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Something is wrong with the Polish "economic miracle": Poland's budget deficit approaches a record $ 30 billion

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Photo: Facebook / Zzegorz Jakubowski (Office of the President of Poland)



When people talk about the economies of the countries of the former socialist camp, they usually cite Poland as an example of special economic success. An example is usually the GDP growth in Poland, which the country has been demonstrating since 1991. In some years (1997, 2007), the growth of Polish GDP exceeded 7%. In 2018, Poland's GDP grew by over 5 percent.

However, in giving such examples, many economic experts were outright sly. The deceit consisted at least in the fact that in this case the statistics on credit influences on the part of the European Union were usually ignored. Moreover, Poland, by and large, began to pay off its debts on loans only in 2019.

The need to pay off loans against the background of obtaining new loans from the European Union "money box" led to the fact that the Polish budget deficit reached a record high in recent years. Today, the major Polish press writes that amendments had to be made to the budget already approved for 2020. The deficit approached 110 billion zlotys ($ 30 billion). And this is against the background of the fact that the budget was initially set up with an eye to zero deficit. There is something wrong with the Polish "economic miracle" ...

To justify the growing economic hole, the Polish government is blaming the pandemic for everything. However, the pandemic only exposed those problems, the solution of which the Polish authorities preferred to postpone, hoping that they "will always help to solve the EU partners.

At the same time, the Polish government continues to draw relatively positive forecasts, stating that employment by the end of 2020 will "fall slightly" - by 2,4%, and GDP will decrease not by 8,9%, as was announced by Western analysts, but "only by 4,6 , 3,3% ". Inflation in Poland is expected at 2,3% instead of 2,5% a year earlier and the forecasted XNUMX%.

How to pay on loans?


The representatives of the economic bloc of the Polish government prefer not to answer this question. Apparently, they again hope that Germany will give a loan at a sparing interest rate in order to pay off debts on past loans. But even if Germany gives the money again, the Polish budget deficit will only continue to grow.

However, the Polish authorities in recent days have shown much more informational activity in relation to neighboring Belarus, and not in relation to the growing heap of their own economic problems.
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  1. Orange
    Orange bigg 20 August 2020 15: 49 New
    +8
    The miracle can be seen in the photo for this article. Everything else about the Polish economic miracle is nothing more than a myth.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2020 15: 52 New
      14
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      The miracle can be seen in the photo for this article. Everything else about the Polish economic miracle is nothing more than a myth.

      Those who produce only apples cannot have any miracle .. A miracle is possible only with manufacturers of a product with high added value ..
      1. figwam
        figwam 20 August 2020 15: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        Those who produce only apples cannot have any miracles ..

        More strawberries ...
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 20 August 2020 16: 33 New
          14
          Credit "cheese" is only in the financial and political economic "mousetrap".
          (From the revelations of an economic killer.)
          1. Temples
            Temples 20 August 2020 18: 20 New
            -20
            Quote: Tatiana
            Credit "cheese" is only

            Are you from the fact that loans in Russia are 20 percent or more?

            The brilliant economy of Russia is certainly Better than the Polish one.
            I took out a loan in the West at 2 percent and in Russia I lent it at thirty.

            Only Poles live without the sale of resources.
            They live on credit money.
            They are not given money. They are given a loan at interest.
            Poles are good at managing money.
            And the debt will be returned.

            They are of course Russophobes.
            But the economic and social blocks of the Russian government have done shit to our people more than the Poles.

            What is the article about?
            A neighbor's cow dies, let's rejoice?

            Firstly, she did not die.
            Secondly, the one who laughs last laughs.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 20 August 2020 19: 24 New
              12
              Are you from the fact that loans in Russia are 20 percent or more?

              No dust needed. 13,5% give - I don't take. bully
              Poles are good at managing money.
              And the debt will be returned.

              Did the Poles tell you or did they guess it? lol
              A neighbor's cow dies, let's rejoice?
              Firstly, she did not die.
              Secondly, the one who laughs last laughs.

              That's it. Poland is not called the hyena of Europe for nothing.
              So there is already a queue for her funeral. wink
              1. Temples
                Temples 20 August 2020 21: 05 New
                -11
                Quote: Alex777
                No dust needed. 13,5% give - I don't take.

                Remember the 6 and 5 percent target loan for real estate. This crap is called a mortgage.
                The government headed by the president is driving the entire population into debt and rejoicing.
                And you're glad.

                The people are credited for the most tomatoes.

                Never before in the history of our country have our people been in such debt.
                Beggars and even in a hole in debt.

                There is something to rejoice in ghouls.
                1. SSR
                  SSR 20 August 2020 23: 29 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Temples
                  Never before in the history of our country have our people been in such debt.
                  Beggars and even in a hole in debt.

                  There it is, Mikhalych!
                  Tin. Hmm .. They took loans before and were not driven into debt ... Then they took out a loan and began to owe it. And about! You are Genius!
                  1. Asad
                    Asad 22 August 2020 15: 06 New
                    0
                    Then why can't Poland take loans?
                2. white.eagle
                  white.eagle 21 August 2020 11: 43 New
                  +1
                  In 1861, the peasants had to buy the land. then most of them had huge debts, as a result they lost land, and the debt still remained. And because in those days the majority of the population of Russia were peasants, we can say that the people were credited for the most tomatoes. As far as Poland is concerned, this is the result of a move away from investment in favor of social spending. The Poles voted for the idiots in power and will soon pay more taxes as punishment. We don't have oil and gas, so the awakening will be painful but instructive.
                3. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 21 August 2020 17: 57 New
                  +2
                  Never before in the history of our country have our people been in such debt.

                  If you are, take loans and more.
                  Think well before taking out a loan and do not blame others on your mistakes.
                  Credit is great for practical people!
            2. bk316
              bk316 21 August 2020 11: 49 New
              +2
              Are you from the fact that loans in Russia are 20 percent or more?

              Temples, you change the training manual, and then spoil the impression of yours.
              Sberbank unsecured consumer loan 11%
              Refinancing loan from rife 8%
              And there was no 20% - this is on credit cards and there are 30-50 days of vacation ...
            3. FemiA
              FemiA 22 August 2020 11: 57 New
              0
              You got a loan from the west at 2%? That must be from a western country where their pigs fly!
          2. Senka naughty
            Senka naughty 20 August 2020 20: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: Tatiana
            Credit "cheese" is only in the financial and political economic "mousetrap".
            (From the revelations of an economic killer.)

            For Poland, this mousetrap slammed long ago, now only forward under the tanks, they will repay debts with the lives of Poles, Ukrainians and, possibly, Belarusians. We pumped up the Polish bubble, it will burst soon, who didn’t hide, I’m not to blame. The scheme is as old as life.
      2. Kart
        Kart 20 August 2020 15: 58 New
        -13
        For example a nuclear power plant.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 August 2020 16: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        Those who produce only apples cannot have any miracle .. A miracle is possible only with manufacturers of a product with high added value ..

        For example, armored personnel carriers?
        Polish industry is not that weak, despite all the EU's fight against it.
        They say they produce 0.7 million cars a year. It's cheaper to produce them in Poland than to create jobs for Poles in some Germany.
        1. bar
          bar 20 August 2020 16: 48 New
          10
          Polish industry is not that weak, despite all the EU's fight against it.

          Is the EU fighting it? I then, through thoughtlessness, always thought that it was Poland who was building goat muzzles to the European Union for European Union money. what
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 August 2020 17: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          They say they produce 0.7 million cars a year.

          Volvo buses are also assembled in Poland and other firms. Only upon receipt are they put immediately for maintenance, especially the Volvo-hybrid.
        3. Svarog
          Svarog 20 August 2020 18: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          Polish industry is not that weak, despite all the EU's fight against it.

