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Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

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Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

In the Republic of Belarus, people were horrified at the atrocities committed by law enforcement agencies during the dispersal of peaceful demonstrations in Minsk, Zhodin, Brest and others from August 9, 2020. Most of them in Minsk are the work of servicemen of military unit 3214 (Minsk) of the internal troops of the Republic of Belarus.


Why did yesterday's schoolchildren and good guys with excellent health, after being drafted into the army and serving in the internal troops of our country, behave so cruelly towards their own citizens, whose whole fault sometimes lies in the fact that they were in the wrong place and in the wrong that time? There was not a single case of manifestation of humanism and assistance to the victims by the soldiers and officers of the internal troops.

All this is the result of the purposeful activity of the command of the internal troops. It was necessary to create a punitive force from the internal troops that would be able to carry out any order and would stop at nothing to disperse protests and demonstrations of people who took to the streets. And the authorities succeeded! Monsters have appeared to the world. Only the "owner" could manage them.

How did the creation of monsters take place?

It was necessary to create a system that would turn yesterday's boys into obedient soldiers, capable of any atrocities when fulfilling the orders of the command and at the same time completely confident in their impunity.

These are the main directions for creating this system.

Terry hazing is widespread in the internal troops of the Republic of Belarus, especially in military unit 3214. The shameful phenomenon, which seemed to be done away with in the army of sovereign Belarus, has acquired a special scope here. Features of bullying: suppression of the individual, instilling other moral principles, the establishment of a cult of strength. Boys are broken "over the knee", and those who do not break are deprived of their health and are written off for health reasons "not a citizen" (sometimes disabled). If we conduct an analysis in the country's military commissariats on those dismissed for health reasons only from military unit 3214, then the statistics may shock.

A special direction in the work of officers with soldiers is rooting in their minds the division of everyone into two camps: "we" and "they".

“We” are the servicemen of the internal troops, this is the president's elite, these are the elected, “we” are for each other.

“They” are civilians, they are all criminals and there is no need to stand on ceremony with them, they need to be constantly “kept in check”, etc. The "they" category includes the relatives and friends of the soldiers. A soldier should not hesitate and, when ordered, use force against his father or mother.

In addition, it is suggested that the internal troops are the president's elite, and they must carry out ANY order of the supreme commander. If in the army, with encouragement, a soldier answers: "I serve the Republic of Belarus", then in the internal troops: "I serve the president and the people." In the first place is the president.

And these outrages in the internal troops and in relation to "they" had to be covered legally.

First, they quietly destroyed the public organization "Union of Soldiers' Mothers", which provided at least some kind of public control over the observance of the rule of law in the army.

Then ... Follow the chronology of events:

In 2012, Yu. A. Karaev was appointed commander of the internal troops from the post of commander of military unit 3214.

In 2014, by decree of the President of the Republic of Belarus No. 137 of 26.03.2014, the Military Prosecutor's Office was liquidated (the military prosecutors of the Republic of Belarus were supervised by the internal troops). The territorial prosecutor will not meddle in the affairs of the military - it's worse for himself. That's all: there is no one else to control the observance of the rule of law in the internal troops, hands are free.

And then from this position, having completed the transformations, in 2019, Y. A. Karaev becomes the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus.

By the way, the first speech of the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Bashkortostan Yu. A. Karaev after the events of August 9-12, 2020 was, at best, the speech of the commander of the internal troops, where he just confirmed the division into "we" and "they".

Bottom line: first, violence occurs (with our general indifference) against our sons, who are called to serve in the internal troops, and then these young men bring violence to us, and sometimes behave like occupiers in a captured country.

It is necessary to return public and legal control over the internal troops of the Republic of Belarus.

Afterword. It is not a fact that all the injured servicemen of the internal troops suffered from the demonstrators. Perhaps, with someone they settled scores and "their", fortunately, the situation allowed.
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  1. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 18 August 2020 09: 07
    35
    Oh, what was that?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2020 09: 12
      57
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Oh, what was that?

      Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages - "dehumanization"law enforcement ...

      While it is said "А"but there will be"Б" yes
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 18 August 2020 09: 18
        16
        Quote: Insurgent
        Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages is the "dehumanization" of law enforcement agencies ...

        This is, perhaps, an attempt to translate the arrows. Now it turns out that "some excesses that took place in the field" are "the own initiative of some irresponsible officials" ...
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 18 August 2020 09: 31
          24
          I agree, very similar.
          As for the soldiers, if I were in their place THOUGHT that UNA-UNSO stands against me, I would not act softer.
          If I THOUGHT that these are agents of Moscow, I would go over to their side.
          And what they THINK, it is necessary to ask them. They can give very interesting answers.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 18 August 2020 09: 53
            -3
            Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

            This is who deserves to be the president of Belarus! He will not give up his country, to insult the western singers!
            1. JD1979
              JD1979 18 August 2020 11: 05
              -8
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

              This is who deserves to be the president of Belarus! He will not give up his country, to insult the western singers!

              Take it to your place, just buy Vaseline and bruise remedies. And forget about complaints about the police, there will be no military prosecutor's office.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 18 August 2020 11: 20
                +9
                Quote: JD1979
                Take it to your place, just buy Vaseline and bruise remedies. And forget about complaints about the police, there will be no military prosecutor's office.

                Have you already used Vaseline? I sympathize!
                1. Temples
                  Temples 18 August 2020 12: 06
                  11
                  People in the Republic of Belarus were horrified by the atrocities committed by law enforcement agencies during the dispersal of peaceful demonstrations in Minsk


                  Distributors of such a mess are doused with shit. Whatever stench they spread on the Internet was always with them.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 18 August 2020 12: 14
                    17
                    It is necessary to return public and legal control over the internal troops of the Republic of Belarus.


                    It is necessary to reassign the internal troops to me. laughing
                    The author apparently wants it?
                    And then send them to fight the "regime"

                    One gets the impression that most of the Russian-language media work for the State Department.

                    After all, this note is not easy here.
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 18 August 2020 12: 25
                      14
                      I just looked at the author of this tearful song.

                      Here are his early comments on the site.

                      Stalin was able to create a team, to nominate professionals to key positions, incl. in economics. He managed to put forward national ideas that united the country. Managed to find allies. The economy he created not only won the world war, but also in the shortest possible time restored the destroyed post-war economy and brought the USSR to the world leader. This is why the "West" and our "opposition" hate him fiercely and denigrate him in every possible way. And you just need to judge a person by his deeds.

                      An interesting metamorphosis occurred with Seryozha.
                      He admired Stalin, was proud of our country. And now he is being bullied on the street, where he has become the opposition.
                      Is the flag white and red over your head?

                      I want to answer Seryozha with his own appeal, which he posted on the site earlier

                      And let's just fight back homosexuals or just "non-humans" together. After all, the worst thing is the influence on young people, attempts to make this vice attractive.

                      Apparently he could not resist and the vice became attractive.
                      1. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 18 August 2020 12: 33
                        -6
                        And they all change on the fly. Previously, Old Man was praised in the comments - his "skillful management and state administration", now they are watered with feces. Communists, sir!
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 August 2020 15: 19
                        13
                        You have been on the site for a long time, and you know almost all the communists here. Kindly, who of the communists "Pereobulsya on the fly"? wink
                      3. Andrey Stavropolsky
                        Andrey Stavropolsky 20 August 2020 06: 56
                        0
                        In 90, almost everyone changed their shoes.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 20 August 2020 07: 02
                        +1
                        Conversation in the last days.
                    2. Sergey Medvedev
                      Sergey Medvedev 20 August 2020 12: 18
                      -1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Kindly, who of the communists "Pereobulsya on the fly"?

                      Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Farion, Grudinin ...
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 20 August 2020 13: 33
                      +4
                      And what was Grudinin dragged to? And why did they forget Putin, after all, he also did not leave the CPSU? wink
                      In general, before answering, you need to delve into the essence of the comment - the question was about the communists forum users, here on VO. hi
                    4. Sergey Medvedev
                      Sergey Medvedev 20 August 2020 13: 46
                      -2
                      Grudinin was an ediras, a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma. When it became necessary he went over to the Communist Party.
                      Putin is also possible, he himself has repeatedly called himself a liberal.
                      About the members of the forum you have now clarified, as they wrote about the communists.
                    5. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 20 August 2020 14: 14
                      +3
                      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
                      you have specified it now

                      Reread my comment and the comment of the opponent to whom I replied. It's about the forum here. hi
                      And Grudinin should be respected for his deeds, because none of the oligarchs of Putin's entourage did for ordinary people a tenth of what Grudinin did, even if only on his state farm. hi
                    6. Sergey Medvedev
                      Sergey Medvedev 20 August 2020 14: 45
                      -3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Reread my comment and the comment of the opponent to whom I replied. It's about the forum here.

