musk?
          1. Alien ...
            Alien ... 23 August 2020 13: 28 New
            0
            Unnecessary. I already said. And yes: what kind of Mask does success?
          2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
            Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 15: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: pereselenec
            Quote: Alien ...
            2. Lack of such tasks ... Well, there is no demand ... The same Musk is sitting at the expense of the Pentagon ...


            What prevents the creation of a private company like Space-X, which will sit at the expense of the Ministry of Defense, so that it demonstrates the same success as Musk?

            A naive eccentric, I'm sorry, I'm not offended. A MONOPOLIST, in this case the state, is always interested in maintaining the status. Russian Railways. The monopoly is the state. Well, try to break the monopoly, create something nearby! What is the difference between MONOPOLIST-Roscosmos?
            1. Alien ...
              Alien ... 23 August 2020 23: 59 New
              0
              Still create ?! Yes they are happy. You flow of money give, like a Mask ... Will you give me?
      3. demo
        demo 23 August 2020 14: 08 New
        0
        And it's time to quit chatting with sawing. If you don’t know a damn about it.
        You are straight "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye."
        I clearly have nothing to do with cutting the budget.
        If I had, I wouldn't be discussing with you now! hi

        What I know for sure is that in the USSR, ANY project began to pass through its consideration only if the state giving the money saw at least 15% of the project's profitability.
        When the National Projects, which Putin spoke about, require more than 27 trillion rubles, and analysts of the Alfa Bank (Aven) group calculated the profitability of their execution at 100 billion rubles, what is this?
        This is not a cut, my friend, Kuzmich?
        Why was the Vostochny cosmodrome built?
        Why did they refuse Baikonur?
        Plesetsk is not satisfied with what?
        Maybe you should "stretch your legs over your clothes"?
        Maybe you shouldn't have said that there is not enough money in the PF RF and the age should be raised !?
        So let's stop stupid, sawing projects.
        Then people will be able to live in retirement, and not from the machine, go straight to the cemetery.
        1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
          Kuzmich Sibiryakov 23 August 2020 14: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: demo
          And it's time to quit chatting with sawing. If you don’t know a damn about it.
          You are straight "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye."
          I clearly have nothing to do with cutting the budget.
          If I had, I wouldn't be discussing with you now! hi

          What I know for sure is that in the USSR, ANY project began to pass through its consideration only if the state giving the money saw at least 15% of the project's profitability.
          When the National Projects, which Putin spoke about, require more than 27 trillion rubles, and analysts of the Alfa Bank (Aven) group calculated the profitability of their execution at 100 billion rubles, what is this?
          This is not a cut, my friend, Kuzmich?
          Why was the Vostochny cosmodrome built?
          Why did they refuse Baikonur?
          Plesetsk is not satisfied with what?
          Maybe you should "stretch your legs over your clothes"?
          Maybe you shouldn't have said that there is not enough money in the PF RF and the age should be raised !?
          So let's stop stupid, sawing projects.
          Then people will be able to live in retirement, and not from the machine, go straight to the cemetery.

