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Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka: Russia finds itself in a difficult position

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Events in Belarus are fraught with very serious consequences for our country. The question arises, what to do and whom to support Russia in this situation?


For a long time, Belarus was the closest partner and ally of the Russian Federation in the entire post-Soviet space. Alexander Lukashenko was almost the only post-Soviet leader who showed a sincere commitment to an alliance with Moscow. But in recent years the situation has changed: a "black cat" ran between Moscow and Minsk. Lukashenka began to criticize Russia and reproach him with an unfair attitude towards Belarus. In turn, Moscow has accumulated many claims. For example, Minsk began to flirt with the European Union, with Ukraine. And, nevertheless, it is unlikely that now the Russian leadership wants an "orange revolution" in the neighboring country. There are reasons for this.

First, the Belarusian opposition does not hide its pro-Western orientation. Even if it is not as open and Russophobic as in Ukraine, one can be sure that in the event of a change in the existing regime in Minsk, Belarus will move further from Russia.

Second, Lukashenka is blamed for his irremovability: the president has been in power for a quarter of a century. But after all, the same reproaches are heard against Vladimir Putin. The slogans under which the protesters came out in Minsk are quite applicable to modern Russia. The Kremlin cannot fail to understand this. But they do not want to unconditionally support the “father” either: this is evidenced by the position of the majority of Russian mass media, including the pro-Kremlin ones.

On the one hand, they have no doubts about Lukashenka's victory in the elections, but on the other hand, they criticize the “police outrage”. It should be noted that seven years ago Viktor Yanukovych was criticized for his softness, his inability to use force to suppress protests.

Indeed, the Kremlin's position is not easy now. To speak out against Lukashenka, criticizing him for the irremovability of power, in fact means to speak out against ourselves. And Lukashenka is “not the same,” and he is not so inclined towards Russia. Moreover, if Lukashenka leaves the presidency, Belarus may be strongly led towards the West. And the Kremlin will hardly be able to stop this process. An example is the same Ukraine.


Lukashenka brought his supporters to the square

But Moscow does not really want to stand up for the so-called "last dictator of Europe", as the Western media call him. However, what are the options?

The question of the need to change the government is becoming more acute, but who can change the "dad" is not very clear. The West can push through the weak-willed Tikhanovskaya. As they say, without fish ... But Russia, it seems, has no alternative to Lukashenko at all.

Therefore, the best way out for Russia would be to search for such a figure who, in terms of her qualities and political position, would become a worthy replacement for Alexander Grigorievich, but at the same time would demonstrate great loyalty to Moscow. This will not be an easy task, since in 25 years Lukashenko has cleared the political field quite well, and not so much from pro-Western politicians, but from his potential competitors - those who could play on the pro-Russian orientation of Belarus, on the same national and social values ​​as "Dad".

However, while the search for a figure is going on, in no case should the Kiev scenario be allowed to repeat in Minsk. So far, the Belarusian authorities have enough of their own power resources to suppress riots: Minsk is coping with the forces of riot police and internal troops, even without involving parts of the Belarusian army. So, fortunately, Moscow does not face the question of any military assistance to the Belarusian authorities.

But the situation can change. And so far only one thing is clear: Lukashenka should not be removed as a result of mass protests under pro-Western or anti-Russian slogans, which is basically the same. He must leave, but leave peacefully, handing over power to an adequate and pro-Russian-minded successor. This would be a plus for Russia.

But can this scenario, beautiful in theory, be implemented in practice? Indeed, in fact, the problems of modern Belarus and modern Russia have a certain similarity, and sooner or later, but the question of the need to renew the highest power will arise in our country. Many experts believe that what is happening in Belarus today is a rehearsal of what can happen in Russia in 2024. That is why it is important for the Kremlin to make a move on the geopolitical chessboard right now that would not lead to mate for itself. Will there be enough time, considering how events are developing in the republic, for a second, which is part of the Union State? Or is it time trouble from an insufficiently balanced analysis of the situation carried out on the eve of the elections in Belarus? ..
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  1. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 17 August 2020 16: 28 New
    -25
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him? There are no posters or slogans against Russia. Ideally, we need to lead the protest and put a pro-Russian candidate at the head of state. So far, the EU is replaying by opposing Lukashenka.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 17 August 2020 16: 35 New
      -21
      There is no need for "us" to overpower on our sorosy opinion .. ideally - neutralization of financial and motivational centers. And everything will be fine
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 17 August 2020 17: 05 New
        +1
        Russia has no choice but to stand up for Lukashenka, because if someone comes instead of him who does not combine two qualities at the same time:

        1) uses longing for the USSR as an ideological basis
        2) is a crook trying to pass off "integration processes" with Russia or their imitation for the revival of the USSR

        - he will not even look towards Russia due to the lack of a hopeful and meaningful image of the future for the country. And the probability of this is significant, which is why Lukashenka has so many supporters in Russia. After all, Lukashenka combines precisely these two qualities, which are valuable for those wishing to promote geopolitical interests without any urgent development agenda.
        1. sailor roman
          sailor roman 17 August 2020 17: 11 New
          11
          No, there is a way out. The military must, temporarily, until order is restored, take power into their own hands. And do not care about the sanctions, the main thing is to save the country for the people. Let it be tough, but there is no other way. And Lukashenka is obliged to cede power, otherwise the country will perish.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 17 August 2020 17: 24 New
            +3
            Let it be tough, but there is no other way.

            Therefore, almost all the security forces are in the barracks position. There will be a command from the Supreme, it will be 100% fulfilled.
            1. Kisa
              Kisa 17 August 2020 20: 04 New
              0
              [quote = AlexGa] [quote] Therefore, almost all the security forces are in the barracks position. There will be a command from the Supreme, it will be 100% fulfilled. [/ Quote]

              more or less won elections, he himself flushed down the toilet giving the go-ahead for three days of terror.
              if the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs assured that the guilty will be punished, then it is unlikely that the riot police will beat with sticks with the same inspiration and tomorrow they will be made extreme when the government is replaced
              1. karpusha
                karpusha 18 August 2020 19: 35 New
                +1
                what elections won? 15-20 % actually voted for him. That is why the throne staggers.
          2. UserGun
            UserGun 17 August 2020 17: 25 New
            +6
            "junta - assembly) - a group of military who came to power by force as a result of a coup, and, as a rule, exercising dictatorial rule by methods of terror"

            Are you, my friend, propagandizing the junta?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 17 August 2020 17: 37 New
              -1
              Quote: UserGun
              Are you, my friend, propagandizing the junta?

              Personally, I am For. Belarusians themselves are asking us about it.
              The people and the army are one.
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 17 August 2020 17: 44 New
                +4
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Belarusians themselves are asking us about it.


                Oh really?! Do they themselves even know about your "help"? No, well, go out to the square in Minsk and loudly crow what you have just written after taking espumizan)))
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 17 August 2020 17: 56 New
                  16
                  Quote: UserGun
                  Oh really?! Do they themselves even know about your such "help"?

                  Yes, here, on the site, people have said more than once that, like, help to remove Luka ...
                  Not a Cossack sent ...
                  And why the Chairman, who has been driving us around about the union treaty for 20 years, kissing passionately with Pompeo and Ze, who has built an economy in the name of Himself on our (with our money!) Cannot answer for the lawlessness?
                  For lawlessness on the streets, for lawlessness in "brotherly relationships", when we owe him life, and he regularly puts on us in the literal and figurative sense?
                  For the fact that his Immortal regiment is "not like that", for the fact that St. George's ribbon is banned, that he did not recognize either Abkhazia, Ossetia, or Crimea?
                  The other day, he was catching the word "Russians" out of himself as a curse in his televised address. And Belarusian television cut it out too! And who controlled state TV?
                  Who drove all the pro-Russian politicians out of the country? Who arrested the 33 fools and released them AFTER the rallies began?
                  Who blackmailed the Russian Federation - do not like to leave?
                  Luka has long been neither an ally nor a friend of Russia.
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 17 August 2020 18: 03 New
                    16
                    Well, let them figure it out YOURSELF, honestly and to the point, without this farce with the elections. By the way, what about our "elder bro" and the leader of a "separate civilization" did not recognize such a scoundrel in an ally ?! Mind that was not enough for 20 years of kissing passionately ?! ))) Something does not fit with "exclusivity", "clairvoyance" and "nothing to replace" zeroing.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 17 August 2020 18: 07 New
                      -10
                      Quote: UserGun
                      Well, let them figure it out YOURSELF

                      This is ONLY business of the Belarusian people.
                      Quote: UserGun
                      By the way, what about our "elder bro" and the leader of a "separate civilization" did not recognize such a scoundrel in an ally ?!

                      VVP was to break off any relations with the Republic of Belarus just because the Chairman of the Territory does not see?
                      Or completely abandon the union treaty or EVRAZEC?
                      Personally, I am only amazed at his patience.
                      1. UserGun
                        UserGun 17 August 2020 18: 14 New
                        11
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Personally, I am only surprised at his patience.


                        But I'm not surprised))) Because "bros" and both have a mania for power and obadva banal, forgive my French, n @ stabol-entertainers with absolutely the same "elections". And there is nothing exceptional in them, so as not to be replaced by something else
                      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 18 August 2020 04: 00 New
                        +6
                        Quote: UserGun
                        And there is nothing exceptional in them, so as not to be replaced by something else

                        Where is the logic?
                        If there is nothing exceptional, then the “other” is the same.
                        And the whole meaning of your statement is contained in one word: "get".
                        In what results "get" passed.
                  2. bandabas
                    bandabas 17 August 2020 20: 19 New
                    +4
                    Ours has already "zeroed" itself. Preparing to make a new default. The oligarch brothers need money.
                2. karpusha
                  karpusha 18 August 2020 19: 36 New
                  +1
                  Write everything correctly. With him only he is his own friend. Where there is a benefit for his power, he runs there. To hell with it.
              2. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 14 New
                0
                Quote: UserGun
                Do they even know about your such "help"? No, well, go out to the square in Minsk and loudly crow what you have just written after taking espumizan)))

                You would listen to what smart people say (I will assume that you are a Belarusian). While you can't even deal with your own cops, what if tanks come to you?
                1. UserGun
                  UserGun 17 August 2020 18: 26 New
                  17
                  Hospadya ... for the hundredth time I already write that I live in the castle))) True, there are friends and acquaintances in Belarus, so I'm more or less in the subject, unlike you. I worked with them on edge to the teeth of all "import substitution"))) When a bogey "Made in Russia" was hung on a Taiwanese machine with a Japanese system, slightly modified by Belarusians (Cyrillic and cosmetic design)))) I dare to assure you that lies in Belarus and in the Russian Federation does not pass for nothing and therefore get the result. Do not lie to your citizens and rave about your exclusivity.
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 34 New
                    0
                    Quote: UserGun
                    for the hundredth time I am already writing that I live in the castle

                    Then I beg your pardon.
                    hi
                    Although I am delighted with the Belarusians.
                    1. Vasya rock
                      Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 39 New
                      +1
                      Our native Minsk will not stop
                      Not prapoganda
                      Not tanks
                    2. demos1111
                      demos1111 21 August 2020 11: 39 New
                      0
                      I do not agree.
        2. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 17 August 2020 17: 45 New
          +5
          As in Ukraine the hucksters came to power, then the "junta", and as in Belarus it proposes to introduce, so "exit" ..
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 17 August 2020 17: 50 New
            +1
            Well, what else can I tell them? They will collect everything in a heap, even without knowing the definition)))
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 18 August 2020 03: 00 New
          +2
          In Italy, the regional government is also called a junta (junta).) And yet - military juntas in Latin America are collective. A leader was nominated from the ranks of the junta, and the junta ceased to exist, transforming into a sole dictatorship. Or, conversely, members of the junta took turns leading the state. And the rest of the members of the junta played a deliberative and controlling role.
        4. Alexander Yusupov
          Alexander Yusupov 19 August 2020 20: 46 New
          -2
          Better the Junta than the Creatures from Hell liberasty. And it is liberastnya who rebel.
          1. Vasya rock
            Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 41 New
            -1
            Respected people in Minsk revolt.
            And here you are, as I understand it
            1. demos1111
              demos1111 21 August 2020 11: 43 New
              +1
              Nobody likes Lukashenka at my work in Minsk. But they do not want to remove it. There is no one to replace.
              Two active, frostbitten ones who want war. The rest tell us on our way with Russia. Moreover, they said it was better to be part of a large country than Tikhanov's.
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 17 August 2020 17: 33 New
        +9
        Are you a fantasy writer? This has never happened and never will be. The military in the USSR and after is absolutely uninitiated. By the way, without Lukashenka, the country will perish even faster. Nobody will subsidize it. And to bring it to profitability on your own is unrealistic.
        1. And why do you need
          And why do you need 18 August 2020 00: 32 New
          -5
          Quote: meandr51
          Are you a fantasy writer? This has never happened and never will be. The military in the USSR and after is absolutely uninitiated. By the way, without Lukashenka, the country will perish even faster. Nobody will subsidize it. And to bring it to profitability on your own is unrealistic.

          Ukraine didn't die, did it? There will be someone to issue loans to the new government of Belarus
          1. Spartanec
            Spartanec 18 August 2020 01: 12 New
            +4
            Not perished, I agree. But even to call her a living language does not turn right))) I would say that she is in a very deep coma. But he will come out of it or still die, time will tell
        2. karpusha
          karpusha 18 August 2020 19: 38 New
          0
          And how does Lukashenka keep the country afloat now? The one who buried his head in the sand on all economic problems? We've got a kind of default brewing if you don't know.
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 August 2020 17: 36 New
        -6
        Quote: sailor Roman
        No, there is a way out. The military must, temporarily, before restoring order, take power into their own hands

        I agree.
        At least Grygorich should be held accountable for the lawlessness in the streets of Minsk. It was he, and not the chief-commander of the OMON.
        And let him answer in the dock of the court-martial.
        PS
        If the military does not take power into their own hands, it will fall into the hands of the oppositionists.
        1. Florian geyer
          Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 00 New
          -8
          There is only lawlessness in the fact that the riot police treated the protestors too softly. Few broke them, and even kindly, with a club and noise.
          No gas, wooden clubs and plastic clamps on your hands like in the USA. No kicking like in France, no horse cops like ours.
          And there is also a special technique with bulldozer blades and to remove crowds from the streets.
          1. Vasya rock
            Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 50 New
            +1
            Dear bot. I live in Minsk. I was leaving work. OMON was standing at the entrance to the metro. They beat a day. I spent two more in prison. Eeeeeeeeee bot. You're okay. Or inadequate. Come to Minsk. Walk down the avenue. For This, go to jail. And then we'll talk. You have a chip in the brain sewn up in the Russian Federation or something. You do not distinguish right from left, write here that OMON is right. 86 people are missing in Belarus. They won't be found. All. The end. There mothers and wives are crying and you tell me about the OMON type of rights. Kill civilians. The OMON is right. You are normal. Or they pay so much for the flood. So bring your children to Minsk. Let them go missing. Zhlu
        2. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 18 August 2020 19: 43 New
          +1
          The riot police were absolutely right, with perhaps a dozen exceptions. But when they shove you an awl or sharpener in the side, knock you down with a machine, throw a fire in your face, beat you with armature, then humanism retreats to the hundredth plane. Those who walked the wool got shorn. Everything as usual. Don't wave your fists - you won't get hit in the face. Not to mention the fact that these undeveloped Internet zombies do not understand where the country is leading. They are warmed up and fed 30 rubles for guys and 60 rubles for girls. If I were younger I would have supported the riot police, as in the 90s against the Belarusian Popular Front. Word and Deed!
          1. Vasya rock
            Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 56 New
            -1
            Dear bot. Shut your mouth and don't talk about my country. I walked from work in the subway. They accepted me at the entrance. They beat me for 86 hours. I was in jail for two days. We have XNUMX people missing in Minsk. If you are a fan of AHL come to Minsk, or better bring your children. Will be missing. You go there. To the northern cemetery. We Belarusians are peaceful people. But we are not sheep and there is nothing to decide for us. Sit on your sofas in Moscow and sit on. Hands off my country.
        3. Vasya rock
          Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 44 New
          -1
          I also have to answer for my health
          Which I lost on Zhodino
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 17 August 2020 17: 46 New
        +5
        "There is an exit"
        It is quite possible.
        Let's remember the 1905 revolution.
        Then the scope of the protests was much larger than now in Minsk. But, "the guards were fine." The protests died down, Stolypin's reflexes started, the economic recovery started. Comrade Ulyanov-Lenin, being abroad, was already grieving, they say, the time for the world revolution will not come soon.
        I will not dig into a complex analysis of the reasons for the fall of the monarchy in 1917, but undoubtedly, one of the main reasons was that Nicholas II wasted his guard during the World War. If Lukashenka remains loyal to the army, the police, then he will retain power. But how much?
        After all, even Bounaparti warned that "you can't sit on bayonets." Those. Grigorich's algorithm is only possible: to calm down the protests and carry out the necessary reforms
        and then it is an honor to leave, like, at least, EBNu. States like Belarus cannot live completely independent, but father must be given in the end a strong impetus to the union state and everything will be forgiven.
      5. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 03 New
        0
        Quote: sailor Roman
        The military must, temporarily, until order is restored, take power into their own hands. And do not care about the sanctions, the main thing is to save the country for the people.

        Well, since the military will shoot, firstly, Luka (he will not give up power to the living), and secondly, the OMON (to act as the saviors of the people), and will call new elections (the juntas usually call elections very quickly), there will be no sanctions. So yeah, good idea. It is much easier for the military to administer the transition period than Tikhanovskaya. This is in theory, I do not know personally, what kind of people gathered there.

        And the military has no need to take on all the sins of Lukashenka.
        1. Florian geyer
          Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 03 New
          -2
          Such military is only in someone's imagination, scorched by delirium tremens. The military would rather not hesitate to shoot the protesters, impose a curfew, set up checkpoints and start up patrols
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 20: 17 New
            +5
            Quote: Florian Geyer
            The military would rather not hesitate to shoot the protesters, impose a curfew, set up checkpoints and start up patrols

            All right.

            And why would they live Lukashenko? By the way, you greatly underestimate the military, as a rule they understand very well where the wind is blowing.
            1. Florian geyer
              Florian geyer 17 August 2020 21: 59 New
              +3
              Then what do they think about the future. They themselves will not be able to govern the country and sooner or later they will transfer power to other people who will perfectly remember what happened to the previous president. After that, the fate of these hypothetically military men is a little predictable.

              In general, think about what you wish the Belarusian people? Cops with rubber sticks are bad, and checkpoints with searches and shooting at insubordinates, army special forces and armed patrols in the streets, and other delights, it's great. Dear Belarusians, welcome to Iraq, Chechnya or even better Libya.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 22: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: Florian Geyer
                They themselves will not be able to govern the country and sooner or later they will transfer power to other people who will perfectly remember what happened to the previous president.

                That is why it is most convenient to declare the previous president and his henchmen the Antichrist and shoot him along with all those around him. Then for a long time any problem can be attributed to the dashing 90s, which directly passed into the personality cult.
                Quote: Florian Geyer
                After that, the fate of these hypothetically military men is a little predictable.

                Honor, respect, saviors of the people.
                You see. If the junta works as a transitional link from dictatorship to democracy, they stop shooting the previous heads of state just at the stage of democracy, this is its main advantage, democracy.
                Quote: Florian Geyer
                In general, think about what you wish the Belarusian people?

                Justice. This is why they came out yesterday.
                Quote: Florian Geyer
                and checkpoints with inspections and shooting at insubordinates, army special forces and armed patrols in the streets, well, and other delights, this is great

                You are dramatizing. Lukashenka's Gestapo men are known by name, to catch 2-3 thousand people - no patrols are needed. And if anyone runs away - and to hell with him.
                Quote: Florian Geyer
                Dear Belarusians, welcome to Iraq, Chechnya or even better Libya.

                They already have Iraq in combination with Chechnya. As for Libya, Voentorg and supporters of the Russian language are needed. Something is not visible that such were found.
                1. AshiSolo
                  AshiSolo 18 August 2020 20: 33 New
                  0
                  Test =) Very rude, straightforward and to the point =) Excellent comment, albeit unpopular =)
              2. your1970
                your1970 18 August 2020 18: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Florian Geyer
                Then what do they think about the future. They themselves will not be able to govern the country and sooner or later they will hand over power other people

                Pinochet-early? belay
          2. Terrible
            Terrible GMO 18 August 2020 00: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Florian Geyer
            The military would rather not hesitate to shoot the protesters, impose a curfew, set up checkpoints and start up patrols

            Yeah, conscripts will shoot their own citizens.
            And even if it does happen, then a civil war in the active phase will be inevitable.
            1. your1970
              your1970 18 August 2020 18: 07 New
              -1
              Quote: TerribleGMO
              Quote: Florian Geyer
              The military would rather not hesitate to shoot the protesters, impose a curfew, set up checkpoints and start up patrols

              Yeah conscripts will shoot their own citizens.
              And even if it does happen, then a civil war in the active phase will be inevitable.