                      I reread it. Okolotochny expressed his displeasure with the author of the article and called him a communist. Although, in my opinion, the word "journalist" is a dirty word in itself. Just like "artist", "deputy" and similar public professions.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      You have been on the site for a long time, and you know almost all the communists here. Kindly, who of the communists "Pereobulsya on the fly"?

                      It was about a specific journalist, and you attached the communists from the forum to this topic. What for?
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And Grudinin should be respected for his deeds,

                      If you respect him, this is your right. And I have my own opinion, I do not respect Grudinin. He definitely changed his shoes from edirass to communists, and earlier, if my memory serves me, from communists to ediras. If required, he will join the NSDAP. In addition, he owns 40% of the shares of the state farm in which he previously worked as a zavgar. He robbed his fellow villagers. And I don't respect him for that.
                      And I do not respect the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which nominated such a chameleon and a chubaisyon of a state farm scale as a presidential candidate. Why the communists from our forum respect him, I do not understand. hi
        2. Motorist
          Motorist 18 August 2020 23: 37
          0
          Quote: Temples
          An interesting metamorphosis occurred with Seryozha.

          So, maybe we just didn't understand the Author? Maybe he wanted to show that you can write "blizzard", and people will first discuss and condemn it, and then - "carry"?
    2. EgorMinsk
      EgorMinsk 18 August 2020 21: 22
      -8
      This is a terrible reality. There is a mass of evidence of bullying and torture in the ROVD and the IVS. Photo and video evidence. And then there are doctors who nursed the victims and they will be witnesses at the trial.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 19 August 2020 11: 07
        -1
        Quote: EgorMinsk
        This is a terrible reality. There is a mass of evidence of bullying and torture in the ROVD and the IVS. Photo and video evidence. And then there are doctors who nursed the victims and they will be witnesses at the trial.

        that's the way it should be, work at work, and not go to illegal gatherings.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 20 August 2020 07: 08
          -1
          Quote: Bar1
          Quote: EgorMinsk
          This is a terrible reality. There is a mass of evidence of bullying and torture in the ROVD and the IVS. Photo and video evidence. And then there are doctors who nursed the victims and they will be witnesses at the trial.

          that's the way it should be, work at work, and not go to illegal gatherings.

          Amateur, 37 years old? The right to express one's opinion is written down in the constitution. I know, I know "they are bad, I am good." The more you spread rot people, the more they will "love" you
        2. Bar1
          Bar1 20 August 2020 10: 02
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Quote: Bar1
          Quote: EgorMinsk
          This is a terrible reality. There is a mass of evidence of bullying and torture in the ROVD and the IVS. Photo and video evidence. And then there are doctors who nursed the victims and they will be witnesses at the trial.

          that's the way it should be, work at work, and not go to illegal gatherings.

          Amateur, 37 years old? The right to express one's opinion is written down in the constitution. I know, I know "they are bad, I am good." The more you spread rot people, the more they will "love" you

          lover of order ...
      2. baltiksi
        baltiksi 22 August 2020 18: 39
        -1
        Bar-you were slaves, and they will remain, lick Putin's ass.
      3. Bar1
        Bar1 23 August 2020 00: 20
        +1
        suck off Putin ...
  • baltiksi
    baltiksi 22 August 2020 18: 37
    -1
    And you Khramov - come to Minsk, talk to people. Not all, as you Russians think, drug addicts and convicts came out to protests. Support Luka, even the majority who see themselves with Russia, after such comments, will think. Glory to the Belarusian Omon, as another provocateur here on VO wrote. Stydoba ...
  • ramzzay
    ramzzay 22 August 2020 19: 20
    0
    I doubt that these types of sympathy are familiar ...
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 20 August 2020 07: 03
    +1
    Quote: JD1979
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

    This is who deserves to be the president of Belarus! He will not give up his country, to insult the western singers!

    Take it to your place, just buy Vaseline and bruise remedies. And forget about complaints about the police, there will be no military prosecutor's office.

    Yes, we have our own, head of the Russian Guard
  • EgorMinsk
    EgorMinsk 18 August 2020 21: 16
    12 th
    He will be tried for crimes against humanity. He will answer for the unleashed terror!
    1. Rosko
      Rosko 18 August 2020 22: 31
      -1
      like all stupid suckers who went out on their bad head. Was it fun? Think these are toys?
      1. EgorMinsk
        EgorMinsk 18 August 2020 22: 45
        -4
        Was that fun? Kidnapping, beatings and torture? The riot police and the police have broken the law! What is the government hoping for now?
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 22: 59
          +4
          Quote: EgorMinsk
          What is the government hoping for now?

          The fact that you, dear friends, wipe yourself as you wiped yourself so many times before. And you are in vain lying to yourself that Ryhoravich has no reason to think so.

          You lost the day before yesterday. Fight until war. But the prospects are so-so.
          1. EgorMinsk
            EgorMinsk 18 August 2020 23: 01
            -7
            Blessed are those who believe)) a. What have we lost?
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 23: 06
              +4
              Quote: EgorMinsk
              Blessed are those who believe)

              I wouldn't say that. What you are doing is very beautiful. And it will be incredibly disappointing if you wake up.
              Quote: EgorMinsk
              What have we lost?

              200 thousand people.

              Why were you going? To be counted?

              What did Lukashenka see the day before yesterday? What will you clean up the trash on the lawns? You didn’t notice that they caught you and screwed you up that evening, no?
            2. EgorMinsk
              EgorMinsk 18 August 2020 23: 10
              -5
              Strange logic.
              We are really the majority! Lukashenka and his pack were depressed. His rally was a pitiful gathering to which people from different regions were taken. And the catchers will soon get everything.
            3. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 23: 21
              +9
              Quote: EgorMinsk
              Strange logic.

              The only true one.
              Peaceful protest doesn't even work against a single Heavy, I guarantee it. I hope you will not lie that Ryhoravich does not have one machine gunner for the dear Belarusians.
              Quote: EgorMinsk
              We are really the majority

              Who cares? You are in the majority for at least 10 years, so what? Is it some kind of pride that the majority in the colony are prisoners?

              Listen. This

              a rally in Venezuela two years ago. There are 10 times more people there than you had. There is a legitimate, internationally recognized president who has the opportunity to be openly in the capital, and is not kicked in the ass, with her husband held hostage.

              So what? They drove their cockroach out there, don't you know?
              Quote: EgorMinsk
              And the catchers will soon get everything.

              That's when they start to receive, then we'll talk. So far they have received state awards.
            4. gsev
              gsev 19 August 2020 15: 42
              -1
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Peaceful protest doesn't even work against a single Heavy, I guarantee it.

              Until Ensign Krylenko starts distributing machine guns and grenade launchers to the demonstrators.
            5. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 19 August 2020 16: 37
              0
              As far as I remember, Citizen Kerensky distinguished himself there in the first place.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 20 August 2020 07: 13
    +2
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Quote: EgorMinsk
    What is the government hoping for now?

    The fact that you, dear friends, wipe yourself as you wiped yourself so many times before. And you are in vain lying to yourself that Ryhoravich has no reason to think so.

    You lost the day before yesterday. Fight until war. But the prospects are so-so.

    I think that Luca lost, and somehow I'm not sorry at all. And those who beat people will be dealt with
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 20 August 2020 08: 33
      -5
      Right now it is already clear that the Belarusians loved everything when they pissed on Sunday. That's it, the question is closed, Luca is the president.
  • gsev
    gsev 19 August 2020 15: 40
    -2
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    He will not give up his country, to insult the western singers!

    Or will become a Belarusian Avakov.
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 18 August 2020 09: 21
    50
    Quote: Insurgent
    One of the stages is the "dehumanization" of law enforcement agencies ...

    Sun Tzu "The Art of War":
    Let them whisper in the streets of the enemy capital that the prince is robbing the people, his advisers have betrayed him, officials have drunk themselves to death, and the soldiers are hungry and barefoot. Let the inhabitants mutilate the name of their prince and pronounce it incorrectly ... Let them, with a well-fed life, think that they are starving. Let the wealthy envy those who graze livestock in Wei. Kindle an internal fire not with fire, but with a word, and the stupid will begin to complain and curse their homeland. And then we will pass through the open gate ... (China, 5th century BC)
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2020 09: 23
      15
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      Sun Tzu "The Art of War":
      Let them whisper in the streets of the enemy capital that the prince is robbing the people, his advisers have betrayed him, officials have drunk themselves to death, and the soldiers are hungry and barefoot. Let the inhabitants mutilate the name of their prince and pronounce it incorrectly ... Let them, with a well-fed life, think that they are starving. Let the wealthy envy those who graze livestock in Wei. Kindle an internal fire not with fire, but with a word, and the stupid will begin to complain and curse their homeland. And then we will pass through the open gate ... (China, 5th century BC)


      A wonderful quote as an example.

