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Shoigu called the timing of deliveries to the troops of TOS-2 "Tosochka"

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Shoigu called the timing of deliveries to the troops of TOS-2 "Tosochka"

The newest heavy flamethrower system TOS-2 ("Tosochka") will enter the troops by the end of this year. This was announced by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.


Speaking at the collegium of the military department, the minister said that TOS-2 will be tested at the Caucasus-2020 exercises, which will be held in September this year. The supply of the flamethrower system to the troops is planned to begin before the end of the year.

By the end of the year, it is planned to supply the troops with a new heavy flamethrower system TOS-2, which has an increased range and power. Practical shooting using TOS-2 will be practiced at the Kavkaz-2020 strategic exercise

- said the head of the military department.

Earlier, the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, said that TOS-2 is completing tests. Most likely we are talking about the end of preliminary tests, after which the state tests will follow. The equipment will go to the troops for trial operation, following which a decision will be made on the serial production of the system.

The TOS-2 heavy flame-throwing system was created on the basis of the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek", but in contrast to them it has a wheelbase and improved tactical and technical characteristics. Earlier it was reported about the creation of new ammunition for TOS-2. The machine was created taking into account the experience of using such weapons during the hostilities in the Middle East.
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  1. We are for our
    We are for our 21 August 2020 16: 34
    -52 qualifying.
    And why do you need to take another missile launcher to the already huge zoo of missile and cannon artillery?
    They no longer know what to cut the budget on, they mold according to the principle "if only it was."
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 August 2020 16: 39
      24
      Quote: We are for our
      And why do you need to take another missile launcher to the already huge zoo of missile and cannon artillery?

      To shoot normally at short ranges.
      The rest of the "zoo" is tailored for shooting at large, and the range is growing. And along with it, the minimum

      Quote: We are for our
      They no longer know what to cut the budget on, they mold according to the principle "if only it was."

      No, they just know a little about artillery.
      1. We are for our
        We are for our 21 August 2020 16: 44
        -36 qualifying.
        To shoot normally at short ranges.
        and mortars are no longer fired at short ranges?
        There are simply no goals for these huge area burners, why are they needed?
        No, they just know a little about artillery.
        Oh, this "own way" ... God forbid war, with this semblance of an army under the strict guidance of retrogrades, the country will sip more grief.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 August 2020 16: 49
          11
          Quote: We are for our
          and mortars are no longer fired at short ranges?

          MLRS and barreled artillery have different tasks and are not interchangeable.

          Quote: We are for our
          For these burners

          laughing
          The thermobar is more of an advanced land mine than a "burner".

          Quote: We are for our
          Oh, this "your way"

          ??
          No "own way" Even such kopleists of "NATO standards" and the American Army (aspirated), as the Poles, have not abandoned the system of normal MLRS.
          1. We are for our
            We are for our 21 August 2020 16: 56
            -27 qualifying.
            MLRS and barreled artillery have different tasks and are not interchangeable.
            And I just knew that before the advent of missiles there were no wars, all these are inventions of historians-sorcerers.
            Poles, never abandoned the system of normal MLRS.
            They did not refuse because there is nothing to replace from here right away. However, the share of MZSO in the armies of the countries of Eastern Europe is steadily declining.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 17: 02
              +7
              Quote: We are for our
              And I knew that there were no wars before the appearance of missiles

              There was cheap infantry. As I remember, under Verdun, both sides on the 15 km of the front, more than 300 thousand people only lost the dead.

              Quote: We are for our
              They did not refuse because there is nothing to replace from here right away.

              They just replace them For example, on R-40 "Langusta"

              In fact, the analogue of the Russian "Tornado-G"
            2. businessv
              businessv 21 August 2020 23: 09
              +2
              Quote: We are for our
              However, the share of MZSO in the armies of the countries of Eastern Europe is steadily declining.
              there everything is steadily declining! Including the population! Only the Stars and Stripes collection of weapons and personnel is replenished. The next replenishment is expected in Poland.
            3. Grits
              Grits 22 August 2020 00: 33
              +2
              Quote: We are for our
              However, the share of MZSO in the armies of the countries of Eastern Europe is steadily declining.