              Novocherkassk - not conscripts shot at the factory workers for an hour?
          3. Oprichnik
            Oprichnik 18 August 2020 19: 47 New
            -1
            Most likely it will be so if they decide. But this is unlikely. Most likely, these nedomaidanschiki will jump and run, get a couple more times in the butt and calm down. Moreover, Lukashenka seems to have begun to cleanse traitors in the ranks of officials. And then it will come to reforms very much, I hope so.
          4. Vasya rock
            Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 59 New
            0
            It won't work anymore. The people rose up after 7000 arrested. All the people on the street
      6. boni592807
        boni592807 17 August 2020 18: 03 New
        +4
        There is always a way out but control must not be released for a second. The military are also people (who knows - we are different), and the "partners" are cunning and you can get a good splinter on the border without the Ukrainian Maidan. And already to wait for guests - partners to us, I think already then WAIT not long!
        And "partners" will help - do not hesitate. Just pause or relax. Examples? Example of the USSR - 1991, U "Kraina - 2014. and our 33" heroes "on the floor in Belarus - 2020. Ay, where were ours ??? belay
        China, found a way out(Tan'anmin Square).
        Then it seemed Horror - Horror. Now, applause and memories of the departed and the lost (country, opportunities, friends, loved ones and ...).
        Don't think it's BAD right now, remember that it could be WORSE.
        Possible development of the process
        1. Romka
          Romka 17 August 2020 22: 11 New
          +1
          Optimistic - optimist is a test word.
      7. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 18 August 2020 10: 34 New
        +1
        I agree with you. There is a working option. Lukashenka is now forming a government. Let him appoint an intelligent general as prime minister. And then he retires. According to their Constitution, this general will have to act as President until the next elections (about 8 months). Help with money so that during this time he has developed an image for himself and cleaned the clearing.
        1. Vasya rock
          Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 01 New
          0
          So where is the RF voice
          Where is GDP
          We were simply thrown under the riot police.
          And GDP wants a union state with us.
      8. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 18 August 2020 19: 37 New
        0
        As a last resort, it is perfectly acceptable and desirable. But how to persuade him?
      9. Vasya rock
        Vasya rock 20 August 2020 14: 38 New
        0
        My home country will always be
        With or without AHL
      10. nekromonger
        nekromonger 20 August 2020 21: 51 New
        0
        It . will be called a putsch
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 17 August 2020 16: 39 New
    +2
    Ideally, we need to lead the protest and put a pro-Russian candidate at the head of state

    Curious, how do you imagine it? laughing This should have been done 5 years ago.
    Quote: Grazdanin
    While the EU is replaying

    The EU is replaying in the information space as long as our "concerns show".
    RB is a zone of geopolitical interests of Russia, its military and economic security. We must proceed from this!
    And to help the "dad" personally or not, let our "top" think, work out their salaries.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 August 2020 16: 44 New
      +7
      Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka: Russia finds itself in a difficult position

      Question not question no And not built right no

      Russia must stand up for Belarus and its future. Repetitions of Ukraine, Russia cannot afford no ... Otherwise, further EVERYTHING.
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        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 17 August 2020 17: 02 New
          -3
          Quote: minipig79
          Just if the Russian Federation now throws some formations on support, the relationship between the peoples will be spoiled (to put it mildly). We ourselves will deal with our internal problems. In this case, no one will meet foreign military personnel with flowers.

          This is exactly how the Kremlin argued in 2014, fearing to turn the people of the Outskirts against Russia, and what does the faint-hearted Kremlin have in the end?

          Now, if the Arab League cannot cope on its own, then I think that they will not ask you personally whether or not Russia should solve the problem in Belarus and how it should do it.

          And the flowers will yes The main thing is that the army of the Republic of Belarus remains true to the oath.
          Quote: minipig79
          It's your problems. There is no need to solve them at our expense in our country. Therefore, stand up for yourself, who "voted" for zeroing.


          Hush hush stop I am from the DPR, and I know how it happens when chaos begins, and who comes to the rescue and who kills ...
          1. minipig79
            minipig79 17 August 2020 17: 08 New
            +1
            Naturally, no one will ask you or me. It is clear that the opinion of the population does not give a damn. But, for some reason in the Russian Federation, many are overlooking, in our country, in general, no one expresses anything against the Russian Federation or for Europe. We just want to remove the old ragul and the trial of the maniacs in ammunition. And elections with observers from all interested parties. ALL
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 17 August 2020 17: 15 New
              -4
              Quote: minipig79
              Something in the Russian Federation is overlooked by many; in our country, in general, no one expresses anything against the Russian Federation or for Europe. We just want to remove the old ragul and the trial of the maniacs in ammunition.


              A counter question - why do you personally (we will not climb into the jungle of big politics) do not realize that on the outskirts, under the same plausible slogans, they carried out a coup and brought an anti-Russian nationalist junta to power?

              Answer "we are smart, we are not" not acceptable no
              1. minipig79
                minipig79 18 August 2020 08: 34 New
                +3
                I see the difference from the events in Ukraine in that:
                1) We do not have on the agenda the question of what we want in the EU, Lukashenka will not let him in;
                2) The social explosion is not caused by economic reasons;
                3) Everything in our country is much more cultured: no looting, looting, nothing is broken / burned. We even clean up all the trash after the protests.
                4) We don't have any football fans / ultras, we don't have any trained groups of fighters. Everything comes exactly from any person in your house.
                5) Nobody calls any country the culprit of the current situation.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 18 August 2020 09: 12 New
                  -5
                  Quote: minipig79
                  The social explosion is not caused by economic reasons;

                  Yes of course. You're lying corny.

                  Quote: minipig79
                  Everything in our country is much more cultured: no robberies, looting, nothing is broken / burned. We even clean up all the trash after the protests.

                  This is for now. And then you greatly embellished.
                  Quote: minipig79
                  We do not have on the agenda the question of what we want in the EU, Lukashenka will not let him in;

                  It's not worth it. Others have it. In general, you have a situation wherever there is a wedge everywhere. Filthy liberota and Nazis against the relict state capitalist general secretary Lukashenko. And as always, in addition, the people are manipulated by both sides.
                2. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 18 August 2020 09: 20 New
                  +3
                  Quote: minipig79
                  We don't have any football fans / ultras, we don't have any trained groups of fighters.

                  Not yet in sight(like a gopher), the puppeteers are waiting for the right moment to use them.
                  Quote: minipig79
                  Nobody calls any country the culprit of the current situation.

                  1. AshiSolo
                    AshiSolo 18 August 2020 20: 36 New
                    0
                    I thought that there were no more people who believe in TV, but you go ...
            2. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 17 August 2020 17: 24 New
              +2
              You can call in thousands of observers ... BUT ... but who will count? And who is the real candidate to counterbalance Lukashenka? The article correctly states that the political field has been cleaned up pretty much ... and Belarus is not the country where the government needs a- la Zelensky or another weak-willed figure
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            3. Plastmaster
              Plastmaster 17 August 2020 18: 06 New
              +1
              I just can't understand. All the wishes of the crowd that Lukoshenko would leave. Now, it is added, for the batons. It turns out that everything is fine, except for this. And if it were not there? What would change? Will they stop selling Belarusian sugar in Siberia with their own sugar factories? Well, I do not mind. Will the products become worse in quality? Most likely they will. Will the rich Buratins begin to strangle each other and the people? Yes, it will definitely happen. Will they not be issued with clubs along the ridge? Yes, they will be no less, if not more fierce. And on the other hand. Those who go out to the righteous battle should expect to be thrashed. How else? Those who came out to gawk? Well, no brains. Found a show. We got it right. And on the road. So I know what to go out for. For the idiot Medvedev with his gems and renting his office. For education, with its ministers, who kill children. Medicine and much more. These are the issues that need to be addressed, and not something that sits for a long time and is more or less tolerant.
              1. Florian geyer
                Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 30 New
                0
                Well, the factories will also be closed and in their place, the mood of the shopping centers of housing and communal services will rise in price, etc.
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                    1. minipig79
                      minipig79 18 August 2020 10: 18 New
                      +1
                      1. Belarus has a really strong IT sector, which is expanding significantly every year. Shcha an enviable groom, IT specialist. Competitions are wild in universities for such specialties. A lot of young people try to get there. Therefore, IT is not a dream, but a reality.
                      2. Worry pzhl for your country, there are enough reasons, right? Comrades always laugh, who at home hell knows what is going on, but they are happy to give obsessive advice to others on how to live.
                    2. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 18 August 2020 10: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: minipig79
                      Worry pzhl for your country, there are enough reasons, right? Comrades always laugh, who at home hell knows what is going on, but they gladly give obsessive advice to others on how to live.

                      Mutually exclusive paragraphs never cease to please. smile
                      Giving obsessive advice is to come to Belarusian resources and teach life on them. And here, on the Russian resource, we are just discussing another rake run by the largest debtor of the Russian Federation.
                    3. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 11: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      the largest debtor of the Russian Federation.

                      Do not worry. The new government will come and say that all the money was stolen back in Moscow, they did not enter the republic.

                      And, by the way, you can't argue.
                    4. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 18 August 2020 14: 14 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Do not worry. The new government will come and say that all the money was stolen back in Moscow, they did not enter the republic.

                    5. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 15: 06 New
                      -1
                      Yes Yes. Pay in kind. This time by Berkut, this time by OMON. The best people in the country will be returned.
                    6. minipig79
                      minipig79 19 August 2020 13: 58 New
                      +3
                      Your position is clear to me too. I have always believed and still believe that the best people are those who create something new and better: doctors, kindergarten workers, teachers, teachers, labor shock workers, scientists, qualified engineers, farmers. Well, as a child, I was taught by Lagunov's book "The Old Man Hottabych".
                      And it turns out in 2020 that the best people of the country are those who beat with a club on the head, legs, ribs, eggs of those who are pointed to by the owner's hand. Who shoots at people passing by in a car, who walks with their hands up. TAKE YOURSELF THESE PEOPLE!
                    7. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 15: 04 New
                      0
                      And what did that aunt who you are dragging into the presidency create? What are her talents?
                    8. minipig79
                      minipig79 20 August 2020 08: 44 New
                      +1
                      Real presidential candidates were imprisoned (Babariko) or forced to leave the country on the run (Tsepkalo). This aunt is just the wife of a man who recorded good videos about life in the country, interviewed residents of the provinces, and gathered good rallies before the elections. This peasant Tikhanovsky, naturally, would not fit the role of president. But he was detained and imprisoned under such a delusional pretext (the video clearly shows the absurdity of the accusation) that they began to collect signatures for nomination for his aunt. Who never gave a hint that she was ready to be president. And her whole speech is that if she is elected, she simply released political prisoners and will hold transparent elections. She is a housewife, no one harbors illusions that she will be able to lead the country.
                    9. Vasya rock
                      Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 21 New
                      0
                      I will subscribe to every word. Everything is just like that.
                  2. Vasya rock
                    Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 20 New
                    0
                    We won't have an aunt. Take it easy. We want fair new elections. Babariko. It was clingy. And there is more. There are worthy people
        2. minipig79
          minipig79 18 August 2020 12: 23 New
          +1
          Yes, somehow too often in the discussions slips "we must not lose", "the Kremlin must", etc. And yes, someone gives advice on Belarusian resources in the comments. And so what. It's bad to be stubborn and assume that sitting at home on the couch with a coffee, you know better than anyone what is happening where you are not at all. Arrogance and swagger do not adorn a person.
          Regarding the state debt, the old man is rowing more and more new loans in order to pay off the old ones. There is always not enough money to plug up one's categorical inability to manage the state. But the majority in the Russian Federation like this talent, right?
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 18 August 2020 14: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: minipig79
          Regarding the state debt, the old man is rowing more and more new loans in order to pay off the old ones. There is always not enough money to plug up one's categorical inability to manage the state. But the majority in the Russian Federation like this talent, right?

          Actually, people's love in the Russian Federation for the talented Belarusian president - this is a strong exaggeration. Especially after the statements of this president like "Russia has neither money nor brains". And some bewilderment began to appear about how to take money from the Russian Federation - so brotherly people, but as the Russian Federation asks for something in return - so interference in the affairs of a sovereign state.
          Quote: minipig79
          Yes, somehow too often in the discussions slips "we must not lose", "the Kremlin must", etc.

          And this is normal - these are statements for domestic consumption... All the same, everything stated in the comments will not go further than them. smile
        4. minipig79
          minipig79 19 August 2020 13: 59 New
          +1
          From my belfry, I can only talk about the demand of Russians from the Second World War, why the hell did you pump the loot, we don't need it ourselves?
        5. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 15: 17 New
          0
          You are there already define who you are. Either you are a sign-quality Belarusian, now it turns out that a dear Russian.
        6. minipig79
          minipig79 20 August 2020 08: 37 New
          +1
          I'll write it more clearly. Let the Russians ask themselves the question: "We ourselves have nowhere to put the loot inside the country?" Do you need to chew everything thoroughly?
        7. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 20 August 2020 23: 47 New
          -1
          So you write in Russian. I am not a sign-quality yazyg of the aborigines of great prayer.
      2. Vasya rock
        Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 25 New
        0
        Personally, I live in the hero city of Minsk
        It is not Nada to save us, do not stop us from just living. If you do not interfere, then the world is friendship gum for 1000 years. The introduction of troops will then lose Belarus forever. Not this year so later
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 20 August 2020 23: 48 New
        -1
        Fuck you gave up. Save yourself zmagar a parasite.
  • boni592807
    boni592807 17 August 2020 18: 24 New
    +3
    minipig79 (Denis), Today, 17:08 - "...We just want to remove the old ragul and the trial of the maniacs in ammunition. And elections with observers from all interested parties. ALL..."
    recourse

    Sounds beautiful, but life is a lady without prejudice am
    Before you can blink, if the Russian Federation plunges into an intellectual slumber, then you will have, not even the USSR - 1991, not U "Kraina - 2014, and not even Venezuela with Maduro - and the" already legitimate ruler "of Guaido. No - there will be Ganduras and in full. Already now at a low start all around you from partners to non-brothers ... bully
    Who in the USSR wanted the country's collapse (see the vote to preserve the union)? And the final USSR Officers' Meeting - the people said that if we just look, then we will have to look through the front sight at ..... And then it started from Karabakh, Transnistria ...
    It's time to grow up, already 29 years have passed ... Or again ... "... Everything, just ..." negative
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 08: 44 New
      0
      Well, you know, guessing on the coffee grounds - you don't need a lot of talents. How to develop is how to develop. In any case, this is OUR decision as a people. Do you like it when your parents rule your whole life? Don't go there, don't talk to this girl, don't try it, then don't do it. So? Well, the USSR is irrevocably fucked up, Putin is the first to throw mud and shit on the great country, of which you are the legal successor. Therefore, for me and many of my like-minded people, now the RF is far from an example and we do not want the same in us. Our promises are no worse than yours.
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 18 August 2020 19: 56 New
        -3
        Is it you and your ignorant people? You at least read the ABC book to the end, "thinker" Such as you are only capable of clapping your hands, yelling away and disturbing people with car signals. Instead of brains, you have chats and an iPhone, but you yourself don't know ANYTHING and don't know how. And if you don’t want to be able to, your dream is a FREEZER.
        1. AshiSolo
          AshiSolo 18 August 2020 20: 39 New
          +3
          Listen, why did your boss say that girls are paid 60 rubles and guys 30 rubles? Is he a sexist or something? And how much do you get paid for each post? And How? Deal or salary? Or a bonus at the end of the month? Were not too lazy to register to tell what all the scum, who thinks differently from you =)
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 22: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: AshiSolo
            said that girls are paid 60 rubles, and guys 30? Is he a sexist or something?

            I said everything correctly, in prone girls are paid more than guys. Girls have more harmful jobs.
        2. minipig79
          minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 34 New
          +1
          Moron, what right do you and those like you have to offend our people? Or is the nickname overwhelmed with courage? Because of people like you, we have people who have a negative attitude towards the Russian Federation. You, idiot, do not understand that it is not with your hands to look down on someone else. What can you boast about? The wealth of the oligarchy, coupled with zero? Or that someone is constantly stealing billions from the top? Or highly intelligent shows with malakhovs? Maybe a drunkard Efremov, who cannot be jailed quickly? So we do not have such a negative, but we want a better life, thanks to our work, and not loans and handouts to the king.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 16: 24 New
        -1
        Quote: minipig79
        Therefore, for me and many of my like-minded people, now the RF is far from an example and we do not want the same at home.

        You will not be like us at all. You will be objectively worse. And this is without any options. It was just the circumstances. And nothing depends on your wishes. It's just that the world economic crisis is just capitalism, just for someone to eat in three throats, you must become a beggar, and possibly die.
    2. Vasya rock
      Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 30 New
      0
      Dear bot. I live in Minsk. I sat in Zhodino that week. I just walked to the subway and they detained me. Don't nada scare us with unemployment
      We are a peaceful and hardworking people. We can grow potatoes for ourselves without AHL. Trust me. And in the USSR, our native BSSR has never been a subsidized region. Believe me, we will live without this power and will not die of hunger. Yes, without the RF we will be tight. So we are not going to burn bridges with the Russian Federation. I am personally for the Russian world
  • Alexga
    Alexga 17 August 2020 17: 34 New
    0
    Now, if the LAS cannot cope on its own, then ...
    That is, a regional grouping of troops, which includes, in addition to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus and 1 TA of the Russian Federation.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexGa
      regional grouping of troops, which includes, in addition to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus and 1 TA of the Russian Federation.

      Quote: Insurgent
      The main thing is that the army of the Republic of Belarus remains true to the oath.

      And what does the oath of the Belarusian army say about the invasion of the country by the occupying forces in order to suppress the protests of the citizens of the Republic of Belarus?
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 17 August 2020 18: 24 New
        0
        invasion of the country by occupying forces

        Are you serious ???
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: AlexGa
          Are you serious ???

          Yes. What's wrong? If the Poles don’t drive the Leopards to Minsk, and it’s not like that, will you fight with the Belarusian peacekeepers on your tanks, or have I misunderstood something? Well, that is, you will declare that these are the wrong Belarusians, they sold for 30 (Belarusian) rubles per snout, as the head of the department announced earlier, but all the same - foreign troops are fighting the citizens of the country. What is it called in your opinion? And what should the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus do, if, of course, someone is concerned about the oath?
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 17 August 2020 21: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Yes. And what is wrong?

            Well, probably the fact that the troops present in the country at the invitation of the official authorities, that is, Luke, are not occupational. did you know?
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            then you will fight the Belarusian peacekeepers on your tanks, or have I misunderstood something?

            and the meaning of Luka to call our tanks if there really is a peace man? they huddle in the street, they shout, and soon they will want to eat, but to eat you need to work, otherwise they will not give money. request
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            And what should the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus do, if, of course, someone is concerned about the oath?

            defend the legitimate authority, that is, Luke. if they cannot cope (the Armed Forces of the Republic of Bashkortostan will not cope with the "peace man" .. laughing ) then they will call us ... yes we have experience in cleaning barmaley.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 23: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: SanichSan
              at the invitation of the official authorities, i.e. Luke

              This issue has already been considered in detail in court, you will not believe, by the Czechs.

              Inviting soldiers from another country to fight their citizens is called "high treason." CC RB Article 356, it seems.
              Quote: SanichSan
              and the meaning of Luka to call our tanks if there really is a peace man?

              Because the OMON has worn out for a week. Moreover, if the Belarusians finally cease to be such cats, the riot police will be a little busy trying to get their own families out of the country. There is no way without older friends.
              Quote: SanichSan
              if they do not cope (the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus will not cope with the "peace man"

              With whom the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus will cope - we will see this pretty soon. Unlike the riot police, they do not yet have a firing article, so there is plenty to choose from.
            2. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 18 August 2020 00: 45 New
              -4
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              This issue has already been considered in detail in court, you will not believe, by the Czechs.

              where does the RB? Or do you no longer distinguish the Republic of Belarus from the Czech Republic?
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Inviting soldiers from another country to fight their citizens is called "high treason." CC RB Article 356, it seems.

              you are very wrong. under this article, just Tikhanovskaya can be imprisoned, but not Luka.
              for reference, such abstractions as "people" do not appear in the Criminal Code, the state appears in the Criminal Code.
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Because the OMON has worn out for a week. Moreover, if the Belarusians finally cease to be such cats, the riot police will be a little busy trying to get their own families out of the country. There is no way without older friends.

              but for this, they are already imprisoned in our country, and soon they will be imprisoned here. such fascist scum as this opposition is only kept in prison and I hope it will be so ... as in civilized France wink
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              With whom the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus will cope - we will see this pretty soon.
              it's vryatli. blue-bottomed bartsuny with red ass will be treated soon yes
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Unlike the riot police, they don't have a firing article yet, so there is plenty to choose from.

              luckily these are dreams laughing but you can go to-to Ukraine and enjoy the end result yes
              PS
              there have been riots in France for three years now and no one cares, and even more so, don’t care about the Belarusian opposition. the overthrow by force obkakunkalos in the first two days, and the troops to get in the Poles and the troops zassut. so get ready! Luka will begin a cleanup of the pro-Western, and the security forces of those who threatened their families. Will you have time to escape for Tikhanovskaya? laughing
            3. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 04: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: SanichSan
              there have been riots in France for three years now and no one cares

              I was there last fall. everything is quiet in yellow vests, only communal workers on the street wash the sidewalks in the morning.
              Do you believe the Kremlin propaganda?
            4. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              I was there last fall. everything is quiet in yellow vests, only communal workers on the street wash the sidewalks in the morning.

              in Minsk, move away from the center and everything is quiet, and they will completely disperse to the aspen.
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              Do you believe the Kremlin propaganda?

              are you only western? and think with your head about the fact that if the authorities have the support of security officials and leading countries, such as China and Russia, then orange does not shine yes
              and if you have forgotten what was recently in France, then here's a reminder:



              Well? Are you ready to shout about Macron's bloody regime and that he will leave tomorrow? laughing
            5. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 11: 01 New
              -2
              Quote: SanichSan
              are you only western?

              why do you think so? I'm talking about storage, what I saw with my own eyes.
              chewed meat there, drank wine. not a single rebel.
            6. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              I'm talking about storage, what I saw with my own eyes.
              chewed meat there, drank wine. not a single rebel.

              and photos and videos are probably made in Photoshop? wassat in Minsk, move to a sleeping area and there are no protests either request
            7. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 11: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: SanichSan
              and photos and videos are probably made in Photoshop?

              I have no idea
            8. your1970
              your1970 18 August 2020 18: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              Quote: SanichSan
              and photos and videos are probably made in Photoshop?