      More than ever I agree with you and wise Sun Tzu yes
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 18 August 2020 09: 46
        14
        Sun Tzu is the true author of Western methodological books.
        Our contemporaries have contributed nothing new.
  • stalki
    stalki 18 August 2020 09: 33
    +6
    Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages is the "dehumanization" of law enforcement agencies ...

    While "A" is said, but "B" will follow
    How on time? Not later, not earlier. Here I look at VO in a democratic way.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 18 August 2020 09: 52
      +6
      However, they don't shut their mouths, and that's good. Try to speak at the Ukrainian forum. The more politeness and the stronger the arguments, the more likely you will be banned. But if you start to offend Russians and Ukrainians, say nasty things about both, you will live for a while.
      1. stalki
        stalki 18 August 2020 12: 08
        +6
        I wouldn't say no about the mouth wink , but about the Ukrainian forums it is 200% true.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 August 2020 10: 55
    +9
    Quote: Insurgent
    Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages is the "dehumanization" of law enforcement agencies.

    It is necessary to return public and legal control over the internal troops of the Republic of Belarus... In Ukraine, public control has brought the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the internal troops to the point that the country has received general chaos, which has not yet been cleared up (and do they even want to clean it up).
  • JD1979
    JD1979 18 August 2020 11: 08
    10 th
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages - "dehumanization"law enforcement ...

    While it is said "А"but there will be"Б" yes

    How convenient it is now to cut down one's stupidity, incompetence and tyranny, which have led to legitimate indignation in society on the technology of the "color revolution". Isn't it funny yourself? Are you not afraid that one day you will also be colored?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2020 11: 10
      18
      Quote: JD1979
      How convenient it is now to cut down one's stupidity, incompetence and tyranny, which have led to legitimate indignation in society on the technology of the "color revolution". Isn't it funny yourself? Are you not afraid that one day you will also be colored?

      fool fool fool (thrice)

      You WHO write this folly ?? belay I'm from DNR ...
      1. starev
        starev 19 August 2020 06: 46
        -1
        Well, firstly, on the impersonal forum "I'm from the DPR" you can write from Australia :)) Or from the Moscow region ...
        Klava will endure everything.
        And, secondly, that people in the DPR do not want justice? Are there any genetic abnormalities?
        It is clear to everyone that Lukashenka lost the elections.
        Just look at the number of people who came to the rallies for and against Lukashenka in Minsk 11.08
        And when they beat them with truncheons for the truth, why be surprised that they write "fascist" on your fence?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 19 August 2020 09: 03
          +3
          Quote: starev
          It is clear to everyone that Lukashenka lost the elections.
          Just look at the number of people who came to the rallies for and against Lukashenka in Minsk 11.08

          nothing is absolutely clear: 11 years ago, tens of thousands of furious young people in many cities of Moldova came out against wild "falsification"elections" by the "dictator" President Voronin.

          slogans: "NO to faulty elections!", Freedom "," CHANGE is us! "." Down with! "

          NOBODY married the "dictator".

          Why?! People already they said his word is in the elections.

          After the "dictator" was demolished, the new "democratic" government did not find ANY of the promised "falsifications", did not present, the votes were COUNTED and the victory of the "dictator"confirmed by .

          And this despite the fact that the new "people's" government fervently copala "violations, looked for, investigated and .... zilch!

          and yes-shouted about hundreds of "tortured", beaten in the dungeons of the redhead.

          ... Installed everything, on a cold head, everything some strained cases.

          It's a pity.... .

        2. Ka-52
          Ka-52 20 August 2020 09: 18
          +3
          It is clear to everyone that Lukashenka lost the elections. Just look at the number of people who came to the rallies for and against Lukashenka in Minsk 11.08

          Well, then Belarus will become the first country in the world where victory in elections will be determined by looking at footage taken by a street camera laughing fool wassat
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 August 2020 07: 15
      0
      Quote: JD1979
      Quote: Insurgent
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Oh, what was that?

      Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages - "dehumanization"law enforcement ...

      While it is said "А"but there will be"Б" yes

      How convenient it is now to cut down one's stupidity, incompetence and tyranny, which have led to legitimate indignation in society on the technology of the "color revolution". Isn't it funny yourself? Are you not afraid that one day you will also be colored?

      1905 is not taught at school
  • starev
    starev 19 August 2020 06: 40
    -6
    Who is there to "dehumanize" ????

    Themselves have already done everything for a long time, from the inside, without outside help
  • Civil
    Civil 18 August 2020 09: 15
    +9
    Cool ... they all dumped on one military unit ...
  • Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 18 August 2020 09: 22
    21
    "Zvyryachche beatya" oni children. Then they will burn the Berkut, burn Odessa, kill and imprison hundreds of thousands of people, and deprive millions of their homes.
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 18 August 2020 11: 03
      13 th
      Quote: Nikolay S.
      "Zvyryachche beatya" oni children. Then they will burn the Berkut, burn Odessa, kill and imprison hundreds of thousands of people, and deprive millions of their homes.

      Where was anyone burned in Belarus, at least one broken showcase in the studio. Balabol on the letter ...
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 18 August 2020 14: 29
        +7
        Then, then they will burn and dispossess. First, they will be handed this opportunity to applause. And in Ukraine, all of May 14, it was only heard that "nothing is burning anywhere and is not shooting."
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 18 August 2020 15: 27
        13
        Quote: JD1979
        at least one broken showcase in the studio

        At least one riot policeman hit by a car?
        wink And needless to say, this is people's response to the beatings - I saw the first day of the protests. On the square there were only young animals, and all of an athletic build. They behaved quite aggressively, and they started throwing noise grenades at them. But only! Nobody beat anyone yet. And on the same day they began to ram the cops with cars.
        So who first started?
        1. Kisa
          Kisa 18 August 2020 16: 43
          -1
          well it depends a lot where you look at the propaganda - I don’t miss Skabeev’s there really an emphasis on the fact that the thugs paid for and the bomb in his hands exploded and the cruelty deservedly ... with sticks. pissed on top of them. suffocated in the paddy wagon. on the balls of the lying person that he pushed him badly bruised all blue from the pre-trial detention center .... and the fact that this porridge is all brewed - it is Karaev's merit. Three days of terror brought half a million people to the streets. and then Yarmoshin with his CEC and calculations.
          The nature of such cruelty is not clear to me myself - no matter what kind of money they pay, a person has a conscience of a princess, and because of the money he will not become a sadist. I had hazing and you never dreamed of - leaving the guard, shooting the barracks of the jaw of the spleen. they swallowed carbide to write it off due to illness ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 18 August 2020 19: 16
            0
            Quote: kitty
            well it depends a lot where you see propaganda

            I watch rain, Skabeeva, Belarusian 1 and CTB. All stars in one way or another.
            I liked Semin. hi
          2. brat07
            brat07 19 August 2020 03: 42
            -1
            I had hazing and you never dreamed of - leaving the guard, shooting the barracks of the jaw of the spleen. carbide was swallowed to be written off due to illness

            you never dreamed

            How dreaming!
            There was a complete mess. Most of the atrocities were scoops.
            DMB 81-83gg. Kazakhstan, Priozersk-4, Dzhezkazgan region
            Polygon Sary-Shagan.
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  • Baloo
    Baloo 18 August 2020 09: 40
    21
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    September 2020? belay So it was intended, do I understand correctly? sad Again, a Crimean woman, the daughter of an officer, who is not all unambiguous? Boring. The more pressure is put on the lukasheska, the more I like it. If Gorbachev had been smeared and traitorous, he would have given up long ago, Dimon would have whined. Belarusians, and who is your actual competitor to Lukashesk, so that he has an economic education, successful experience in managerial work in production and thought without looking to the West about his country?
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 18 August 2020 09: 56
      13
      Quote: Balu
      Belarusians, and who is your competitor to Lukashesku,

      The question, as I understand it, is rhetorical.
      This is the problem of all dictatorships, even soft ones. They never prepare their successors, not from the family, "cleanse" the environment from bright personalities, etc. The nationwide love of the leader, father and teacher must end someday, alas ...
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 19 August 2020 03: 17
        +1
        Once again, you realize that Nazarbayev's sense of time has not changed.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 19 August 2020 11: 32
          +1
          But he really still runs Kazakhstan without holding the presidency. And the Security Council of Kazakhstan really heads.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 19 August 2020 12: 10
            +1
            This just shows the ability to slightly go into the shadows, and play a card with a successor.