          I’m not talking about weakness or strength .. I’m talking about a miracle .. Neither in Russia, nor in Poland, nor in any other country, will there be a miracle, as long as there is no production with high added value ..
          Electronics, pharmaceutical industry, production of high-tech equipment, these are the areas that need to be developed. But without science, quality education, this is not possible ..
          Those who produce only apples cannot have any miracle .. A miracle is possible only with manufacturers of a product with high added value ..

          This is my comment.
      4. unaha
        unaha 20 August 2020 16: 52 New
        16
        In general, Poland produces a lot of household goods, goods for children. I don’t know how it is now (maybe China ousted it), but 10-15 years ago, almost all strollers, car seats, etc. it was Polish.
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 August 2020 18: 20 New
          +4
          There are very few Chinese goods in Poland and Turkey, almost all of their own.
      5. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 20 August 2020 17: 21 New
        +1
        who only produces apples
        There are also fascist coups in the Republic of Belarus, although they are most likely simple mediators there.
      6. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 21 August 2020 13: 04 New
        +2
        Why not? It was a miracle))) Psheki were the first to leave the socialist camp and mattress makers, using their example, decided to show all the advantages of capitalism. According to data from various sources, since 1989, from 60 to 80 lard dollars have been "pumped" into Poland, only direct investments. If the grandmothers hadn't been plundered, then the psheks would now live like in Switzerland. But since there was a lot of money, they could not steal everything, something remained for the country)))
      7. kutuz
        kutuz 21 August 2020 22: 34 New
        -4
        "Miracles are possible only with product manufacturers" Well, Well! - The deficit of the federal budget of Russia in January-July 2020 amounted to more than 1,522 trillion rubles, according to the Ministry of Finance. Poland is expected, in theory, while Russia is already, and even more is expected
      8. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 22 August 2020 15: 57 New
        0
        Well, let's say there are a lot of Polish products with high added value.
        The point is different, Poland solves all problems through European loans. True, they manage them well, they have built roads, developed agriculture, built a bunch of small commodity enterprises (dairy products, plastics, household chemicals, furniture and much more)
        This cannot be taken away from them.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 20 August 2020 15: 55 New
      +1
      They live on loans, in debt, which can be GDP.
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 20 August 2020 16: 16 New
        -3
        Quote: vkl.47
        They live on loans, in debt, which can be GDP.

        You probably are not yet aware that with the growth of GDP, repayment of previously received loans becomes not such a difficult task. Well, okay, it happens.
        And now, let's compare these "terrible", according to the author, indicators of Poland and the prosperous, rapidly developing, self-sufficient economy of Russia, for 20 years headed by the world's most brilliant leader, who was zeroed and even more rejuvenated after extreme plastic surgery. Data for Russia is taken from the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia, data for Poland is from the article.
        GDP: Poland - minus 4,6%, Russia - minus 4,8%.
        Inflation: Poland - 3,3%, Russia - no more than 4%.
        Employment: Poland - 5,1%, Russia - 5,7%.
        Budget deficit: Poland - $ 30 billion, Russia - $ 73 billion
        Average salary, after deducting all taxes: Poland - $ 1017, Russia - $ 574
        Apart from half the salary in Russia, the rest of the indicators are absolutely comparable. Well, of course, the Poles are rotting lol
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 August 2020 16: 24 New
          19
          Quote: kjhg
          Except for half the salary in Russia

          laughing
          Not once, not twice or three times he gave the example of Belarus. At one time, the minimum pension there was much less than the Russian one. At the same time, it was above the subsistence level, and the Russian one was below it.

          Attempts to compare salaries in dollars is a common manipulation that a smart person will not fall for
          Compare as a percentage of subsistence. Or in loaves of bread
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 20 August 2020 17: 13 New
            -5
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: kjhg
            Except for half the salary in Russia

            laughing
            Not once, not twice or three times he gave the example of Belarus. At one time, the minimum pension there was much less than the Russian one. At the same time, it was above the subsistence level, and the Russian one was below it.

            Attempts to compare salaries in dollars is a common manipulation that a smart person will not fall for
            Compare as a percentage of subsistence. Or in loaves of bread

            Comparison of the grocery basket in Poland and in Russia, respectively, $:
            Milk (1l) - 0,63; 0,85
            Bread (500gr) - 0,75; 0,47
            Rice (1kg) - 0,87; 0,93
            Eggs (10pcs) - 1,8; 0,88
            Chicken breast (fillet 1kg) - 4,19; 3,81
            Cheese (1kg) - 5,96; 6,85
            Potatoes (1kg) - 0,46; 0,46
            Tomatoes (1kg) - 1,38; 1,76
            Oranges (1kg) - 1,21; 1,23
            Bananas (1kg) - 1,14; 0,94
            Apples (1kg) - 0,79; 1,27.
            In total, the cost of this food basket in Poland is $ 19,18, in Russia - $ 19,45.
            Average pension: in Poland - $ 500, in Russia - $ 214. The retirement age is the same, with a life expectancy in Poland 5 years longer.
            And so, yes, they rot. The main thing, Lopatov, set more emoticons, you will seem smarter lol
            1. RADIOACTIVE
              RADIOACTIVE 20 August 2020 17: 31 New
              +6
              I don't know where you got such prices from in Russia, in our outback, much of this basket is much cheaper
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 20 August 2020 17: 46 New
                -11
                Well, yes, I myself live in the outback. Delay, "on the stock", is always cheaper))) On that and survive.
                1. RADIOACTIVE
                  RADIOACTIVE 21 August 2020 17: 38 New
                  +2
                  well, live overdue, but I have everything my own from the garden, and we buy products mainly on the market
                2. jncnfdybr
                  jncnfdybr 24 August 2020 11: 31 New
                  +1
                  If you survived, you would not be on the Internet)). You would be working and not eating expired products. So, turn off the "fool".))
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 22: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: kjhg
              Comparison of the grocery basket in Poland and in Russia, respectively, $:

              It does not correspond to the RF on many points. I judge by the local pyaterochka where I constantly go ...
              1. kjhg
                kjhg 21 August 2020 06: 31 New
                -1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                It does not correspond to the RF on many points. I judge by the local pyaterochka where I constantly go ...

                Answered just below.
            3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 04: 26 New
              +3
              Maybe you live in the north, everything is more expensive there, but prices in Krasnoyarsk are about the same, because I go shopping myself
              Milk 50 rubles, bread - 30 rubles, rice - I don't take,
              eggs - 40r, chicken - 150r, breast - fillet - 190, cheese - from 400 to 1500, for there are a million varieties and producers, potatoes - 26r fresh harvest, tomatoes - from 100r, oranges - from 80, bananas - 70, apples from me :),
              1. kjhg
                kjhg 21 August 2020 06: 30 New
                -1
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Maybe you live in the north

                I live in the Volga region. The comparison shows the average prices in Russia according to Rosstat data. Compared to mine, they are understated.
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                but prices in Krasnoyarsk are about the same, because I go shopping myself
                Milk 50 rub

                I personally always take milk Buttermilk 2,5%... A 0,9 liter package costs five and a magnet the same - 75 rubles. This is significantly more than indicated in the comparison ($ 0,85 = 62 r per liter).
                bread - 30 rubles
                As for bread, I also always take a black loaf of Darnitsky made in accordance with GOST. 0,7kg - 42 rubles, slightly higher than in comparison ($ 0,47 = 34 rubles per 500gr). Yes, there are cheaper ones, but the quality is rubbish.
                eggs - 40r
                I take eggs from a local producer at 65 rubles per 10 pcs. In the table, $ 0,88 = 64 rubles. In the suburbs you won't find less than 75 at all. All normal for 80 rubles.
                chicken - 150 rubles, breast - fillet - 190
                Well, why are you lying, and even so much? Breast fillet for less than 270r, non-stock, does not happen at all.
                rice - don't take
                Of course you don't, the prices are oh what biting steel. Even Krasnodar is already worth more than 110 rubles. it $ 1,5. Although, in comparison, the price tag is very much understated ($ 0,93).
                Roughly the same for the rest of the points. Prices are [b] average
                by the year, and not on fresh harvests, when price tags fall at times, not on expired stock and not on the cheapest, lowest-quality goods. Your examples about your apples, about a fresh crop of potatoes, and about 150 rubles breast fillets are simply ridiculous and insignificant.
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 07: 04 New
                  +1
                  "Your examples about your apples, about a fresh crop of potatoes, and about 150 rubles breast fillets are simply ridiculous and insignificant."