              I have no idea
              -and the French police are outraged by the small bonuses for the dispersal of "yellow vests"

              "Police officers: the € 300 bonus" is clearly insufficient because it does not cover everyone, "says the union
              Only 110 employees will be affected, or nearly "000 forgotten," estimates Daniel Chaumette, deputy general secretary of the SGP-FO unit.
              Daniel Chaumette also demands a reassessment of the allowance "for officials and peacekeepers on public roads who have dealt with the movement of "yellow vests"and terrorism cases. "
              https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/transports/gilets-jaunes/la-prime-de-300-euros-aux-policiers-est-manifestement-insuffisante-car-elle-ne-couvre-pas-tout-le-monde-estime-un-syndicat_3106883.html
            9. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 19: 25 New
              -2
              Quote: your1970
              -and the French police are outraged by the small bonuses for the dispersal of "yellow vests"

              Well, you like to live as fakes, well, live on health. )
              In yellow vests, I saw there only communal workers washing the sidewalks at 6 am. hi
            10. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 18 August 2020 20: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              Well, you like to live as fakes, well, live on health. )
              In yellow vests, I saw there only communal workers washing the sidewalks at 6 am.

              just to clarify how much everything is running ..
              if you come to the ruble and see how they live there, then it can be argued that all of Russia lives as smartly as American millionaires?
            11. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 19 August 2020 19: 21 New
              -1
              Poor. ) Ruble is not an example for me. I live in a castle.
              And I go abroad. I don't really care about the media. I believe my eyes.
            12. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 22 August 2020 13: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              Poor. )

              rude to hint at your insignificance? commendable honesty! yes
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              I live in a castle.
              And I go abroad. I don't really care about the media. I believe my eyes.

              Not certainly in that way. you write about what you saw in some part of France, but at the same time you declare that there have never been protests in all of France. you are either a very primitive or a deliberate propaganda liar yes
  • your1970
    your1970 18 August 2020 18: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Quote: SanichSan
    are you only western?

    why do you think so? I'm talking about storage, what I saw with my own eyes.
    chewed meat there, drank wine. not a single rebel.

    I had a friend in Egypt - when there was a coup ...
    Arrived - I ask her:
    "Was it scary?"
    she clap-clap eyes:
    "Why should it be scary?"
    "There was a coup, the dead are" - the answer is a masterpiece
    "And I think, why do the hotels tell us not to go to certain streets / districts? Well, if we don't, we didn't go, we had enough shops near the hotel on the streets ..."
    There she is also didn't see anyone
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 19: 28 New
    0
    Quote: your1970
    So she didn't see anyone either

    Get lost !!! I walked around Lyon for 4 days. Well, you like to think that there are riots .. How can I help you? I say what I saw with my own eyes. There is no riot there. People live and rejoice.
  • your1970
    your1970 18 August 2020 21: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Get lost !!! I walked around Lyon for 4 days. Well, you like to think that there are riots.

    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Well, you like to live as fakes, well, live on health. )

    Strange ... And the French police are unhappy with the small bonuses for yellow vests ...
    I personally found for you FRENCH MASS MEDIA - NOT 1 channel, not RT. ...... And French ...
    Apparently they specially lied- for me and VO... So that we think here - they say the yellow vests are fake, yeah ... Follow the link, look
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 19 August 2020 19: 20 New
    -1
    I don't care about the French media. I write what my eyes see. )
  • your1970
    your1970 19 August 2020 20: 08 New
    -1
    and you, my friend, are a poyukhist ...
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    I write what my eyes see. )

    I repeat
    Quote: your1970
    I had a friend in Egypt - when there was a coup ...
    Arrived - I ask her:
    "Was it scary?"
    she clap-clap eyes:
    "Why should it be scary?"
    "There was a coup, the dead are" - the answer is a masterpiece
    "And I think, why do the hotels tell us not to go to certain streets / districts? Well, just don't have to - we didn't go, we had enough shops near the hotel on the streets ..." Here she is also didn't see anyone


    and if you have doubts, here's another example for you
    surnames M.I.Kalinina, V.M. Molotov, V.V. Kuibyshev and O.Yu. Schmidt you know?famous people in the USSR?
    1935 year-they are all LIVE(except Kuibyshev, but not yet a year has passed) and everyone knows ...Everyone ??
    "PEOPLE'S COMMISSION OF COMMUNICATIONS OF THE UNION OF SSR
    The fight against theft in communications
    (Material of the All-Union meeting of workers of the NKSLvyaz with the Prosecutor's Office of the USSR)
    MOSCOW SVYAZTEKHIZDAT "1935
    "........... Let me give you one example that characterizes the personnel. In the midst of the campaign to help the Chelyuskin people, the Moscow Central Telegraph received telegram signed by Comrade Kuibyshev. By chance, the word "government" was omitted on this telegram, but from the text of the telegram it was quite obvious that the telegram was about the fulfillment of operational tasks. Finally, it is assumed that there is no person in the Union who does not know the name of Kuibyshev... The telegram lay among the telegrams going to the Far East at 19:40. 19 minutes and only after 40 h. XNUMX m. was pulled out from under the sink into the light of day. In this case, we brought to justice 6 people and all these people did not know who Kuibyshev was. Maybe this is by accident! No, these people did not know who Comrade Molotov was. During the trial, in a hall filled with telegraph workers, one of those sitting in the third row when asked who Kalinin was, he suggestedthat this is the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. There were even more shameful things. The people who had been transmitting telegrams about the Chelyuskinites for two months did not know who Schmidt was. It seems to me that there is no such corner on the globe where the name of Schmidt would not be known. But there are people at the Moscow Telegraph who do not know him; And this is not an isolated case. And in another process, I and other comrades had the opportunity to see this ... "

    these 6 people ALSO had eyes, saw text, read newspapers, listened to lecturers - but just like you - DID NOT SEE
  • Vasya rock
    Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 43 New
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    And on the 10th I saw how the guys were beaten in front of me. Very young, they are 20-22 years old. They beat me for having a photographed bulletin on their phone. Or a telegram channel from apasm.
    They beat me so that my teeth flew and there were pools of blood. After that, I did not see them. Neither in the paddy wagon nor in the temporary detention facility. Smart guy, maybe you saw them alive. We have 86 people missing in Minsk. And you tell me about Molotov. I can tell you a lot about this persona and about his wife who wore old stuff from Stalin to the Metropol hotel and further to the west. Tell me about the guys who were killed next to me. It is known that Molotov died. And where are the guys who were lying on the concrete next to me, please answer. Or close your mouth.
  • your1970
    your1970 21 August 2020 02: 16 New
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    Quote: Vasya Rock
    you tell me about Molotov.
    - NOT for you ... Generally not for you ...
    And to the person who NOT I saw yellow vests in France ... which the French police notoriously beat ...
    Therefore, your claims are at the wrong address, not to me
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 11: 40 New
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    The last photo is interesting.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 44 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    The last photo is interesting.

    hammer ...
    if the Molotovs flew, then the protesters already receive deadlines, and not a blue bottom and exit in 2 days request
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 06: 35 New
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    Quote: SanichSan
    where does the RB? Or do you no longer distinguish the Republic of Belarus from the Czech Republic?

    You see, it is not often possible to consider such a question in court. But experience, so to speak, is.
    Quote: SanichSan
    you are very wrong. under this article, just Tikhanovskaya can be imprisoned, but not Luka.

    Of course. Depends on who takes it. During a dictatorship, the laws are extremely flexible, and during a revolution all the more there is only revolutionary expediency.
    Quote: SanichSan
    but for this they are already imprisoned here, soon they will be imprisoned here. such fascist scum

    As in all other cases, it depends on who will take it.

    On the one hand, of course, causing inconvenience to punishers should be severely punished, just the Belarusians have something to remember on this issue. Khatyn, for example.

    On the other hand, the Americans at one time started a manner of either shooting concentration camp employees on the spot, or giving them to released prisoners. For me personally, this practice does not cause any legal or moral objections.
    Quote: SanichSan
    fortunately, these are dreams, but you can go to-to Ukraine and enjoy the result

    It turns out in every way. In particular, Poroshenko served one term and left. I won't say that I like it, but the Ukrainian people decided like this.
    Quote: SanichSan
    riots have been going on in France for three years now and no one cares, and the Belarusian opposition even does not care

    To riots - yes, to insurrection - no.
    Quote: SanichSan
    Luka will begin a cleanup of the pro-Western, and the security forces of those who threatened their families.

    Well, let's see.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 13 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    You see, it is not often possible to consider such a question in court. But experience, so to speak, is.

    which one? what if you surrendered to the mercy of the enemy then you will most likely be hanged? this is a brilliant discovery! good
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    As in all other cases, it depends on who will take it.

    of course .. I just draw your attention to the fact that this booth for the euro has no chance request
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    On the one hand, of course, causing inconvenience to punishers should be severely punished, just the Belarusians have something to remember on this issue. Khatyn, for example.

    and you have not beguiled anything? not? what is there for the rags over the "peaceful protesters"? are not those punishers about whom you have deigned to write? what did you want to say? that the Natsiks under white-red-white rags need to be driven out once more through the execution on the ass if they didn't understand the first time?
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    On the other hand, the Americans at one time started a manner of either shooting concentration camp employees on the spot, or giving them to released prisoners. For me personally, this practice does not cause any legal or moral objections.
    if they forgot, then at that time in the United States there was another tradition, to shoot such performances and not at all with rubber bullets. how is it? Are American Practices Still Unobjectionable?
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    It turns out in every way. In particular, Poroshenko served one term and left. I won't say that I like it, but the Ukrainian people decided like this.
    I haven't served it yet .. but I hope to serve it and accumulate there. yes
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    To riots - yes, to insurrection - no.

    oh well you! in comparison with the French in Belarus Sunday festivities with drinking mineral water. if they forgot, then there are more than a dozen corpses and several tens of thousands went to the bunks. By the way, nobody released them.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Well, let's see.

    see yes
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 12: 00 New
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    Quote: SanichSan
    in comparison with the French in Belarus Sunday festivities with drinking mineral water.

    You are right.
    Belarusians are too kind. I am delighted with the Belarusian cats, but on Friday, when the people from Akrestsin Street went, it was time to end with a peaceful protest.
    Quote: SanichSan
    several tens of thousands went to the bunk

    What news.
    In France total 65 thousand prisoners. These are normal figures for Europe, less than a thousand per million. In Russia, three times more.
    Quote: SanichSan
    but I hope he will serve

    This is how the Ukrainians decide.
    Quote: SanichSan
    if they forgot, then at that time in the United States there was another tradition, to shoot such performances and not at all with rubber bullets. how is it? Are American Practices Still Unobjectionable?

    Where do you see the problem? And by the way, when it was shot similar performances, don’t remember? Under President F. Roosevelt, it seems? Person 3 died?
    Quote: SanichSan
    and you have not beguiled anything? not?

    It seems not. What confuses you?
    Quote: SanichSan
    are not those punishers about whom you have deigned to write?

    I don't know, really. I somehow define punishers not by flags, but by what they do.
    Punishers - they, you see, punish.
    Quote: SanichSan
    I just draw your attention to the fact that this booth for the euro has no chance

    We'll see that. There are chances, of course, but there is still more to the victory than to the defeat.
    Quote: SanichSan
    what if you surrendered to the mercy of the enemy then you will most likely be hanged?

    The Czechs did not hang anyone that time. By the way, it’s in vain. But as an educational program I will explain.

    Any citizen of Belarus is a citizen of Belarus. He's at home.
    Any foreign soldier who shoots at him is an occupier.
    If the occupier was invited by some person who calls himself the President of the Republic of Belarus, then there is high treason. It makes no difference to Lukashenka, a rebellion is already hanging on him. But for the sake of clarity, it doesn't hurt to remember
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 18 August 2020 12: 45 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    What news.
    There are only 65 thousand prisoners in France. These are normal figures for Europe, less than a thousand per million.

    do you have a ban on google? find statistics on how many were arrested during the riots in france.
    in 2015 the number of prisoners was 76111, that is, you are lying a little wink
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    In Russia, three times more.

    and the population is larger.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Where do you see the problem? And by the way, when were such performances shot, I don’t remember? Under President F. Roosevelt, it seems? Person 3 died?

    until the 21st century, only the way was shot. they did not know any other way. it would seem that civilization has come, but no. in 2020 again riots and again dozens of corpses. request
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    I don't know, really. I somehow define punishers not by flags, but by what they do.
    Punishers - they, you see, punish.

    how interesting ... that is, for you any power structures are punitive? are you not an anarchist for an hour? laughing
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Any citizen of Belarus is a citizen of Belarus. He's at home.
    Any foreign soldier who shoots at him is an occupier.

    demagogy.
    according to this principle, the entire Ukrainian parliament is time for a gilyak for accepting military assistance from the west, including instructors and volunteers, but for some reason they still don’t hang around and don’t seem to be planning.
    Or do you have invaders here, here they are not invaders, but here we wrap up the fish? bully
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 13: 34 New
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    Quote: SanichSan
    I mean, you are lying a little

    You are lying here mostly. I give the actual data.
    Quote: SanichSan
    several tens of thousands went to the bunks. By the way, no one released them

    400 people were imprisoned. Just for the Molotovs and the like.
    By the way, do not remind me, since Google is not banned, what was the movement about? Did Macron himself draw 80% in the 6th elections?
    Quote: SanichSan
    and the population is larger

    You are given a figure per million population.
    Quote: SanichSan
    until the 21st century, only the way was shot. they did not know any other way. it would seem that civilization has come, but no. in 2020 again riots and again dozens of corpses.

    And what do those killed during the riots in 2020 have to do with the punishers? Did the cops kill them?
    Quote: SanichSan
    how interesting ... that is, for you any power structures are punitive?

    Which punish? Yes, absolutely. Or is the art of the Belarusian rubbish in the Belarusian Administrative Offenses Regulations?
    Quote: SanichSan
    according to this principle, it is time for the entire Ukrainian parliament to go to Gilyak for accepting military assistance from the west

    Let me remind you that foreign servicemen shooting at Ukrainians were seen there only from one side. And this was not the West, as far as I know.
    Quote: SanichSan
    including instructors and volunteers

    "Volunteers" are in the service of their Armed Forces? "Instructors" Shoot at Ukrainians? For the Lulz, you attribute the feats of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine to the "West"?
    Quote: SanichSan
    or you have invaders here, here are not invaders

    It's the same everywhere. When this is done, for example, the Americans are the American occupiers.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 18 August 2020 14: 02 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    There are only 65 thousand prisoners in France.

    Quote: Cherry Nine
    You are lying here mostly. I give the actual data.

    Quote: Cherry Nine
    You are given a figure per million population.

    you are completely lying laughing go have some coffee ... troll's work is hard laughing
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    By the way, do not remind me, since Google is not banned, what was the movement about? Did Macron himself draw 80% in the 6th elections?

    for cutting the social sphere. and what difference does it make? there "go away" and then "go away" request both here and there full support of the security forces and the result will be similar.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    And what do those killed during the riots in 2020 have to do with the punishers? Did the cops kill them?

    Imagine. in fact, there are policemen who kill several thousand a year. check out the statistics yes this work request
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Which punish? Yes, absolutely. Or is the art of the Belarusian rubbish in the Belarusian Administrative Offenses Regulations?

    and somewhere else? maybe in Ukraine? or in the USA? so there it is even more severe. or maybe in the same France laughing
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Let me remind you that foreign servicemen shooting at Ukrainians were seen there only from one side. And this was not the West, as far as I know.
    who saw? ukrofashiks and you with them? strange .. and all sorts of aydars with the basics apparently do not exist? Or do you have special eyesight and you can't see them?
    but in the bilingcat they write something completely different
    https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/ukraine/2016/11/21/ukrainian-foreign-fighters-ru/
    it turns out that there are also punitive battalions and there are a lot of foreigners request
    Why are you lying again?
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    For the Lulz, you attribute the feats of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine to the "West"?

    not. for ukrodurachkov who are already quite pro-Western OSCE said that during the conflict no RF Armed Forces have met, but they continue to rave about 2014 manuals ... are you one of them?
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    It's the same everywhere. When this is done, for example, the Americans are the American occupiers.

    dooo wassat but if in-the Ukraine is not the invaders. understandably yes
    your theory does not stand up to scrutiny. all you want to say is that those who you like can be killed by scoring the laws and opinions of other people, but it is absolutely impossible to kill those who you like! the crime!!
    Oh well bully
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 16: 07 New
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    You should have a drink for the memory. Or there are some problems with reading.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    These are normal figures for Europe, less than a thousand per million.

    Quote: SanichSan
    and the population is larger

    In absolute numbers, in Russia it is 8 times more. In relative 3.5
    Quote: SanichSan
    for cutting the social sphere. and what difference does it make? there "go away" and then "go away"

    It changes everything. He was the president, elected by the majority of the French, and did what he promised them in the elections. This president, elected by the majority of Belarusians, was expelled from the country, and the Belarusians themselves began to be lowered. In a thieves' sense. In such a situation, it is precisely the peaceful nature of the protest that is outraged. For such behavior you need to ask the lawless people seriously.
    Quote: SanichSan
    Imagine. in fact, there are policemen who kill several thousand a year

    Again you have managed to both lie and cheat at the same time.
    1. Police officers have been killing less than 1000 people a year in recent years.
    2. More than half of those killed were armed at the time of the shooting.
    3. Police killings of American crime have nothing to do with the activities of Lukashenka's dogs. Those protect citizens, these - from citizens.
    4. Cops (more precisely, the entire criminal system) is America's shame. There it is at the level of the third world countries, and the worst.
    Quote: SanichSan
    and somewhere else?

    From the neighbors of the Republic of Belarus it is different everywhere, except for the Russian Federation. Yes, even in the Russian Federation, such beauty happens, yet, not every day.
    Quote: SanichSan
    it turns out that there are also punitive battalions and there are a lot of foreigners

    You fly again. We started a conversation with the 1TA of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and now they have turned on some left-handed schizants who go under the article in their countries.
    Quote: SanichSan
    OSCE said that during the conflict no Russian Armed Forces were met

    Perhaps, in order to meet the RF Armed Forces somewhere, you need to drive a little further from Vienna, where this (little) venerable organization is fighting for peace.
    Quote: SanichSan
    but if in-in Ukraine, then not the invaders

    Did US soldiers take part in the killings of Ukrainians? Unless disguised as the Azov battalion, I heard such an idea somewhere.
    Quote: SanichSan
    that those who you like can be killed by scoring the laws and opinions of other people, but it is absolutely impossible to kill those you like for this!

    This is actually self-evident.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 18 August 2020 17: 17 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    In absolute numbers, in Russia it is 8 times more. In relative 3.5

    at the same time, according to the data of the French themselves, there are 2019 prisoners in France for 71037, and at the same time prisons are 116% - 138% full... that is, this number is due to the fact that there is nowhere to plant request
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    It changes everything. He was the president, elected by the majority of the French, and did what he promised them in the elections.

    promised to cut the social network? exactly? for this he was chosen? belay
    It will be unpleasant for you, but he was chosen in France under the slogan "Let's not let Nazism through!" in the face of Lepen. won how .. in France they don't like Nazis in their country, but they love them in some kind of Ukraine bully
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    This president, elected by the majority of Belarusians, was expelled from the country, and the Belarusians themselves began to be lowered. In a thieves' sense.

    are you talking about bluebots? yes, mother's overthrowers did it ...
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Again you have managed to both lie and cheat at the same time.

    exactly the same to you.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Police officers have killed less than 1000 people a year in recent years.

    992 people in 2018, but that's okay. nothing wrong. here are 2 in Belarus it is of course "bloody cut!"
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Police killings of American crime have nothing to do with the activities of Lukashenka's dogs. Those protect citizens, these - from citizens.

    where is it from? Or are you going to cheat with chewing gum about "all the people"? So, remember, those maximum 40k that were able to be pulled into the center of Minsk on the weekend are not all the people, those who tried to arrange maydantschik right after the elections are also not the whole people, and the riot police just protect the vast majority from those marginalized who tried to arrange a coup. and the legal status of a coup d'etat participant and a drug dealer is the same. it is for the state criminals. and riot police wake up with them depending on the level of ogression. don't even stutter about "peaceful protests" yes
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    From the neighbors of the Republic of Belarus it is different everywhere, except for the Russian Federation.

    hmm .. on the one hand, yes. in the same Ukraine is really not like in Belarus. in Ukraine, the real Gestapo is in prisons, such that even the EU Commission on Human Rights was not allowed to go there. in Russia it is really not so. access to human rights defenders is open.
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    You fly again. We started a conversation with the 1TA of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and now they have turned on some left-handed schizants who go under the article in their countries.
    is this where we started with this? in your fantasies? well, the link where I wrote about the fact that 1TA of the RF Armed Forces will roll out everyone yes
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Did US soldiers take part in the killings of Ukrainians? Unless disguised as the Azov battalion, I heard such an idea somewhere.

    that is, is it normal? type is it possible? We will also add to this the fact that the United States is in Ukraine at the invitation of the putschists who seized power as a result of a bloody coup d'etat and staged a civil war. beauty! democracy! wassat
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    This is actually self-evident.

    actually it's called chaos. have not heard such a term "monopoly on violence". it is the basis of any legal state. request
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 23: 52 New
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    Quote: SanichSan
    at the same time, according to the data of the French themselves in France for 2019 71037

    Poor Frenchmen, they ran out of prisons. Despite the fact that over 5 years the number of zk decreased by 15%.

    I have to sit in shifts for a day or three.
    Quote: SanichSan
    promised to cut the social network? exactly? for this he was chosen?

    Yes. The French social sector is completely insane, it had to be reformed 50 years ago. But the French constantly postpone how to go to the dentist. And here the crowd of scoundrels and the mistakes of the Macron government again managed to prevent reform.
    Quote: SanichSan
    under the slogan "Let's not miss Nazism!" represented by Lepen

    This is in Russian programs for Russian viewers. They show nothing like that.
    Quote: SanichSan
    992 people in 2018, but that's okay. nothing wrong. here are 2 in Belarus it is of course "bloody cut!"

    As usual, you continue to cheat. You are trying to tie the number of murders per year in a 330 million country, most of which was formed during the detention of armed criminals, to a new heavenly hundred, which began to form in a week, not even protests, what kind of protests there are, public festivities with one Minsk in fact.
    Quote: SanichSan
    there policemen kill several thousand a year

    Several thousand have disappeared somewhere, and I see that you met the statistics during the conversation.
    Quote: SanichSan
    992 people in 2018, but that's okay. nothing wrong. here are 2 in Belarus it is of course "bloody cut!"