              And it is very pleasing.
          2. orionvitt
            orionvitt 21 August 2020 17: 14
            -12 qualifying.
            Quote: Spade
            MLRS and cannon artillery have different tasks and are not interchangeable

            The tasks are exactly the same and are interchangeable. And not only MLRS, but also tactical missile systems, such as Iskander, not only do not exclude the receiver, but simply supplement it in a different version. I will tell you one more "secret". All these weapons, both rocket and cannon, do not just belong to the same branch of the army.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 18: 27
              +2
              Quote: orionvitt
              The tasks are exactly the same, and are interchangeable.

              Aha
              laughing
              Retreat - run, advance - run ...

              On the one hand, in order to complete the same task in the same time as the TOS platoon, you will have to collect mortars from the entire division.
              But at the same time, most of the tasks available to TOC mortars cannot be performed in principle.
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 22 August 2020 13: 24
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Retreat - run, advance - run ...

                You are just my friend fool Any artilleryman will just laugh in your face. Based on your "message", then a rifle and a machine gun are completely different things, designed for different purposes and tasks. laughing Take the trouble to at least read and understand for yourself an elementary definition.

                Artillery:
                branch of the armed forces, the main weapons of which are artillery pieces - firearms of relatively large caliber: cannons, howitzers, mortars, etc., equipped, respectively, with throwing and reactive weaponsdesigned to destroy enemy personnel and objects;
                So the goals and objectives are the same. Don't worry, it's never too late to learn.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 August 2020 14: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Any artilleryman will just laugh in your face.

                  Not everyone. I definitely won't laugh in my face.
                  laughing
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Based on your "message", then a rifle and a machine gun are completely different things, designed for different purposes and tasks.

                  It is intended.
                  Didn't you know that?

                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Take the trouble to at least read and understand for yourself an elementary definition.

                  laughing
                  The definition is so elementary that it does not correspond to reality.
                  For example, one of the tasks of artillery is lighting. The task is available to mortars, which are not available to those in service with MLRS. And at the same time it is not connected with the "destruction of manpower and enemy objects". Similarly with shooting for blinding. And so on.
                  Don't repeat the nonsense from Wikipedia laughing laughing laughing

                  Once again, MLRS and mortars perform different tasks.
                  As an example, MLRS, in principle, cannot deliver a movable or stationary barrage fire. And mortars can.
      2. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 21 August 2020 16: 50
        -2
        Quote: Spade
        The rest of the "zoo" is designed for shooting at large, and the range is growing. And with it, the minimum range grows.

        As for me some kind of stupidity, why create a "new" MLRS when you can create several types of rounds (RS) for existing MLRS? Here in TOS-1 there was a sense in the tank chassis, which made it possible to come closer to the front line, as a result, it was possible to increase the volume of the warhead by reducing the reactive part, but then TOS-2 on a light / medium wheeled chassis, and this functionality disappeared , so what's the point in such an MLRS?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 August 2020 16: 56
          +1
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          As for me some kind of stupidity, why create a "new" MLRS when you can create several types of rounds (RS) for existing MLRS?

          Controversial.
          To use them, you will have to discharge normal PCs. That is, all this time, the "long arm" of the brigade / division will be absent. And this is not good. In addition, whoever blasphemes, we don't really have many MLRSs.

          But I agree, everything is not optimally organized, it could have been better.
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 21 August 2020 17: 06
            -7
            To be honest, the continuing fragmentation is starting to strain. They would have taken one worked-out version and produced it in series.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 21 August 2020 17: 57
              +2
              Quote: Voyager
              To be honest, the continuing fragmentation is starting to strain.

              What bothered you? Wheelbase or improved ammo performance?
              The TOS-2 heavy flame-throwing system was created on the basis of the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek", but in contrast to them it has a wheelbase and improved tactical and technical characteristics.