                  A carcass costs 150 rubles, a breast from 190, and what made you laugh with potatoes and apples? And I just don’t eat rice, I don’t like it, excuse me, so your maxim - “Of course you don’t take it, the prices are oh what biting steel.” wink
                2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 07: 07 New
                  +1
                  And for what you slapped me a minus, I justly pointed out to you that we do not have a budget deficit of $ 73 billion wink
            4. tanit
              tanit 21 August 2020 09: 39 New
              +2
              And there is no fresher table? This is for 2018.
            5. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 13: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: kjhg
              And so, yes, they rot. The main thing, Lopatov, set more emoticons, you will seem smarter

              I will never reach such a mind as you, even if I stop using emoticons at all ...
              But I am not complex ...
              laughing laughing laughing

              By the way, comparing prices in dollars is an even more stupid manipulation that a smart person will not fall for. For the speculative dollar rate has nothing to do with real loaves of bread that I can buy for a real salary.

              It looks like you just can't do without manipulation ... In life, or "nothing personal, is this work?"
              1. kjhg
                kjhg 21 August 2020 13: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: Spade
                By the way, comparing prices in dollars is another stupid manipulation that a smart person will not fall for. For the speculative dollar rate has nothing to do with real loaves of bread that I can buy for a real salary.

                I understand that it is difficult for you to admit that you are wrong. What can you do, when this happens all the time, then already
                But I am not complex ...
                .

                By the way, comparing prices in dollars is another stupid manipulation that a smart person will not fall for. For the speculative dollar rate has nothing to do with real loaves of bread that I can buy for a real salary.
                Lopatov, don't talk nonsense, really, it's a shame to look when an adult behaves this way. I have given you a comparison of Polish and Russian prices in the same currency. They are absolutely comparable. Moreover, the salaries of Poles are 2 times higher.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 21 August 2020 14: 03 New
                  +1
                  How quickly did you answer .... Constantly on duty?

                  Quote: kjhg
                  I understand that it is difficult for you to admit that you are wrong. What can you do, when this happens all the time, then already

                  Blah blah blah...
                  Well, how many loaves of gray can a Pole buy with his average salary?
                  Here in my recessive region in May the average was almost 37 thousand. Okay, take 36. That's 837 loaves of 43 rubles each (I bought it this morning)

                  And now, without the jabbering and the usual attempts at manipulation for you, what is this figure in Poland.

                  Quote: kjhg
                  Lopatov, don't talk nonsense, really, it's a shame to look when an adult behaves this way. I have given you a comparison of Polish and Russian prices in the same currency. They are absolutely comparable.

                  laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                  Have you reached such a state that you started to believe in the propagated agitprop?
                  Sadly ....
                  And how is it when you stop using your own brain? You can't go to work like that.

                  Even the stupid "Big Mac rating" indicates the undervaluation of the ruble at 66.51% and the Polish zloty at 51.15%
                  And you will continue to lie about "absolutely comparable" ???
          2. Avior
            Avior 20 August 2020 18: 28 New
            -5
            This will not work, the subsistence is considered in very different ways.
            In Ukraine, the living wage, for example, is 2100 hryvnia, and the minimum wage is 4800, that is, the minimum wage is almost two and a half living wages.
            All the same, the conversion into dollars or euros is much closer to reality, if the prices are not very different. In Poland and Russia, not very much.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 13: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              This will not work, the subsistence is considered in very different ways.

              This is also a problem.
              Then you must first calculate it according to a single standard, and then calculate the difference in it
              Otherwise, this whole comparison in absolute terms is complete bullshit.
              1. Avior
                Avior 21 August 2020 15: 28 New
                -4
                There will be problems with the standard. smile
                Try to determine where bread is cheaper and where it is not eaten at all
                In terms of the minimum wage, it makes sense to compare the minimum wage, there you need to take into account not the average prices, but the prices in the cheapest category.
                I think that if the general price level is approximately comparable, then the comparison of the average salary in dollars is still closer, since the prices for more expensive goods like a TV or refrigerator are approximately comparable
          3. Yaroslavl
            Yaroslavl 21 August 2020 08: 47 New
            -4
            Only narrow-minded people compare in loaves of bread) in terms of purchasing power they compare, and it is twice as high as ours, at least ... and they live better in the general mass, there is no need to engage in self-deception, and there is more production there, and there is also more order there, if you want ... you just have to see everything with your own eyes, and not live with articles and central channels ... everyone there lies godlessly ... although I don't like Poles ... to be honest
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 13: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Yaroslavsky
              Only narrow-minded people compare in loaves of bread

              Well, as a distant person, you can suggest a better option.
              Just do not offer absolute figures, otherwise I will consider you too far away.
              1. Yaroslavl
                Yaroslavl 24 August 2020 15: 00 New
                -1
                Well, that is, you propose, and I see and think, there are incomes in different countries in loaves of bread and think you are a great economist, right?) Your confidence in the rightness is especially touches) well ... I think you have not been further than Uryupinsk, and you watch the first channel. .. only this can explain such children's comparisons of the standard of living of the population, in different countries)
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 24 August 2020 15: 08 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Yaroslavsky
                  Well, that is, you propose, and I see and think, in loaves of bread incomes in different countries and imagine yourself a great economist, right?

                  No.
                  However, unlike you, I do not consider myself much smarter than the authors of The Economist, who introduced the "Big Mac Index"

                  Quote: Yaroslavsky
                  I think you have not been further than Uryupinsk, and you are watching the first channel

                  laughing
                  And you, respectively, have been to Uryupins, see "Culture", and therefore smarter than all these Britas?
                  laughing laughing laughing

                  Suggesting to count in loaves of bread, I myself did not invent anything. This is just a repetition of what a British magazine has been doing since 1986.
                  1. Yaroslavl
                    Yaroslavl 24 August 2020 16: 00 New
                    -1
                    Well, in principle, everything with you is clear tovarisch Lopatov))) count at least in parrots) but you will not live better from this) although you are told .... all God's dew) like you
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 August 2020 16: 08 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Yaroslavsky
                      Well, in principle, everything is clear with you tovarisch Lopatov))) count at least in parrots)

                      Blah blah blah....
                      How is it to sit in a puddle?
                      And all due to the fact that the horizons are limited, the "Big Mac index" on the same RBC sometimes pops up.
                      See not only the First and Kisilev laughing laughing laughing
                      1. Yaroslavl
                        Yaroslavl 25 August 2020 08: 59 New
                        -1
                        here you are an artist a) you change your shoes on the fly) with the indices everything is clear with these) this is for such narrow-minded ones like you, such indices) and for jelly and neck I told you above, do not juggle it so impudently) your idols are clearly) but about the horizon ... well, be ashamed of chtoli ... you tell us children's things and are glad) learn to look at the root, at the root
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 25 August 2020 15: 54 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Yaroslavsky
                        here you are an artist a) change your shoes on the fly) with

                        You are an artist.
                        Knowledge is zero, but the aplomb and desire to discuss the opponent is sea. After all, you have not managed to give birth to ANYTHING on the topic
                        And when he got into a puddle, he immediately began to scream about the first channel
                        laughing laughing laughing


                        Quote: Yaroslavsky
                        with indices everything is clear with these)

                        And what do you understand?
                        Well, give birth to at least something intelligible on the topic. Why Big Mac Index is Nonsense
                        The intelligible, that is, "type arguments"only narrow-minded people compare in loaves of bread"are not accepted. Use this in your environment.