            Although you can always find a pretext for confusion.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: Balu
      The more pressure is put on the lukasheska, the more I like it. If Gorbachev were smeared and traitorous, he would have given up long ago, Dimon would have whined.

      I support, I started to like it too.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 18 August 2020 15: 32
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        I support, I started to like it too

        And I always liked him, except for the rare quirks. But if globally, which of us is without them? I AM? No, and I have them. And who of those present will begin to assert that he does not have them, then let him remember that all the saints ended either on the cross or at the stake. bully
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 18 August 2020 23: 03
          -6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And I always liked him, except for the rare quirks.

          Yes, not quite rare.
          The first time he came to the attention of psychiatrists after graduating from the pedagogical institute, when, having appeared at an appointment with the first secretary of the regional party committee, L. persistently asked to appoint him chairman of the collective farm, citing his rural origin and knowledge of the peculiarities of farming. L. promised to make the collective farm entrusted to him progressive. According to one of the leaders of the Mogilev regional psychiatric hospital, at the same time L. was sent for examination. He was diagnosed with mosaic psychopathy.
          This episode was interpreted as a manifestation of overvalued ideas and an outpatient card was introduced, which subsequently included information that L. was discharged from the army under Article 7b with the same diagnosis in 1982 from the post of political officer of military unit 04104.
          Subsequently, all documents were seized, after which the psychiatric hospital was closed, the building of historical value was demolished, some of the doctors were retired, and others were sent all over Belarus.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 20 August 2020 07: 41
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Balu
        The more pressure is put on the lukasheska, the more I like it. If Gorbachev were smeared and traitorous, he would have given up long ago, Dimon would have whined.

        I support, I started to like it too.

        Love him while he is alive, love him as he is
  • New Year day
    New Year day 18 August 2020 09: 45
    -6
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    A sober view of the obvious. Karaev needs to run, like the OMON. By the way, the issue has already been discussed with the leadership of the Russian Federation. That's just the trouble, normal people don't run to us
    1. akunin
      akunin 18 August 2020 10: 04
      +7
      Quote: Silvestr
      That's just the trouble, normal people don't run to us

      not to us, to Zolotov - request Yes
    2. saigon
      saigon 18 August 2020 13: 34
      +6
      That is, we see the beginning of the process of searching for scapegoats, and the last names and military units have already been announced and assigned.
      Someone here started to like the dad here, but it seems to me that he will turn over both the general and his warriors to reprisal, in an attempt to again squirm his tailbone for two chairs.
      Quote: Balu
      The more pressure is put on the gourmet, the more I like it. Dirty and traitor Gorbachev would have given up long ago, Dimon whined.
      Well, what do you think Lukashenka is doing? He does not whine, he maneuvers along the way trying to shift the blame onto others.
    3. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 20: 28
      +7
      Quote: Silvestr
      Karaev needs to run, like the riot police

      What for? As of now, they are winning.
      Quote: Silvestr
      normal people do not run to us

      What does "normal" mean? The best people in the country. Kusyuk is already working in his specialty, as far as is known.
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  • svp67
    svp67 18 August 2020 11: 16
    10
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    I think everyone understands that ... "information war shot" of Lukashenka's obvious opponents. Take this at least
    If we conduct an analysis in the country's military commissariats on those dismissed for health reasons only from military unit 3214, then the statistics may shock.
    How controversial is the statement, needless to say ... Does the author have any numbers on hand? Where does he get this thesis. A soldier may be dismissed for health reasons not because of the banal "bullying", but also because a modern young man simply could not stand the physical and mental stress of combat and special training.
    But the "pebble" is already "thrown" ...
    But my question is different, where is the Communist Party of Belarus now? They do not understand that in the event of the arrival of Tikhonovskaya, they will most likely face the fate of the Communist Party of Ukraine? Lukashenka has built so many sports institutions, giving young people the opportunity to develop in various sports societies, are they against him? Well, athletes have a strong sense of respect for their fellows who have achieved significant results. Why don't they use these resources? What are outstanding Belarusian athletes against Lukashenka now?
    1. saigon
      saigon 18 August 2020 13: 55
      0
      This is just the process of whitening Lukashenka, everything and no other reason.
      This is why what we see appeared.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 August 2020 11: 36
      +1
      They have two communist parties, one pro-Lukashenka, the other against him. But even the one who is for Lukashenko, the authorities keep on a short leash and do not allow her to strengthen too much.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 August 2020 07: 45
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Oh, what was that?

      I think everyone understands that ... "information war shot" of Lukashenka's obvious opponents. Take this at least
      If we conduct an analysis in the country's military commissariats on those dismissed for health reasons only from military unit 3214, then the statistics may shock.
      How controversial is the statement, needless to say ... Does the author have any numbers on hand? Where does he get this thesis. A soldier may be dismissed for health reasons not because of the banal "bullying", but also because a modern young man simply could not stand the physical and mental stress of combat and special training.
      But the "pebble" is already "thrown" ...
      But my question is different, where is the Communist Party of Belarus now? They do not understand that in the event of the arrival of Tikhonovskaya, they will most likely face the fate of the Communist Party of Ukraine? Lukashenka has built so many sports institutions, giving young people the opportunity to develop in various sports societies, are they against him? Well, athletes have a strong sense of respect for their fellows who have achieved significant results. Why don't they use these resources? What are outstanding Belarusian athletes against Lukashenka now?

      The Communist Party was banned there long ago, and outstanding athletes live in the West
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 20: 34
    +3
    Yes, I did not expect to see it on this site.

    Essentially, it's lousy. I thought that it was enough to resolve the issue with the OMON, Alfa and Almaz, and it turns out that there are problems with the VV.

    If, of course, everything is so, because it looks very lyrical.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 19 August 2020 11: 04
    -1
    ay yay yay. Poor Belarusians, so want to go to Europe, do not want to work at MZKT and Belaz, but really want to wash toilets in Germany and Italy, and pick strawberries in the land of the landowners in Poland, and Lukashenka hits them in the head for this.
    Only can these people be called intelligent people? After all, there are examples of the collapse of the USSR, when the crowd wanted to live like Europe and what is the result? The country was occupied by the Jews 10 thousand. enterprises of the USSR ceased to exist, Putin spawned billionaire oligarchs who plundered the country. Is this not an example for reasonable people?

    In 14g in Ukraine, the people rose up against the thieving Yanukovych, and what happened? Bandera came as a fascist and an enemy of the Slavic people. The presidents and the leadership are all Jews instead of Slavs. The country is collapsed, the factories are closed, the people are leaving Ukraine anywhere.
    Is this what "reasonable people" want in Belarus?
    No, you cannot give this country to Europe for European values.
    Well, what would the brains fall into place at the unreasonable have to beat on the heads.
  • gsev
    gsev 19 August 2020 16: 23
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    You were told what humanists and gentlemen are leading the Belarusian security forces under Lukashenka. During all the days of the protests, less than 10 people died, and under Yeltsin in 1993, hundreds of protesters were shot not only from machine guns, but also from tanks. Moreover, the bodies of the killed were immediately hidden so that all journalists and relatives of those killed are afraid to look for them in 30 years. Under Stalin, for example, 30 years after the murder of N. Vavilov, Mark Popovsky was able to conduct an investigation and even interrogate the employees who starved Vavilov to death. According to his book "The Case of Academician Vavilov," he then greatly frightened the old NKVD women.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 18 August 2020 09: 10
    22
    Terry hazing is widespread in the internal troops of the Republic of Belarus, especially in military unit 3214. The shameful phenomenon, which seemed to be done away with in the army of sovereign Belarus, has acquired a special scope here. Features of bullying: suppression of the individual, instilling other moral principles, the establishment of a cult of strength. Boys are broken "over the knee", and those who do not break are deprived of their health and are written off for health reasons "not a citizen" (sometimes disabled). If we conduct an analysis in the country's military commissariats on those dismissed for health reasons only from military unit 3214, then the statistics may shock.