              So, there is an expression:
              Take it on your own, so as not to fall when walking ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 August 2020 18: 43
                +5
                Quote: ROSS 42
                What bothered you? Wheelbase or improved ammo performance?

                We have in the troops now, along with the promising 11 types of MLRS, too much.
                1. Grits
                  Grits 22 August 2020 00: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  We now have 11 types of MLRS in our troops

                  City
                  Hurricane
                  Tornado
                  Tornado G
                  Tornado C
                  Pinocchio
                  Solntsepek
                  Toosochka.
                  I can't remember anymore. Tell me.
                  1. Alex bergman
                    Alex bergman 22 August 2020 03: 07
                    0
                    You repeat yourself. Do not include upgrades.
                    1. Alex bergman
                      Alex bergman 22 August 2020 03: 08
                      0
                      Tornado G is the Hail
                      Tornado C - Tornado
                      Well and so on
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 22 August 2020 11: 46
                    0
                    "Grad", "Tornado-G", "Dam".
                    Plus "Prima" and "Grad-1" in question. Perhaps they were removed from the troops, and therefore did not count. As well as "Grad-V", which, if they remain, then only at storage bases
                    "Tornado", "Tornado-S"
                    "Uragan", "Uragan1M"
                    TOS-1, TOS-2, "Tosochka"
                    ISDM
              2. Voyager
                Voyager 21 August 2020 18: 57
                0
                Quote: ROSS 42
                So, there is an expression:
                Take it on your own, so as not to fall when walking ...

                Our economy fell long ago and is now crawling. And the funds allocated for the military-industrial complex are being reduced. We are not rich enough to rivet many different options and serve them all. New developments are good, but optimization and unification should be done.

                If MO intends to stay on this new platform for a while, great. And if after 5 years, having produced a couple of dozen TOS-2s, they again jump to a new version, then it will be completely game.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 18: 37
              +2
              Quote: Voyager
              They would have taken one worked-out version and produced it in series.

              Save ...
              In our minds, two types of MLRS are enough for us. On the lower level, there is something that combines "Tosochka" and ISDM. And use it to equip jet battalions at the brigade-divisional level, sappers and chemists. Just use different ammunition.
              Well, at higher ones - "Hurricane-1m" to replace "Tornadoes and Hurricanes"

              But it will have to all the "Grads" available in the troops, and "Tornado" is stupid to write off. And not upgrade to "Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S"
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 21 August 2020 20: 16
                +1
                Toochka and Agriculture to cross? Will the range get normal? With an acceptable amount of filling?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 21 August 2020 20: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Toochka and Agriculture to cross?

                  The level of protection, like that of "Tosochka", modular loading, like that of ISDM

                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Will the range get normal?

                  As far as I remember, ISDM guides are longer than those of Grad / Tornado-G
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 21 August 2020 21: 39
                    0
                    Longer. This is what you noted in the discussion after the parade. And the caliber? Or multi-caliber?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 22 August 2020 11: 47
                      0
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      And the caliber? Or multi-caliber?

                      Any system with modular loading can be made multi-caliber.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 22 August 2020 12: 15
                        0
                        It is truth too. I didn't think.
        2. maxxavto
          maxxavto 21 August 2020 16: 59
          0
          for example, for air transportation, they are easier and more likely to enter the plane, or maybe the military plans to air or sea landing of such a system
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 21 August 2020 21: 44
            0
            For air travel, it would be better to modify the old MLRS by making them multi-caliber, and so they created another "fatal flaw".
      3. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2020 16: 55
        +5
        Quote: Spade
        To shoot normally at short ranges.

        But whose equipment will they use? RCBZ battalions or jet batteries and divisions? In whose "amplification kit"? It is not entirely clear the place of these combat vehicles in battle formations.
        1. Speedy
          Speedy 21 August 2020 17: 10
          +5
          Yes, with TOS1 it is also not clear why in the RCBZ. And bumblebees. With them at least figured out in the end, RSHG and just the infantry saturated with bumblebees. But, I think, although it is special, the artillery should be at the "gunners" and not at the chemists. Although I may be wrong, with coronaviruses, all kinds of chemists may need it))
  2. iouris
    iouris 21 August 2020 17: 24
    -1
    Well, will do what? This is not a question for the minister.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 21 August 2020 18: 01
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      Well, will do what? This is not a question for the minister.