          Delirium of a gray mare, do not be offended, I am not you, but your explanation.
          Projects when the institute needed to prove its effectiveness. Wasn't raising virgin lands justified? Corn introduction is everywhere and everywhere, isn't it justified? The construction of a paper mill near Baikal, isn't it ..... Trillions of investments in the construction of BAM was not justified? The turn of the northern rivers to the south ....?
          I will tell you a secret that you do not know about. Planning in the USSR came from the desire of departments to do what they CAN.
          Get to know this:
          https://public.wikireading.ru/51104
          Excerpt, in order to interest: But the production plan contains as many equations as there are different types of products. In the mid-1970s, when the great cyberneticist Viktor [1] Mikhailovich Glushkov first published in the USSR the reasoning that I am now retelling in a simplified way, 20 million types of products were produced in the USSR. This means that to calculate the plan, it was necessary to solve a system of 20 equations. And to perform for this 000 actions.
          Tired of counting zeros? Well, this can be done not manually, but on a computer. The fastest Soviet computer at that time performed 1 operations per second. And it took him to calculate the plan 000 seconds - approximately 000 years.
          True, in the Gauss method, many actions can be performed in parallel. That is, connect many computers to the case at once. And computers themselves are working faster every day. Now there are already billions of operations per second with a speed of operation. And if you connect a whole million (and there are no more in the whole world) computers with a hundred million performance, the plan for the USSR can be calculated in just 160 years ...
          In fact - thousands for 10-20. First, the coefficient before the exponent is far from one. Secondly, the overhead of organizing the parallel operation of computers takes away a significant portion of their performance. Hundreds of thousands and millions of computers will spend many times more time on interaction, on the exchange of intermediate results, than on the work itself.
          However, you can save something. For example, iron ore is not directly included in a plastic comb. Of course, the mold for the hairbrush is steel. And the tools for making the mold are steel. And the machines on which these tools are made contain a lot of iron. But at the intersection of the line "plastic comb" and the column "iron ore" there is zero. And there are a lot of such zeros in the system of material balance equations, according to which the plan is calculated. If you choose the right order of actions, most of these zeros will remain. For planned calculations, it is possible to reduce the exponent in the Gaussian method from three to two and a half. Although the proportionality coefficient in front of the degree increases many times. That is, the time for calculating the plan can be reduced to five to ten years.
          Comrade Gorbachev blurted out from the TV screen that: "Our metallurgists are great. They have undertaken to cook steel to order."
          MEANS, all this time they have been brewing what will come out.
          Baikonur. Forget and trample. Don't see the policy of Kazakhstan? Maintain the CITY, overcoming the ever-increasing resistance of his brother. Perspective? Not understood?
          There is another, more south-facing, and, in the desert, we have no place. We need launch routes, not over cities, so that ... you know. We need routes of injection directed to the north, as the most energetically advantageous.
          1. demo
            demo 23 August 2020 17: 29 New
            0
            You shouldn’t have written so many words, it’s difficult to combine in a couple of seconds into a coherent thought. hi
            The construction of the plant began with where and to whom, at what price the products would go.
            The global projects that you wrote about are, to a greater extent, a sign of socialism and its possibilities.
            Economic return "0". Political dividends - 100%.
            What and what will outweigh?
            So don't complicate things like that.
            I am a production worker, my father is a production worker.
            How the projects were coordinated - this topic is a family conversation, in the evening over a cup of tea.
            Naturally, the construction of a school, a sanatorium, a rest home or a pioneer camp could not be considered the same as the construction of the Krasnoyarsk aluminum plant.
            What is the return on the fact that some kid or girl improved health for 24 days at sea?
            But they built icebreakers, riveted aircraft. I am silent about tanks and submarines. This is war.
            But the fact that in the Russian Federation the consumption of kerosene in comparison with the USSR has decreased 10 times, due to the fact that there was no one to fly.
            And then aircraft manufacturing died.
            And then they just bought it abroad, since there were no own ones.
            Here's how?
            Is this not politics?
            Degradation policy.
            The policy of relegation to the underdeveloped.
            Cutting policy (to get a rollback over the hill - two fingers on the asphalt).
            And you tell me about cybernetics !!!!!
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 23 August 2020 10: 32 New
    +4
    And this is all what for, all these speeches-cracks of Rakhmonov, given that
    At present, Sea Launch is located in the Russian Far East, the project is frozen "until better times."

    Money nowhere to go? Or maybe it’s easier to bring home what is? That is, Sea Launch ..

    It's like going out with aircraft carriers - a bunch of models of aircraft carriers are pulled at exhibitions. But our only aircraft carrier was never supervised. As well as the air group. As it was not combat-ready, nothing has changed ...

    We need to transfer this eccentric to a site with less work and less responsibility, such as housing and communal services in Odintsovo ...
    1. Old
      Old Michael 23 August 2020 14: 59 New
      0
      We need to transfer this eccentric to a site with less work and less responsibility, such as housing and communal services in Odintsovo ...

      Pip your tongue!
      In Odintsovo, housing and communal services are not covered in chocolate.
      Many of my friends live there, what are they guilty of before you, why are you telling them such "joy"?
      (Joke if that
  • Channels
    Channels 23 August 2020 10: 47 New
    -5
    We have some thoughts on this. There is a set of technological solutions that make it possible to make such a complex more efficient than it was 25-30 years ago.

