Emancipation in Chinese: MBT ZTZ88A and four tankers

Judging by the numerous comments of supporters of “gender inequality” in military life, in Russia, among the “strong half of humanity”, a negative approach to attracting women to military service prevails.

For example, negative reviews are constantly expressed about the relatively recent beginning of admission to the flight school of girls. So, commenting on the material published on "Voennoye Obozreniye" "For the first time in stories Russian girls will become cadets of the aviation school ”it was stated:

The first thing we do is ruin the planes ... (user Alexei).

The "weaker sex" also contributed:

An acquaintance of mine served as a private, it seems, in the Air Defense Forces. She confessed to me frankly that she was going to the army of her husband to find (Tatyana).

At the same time, the Chinese media posted a whole selection of photographs depicting the combat everyday life of the crew, consisting entirely of women. A crew of four girls serves on MBT ZTZ88A from the 8th Combined Arms Division in Xinjiang.

Many people think that girls are not suitable for the position of commander. tank detachments. It takes more effort to break this idea than men.

- explains Sergeant Shi Shi.

As long as you are on the battlefield, it doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman. I want to prove that girls can be on the battlefield too

- says Huanghai Xiang.

When the instructors taught us the basics of movement and loading, they asked me in advance if you could handle this? I myself realized that my hands were weak, and it was really hard for me

- says Hu Yanli, explaining that he had to train for a long time and gain excess weight.

They proved by their actions: women are better than men!

- writes the publication China Military, summing up the emancipation in Chinese.

Comments

[Trapp1st]

A woman has no place in a normal army, but to people who go to the army to prove something to someone, even more so.

[Kuzmich Sibiryakov]

Quote: Trapp1st

A woman has no place in a normal army, but to people who go to the army to prove something to someone, even more so.

In the army there is something for everyone. A lot of work is not on the front line. There are a lot of paperwork in the headquarters, a woman at this job surpasses the man in her perseverance, attentiveness, and perseverance. Supply divisions, service personnel - cooking, restoration of uniforms ..... Repair and restoration divisions. I am silent about medicine. This is so common that there is no point in mentioning it.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov

There are a lot of paperwork in the headquarters, a woman at this job surpasses the man in her perseverance, attentiveness, and perseverance. Supply divisions, service personnel - food preparation, restoration of uniforms ..... Repair and restoration divisions. I am silent about medicine. This is so common that there is no point in mentioning it.

Air defense troops are also traditional. Not in the starting battery, of course, missiles for PUSHKA pull , and in RTV and control - operators, planners, guidance.

[Martin]

Quote: Alexey RA

Air defense troops are also traditional.

I disagree about operators and tablet players. Exactly, as a former operator and flatbed player. Not because women will work worse, but because the working conditions there are not women.
Murmansk Sopka on the border with Norway. Polar night and up to -52 Celsius (this is a real figure during my service, albeit one-time). Drinking water is snow. The washing room is the same snow. The place of washing is DES, it is warm there from diesel engines. Bathhouse once a week, you have to go down from the hill to the company. But not every time you manage to wash yourself, because the "Socialist Revolutionaries" (SR-71A) do not care about your problems. Permanent readiness number 1 for the "Black Bustard" or turntables near the border. I am generally silent about routine maintenance with frozen iron. Plus to all the charms - high-frequency radiation. Although all protection measures have been taken, there is no 100% protection.
Not. This work is not for women.

[Kuzmich Sibiryakov]

Quote: Martyn

Quote: Alexey RA

Air defense troops are also traditional.

I disagree about operators and tablet players. Exactly, as a former operator and flatbed player. Not because women will work worse, but because the working conditions there are not women.
Murmansk Sopka on the border with Norway. Polar night and up to -52 Celsius (this is a real figure during my service, albeit one-time). Drinking water is snow. The washing room is the same snow. The place of washing is DES, it is warm there from diesel engines. Bathhouse once a week, you have to go down from the hill to the company. But not every time you manage to wash yourself, because the "Socialist Revolutionaries" (SR-71A) do not care about your problems. Permanent readiness number 1 for the "Black Bustard" or turntables near the border. I am generally silent about routine maintenance with frozen iron. Plus to all the charms - high-frequency radiation. Although all protection measures have been taken, there is no 100% protection.
Not. This work is not for women.

Your service was not much different from the front. Unless only without enemy shelling. Of course, a woman at the front is ...

[svp67]

Quote: Kuzmich Sibiryakov

I am silent about medicine.