    I may not be right, but the first thought after reading: "Well, it started ..." Something has not been a single article about this before, and, as far as I remember, even in the comment, no one ever mentioned this, but articles there were a lot of things about Belarus at the VO ... "Officer's daughter" at work?
    1. mole
      mole 18 August 2020 10: 03
      11
      But something the officer's daughter did not compose libel during the riots in the west! And there, oh, tolerant protesters are periodically driven into the stall. But here I see, even that which is not, but there I do not see ...
      Textbook article.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 August 2020 11: 07
        11
        Quote: Mole
        But something the officer's daughter did not compose libel during the riots in the west!

        The "officer's daughter" also wants to eat. If she eats from the "Soros feeder", then she will be silent about Western riots, like a fish in water.
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 18 August 2020 21: 01
      +4
      Quote: Lesovik
      I may not be right, but the first thought after reading: "Well, rushed ..."

      Even if a person who has read this "article" has no idea about military service, but has a head, life experience and soul, he will not believe this article. Even on a subconscious level, with no military service experience. Such "scribblers" cannot understand this. They cannot feel the line beyond which they should not cross when writing, this is not given to them and it brings them down.
      That's why all that kind of rot doesn't work. A person reading such an article just begins to smell from the first words. The smell of rot and decay, feces, coming from the "article" and its author.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 August 2020 09: 10
    10
    All to fight the redhead. Let's destroy Belarus for the glory of the West.
    However, the author sees it that way. Obviously also sees VO.
  • Slavs
    Slavs 18 August 2020 09: 12
    17
    We've heard a lot about soldiers' mothers ... Thank you.
    behave so cruelly towards their own citizens, whose whole fault sometimes lies in the fact that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

    Or maybe for bricks in the head of employees during execution? Peaceful protesters ....
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 August 2020 09: 14
    +8
    It has come to VO. Already common people from below have knocked.
  • sgapich
    sgapich 18 August 2020 09: 16
    12
    the first speech of the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Bashkortostan Yu. A. Karaev after the events 9-12 September 2020 years

    Well, we also looked into the future.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 18 August 2020 09: 47
      +2
      But let's wait. Suddenly and really looked in?
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 18 August 2020 09: 17
    13
    I will answer this article with such a comment. I have a friend, we are engaged in search and local history activities together, he is older than me and served in his time in the SA. In the construction battalion. So he described well one case when, already being demobilized, he and his comrades somehow began to argue, and if such a situation developed that they were ordered to shoot at a civilian crowd? And then unanimously they came to the conclusion that yes, it would be difficult morally, but if they poured 100 grams, they would shoot. It's simple, by the end of the second year of service they were already one whole, a soldier's collective, and their psychology really was simple and complex at the same time - here "we", and there "they".
    And I think this is correct for any military collective, otherwise there is no other way. The army stands on this. But then the role of commanders and those who give orders looms.
    1. akunin
      akunin 18 August 2020 10: 31
      +3
      Quote: Blue Fox
      In the construction battalion. So he described well one case when, already being demobilized, he and his comrades somehow began to argue, but if there was such a situation that they received an order to shoot at a civilian crowd?

      you can reassure your friend. we had a weapons room in the company (for 700 people of the regiment's personnel) - 150 sapper blades, 50 bayonets - knives, 50 AK-74 with a sawn barrel and without a striker. We could not shoot in peaceful people (because we went to the shooting 2 times in 2 years, 3 rounds each and never disassembled the machine gun), probably only to chop with shovels. I would not have any questions in sa (there are enemies around), but we (in the construction battalion) had a specific national composition ( Slavs about 30%, most of the Central Asian republics, 10% of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia) .The Slavs would not cut women and children (no offense, I will not vouch for others, it depends on the place of the riots), and the men would be put to bed all (sa, stroybat 83 -85)
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 18 August 2020 12: 46
        +3
        "Yes, in our construction battalion, half are lumps, half are urks!" I don't remember who, it seems Dovlatov
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: Blue Fox
      what if there was such a situation that they were ordered to shoot at the civilian crowd?

      This was the situation when, during the war, the detachments had to shoot at "their own", those who deserted, or leaving the front fled. And they shot. Or did these "friends" not have to shoot at them?
      1. prior
        prior 18 August 2020 11: 58
        0
        My relative, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, orders, medals, was drafted into the Baltic Fleet, from there he was transferred to land to defend Leningrad, to the zagradbat.
        During perestroika, after the bathhouse, we started talking ...
        And the veteran told how he detained a deserter - Hero of the Soviet Union in the ruins of the Kirov plant. And when asked about the Nazis, he replied that he hadn't really seen them, but that he had enough of the Russians who fled from the battlefield. Then for me the war opened its vile sinister meaning.
        Maybe he shot in vain? Maybe it was necessary to surrender the besieged Leningrad?
        Here's the same. Everyone must do his duty.
        There is a place in life for humanism, but there is also cruelty ... unfortunately.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 August 2020 14: 18
          0
          Quote: prior
          There is a place in life for humanism, but there is also cruelty ... unfortunately.

          War is an unnatural phenomenon for a person, and it only gives rise to cruelty. War and humanism are incompatible.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 August 2020 08: 07
      0
      Quote: Blue Fox
      I will answer this article with such a comment. I have a friend, we are engaged in search and local history activities together, he is older than me and served in his time in the SA. In the construction battalion. So he described well one case when, already being demobilized, he and his comrades somehow began to argue, and if such a situation developed that they were ordered to shoot at a civilian crowd? And then unanimously they came to the conclusion that yes, it would be difficult morally, but if they poured 100 grams, they would shoot. It's simple, by the end of the second year of service they were already one whole, a soldier's collective, and their psychology really was simple and complex at the same time - here "we", and there "they".
      And I think this is correct for any military collective, otherwise there is no other way. The army stands on this. But then the role of commanders and those who give orders looms.

      Brains in the army unnecessarily? The Wehrmacht at the Nuremberg trials well otmazed, for us like the Fuhrer thought
  • japs
    japs 18 August 2020 09: 29
    16
    I did not understand this article. An author for humanism and other "democratic" values?
    It is not necessary to write nonsense. My son served an urgent service in this unit of military unit 3214.
    Yes, it was hard. But he will never support clowns who support throwing their uniforms in the trash.
    And what does it mean "in the wrong place ..."? Unauthorized protests against the authorities are a violation of the law, and it is the same for everyone. Therefore, all the guys did the right thing.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 11: 19
      -3
      Quote: japs
      Unauthorized protests against the government is a violation of the law, and it is the same for everyone. Therefore, all the guys did the right thing.

      If they did everything according to the law and according to the oath, they would not have received 1991.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 August 2020 08: 11
      0
      Quote: japs
      I did not understand this article. An author for humanism and other "democratic" values?
      It is not necessary to write nonsense. My son served an urgent service in this unit of military unit 3214.
      Yes, it was hard. But he will never support clowns who support throwing their uniforms in the trash.
      And what does it mean "in the wrong place ..."? Unauthorized protests against the authorities are a violation of the law, and it is the same for everyone. Therefore, all the guys did the right thing.