    Again, our Kulibins have conceived something, but they keep quiet about the details .. Well, God forbid!
    I hope our chip Simplicity, reliability, efficiency will be taken into account in this new space project!
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 August 2020 10: 49 New
    0
    Isn't it cheaper to cooperate and upgrade Odysseus? Is it really completely out of date and all, for scrap? Above this intention, something can be seen in a cloud in the shape of the letters "SAW" ....
  • IC
    IC 23 August 2020 11: 11 New
    +1
    1. Purchase of S7, obviously according to instructions from above. Why would a successful airline spend a lot of money not on expanding its core business, but on a deliberately failed project? It's more logical to buy new planes. Airlines are a low margin business. Companies are balancing on the brink of survival. Any mistake leads to a fall.
    An example of Transaero.
    2. The USC management constantly makes loud statements. Either a contract for 50 ships, then a cruise ship, etc. Not to mention the repair of the aircraft carrier Kuznetsov. First, let them ensure the normal construction and repair times of the Navy projects, competitive conditions for the construction of civilian ships.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 23 August 2020 11: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: IMS
      The USC management constantly makes loud statements.

      That's for sure. Sometimes it's better to chew ...

      Quote: IMS
      First, let them ensure the normal construction and repair times of the Navy projects, competitive conditions for the construction of civilian ships.

      Quite right. And then I look at the timing of the construction of a corvette or repair of a nuclear submarine and go nuts ..
      1. IC
        IC 23 August 2020 11: 27 New
        0
        A UDC on the Gulf. The target is 7 years, in which no one believes. The ship was laid without a final project. Compare the timing with Mistral.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 23 August 2020 11: 52 New
          0
          Comrade Tupolev, do not need better, do it like a model. (c.) Joseph Stalin.
          True, I believe the sample is just non-reproducible. In general, the most necessary ship for the fleet. Aha.
          It would be more necessary for the country if these donkeys (I'm talking about our ram-headed admirals and rogues from the USC) built a series of universal amphibious supply transports, like these.

          According to the Brigade, we must have such transports at the Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet. The need for UDC at the moment is highly doubtful ...
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 August 2020 11: 18 New
    -1
    Is it impossible to upgrade Sea Launch? It's just a question. No need to throw slippers. The Mir station was flooded - it's a pity, but it served three times longer than planned. What about Sea Launch? Is he no longer able to work? Is it impossible to upgrade it for other missiles? I'm really interested.
    1. IC
      IC 23 August 2020 11: 22 New
      0
      First, you need to decide on the commercial side of the sea cosmodrome. If prospect orders.
      Modernization is not money compared to building a new facility. And money from the budget.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 23 August 2020 11: 24 New
        -1
        And when building a new one, "is it not necessary to decide on the commercial side of the sea launch site"? Just to build a Schaub Bulo? Let's think in terms of efficient use of funds, not cutting.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 23 August 2020 11: 28 New
    0
    Rakhmanov is already two buildings ahead of Rogozin in all sorts of dummy projectors. So keep Alexey.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 August 2020 11: 28 New
    -3
    Answering the question whether USC plans to develop its own cosmodrome instead of Sea Launch, Rakhmanov explained that there are such plans, and today's technologies make it possible to create a floating cosmodrome much more efficiently than Sea Launch, created back in the 90s of the last century.

    Truly, appetite comes with eating. It is completely incomprehensible what comes during the intense zhora.
    Here the other day they built-built and did not complete it:
    The cost of the launch infrastructure of the Vostochny cosmodrome in the Amur Region is estimated by Roscosmos at 120 billion rubles, and the entire cosmodrome - about 180 billion rubles, said the head of the state corporation Igor Komarov.

    Where to put it? Or do we have spaceships stacked in a warehouse, waiting for the launch queue? Or is it from your own, built using new technologies, a “sea launch” (there is no need to talk about the advantages of the location of the cosmodrome closer to the equator - they were taught at school when astronomy was an independent subject) it is “most effective” to waste money?
    Frisky, however, the guys went, the Moon-Mars mastered and came to grips with "sea launches". In the temporary detention center, they would have long ago drawn either a “taiga finish”, or smeared their forehead with “green stuff,” but here they puff something, busily discussing where else the billions unnecessary for the Russian country should be posted.
    Damn, build an all-Russian children's treatment center, so that parents do not shed tears, looking at the suffering of their children !!! fool MORE USE WILL BE !!!
    And here...

    How can you not remember that somewhere space is called space, because it is huge. And in Russia they realized that "space" - a huge space where you can "saw" huge budget funds for an idea ...Under long-term plans for the distant future ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 23 August 2020 11: 45 New
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Here the other day they built-built and did not complete it:


      Here the other day they built, built and built:



      Moreover, they continue to build:



      including what was not completed:



      Quote: ROSS 42
      Where to put it?