Communications, they are good signalers, planners, and there are many places where they can replace men, but service on tanks, especially on the ones in the photo ... NO, THIS IS NOT A WOMAN'S BUSINESS. Heavy, dirty, stuffy. They were even photographed with the lightest shells, and if you hand them the OFS and force them to fully load the c / c into the tank, and remove and install the standard DShK, I am already silent about the maintenance of the chassis, wedge-bolt and battery

[Graz]

I think in one and a half billion China, there will be enough people to find in the army without female crews of tanks

[Clear]

Quote: Trapp1st

A woman has no place in a normal army, but to people who go to the army to prove something to someone, even more so.

Of course, women need to be protected from hard work, not trying to make them dig trenches and run around with a machine gun. The main task of a woman is to give birth to a child, to create a family.
But now the differences between the sexes are gradually being erased. Men are becoming more and more like women and vice versa. And serving girls in the army will only reduce this difference.
It seems to me that the divorce rate is on the rise precisely because men have lost their masculinity and women have lost their femininity. Therefore, both those and others lose their attractiveness in the eyes of each other. And if they start to drive women into the army, men will stop marrying altogether. Who needs a wife-ensign or mother-in-law-general?
And so most of the ladies of their spouses are firmly driven under the heel. And if the wife served in the army, but the husband did not, the man has no chance of becoming the head of the family.

[Martin]

Quote: Clear

The main task of a woman is to give birth to a child, to create a family.

And look beautiful.
What is also relevant for the army: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=OulzMQ-kw90&feature=emb_logo

[donavi49]

Well this is.

If we take specifically China, then there are a lot of girls in the army and research institutes. For example, Yang Yi is the deputy director of the 701 Research Institute, in 1997, the chief designer of the type 022 missile catamaran boat (they made a hundred).

Or Wei Huixiao, passed the entire naval path, rose to the rank of chief officer, and then the commander of a 052C-type destroyer (48 S-300F-HHQ-9 missiles).

By the way, in Russia they follow the path of purely female crews, for example, the Raptor has recently been made for women, and it seems like the National Guard also wants a female rook. In China, the same path is mixed. Like, if you've reached the top, then here's your rank and go.

[Pereira]

Well, the first photos are out of despair.
And for the rest - well, you hunt for the army - go. But making a cult out of it is stupid. Unless you know that you will never have to fight.
Otherwise I can see how the female company of the National Guard on the square with clubs and tear gas disperses the protesters.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

We also had a woman who was in charge of the Department of Defense. Vasiliev surname. So successfully sawed the budget together with the minister-stool-builder, that not every man will be able to.

[Pereira]

I have never disputed that individual women are able to surpass many, many men.

[VIP]

But they talked about the female crew of the tank

[VIP]

"Raptor recently made by women" compares a patrol boat and a tank - fried snow.
Physical activity cannot be compared

[aszzz888]

donavi49
Yesterday, 12: 42

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Well this is.

And it is hard to explain why there are photos with Russian women servicemen during the Second World War, when the whole people of the USSR fought against the Nazis ?, including women? The article deals with the present tense, not the mid-19th century. Or is there a war going on now? Not correct, and smells like a flood.

[Boris55]

Quote: Trapp1st

A woman has no place in a normal army

Is the Red Army that defeated Nazi Germany normal or what?

There is no place on the battlefield and in the trenches, but so far not a single war has gone without nurses-sisters, without signalmen ... In the army, they are needed as an incentive factor for men to improve their level of combat skill.

[Trapp1st]

There is no place on the battlefield and in the trenches

And insert a photo of the 46th guards nbap, which lost more than 20% of the composition in battles.

Is the Red Army that defeated Nazi Germany normal or what?

German-fascist Germany was defeated by the Soviet Union, from the rear to the front-line soldiers, at the cost of monstrous losses.

[Boris55]

Quote: Trapp1st

at the cost of monstrous losses.

Combat losses are comparable to the losses of the Germans, and this is without taking into account all the other participants in that war. Of the 27 million killed our citizens, 20 million are civilians.

ps
The photo is like an example of women's participation in the war. There are also snipers, tankers and many other places.

[Trapp1st]

The photo is like an example of women's participation in the war. There are also snipers, tankers and many other places.

We have a war of destruction, there is a question about existence itself, what weapons would women, old people and children take? Or are we here discussing the issue of "gender inequality" in military life?

[Boris55]

Quote: Trapp1st

We have a war of destruction going on, the question of existence itself is?

Exactly. The war never ends, it only passes from one phase to another - from hot to cold and vice versa.
M. Thatcher - 10-15 million population is enough to service the pipe in Russia
T. Blair - 15-30 million is enough.

The rest of the population must be destroyed.

More broadly speaking, women are engaged in raising boys from birth, and it depends on who they raise whether there will be a war or not.