    I think I have already said that the criminal law system in the United States is a crime and a shame in this country. But no, the American police are not used for political terror, somehow they are not accepted.
    Quote: SanichSan
    and the riot police just protect the overwhelming majority from those marginalized who tried to arrange a coup.

    When and if it comes down to it, you are unlikely to be able to find at least one OMON officer. They will all be more concerned about ways to get to the Russian border.
    And we saw Lukashenka's majority literally the day before yesterday at Independence. It would be better not to be disgraced, by God, both laughter and sin.
    Quote: SanichSan
    even the EU Commission on Human Rights was not allowed to go there

    Where, but in Russia they understand it in the EU, in the commissions, in jokes and in human rights, and especially in all this at the same time.
    Quote: SanichSan
    well the link where I wrote about the fact that 1TA of the RF Armed Forces

    I wrote about TA я
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Quote: AlexGa
    regional grouping of troops, which includes, in addition to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus and 1 TA of the Russian Federation.

    Quote: Insurgent
    The main thing is that the army of the Republic of Belarus remains true to the oath.

    And what does the oath of the Belarusian army say about the invasion of the country by the occupying forces in order to suppress the protests of the citizens of the Republic of Belarus?

    And what you write is rather difficult to understand, and hardly necessary.
    Quote: SanichSan
    that is, is it normal?

    What is the norm? Dobrobats formed from the US Special Forces military unit? No, this is not at all normal, you missed taking the pills, and hardly only one.
    Quote: SanichSan
    actually it's called chaos. have not heard such a term "monopoly on violence". it is the basis of any legal state.

    In general, it is always I and only I who decide whether it is fair or not to kill specific people. If, for example, the state, in order to fight for the sexual inviolability of minors, drives up tanks and burns these minors alive, then I will not consider it a just murder, and no considerations of a monopoly on violence will change this.

    But the statements that the state with its monopoly is always right - this is called fascism, my friend.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 22 August 2020 13: 47 New
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    Quote: Cherry Nine
    In general, it is always I and only I who decide whether it is fair or not to kill specific people.

    fatal mistake! wink all your "I" is only for you personally, but there are other people around and they have their own "I", and as a result, the collective "WE" against which your "I" is insignificant yes as there in the classics "the team will spit, you drown". laughing
    the result of the "fight with the burnt" is already clear. the enterprises are working, the army has not rebelled, the security officials are not tried. request Maidan did not work laughing
    it remains to be hoped that Luka will be smart enough to deal with white-red-white Natsiks.
  • Vasya rock
    Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 53 New
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    Demogog is you.
    We have 86 people missing.
    You scratch here. Welcome to Minsk. Take a look. What how. Then the conversation will be
  • Vasya rock
    Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 51 New
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    Brother. All 100. I support. Our people. Our country. We will stand. And those three days on Zhodino that I sat is nonsense. Ready to sit for half a year, if only the voice of the people would be heard
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 21 August 2020 06: 37 New
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    You see, Vasya is a rock.

    The imprisonment in Zhodino, it seems, did not have a very good effect on your thinking. I understand that it is easy for me to speak from the couch, but nevertheless.

    Not a single stunt won the war, dying for his country. You will win by forcing the stubs on the other side to die. (c) cinematic D. Patton.

    Your hypothetical six months' imprisonment will not lead to the fact that the voice of the people will be heard. Actually, from prison he is not particularly audible, you are not Nelson Mandela, do not lie to yourself.

    And from a position of strength, your opposition is not ready to act. Psychologically. Everything that happened during the week, starting with Stele on Sunday, is one shame.

    The cockroach has won, no doubt about it. The Belarusians have lost.

    Earlier I wrote that it will be difficult for you to win, but it will be much more difficult to keep the victory. With such an enemy as Putin's Russia (and it is your enemy, a deadly enemy), with such friends as the EU and the USA, who will betray you at any moment, as they betrayed Georgia and Ukraine, it is almost impossible to build a beautiful Belarus of the future. Your victory will be stolen.

    But you haven't won, so it's not relevant.
  • Vasya rock
    Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 46 New
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    We are not a position. We are the people. You may not care about us, but we don't.
  • minipig79
    minipig79 18 August 2020 10: 23 New
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    What dreams and what not dreams - let's see. Like living in a quagmire, where your voice interests no one at all - for God's sake. Like to protest against the limitlessness only in kitchens, for God's sake.
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 00 New
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    Irchno 0 as used to say in one country: Negro Run, run!
  • minipig79
    minipig79 18 August 2020 08: 46 New
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    There is not only an oath, the population will stupidly consider you occupiers. Accordingly, get a deeply hostile state at your side. And the desire to build NATO bases will be fully justified.
  • Vasya rock
    Vasya rock 20 August 2020 15: 32 New
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    The RB Army has no right to operate within the country. From the word at all.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 August 2020 17: 47 New
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    Well, they stood up not for the PEOPLE, but for the rogue Yanyk ... So what? They took a second for themselves and lost an entire neighboring country. Bravo!
  • Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 17 August 2020 17: 34 New
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    Quote: minipig79
    Just if the Russian Federation now throws some formations on support, the relationship between the peoples will be spoiled (to put it mildly). We ourselves will deal with our internal problems. In this case, no one will meet foreign military personnel with flowers.
    Well, to be afraid of the Kremlin or not to be afraid to follow in the footsteps of the indefatigable ghoul are YOUR problems. There is no need to solve them at our expense in our country. Therefore, stand up for yourself, who "voted" for zeroing. We don't want that in our country, we got drunk in 26 years!

    And let’s all of you, including the dad, have already decided who you are? If with Europe, the West and other independence, then yes, we have no right to interfere in the affairs of strangers to us. Deal with yourself. Only then solve ALL your problems yourself. Buy at European market prices everything that goes from Russia to you domestically, tie it to duty-free trade in our market, stop re-exporting our resources to the west and supply us with "Belarusian octopuses" and other European sanctioned goods, then our defense industry and agricultural enterprises will have enough to buy from you equipment, which is no better than ours, but bought to support the "brotherly" people. You can take a walk together with Europe under our sanctions. Then we'll see how long and how you will live by YOURSELF. And then I look at how to live at our expense, so all the good fellows, but when problems come, we are enemies and strangers at once ... And so we don’t climb. We could have come in many times and connected you to themselves simply by force. No, if you want independence, please, here it is for you. How many attacks on you from Europe were we covered for you. What is the answer? Supplies of fuel and weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Shouts that we are robbing Belarus? Non-recognition of Crimea? You are good allies, there is nothing to say ...
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 08: 56 New
      -1
      Let's not confuse flies with cutlets. What Lukashenka does and declares is not equal to the opinion and desire of the people. YOUR indelible supports our indelible, gives HIM loans, lets HIM fill his pocket with cheap oil and subsequent solvents / thinners. Do you think I have something from this? Do my children have a wife? In the kindergarten of the 60s, parents throw off plastic windows, we buy heaters. Do not confuse someone's personal purse with what reaches the people.
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 18 August 2020 10: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: minipig79
        Let's not confuse flies with cutlets. What Lukashenka does and declares is not equal to the opinion and desire of the people. YOUR indelible supports our indelible, gives HIM loans, lets HIM fill his pocket with cheap oil and subsequent solvents / thinners. Do you think I have something from this? Do my children have a wife? In the kindergarten of the 60s, parents throw off plastic windows, we buy heaters. Do not confuse someone's personal purse with what reaches the people.

        Belarusian enterprises do not produce products competitive for the European market. Absolutely. As well as our own. The equipment is military, that agricultural does not meet their eco-standards, machines and other Europeans can do it themselves, they don’t need your food for free, the farmers themselves are bent, and again the environmental and sanitary requirements are the most severe. In the light industry, the entire market has long been firmly under China, so everything that is only for domestic consumption. To build foreign trade on fertilizers alone, by the way, not the most environmentally friendly? When you say that nothing of Russian support reaches the people, you think who pays for those tractors for missiles and tractors from which the salary is paid at your factories? Who buys almost all Belarusian agricultural exports? And what would become of factories and farmers without sales markets? Where does your budget come from for the salaries of doctors and teachers? Armies in the end? Maybe from there that oil and gas went to you three times cheaper than Europe, and then they somehow imperceptibly ended up in Europe? Or maybe remember who built a nuclear power plant for you for free? Or don't your factories need electricity? You talk about the purse very superficially. Once again - I'm not for the dad. I am against the position, we will fuck you and go to Europe.
        1. minipig79
          minipig79 18 August 2020 11: 16 New
          +2
          I will answer you this way. Of course, the overwhelming majority of state-owned enterprises produce shit, which, consider, only you are ready to buy. BUT! The earlier you stop drinking, the sooner the binge will end. Being constantly hungover is the way to alcoholism. In the medium to long term, this is a road to nowhere. A lot of residents were in Poland, they saw changes in the standard of living over the years. And he naturally asks the question, if the standard of living in Poland is higher than in Russia, why not strive for the best? Yes, now, of course, export in a gigantic proportion is tied to the Russian market. Lukashenka, in the light of the abuse of recent years, convulsively twitches with the search for new markets. Something turns out, some doesn't. In any case, it is unambiguously necessary to produce products that are competitive in the world market and expand sales markets. It's hard, but it's necessary. Yes, I know that no one is waiting for us anywhere. So what would you like to do? We must work hard and work again. A child will never grow up normal if he is simply given money for his life, and he himself has not learned to earn it. Lukashenka is such a major player. Vova kept him, and you blame us for pumping the money.
          On Sunday, there was one person in our company who worked in high positions. He told in what ways the Lukashenka family sucks money from the Republic of Belarus. According to his estimates, the state is about 50 billion. $ was collected by our lover of truth. Personally, I thought that in the region of 20 billion, I was a little mistaken.
          Well, the people will have to pay for the loans, yes.
          Concerning the nuclear power plant. Personally, I am for the nuclear power plant. There are many who are against it. Do you know what state. was the slogan before the construction? Like we will build a nuclear power plant, so that electricity for the population and industry would be cheaper. What do you mean now? The constant growth of tariffs under the auspices of "so you need to give a loan for the construction of a nuclear power plant." That's all for the eggs. As yours, oil becomes cheaper - the price of fuel rises, the price of oil rises - the price of fuel is growing.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 18 August 2020 13: 29 New
            -3
            Quote: minipig79
            I will answer you this way. Of course, the overwhelming majority of state-owned enterprises produce shit, which, consider, only you are ready to buy. BUT! The earlier you stop drinking, the sooner the binge will end. Being constantly hungover is the way to alcoholism. In the medium to long term, this is a road to nowhere. A lot of residents were in Poland, they saw changes in the standard of living over the years. And he naturally asks the question, if the standard of living in Poland is higher than in Russia, why not strive for the best? Yes, now, of course, export in a gigantic proportion is tied to the Russian market. Lukashenka, in the light of the abuse of recent years, convulsively twitches with the search for new markets. Something turns out, some doesn't. In any case, it is unambiguously necessary to produce products that are competitive in the world market and expand sales markets. It's hard, but it's necessary. Yes, I know that no one is waiting for us anywhere. So what would you like to do? We must work hard and work again. A child will never grow up normal if he is simply given money for his life, and he himself has not learned to earn it. Lukashenka is such a major player. Vova kept him, and you blame us for pumping the money.
            On Sunday, there was one person in our company who worked in high positions. He told in what ways the Lukashenka family sucks money from the Republic of Belarus. According to his estimates, the state is about 50 billion. $ was collected by our lover of truth. Personally, I thought that in the region of 20 billion, I was a little mistaken.
            Well, the people will have to pay for the loans, yes.
            Concerning the nuclear power plant. Personally, I am for the nuclear power plant. There are many who are against it. Do you know what state. was the slogan before the construction? Like we will build a nuclear power plant, so that electricity for the population and industry would be cheaper. What do you mean now? The constant growth of tariffs under the auspices of "so you need to give a loan for the construction of a nuclear power plant." That's all for the eggs. As yours, oil becomes cheaper - the price of fuel rises, the price of oil rises - the price of fuel is growing.

            I will not argue with your arguments. In general, you painted everything correctly. But breaking everything in one second is also not the case. There are at least 3 ways. First, using this extra money and support, create competitive enterprises and find markets, and then tear this umbilical cord. Then at least there will be no hunger and industry collapse. In the 90s you did not have this to the extent that we did, but I remember how out of three dozen factories in my native Krasnodar, two remained, and those were dying, and the rest were turned into ruins in a couple of years in the place of which there are now wastelands and shopping and entertainment centers, and the people who worked there all their lives were left penniless and drank themselves in packs of despair or went to the bandits. It is bad to do so and it is not necessary. The second way is integration. I do not argue that we have our own internal political problems, that Vova has been sitting for a long time and apparently is still going, that the new constitution is stupid, but at the same time we have a serious industry, well-established sales markets, ready agricultural export routes, huge reserves of resources, a strong army, business you can study calmly, not the Soviet system, and the standard of living will be, as it were, higher with all the nuances. I understand that the dad is for independence, of course, the power, but after all, Belarus is not Ukraine, you do not have there among the masses of rabid hatred of Russians. One people, one language. It could have been like that. Well, and the third way - if you so want to go to the West - well then, refusing our help, you will first receive guarantees of their support. If they agree to give you money to bring the industry up to their level, guarantee a share of the markets for industrial and agricultural products, subsidize the purchase of energy resources or agree to press us so that we do not raise prices, then yes, it is possible for them. Only are there any signs of something that I said in their policy? Or do they love you in the West as Ukraine - virtually on credit, and so far it will harm us, and then they will leave you? Honestly, what do you think?
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          2. your1970
            your1970 18 August 2020 18: 47 New
            0
            Quote: minipig79
            A lot of residents were in Poland, they saw changes in the standard of living over the years.
            -First, you need to remember how much money Poland receives from the European Union! And to understand that Belarus will not give this money to the EU ...
    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 20 New
      0
      You are right Oleg. Unfortunately, we have a lot of complainers and whiners here who lack freedom, and the water is unclean and the air is dirty, and generally live "caps" (bad). And some, receiving salaries of 1200-1600 rubles, start trying to go on strike. Lukashenka correctly said: "The gate is open! We will do without you." Let them roll to Poland strawberries and apples to harvest or to Europe the streets of revenge - if a place is found.
      1. minipig79
        minipig79 19 August 2020 12: 33 New
        +1
        Don't you come to an empty pumpkin that people earn 1200-1600 rubles with their minds and not with a club or with their hands? Those. they have knowledge and skills. That you get salary from taxes is understandable. So, all my life I have not received salary, but earned. But you don't understand how it is ... Are you going to build houses, kindergartens, cudgel heads? Naturally, if I leave, I will again earn money with my head and knowledge. And you, yes, just sweep the streets and fit.
  • Elysium
    Elysium 17 August 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    no one will greet foreign military men with flowers.

    You can see it from your southern neighbors how they throw a ridge to the NATO members.
    got drunk in 26 years!

    And the Poles will get drunk on strawberries in the fields.
    We ourselves will deal with our internal problems.

    And the West, apparently, only at the behest of the heart helps oppa?
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 05 New
      +1
      How did you get it, couch clever guys. Where is my money that supposedly pays for the protests? We all laughed on Sunday with others, where is our money, which type of someone pays for the exits ???
      As for the Poles. Have you been to this very Poland? Maybe you live better than the Poles? I went for the first time in the 6th grade in 92, they brought everything that could be sold from the Republic of Belarus. They then drove around in cars like our Zaporozhets (Fiatics). The last one was in the year 2010. It was heaven and earth. Much better now. Their real economic growth has not been interrupted since the 90s. Someone there chased for a long ruble and went to wash glasses in England or Germany? Well, everyone decides for himself what to do. I want to work in my country and be useful. And he did not go anywhere to earn money, neither in the Russian Federation, nor in the EU.
      Therefore, it is not your business at all what the inhabitants of this country want. At least we will worship Cthulhu! What example can you give me life ??? Blue buckets in the opposite lane? Stupid idlers like sobchak as the mountains of our time on the screens? Films slandering the Second World War, filmed with government support? Kadyrov and his entourage in a Bentley? Maybe Chubais-Sechin-Millers? How many decades of promises for 2300 fittings and xs for SU-57? Here's an example I see, what kind of life should I strive for ??? Efremov's asshole, whose guilt is clear even to a madman, and everyone is watching some idiotic comedy at his trial? Well, what kind of life pattern are you for me ????
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 13: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: minipig79
        where is our money, which type someone pays for the outputs ???

        Tihanovskaya stole.

        In Khabarovsk, they say, everyone is also looking, where is the money of the State Department, who whistled it? No Navalny.
        1. minipig79
          minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 40 New
          +1
          It was ironic if you didn't get it. I don't need money for my beliefs. We didn’t come out for money. And a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of water are somehow able to buy for a rally. There was money, it was not, someone stole it, it didn't. It does not matter. We stand up for our beliefs. Without money. Some comrades do not understand this. How is it to defend your beliefs? People have degenerated since the 17th year then ...
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 19 August 2020 13: 08 New
            0
            Quote: minipig79
            It was ironic if you didn't get it

            I?

            I don't need to explain your position, thank you.
      2. Elysium
        Elysium 18 August 2020 17: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: minipig79
        Well, what kind of life pattern are you for me ????

        Get medical treatment. It may not be too late.
        1. Zax
          Zax 18 August 2020 21: 08 New
          0
          If they do not see the shortcomings of Europe point-blank and only see fiatics there, it is too late to be treated. A pink flag will be added to the pink glasses and one more Central European is ready.
          1. minipig79
            minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 36 New
            +1
            I see you hard in the head - Europe, gays, etc. You open your eyes, where are the slogans about Europe ?????? If you, in your stupidity and arrogance, do not read what your opponent is writing to you, but immediately start vomiting a stamped slug, I have nothing to talk to you about, I see no reason to communicate with the deaf.
      3. pro100y.belarus
        pro100y.belarus 18 August 2020 19: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: minipig79
        What example can you give me life ???

        Well done. Well sealed. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
  • mdsr
    mdsr 17 August 2020 16: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Insurgent
    Russia must stand up for Belarus

    What is Belarus for you? Lukash with his watchdogs and officials? Or a rebellious people of many millions: doctors, teachers, workers, youth, etc.?
    Quote: Insurgent
    your future

    First of all, you need to build your future within the country, raise the standard of living of citizens, and develop democratic institutions.
    Quote: Insurgent
    Repetitions of Ukraine, Russia cannot afford

    Judging by the actions of our government, they are repeating one to one the same policy that led to the loss of Ukraine.
    Quote: Insurgent
    Otherwise, then EVERYTHING ...

    Later, the same thing will be repeated in Russia. Because it is impossible, living in the 21st century in Europe, to rule in your country, as they ruled in the 19th century, and to provide the people only with a standard of living slightly higher than African countries. It's a shame. This means that such power should be thrown into the sewer pit of history.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 17 August 2020 17: 24 New
      -6
      throw out the training manual ...
    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 26 New
      -1
      mdsr, go to Africa and then you will not carry nonsense if you manage to return. Maybe you will not be eaten, like some smart guys back in the 90s in Angola. There is not enough protein and white meat is in the price.
  • VIP
    VIP 17 August 2020 17: 07 New
    +2
    The fact is that we do not need a new Maidan, but it is stupid to support Luka to the end.
  • Vend
    Vend 17 August 2020 17: 08 New
    -4
    Quote: Insurgent
    Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka: Russia finds itself in a difficult position

    Question not question no And not built right no

    Russia must stand up for Belarus and its future. Repetitions of Ukraine, Russia cannot afford no ... Otherwise, further EVERYTHING.

    All or not all, this is still unclear, but to intercede. All this is a big political game where the West and the tame Western opposition must lose.
  • snucerist
    snucerist 17 August 2020 17: 17 New
    +5
    Those. an equal sign between Belarus and Lukashenka, you do not put?
    Should you intervene specifically for Belarus? Not for Lukashenka?
    So I talk about this already in the third comment.
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 06 New
      +3
      And you put an equal sign between Putin and his clan and the inhabitants of the Russian Federation?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 August 2020 17: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: Insurgent
    Russia must stand up for Belarus and its future.

    Events in Belarus are fraught with very serious consequences for our country. The question arises, what to do and whom to support Russia in this situation?

    Russia must help Belarus to preserve its sovereignty and respect the choice of the Belarusian people, whatever it may be.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 22 New
      +9
      Quote: ROSS 42
      should help Belarus to maintain its sovereignty

      Who is threatening him? Citizens of the Republic of Belarus who voted wrong?
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 32 New
        -10
        Yes, the minority voted against and raised the stink
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 21: 09 New
          +5
          Hmm, when did a neighboring country introduce tanks in Europe after a wrong vote? It seems like this was the last time in 1938, no?
          1. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 17 August 2020 22: 04 New
            -5
            In 1939 in the Baltics. But why are tanks in general? Already introduced. Money to promise and support in any decisions
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 22: 43 New
              +4
              In the Baltics, it was just introduced after the correct one. It was wrong a little earlier in Austria.
        2. minipig79
          minipig79 18 August 2020 10: 26 New
          +3
          How do you know this? Do you live here? Did you go to vote? When were you in Belarus at all ???
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 August 2020 05: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Who is threatening him? Citizens of the Republic of Belarus who voted incorrectly?

        Sovereignty - state independence in foreign affairs и supremacy of state power in internal affairs.
        You just tell me about the "GOOD" that falls and falls from the West. Citizens of Belarus (Russia, too) a priori cannot vote incorrectly. Votes can be counted deliberately incorrectly. That's why I wrote above:
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Russia should help Belarus maintain its sovereignty and respect the choice of the Belarusian people, whatever it may be.

        hi
        Quote: SanichSan
        do you think that if Russia does not interfere, then the West will give them something to decide for themselves? or still not?