      Let's give out to pregnant pensioners? laughing
      1. pereselenec
        pereselenec 23 August 2020 12: 06 New
        -4
        Quote: slipped
        Here the other day they built, built and built:


        1. slipped
          slipped 23 August 2020 12: 07 New
          -2
          Quote: pereselenec


          Those who have violated have already sat down, and the money is returned. Now the construction of the second stage is underway - there are no violations.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 August 2020 12: 39 New
            -2
            Quote: slipped
            Now the construction of the second stage is underway - there are no violations.

            It hurts briefly about the first ... I'll add a couple of sentences:
            The start of operation of the new organizational and legal form of Roscosmos was marked by the first launch from the Vostochny cosmodrome near the village of Uglegorsk on April 28, 2016 at 5:01 Moscow time.
            On March 18, 2017, the top manager of the state corporation Roscosmos, Vladimir Yevdokimov, was found dead in the Moscow remand prison number 5 with three stab wounds.

            How do you say? ... Is the second stage under construction? Let's wait ... for the third stage ... lol
            1. slipped
              slipped 23 August 2020 12: 46 New
              -2
              Quote: ROSS 42
              It hurts briefly about the first ... I'll add a couple of sentences:


              Do you do conspiracy theories? laughing Evdokimov was remanded in custody for his other sins.

              Quote: ROSS 42
              How do you say? ... Is the second stage under construction?


              Goes ahead of schedule. Completed in 2023.

              Quote: ROSS 42
              Let's wait ... for the third stage ... lol


              Yeah, wait. laughing
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 24 August 2020 12: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: slipped
                Goes ahead of schedule. Completed in 2023.

                You listen at your leisure, where did you spend a third of the budget, and then sing Hosanna:
  • Dikson
    Dikson 23 August 2020 11: 35 New
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    And what, Vostochny has already been completed, can it be closed? Has the aircraft carrier and super-duper destroyer already been built? And Mega-Super-Duper Cool Icebreaker? Right. It remains to beg the money for the space pontoon .. The idea of ​​sea launches in our country is akin to the Vostochny cosmodrome, to which you can't bring a damn thing through the railway tunnels of the 18th century design .. Do we have warm seas around Russia? Will they carry missiles through the NSR, once a year? Canals to dig from sea to sea? Debarkaders for space launches are now urgently needed for us ..
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 23 August 2020 12: 56 New
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      Mind above, there is an urgent need, at the request of the workers, naturally in the death star and the indispensable planting of apple trees on Venus by the USC forces.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 23 August 2020 11: 45 New
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    Long live I drank!

    Is it correct that Sea Launch, with its heap of PR articles, as "having no analogue in the world", will be thrown into the dustbin of history? And want to build and develop a new one?

    There are no rockets, no engines, no satellites, the co-owner of S7 in cosmology "suddenly" crashed in a plane crash.

    Rogozin's case lives on and triumphs.
  • U-58
    U-58 23 August 2020 12: 08 New
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    Such bold claims suggest that USC has a full understanding of a number of points:
    - the need for a new start;
    - full knowledge of its structure;
    - knowledge of rocketry at the expert level
    - understanding which carriers will start from the new complex (i.e. knowledge that is not available even in Roscosmos)
    -Confidence that this work will be approved by the government and financed.
    About the above, I am tormented by far from vague doubts ...
    Either someone has agreed with someone long ago, or this is just a statement of intent.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 August 2020 12: 17 New
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    I see a new "Rogozin" has appeared - now in the USC. Whom do they hope to interest in this project with us? Nobody really wants to get involved with Roscosmos - well, there will be a launch platform, but where can we get the rocket? If they are going to build for foreign customers and for good money, then the idea is definitely a good one, only I do not see any potential interests in this business - except Japan ..
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 August 2020 13: 19 New
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      Why Japan? Especially with Russia? They fit nicely into the international system. They work very closely with NASA. At the same lunar station, they will have a module. There are several on the ISS + its own supply truck + an active quota for Japanese cosmonauts with a permanent presence on the ISS.

      They also combine their own research program, their own telecommunications findings, with international programs. Feel free to buy space on the media. At the same time, they sell launches to the market, the first Arab AMS flew to Mars at the expense of a Japanese rocket.