                        Enough brains?
                      3. Yaroslavl
                        Yaroslavl 26 August 2020 08: 55 New
                        0
                        yes, that's enough for you) what did you give birth to? cheap comparison of s?) and I lived and worked over the hill and I know the difference in life there and here, and I don’t need your cheap stuff for nothing ... all the more, half of the site laughs at you here ) tovarisch shovels)
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 21 August 2020 13: 06 New
        +4
        Yeah, but if we compare the cost of housing and utility services in Poland, then the tale of twice the salary disappears like a morning fog))))
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 August 2020 16: 25 New
      12
      Quote: kjhg
      You probably are not yet aware that with the growth of GDP, paying off previously received loans becomes not such a difficult task.

      laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
      Tell that to Greece.
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 20 August 2020 16: 27 New
      +9
      Quote: kjhg
      You probably are not yet aware that with the growth of GDP, repayment of previously received loans becomes not such a difficult task. Well, okay, it happens.

      So you know ... Poland has been under sanctions for 6 years? Was funding cut off in the west? And so on. And the results are comparable! That's where the miracle is! Compare prices, together with salaries. For gasoline, housing, transport ... And then some sly comparisons laughing
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 20 August 2020 16: 36 New
        -1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Compare prices, together with salaries. For gasoline, housing, transport ... And then some sly comparisons

        Listen the article presents the macroeconomic indicators of Poland... And all this is presented as almost an economic disaster. I compared them with Russian indicators and they are worse with us on all counts. If you want to compare prices for all goods and services, please write an article and the whole business. And we honor, criticize wink ... Will you take it? smile
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 20 August 2020 16: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: kjhg
          and, we have them worse on all counts.

          Seriously? their debt is roughly 50% of GDP, while our deficit will be covered by funds ... bully
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 August 2020 18: 29 New
            0
            50 percent of GDP is considered a normal normal figure, this is not a problem.
      2. TAMBU
        TAMBU 20 August 2020 16: 46 New
        12
        uh ... well, the prices for food there are about the same as in the Kaliningrad region, the same as in the whole Russian Federation for industrial goods ... and housing is more expensive by 10%. and they invest more in ennobling ... it's outwardly. And if you dig - then usually, too, nothing unusual - they live roughly like the whole of Eastern Europe. Only social sphere and average salary for more than in Russia ... "for some reason."
    5. DrEng527
      DrEng527 20 August 2020 16: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: kjhg
      Budget deficit: Poland - $ 30 billion, Russia - $ 73 billion

      The Russian Federation has 3 times more population, so there is less per capita deficit .... well, you can see the gold reserves, the availability of extra-budgetary funds in Poland and the Russian Federation hi
    6. saygon66
      saygon66 20 August 2020 18: 55 New
      +3
      - Yes, and without this figure - before the regime of border communication with Poland was shut down, people from the region were overstocked there in full. You could afford a lot ... On the profits, the Poles built huge shopping malls in Olsztyn, which are probably empty now ...
    7. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 20 August 2020 22: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: kjhg
      Budget deficit: Poland - $ 30 billion, Russia - $ 73 billion

      Let's bring to the population and get the budget deficit per person:
      Poland - $ 769 / person, Russia - $ 497 / person.
      In the competition for decay, Poland wins by a margin. hi
    8. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 04: 11 New
      +2
      There is no budget deficit of $ 73 billion in Russia, please check what you write hi
    9. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 21 August 2020 07: 15 New
      +5
      what kind of nonsense about Russia's budget deficit? he was in surplus for 2 years
    10. bk316
      bk316 21 August 2020 12: 51 New
      +2
      [/ quote] [quote] the rest of the indicators are absolutely comparable.

      Oh, great how. And the fact that the GDP of the Russian Federation is 3 times greater than the Polish one (and this is at par and not PPP) is it an ABSOLUTELY comparable parameter? You were not taught to count deficits and debt burdens of countries in relative GDP numbers?
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 August 2020 19: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: vkl.47
    They live on loans, in debt, which can be GDP.

    They live normally, I have been and am on business trips more than once.
  • Vend
    Vend 20 August 2020 16: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    The miracle can be seen in the photo for this article. Everything else about the Polish economic miracle is nothing more than a myth.

    The miracle is to believe in the Polish myth.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 20 August 2020 16: 48 New
    +3
    A budget deficit in a crisis is normal. But we are proud of the surplus and joyfully cut costs.

    Given our level of public debt, we could easily increase it by 5 times, remaining within the framework of what is called a stable debt-to-GDP ratio. This means that an additional 50 trillion rubles will enter the economy.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 20 August 2020 18: 18 New
    +4
    "Nothing more than a myth"
    That's for sure. Poland is a fairly industrialized state, but not a leading power. Its miracle was aided by EU and US injections to create a showcase of the West for post-Soviet Ukrainians and Belarusians with Moldovans. Say, how good it is in the EU and NATO. Poland was given the most money, more than the famous financial collapse of Greece. And the Polish leadership is fulfilling this with a Russophobic policy, employment of Bandardogs, etc.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 21 August 2020 13: 11 New
      +3
      Rzhu nimagu)))) industrially developed?))) Assembling refrigerators and microwaves from imported spare parts and growing apples is an industry?))) Then Banderland is an industrial superpower)))
  • Irokez
    Irokez 20 August 2020 15: 52 New
    +5
    It was a miracle when apples could be imported into Russia and other goods, but then the miracle somehow dissipated and further dissolves as the war with Nord Stream 2 and further sanctions and policies to please the West in opposition to Russia.
    Guest workers from Ukraine raised the economy a little for them with their low salaries, and right now they also want to invite Belarusians.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2020 19: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Irokez
      They want to invite Belarusians.

      Why don't the Belarusians work there yet?
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 August 2020 15: 53 New
    +9
    "and the GDP will not decrease by 8,9%, as it was announced by Western analysts, but" only by 4,6%. "///
    ----
    This is nothing compared to the fall in France, England, Italy.
    -4,6% - they got off easily.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 20 August 2020 15: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      -4,6% - they got off easily.

      Do you think that Poland will tell the true numbers, yeah right now.
  • Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 20 August 2020 15: 53 New
    13
    abalde
    in 2019 Poland's budget deficit was $ 7,8 billion
    in 2020, Poland's budget deficit is already $ 30 billion
    And these clever people still teach life Belarus and the Balts
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 20 August 2020 16: 22 New
      -9
      And how much does Russia have? Excuse me.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 20 August 2020 16: 30 New
        +7
        And Russia had a surplus last year. And this year is not over yet. But the gold reserves of Russia 590 billion. Enough to cover any deficits ...
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 20 August 2020 17: 03 New
          -3
          And how much does Poland have ?! )))



          And why is the RF with such gold and foreign exchange reserves the total national debt practically equal to the gold reserves ?!

          The volume of public debt of the federal government, regions and municipalities as of August 1 is 16,2 trillion rubles... (about 15% of the forecast GDP for 2019), follows from the data of the Ministry of Finance. The amount is formed by adding up the internal and external debt of the Russian Federation, debts of constituent entities and municipalities, including state guarantees for loans to enterprises.
          Liquid assets of the state - deposits on accounts with the Central Bank and banks in rubles and foreign currency - as of the same date amounted to 17,6 trillion rubles... (16,2% of the forecasted GDP), follows from the review of the banking system of the Central Bank.
          November 2019, XNUMX

          the author decided to neigh over a straw in the eye of Poland, not noticing the log in the eye of the Russian Federation ?! )))
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 20 August 2020 18: 26 New
            -2
            Quote: UserGun
            the author decided to neigh over a straw in the eye of Poland, not noticing the log in the eye of the Russian Federation

            Stop demagoguery ... please. the stability of the RF finances commands respect among the most fierce Russophobes ... a debt of 16% of GDP is nothing at all ... Judging by the terminology, you know a little about the subject, therefore, you find a shadow on the fence CONSCIOUSLY.
            1. UserGun
              UserGun 20 August 2020 18: 54 New
              +3
              You know, countries are more respected to me, where they do not waste away over gold, giving nothing in return to their citizens, but those that move the country forward, not possessing even a small fraction of natural resources. And this is my opinion (and not only), and not demagoguery, which you and then adhere to.
          2. bk316
            bk316 21 August 2020 12: 59 New
            +2
            And why does the Russian Federation have such gold reserves? cumulative the national debt is almost equal to the gold reserves ?!