      And what is more important to you: the words of a minister or some "press" or a TV channel announcer?
      The minister said - from him and the demand.
  3. tarakan
    tarakan 21 August 2020 18: 04
    0
    Quote: orionvitt
    Quote: Spade
    MLRS and cannon artillery have different tasks and are not interchangeable

    The tasks are exactly the same and are interchangeable. And not only MLRS, but also tactical missile systems, such as Iskander, not only do not exclude the receiver, but simply supplement it in a different version. I will tell you one more "secret". All these weapons, both rocket and cannon, do not just belong to the same branch of the army.

    Tell me the time and quantity of cannon artillery, for (for example) disrupting an amphibious landing on the coast?
  4. tarakan
    tarakan 21 August 2020 18: 06
    0
    Quote: Voyager
    To be honest, the continuing fragmentation is starting to strain. They would have taken one worked-out version and produced it in series.

    If I am not mistaken CBT STE chemists
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 21 August 2020 20: 15
      +3
      If I am not mistaken CBT STE chemists


      You are completely correct. These are the troops of the RChBZ.


      I wonder what is the range? After all, the previous sunshine had one important drawback, it is a short range of defeat ..

      Hypothetically. Your units are located near the settlement. It contains the enemy stronghold. reinforced firing points and snipers - the sea. Don't stick your nose straight out onto the main street. Everything is shot from the basement of the house. The house is so solid.
      What to do ... We call the chemists. TOSKA approaches this house in about 5 km. Carefully places two shells under the house. And to the rear. The house is in place ... Exploration to the house ... And such soft soft bodies lie in the basement. The handles are bent in all directions. Eyes on the rollout ... and silence ... This is the work of TOSKA ... At @ ren it is 30 km away. She is a jeweler and assistant in skillful hands ...
      Goes to the rear
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 August 2020 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: Interlocutor
        TOSKA approaches this house for 5 km. Carefully places two shells under the house.

        But it doesn't work out like that.
        Or with five kilometers of several vehicles on a target such as VOP 300x200
        Or drag on semi-direct aiming at short ranges, and try to aim

        And your scenario requires guided missiles. Which for some strange reason do not exist.
        Although I do not think that it is so difficult to fasten Krasnopol's control system to these PCs.
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 21 August 2020 21: 44
          +1
          Or drag on semi-direct aiming at short ranges, and try to aim

          Everything is put, and even closer if necessary ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 August 2020 11: 49
            0
            Quote: Interlocutor
            Everything is put, and even closer if necessary ...

            Well yes. In this case, it is necessary to drive up very, very close, as it happened near Komsomolskoye.

            You cannot trample against physics and higher mathematics ...
            1. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 22 August 2020 12: 37
              0
              Well yes. In this case, it is necessary to drive up very, very close, as it happened near Komsomolskoye.


              or stand on a hill or dominant height
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 August 2020 12: 39
                0
                Irrelevant. In modern combat this will not be allowed
  5. Klingon
    Klingon 21 August 2020 22: 11
    0
    what is the delusional name Tosochka-tezochka? so if they began to call it according to a well-known fairy tale, it was necessary after Buratino to call the second version Karabas-Barabas, and this Malvina would be
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 22 August 2020 12: 37
      0
      what is the delusional name Tosochka-tezochka?

      Apparently from CBT
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 22 August 2020 18: 21
        0
        This is clear. but what does Pinocchio have to do with it then ?? that he fired sometime from a flamethrower? why not the serpent Gorynych? But no, for some reason they called the mine clearance installation the serpent Gorynych repeat then they would just call TOC 1 (2,3)
  6. Recon
    Recon 22 August 2020 01: 00
    +1
    I saw how Solntsepek works, and then went, so to speak, to fix the result ... And he is there: a nightmarish sight. And awesome efficiency.