        I suppose that Russia should also protect Western influence on the development of events in Belarus and not force events by personal intervention in internal affairs.
        Take my word for it, the legitimate authorities have many ways to suppress the “demonstration performances” of a meager number of oppositionists. If the government itself becomes opposition to the people, then it is NOT RECOMMENDED to “add fuel to the fire” and facilitate the continuation of the agony of such a government.
        It is only necessary to look at events, at least, if not from the first rows, then from the window, and not use the media and reports of the special services that receive them from "reliable sources" for objective assessments.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 August 2020 22: 11 New
      -3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Russia must help Belarus to preserve its sovereignty and respect the choice of the Belarusian people, whatever it may be.

      something familiar .. hmm .. wasn’t that how the "Ukrainian nation" and the UPA began? Or do you think that if Russia does not interfere, then the West will give them something to decide for themselves? or still not?
    3. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 07 New
      0
      The golden words of a sane person.
    4. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 31 New
      0
      If a person in a state of intoxication jumps on the roof, then he needs to help get off it. Likewise, people who have been fooled by Western propaganda need help to come to their senses with ammonia under their nose or with a "demotizer" on the backside - to whom - what ... Where did they get that the people did not choose Lukashenko? From the Voice of America or Freedom? From the Telegram channel? From the words of this Tikhanovskaya?
  • Florian geyer
    Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 06 New
    -4
    But you don't need to go there directly with troops yet. Here are the bases to open later on the basis of an agreement as in the Baltic States in 1939
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 18 August 2020 19: 51 New
    0
    Bravo! Briefly and clearly. If you do not support him now, then in a few years you will have to solve problems of survival with the help of the Strategic Missile Forces.
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 17 August 2020 16: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: kapitan92
    Curious how you imagine it

    Putin speaks out that he will not interfere in internal affairs and will accept any choice of Belarusians. Pressures Lukashenka to leave, guaranteeing him Security or a corridor to the country of his choice. Power is transferred to the Prime Minister, political prisoners are released, new elections are held.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 August 2020 16: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Grazdanin
      Putin speaks out that he will not interfere in internal affairs and will accept any choice of Belarusians. Pressures Lukashenka to leave, guaranteeing him Security or a corridor to the country of his choice. Power is transferred to the Prime Minister, political prisoners are released, new elections are held.


      So this is the Maidan scenario, 1:1 belay
    2. VIP
      VIP 17 August 2020 17: 12 New
      -2
      And Tikhanovskaya wins, and then a new Maidan? Now Tikhanovskaya as the banner of the opposition
      1. Terrible
        Terrible GMO 18 August 2020 00: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: VIP
        And Tikhanovskaya wins, and then a new Maidan?

        In such a scenario, she will not go. The liberated political will be nominated, not her. Tight, Babariko.
    3. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 08 New
      -7
      Which is won by the best choice of the Belarusian people - P. Poroshenko, since he is now free and can serve Belarus
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 20: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Florian Geyer
        P. Poroshenko, since he is free now and can serve Belarus

        There and Saakashvili is free.
      2. minipig79
        minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 08 New
        +2
        Here's to insert your penny and your nonsense for choosing us to write is not necessary at all.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 17 August 2020 16: 43 New
    -7
    There will be either anti Russia or AGG!
  • Doctor
    Doctor 17 August 2020 16: 47 New
    -13
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him?

    He is a fighter. The army and the KGB are with him. He will win.
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 17 August 2020 16: 59 New
      10
      Take this fighter (yeah, so brave in the guard ring) for yourself. Where did you get that army for him? The KGB - yes, also the OMON and the police.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 17 August 2020 17: 30 New
        -3
        Take this fighter (yeah, so brave in the guard ring) for yourself.

        Did you want the CIA agent to hit him on the head and that was it?
        Not so simple. wink
        It is important that he is not afraid to go out to the people; not everyone can do this.
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          1. Doctor
            Doctor 18 August 2020 10: 36 New
            -1
            Freak. To what people is he not afraid to go out?))))))))))) Yesterday at MZKT you saw a ring of guards, disguised guards, snipers wherever possible? If the bike about 80% of the supporters were true, he would walk freely in any city and 8 out of 10 would carry him on his hands and guard. Logical, right?

            Not logical. Guards are needed against the remaining 2 out of 10.
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              1. Doctor
                Doctor 18 August 2020 15: 53 New
                -1
                Ahahaha. So there is no person in the whole world who would be 100% loved. Therefore, you do not need to play a fool. Why is it that in Norway or Sweden, the head of state does not piss to go to an ordinary human store, ride a bike around the city. Well, someone likes it, they block and stop the avenues, a bunch of cars with flashing lights and guards are driving. And they are taking HIM - the most unique, inimitable and the most beautiful. With the death of which life will stop in the universe.

                I agree about flashing lights and security. Enrage.
                BUT.

                Everyone's beloved Pope also has a lot of guards.
                A guard at the head of the Fifth Republic of Macron recently beat a protester.
                Do you know how much it costs to protect the royal family in Great Britain?
                Believe it or not, £ 100 million annually. A third of everything that stands out on them.
                Although all these guys and girls are also very much loved. However, not all.

                There are enough fools in the world (and not only fools) who, if there were no guards, would kill any leader purely out of sport.
                Even in very democratic countries.

                1. minipig79
                  minipig79 18 August 2020 17: 16 New
                  +1
                  Oh my God. Well, what is RB, which 90% of the inhabitants on earth will not show on the map. Unlike small shavens, france and the pope. I repeat, the Scandinavians from the government do not piss to go to a store or come to work in a Lisapeda. This is the guide of a healthy person in a small country.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 18 August 2020 18: 04 New
                    0
                    Oh my God. Well, what is RB, which 90% of the inhabitants on earth will not show on the map.

                    For 90% of residents, yes. For dudes from Langley and MI6, no.

                    Belarus is now one of the key points of the global confrontation, it is flooded with agents of the intelligence services of different countries, including killers.

                    To finish off the priest on the sly - what could be easier to turn the situation in your direction?

                    I repeat, the Scandinavians from the government do not piss to go to a store or come to work in a Lisapeda. This is the guide of a healthy person in a small country.

                    Now yes. But it was not always so. Olof Palme was flunked 3 days before his official visit to the USSR.
                    1. minipig79
                      minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 22 New
                      +1
                      Smartphones weren't always there either. So what? It wasn't always that way, good. I live now, not in the 80s. The Scandinavians have grown to such a relationship. And I want to see my country like that.
                      About "one of the key points of the global confrontation" - it's cool. What would you order me and my family to do? Jump with happiness, that here the universal forces of good and evil converged? If I have lived most of my life in this swamp, then I do not wish this to my children.
                    2. Doctor
                      Doctor 19 August 2020 13: 58 New
                      0
                      Smartphones weren't always there either. So what? It wasn't always that way, good. I live now, not in the 80s. The Scandinavians have grown to such a relationship. And I want to see my country like that.
                      About "one of the key points of the global confrontation" - it's cool. What would you order me and my family to do? Jump with happiness, that here the universal forces of good and evil converged? If I have lived most of my life in this swamp, then I do not wish this to my children.

                      Lukashenka will leave and what's next? How do you see your prospects?
                      Economy.
                      Personal development opportunities.
                      Who are you with? West? Russia? Or neutrals like the Swedes? (Although they are not neutral, they are West).
                2. Oprichnik
                  Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 35 New
                  0
                  And that's why Olof Palme, a respected person, was soaked there?
                  1. minipig79
                    minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 28 New
                    +1
                    Today is 2020, isn't it? What did you * fucking know about 1986? I’m not convincing you to look around and see the mess around you. Well, you think that it should be so, for God's sake. I don’t want to see this in my country. If nothing is changed, nothing will change. Throw you Peter 1, he broke the well-behaved boyar order.
            2. your1970
              your1970 18 August 2020 18: 53 New
              0
              Quote: minipig79
              Why is it that in Norway or Sweden, the head of state does not piss to go to an ordinary human store, ride a bike around the city.

              and it was not their prime minister who was stabbed to death with a kitchen knife, Palme?
              1. minipig79
                minipig79 19 August 2020 12: 36 New
                +1
                Palme was shot. And what, Sweden is in the pope, huh? You are direct all yourself I.V. You see Stalin, geniuses. Well, someone single shot someone, and what, the country collapsed? And if you sit upstairs and use some kind of buns, then it's okay to take risks with something, don't you think?
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 17 August 2020 17: 31 New
      +2
      Where did you get that army for him?

      And for whom? For Tikhanovskaya? laughing
  • IgorIP
    IgorIP 17 August 2020 16: 57 New
    +2
    Who is to lead the protest? Fuck from the mountain? Lukash is not a completely stupid person, first of all he destroyed his pro-Russian opponents. Therefore, there is no one there now!
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 11 New
      +1
      They have now imprisoned everyone in whom the authorities saw a real threat. There is Babariko, Tsepkalo.
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 36 New
        0
        Pro-Western liberals, and Babariko is also dishonest, to say the least, a thief.
        1. minipig79
          minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 14 New
          +1
          My dear. If you stick your nose into the Constitution, it does not matter, ours or yours, you will discover a lot of new things: No one can be found guilty, except by a court decision !!! With such success, unfoundedly, you will be a thief for me.
          Tolstoy was not registered as a candidate, citing the fact that he had committed economic crimes. Only there was no trial, there was no hearing. Has he suddenly been found guilty of something? And let's put you in jail for murder, why prove and judge something. Well, here you are, the killer, in my opinion, and that's it
      2. IgorIP
        IgorIP 19 August 2020 11: 05 New
        0
        Quote: minipig79
        They have now imprisoned everyone in whom the authorities saw a real threat. There is Babariko, Tsepkalo.

        Since when did Babariko become a pro-Russian candidate? His first point is the withdrawal of the CSTO and the elimination of Russian bases. The next step is clear)
  • Svarog
    Svarog 17 August 2020 17: 01 New
    +1
    It is definitely necessary to join .. This is our security .. or else NATO bases will appear in Belarus. In this regard, it is really interesting how our eternally concerned ones will behave. If we recall Ukraine, then we can assume that no one will stand up for Belarus .. the reason is the same .. the West will not allow, but in the west capital .. children .. real estate .. And actually the fact that there are no pro-Russian parties in the post-Soviet countries , suggests that there are no strategic goals for these countries.
    But if they nevertheless stand up, then with a high probability there will be an "iron curtain" .. under socialism, this is nonsense .. But under capitalism, it will be tough ..
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 17 August 2020 17: 11 New
      +2
      ALL candidates support the existence of the country OUTSIDE the military blocs. Nobody wants any NATO bases at all.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 August 2020 17: 19 New
        0
        Quote: minipig79
        ALL candidates support the existence of the country OUTSIDE the military blocs. Nobody wants any NATO bases at all.

        And then they won't ask what a small and proud country wants. They will put a Gauleiter there, who will do as he is told.
        1. minipig79
          minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 16 New
          +4
          Nobody asked you whether you want to reset Putin or not. We decided everything ourselves.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 18 August 2020 09: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: minipig79
            Nobody asked you whether you want to reset Putin or not. We decided everything ourselves.

            So it is .. and you will as well ..
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: minipig79
        Nobody wants any NATO bases at all.

        Quote: Xenofont
        Fed for 20 years, sponsored, provided social welfare, and now "free"? No, take a bite! Wake up to pay as cute for everything.

        Quote: AlexGa
        a grouping of troops, which includes, in addition to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus and 1 TA of the Russian Federation.

        Are you sure you don't want NATO bases? And if you think about it?
      3. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 34 New
        0
        We read the Resuscitation program and are surprised
    2. dauria
      dauria 18 August 2020 00: 23 New
      +1
      that no one will stand up for Belarus .. the reason is the same .. the West will not allow, but in the west capital .. children .. real estate ..


      I also thought so. But after Ukraine there was Syria. "Capital ... children ... real estate" is important, but after all someone decided to stand across the US wishlist. How do you explain, Vladimir?
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 06: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        but after all, someone decided to stand across the USA wishlist.

        Did the United States have any wishlist in Syria? As far as I remember, Obama was very creative not to get in there.
        1. dauria
          dauria 18 August 2020 08: 39 New
          0
          Obama was smart enough not to get in there.

          "Assad must leave" invented under Trump or earlier? And Obama is a talking black head, nothing more. And the Democrats chose the skin color of their candidate for a reason.
  • Xenofont
    Xenofont 17 August 2020 17: 05 New
    +5
    Are you offering to give your country to your enemies? Slogans against Russia will appear very soon, don't go to see your grandmother ... The worst thing is that Putin's policy does not change even after the death of the country. All the same "business" approach and an attempt to feed the elite. This is the collapse of not only Luka, but also Putin. Lightning strikes closer and closer to our country, and political stupidity continues to bloom ...
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 17 August 2020 17: 11 New
      0
      Pray for your holy GDP. And our country does not need to be given or bought. Deal with your problems at home.
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont 17 August 2020 17: 16 New
        -1
        Yeah, schazzzzz! Fed for 20 years, sponsored, provided social welfare, and now "free"? No, take a bite! Wake up to pay as cute for everything.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 17 August 2020 17: 25 New
        +7
        Quote: minipig79
        Pray for your holy GDP. And our country does not need to be given or bought. Deal with your problems at home.

        I assume that this is our common house .. and I am not at all delighted with Putin, just like with your dad .. You will not be happy with the bourgeoisie .. just like we have with Putin, but these are our internal problems that need to be decided by ourselves .. Belarus is a small state and it will not be possible to live independently, independently .. Here, either with us or against us .. I think there was no such choice among our grandfathers when the Nazis were being chased .. Although the ideology was different ...
        But let's get back to ideology, but if NATO takes you under its wing, then you’ll be lost .. Brother against brother will be driven to fight, all according to the precepts of Oldbright and other infidels ..
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 August 2020 22: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Xenofont
      This is the collapse of not only Luke, but also Putin.

      and why did you suddenly decide that the collapse? Macron has been living in riots for 3 years, Paris has already been defeated 5 times, tens of thousands are sitting and no one is going to release them, but there is no collapse request
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 04: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: SanichSan
        Macron has been living in riots for 3 years

        lie about it. everything is calm there.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          lie about it. everything is calm there.

          Who? you or google google "riots in France" and enjoy. now, under the caronovirus, it has calmed down, but more recently it was burning .. in the literal sense.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 11: 17 New
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            Who? you or google write in google

            Well, what's your google to me))) I tell you in Russian that I saw my eyes in France in September 2019. I can't put my brains on you. you can believe whatever you want.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              I tell you in Russian that I saw my eyes in France in September 2019.

              Has France started to exist since September 2019? before that, and France was not a mess? laughing
              what you are trying to do is a stupid falsification, especially with appeals to propaganda yes
              in Belarus in 2 months it will be calm. there are no French manuals laughing you are on strike and you don't work = nothing to eat request
              1. Alexey Sommer
                Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 11: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: SanichSan
                in Belarus in 2 months it will be calm. there are no French allowances you are on strike and you do not work = nothing to eat

                Tell this to the Maidan people in the fall of 2013. I can't even imagine how they made it to February 2014! Maybe Mrs. Nongland's cookies saved them?
                that's exactly the way you argued those who pissed away Ukraine, and nothing in your psychology, it has not changed, now you are pissing off Belarus.
    3. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 18 New
      +1
      I see the political stupidity of the group of Sobchak's friends for a long time. It blooms and smells like a riotous color.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 17 August 2020 17: 20 New
    +8
    To begin with, you will find a candidate for the Kremlin itself, in the Russian Federation, too, everything is cleaned up, so But Father is simply Putin's best student
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 17 August 2020 17: 37 New
      +8
      This is not in the eyebrow, but right in the eye! ))) And in fact there is nothing to answer. And really ... tomorrow the leader of a "separate civilization" will play in a wooden mac, so what? To go to the world? give us at least something, in return))) Your own, then netuti))) How many sneakers will be changed on the fly ...))) And do not count !!!)))
      1. dSK
        dSK 17 August 2020 18: 29 New
        -3
        If the opposition wins -
        Tikhanovskaya is a doll, and the puppeteer /CIA customer, puppeteer /contractor Makei with son.
        It is necessary to set a condition for Lukashenka with the help of Russia - remove from posts Makev.
        They are saboteurs and drain all the operational "information" of the CIA.
        Otherwise, all Russian aid will go away like water to sand.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 August 2020 03: 05 New
      -3
      Medvedev, Sobyanin, Trutnev, Shoigu, and the same Mishustin may well be able to lead the state.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 August 2020 19: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him?

    You want to say: we have enough of our own, but here they planted another one for us? Yes, Russia is always "in a difficult situation", but "the situation obliges" (or Noblesse oblige), otherwise there will be many real corpses. "I don't want to."
  • Gost2012
    Gost2012 17 August 2020 21: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him? There are no posters or slogans against Russia. Ideally, we need to lead the protest and put a pro-Russian candidate at the head of state. So far, the EU is replaying by opposing Lukashenka.

    +, well, at least one sane
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 August 2020 22: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Ideally, we need to lead the protest and put a pro-Russian candidate at the head of state

    One problem here ... There is no "pro-Russian" candidate. request
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 August 2020 22: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Tank Hard
      One problem here ... There is no "pro-Russian" candidate.

      Yes. through the efforts of Luke by the way wink and if our western partners hadn't fussed about, they would have put pressure on them on the sly .. but the Poles and Lithuanians were impatient and showed Luka that he was a sex doll for them laughing now there is an opportunity to organize a pro-Russian opposition and convey to Luka that this is his only chance to retire, and not to bunk.
      PS
      I got the feeling that Luke was trying to transfer the throne to his son royally, but it looks like this plan now has a fat cross.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 18 August 2020 05: 53 New
    -3
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him?

    Lukashenka, of course, is a SCAM, but this is OUR scoundrel, so Russia should help him retain power, prevent the West from turning Belarus into a second "Ukraine", but bind him with obligations and help the people of Belarus hold a referendum on joining Russia. It is necessary to draw conclusions from the past.
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 29 New
      +3
      If the Russian Federation helps Lukashenka to stay on the throne, doused with blood, believe me, it is difficult to think of a better way to embroil our peoples.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 18 August 2020 12: 03 New
      +1
      Yes, that's more likely he is not ours, but his own "scoundrel" .. it is necessary to look at deeds, and not by speeches .. he did much like OUR? What besides the once signed agreement on the union state, which was never born into anything, but gave him a lot of buns? especially recently, the rhetoric is direct OUR .. he is rather ours and yours, "an affectionate calf or two queens sucks .." and so on. on my own mind ..
  • exalibor
    exalibor 18 August 2020 16: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him? There are no posters or slogans against Russia. Ideally, we need to lead the protest and put a pro-Russian candidate at the head of state. So far, the EU is replaying by opposing Lukashenka.

    ABOUT!!!! Well done, you think right ... it's high time to do it .... otherwise I look in the crowd single flags of the European Union are already appearing ... it is necessary that the Russian ones appear ... especially since the bulk of people are protesting against Luka and him punishers, and for fair re-elections ... Russia would be able to beat everyone very well if they released Babariko, for example, and he took part in the elections ... and considering that Russia, even with the presidential candidate ... the main thing is that he would clearly define his position ... they say I am for an alliance with Russia .... I think ordinary people would very much appreciate this step of Russia and I think these elections would present a big surprise to both the opposition and the European Union) )))
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 48 New
      +1
      Babariko is a pro-Westerner. And like any banker, he is antisocial and dishonest. All this cage of opps are pro-Westerners and everyone has anti-Russianism in their programs, avoiding an alliance with Russia. He is all paid agents of the west and will turn Belarus west into the EU and NATO.
  • Vend
    Vend 21 August 2020 10: 43 New
    0
    Russia finds itself in a difficult position
    Come on laughing Russia has already made it clear which side it is on, recognizing the elections in Belarus, and therefore rushed to the west with requests not to interfere in the affairs of Belarus.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 17 August 2020 16: 31 New
    -11
    Old Man will try to steer himself. Do not interfere.
    1. AML
      AML 17 August 2020 16: 33 New
      15
      Quote: Fungus
      Old Man will try to steer himself. Do not interfere.


      It was necessary to take care of it earlier. Now no one will ask him. The train left.
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 17 August 2020 16: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Fungus
      Old Man will try to steer himself. Do not interfere.

      I agree. You are partially correct. Rygorych was offered to handle everything himself. If possible, without Russian interference. And it's not worth interfering without urgent need. But CAREFULLY observe in alertness - it is necessary. The main thing is not to let the Euro horses drag Belarus along with normal Belarusians into colonial dependence on the USA and the West. And you can deal with Lukashenka and his mistakes THEN.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 August 2020 16: 48 New
      -3
      Quote: Fungus
      Old Man will try to steer himself. Do not interfere.

      Obliged to handle it himself. But he messed up, more than, therefore, he may not cope ...
      Quote: AML
      It was necessary to take care of it earlier. Now no one will ask him. The train left.

      But you also do not rush things, let But Father still get over it himself, and those who need it will follow and make a decision on the fact ...
  • Alevil
    Alevil 17 August 2020 16: 34 New
    13
    There is no need to stand up for Lukashenka. But for the interests of Russia you must always stand up. And if we, as a result of the fall of the bow, risk getting a hostile state on our borders with a hostile Russophobic leadership, then we need to support the pro-Russian forces, whoever personifies them. And I wanted to spit on "democracy", "human rights", "sovereignty", "non-interference", etc. etc., if, as a result of admiration for this crap, Russia will end up suffering a total geopolitical defeat.
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 17 August 2020 17: 03 New
      0
      Are the Chubais-Sechins acting in the interests of Russia at home? First the beam in your eye ...
      1. Alevil
        Alevil 17 August 2020 17: 11 New
        0
        And you here do not translate from one topic to another, and then you love, suddenly come running here, immediately yell "and then yourself! And then yourself! And we have that!". Let's better discuss the United States with their habit of meddling in other people's affairs and their inability to get things right, judging by the number of dissatisfied people. You can also talk about the match Bayern - Barcelona, ​​where the once invincible club blew with a crushing score.
        This particular article is not about domestic policy, but about foreign policy. Also a little different such topics.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Alevil
          Let's better discuss the United States with their habit of meddling in other people's affairs

          OK.
          Here is Canada, where the United States climbed to the very best. Have you been to Canada?
          Quote: Alevil
          set things up for themselves, judging by the number of dissatisfied

          I would very much like to see the Belarusian OMON in a match with American leftists and BLM. It would be divine.
          1. Alevil
            Alevil 17 August 2020 19: 14 New
            +1
            I have not been to Canada. I also have not been to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Vietnam, Serbia, Bosnia, the countries of South and Central America and many other places where the Americans have been. Noble travelers. And most importantly, what "good" memories leave behind.
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 17 August 2020 19: 24 New
              -1
              > I have never been

              It turns out that you were told on the first channel?
            2. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 19: 51 New
              +3
              In Serbia and Bosnia, I was passing through. I don’t remember anything particularly interesting, ordinary poor European countries.