            1) And what for do you add up external and internal debt in one heap? This is illiterate because it is mined in different currencies. What would be a more impressive number of 16%?
            2) So 16% is generally undignified. Better tell this figure from your favorite FSA laughing
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 20 August 2020 16: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      abalde
      in 2019 Poland's budget deficit was $ 7,8 billion
      in 2020, Poland's budget deficit is already $ 30 billion
      And these clever people still teach life Belarus and the Balts

      The surplus of the budget of Russia in 2019 is 1 trillion. rubles. The Ministry of Economic Development plans the deficit in 967 at 2020 trillion. rubles. Next, will you count?
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      And these clever people still teach life Belarus and the Balts

      yes
  • K-612-O
    K-612-O 20 August 2020 15: 56 New
    +3
    Huh, do not have a penny? Yak so? Probably the oaths of the Muscovites wassat
    1. truck driver
      truck driver 20 August 2020 16: 06 New
      -27
      That sho you say. In Ukraine, the debt is already 100 lards dollyar and sho? But we live in niche somehow. Poland has already taken an industrial track, and you keep thinking about Polish plastic apples, you are naive. Russia to Poland to grow, yak to neba crustaceans ...
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 20 August 2020 16: 19 New
        +7
        Yeah, they were jealous and tired of waiting for the humanitarian aid promised by Mishiko in 2016. We finished the hedgehog.
        What industrial rails are useful in Poland?
        Tyazhmash? Aviation and engine building? Shipbuilding?
        How many railroad cars has Poland produced in comparison with us?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 20 August 2020 17: 06 New
          +3
          Here are Polish-assembled Black Hawk helicopters. They are exported for the police, army.
          Poland's main export items: mechanical engineering and electrical / electronic equipment and instruments.
          Main partner: Germany. Export there.
          1. Karenius
            Karenius 20 August 2020 17: 15 New
            +4
            Their Polish partner told my friends that the Americans invited his employees to their place, with a salary increase several times ... He added that absolutely all of those who left across the ocean returned to Poland within a year ...
      2. kenig1
        kenig1 20 August 2020 16: 24 New
        +3
        You will live until your overseas owner gets tired of supporting you.
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 20 August 2020 16: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: LKW Fahrer
        But we live in niche somehow.

        You remember the times of Yanukovych with longing ... Yes, it's too late. I know very well how you live. Friends in Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa write, in touch with them every day. They are packed, but the first sign of global poverty is flea markets on the roadside ... Russians have long forgotten about them.
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 August 2020 18: 36 New
          -3
          In Ukraine, Yanukovych is remembered only with a swear word
          In all parts, in the East, in the West.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 20 August 2020 18: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            In Ukraine, Yanukovych is remembered only with a swear word
            In all parts, in the East, in the West.

            Well I do not know. My friends (all !!!) longingly remember those times. About a dollar for 8 hryvnia, and all that jazz. Why did they let the country go 'hands'?
            1. Avior
              Avior 20 August 2020 18: 56 New
              -2
              They personally had more income, for example. It is difficult to imagine people who would really like, in the literal sense of the word, the bandit order of Yanukovych, with bandit overseers in the regions.
              And Yanukovych himself with his relatives and loved ones with some longing recalls those times smile
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 20 August 2020 19: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: Avior
                It's hard to imagine people who would really like, in the literal sense of the word, the bandit order of Yanukovych, with bandit overseers in the regions.

                Is everyone better now? Small business? In Kiev? In Kharkov? In Odessa?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 20 August 2020 22: 15 New
                  -6
                  People tend to forget bad things.
                  Compared to what it was, much.
                  Under Yanukovych, it was really at the level of the 90s.
                  With bandits, racketeering and others. In fact, with a parallel informal system of government. Such a mixture of mafia, racketeering and power.
                  I do not know the details about Kharkov, but I heard about Zaporozhye, type in the search Evgeny Anisimov, watching, read how it was.
          2. Karenius
            Karenius 20 August 2020 18: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            In Ukraine, Yanukovych is remembered only with a swear word
            In all parts, in the East, in the West.

            And not only Yanukovych :)
            True, I want to note that the presidential apparatus there worked much more humanely than their colleagues in Armenia ... For example, they sold indulgences for 80% of what was stolen from the state, while here they robbed all the relatives of the addressee ... :)
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 20 August 2020 15: 57 New
    +2
    hope that Germany will give a loan
    Rather, the Marshall Plan for the recovery of Europe after the coronavirus.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 20 August 2020 16: 01 New
    10
    So it was not so with him from the beginning - 200 billion of irrevocable subsidies from the EU - that's all the "miracle".
    And as soon as the amount of support from the EU was cut by a quarter, it turned out that the king was naked.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 20 August 2020 16: 06 New
      +1
      And where after that your frostbitten opponents are pulling you in Europe? It is better to live and work for yourself, on your own land, and not wait for European handouts.
      The main thing is that batska with the constitution does not drag out and integration.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 20 August 2020 16: 32 New
        +1
        Forgive me, I didn't quite understand who this "you" is and what relation does Old Man have to me!?))))
    2. We are for our
      We are for our 20 August 2020 16: 49 New
      -8
      So with him, it was not so initially - 200 billion irrevocable subsidies from the EU - that's all "miracle"
      During the same period, Russia received more than 4 trillion free gas and petrodollars in profit. May I ask where your "miracle" is?
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 20 August 2020 16: 58 New
        +6
        1. Would you deign to disclose the original source of information about 4 trillion?
        2. The profit of oil and gas companies is far from being paid to the budget;
        3. And objectively, investments in the restoration of the country's infrastructure, restoration of production are simply enormous. Let you confirm to me the figure of 4 trillion, an adequate primary source, and I will not be too lazy to you and write down budget expenditures for 10 years?
        And the amount you have is inadequate - the entire budget of the Russian Federation for 2020 is 21 trillion rubles
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 20 August 2020 17: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: We are for our
        So with him, it was not so initially - 200 billion irrevocable subsidies from the EU - that's all "miracle"
        During the same period, Russia received more than 4 trillion free gas and petrodollars in profit. May I ask where your "miracle" is?

        Are these your resources? And 4 trillion is not something that went into the budget. Oh, this poor argument in the form of "free" resources. Why do you come straight with a shovel and get it? Well, since they are free. And even more so these are Russian resources, and not your Ukrainian or Polish ones, why are they free of charge then?
      3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 07: 18 New
        +5
        "More than 4 trillion free gas and petrodollars in profit."