      And what, the performances can be sanctioned? So the government specially invented laws for this. In Moscow, even just standing people were taken away. You should not be here
  • AAK
    AAK 18 August 2020 09: 29
    +6
    Some kind of "sour" article, and even with the dates of the "sighted stay" not yet coming ...
    And as for "we" and "they" - there is a section in the charter about "deliberately criminal orders", there is an oath - promised to protect from internal and external enemies - take care, or do not take the oath ...
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 18 August 2020 09: 32
    -2
    Well, why is it here? With what fright did this strange article made by the methodology appear? and this is generally from the category of nonsense, not the fact that all the injured servicemen of the internal troops suffered from the demonstrators. Perhaps, with someone they settled scores and "their", fortunately, the situation allowed. and someone explain to me already what is public control over the internal troops? !!! like the KSM that stupidly interfered with any combat training?)
  • Andrew 0812
    Andrew 0812 18 August 2020 09: 44
    +1
    I didn't get it. Is September already in Belarus? Or did the article come out too early?
  • andranick
    andranick 18 August 2020 09: 45
    0
    The author denounces the bourgeoisie as an inspector of the CPSU. Past the author. Past!
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 18 August 2020 09: 47
    +2
    Something like ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 August 2020 09: 50
    +9
    The police (militia) is a body that protects the state structure. Internal troops perform the same function. When there is a purely peaceful demonstration, such brutality is not observed. There were enough provocateurs at all times. After 15 days of work, law enforcement officers will diminish. Students will disperse. And we need to quickly open educational institutions. The historian Spitsyn is right about the strikes of enterprises. “Perhaps the directors have been bought. And they want to become not directors, but owners.” Whether Lukashenka is bad or good, and our country will have to work with him.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 18 August 2020 09: 51
    +5
    I read this nonsense and realized that the author did not serve in the army, and if he did, then somewhere in the kitchen or at the headquarters with a scrubber! In any army there must be hazing! Not to be confused with criminality. Or does the author believe that a soldier who has served for two years should be on an equal footing with a young man who can’t do anything? Any army rests on the orders and authority of the commanders. If there is no justice and atrocities in the army, then sooner or later it ends in murder. There were few shootings in the Russian army? And all these protesters in Belarus should be sent to Russia with their demands. And if these requirements are translated into criminal concepts? What does go away mean? In the pre-election debates, the opposition did not make any economic claims to Lukashenka! She did not tell her plan for the development of Belarus. They just shouted: "Lukashenka go away!" According to criminal terms, they were immediately torn to pieces for such "presentation"! And Lukashenka is still talking to them. Holy man!!!!
    1. Asad
      Asad 18 August 2020 10: 19
      +2
      In the sense of “hazing?” Did you enjoy cleaning your boots and hemming cormorants' tunics, performing concerts at night?
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 August 2020 08: 16
      0
      Quote: steel maker
      I read this nonsense and realized that the author did not serve in the army, and if he did, then somewhere in the kitchen or at the headquarters with a scrubber! In any army there must be hazing! Not to be confused with criminality. Or does the author believe that a soldier who has served for two years should be on an equal footing with a young man who can’t do anything? Any army rests on the orders and authority of the commanders. If there is no justice and atrocities in the army, then sooner or later it ends in murder. There were few shootings in the Russian army? And all these protesters in Belarus should be sent to Russia with their demands. And if these requirements are translated into criminal concepts? What does go away mean? In the pre-election debates, the opposition did not make any economic claims to Lukashenka! She did not tell her plan for the development of Belarus. They just shouted: "Lukashenka go away!" According to criminal terms, they were immediately torn to pieces for such "presentation"! And Lukashenka is still talking to them. Holy man!!!!

      You are a contradiction to yourself. There must be hazing, and sooner or later it will end in murder. It would be cool if a person came to work and veterans would beat his kidneys
  • Hagen
    Hagen 18 August 2020 09: 54
    -8
    I think I will not be original, but I will repeat myself. Everything that is replicated on YouTube today, in terms of unrest and relations between the people and the police, must be urgently investigated by the General Prosecutor's Office, even if by a special decree of Lukashenka. This is the work of the VV, the work of the police, and the work of the Federal Penitentiary Service, where half-calves are released from pre-trial detention centers. Perhaps something was laid out from the "game shooting". But this must be opened so that people can see: 1. what it really was; 2. management's determination to seek fair punishment for all violators of the rule of law. This, of course, will not remove all tensions, but will weaken the wave of anger from those who are mistaken. The average person, nevertheless, is charged with everyday Christian values ​​- justice, security, respect for dignity, a sense of self-preservation. The fact that Lukashenko expresses resentment towards the population is nothing more than his fatal mistake. IMHO.
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 18 August 2020 10: 27
      +4
      They just have their own "white helmets".
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 18 August 2020 20: 41
        0
        Quote: _Sergey_
        They just have their own "white helmets".

        Most likely, not without them ...
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 20: 39
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      management's determination to seek fair punishment for all violators of the rule of law

      ))
      And it was not them who were awarded today?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 18 August 2020 20: 49
        -7
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        ))
        And it was not them who were awarded today?

        In such complex measures as curbing riots, there is always room for heroism. I am sure that there are definitely people in the Belarusian police who are worthy of awards for fulfilling their duty. But Lukashenka, in my opinion, chose not the best time for this. He generally took a different position. He would have to be above this fight. A kind of all-encompassing referee. And he defiantly took a position on one side of the barricades with the security forces and at the same time against the demonstrators. And these are the people, the voters ... I do not think that this gesture will somehow help him to calm the situation. Lukashenka, unfortunately, is not a chess player, he falls more into the bull position.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 22: 25
          +5
          Quote: Hagen
          He should have been over this fight

          Have you fallen from the moon?

          In recent days, various comrades have made several unfortunate statements. Say, there were somewhere violations of socialist legality.

          Today Luka showed the OMON: I am yours, you are mine. I won't hand you over to anyone. It would be nice for dear Belarusians to hear this.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 18 August 2020 22: 55
            -5
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            It would be nice for dear Belarusians to hear this.

            Especially to those who fell under the distribution without committing any violations!
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 23: 01
              +3
              Quote: Hagen
              Especially to those who fell under the distribution without committing any violations!

              They are the ones who need to hear it.
              LUKASHENKO WON'T RENT HER OWN. EVERYTHING IS DONE AS NEEDED
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 18 August 2020 23: 15
                -3
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                They are the ones who need to hear it.
                LUKASHENKO WON'T RENT HER OWN.

                You, obviously, saw the riots only on TV. Lukashenko is not the Minister of Internal Affairs, the president of the whole country. And for him both the police and the citizens who are opposite the police. But, since the presidency does not shine for you, there is no great damage from your thoughts. You can think as you please. You have the right.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 18 August 2020 23: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Hagen
                  And for him both the police and the citizens who are opposite the police

                  Sorry, but I'm starting to doubt that such unsullied stupidity can exist for free.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  You can think as you please. You have the right.

                  Thank you.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 18 August 2020 23: 26
                    -2
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Sorry, but I'm starting to doubt that such unsullied stupidity can exist for free.

                    You are not a politician, you are forgiven.
  • Charik
    Charik 18 August 2020 09: 54
    15 th
    but about their Russians, someone told this here
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 August 2020 10: 03
      +1
      what do you need to tell about them?)
      1. Charik
        Charik 18 August 2020 10: 13
        15 th
        we have the same-punitive hf
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 August 2020 10: 19
          +6
          and who do they punish and where?) militants in the Caucasus? or bandos during arrests?
          1. Charik
            Charik 18 August 2020 10: 23
            19 th
            no, I just know that the chopovtsy people make disabled people and the gayts kill drunk pedestrians with an electric shock, and they caught the mopedist-they knocked him down to serious harm to his health (though he was drunk and could have killed himself) -and then all the nice-kind-law-abiding in the bodies
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 18 August 2020 10: 35
              +5
              of course there are cases of excess. as there are people without a head. but this is particular. not massive. and it usually causes a lot of hype. my classmate of operas beat a man. very much during interrogation. planted. now came out as a chauffeur working.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 18 August 2020 10: 06
    -6
    Analyzing the past, one question arises: what role do riot police play in revolutions?
    Ukraine. The rallies on the Maidan died down, the number of participants decreased, and everyone was preparing to disperse to their homes to celebrate the New Year.
    And suddenly it was necessary to enroll with clubs the area under the Christmas tree. After that, the number of Maidan has increased sharply, the aggressiveness goes off scale. Power fell because it lost its legitimacy in the eyes of people.
    Belarus. The elections passed, the disaffected took to the streets, and this always happens, they did not destroy anything, they did not beat anyone. They began to be bludgeoned. The second and subsequent days - anger and off-scale aggression, killed and wounded. Power is losing its legitimacy in the eyes of the people; power has not yet fallen, but it is also not viable.
    In both cases, the OMON turns out to be guilty, someone sits down, someone emigrates, someone kneels.
    1 time - an accident, 2 times - a trend.
    Or maybe someone uses riot police for their own selfish purposes? Maybe by giving the setting for excessive cruelty, someone is deciding the issue of power?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 August 2020 10: 20
      +7
      Or maybe just fulfill the requirements of the police? if they say disperse then maybe it is worth fulfilling a legal requirement?
      1. Charik
        Charik 18 August 2020 10: 39
        11 th
        and why is it illegal to stand on the street in a crowd, especially since half of them came just to gawk
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 August 2020 11: 30
          +7
          legal. but you must nevertheless comply with the demands of the police.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 18 August 2020 10: 42
        -4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Or maybe just fulfill the requirements of the police?

        Have you read the Constitution for a long time?
        1. JD1979
          JD1979 18 August 2020 11: 00
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Or maybe just fulfill the requirements of the police?

          Have you read the Constitution for a long time?