              Vietnam won America, I remember. For some reason, it lagged behind Malaysia or Tay every 5-10 times in terms of economy.

              Iraq and especially Afghanistan were very unlucky even when the Americans were not even in the project.

              Libya, and especially Syria, was ruined by anyone, but Obama was not yap.

              Lebanon was destroyed by the Arabs, first of all by the Jordanians, having fused Arafat there, thus exporting to this unfortunate country the alien war of Gradan.

              Somalia, like half of Africa, sat under the suction of the Soviet regime and drowned in a place with it. To whom for this claim, but not to the Americans.

              I have no idea what worries you there in Central and South America. Relatively prosperous countries - Panama, Costa Rica, Chile - have excellent relations with the Americans, and where the hell is - Haiti, Cuba, Venezuela - Americans and the spirit has not been there for a long time.

              What did you want to say? What will the Americans in Belarus do as in Abkhazia or in the Donbass? And were there really Americans in Abkhazia and Donbass?
    2. Harry.km
      Harry.km 17 August 2020 17: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Alevil
      There is no need to stand up for Lukashenka. But for the interests of Russia you must always stand up.

      Well, so the variant with elections is being drawn ... AHL will obviously not be able to win anything, even if it agrees to new elections. By the way, he already agrees to them, but with the changes in the constitution. Who knows what he agreed with VVP, maybe in exchange for a ticket to Rostov, suddenly a candidate will appear who will suit the Russian Federation much better than the AHL. With a little pumping, the admin is still a resource for the AHL, this dark horse wins the elections and our joy has a legitimate pro-Russian president of the Republic of Belarus. Now I would like to find out what kind of changes in the constitution the AHL wants to push through.
    3. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 17 August 2020 17: 54 New
      0
      I wonder how you specifically propose to support the pro-Russian forces?
      1. Alevil
        Alevil 17 August 2020 18: 00 New
        +1
        If you want to be specific, I would like to mention Igor Strelkov and his opinion on this issue. He spoke very well and specifically.
        Well, on behalf of the OD "Novorossiya" I would consider it possible to demand from Lukashenka the following statements and actions:

        1. Immediately declare that Belarus is recognized as an integral part of a country called Russia (even within the framework of the currently existing independent state), and the Belarusian people are one of the branches of the great Russian people (in the 90s, going to power, Lukashenka he expressed himself with such words, but then “suddenly and for a long time (forever?) I forgot about them”).
        It is necessary to emphasize the course towards gradual reunification with the rest of Russia within the framework of the Union State with common armed forces, diplomatic departments and state security. Accordingly, the activities of all “Lithuanian” pseudo-nationalist organizations should be immediately banned, and any propaganda of “Litvinism” should be immediately suppressed as anti-popular and anti-state.
        2. Lukashenka must publicly admit that his words and actions, which directly or indirectly supported the Ukrainian junta that came to power as a result of the 2014 coup, was a mistake. He is obliged to publicly and resolutely condemn the punitive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass, to assess it as a war of Hitler's followers against the Russian people of Novorossiya and Ukraine.
        3. Lukashenko must directly and publicly declare his support for the idea of ​​forming Novorossia on its historical territory and initiate the procedure for recognizing the independence of the Pridnestrovian Republic, Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, and recognize the reunification of Crimea with the Russian Federation as legitimate and correct.
        4. Immediately stop and prohibit for the future any military aid to the Kiev Nazis.
        5. Allow the creation of political parties and public organizations in Belarus that officially defend the interests of the Russian people both in the Republic of Belarus and beyond and adhere to the ideology of re-creating a powerful (politically, militarily and economically) single Russian Slavic state - Russia.
        6. It is also advisable to publicly make it clear to the population (who is outraged by the attitude towards them not as citizens, but as subjects of the “eternal president”) that after the constitutional order has been established, political reforms will be quickly carried out, which will allow the people to participate in the public life of the country not as "Extras", but really. At the same time, it is desirable to set the dates for new presidential elections in Belarus, which should take place soon after the reform of the socio-political system.


        In this case, ANY help is possible, since no strength and no resource spent for the reunification of the Russian people can be excessive
        1. AshiSolo
          AshiSolo 18 August 2020 20: 55 New
          0
          Well, in short, the AHL must fulfill Strelkov's Wishlist and his secret "mriya" in recognition of everything and everyone, then you can happily crush our protests with tanks, right I understand?
    4. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 18: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Alevil
      I wanted to spit on "democracy", "human rights", "sovereignty", "non-interference", etc. etc., if, as a result of admiration for this crap, Russia will end up suffering a total geopolitical defeat.

      Very well. The first thing to do is to support the ghoul, whom, after what happened, his people hate. The second is to send personnel there. It is one thing when the detainees tell how the Lukashenka OMON is playing with them in the Gestapo, it is quite another when the officers of the Russian National Guard will do it. I think this will solve the problem of love and friendship between peoples once and for all.
      1. Alevil
        Alevil 17 August 2020 19: 09 New
        0
        I was always touched by the expression "people hate" or "all the people decided"))) This, by the way, is a typical manipulation ... But you, apparently, have counted everything and took everyone into account)))
        As for Lukashenka's support, he has real and very considerable support. The support of the majority of the people (mind you, not "the whole people"), but they lacked activity until recently. This part of the people has a powerful Russian / pro-Russian core. Moreover, I am sure that some passivity of Lukashenka's supporters is precisely due to the fact that recently Lukashenka has been striving very much to the west, supported Ukraine, criticized the free Donbass and Novorossia, ruffled all sorts of nasty things with his tongue, even with him he was demolished monument to Suvorov in Kobrin. Those. Luka himself demoralized and de-energized the people who supported him and were absolutely pro-Russian. It is enough just to let this Russian core breathe freely, to heat this core, to strengthen it, and soon there will be no trace of the Zmagar-pro-Western scum. And no Rosgvardia is needed. This is what Strelkov was talking about.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 17 August 2020 19: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Alevil
          ... Those. Luka himself demoralized and de-energized the people who supported him and were absolutely pro-Russian. It is enough just to let this Russian core breathe freely, to heat this core, to strengthen it and soon there will be no trace of the Zmagar-pro-Western scum

          My friend ...
          Which core? Grygorich very carefully cleaned out the pro-Russian leaders. You see, he considered himself an awesome pro-Russian leader. As well as Yanyk. In matters of lending, or even a gratuitous loan. We are still waiting for 3 lard of greens issued to Yanukovych ...
          It is no longer so important how and how many people suffered from the riot police. Luka, as in 2015, decided that he would do it anyway - 80% "For", a couple of dozen detained and swept away, and the collective West will again forgive him for his arbitrariness for not recognizing Crimea.
          But something went wrong as the Chairman thought. His actions were so predictable that he set himself up like the last sucker ...
          It was for the beating and torture, for the murdered (no matter who), he was accused of everything that was possible. His days are numbered. As long as he is at the helm, people will not leave the streets. Because the people demand blood.
          1. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 40 New
            -2
            And let this "people" sit on the street. Winter is coming soon...
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 17 August 2020 23: 00 New
              -3
              Quote: Florian Geyer
              And let this "people" sit on the street. Winter is coming soon...

              Bravo! good one of the few sane thoughts in the comments. yes
              an attempt to change power by force came across the power structures and totally failed. request these round dances can lead until winter and all winter, Luka has no sense in leaving. soon they will want to eat and here either work for the "evil" Luke or emigrate to the Balts as a slave.
              and after such a farce Luka should take care of Western foundations and all sorts of non-profit organizations, and I hope he will figure out how to clean up his independent Natsiks, unless, of course, he is not quite idiotic ...
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 17 August 2020 22: 54 New
            -2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It was for the beating and torture, for the murdered (no matter who), he was accused of everything that was possible. His days are numbered.

            strange .. Macron has several dozen killed and tens of thousands on the bunks, and that is no "his days are numbered!" formulate why Macron's are not numbered, but Luke's are numbered? Or did you write without thinking?
    5. minipig79
      minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 31 New
      +1
      Well, such is the "wise" policy of Putin and his entourage, who "from the height of his own greatness" wanted to spit on the interests of his people and the interests of his neighbors.
      1. your1970
        your1970 18 August 2020 21: 51 New
        0
        Quote: minipig79
        Well, such is the "wise" policy of Putin and his entourage, who "from the height of his own greatness" wanted to spit on the interests of his people and the interests of his neighbors.

        And Putin promised neighboring peoples to walk them, cherish and observe CASH interests ????? Won what .......
        And then I think - why are all the neighborhoods of the Russian Federation discussing Putin - Putin is Putin ... They are probably waiting for him to observe their interests ...
        1. minipig79
          minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 09 New
          0
          It seems to be quite clearly written that our barbel spits on the Belarusians, yours on the Russians. If you think that Putin is butting about the Russians, give examples))
          1. your1970
            your1970 19 August 2020 14: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: minipig79
            It seems to be quite clearly written that our barbel spits on Belarusians, vash- on Russians.

            Not good to lie- at your post there is not even a hint of your barbel
            Quote: minipig79
            Well, this is the "wise" policy Putin and the environment, who "from the height of his own greatness" wanted to spit on the interests of his people, what on interests of the neighboring.
            1. minipig79
              minipig79 19 August 2020 14: 29 New
              0
              Be yours. I wrote ambiguously. I don't need citizen Putin to take my interests. I just want him not to send any Russians to interfere in our showdown. Is it so nice?
              Today Russian technicians were brought to the state television to replace the strikers. A helping hand has already been extended ...
              1. your1970
                your1970 19 August 2020 15: 21 New
                0
                Quote: minipig79
                Today Russian technicians were brought to the state television to replace the strikers.

                here Ukraine I admitted that 33 of our KGB detainees are they lured to yourself.
                And you thought it was also the "hand of Moscow" ...
                1. minipig79
                  minipig79 20 August 2020 08: 36 New
                  0
                  Not a single sane person bought the crazy story about Russian mercenaries. My mother was born 53 and then laughed for a long time. You watch less state television, it is better to ask the residents for their opinion.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 21 August 2020 01: 36 New
                    +1
                    [quote = minipig79] You watch a smaller state television [/ quote]
                    So me yours and I don’t look, otherwise YOU they say that 100 TV people have already brought in
                    quote = minipig79] My mom was born 53 and then laughed for a long time. [/ quote] - and what versions did mom have?
    6. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 20: 50 New
      0
      That's right!
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 17 August 2020 16: 34 New
    +1
    Yes, it's worth it. No options.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 17 August 2020 16: 34 New
    +7
    The question of the need to change the government is becoming more acute, but who can change the "dad" is not very clear. (c) from article

    You just need to stupidly stop putting everyone in Belarus, all those who even thought that it is possible to live differently in Belarus !!! soldier

    Give the people freedom (according to the laws of the Republic of Belarus !!!) to speak out how you can live differently ...

    And so - so yes - all those who disagree were either killed or imprisoned - indeed, "Who if not But Father ?!" will lead Belarusians to a "bright future" fool

    But the question is ... what is the future ?! Where does Lukashenka curse Russia ?! ...
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 17 August 2020 16: 37 New
      -3
      Quote: Crown without virus
      but who can change the "dad" is not very clear.

      Babariko as an option if he is still alive. He worked for 15 years at Gazprombank, the same Gordon called him a pro-Russian candidate.
      1. IgorIP
        IgorIP 17 August 2020 17: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Quote: Crown without virus
        but who can change the "dad" is not very clear.

        Babariko as an option if he is still alive. He worked for 15 years at Gazprombank, the same Gordon called him a pro-Russian candidate.


        An excellent option)) the first point of his election campaign: the withdrawal of Belarus from the CSTO
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 17 August 2020 17: 07 New
          0
          Give a link to this item, dreamer?
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 17 August 2020 23: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Give a link to this item, dreamer?

            caught! laughing the election program is not even on Babariko's page wassat another "for all the good, against all the bad!" yes
            1. Terrible
              Terrible GMO 18 August 2020 01: 03 New
              +3
              Quote: SanichSan
              the election program is not even on Babariko's page yet another "for all the good, against all the bad!"

              Because according to our laws, it is FORBIDDEN to voice your election program until you have a certificate of a presidential candidate. Everyone, except AG of course. But he never published his.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 18 August 2020 01: 08 New
                -1
                Quote: TerribleGMO
                Because according to our laws, it is FORBIDDEN to voice your election program

                what nonsense?
                but this does not change the essence of the matter. below posted a link where Babarik declares his withdrawal from the CSTO request
                pro-Western slut. yes
                1. minipig79
                  minipig79 18 August 2020 09: 33 New
                  +3
                  How did Gazprom keep the pro-Western lackey for so many years looking at Gazprombank in Belarus?)))
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 26 New
                    -2
                    Quote: minipig79
                    How did Gazprom keep the pro-Western lackey for so many years looking at Gazprombank in Belarus?)))

                    and? they and Luka support, who has not declared war on Russia wassat
                    if from these "protesters" a mile away the Natsiks and pro-Western sycophancy did not stink, then everyone would be for the removal of Luke, but it is as it is. Luca is better than this request
                    1. minipig79
                      minipig79 18 August 2020 12: 14 New
                      +3
                      As-is-as-is psychology is good for a slave. A normal person will do everything possible from him to live better. The husband thumps and t - as it is, it is. The yard behind the garbage is as it is. The entrance is izrisovan and obostsan - as it is. Someone gets used to this and believes that, in principle, everything is fine and there is nothing to boil over.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 18 August 2020 12: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: minipig79
                        As-is-as-is psychology is good for a slave.

                        no need to misinterpret other people's words. yes
                        Quote: minipig79
                        Someone gets used to this and believes that, in principle, everything is fine and there is nothing to boil over.

                        Are you seriously trying to say that Luka is supported by what you are used to? belay funny laughing
                        no, they will support Luka because he is any better than the pro-Western Nazis from the Belarusian opposition.
                        and what is there and how will change we will see in the next couple of months.
                      2. minipig79
                        minipig79 18 August 2020 13: 03 New
                        +3
                        You see something you confuse with your "Belarusian opposition". The classical Belarusian opposition after the dispersal of 2010 is absent. Therefore, the protesting people do not have any leaders. No one personally leads the crowd. There are no specific wrap-arounds with independence. Nobody said anything bad about the Russians, not about the Russian language. And how to say, if one way or another, well, 85 percent communicates with each other.
                        Now, if I do not accept the economic mediocre policy of Lukashenka, am I an oppositionist? Is my wife also an oppositionist?
                        And if Chikatilo would conduct a survey of who supports him, would it be the opposition? And who doesn’t digest, is this opposition to them?
                        You are confusing concepts. There is no opposition here, but disgruntled people. No other ideology, no other picture of the world.
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 18 August 2020 13: 29 New
                        -1
                        Quote: minipig79
                        The classical Belarusian opposition after the dispersal of 2010 is absent. Therefore, the protesting people do not have any leaders.

                        true, but Luca chose Natsiks as pocket ones request
                        Quote: minipig79
                        No one personally leads the crowd.
                        and is the owner's interview blocked in your search engine? read it. there it is painted in paints how to organize and promote.
                        Quote: minipig79
                        There are no specific wrap-arounds with independence. Nobody said anything bad about the Russians, not about the Russian language.
                        Interestingly, only the Belarusian Natsiks say something completely different, and there are protests under their flags. yes
                        Quote: minipig79
                        And how to say, if one way or another, well, 85 percent communicates with each other.
                        have you heard anything about Ukraine? there everything was the same and is already talking and doing in full. What kind of noodles are you hanging around? that Belarusian Natsiks are not at all the same as Ukrainian ones?
                        Quote: minipig79
                        Now, if I do not accept the economic mediocre policy of Lukashenka, am I an oppositionist? Is my wife also an oppositionist?
                        And if Chikatilo would conduct a survey of who supports him, would it be the opposition? And who doesn’t digest, is this opposition to them?
                        while the photo shows a demonstration with white-red-white rags, no matter who else is there, it is important that the Nazis climb into power on their shoulders. so far, there is nothing to talk to them about.
                        Quote: minipig79
                        You are confusing concepts. There is no opposition here, but disgruntled people. No other ideology, no other picture of the world.
                        uh huh. disgruntled people in Russia understand this perfectly well, but in our country they also clearly see who is using these disgruntled people and for what, but you no longer see who you are dragging into power. do you really have nothing but the pro-Western opposition grown by the same Luka?
                        PS
                        for Russia, Luca is the same enemy as for the Belarusians, but change him to Natsik ??? are you out of your mind? belay
                      4. minipig79
                        minipig79 19 August 2020 11: 11 New
                        0
                        And who do you call Natsik, explain how. Where and who said that the nation of Belarusians is exceptional and correct? Where and who said that she should take a leading role in relation to other peoples? Do you understand the meaning of the words you are juggling with? Or somewhere out of the corner of my ear I heard and am pouring generously now ...
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 22 August 2020 14: 00 New
                        0
                        Quote: minipig79
                        whom do you call Natsik, explain how. Where and who said that the nation of Belarusians is exceptional and correct? Where and who said that she should take a leading role in relation to other peoples?


                        are you on some other planet? Are you stuck in the last century when there was no internet? can you shine with anything other than 2 in history and ignorance of when and why this white-red-white rag appeared? Do you recognize the rags in the photo? not?
                  2. Oprichnik
                    Oprichnik 18 August 2020 21: 06 New
                    0
                    Read candidate programs. They are all for the abolition of official bilingualism and the abolition of the Russian language as the official state language. Just like in Ukraine. Back in the 90s, I fought back on this basis.
  • Florian geyer
    Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 53 New
    0
    By the way, Gazprom is already an economic corpse. It remained to exist until February 2021. Then it will be sold for 2 kopecks, divided into several companies and finally plundered.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 August 2020 23: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: Crown without virus
    You just need to stupidly stop putting everyone in Belarus, all those who even thought that it is possible to live differently in Belarus !!!

    why? In France, they are normally imprisoned and no one can say about Macron that "the regime has collapsed!", but in Belarus it is suddenly impossible? Or is it still worth taking advantage of positive foreign experience?
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 18 August 2020 12: 17 New
      0
      and that in France Marcon was elected president with 80%? comparison is not the topic ...
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 18 August 2020 12: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        comparison is not the topic ...

        why is this not the topic? in France they shouted Macron to go away, in Belarus too. in France, they were rowdy for 3 years and Macron did not go anywhere, and in Belarus, only a week after the elections, the opposition is speaking and experts have already been found who claim that he has "ruined himself" wassat
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 18 August 2020 13: 18 New
          +1
          There they were rowdy for other reasons, they burned shops, cars, etc. what of this in RB? You still remember BLM to the heap .. Do not generalize riots and protests are not the same ..
  • prior
    prior 17 August 2020 16: 38 New
    10
    "Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka: Russia finds itself in a difficult position"

    Already in the title of the article one can see a call for betrayal.
    There is no doubt that Russia needs to stand up for Belarus, the question of Lukashenko is the tenth one.
    Belarus is not Lukashenka.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 17 August 2020 17: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: prior
      Belarus is not Lukashenka.

      I support, great words !!! drinks
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 17 August 2020 16: 39 New
    -4
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Quote: Crown without virus
    but who can change the "dad" is not very clear.

    Babariko as an option if he is still alive. He worked for 15 years at Gazprombank, the same Gordon called him a pro-Russian candidate.

    If you are not in the bargains - Lukashenka called Gazprombank a sponsor of riots in the Republic of Belarus and put all top managers there !!! laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 17 August 2020 16: 44 New
      +1
      And did it before the riots?
    2. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 17 August 2020 20: 46 New
      -7
      Because this is true. A real orgy is going on on the Entornet, when crowds of paid Russian bloggers and other writers are fanning the wave against Luka.

      But I'll tell you - down with Gazprom. Return the trillions of dollars stolen from the people and go to prisons to sew mittens
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 17 August 2020 16: 42 New
    -13
    There is no difficult situation - AGG!
    Otherwise, we will regain anti-Russia.
  • yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 17 August 2020 16: 44 New
    +2
    Again, the position of our ruling elite is incomprehensible, while they are watching, once this has already happened and what it has led to everyone knows, Russia lacks a strong personality who would not care about the image, and what they think of him, therefore we live like in a fairy tale , the further the worse. In general, Lukashenka has been playing a trick lately, I suppose he himself feels like a fairy-tale character from his rash actions and words.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 August 2020 16: 45 New
    +7
    And what are the problems of the Russian state or the Russian people? Lukashenko long ago switched from anti-Russian rhetoric to a provocative policy: corporate showdowns, abandonment of the base, "special position" on integration projects, harsh repression against pro-Russian activists, etc. just ask "... So this lover of weapons and grocery" schemes "is not at all sorry.
    What will happen in Belarus is a private matter for its citizens. Outwardly, pro-Russian sentiments are not visible there, and there are few people who consider themselves Russian. The population of Belarus is not Kharkov, Crimea, Donetsk or Odessa. It makes no sense for the Russian Federation to participate in the formation of power in Minsk.
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 17 August 2020 17: 13 New
      +4
      It's nice to read common sense, without the silly tactics "let's stick our snout and see what happens."
    2. prodi
      prodi 17 August 2020 17: 20 New
      0
      there is such a theory that the future world will be divided into peculiar technological clusters, between which there will be gray and black zones, human and raw materials will be pumped out of the gray ones into the white zones, and the black ones will be a cordon sanitaire and platforms for proxy conflicts between clusters. Ukraine has stepped into a gray zone, Belarus can repeat this step. On the one hand, you can not give a damn, on the other, because it will not be better for us either, or rather it would be better for Poland to become such a gray and black zone
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 17 August 2020 17: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: prodi
        there is such a theory that the future world will be divided into peculiar technological clusters, between which there will be gray and black zones, human and raw materials will be pumped out of the gray ones into the white zones, and the black ones will be a cordon sanitaire and platforms for proxy conflicts between clusters. Ukraine has stepped into a gray zone, Belarus can repeat this step. On the one hand, you can not give a damn, on the other, because it will not be better for us either, or rather it would be better for Poland to become such a gray and black zone

        Interesting topic! good It seems that it is no longer the "theory" of "clusters". Obama and Xi quite realistically promoted the idea of ​​economic and monetary "orbits." And the Russian Federation in this world is "blacker" even than the gray RB. And all possible resources are pumped out, and there are enough conflicts ...
        1. prodi
          prodi 17 August 2020 18: 05 New
          -1
          even by the most approximate estimates, we are not a layer in any way, we are at the Table, not on the Table; which is already difficult to imagine for the USA
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 August 2020 23: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      It makes no sense for the Russian Federation to participate in the formation of power in Minsk.