Quote: Trapp1st

Or are we here discussing the issue of "gender inequality" in military life?

You wrote it:
"Nazi Germany was defeated by the Soviet Union, all from the rear to the front-line soldiers, at the cost of monstrous losses."
I just answered you.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Not in the tank forces and not in the submarine fleet. This is my personal opinion.

[Uncle lee]

Not according to the charter!

[Alexey RA]

The commander performed LBZ for the female crew.

[RUnnm]

If a woman is in the army, it means that the men are hiding behind their skirts. This means that the men did something wrong. This in no way diminishes the merits of women in the army, at the front. But, I think that women have a completely opposite purpose in life.

[Pereira]

Once upon a time, knitting and typing on typewriters was also a purely masculine occupation.
If a woman is in the army, then the men considered such a pastime ineffective. Or someone has deliberately made it ineffective.

[RUnnm]

Forgive me, but it's not about comparison, a woman can be the director of Gazprom, or her destiny is KKK. I had in mind only my personal opinion - to die, to kill, to eat dirt and to tear out enemies with teeth is the business of men. And women should bring into this world a counterbalance to our dark beginning - good (I am sure YOU don’t distort this word, saying that I call the defense of the Motherland evil), light, life, children ...
And the death of a man is a tragedy, but the death of a woman is the death of all subsequent generations.
But again, this is just my opinion.

[Pereira]

Don't attribute a dark beginning to me. I'm actually white and fluffy. I just live in the 21st century. That is why he grew poisonous teeth.
1. When men run out, women have to either fight or bear children of conquerors. There is already a civilizational choice.
2. And the death of all subsequent generations can result not only from the death of a woman, but also from her unwillingness to give birth. Which is also a civilizational choice.
If men believe that the army is bad, and women, which is good, then the meaning of the army's existence is deliberately perverted by someone. Including so that women give birth less. Those. losses without war see item 2.
In short, this is a dimensionless topic.

[Livonetc]

Even the goal of joining the army in order to find a husband is certainly justified, both personally and in the interests of the state.
And for a military man, finding a companion who understands what military service is is a very valuable find.

[Trapp1st]

Even the goal of joining the army is to find a husband

It only speaks about why she is not married. There is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, which are full of men and where women are in demand as employees.

[VIP]

You can't argue with that. I know a case when a normal officer married a witch and ended up drank himself and shot 2 people

[Engineer]

To be honest, looking at the pictures of these women, I have no doubt about their ability to perform combat missions.
A striking contrast to what a woman is a soldier in the RF Armed Forces.
In our country, a woman in the army is not taken seriously, and women are not taken seriously in the army.
A woman is quite suitable not only for service in the rear units. Although it is probably not necessary to shove them into special forces.

[iouris]

A woman in a quilted jacket can be easily distinguished from a man in a quilted jacket by how gracefully she carries a railway sleeper.

[Laksamana besar]

There were three Russian female tank crews at ARMI-2019, but they did not participate in the general competition.

- We removed the braids under the helmets ... Become .... At a running position - a march - the girls in black uniforms with the emblem of the International Army Games rushed to the combat vehicles. There were three tanks - green, yellow and red. And there are nine girls - three for each combat vehicle. The hatches of the towers were battened down, the engines roared, the tanks driven by the ladies covered the stands with black smoke and took off. Firing line - there is a hit. Machine gun bursts - the target is hit ... Water barrier, tank ditch ....

Nine girls - from the corporal to the senior lieutenant - are our very, very tankers. They were selected from 54 who responded to the call and completed a course in one of the training courses for tank forces in Kovrov. They are actually doctors and nurses, communications and telephone operators ... But the desire to master the tank besides driving a car brought them together.

[From Germany]

I spat when women began to be admitted to motorized riflemen in the Bundeswehr, if only because the total load during the march was 5 kg less than that of men. This can be 5kg less food and ammunition, which can be so useful in battle (God forbid, of course). Yes nafig such a platoon did not give up to me. On average, a woman is not as hardy and strong as a man. Will she be able to withstand the G-forces during menstruation as a pilot in a jet plane as a trained male pilot? Will she be able to carry ammunition on a par with a man or walk 30-40 km at full load? Will the female crew be able to deliver the fallen tracks on the tank in the field? Surely there is a certain number that can, but this is an exception to the rule, let them go wherever they want, and let the rest not meddle in their own business and serve as radio operators or in the medical battalion, which by the way is no less important for the army's defenses.