          Not this one from the category - but me it is for sho.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 August 2020 11: 31
          +6
          and that there is an article that gives you the right to ignore the legal demands of police officers? do not fulfill them? you always remember your rights but constantly ignore your responsibilities.
          1. Torquemada
            Torquemada 19 August 2020 12: 52
            +1
            You are standing in line at the checkout. A policeman comes up and says "disperse." And why and why he does not explain (did not even introduce himself). Will you disperse?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 19 August 2020 13: 17
              -3
              I'll go away. but I will ask the reason. I am obliged to fulfill, like any other person, I repeat legal requirements. what if there is danger or are we interfering with something?
              1. Torquemada
                Torquemada 19 August 2020 13: 56
                0
                And now, closer to the body, people came to the precinct commissions to find out the results of voting at this particular precinct, in response to "disperse" without really explaining (not everywhere, but it was). Is this a legal action by the authorities? The second option, gave the result and people say "we, people, think that some mistake crept into the counting of our votes, but let's count it", and in response "disperse" (this is more often). If everything is counted correctly, then why are they afraid of recounting, and if the numbers are "drawn", then the riot police must be called.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 19 August 2020 14: 13
                  -1
                  legal. you can appeal it in the manner prescribed by law. let's count, I don't know the rules in Belarus. is it allowed by law? recalculate on demand. is there such a possibility in the election law? I personally have not seen such variations. in any case, the police officer has the full legal right to demand you leave or disperse. In the nineties in Gomel, the police chased cyclists. they were impudent there. violated public order. the circus has an eternal show in the evenings. they only drove everyone on their way; they could even detain them. and no one was outraged.
                  1. Torquemada
                    Torquemada 19 August 2020 17: 03
                    0
                    Yes, there is such a nuance. They can recount at the request of the observers, but in a situation where the observers are subordinate to the chairman of the precinct commission, of course they will not demand anything. In these elections, due to the appeal to the coronavirus (which we vehemently denied), the number of observers was limited to five per polling station. All complaints to the CEC were rejected. Complaints to the territorial commissions too. Arguments for refusals are either absent or like "it seemed to you that everything was fair".
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 17: 10
                      0
                      but where do the claims to the legal requirements of employees come from? Complaints, etc., who is given the right to ignore the request of employees? want a plush police like 404? is this your goal?
              2. gsev
                gsev 19 August 2020 22: 56
                0
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I am obliged to perform like any other person

                In the history of any state and people there are times of lawlessness. At some point, the forces of law and order may try to send their fellow citizens to the crematorium of a concentration camp or for dispossession. In these cases, it is apparently simply criminal in front of your people and in front of your honor to meekly obey such orders.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 20 August 2020 07: 26
                  -1
                  sorry but to disperse is definitely not a comparison with a crematorium.
                  1. gsev
                    gsev 21 August 2020 04: 11
                    0
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    but to disperse is definitely not a comparison with a crematorium.

                    In Belarus, doubts arose about the honesty of the vote count. This problem must be solved either by open recount or by fair re-elections. If this is not done, then the most efficient and active forces will come to power. These will be either the siloviki with an unknown ideology, or pro-Western forces. While Lukashenka's loyalists work in the fields and factories, the disloyal ones are fighting for power. Before dispossession in Russia, the Constituent Assembly also asked to disperse.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 August 2020 10: 09
    -4
    It is not a fact that all the injured servicemen of the internal troops suffered from the demonstrators. Perhaps, with someone they settled scores and "their", fortunately, the situation allowed.

    So it turns out that the victims were among the soldiers of the internal troops? I didn't expect that. How did the peaceful protestors (boys and girls) manage to do this with their hands up? But the protestors found an ingenious solution - the soldiers beat themselves up.
    Maybe they beat UTB to change clothes like soldiers of internal troops? And it's not a fact that the demonstrators suffered from internal troops. Perhaps they were beating themselves - settling scores?
  • alone
    alone 18 August 2020 10: 13
    +8
    I read the article, understood only one thing.

    Lukashenka will no longer be able to govern as he did before ... And the people are also not the same people who always agreed with him. This is already a fact.
    It is impossible to remedy the situation with truncheons, flashbangs, arrests and beatings.
    And fashion 80% has long since sunk into the historical sewer ..
    P.S. We all know how elections are held and how percentages are drawn.
    What prevented Lukashenka from drawing 52-55 percent for himself? If it had been done, nothing like this would have happened .. Those who have been in power for 20-30 years have one thing in common .. they always give 75-80% each .. they don’t agree for less. And then they are surprised, in the cabin of the plane, after they are thrown out of the presidential chair at the cost of great sacrifices.
    P.S.S. Soros and others like him muddy the water where there is soil. Open or closed. They are professionals in their field and don’t throw money down the drain. And those in power, by their actions in office, contribute to the brewing of discontent in society.
    1. gsev
      gsev 19 August 2020 23: 08
      -2
      Quote: lonely
      What prevented Lukashenka from drawing 52-55 percent for himself?

      And what prevented Lukashenko from retirement in his prime? What is the point of a politician holding on to power before the onset of senile dementia? The society should develop traditions of a calm change of figures in politics without strain and emotions. If Brezhnev had retired in 1974, the country would apparently not have lost anything. Lukashenka's time has also passed. If he wants to keep a good memory of himself, he needs to hold fair elections, allowing all influential groups to participate. For Belarus, now the greatest danger is that external forces, taking advantage of civil confrontation, will bring their puppets to power. This is what the protesters and security officials and Lukashenka and his family should be concerned about. In Great Britain, Churchill changed the politician about whom they talked. "An empty taxi drove up to Parliament and Attlee got out." This is probably why scientists were rarely repressed there, like only Bacon and Turing.
      1. alone
        alone 21 August 2020 11: 09
        -1
        Quote: gsev
        what prevented Lukashenka from retirement in his prime?

        What disturbs the rest, who have been in power for 20-30 years ... paranoid schizophrenia .. a normal person cannot enjoy the fact that he has been sitting on the throne for decades. hi
        Quote: gsev
        society should develop a tradition of a calm change of figures in politics without strain and emotions.

        Absolutely agree. 2 terms of 4 years is a maximum ... then the cost of a tablecloth ..
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 August 2020 10: 14
    10 th
    We have a duelist guardsman in Russia, he is not far from Karaev.
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 18 August 2020 11: 39
      0
      Don't confuse a locksmith-bodyguard with a professional.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 18 August 2020 11: 46
        -3
        You are far from them anyway
  • Dedok
    Dedok 18 August 2020 10: 17
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    Sun Tzu is the true author of Western methodological books.
    Our contemporaries did not bring anything new.


    Oh well...
    but what about the salary (or whatever they have) that they receive?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 August 2020 10: 38
    10
    Hmm, inhuman punitive organs ... Odessa is immediately remembered, when children with angelic smiles, prepared Molotov cocktails, and not punitive organs, silently watched and allowed people to be burned ...
    It is not a fact that all the injured servicemen of the internal troops suffered from the demonstrators. Perhaps, with someone they settled scores and "their", fortunately, the situation allowed.
    ..The non-commissioned officer's widow, whipped herself ...
  • fif21
    fif21 18 August 2020 10: 38
    -3
    Unfortunately, there was no such minister in the USSR, and Russia was thrown like a rag under the feet of the mattress mats.
    An army with people, yes! But not with rioters and revolutionaries, even peaceful ones. soldier
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 18 August 2020 10: 39
    +7
    What is this propaganda on VO? Yes, and half filled with delirium ??? belay
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 18 August 2020 11: 13
    +4
    When did they start to forcibly disperse the protestors? That's right, after being asked to disperse on a voluntary basis. But the demands of the security forces were not met. And this is disobedience to requirements, that is, violation of the law. Therefore, they were forced to adopt force ...
    The protestors, whether they were law-abiding, had to disperse and file a lawsuit against the unreasonable demands of the OMON. But the puppeteers need a tragedy .. To shout about "atrocities" on the bruises and bumps of the duped ones ... But in fact, the riot police acted according to the instructions that are drummed into them in training: batons and rubber spikes .. And I think there are more fakes about about the bruises ... Remember how the gamers screamed about the dispersal of the gathering on Bolotnaya Square ...
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 18 August 2020 16: 22
      -3
      Once again, they began to accept "at the polling stations ... the voters came to gawk at the results, which is not prohibited by the law ...
    2. Torquemada
      Torquemada 19 August 2020 12: 56
      0
      Once again, BEFORE they began to disperse, people were not "protesters", people came to look at the election results of those polling stations where they voted (is this prohibited by law?), But when they were told: on TV you will find out the overall result for the country. " Well, how would, on what basis is such a requirement?
  • Captan78
    Captan78 18 August 2020 11: 17
    +8
    As I understand it, Mr. Zakharov or the one who is hiding under this name had something to do with the internal troops, but what he writes about is sheer heresy. I know Karaev for a very long time, I served under his command - he is a real commander, and the one who wrote this crap, apparently offended by the authorities and once dismissed serviceman ... Although traitors were always ready to throw mud at anyone for money
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 18 August 2020 11: 29
      +3
      Apparently, they were fired for scribbling denunciations.
    2. andranick
      andranick 18 August 2020 13: 20
      +3
      It was just a blow to the subunit that strictly followed the order, or rather, an attempt to denigrate the commander in order to discredit him and remove him from office. Much depends on the firmness and decisiveness of the commander. Perhaps the elimination of Karaev is seen as a step in reducing the unit's combat effectiveness.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 18 August 2020 11: 30
    +1
    Quote: JD1979
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

    This is who deserves to be the president of Belarus! He will not give up his country, to insult the western singers!