      The Poles and the Balts will participate and are already participating, which means we don't need it? this so that you could then whine about the fact that "they loved Ukraine and Belarus !!!" what a great plan! good (no stop )
    4. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 August 2020 03: 07 New
      -2
      Lukashenko himself called Gomel and Vitebsk Russian cities.
    5. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 21: 12 New
      0
      Samarin, do you live in Belarus and do you know the opinion of ALL Belarusians? Most are for the Union with Russia and do not separate themselves from it. We were the last to break away from the USSR, which had been destroyed by traitors from Moscow, and until the last moment we hoped for its restoration.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 17 August 2020 16: 50 New
    +6
    The difficulty is that after Lukashenko's well-known demarches against Russia, Russian society does not believe him. At the same time, the "demolition" of Lukashenko will lead to one thing - the active introduction of a pro-Western course of development and money will not be spared here. And even the presence of a majority, as Lukashenka put it, “the Slavic, if you will, the Russian world,” will not affect the situation. In Belarus, at the state level, they have long and systematically tried to whitewash the West's interference in the coup d'etat in Ukraine and its consequences. Now, he himself is reaping the fruits of his double-dealing.
    After the decision of the European Parliament to declare Lukashenko persona non grata, he has only one way - the recognition of South Ossetia, Crimea, the speeding up of integration processes with Russia and the curtailment of dubious ties with the United States, Poland, the Baltic states, and Ukraine.
    1. VIP
      VIP 17 August 2020 17: 26 New
      +5
      I'm afraid he will continue to play in multi-vector.
      Today I heard an anecdote about Luke's multi-vector nature
      ... After Pompeo's visit to Minsk. Arrives in Sochi.
      Putin meets on the doorstep of the residence.
      -Alexander Grigorievich, come in. Glad to see you
      -Vladimer Vladimirovich, wait, I'll change my clothes
  • bar
    bar 17 August 2020 16: 51 New
    +3
    The question arises, what to do and whom to support Russia in this situation?

    In the current situation, Russia should calmly wait for who will, and then support it. But father's support will oppose Russia to the Belarusian people. And it is still impossible to support the people due to the lack of a subject for negotiations. And as the situation clears up, so immediately. Belarus still has nowhere to go from Russia, it is not at all economically independent. And brothers-Europeans and striped are hardly ready to take her for maintenance. They have problems of their own.
    1. Elysium
      Elysium 17 August 2020 18: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: bar
      And brothers-Europeans and striped are hardly ready to take her for maintenance

      On the maintenance - no, but as a springboard - yes. This is what they dream about.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 17 August 2020 16: 51 New
    -2
    Quote: Avior
    And did it before the riots?

    You will be surprised - yes! somewhere in a month !!! before the riots laughing
    All VO was on the ears here - I suppose you were on vacation? repeat
  • Kart
    Kart 17 August 2020 16: 53 New
    +3
    Therefore, the optimal way out for Russia would be to search for such a figure who, in terms of her qualities and political position, would become a worthy replacement for Alexander Grigorievich, but at the same time would show great loyalty to Moscow.

    The main and main goal is precisely Russia.
    Therefore, the West categorically does not recognize any candidates, even with a hint of loyalty to Russia, and will try to prevent it by all means.
  • Galleon
    Galleon 17 August 2020 16: 53 New
    +8
    Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka?
    If I could solve such an issue, it would be worth solving in such a way as not to spoil, but to strengthen relations with the country in any future scenario. So that the new government’s actions of the Russian Federation would be approved and perceived as fair, and if Luka remains (although unlikely), so that he will never bury himself, but on the contrary - in the future he will always seek approval and support from the Russian Federation. In short, it is necessary to suspend it, in zero gravity, so that it loses its support for some time and begs hard for it. But to give not what he asks for, but 10 percent of what is asked - first promise, let him suffer thoroughly first.
    But if the workers of the factories left, the chairmen of the election commissions began to confess and the EU gave its vote - in the end it is necessary to stand up for fair elections and for the law. Let's look like decent people.
  • Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 17 August 2020 16: 54 New
    +3
    zugzwang for both Lukoshengo and Moscow. finished playing by measuring pipis! and then the forester came ...
    1. Kart
      Kart 17 August 2020 17: 00 New
      0
      Well, without you, no one in the leadership of these countries knew about anything, and did nothing.
      All fighters for people's happiness know this.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 August 2020 16: 54 New
    0
    If Lukashenka listens and follows the advice (instructions) given by the relevant Russian specialists, he will have a serious chance to keep the situation under control.
    However, as it stabilizes, it is worth identifying possible candidates for this position and working with them seriously.
    1. Departure
      Departure 17 August 2020 18: 12 New
      +1
      Do you seriously believe that there are such "specialists" in Russia after we have lost practically the entire information and political field in the post-Soviet space? Here alone Belarus only remained, while it remained
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 17 August 2020 18: 24 New
        0
        Mongolia did not please you with something?
        Or did Syria betray Russia?

        Now the situation on the world stage has changed very seriously.
        It is for the United States that internal and foreign policy problems are growing on all fronts and they are losing allies.
        And opportunities are dwindling.
        Couldn't bring Guaido to power in their backyard.
        And in the Republic of Belarus they will not be able to.
        And the Polish and Lithuanian mongrels will break off their rotten teeth.
        Russia, in geopolitical terms, is now on the rise.
        Its foreign policy authority is higher than ever.
        And the problems in the Republic of Belarus will be solved.
        Do not doubt.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 17 August 2020 19: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Livonetc
          Russia, in geopolitical terms, is now on the rise.
          Its foreign policy authority is higher than ever.

          If I caught it right, the majority of those present are sure that as soon as Luka is thrown off, the Belarusians will run to Brussels in a noisy crowd, beg for more NATO bases.
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 17 August 2020 19: 50 New
            0
            Can you explain to us what that woman will do, who, according to some, was chosen in real life by the people of Belarus?
            Is it not her puppeteers who will determine the future of the Republic of Belarus?
            At the moment, this lady is danced by Western figures (we will not list specific countries).
            I have repeatedly asked who can be the leader of the republic, apart from Tikhanovskaya.
            I got only cons.
            Please predict.
            Lukashenka was thrown off.
            Who replaced him and how.
            What happens next?
            Maybe lustration like the neighbors?
            Demolition of monuments?
            Or is it an economic boom and the dawn of an innovative economy like in Singapore?
            Please submit your version.
            hi
  • svp67
    svp67 17 August 2020 16: 58 New
    +7
    Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka: Russia finds itself in a difficult position
    Not for Lukashenko, but for the interests of Russia ...
  • Lumpen
    Lumpen 17 August 2020 16: 58 New
    -2
    Now various "exes" are stirring, expressing support for the popular protest.
    Perhaps there will appear someone from the "working environment", from the strike committees, who enjoys prestige and who should be relied upon.
    But then there will be a danger for your "ilita"
    Zugzwang
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 August 2020 17: 02 New
    0
    Events in Belarus are fraught with very serious consequences for our country. The question arises, what to do and whom to support Russia in this situation?

    So, to observe only your own interests, it is reasonable, logical ... only this is unlikely to work!
    The mustachioed man is so cunning and twisted, that it is difficult and for a long time!
    In principle, it was clear for a LONG time !!! On such lessons our cunning people should learn! BUT, as it is hard to believe ...
  • vlad_mo
    vlad_mo 17 August 2020 17: 02 New
    +1
    Well-fed is not a friend to the hungry. I invite everyone to Belarus. Live here with us. Just not like on vacation. But as citizens. Then comment.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 17 August 2020 18: 02 New
      -2
      For comparison, live on the outskirts and do not say later that you were not warned of the consequences, but the same fate awaits you
    2. Departure
      Departure 17 August 2020 18: 29 New
      +1
      Good evening, Vadim!
      If you are a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, indicate your claims against Lukashenka during his rule? I always respected him exactly until the moment when he released the security forces against his people, and so I look at my native region with destroyed enterprises, overgrown with grass, unemployment and general decline, and in the Republic of Belarus, and I see you have advantages (for me, more than significant compared to my homeland):
      - working factories, externally and internally looking more than decent. In fact, they produce products that are in demand, giving people jobs and salaries.
      - the absence of a foreign element (migrants), it seems as if you do not have them yet, and this, believe me, is worth a lot
      - normally functioning education and medicine
      And some remarks from the outside: personally, unfortunately, I was not in the Republic of Belarus, but acquaintances passing in transit all noted the outwardly very good condition of buildings in the whole country, i.e. the idea that people still have any money. I have not been to the Republic of Bashkortostan, but driving through the Tver region, for example, you wonder, when did the Second World War end? Precisely in 45, or were they bombed here yesterday?
      Lukashenka, along with Ukraine, managed to preserve industrial potential after the collapse, and I have always perceived him as a patriot of my country. Yes, let him clean up competitors, snatched somewhere, somewhere else, but this moment, about his people, I repeat, until the moment with the suppression of protests, he did not forget, if you look from the outside ...
      Something like this. I think this moment is interesting not only for me
      1. AshiSolo
        AshiSolo 18 August 2020 21: 22 New
        +1
        Bliiin ... Here's a fellow AHL, with Potemkin fences he formed the opinion that he wanted =)

        Look. In my work, I constantly ride around the country. Not only in regional cities, but also in the outback. In order.

        Working factories - yes. There are some nuances and you can argue to the point of hoarseness whether this work makes sense and how much these factories make sense, but yes. They are, they work, people get salaries for them.

        There are no migrants because not much can be earned in dirty jobs. We do not have such a surplus of jobs, when people choose better jobs for themselves, and migrants get worse ones. I rent an apartment (a modest odnushka) for the kind of money that a janitor, doctor or teacher often receives on a full-time basis (without classroom manuals, overwork or other additional work). I don't think this situation is very correct. And this is in Minsk. In the regions, everything is specifically worse. 350-400 of our new rubles are considered a good salary. Although it is now possible to live in the country with this money and feel like a man - I cannot imagine. And believe me - I'm not a snob, and I don't even want the middle class. Maybe the lowest limit.

        Education and medicine are a sore point. Yes, it looks beautiful from the outside, but all this requires an infusion of money. So that you understand correctly - a child's kindergarten per month without circles takes about 50 dollars (food, stationery, all kinds of cleaning products, etc.), which, you see, can hardly be called free education. I do not argue with the necessity of all this, but why then loudly exclaim that everything is free with us? Believe me, kindergartens where parents do not have the opportunity to donate money over food are just a quiet horror. I have seen enough of them in the villages and small towns.
        Medicine is the same song. Yes, they will write you a prescription for a cold. And yes, oddly enough, you will undergo a very expensive operation for free, or even a unique one, if you deserve it (you will live in line). But everything in between is seams. For a normal examination, you need either a year of time, or money and paid medical centers. How much we suffered with the child due to the fact that we had adenoids, and there was no pediatric ENT in the polyclinic (for 2 years there was not and in more than one polyclinic) - not to say. In the 3rd children's hospital, there are always crowds of people with children from all over the city. 2-3 hours in line at least. And when a child's ears hurt, it's just a nightmare. I had to drop into private clinics, put the child on pain relievers (they don't sell this without a prescription, and those that do not always help) and then go to the ambulance to be accepted, prescribe antibiotics and give the hospital information for sick leave. And this is (again) Minsk. And this is a picture through the eyes of one person. How many of these stories can people tell you? This I am silent about my father, heart attack, etc. It's just that all these slogans about medicine are true only for a small part. No money? They will help, of course, but they will not let me die. The rest takes a mountain of time and patience.

        As for the buildings that you saw - yes, they are constantly being painted, they are trying to maintain them in good condition and sell to someone for business. For 1 basic (25+ rubles). But with a nuance: you need to restore all communications, pay off debts for a communal apartment or for the previous owner (and there is a lot of them, tens of thousands of rubles, and sometimes dollars) and start production or business in 1-3 years. Otherwise they will take it away. Not compensating for what you spent.

        This is so, purely on top of our stable and vibrant life ...
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 22: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: AshiSolo
          Bliiin ... Here's a fellow AHL, with Potemkin fences he formed the opinion that he wanted =)

          )))
          On the site in general and in the section "opinions" of people who have a complaint against Lukashenka only that he is not Soviet enough, there are much more than usual.
        2. Departure
          Departure 22 August 2020 18: 19 New
          0
          Thanks for the answer, Igor. Yes, from the outside, everything is not seen as it really is ... Good luck in your difficult!
          1. AshiSolo
            AshiSolo 23 August 2020 00: 20 New
            0
            Yes, no reason. If you look impartially, our whole life here consists of a set of phrases like: "Well, in general, we live normally, except perhaps * substitute the necessary *" And these "maybe", some kind of critical mass gathered. And now and in general the seams. What you see in your media does not even closely reflect the picture. In my opinion, AHL is simply no longer in itself and is trying to "bend" everyone and everything by direct force. Banning all oppositional and simply objectionable publications and resources, intimidation of especially active protesters at factories, etc. And most importantly, we now have a life according to concepts. Drivers are fined for signals on the street, cars were beaten and people were dragged out on the 9-10th (there are already quite a lot of videos), but now extras from columns of cars with state flags and without license plates are driving around the cities - and nothing, no one fines them for traffic violations. People there, it is true, some killed inside are sitting, but what and who - I don't know. And so everywhere. The pro-government rallies, which are taken by buses and trains - and at whose expense the banquet is silent =) Although everything is clear here. Against this background, talking about the damage to the economy from protests is strange.

            And the cherry on top of all this apotheosis of madness - yesterday at all state. radio hour played the song "Sanya will stay with us!" without interruption and called it "patriotic flashmob". It's a shame, in fact, for all this, regardless of political views.
  • forest1
    forest1 17 August 2020 17: 05 New
    +1
    Of course, everyone decides for himself which side to stand on or to step back altogether.
    For example, just the opinion of one police lieutenant colonel with facts, figures and surnames
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 August 2020 23: 49 New
      0
      apparently soon the former yes
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 August 2020 17: 07 New
    -5
    Under Gorbachev, the USSR was actively draining allies, or rather the leadership of the allied countries. In the end, I learned what I received. Is there a chance that a person oriented towards Russia will come to replace Lukashenka? Hardly. Lacy panties made many of the crowd blind. In addition, foreign leaders know how to work for the future and "educate" destabilizing cadres. They loot them for their personal pockets, and ours climb with soul-saving conversations about brotherhood and finance the whole country. And it turns out that "I, you, he, she ..." we do not see a damn "help. And these" figures "see Soros money in their accounts. and our "State Department" will start working for the future.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 17 August 2020 17: 08 New
    +2
    Therefore, the optimal way out for Russia would be to search for such a figure who, in terms of her qualities and political position, would become a worthy replacement for Alexander Grigorievich, but at the same time would show great loyalty to Moscow.
    Alas, there are none! Lukashenka did not see them point-blank and did not support, if he did not press. There were fables about the pro-Russian candidate Babariko, this nonsense. It is enough to read his interview on the issues of relations with Russia, the desire to leave the CSTO, to exclude political moments, leaving only economic ones and so on.
    Tsepkalo, so he fled not to Russia, but to Ukraine, to become a candidate, he was recommended by a "friend" from the British parliament. There is no need to talk about the rest.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 August 2020 17: 09 New
    +1
    And who could really lead the Republic of Belarus except Lukashenka?
    Are there such politicians?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 17 August 2020 17: 14 New
      -5
      Babariko. It seems still alive and well.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 August 2020 23: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: Livonetc
      Are there such politicians?

      not. Luka cleared everyone out. request have to do. while Luke is compliant, you need to clean up the pro-Western forces and create pro-Russian ones. normal foreign policy soldier
  • VIP
    VIP 17 August 2020 17: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Arzt
    Lukashenka is a political corpse, why do we need him?

    He is a fighter. The army and the KGB are with him. He will win.

    He was a fighter until he started multi-vector
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  • Kushka
    Kushka 17 August 2020 17: 16 New
    0
    Lukashenka talks about a military threat from outside. Speaks about intrigues
    Western countries. Speaks about losses in the economy for joy
    other market participants. Talking about the marginalized, the unemployed,
    and criminal in the ranks of the demonstrators. Talking about the protesters
    that "they want to sell the country." And what is the bone of contention?
    The fact that some part of citizens (I do not presume to judge a large or
    small) doubts the correctness of the vote count, that is, declares
    to him - the guarantor - about falsification! Well, prove that she wasn't there!
    Count on disputed areas openly, together! If not true
    be healthy, disperse. If it’s true, I’m the guarantor, I’ll cut my hands
    for such a criminal distortion of the voter's choice.
    But not a word about it ... Instead, there are horror stories, one more terrible than the other.
    And in truth, they are really real. But they no longer listen to him (see above).
    1. A.TOR
      A.TOR 17 August 2020 17: 29 New
      -1
      On the question of recalculation ...
  • demo
    demo 17 August 2020 17: 18 New
    +4
    Therefore, the optimal way out for Russia would be to search for such a figure who, in terms of her qualities and political position, would become a worthy replacement for Alexander Grigorievich, but at the same time would show great loyalty to Moscow.
    This task, under time pressure conditions, is not feasible.
    And time, the most expensive resource, Luka has run out.
    Further - pure police and tyranny.
    There is not and never will be.
    Maybe the people will calm down, but this is called to drive the disease inside.

    The way the people of Belarus behaved is a precedent extremely dangerous for the Kremlin and for Putin.
    And the fact that Putin is at a loss is a fact.
    The events in Khabarovsk showed that the people began to react too sharply, according to the Kremlin, to how they spit on people's opinions.
    And the events in Belarus showed how to react to falsification and neglect of people.

    Exactly 15 minutes ago I watched a report from Belarus.
    I liked the way Luka went to the people without fear.
    I respect the brave.
    But it became obvious to me that people have ceased to be afraid to speak boldly what they would not have said before - very harsh words directly to their faces.
    And the final phrase of Luke - Now you can shout "Go away". To say this before leaving is not a conversation, it is not an attempt to start a dialogue (although what kind of dialogue can it be today?) - it is a clear message to the people who are here.
    The message is that whatever you say, I can't hear you.
    This is not how relationships are built.
    It's just not possible.
    This is a dead end.
    And Luke built it for himself and climbs into it himself.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 17 August 2020 17: 18 New
    0
    Now the times have come, it is not the people who decide their fate, but a bunch of provocateurs who are supported by the West and the predators that surround Belarus and everyone wants to snatch their piece from the sweet pie
    1. AshiSolo
      AshiSolo 18 August 2020 21: 26 New
      0
      Enemies everywhere! And even from space the Zhidoreptiloids from the planet Nibiru are predatory grinning! ...
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  • Zeev
    Zeev zeev 17 August 2020 17: 23 New
    -4
    G-rake. If Russia climbs to support Lukashenko, then the second Ukraine is provided for you. And if you stand aside, and even not let Rygorych run to Rostov, but redirect him to some Caracas or Ashgabat, then nothing will change much in the relationship.
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    2. vavilon
      vavilon 18 August 2020 22: 09 New
      -1
      Russia does not just need, it is simply obliged to take Belarus and Ukraine under its full protection
      And who doesn’t like “Suitcase station Israel” and all problems are settled
    3. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 18 August 2020 22: 31 New
      0
      You would sit in your Israel and not meddle in our affairs
  • minipig79
    minipig79 17 August 2020 17: 25 New
    +3
    In general, of course, it is funny to read the comments of respected neighbors who talk about the neighboring country in the style of "we must save", "we are obliged", etc. Dear ones, after widely disseminated pictures of purple beaten boys and girls, after the stories of all those who went through this a meat grinder and a concentration camp - minced meat cannot be turned back. Well, it’s impossible to erase from memory either the stories of those released, or the footage of beatings and executions. Naturally, carte blanche for all this was received from the very top - from Lukashenka. The freak who shoots his people, gives approval for torture in the detention center and police station, so that no one will forgive him or forget to stay on the throne. Yes, a new, even wilder wave of cruelty could have driven everyone to their holes. Can shoot the crowd with machine guns. But how can a mustache live after that? Move to BMP? Fly a helicopter at night?
    And you are seriously discussing that this scum might be worth supporting. After all, one indelible supports the other indelible.
    But no. Now the sentiment is absolutely neutral towards the Russian Federation. Don't hopelessly muck them up with your elephant-style "help" in the china shop. The barbel will fall one way or another, and make blood enemies at hand, who will definitely want to let NATO in, is a very stupid and short-sighted policy.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 17 August 2020 18: 06 New
      -3
      Who the fuck are you giving up, live as you want, lick the boots of the Poles or the ass of the Germans, FSUs ...
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 18 August 2020 00: 01 New
        -1
        Quote: rotkiv04
        lick your boots to the Poles or the ass to the Germans

        you bent it. the ceiling of a patriot of Belarus is Poland and the Balts. Germany is no longer their level.
  • IgorIP
    IgorIP 17 August 2020 17: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Give a link to this item, dreamer?