        Free of charge ??? What a news!!!
      4. bk316
        bk316 21 August 2020 13: 03 New
        +2
        4 trillion free gas and petrodollars

        DARM? Tell that to the drillers.
        It's you there in 404 sitting on a pipe built in the USSR and cutting free money. And even if it is not completely free to repair it. Although you don't bother with repairs ...
      5. Parsec
        Parsec 22 August 2020 01: 02 New
        +2
        You have to be a poor student in a school for the mentally retarded to assume petrodollars are free.
        Do you have any idea where, how and for what money oil and gas are extracted and transported?
        I suggest that this is not in Moscow, and it is not being transported to Kaluga.
        Svidomo?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 August 2020 16: 03 New
    +3
    It will be interesting if the FRG does not give a loan, and this may be ... They may recall a lot, the same SP-2, on the other hand, Poland has its own bourgeois, this was not the time, RP, Poland was, they strictly demanded the payment of loans ... before "Solidarity" was brought, they did it as now in Belarus ...
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 20 August 2020 16: 33 New
      0
      And their claims for indemnity for BOB
  • bzbo
    bzbo 20 August 2020 16: 05 New
    +3
    The fourth partition of Poland will be into atoms. And as always, the hegemon will bomb - he gave birth to the Polish "miracle", he will destroy it. And all because the psheks decided to separate too much from the half-brothers of the haplogroup R1a.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 20 August 2020 16: 06 New
    +1
    I didn’t understand anything worthwhile from the article - how much debt, how much it grew, how much the EU gratuitous programs for Poland and how much it can take out loans, what is the balance of the economy, how much it will take on special gratuitous "pandemic" grants, etc.

    All these data are on the website of the European Commission in numbers and in content. Well, so that there was something to think about and comment on.

    An example is Bulgaria. Grants (Covid - free of charge) for the next 3 years - 12 billion euros. Can take loans to eliminate the consequences of the pandemic - 5 billion euros. The fall of the economy for 2020 - 8.2% (forecast). The country's debt is the lowest in the EU, after Luxembourg. The average salary is 605 euros. European funds for the country (free of charge) are about 3.5 billion euros per year. The industry's share in the economy is 28%. Exit to the growth of the economy, after the pandemic - 2021 (forecast).

    Here is the main dossier over which you can build theses.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 20 August 2020 16: 10 New
      +2
      Psheks on covid were promised 50 with a kopeck yards when they approved this printing roller.
      But these will be printed candy wrappers exclusively for saving the EU and under the control of Deutsche Bank and the EU Central Bank, which you also know where.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 20 August 2020 16: 16 New
        +3
        Psheks on covid were promised 50 with a kopeck yards when they promised this printing shaft.
        But these will be printed candy wrappers exclusively for saving the EU and under the control of Deutsche Bank and the EU Central Bank, which you also know where.


        Well, actually, the EU has distributed 980 lard, it seems, help for everyone. If you gave the Poles 50, this is very serious money. We were given a total of 19 (12 free of charge and 7 loans) and I am amazed at how the EU is giving out huge amounts. And this is for 3 years and only to eliminate the consequences of the pandemic.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 20 August 2020 16: 22 New
          +1
          Only here the big question is who and how will manage this attraction of generosity?
          And no matter how it turns out later like with Greece, German and French concerns and banks will buy everything with the same money
        2. DrEng527
          DrEng527 20 August 2020 16: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          and I am amazed how the EU is giving out huge sums

          free cheese in a mousetrap ... hi
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 20 August 2020 16: 38 New
        +6
        If 50 - Poland will receive about 160 billion euros from the EU recovery fund "Poland will receive about 125 billion euros in direct subsidies. This is an amount that has never been," Morawiecki said, adding that together with loans, the amount that Poland will receive will amount to about 160 billion euros. https://ria.ru/20200721/1574627609.html
    2. UserGun
      UserGun 20 August 2020 17: 27 New
      -2
      Colleague, the main message of this "analytical" article is to shift the focus of the economic problems of the Russian Federation to "enemies". Preempt the vehicle and in every possible way to powder the brain))) Only now such authors forget that in fact the Russian Federation has much more serious problems. Nobody will give her money, for the sanctions, despite the intensified demonstration of their bins. And these bins are a dead weight, not bringing ANYTHING to their economy. Develop nothing... The bottom line? RF GDP below the plinth. Poland, for example, has practically no free money, they are in business. Result? GDP is several times higher than the RF.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 21: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: UserGun
        RF GDP below the plinth. Poland, for example, has practically no free money, they are in business. Result? GDP is several times higher than the RF.


        I do not understand people who lie on such easily verifiable questions.
        We take GDP at par (IMF) - Russia 1.67 trillion dollars, Poland 580 billion dollars. It's 2018.
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 20 August 2020 22: 22 New
          -4
          Excuse me. hurried, disgraced the honor of the sofa iksperd))) thanks for correcting. You may think further that I am lying))) Of course, GDP GROWTH. which actually characterizes the development of the country's economy. Of course, I will sprinkle ashes on my head))) but I hope anyone interested will understand what the point is. Some kind of lower and "unnecessary" Poland makes dashing and easy in the growth of GDP "a separate civilization" with bags of dough in the bins. and really huge reserves of nishtyag.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 22: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: UserGun
            You may think further that I'm lying)))


            "Once you have lied" (c.)
            What can't you do for a nice word?
            1. UserGun
              UserGun 20 August 2020 22: 35 New
              -3
              And what can you not do for the catchphrase ?! ))) If they correct me, then I am always for amendments in the case. I won't stick my head in the sand like an ostrich. I am not God and not an absolute, and I can mow, however, as you too. I have already answered and corrected above.
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          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 07: 23 New
            +2
            "Of course, GDP GROWTH, which actually characterizes the development of the country's economy"

            Semi truth is even worse than outright lies.
  • thinker
    thinker 20 August 2020 16: 11 New
    0
    But the contract for 32 pieces of F-35 was signed fool
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 20 August 2020 16: 19 New
    -7
    Because they were robbed, killing the industry. Now they are robbing Ukraine. laughing
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 August 2020 16: 19 New
    +1
    Apparently, they again hope that Germany will give a loan at a sparing interest rate in order to pay off debts on past loans.
    And who opposed Germany on the "Nord Stream-2" and supported the United States. Here the Germans have not forgotten and will not forgive, but the very beloved and kissed states, in the words of Trump, will say, "You haven't paid us yet for the commissioning of our 3rd Armored Brigade."
  • askort154
    askort154 20 August 2020 16: 27 New
    +5
    How to pay on loans? .....
    ... The representatives of the economic bloc of the Polish government prefer not to answer this question.


    Others will pay! Follow up.
    EU assistance to Poland since 2007 to 2013 - 67 billion euros.
    2013 to 2020 - 86 billion euros.
    On average - 11 billion euros per year (300 per person).
    2021 to 2027 Brussels cuts $ 37 billion
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 20 August 2020 17: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      2021 to 2027 Brussels cuts $ 37 billion

      Only now Europe wants to turn green and all sorts of Green Deals or the "European Green Agreement" begin, under which funds appear - the Fair Transition Fund (Poland will receive € 2 billion out of € 7,5 billion), and there is also more - the Poles have a lot of coal stations , you need a lot of money, otherwise it will not work out by 2050
  • yustas
    yustas 20 August 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    EH, the pressing question is how to pay off loans (for me, I would create a single fund to support the residents of the Russian Federation, and invest three rubles there from all able-bodied people, and from this fund help those who really need, and not billionaires who already have everything well(
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 20 August 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    probably planning to rob Belarus bully
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 20 August 2020 16: 41 New
    -2
    The EU knows how to strip skins, but the clumsy remains and only grows laughing
  • bulava
    bulava 20 August 2020 17: 00 New
    -1
    But they made fun of Belarus ... Independent and proud Poland, which thinks that all the problems
    "EU partners will always help to decide"
    .
  • fn34440
    fn34440 20 August 2020 17: 27 New
    -3
    And the road, American shale oil and liquefied gas from overseas, will finish off the economy of "little brothers" - inverts.
    In 2018, the share of Russian oil exports to Poland reached 5%, Poland was in 5th place in terms of the amount of oil shipped abroad - by $ 12 billion.
    on Russia-shit, and oil, then, Russian eat.
    The volume of exports to Poland of our gas and oil in 2019-2020 is growing steadily.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 August 2020 17: 34 New
    +1
    All \ any gayropeyskoe miracle will die for one, two, three, when the Teutons run out of MONEY!
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 20 August 2020 18: 13 New
      0
      All \ any gayropeyskoe miracle will die for one, two, three, when the Teutons run out of MONEY!