[rotfuks]

All these burps of feminism have long been known after the legalized gender equality in the US military. There women serve in any position, even a pilot, even a tanker, even a mortarman. Because a real feminist demands equal treatment and equal pay. True, sometimes strange attacks happen. Female mortar workers want to receive a salary on a par with men in the mortar crew, but flatly refuse to carry the mortar plate. A woman driver makes many kilometers on a truck, but flatly refuses to change the punctured wheels. That is, they want a salary like men, but at the right time they remember that they are women.

[Cyril G ...]

Have the Chinese men run out of service in the army? They already have a gender imbalance there - there are more and stronger boys.
I understand when daddy shoves his only daughter into the commander of a destroyer. We need to attach the offspring .. And in the tank ?! And pull the torn caterpillar on the march? And load the shells? And what about repairs during the play?

[hagen]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Have the Chinese men run out of service in the army?

Once at the school he studied foreign armies, including the PLA. An interesting fact, the number of men of military age in China is much higher than the number of vacancies in the army. Therefore, these places were occupied, and today nothing has changed in this, according to the competition. And for something that we do not have in normal universities. There was an unprecedented motivation for Europe and, accordingly, the skill of mastering the available military equipment. Women's tank crews are nothing more than a tribute to modern fashion. Like, everyone has it, and the Chinese have to get it. There is no real need for this. The mobilization resource of China is more than 200 million people !!!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Hagen

There was an unprecedented motivation for Europe and, accordingly, the skill of mastering the available military equipment.

Well, the PRC has very well maintained its 956th projects, and two ships are now undergoing modernization. As you know, we have 3 half-dead ships left

[Thrifty]

Actually, this is an internal affair of the Chinese, but I am a conservative in this regard - the linear parts are not for women, as well as constant heavy physical exertion!

[Trapp1st]

Actually, this is an internal affair of the Chinese

In general, window dressing is peculiar not only to the Chinese.

[113262a]

As I understand it, this is their type 62 car. It's fun for them to load the BC there, and the loader is not to be envied! And just put-shoot a 23 mm inset barrel! WOW a song! Splicing a goose-there and brute-men carried hands! ... And how to throw barrels on the horns? Which are 270 kg each (220 solar cars, the rest is iron). We also had OPOLENOCHKI in the LDNR, but we coddled them - mom, don't worry! Women are women in Africa too!

[donavi49]

Well, there is generally a Chinese L7 cannon, slightly altered. But yes, fun.

Your tank (probably your first - which cannot be said to be a clone with a different gun and engine). But in between. They still can't finish writing. Cons of a large army. And if Tipu62 has just now been replaced, then 88 is already 2 generations of Chinese MBT outdated (96 and family and 99 and family).

[betta]

Do not forget this is a different people, they have a different attitude towards a person. And yet, they still have a lot of poor people, but here it is not a bad job: clothes, food, a roof over their heads, they probably pay extra.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Trapp1st

A woman has no place in a normal army, but to people who go to the army to prove something to someone, even more so.

idiots, but not a place, but they persistently take them there; but about the girls I will not say anything, let them serve where it is appropriate.

[APASUS]

Whom do I want to convince I don’t understand?
There are still standards for dressing tracks, replacing support and support rollers, loading ammunition depends on the survival of the tank in battle.

For example, a track with an open metal hinge weighs almost 1.700 kilograms. The drive wheel (drive sprocket) is about 150 kilograms. Only one truck weighs 16 kilograms - and there are 81 of them in the tape! ..

And women will do it?

[donavi49]

Well, they have it common. Here is the 75th group, on more modern tanks, also female crews.

[VIP]

How many such crews do they have? I thought: 1-2 for fun, but I did not expect

[donavi49]

Enough, even the crews are already riding the Type99A.

[Prisoner]

For Chinese women, that's it. They are their husbands and in civilian life is the only way to blow snow.

[Naval]

[media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = fmNY-6-tkf8]
Something like this!

[VIP]

How everything started: we have had automatic loaders for a long time, and the Chinese and Amers in the carriage are loading russula umbales.
The Chinese put the weightlifter there as a loader.

[geologist]

I remember, underground, I decided to help the girls deliver a container with rods (18 kg) along the rising one - only, it seems, 30 meters up the ladders. I thought it was lightweight, but the whole trick was that the container had to be held by the handle i.e. one hand was busy and the whole climb turned into a circus act. With a jerk he threw the container up a couple of steps, then, trying not to lose balance, he tore off his arm and legs and jumped up. On the third staircase (5 m each) I caught the rhythm and things went faster. After 30 m of vertical, all in sweat, I fell out onto the sublevel, where the girls had been sitting for a long time and cheerfully telling jokes. After that, I started to respect the women in the mine.

[VicktorVR]

I wonder how they pull the caterpillar? :)
Or call servicemen? :)