    Catch, Thomas)
    https://reform.by/babariko-schitaet-chto-belarus-dolzhna-vyjti-iz-odkb
  • bulava
    bulava 17 August 2020 17: 31 New
    0
    Of course you need to help the brotherly people of Belarus! Pro-Western liberal evil spirits, all these ghouls from which a mile away from NATO footcloths, various Nazis and Benderaites - that's who is now shaking the situation in Belarus.
    A reasonable option would be the urgent closure of the borders and the introduction of the KCH, from the Russian Federation - the help of the special services. Thoroughly cleanse the information field from openly pro-Western media, pull out all the organizers, coordinators and provocateurs of the riots point-by-point, without noise and dust.
    Opposition candidates should be let out and driven out to the Baltics.
    As a dialogue - to hold parliamentary elections so that representatives of labor collectives can nominate their candidates. And of course - to integrate with the Russian Federation as soon as possible.
    1. cmax
      cmax 17 August 2020 17: 36 New
      +2
      Margarita Simonyan (telegram)
      A letter came from Minsk:
      "Hello. After 20 years of living in Belarus, I would like to speak out and, perhaps, help to understand what is happening here.
      First, the Russian people from this country have long been trying to inform everyone that Lukashenka is not an ally of Russia. Not even a partner. He is an enemy and acts like an enemy. He takes money and uses it to quietly de-Russify. He makes promises, and then brings to the square "anti-integration protests" in which portraits of Putin are burned and photographed next to the poster "burn down the hut of a Muscovite." Every time many of my acquaintances thought, "Well, now he will receive a response from the Kremlin, well, now he will definitely be besieged." Did not arrive, did not besiege.

      Secondly, people here understand that there is no independent Belarus. Phrases like "eastern Switzerland" are heard less and less and more and more calls are being made to finally join one of the parties. Russia had a huge advantage due to a single country in the past, consciousness, language. But it fades away. There are no pro-Russian organizations here, but full of pro-Western ones. Radio Liberty broadcasts here, nationalists receive grants, but there is no pro-Russian party or public organization that would promote integration. All the activities of the bodies of the Union State are an interesting screen for cutting the dough. When you see a picture of a Belarusian protest that looks like a Maidan, don't ask yourself "why don't they see Maidan technology." People see. They just don't care.

      Third, the crowd does not hear pragmatic arguments. Any gathering of a crowd, any protest vote is a place for emotion. Therefore, when the EU ambassadors put flowers on the grave of the deceased, for a people packed to the eyeballs with emotions this argument is stronger than the promise of any help from Russia. Was it really so difficult not to recognize the elections and condemn Lukashenka? Is there really no pro-Russian candidate in a country so strongly tied to Russia who could be allowed to vote? And then, when the emotions subsided (but Russia played on them), pragmatic arguments like “look how much money Russia has poured into the economy of Belarus, and Europe would shut down your factories”. Closer to the elections, people's negative attitude towards Lukashenka has become much more acute. So much so that at work from a fellow nationalist (!) I heard “to hell, I even agree to a pro-Russian referendum, just not to live under Luka for another 5 years”. And it's not a joke. I realized that many seemingly pro-European people are ready to accept green men, because "why? In Crimea, life has become better." It was a chance. I checked a bottle of cognac that my friend and I promised to drink after integration.
      A huge event was the violent crackdown on the protests with rubber bullets and flashbangs, as well as the deaths of several protesters. Once again, talking with my Russophobic acquaintances, I heard the sacred "Putin never dispersed like that." I bought a huge Russian flag, took out a T-shirt with the "Keep calm and wait for Russians" print and waited. Unfortunately, I didn’t wait. The moment was missed, and congratulations on the victory only made the situation worse.

      The counterargument of many Russians to the previous point is "but you can't do that! This is interference in the life of a sovereign state!" To begin with, three times "ha". Belarus is not a sovereign state. Is it really not clear that if Russia does not do this, then the USA or someone else will do so? I sometimes think that Russia has simply lost the technology and will that allowed them to put up puppet Soviet regimes. But after all, 2008 and 2014 still pop up before our eyes. The Kremlin can, if it snaps. Not listening to local kings, not paying attention to the sanctions - they just do their job. Please stop looking for allies. We do not have them and cannot have them. Interests only.
      I don't know why I wrote this. It was necessary to speak out, probably. There is nothing else for me, a pro-Russian Belarusian. Either the Russian authorities will begin to act harshly, or before the meeting in the new European Belarus "
      1. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 17 August 2020 18: 10 New
        -3
        According to the rules of the Russian language, it is necessary to write Belarus, it turns out that the person who has heated up all this is not at all pro-Russian
    2. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 17 August 2020 17: 47 New
      +2
      There are no pro-Western media in Belarus. There are no mass media in Belarus at all, except for state or controlled private ones. Even over private radio stations and websites there are idols that can safely shut down any news platform. In addition, on the day of elections in Belarus, the entire infospace was cut down, except for state TV channels. And this brought to the streets even those who were indifferent to what was happening in their country. And the organizers, provocateurs and coordinators are the people - accountant Anya from Bobruisk, gopnik Vasya from Serebryanka, electrician Sasha and weaver Masha. They are the ones who go out into the courtyards, call friends, correspond via telegrams (bypassing the blockages) to gather on the street in white blouses with flowers. They buy cuts of white and red cloth in a haberdashery store and sew white-red-white flags, they draw slogans (in Russian, mind you) or a crooked "Pagonya" on a piece of cardboard. It will not work to jail everyone, and even to intimidate, after the executions, beatings and detentions even more people took to the streets.
    3. Stena
      Stena 17 August 2020 18: 05 New
      0
      Quote: bulava
      Of course you need to help the brotherly people of Belarus!

      Not tired of dragging chestnuts out of the fire? Either they built the Georgian SSR for the Georgians, or the Ukrainians, the Ukrainian SSR, etc. Not tired yet, do not understand who will organize the state?
      It is reasonable to help one people - the Russian. But the fact that it was divided into many parts, three main of which are: Russians, Bolos / Arusians, Little Russians. And the Russian people should live in Russia.
      The main help implies further actions to unite the divided people, don't you think?
      Quote: bulava
      A reasonable option would be the urgent closure of the borders and the introduction of the KCH, from the Russian Federation - the help of the special services. Thoroughly cleanse the information field from openly pro-Western media, pull out all the organizers, coordinators and provocateurs of the riots point-by-point, without noise and dust.
      Opposition candidates should be let out and driven out to the Baltics.
      As a dialogue - to hold parliamentary elections so that representatives of labor collectives can nominate their candidates. And of course - to integrate with the Russian Federation as soon as possible.

      By yourself.
      The President of the Russian Federation VVP has already announced everything that is needed.
      Strategies for all cases are developed and implemented.
      I hope to see the unification of a single people.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 17 August 2020 17: 36 New
    +2
    Poland sleeps and sees how to take back the Belarusian and Ukrainian lands, captured after the war of 1920 and taken back by the USSR in 1939. But not only that. There is one more subtlety. The fact is that the Polish economy has been living on subsidies and loans from the European Union since 1990. And now, from 2021, subsidies end, and loans must be given. In Poland, the economic downturn has been going on for two years now and it will sharply intensify this fall. So the decision must be made quickly.
    Similar to the decision of Great Britain - it is necessary to leave the EU! But! This requires sales markets and subsidies analogues. They came up with a wonderful idea - it is necessary to unite Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine into a new "Rzeczpospolita" "from Mozha to Mozha", and the main countries will be Poland and Lithuania (which, due to its smallness, will not perform much), but Ukraine and Belarus become colonies. Where you can sell your goods.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 17 August 2020 18: 07 New
      0
      Yes, they already sell their goods there ...
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 17 August 2020 18: 23 New
        0
        RB is a member of the Eurasian Union, you have to pay the duty. Plus gas transit. Poles against SP-2.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 17 August 2020 17: 39 New
    +2
    Again a provocative headline on the pages of VO!
    How not to stand up for the union state? There is a contract. Signed - must be done. Yes, Lukashenka tried to shit under our door. But the contract was not broken.
  • U-58
    U-58 17 August 2020 17: 40 New
    +2
    Without doubting that invisible work is going on at all levels - from politicians to special services in support of Lukashenka, I note that the situation is very similar to teaching a lesson to the same Lukashenka. For intractability and for the unfriendly statements of the last days. Like, either you will be nobody or you will be "our son of a bitch".
    Tellingly, the dad's choice is very small. Or really become nobody (if not worse), or become very, very loyal to the Kremlin.
    1. Elysium
      Elysium 17 August 2020 18: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: U-58
      teaching a lesson to the same Lukashenka. For intractability and for unfriendly statements of the last days. Like, either you will be nobody or you will be "our son of a bitch".

      I would like to believe in it.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 August 2020 17: 41 New
    0
    Lukashenka has one way out, to go to court himself, to recognize the elections as legal .. smile And so, you can't leave, you can't stay ... that's such a situevina ...
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 18 August 2020 00: 12 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      And so, you can't leave, you can't stay ... that's such a situevina ...

      but with what re-singing he can't stay? where is the logic? the siloviki are with him, he covered himself from the "forceful solution from the side". why should he leave ??? why is Macron not going to go anywhere, although he has been in trouble for three years, and Luka will suddenly run somewhere?
      I'm not saying that Luka is ours and everything Belarusian. he is everyone's enemy. but where will he leave? where is the logic? by the fact that in some Polish sheets they wrote that?
  • bulava
    bulava 17 August 2020 17: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: Kushka
    the fact that some part of citizens (I do not presume to judge a large or
    small) doubts the correctness of the vote count, that is, declares
    to him - the guarantor - about falsification! Well, prove that she wasn't there!

    In riots and unauthorized rallies in Minsk, no more than 100 people took part at the time, which is less than 000% of the total population of the city. In Belarus the situation is about the same (even less likely).
    Are you offering to prove something to these 5% incomprehensible busters? Can the rest of 95% of the inhabitants of Belarus still kneel before them?
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 18 August 2020 00: 21 New
      -3
      Quote: bulava
      The riots and unauthorized rallies in Minsk were attended by no more than 100 people at the time

      everything is very simple ... we find photos of Zenith arena on the Internet. it is 64 thousand people. look at the photo. then we look at the photos of the rallies in Minsk. we see that there are fewer people. about 30-40 thousand. request
      about 500 thousand are written by provocateurs and villagers who had previously seen the largest crowd of people at a meeting in the house of culture of their collective farm request
      Quote: bulava
      Are you offering to prove something to these 5% incomprehensible busters?

      you get the point yes here all these wrestlers are rubbing with red that it is "all the people of Belarus."
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 06: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: SanichSan
        provocateurs and villagers write about 500 thousand

        You are absolutely right.

        It is you who write about 500 thousand here. Adequate people give an estimate of 100-200 thousand.

        Quote: SanichSan
        we find on the Internet a photo of the Zenith arena. it is 64 thousand people. look at the photo. then we look at the photos of the rallies in Minsk.


        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 18 August 2020 09: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          [/ Center]

          And now we look from a different angle - a little higher:

          And the monolith of thousands of protesters disintegrates into people standing quite freely. smile
          Generally, the way to shoot thousands of protest demonstrations known since the times of the USSR. The number is nothing, the angle is everything!
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 18 August 2020 11: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In general, the method of filming thousands of protest demonstrations has been known since Soviet times. The number is nothing, the angle is everything!

            right. I wrote about this. at the stadium it won't work. there are chairs and seats are fixed.
            in short there is about 40k, but nonsense fantasize about 200-500 bully
          2. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 13: 53 New
            +3
            Why are you, dear friend, showing a photo taken about 2 hours before the action? Don't you know that Stella looked different during the day? And at the time of your photo, a huge number of people are on the right off-screen?

            And to recall the Soviet bullshit on any occasion is a win-win move. I myself am a Crimean, the daughter of an officer, everything is not so simple, believe me.

            Do you know how to remove all doubts about the number of people who support or do not support? Conduct elections that do not raise questions from start to finish.

            Mr. Lukashenko said yesterday that such elections could be held after his death. An honest, straightforward person, correct, wise words.

            Well, the Belarusians were lucky, finally. Who is to blame, what to do and where to start is known. Get to work.
          3. Liam
            Liam 18 August 2020 14: 04 New
            -1
            You are doing bullshit. Even a superficial analysis immediately shows that these two photos were taken at different times. The yellow bus in the upper left corner of the first photo is absent in the second. Again, in the first photo, there is one flag at the mast. On the second, there are -2 flags.
            Your stuffing even on the nursery ... find 5 differences ... will not pull
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  • seacap
    seacap 17 August 2020 17: 45 New
    0
    This incompetence and passivity of our leadership, the surrender of their interests in their primordial territories of the post-Soviet space, can no longer be attributed simply to mistakes or unprofessionalism, this is already completely similar to direct sabotage and betrayal, direct destruction of the Slavic civilization, lost everywhere, complete weakness and helplessness. Total belief in loot turned out to be insignificant and did not replace experience, patriotism and common sense. All these events throughout our post-Soviet space, the growth of Russophobia and the loss in the information and propaganda war, the lack of ideas and any kind of opposition, confirms the idea that our (no, of course) leadership is more like an occupation (colonial) administration. The appointment of such an administration is one thing - the plundering of this territory, cleaning it from the indigenous population, the destruction of the national state as such. Those. finally, the dreams and plans of a dead but not stupid Pole are coming true, that this Russian state will be destroyed by the hands of the Russians and at the expense of the Russians, i.e. that the West could not in the 41st and in previous centuries are successfully completed by the descendants of the "winners" themselves. The once great empire, created by a great nation as a winner, through the efforts of its own wretched and degraded "elite" (the term for animal husbandry), has been turned into a laughing stock for the whole world, into a colonial third-rate country, unable to defend itself, or help and protect its brothers, or defend and even articulate your interests clearly. Therefore, any non-state, such as our former "brothers" and neighbors, calmly and unrequitedly can spit on the portraits and graves of our heroes and ancestors, and everywhere they treat us like morons with their own hands, who destroyed their country without any war, who betrayed their friends and allies, for jeans and chewing gum, who gave up their wealth, collected for centuries by their ancestors, for plunder, stupefied by impunity and permissiveness to the morally and spiritually degraded "upper" class, the notorious 1%, under the total control of "overseas partners", and the people of the richest country to extinction in poverty ...
  • bulava
    bulava 17 August 2020 17: 46 New
    -2
    Quote: Tank jacket
    Poland sleeps and sees how to take back the Belarusian and Ukrainian lands, captured after the war of 1920 and taken back by the USSR in 1939.

    Poland can no longer see anything, it just sleeps crushed by the NATO boot on one side and the EU hoof on the other. If they start some kind of military activity on their own, then this will be the final touch in their history.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 17 August 2020 19: 37 New
      0
      A little attention ...
      "Similar to the decision of the UK - you need to leave the EU!"
  • Million
    Million 17 August 2020 17: 47 New
    +3
    Who else to stand up for? For the woman who dumped in Latvia? And Latvia is a country where NATO soldiers feel at home ...
    Does Russia have a choice?
    1. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 18 August 2020 20: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Million
      Who else to stand up for? For the woman who dumped in Latvia? And Latvia is a country where NATO soldiers feel at home ...
      Does Russia have a choice?

      Dumped to Lithuania. And she did not dump, but was taken to the border in a KGB car and expelled from the country.
      "BABA", "LATVIA" - how nice it is, in the spirit of Lukashenka. One to one.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 17 August 2020 17: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: UserGun
    Are you, my friend, propagandizing the junta?

    Personally, I am For. Belarusians themselves are asking us about it.
    The people and the army are one.

    And you can clarify ... where is this and when the Belarusians called on the army to take power into their own hands ?! ... repeat
  • Valery Minsk
    Valery Minsk 17 August 2020 17: 48 New
    +6
    I live in Minsk and I know what happened at polling stations and prisons not from the media. The people are shocked by the transcendental deception and sadism. It touched a lot of people, women cry, men gnash their teeth in hatred of the security forces. And believe the majority in the country now don't give a shit about your comments, about any integrations, about the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Europe, about the economy, salaries, etc. All this has receded into the background. People are losing health and dying in prisons and so far no solution to this popular pain is visible. So go away with your hysteria.
    1. Million
      Million 17 August 2020 17: 56 New
      -2
      I would like to ask the Belarusians: what do you want? For Lukashenka to leave, and instead of him come "Western democracy" like in Ukraine?
      1. pro100y.belarus
        pro100y.belarus 18 August 2020 20: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: Million
        I would like to ask the Belarusians: what do you want? For Lukashenka to leave, and instead of him come "Western democracy" like in Ukraine?

        He who has ears - let him hear, he who has eyes - let him see.
        Read the comments above.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 17 August 2020 18: 02 New
      -2
      in the country now, don't give a damn about your comments, about any integrations, about the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Europe, about the economy, salaries, etc.
      .... You will have to return to this anyway, that's the point ... The trouble is what and how is happening ... The worst thing is that now, by his actions, Lukashenka is knocking integration and friendship with Russia out of your heads , and overhaul ... Goes back to 1991 ...
    3. bulava
      bulava 17 August 2020 18: 06 New
      -6
      People are losing health and dying in prisons and so far no solution to this popular pain is in sight. So go away with your hysteria.

      Most of these people were involved in unauthorized actions, right? Well, someone, of course, was caught by mistake. Yes, guys, you were completely set up, provoked and set up. Now you need not to scream "Go away" with foam at your mouth, but to rally around your leader and calmly discuss everything.
      The provocateurs only need a strike to start, the economy collapse, and chaos begins. They want to bring you back to 1994. Don't you get it?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 17 August 2020 18: 28 New
        -2
        Interestingly, everyone is against the "cockroach", but other cockroaches from the opposition do not show their faces ... It is not profitable ... so that the people would not be disappointed ...
      2. Valery Minsk
        Valery Minsk 17 August 2020 19: 11 New
        +2
        when you get your child, all beaten to the blue, who went to the store for bread in the evening, then you sit down and discuss, and now shut up
      3. pro100y.belarus
        pro100y.belarus 18 August 2020 20: 49 New
        -1
        Quote: bulava
        Do you not understand this?

        Don't you understand - in order to understand something, you have to live here.
        I will write you instructions on how to walk the tightrope. It's just about putting your feet straight and keeping your balance. But you will fall anyway, because you have never walked on it.
    4. U-58
      U-58 17 August 2020 19: 19 New
      -1
      What do you want? Wow, I'm not the only one asking this!
      You really decide.
      And then it will be like that woman who all her life dreamed of sleeping with a man who has an exorbitantly large penis. And when this happened, it hurt and excruciatingly, she let herself reproach herself, like, for what she fought for, she ran into it ..
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 17 August 2020 17: 52 New
    +1
    Everything is as usual - we are not ready.
    “We” are not VO readers, but more broadly - ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, but our country represented by the Chief, plus his entourage in terms of foreign policy gestures.
    And the reason lies on the surface - in the field of long-term forecasting of international relations, we are 500 years behind the West, probably, because our approach is simple: “if I give, and you take, then you are my vassal and must work”. Such a narrow-minded approach in foreign policy, especially in relation to the former "allies" in the USSR - "where are they going to get away from us, without our oil and gas, eh?", Played a bad joke with us in Ukraine, and most likely, the same will happen in Belarus.
    Everything, I emphasize this in red, all of our and their leaders are former party functionaries, either come from the organs, or else BG knows who, but flesh and blood "born in the USSR" - that is, people who are fundamentally not trained to think strategically, build long and complex foreign policy multi-moves, because there was simply no time for them - history, and especially the latest, of our countries did not allow this, not to multi-moves, do you understand when you have a civil, then industrialization, then a war of survival in the most direct sense of this words, then the restoration of the country after the European invasion, then the Cold War and all this in less than 100 years.
    But there is another skill - to make quick, non-calculated, non-standard, risky and adventurous decisions. With the hope that it will "carry". This is, of course, effective, but not effective in the long run.
    In connection with the above, the appearance of a pro-Russian leader who could replace Batka is probably not worth waiting for, because such a person, and most importantly, his entourage, needs to prepare more than one five-year plan, although I would not completely discard this opportunity - for improvisation, it is such an improvisation, you know.
    I think so.
  • UserGun
    UserGun 17 August 2020 17: 56 New
    0
    Quote: kapitan92
    EU replays in the information space


    The EU, guys, is beating you first of all economically. The Russian Federation has already lost the Economic Olympiad. By the way, this is one of the reasons for such events. They also freely travel to their relatives and just like that abroad, as we are from region to region, to relatives. They compare how others live and, alas, the score is not in your favor.
  • BAI
    BAI 17 August 2020 17: 58 New
    -1
    Is it worth standing up for Lukashenka: Russia finds itself in a difficult position

    There is no choice here. If there is no RF in the Republic of Belarus, the United States will be in the Republic of Belarus.
  • Vovk
    Vovk 17 August 2020 18: 10 New
    -1
    I now look at the Belarusians and see how they themselves chop the branch of their well-being.
    Doesn't the history of your southern neighbor Ukraine teach you anything?
    Do you think that when President Lukashenko leaves ... everything will be fine with you?
    Yes, in a year you will be on your knees remembering his economic rule as the "golden age".
    Your enterprises and factories will be stupidly ruined, moreover, both western and eastern neighbors will be happy about it, there will be no foreign investments.
    70% of factory workers and employees will be simply thrown out into the street by the "new owners", pensions will be stolen from pensioners by inflation and the depreciation against currencies - they will not index them ... salaries will also drop, there will also be several times higher prices for utilities.
    And like mushrooms you will have the first oligarchs and multimillionaires after the privatization of industry, and the common people will become poor ...
    I feel very sorry for the Ukrainians for the Belarusians, who do not understand that stability is better than endless changes.