      And the euro will collapse. In general, everyone will be bent and with him. You just have to wait and everything will be chicky bunches .... 23 more zeroing and you will heal! laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 August 2020 18: 25 New
        -2
        Looks like a vacation in some very special "sanatorium" ...
        how did it come here, sick?
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 21: 34 New
        0
        Does the saucepan get in the way?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 August 2020 05: 12 New
          +1
          Sho you, sho you, they can't do without a pot. The jumps were not in vain, the chatterbox in one volume must be somehow kept.
      3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 August 2020 07: 25 New
        +2
        Oh don't envy laughing
  • agoran
    agoran 20 August 2020 17: 48 New
    0
    Psheki are funny.
    There were three large shipyards.
    One of them:
    "At present (? 2013) about 2 thousand people work at the shipyard (about ten times less than in the early 1980s). The economic situation of the enterprise is unstable [3]. In the spring of 2013, there were interruptions in salary payments. September 26 In 2013, the Solidarity trade union headed by Karol Guzikevich [4] staged a strike at the shipyard with several hundred participants [5]. The government of Donald Tusk refused to provide subsidies for the enterprise, which is three-quarters owned by Ukrainian capital. [6]
    Alga, pick apples and kolubniku,
    The agrarian psheks have never been able to produce anything of weapons on their own.
    Even An-2 was released under license.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 20 August 2020 18: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: agoran
      Even An-2 was released under license.

      Well, why, look, what a beauty they made. True, made of wood.
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 21 August 2020 04: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        Quote: agoran
        Even An-2 was released under license.

        Well, why, look, what a beauty they made. True, made of wood.

        Made of wood, and even on the BMP they just hung it
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 20 August 2020 17: 53 New
    +6
    Well, if for the good, then only the export of furniture brings Poland about 14 billion dollars And the export of agricultural products is about 25 billion dollars. In the border Germany is goods in Poland, just like our Kaliningrad. But among other things, social programs are well developed there. Suffice it to say that on each child, upon reaching 18 years of age, is paid monthly an amount equivalent to 120 euros Small thing, but nice And the prices in stores are comparable to ours and you will laugh even vodka has become cheaper So it's not all that sad
    1. agoran
      agoran 20 August 2020 18: 02 New
      +1
      // Well, if for good reason, only the export of furniture brings Poland about 14 billion dollars //
      In Russia, I don't see Polish furniture in stores.
      Well, psheks are sold in Konig with gasoline and cigarettes, and what?
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 20 August 2020 18: 12 New
        +1
        And they do not supply to Russia.Today, there are a lot of Polish cosmetics Evelins in stores, quite decent.And in Kaliningrad, yes, gasoline, Belarusian cheap cigarettes and everything, but compare what they brought from there Kaliningrad Ask I just go there very often, before quarantine once in a couple of months and I know a lot about this country
        1. agoran
          agoran 20 August 2020 18: 20 New
          +2
          // There are a lot of Polish Evelins cosmetics in stores today, pretty decent //
          Sorry, I have a different orientation, I am not interested in cosmetics.
          I don't need to be interested, my sister lives in Konig, in Sovetskoye, she constantly chases to pshek, so the further, the more the prices are comparable.
          There used to be cheap washing powder and household chemicals, now they are not very different. Gasoline costs and time - there is no point in chasing.
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 20 August 2020 18: 34 New
            -1
            There is also a men's one.Well, if you don't shave, then it is clear that the prices are not comparable, with the rise in the exchange rate, then yes, it is already unprofitable
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 20 August 2020 19: 00 New
      +2
      - It is now difficult for Kaliningraders to go shopping ... the MPP was closed, and it is unprofitable to issue Schengen for the sake of food ...
  • Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Kuzmich Sibiryakov 20 August 2020 18: 01 New
    +2
    There is a way to catch monkeys with a narrow-necked vessel tied to a tree. She puts her hand into the neck behind the bait, clamps it in her fist, and cannot pull it out in this position. Greed and stupidity do not allow to unclench. Come and take it.
    So they caught a lot of monkeys - with a Baltic dialect, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Polish, Greek and further down the list.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 20 August 2020 18: 09 New
    -6
    Quote: RUnnm
    So it was not so with him from the beginning - 200 billion of irrevocable subsidies from the EU - that's all the "miracle".
    And as soon as the amount of support from the EU was cut by a quarter, it turned out that the king was naked.

    Which one is naked? In all the villages of Poland, mansions are at least 2 floors! Apartments with balconies with soccer field. The enterprises are working, the Belarusian apples and strawberries that we sell are actually Polish
    1. agoran
      agoran 20 August 2020 18: 28 New
      0
      // Which one is naked? In all the villages of Poland, mansions are at least 2 floors! Apartments with balconies with soccer field. The enterprises are working, the Belarusian apples and strawberries that we sell are actually Polish //
      Come on.
      Pshek have "three-field", if you know what it is. Drive across Poland, where the fields are like large vegetable gardens.
      I doubt that apples and strawberries from Luninets will be more expensive than from Poland.
      And the quality is the same.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 20 August 2020 18: 12 New
    +2
    Figures are stubborn things.
    Poland's GDP per capita is 17 thousand US dollars.
    Russia's GDP per capita is 12 thousand US dollars.
    You can say anything about pshek.
    And tight-fisted and goaty, whatever.
    But they know how to work.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 20 August 2020 18: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: Livonetc
      Poland's GDP per capita is 17 thousand US dollars.
      Russia's GDP per capita is 12 thousand US dollars.

      Moreover, more than a quarter of our GDP is the oil and gas sector.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 20 August 2020 18: 41 New
        +4
        What's the difference?
        For example, in 19, Russian gold sales amounted to more than the income from gas sales.
        In the past year and this year (forecast), Russia has become and will be the leader in the supply of grain hectares to the world market.
        Russia is 100% self-sufficient in poultry and pork meat.
        Etc.
        Russia has enough economic achievements.
        I always want more, that's for sure.
        You just need to give up the bad tradition of unreasonably finding fault with others.
        Even if they are really animals with a goatee and horns, this is not an excuse to behave in a similar way.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 19: 12 New
      +2
      And what about GDP at PPP?
      For 19 years, Poland is 32 dollars, Russia is about 000 dollars. Bulgaria by the way is 29 dollars. Turkey is about 000 dollars.
      That's how it is
      1. Liam
        Liam 20 August 2020 19: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        And what about GDP at PPP?
        For 19 years, Poland is 32 dollars, Russia is about 000 dollars. Bulgaria by the way is 29 dollars. Turkey is about 000 dollars.
        That's how it is

        PPP GDP is a trick for the poor when darned pants in their own country, with a slight movement of the hand, are equated with Armani pants in another country.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 19: 27 New
          0
          Yes, I heard about these tales. Only they are about nothing.
        2. bk316
          bk316 21 August 2020 13: 17 New
          -1
          PPP GDP is a trick for the poor when


          And to recalculate indicators through exchange rates is generally pointless.

          Take the same smomatology or low-rise construction for absolutely identical services, the Poles will produce many times more product.

