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The first victim of the truce. Who will be responsible for the killed militia?

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The first victim of the truce. Who will be responsible for the killed militia?

Loss again



As reported by the republican media with reference to the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire (JCCC), on August 15, not far from the village of Logvinovo, Ukrainian snipers opened fire on the positions of the people's militia, as a result of which a fighter of the 7th Chistyakovskaya brigade NM LNR died. In connection with the violation of the ceasefire, the head of the LPR Leonid Pasechnik made a statement, in which, of course, he demanded that an armistice be observed, etc. This traditionally ended the reaction of the official Lugansk.

In response, the Ukrainian representatives of the JCCC published a report in which they deny the violation of the ceasefire by the Ukrainian side. At the same time, the Ukrainian media erupted with an avalanche of fantastic stories, in the bottom line, boiling down to the following: two fighters of the NM LPR, in connection with constant bullying by the command, tried to cross the line of demarcation in order to surrender to the Ukrainian military, but the “barriers” (sic!) opened sniper fire on the fugitives, as a result of which one of them died, and the second surrendered to the valiant Ukrainians. He had with him a pack of narcotic pain medication, a mobile phone and a military ID.

Time for mind-blowing stories


History this one does not stand up to criticism. Why was the deserter (according to the Ukrainian media, he responds to the call sign "Murzik") was on the line of contact in civilian clothes and what made him risk his life, health and freedom, trying to cross the line of demarcation filled with mines? Why didn't the "terrorist" simply go AWOL in order to take advantage of the advertised "Come Back Home" program of the SBU and cross the border with Ukraine in a safer way? Finally, where did the "terrorist Murzik" get a military ID, which lacks specialty and information about education, and instead of the institution that issued the document, something strange is indicated: "at the department of the LC LPR in Alchevsk"? It looks incredible.

It is clear that all these inconsistencies are not so important for the Ukrainian special services and Ukrainian justice and, most likely, the detainee has a very distant relationship to the People's Militia of the LPR, but for Kiev (as well as for Ukrainians who believe in any nonsense) this is not important. What is important is what will be the reaction of the LDNR and those forces that explicitly or covertly ensure the observance of the ceasefire. And this reaction, apparently, is completely toothless and completely beneficial to the Ukrainian side.

Like targets in the shooting range


As a result, the republics again return to an absurd and deliberately losing position, when the fighters of the NM LDPR turn into targets in the shooting range: they are hostages of the situation, they are invited to die in cold blood and unrequitedly at the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in case of retaliation, go to places of detention. At the same time, the composure of the authorities, as if satisfied with a note of protest (oh, if it would have brought a person back to life!), And the silence of the republican media about whether a check is being carried out, whether the guilty person has been identified and what punishment he will incur, suggests that Donetsk and Luhansk is quite capable of observing the ceasefire, but they have no power to achieve the same from the enemy.

It is easy to guess that if the death of a soldier of the People's Militia of the LPR goes unpunished, the Ukrainian military will take this as a signal to open a safari on the defenders of the LPR. This means that the sniper fire will be followed by mortar fire, and the first victim - new ones. The whole question is how long the NM LDNR soldiers will agree to be submissively subjected to methodical shooting and whether such a practice will end, if not unrest, then certainly with massive refusals to extend the contract and SOCH.
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  2. Asad
    Asad 20 August 2020 04: 35 New
    -2
    Probably the author has a solution how to get out of a difficult situation? What exactly needs to be done !?
    1. mole
      mole 20 August 2020 05: 07 New
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      Quote: ASAD
      Probably the author has a solution how to get out of a difficult situation? What exactly needs to be done !?

      Is the author in a leadership position? Specifically something can do?
      Even if the author has a solution to how to get out of a difficult situation, he still cannot do anything. But given the articles he wrote earlier, those on whom decision-making depends, still do it their own way!
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 August 2020 05: 08 New
      +2
      Military Review Requires verification
      Belarus will no longer be the same
      Yesterday, 18: 00
      345

      I wonder what happened to yesterday's article by R. Skomorokhov? comments do not show, "requires verification" ... the author is incriminated with something? freedom of speech?
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 20 August 2020 05: 20 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        Military Review Requires verification
        Belarus will no longer be the same
        Yesterday, 18: 00
        345

        I wonder what happened to yesterday's article by R. Skomorokhov? comments do not show, "requires verification" ... the author is incriminated with something? freedom of speech?