      They have good rockets in general, but if it is necessary to throw heavy and on the geostationary, then they buy (or even get seats with discounts from the same ESA, due to mutually beneficial services under other programs).
      Just recently, their 3,5 tonne flew to the high Kura on Ariana.



      Their heaviest rocket carries from Tanegashima the heaviest supply truck of the ISS - Kuonotori, 6 tons of payload per flight, and the total launch vehicle capacity is 19 tons.


      They have a promising epsilon, in the most popular niche for the future 600-1500kg.


      They make a new H3 rocket, 8 tons. Cheaper than the current H2 (light and heavy version).

      And most importantly, in their rocket program, they made a base bet on hydrogen + oxygen. And all their achievements, achievements, technical lines lie in this area. Launching hydrogen rockets from a sea launch would be expensive and very troublesome.
      1. slipped
        slipped 23 August 2020 22: 35 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Why Japan? Especially with Russia?


        All this did not prevent Japan from asking Russia to join the project of the Spectr-UF astrophysical observatory.

        Roskosmos approved Japan's request for participation in the project and put forward counter demands - Japan must comply with the terms of delivery of samples and models of its spectrographs.



        The launch of the Astrophysical Observatory Spectrum-UV (Ultraviolet) is scheduled for October 23, 2025.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 24 August 2020 08: 04 New
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          Well, I wrote about this:
          They also combine their own research program, their own telecommunications findings, with international programs.

          They try to participate in every international scientific mission. If possible.
      2. slipped
        slipped 24 August 2020 10: 34 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Why Japan? Especially with Russia?


        Quote: donavi49
        they combine their own research program, their own telecommunications findings, with international programs.


        that's why with Russia. laughing Nobody prevents any Japanese company from cooperating with the same Filev.
  • kig
    kig 23 August 2020 12: 41 New
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    Why does Rogozin not speak out on this topic? Even strange.
    1. Alien ...
      Alien ... 24 August 2020 00: 03 New
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      Why does he need other patients? they have enough of their own ... Look, again Buran is taken out of formaldehyde ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 August 2020 12: 51 New
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    Is the day of the searchlight at the USC today, or did Rashmonov get a special ride? Either Sharks in gas carriers? Did you just try to make river transport inexpensive and without a sawmill?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 23 August 2020 15: 54 New
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      It's just that river transport is inexpensive, but one devil will lose to Russian Railways .. - because navigation is not year-round in the country ..
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 23 August 2020 16: 16 New
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        Well, for this, let's probably transport equipment and people in private cauldrons for 10 people on board on rafts from logs? Rivers, space, roads are not needed, but what are they needed? Oh, I know, there are a lot of gasterbayters !!! The sun-faced himself said.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 August 2020 16: 20 New
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      This river transport is being built in full and coastal is the same.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 August 2020 17: 09 New
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    It would be better if a floating dock was made
  • Gunther
    Gunther 23 August 2020 22: 25 New
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    Quote: slipped
    ........ It depends on the work of the management of the private company.


    Are these the same "effective managers" with exorbitant wages as in Gazprom?
    well, who profuked everything possible and more - staying with the "pipe")))
    1. slipped
      slipped 24 August 2020 00: 06 New
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      Quote: Gunter
      Quote: slipped
      ........ It depends on the work of the management of the private company.


      Are these the same "effective managers" with exorbitant wages as in Gazprom?
      well, who profuked everything possible and more - staying with the "pipe")))


      Sea Launch is owned by S7 Space, a subsidiary of S7 Airlines. Do you often look at other people's salaries? This is usually what the losers do in life. laughing
      1. Gunther
        Gunther 24 August 2020 02: 21 New
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        Quote: slipped
        .... Usually losers in life do this.


        you know better, I will not dispute your sad experience)))
        1. Gunther
          Gunther 24 August 2020 03: 11 New
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          As for Sea Launch, the victorious march of "effective managers" fits into the noisy phrase about "an entrance ticket to space" by the general director of S7 Space Sergey Sopov
          to
          "- You know, now we really have no time for this.",
          when the owner of S7, Vladislav Filev, announced the freezing of the Sea Launch project, admitting that the placement of a complex for launching space rockets in Russia turned out to be unprofitable. \ _ (ツ) _ /
  • uav80
    uav80 24 August 2020 07: 59 New
    +1
    Rakhmanov's campaign suffered, then he had tankers from "sharks" then now his own cosmodrome, what's next, Ilona Mask to clone ..)))