          And in general, they will take in the Russian Federation they will raise the price for gasoline and gas and housing and communal services, so GDP has grown - it's stupid ...
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 August 2020 18: 18 New
    -1
    Of course, it was fun for me to learn the phrase "Polish economic miracle" from the article bully

    All their "miracle" is ograrian and is based on gasterbysters from Moldova, Ukraine and Belarus laughing And this "miracle" is filled with grandmas from the European Union hi
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 20 August 2020 18: 40 New
      0
      But it is interesting On the streets of Polish cities you will not see immigrants from Africa, Asia (except for students) Poland does not accept refugees, arguing that there are many people from Ukraine, Belarus who work for them.This is because there are more than a million Ukrainians and they want another million And they go with pleasure , because on Ukrainian, Belarusian scale they pay decent money if the labor inspection finds a worker without an employment contract, then the owner will itch for a long time And so 18-20 gold per hour Therefore, new German enterprises are growing like mushrooms in Poland
      1. agoran
        agoran 20 August 2020 18: 49 New
        -2
        // This is why new German companies are mushrooming in Poland //
        So yes, at one of the Swedish enterprises operating in Poland, they introduced differentiation for the Sumerians: the jacket is yellow, the pants are blue, well, kind of stupid, do not fit
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 20 August 2020 19: 01 New
          +3
          How did M Bulgakov speak in the words of Prof Preobrazhensky? Never read Soviet newspapers at lunch, this leads to indigestion So you, you need to filter all the propaganda Two years ago, all our patriotic publications exaggerated the news that the Polish owner took a sick Ukrainian into the forest so that he would not be treated and he died there Oh and our media were ousted, though the end of this story was hushed up And the end of this was calculated, got 15 years, and the Poles collected about 300 thousand euros and sent to the family of the deceased.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 August 2020 18: 43 New
    0
    Europe stopped keeping them and a northern fur animal crept up
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 20 August 2020 18: 53 New
    0
    The more national debt Poland has, the more furiously the psheki bark at Russia. Apparently the owner kicks, makes him work out.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 19: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Temples
    They are not given money.


    They were once given money ... Subsidies within the EU were not required to be returned ...
  • 1536
    1536 20 August 2020 19: 04 New
    0
    Ah, so this is where "the dog rummaged", as one of our secretaries used to say. Secretary General. And what is the next crime the Polish government will commit?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 20 August 2020 19: 05 New
    +1
    Polish economic miracle? Haven't you heard of this
    All this miracle is based on the fact that Poland was forgiven a debt in the region of $ 68 billion and injected into the economy in the region of $ 120 billion, that's all the miracle.
    Moreover, at that time, an extremely honest government was caught in Poland, they did not manage to take away ......... and all the miracles ended there!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 19: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Polish economic miracle? Haven't you heard of this
      All this miracle is based on the fact that Poland was forgiven a debt in the region of $ 68 billion and injected into the economy in the region of $ 120 billion, that's all the miracle.
      Moreover, at that time, an extremely honest government was caught in Poland, they did not manage to take away ......... and all the miracles ended there!


      Exactly
  • al252ex
    al252ex 20 August 2020 19: 28 New
    +4
    The economic miracle of Poland began with the collapse of the Socialist camp. Poland was the first to fall and switched to the path of capitalist development. Its economy immediately poured huge amounts of money to show all countries how good it is to live under capitalism. After the humpback handed over all the countries of the Socialist camp into the hands of the European and American capital Poland was prepared a place in Europe as an anti-Russia and again began pouring money into the economy, making an agitation leaflet out of it. "Turn away from Russia, live like we do." But the time has come when there is no one to agitate in Europe. And now I think from Poland will begin to ask for debts and slowly she will be on a par with Ukraine and Romania. But maybe I'm wrong.
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 20 August 2020 19: 50 New
    +1
    Poland is counting on "plundering" Belarus or on "alms of the United States" ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 20: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: cat Rusich
      "plunder" Belarus

      Well, how would that idea seem to turn into an obvious goal, right?
      And again, Russophobia is also a commodity - you can sell it to the States, right?
  • agoran
    agoran 20 August 2020 19: 57 New
    -1
    Here's an interesting topic.
    What is Poland?
    Nobody can be called.
    There are no minerals (except for coal, coal, yes, good, fired the furnace in Konig), what is interesting for the Russian Federation?
    NATO bases as a target for the first strike, psheks do not understand that the first will burn up in a nuclear strike?
    They understand, but that will come later, but now there may be money.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 20 August 2020 21: 01 New
    0
    Did I miss something? Poland becomes an eu donor? laughing
  • Brturin
    Brturin 20 August 2020 22: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    I didn’t understand anything worthwhile from the article - how much debt, how much it grew, how much the EU gratuitous programs for Poland and how much it can take out loans, what is the balance of the economy, how much it will take on special gratuitous "pandemic" grants, etc.

    In the EU, the money was divided, the budget was knocked out, but the pandemic has not yet ended somehow, then Italy, then Spain (German tourists are leaving Spain) ... And the elections in the states are still ahead ... who are there Democrats or Trump with his duties - a week ago "the EU and the member states did not take the measures necessary to implement the WTO decisions" - US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and duties for $ 7,5 billion were saved, and not long before that Trump "The World Trade Organization decided that subsidies from the European Union negatively affected the United States, which will now impose duties on EU products worth $ 11 billion "... Duties are a blow to donor countries, not fatal, but ... Coronavirus, elections ... when it settles, then we will count
  • Sloven
    Sloven 20 August 2020 23: 52 New
    +1
    Lyakhia got her bearings on time and got to the right time with the right offer of Russophobia and a sort of border buffer country between the EU and Russia, for which she was well paid.
    In other words, it was sold.
    And, interestingly, I took the debt money according to the scheme as from the owners. Build up debt like a snowball.
    In particular, because of this, there is such an idea that she actively participated in the Ukrop Maidan and now in the Belarusian one. Attracts new members of a kind of "financial pyramid". Those. like "if you want to continue to receive money, bring sucker" expands markets for the EU and yourself. New attracted suckers get nothing, but the attracted suckers get everything.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 20 August 2020 23: 55 New
    0
    The period of external economic "feeding" of the Polish "state" is coming to an end. Will she be able to stand on her own (clumsy) legs?
  • chuykooleg
    chuykooleg 21 August 2020 11: 53 New
    0
    UDuda's cheeks can already be seen from the back, probably from an apple strudel cooked on credit on Norwegian gas
  • musorg
    musorg 21 August 2020 12: 40 New
    0
    For the last two years, some apples have been cracked, overstrained, but who should work? Well, the Ukrainians have rushed in and they are helping!
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 21 August 2020 20: 17 New
      -1
      By the way, there is a lot of schadenfreude about Polish apples.In those days, we had a lot of them, the whole city was littered, another 600 km and everything and the price was impressive 1 euro for 4 kg (procurement), as they stopped, then the price skyrocketed and up to has not fallen yet And the Poles have not disappeared In the first year after our anti-sanctions, all the victims received substantial compensation from the EU, and today they are already buying up all the apples. Almost in June, the EU found good markets And who suffered.?
  • sualeks
    sualeks 21 August 2020 15: 33 New
    +1
    My attitude towards Poland is not the best, only because they always stick their nose where they should not, and they try to do it more actively and louder than anyone, forgetting about history. But when I crossed the border between Russia and Poland (Kaliningrad region) on a tourist trip, I felt ashamed of Russia. By the way, the situation on the border with China is the same.
  • Tota
    Tota 21 August 2020 16: 57 New
    0
    And they will also support American bases for their budget, which they build at the expense of their taxpayers.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 21 August 2020 18: 12 New
    0
    So that's great! And if Germany grows smarter and reconsiders its approach, it will be great! wink
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 23 August 2020 17: 45 New
    +1
    It’s interesting how many spiteful critics about Poland are here. Alas, I have to dispel some myths. Thousand and then for some reason until the age of 30 (the eleventh grader does not need anything) So in the same Poland, for each child, regardless of family income, an amount equivalent to 10 euros is paid monthly, i.e. the same 16 rubles And for children under 120 a life
    1. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 24 August 2020 15: 11 New
      +1
      Sergey, I completely agree with you ... and the comments that praise our economy, which simply does not exist .. it becomes very annoying and painful, because these people blindly believe the propaganda of the central channels, they believe this base lie about the greatness of themselves and the stupidity of others. ..but after all, the picture of our life is not very attractive, even in comparison with Poland ... why do people get so much stupidity and ignorance ... a nightmare