        Believe me, soon many authors will ask to delete their "creations". For every fake you will have to answer, especially if it is not a fake.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 20 August 2020 05: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Senka Naughty
          Believe me, soon many authors will ask to delete their "creations". For every fake you will have to answer, especially if it is not a fake.
          but the comments are hidden ... why? request
          1. Senka naughty
            Senka naughty 20 August 2020 18: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: Dead Day
            Quote: Senka Naughty
            Believe me, soon many authors will ask to delete their "creations". For every fake you will have to answer, especially if it is not a fake.
            but the comments are hidden ... why? request

            The arguments and facts in the comments cast doubt on the impartiality of the article. To be honest, I did not have time to look through the comments. But the tendency is that the further this "mess" goes, the further the authors of these articles are "carried". Many are simply annoyed by the open stupidity with which the "indisputable facts" of the lawlessness of the authorities in Berorus are brought up. Photos processed in Photoshop, fake videos of the procession of protesters somewhere in the gateways. Beatings of children, after which employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are hospitalized. The degree of this absurdity is growing, and the curators of this circus have already begun to understand this. During the "pause" they took.
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 20 August 2020 06: 46 New
        +7
        Well, I wrote yesterday that in an article about Belarus, an article, the author, like Lobachevsky, tried to prove that parallel lines intersect. You yourself remember that he put everything there.
    3. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 20 August 2020 07: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      Probably the author has a solution how to get out of a difficult situation? What exactly needs to be done !?

      And where is the author here?
      The author described the event based on facts. The purpose of the Author is to convey information, and not to lead the militia and police on Dombas.
      We, too, can only discuss this, propose (among ourselves) something of our own, express our opinion.
      I do not exclude that in the discussions there will be something really sensible and someone will listen.
      IMHO
    4. iouris
      iouris 20 August 2020 10: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: ASAD
      What exactly needs to be done !?

      ... and where and with whom, specifically, should you do it?
      Approx. Today the SBU capture group "worked" in Moscow. ("Hey, where is the government looking!" ("Alice in Wonderland", audio story))
    5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 August 2020 23: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      there is a solution

      Only the blind cannot see the solution here. The "demarcation line" should become a state border guarded by our border guards. The people's militia joins a new formation as part of the 8th Guards, together with the 150th Idritsko-Berlin division and other units and formations, it becomes the cover of the "Ukraine" direction. And that's all.
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 20 August 2020 04: 54 New
    -2
    Ukrainians. apparently so stupid that the soldier could not fill in correctly, maybe the photo was with the general's shoulder straps.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 20 August 2020 07: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Free Wind
      Ukrainians. apparently so stupid that the soldier could not fill in correctly, maybe the photo was with the general's shoulder straps.

      No, they are not stupid. They play their own game. Resetting fakes is also a war, only by other forces and here their own rules. The mass character is important, and there ... there are a lot of deep monitors - they will spread their wretched thinking to other minds. Few will remember, but when another fake catches your eye. remember this information too ...
      Most of our news is read only by the title and the first 2-3 words.
      IMHO
  4. Avior
    Avior 20 August 2020 06: 39 New
    +1
    Unclear.
    So the LPR authorities recognize that this is their fighter or not?
  5. Undecim
    Undecim 20 August 2020 07: 17 New
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    It is clear that all these inconsistencies are not so important for the Ukrainian special services and Ukrainian justice.
    And for the author too, because he writes, to put it mildly, a lie.
    The death of a soldier of the 7th Chistyakovskaya brigade and the surrender of the LPR sniper are different, unrelated events that occurred in different places with a time difference of at least a day. The soldier was killed in Logvinovo, and the sniper surrendered in Luhansk, just going AWOL.
    1. BAI
      BAI 20 August 2020 09: 19 New
      0
      What is not true? The author writes (perhaps tongue-tied) that in response to one event, Ukraine pulled another event by the ears. You need to find fault with these words:
      August 15 not far from the village of Logvinovo Ukrainian snipers opened fire on the positions of the people's militia, as a result of which a soldier of the 7th Chistyakovskaya brigade of the NM LPR died.

      There was only one shot.
      “There was a single shot ... I took a step back, turned, and my friend was already lying ... I quickly informed the command. Other servicemen came and we took him to the evacuation zone. While we were transporting him, his pulse was still being felt. The guy was cheerful, always and everywhere first, he loved life, ”said a serviceman who witnessed the tragedy
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 August 2020 11: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      And for the author too, because he writes, to put it mildly, a lie.


      This is nothing new for Makhov.

      From time to time, he gives out such "prophecies" about the DNR and LNR, that at least stand still fall.
      Quote: Undecim
      The death of a soldier of the 7th Chistyakovskaya brigade and surrender of the LPR sniper prisoner - these are different, unrelated events that occurred in different places with a time difference of at least a day. The soldier died in Logvinovo, and sniper surrendered in Lugansk, just going AWOL.


      You are also right about the non-interconnectedness of these two different events.
      Further, your correctness has dried up (regarding the text highlighted in the quote) ...