    Take it to your place, just buy Vaseline and bruise remedies. And forget about complaints about the police, there will be no military prosecutor's office.

    They took it from Ukraine and take it away from you, if there is such a situation. Don't worry, there is enough Vaseline.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 18 August 2020 11: 33
    +1
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages - "dehumanization"law enforcement ...

    While it is said "А"but there will be"Б" yes

    Exactly. Unfortunately, the population is successfully used for their own purposes, it practically does not depend on the country. Although the information on the Internet about the color revolution is full. But apparently humanity will forever walk on a rake, with hope, but for me everything will be different.
  • Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 18 August 2020 11: 35
    0
    Drakov is taught only with a club.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 18 August 2020 11: 38
    +1
    Quote: JD1979
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Oh, what was that?

    Implementation of the "color revolution" technology. One of the stages - "dehumanization"law enforcement ...

    While it is said "А"but there will be"Б" yes

    How convenient it is now to cut down one's stupidity, incompetence and tyranny, which have led to legitimate indignation in society on the technology of the "color revolution". Isn't it funny yourself? Are you not afraid that one day you will also be colored?

    Personally, I am not afraid, and I brought up thinking and knowledgeable children who will not go to the barricades and know why there is no need to go there.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 18 August 2020 11: 39
    +7
    The article says that "disgusting, but pleasant to the heart." A hare-hearted one who is ready to bury his own country for EU panties. The next move will be to call on the BB-shniks to repent and kneel down.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 18 August 2020 11: 46
    -8
    Quote: Blue Fox
    I will answer this article with such a comment. I have a friend, we are engaged in search and local history activities together, he is older than me and served in his time in the SA. In the construction battalion. So he described well one case when, already being demobilized, he and his comrades somehow began to argue, and if such a situation developed that they were ordered to shoot at a civilian crowd? And then unanimously they came to the conclusion that yes, it would be difficult morally, but if they poured 100 grams, they would shoot. It's simple, by the end of the second year of service they were already one whole, a soldier's collective, and their psychology really was simple and complex at the same time - here "we", and there "they".
    And I think this is correct for any military collective, otherwise there is no other way. The army stands on this. But then the role of commanders and those who give orders looms.

    That is, you justify the atrocities of the Nazis in the Second World War and now? It seems to me that this is subject to destruction, it does not matter the SS or native Belarus!
  • iouris
    iouris 18 August 2020 11: 47
    +8
    Yes, why are the police given out truncheons? We must disarm. The police should behave like in the States or in France. And how does she behave there during the color revolutions?
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 18 August 2020 14: 44
    +1
    Boil in vain. But father is on his mind.

    .Alexander Lukashenko signed a decree on awarding three hundred representatives of law enforcement agencies with a medal "For Impeccable Service" of three degrees. The list of awardees is the deputy commander of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus Khazalbek Atabekov.

    This document was published on Tuesday, August 18, on the official portal of legal information of the Republic of Belarus, but it was signed a week earlier - on August 13.

    The website explains that the award is the result of "exemplary performance of duties".
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 18 August 2020 15: 15
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Boil in vain. But father is on his mind.

      .Alexander Lukashenko signed a decree on awarding three hundred representatives of law enforcement agencies with a medal "For Impeccable Service" of three degrees. The list of awardees is the deputy commander of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus Khazalbek Atabekov.

      This document was published on Tuesday, August 18, on the official portal of legal information of the Republic of Belarus, but it was signed a week earlier - on August 13.

      The website explains that the award is the result of "exemplary performance of duties".

      You know my attitude to the events, to the Fuehrer, but this comment on Tut.Bay is not on time and, not to the village and not to the city. Yes, the decree was signed, but this is not connected with the latest events. There were presentations three months ago and six months.
      Those. this is an ordinary formality, so to speak, a question about the procedure
      And all this is called "add fuel to the fire"
    2. iouris
      iouris 18 August 2020 15: 41
      0
      The ZBS medal is awarded to a serviceman for length of service (in the USSR for 10, 20 and 25). The last medal was called "coffin", because it was followed by "demobilization", and a soldier "lives seven years before school and three years after dismissal."
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 18 August 2020 15: 07
    0
    Born in Ordzhenikidze in 1966, graduated from the VVKU of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Samara
    True Belarus ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 August 2020 12: 30
      0
      Quote: Skalendarka
      True Belarus ...

      This is superfluous confirms that I, we are Belarusians, i.e. "Russians".
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 August 2020 17: 41
    +2
    The scribe probably did not serve. Why do you need VVVV in order to give off a toe to someone who raises a hand on the authorities or representatives of the authorities. Say thanks to YA Karaev that he did not bring the unit to the streets in combat in full gear. And the order will be displayed, I have no doubt. A good characterization was given to the general by an ideological enemy.
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 18 August 2020 17: 58
    -2
    How did the creation of monsters take place?

    Yes, just like here in Russia. There is practically no difference.
    Here is a photo with our conscript. The result of brainwashing and washing out the remnants of the intellect is obvious.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 18 August 2020 21: 20
      +3
      Indeed, what right does the conscript have to beat the "on-fox" who peacefully exercises his right to throw bottles with "Molotov cocktails", bricks, fittings at the conscript? Children need to be protected, not protected from them, let them frolic, stupid animals. This is for the glory of democracy
  • Ingvar7401
    Ingvar7401 18 August 2020 19: 12
    -2
    Quote: JD1979
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Who are you, Mr. Karaev?

    This is who deserves to be the president of Belarus! He will not give up his country, to insult the western singers!

    Take it to your place, just buy Vaseline and bruise remedies. And forget about complaints about the police, there will be no military prosecutor's office.

    And nefig to climb where it is not necessary. Ruin drop dead graft
    1. Torquemada
      Torquemada 19 August 2020 12: 58
      0
      YES! Let's only walk wherever possible !! The problem is that the sacred knowledge "where it is possible and where it is not" is in the head of the policeman who just came up to you.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 18 August 2020 19: 32
    0
    Anarchy is the mother of order!
    The essence of the article.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 18 August 2020 19: 53
    +3
    As it is very reminiscent ... the children were beaten "Zvirache beating children"
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 18 August 2020 20: 51
    -6
    Gestapo man who else is he
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 August 2020 21: 17
    +6
    What a horror ... The committee of nulliparous mothers was shut up, tolerasts were pinned down, they explained to the soldiers that the law is higher than the screams of galloping degenerates ... A nightmare ... How scary to live ...
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  • bbss
    bbss 18 August 2020 23: 33
    +3
    I don’t believe it. I don’t believe a word. And the author is a specific provocateur. More precisely the enemy.
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 19 August 2020 01: 24
    -2
    Continuation of the Belarusian blockbuster in Russia this fall
  • Igor sanych
    Igor sanych 19 August 2020 09: 38
    0
    Well - well, but it was necessary to cover them with a blanket and give them hot tea?)
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 19 August 2020 14: 28
    0
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    who peacefully exercises his right to throw bottles with Molotov cocktails, bricks and fittings at the conscript.

    Vyi missed "onizhedeti" peacefully throw stones and bottles only with their hands up.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 19 August 2020 19: 31
    0
    Falling down, what nonsense! author, take 100 grams, oholonis!
  • phair
    phair 22 August 2020 08: 47
    0
    In Vladivostok, the same did not stand on ceremony in 2008 November-December. But the locals (except for the OMON Kazansky Most) behaved tolerantly. Personally, no one touched me with a finger, unlike the guys with Japanese flags. I also blocked the Nekrasovsky overpass with korefan. If you are adequate, do not wave your arms and are ready for dialogue, cops are not borzels. And this was the riot police of the Khabarovsk prison. In green peeled motorcycle helmets. It is necessary to be calmer with the servicemen.