      Why was the deserter (according to the Ukrainian media, he responds to the call sign "Murzik") was on the line of contact in civilian clothes and what made him risk his life, health and freedom, trying to cross the line of demarcation filled with mines? Why didn't the "terrorist" simply go AWOL in order to take advantage of the advertised program of the SBU "Come back home" and cross the border with Ukraine in a safer way? Finally, where did the "terrorist Murzik" get military ID without specialty and information about education, and instead of the institution that issued the document, something strange is indicated: "at the department of the LC LPR in Alchevsk"


      Missing entry SPECIALTY (VUS) ... Have you already reported that it was a sniper ...

      Perhaps for you personally (only you, you about this, please nobody else, okay ?) I will inform you that in the staff of the rifle and motorized rifle units of the NM DNR and LPR there are no snipers, in general, as a class, and it is they who bear the main burden of deterrence on the first line of defense ...
      Although according to the Soviet staff, each MSO must have a sniper. But we don't have them. Other structural organization yes

      The sniper in our positions, these are people who come. I came in, got a mess, and left... Therefore, it is all the more doubtful your statement that the deserter was a sniper ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 20 August 2020 12: 00 New
        +1
        you have already reported that it was a sniper ...
        This is a technical misprint, purely mine. And thanks for the information.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 August 2020 12: 51 New
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          Quote: Undecim
          you have already reported that it was a sniper ...
          This is a technical typo, purely mine.


          But it is written, then with a FEATHER ... Some Indian will read it, and will carry it further "to the masses" ...
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 20 August 2020 13: 00 New
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            Compared to the scribble that the Indians are cared for here, my typo is a vanishingly small value.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 20 August 2020 13: 05 New
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              Quote: Undecim
              Compared to the scribble that the Indians are cared for here, my typo is a vanishingly small value.

              But even every ram should be responsible for his own.
              Without awareness of responsibility for what he does, and what consequences this may entail, there is no man.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 20 August 2020 13: 09 New
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                Very useful commentary. True, you yourself, to put it mildly, are not burdened by its observance. But, as they say, the size of objects in your own and someone else's eye is significantly different.
                All the best.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 20 August 2020 13: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Very useful commentary. True, you yourself, to put it mildly, are not burdened by its observance.

                  Yes ? Are there any examples? Where do I distort the facts, or misinform about the situation in our country or in the suburbs ...?

                  Or mistakes, for which I did not apologize later ...
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 20 August 2020 13: 15 New
                    -4
                    Yes ? Are there any examples?
                    At the moment - 3605 comments. Well, a dozen or two can be thrown away. The rest are examples.
                    Once again, all the best.
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 20 August 2020 13: 16 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Undecim
                      At the moment - 3605 comments. Well, a dozen or two can be thrown away. The rest are examples.

                      That is,in fact nothing.

                      Then, following the example of Ilya Muromets, I should all of you sprinkle with chalk, indiscriminately so that without options ...
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 20 August 2020 13: 18 New
                        -1
                        I wrote about the size of objects in my own and someone else's eyes above.
                        For the third time all the best.
  6. Karabin
    Karabin 20 August 2020 08: 03 New
    +1
    As a result, the republics again return to an absurd and deliberately losing position, when the fighters of the NM LDPR turn into targets in the shooting range: they are hostages of the situation, they are invited to die in cold blood and unrequitedly at the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in case of retaliation, go to places of confinement.

    How else? There is no alternative to the Minsk agreements (C) am
  7. BAI
    BAI 20 August 2020 09: 04 New
    0
    The first victim of the truce. Who will be responsible for the killed militia?

    No one. The escalation of the conflict is not far off. Here the author is right. Impunity encourages further action.
  8. And why do you need
    And why do you need 20 August 2020 12: 21 New
    +1
    To get an answer I would like to know if he had a Russian passport?
  9. Today
    Today 20 August 2020 16: 54 New
    -6

    Is that a fake too?
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 August 2020 00: 01 New
      -3
      https://twitter.com/Chetki_Lugansk/status/1294746514863149057
  10. Dargavs
    Dargavs 21 August 2020 09: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: Avior
    https://twitter.com/Chetki_Lugansk/status/1294746514863149057

    Since when did the citizens of Israel join the information, civil war between the citizens of Ukraine? You puff for someone, or you don't care whose fake to lay out. This is actually the life of people and you are just a peddler of rumors and gossip that have no confirmation.
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 August 2020 11: 05 New
      -4
      I'm even curious how you determined that I am an Israeli citizen?
      I just posted a link so everyone can look at the source and rate it personally.
      What excited you so much? Didn't you like the source? Lugansky, like? Or not?
  11. Cristall
    Cristall 22 August 2020 23: 14 New
    +1
    the very news of the arrest

    The OOS Facebook has a video of the interview of the detainee.
    Everything is standard. Defectors in this war are frequent.
    Moreover, according to the SBU program.
    And those killed from this war are used for their own purposes for a long time, and it does not matter who they were killed - everything counts towards the information war - "They are so cruel and they have killed the poor fellow again."
    It's just that on VO it is clear that there is only one bright side, and opponents are enemies. And they only pull on one side.